Vince Steps Down

T two point oh coming up next week. We're gonna have some matches and ros Monday. I think Triple Mania's coming up. Jeff Hardy he oh yeah. Vince is stepped down as the chairman and CEO of w w E, to be replaced by Stephanie McMann. I can't even say it with a straight face. Oh my god, bro, if this guy could write storylines like the real life storylines going on right now, Holy smokes. So you guys I haven't heard, which I'm sure you have allegations against Vince McMahon.

Vince McMahon stepping down, Stephanie McMahon took a leave of absence, and then, as we've been talking about, in a totally bizarre turn of events, she stepped down. They started hiring people to do her job. And then the first they went privately, We're telling people that Stephanie sucked at her job. They buried her privately, and then they actually there was a public story where they talked about how Stephanie wasn't

good at her job. They buried her. And now she is back as the new chairman and CEO of w w E, and Vince McMahon and his canna continue doing his job. The exception of his chairman and ceo. Dude, he's still he's still writing all the shows and everything, still tearing up scripts, brother, and he's going to appear on SmackDown tonight. And there's a lot that's been said about this, but we'll tell you about it and more after the break. Dave Meltzer joins us in the second segment,

simp for vv coming up next Observer Live. Back in the show, bright Over is here Wrestling Observer Live. Mike simp for VIV also Wrestling Observer dot Com. I missed the Eagles for this today, Well I'm back, good Paul for today. In the latest development and one of wrestling's biggest stories. I'll say Vince McMahon has voluntarily stepped down as w w E chairman and CEO while the company's Special Committee of the board investigates alleged misconduct. Stephanie McMahon

was named interim CEO and chairwoman until the investigation concludes. However, Vince mcman quote will retain his role and responsibilities related to w w e's creative content during this period and remains committed to cooperating with the review under way. Stephanie tweeted she will be returning from her leave of absence assuming the role of interim chairman and CEO. I love

our company, Excited to work with Nick kN Etcetera. On Wednesday, The Wall Street Journal revealed the board was investigating Vince mcmanon every three million dollar hushpack with the former employee from which he allegedly had a relationship with, in addition to other potential nondisclosure agreements. They announced they were a special committee had been created to investigate these allegations into alleged misconduct by Vince and John Laura, nita's head of

talent relations. By the way, as of today, nothing on on John Laura Nitis nothing zero ziltra, meaning he hasn't been fired. Trying to forget what that means. The Special Committee's appointed Stephanie to serve his interim CEO and interim chair woman. So then we find out today that Vince is going to be on SmackDown tonight. Now a lot a lot has been said about Vince McMahon appearing on SmackDown tonight. The release from w w E referred to him as Mr McMahon, which of course is his character.

I believe it might have been MSNBC or something had reported that he would be doing a quote in character interview on the show tonight. Obviously everybody is expecting he's going to come out in front of the crowd. I think you would be much wiser for him to do a pre tape because I've seen live Vince McMahon and it would be a much better idea for him to do a pre tape. But listen, when SmackDown airs will find out what happened. Until then, it's Vince, dude, he

can change his mind. It's it is the idea of Vince McMahon coming out in character to do a segment live on SmackDown tonight is a level of madness that I cannot even begin to comprehend. I would presume, and I shouldn't presume this because the guy is like he's nuts, but I would presume that you should just do a pre tape deal and say, basically what they said in the press release, I am stepping down. You know, I respect the board. Whatever they determine is whatever they determined.

Enjoy the show tonight, him coming out live doing his strut, having all of the fans at some of the other day go oh, no, matter what happens, Vince can never appear in front of the fans again. I was like, what planet do you live on? This dude comes out Strutton tonight, They're all gonna go like this, They're all gonna cheer. You all know this. So we'll see what

happens here tonight. But as far as like what all of this means, I mean, Vince, He's he's stepping down, but still doing everything that he was doing on a daily basis. He's still writing the shows, he's still tearing up scripts. It is beyond fascinating that Stephanie McMahon took her quote leave of absence. They buried her first privately and then later publicly, and now here she is back as the new chairwoman and CEO of w w E. You can't write stuff this good, and why they buried her,

How all of this ties? And I know everyone has a thousand theories and we don't know anything. Okay, we don't know anything. You can come up with any conspiracy theory that you want. The only other thing that I will say, the only other thing that I will say, is that they have made it clear that there have been other non disclosure agreements. And they mentioned Vince McMahon and they mentioned John Laurainitis. Okay, the investigation is ongoing.

The big question and the next hammer that could fall is if there are other non disclosure agreements involving other people. And I'm not saying that there are, but I am saying that I wouldn't be surprised nor honestly, is this like something that anybody listening to this will probably be surprised by. But this investigation is ongoing, and I expect that there will be more that will come out, and I think that when that happens and we can talk

about it. But until then, there's a lot of speculation. You know, fans have been asking a lot of questions. I apologize for the other night on Observer Radio when I got very angry because some one of the questions was, where will everything be in a year? Bro, Dude, Wednesday night, Where will everything be in a year? Dude? Nobody, nobody would have predicted in two days Stephanie McMahon was going to be the chairwoman and the CEO of w w E nobody. So I can sit here and I could say, well,

maybe this and maybe that and that and that. Bro, we don't know nothing other than what has come out. If you want to ask, like, you know what, what if the wrestler has been told The wrestler have been told virtually nothing. The wrestlers know what you know right now. They haven't given him any other whatever. Pat McAfee, I think did a thing today. He's totally in the dark. It's a shoot. Everybody's in the dark. Nobody knows anything. So uh yeah, that's that the update as of right now.

For those guys who want to breaking news audio, I mean, there's nothing to break except what's out. Everything else is speculation. You know, why was Stephanie buried? I don't know. There's a lot we don't know, So I think a better

question is kind of who you know? And because Claudine Lillian was leaving around the same time, and they were very unhappy obviously with her perform and she had only been there what a year, and she kind of fell into some of the things that Stephanie was doing as far as merchandizing and branding and content pushing and all that sort of stuff. So probably something I'll last Dave because that's interesting to me. Was it somebody from the board? Obviously?

Because who sent this email? No? Not, no, not who sent the email? Who actually was doing the bearing of Stephanie McMahon, Because I mean, I know, but I mean, it's not like, well, who is it? It's not somebody that I mean, I know everyone's gonna be really mad at me, but it's not my thing. It's my place to say this. Is it somebody on the board? Is it somebody? I don't believe it was somebody on the board, but that's and listen, that's only the one that I

heard about. I don't know who they had. I know that they were getting the word out privately first that she sucked at her job. Well, then the story came out where they publicly said that she sucked at her job, but I don't know they said it was. They said it a lot softer than that. And that's why be in the fact that Vince or nobody pushed back at all once that business insider thing came out at the

beginning of the month. You know, That's why I was curious as to to who it was, because obviously it feels like it was Rubbert stamped, obviously by Vince, but I was wondering if it came from the board, if it came from who it actually came from, and how heavy was that burial behind the scenes, because obviously see

where she's at today. You could you could ask Andrew Zerra and he's talked about it a lot, and he he was was directly told, and uh, you know, I'm not sure, and I think it's pretty clear actually with Stephanie in charge right now, I don't think that one had anything to do with the other. These are two separate stories that are now connected in a completely bizarre way.

The best theory that I've heard, which you know, I think it's nuts, but the best theory that i've heard is Stephanie was going to step away, and they were concerned that news of her departure would cause like this big you know, stock stock or stock crash, and so so the the idea was, well, if we bury her and say she sucked and that we're replacing her with people who are better than the stock, won't take. And honestly,

that's like the best theory that I've heard. But even that, it's like, well, then you'd have to like clear this with Stephanie. Stephanie, listen, we're concerned about the stock falling, and so we want to publicly tell everyone that you suck. Are you okay with that? Which, you know, given how much money she has tied up in stock, she might be like, yeah, save my stock, but it just seems ridiculous.

But but that's why I was wondering who actually said it, because then we have a situation where now she's also now back as the figurehead face of the company right now while Vince quote unquote steps aside here And it was amazing at seven o'clock Eastern time this morning to start getting text about w W E his released press release, and then they follow it up with Vince going to be on TV tonight. Amazing. Well, let's talk to Dave

about it after the break. Observer Live by the show by Newber is here Wrestling Observer Live, Mike Zimber, Viv Dave Meltzer, who will be on CNN to Pacific five Eastern today talking about this story. And if you're a subscriber to Wrestling Observer at dot com, David Getter are gonna be up tonight with tons more. So we obviously can't cover everything here, but subscribers can check that out

later on tonight and Dave. Vince is stepped down as chairman and CEO, replaced by Stephanie McMahon and Vince appearing on SmackDown tonight in some form or fashion. What do we know? What do you know? Well? I mean, I think it's I think it's a cosmetic change. I mean,

the fact that he's still running creative. I think, you know, this is this is just a repeat of what happened when he was in trouble decades ago and when all of a sudden was president and uh, you know, so it's like that's kind of how he does things when this type of stuff happened. So I don't really I mean It's gotten a lot of headlines, but I don't know that it's significant. The fact that it's Stephanie tells me also that it's a cosmetic change, because you know,

she was gone. It is surprised though they went from burying her two weeks ago or a week and a half ago to making her CEO. It's a crazy world that we live in. It sure is a crazy world do we live in? So? Uh? Um? Yes, Stephanie McMahon, who was privately and publicly buried as being bad at her job, I mean, what how do you do you just if people ask explained that, well, she was bad at that job, but she'll do excellent at this job. Well, I don't think anyone you know, again, Vince is running

the company. I don't think that, um, and Stephanie is. You know, it's like it's like, uh, when you know, if somebody else was put in the interim CEO position, I would take it seriously. And it's not that I don't take Stephanie seriously, because obviously I do. But I think this is very clearly, Um, you know, it's very clearly Vince is still running the company. But they're looking

like they're trying to make changes. But you know, I mean the interesting thing is is that going forward, Um, you know how this story you know, eventually turns out. That's the really interesting one, you know. And again Stephanie has made interim CEO. That's very you know, that wording alone kind of tells you that it's like the idea is is that it's just because there is an investigation

going on. They um, you know with the Board of directors that Vince probably shouldn't be the head of the Board of directors while an investigation by the Board of Directors is going on. So I think that's the thing. And the fact that Stephanie got it tells you that Vince is still in control. Now. The other the other question is that this story comes out, Vince steps down today and I've heard nothing about John Laura Nitas. Is he just showing up and SmackDown and doing his job?

And I mean, I don't know if he's in Minneapolis or not. Um, that is was the big question like this morning that everybody had was Okay, we know Vince's coming, is John Laura Nita is coming and um, I have not heard yet if he's there. So there's Vince. This Evince appearance tonight. We've heard a lot of different things. Uh, the w w E their own announcement said that he would be there live, which of course sounds like he will be in front of the crowd. I think he

would be a horrible idea. I think MSNBC was claiming it would be quote in character that would be horrible idea sounds even worse. So, I mean, we're not gonna know until the show goes in the air exactly what he's going to do. But you know, I personally when I heard he was gonna be on the show was and I'm anticipating, Like the show opens with a short video statement basically saying what they said in the press release, he can't possibly be thinking of doing something, but they

announced him as Mr McMahon. That was He made very certain to say that, including a strong picture of him up there. So, yeah, it's a it's amazing. I mean it feels it feels to me like it's a ratings ploy as opposed to yeah, as opposed to like some explanation, So as a ratings ploy, they're going to do something to try and build you know, ratings and and stuff off of this. In some way. Uh so that makes it. Um, I mean, I I don't want to say I give him credit, but it is something to show. I mean,

it does show how desperate they are for ratings. And they've always been that that they would take a situation like this and and try to twist it for ratings. I mean, because that is there, that is totally Vince's wheelhouse. Well look, we've seen examples of that for decades too. Yeah, of course it's not a surprise now this. I mean, we again will not know until SmackDown is over. But you know, there's been a lot of talk about we

do have a Riddle match with Roman reigns tonight. Randy Orton maybe out for a while, so he may be off the books for the summer. Obviously, they're gonna want to have people talking about something else. I mean, it seems like a nothing part of the story. But is it possible Riddle actually wins that title tonight to try to shift you know? I mean it was it was like I'd say no yesterday, but today, sure, I mean I could I could see that. Um. I mean, I'm

sure all plans that they had before are out the window. Um. And yeah, I'm sure I I, you know, I don't know, but it would it be possible. Yeah, I could see it being possible, you know, trying to especially with the mentality that we will probably have more people watching this show than ever before. They were going to do a big angle tonight anyway, so they may do a different big angle tonight. Tell everybody the history of the last time Vince uh quote is stepped down, but actually I

mean he was replaced, but it meant nothing. Well, Linda McMahon was president of the company when uh, you know, Vince Vince was indicted, you know, on charges that he doesn't even remember anymore, and um, you know, went to trial and everything like that. So um, but eventually, of course, you know, I was back running things and had all

the same title. Actually took years. Linda was on paper president for many many years, you know, even after Vince was acquitted in the trial in the steroid distribution trial. Um steroid conspiracy trial is actually the better term for it. But so yeah, I mean that's it's again the m O. I mean, Linda is not coming back to be CEO, So Stephanie's the one. So there you go. It's it's

the It's basically a repeat, you know. The the the crux of this, this issue seems to be the amount of money that this person was paid originally, which was a hundred thousand dollars a year, and then being bumped to two hundred thousand dollars a year allegedly as a result of this, uh, this affair with Vince. Yeah, so that that's a that's a that's a real smoking gun. That's you know, like that's the one if something's gonna

get him, that's the one that's going to get him. Now, the impression that I was was given is that the job that she was doing, uh, it is rare to make a hundred thousand dollars a year, and it is exceedingly rare to make two hundred thousand dollars a year. I mean, if you look at the the structure of of w w E and what other people are making. I mean, would this be unusual in w w E to pay someone even a hundred thousand dollars for the

hundred is not unusual at all. The hundred's probably about right. The two hundreds unusual, yes, okay, so, but it wouldn't be out of the ordinary for uh, someone who somewhere else might only make sixty thousand a year in w w E to do that job. It would not be unusual to perhaps and make hunter thou dollars a year, you know, the hundred thousands not unusual at all for the for the position she was hired in. The two hundred um would be on the high end for sure. Yes, yes,

which it was different position. She was John Moore Knight's assistant, but two d will be pretty high for that for that position. Yeah, what have you heard? Matter? Yes? Would it matter if she got that raise while she was being moved to johnny AS's position, because obviously there's a claim coming from that email that she was quote passed like a toy, which, again, depending on how sinister that line really is. You know, what is that line that that?

What does that mean? And it's like, we know, were you transferred with a raise with the expectation of something where you you know, that's the timing of the raise? Well, that actually matter. I think the timing of the raise matters a whole hell lot. Yes, especially since it was in in um I believe it was in April one, which was at the same time they were cutting cost left and right. UM. Not that, you know, not that

somebody doesn't get it raised. But then again, didn't they didn't they go through that period where all races were frozen and that, but that they did have Yeah, they didn't have that that period, but yeah, and I don't know if that's April or not. I have to remember my my my concern with the whole thing is that, you know, it's basically going to come down to you, can you prove that the raise was given because of the sexual relationship, because you know, if it's if they argue,

we just gave her a raise. We give people raises all the time, wondering, yeah, but if there is a sexual relationship and she had the raise, even if you try to justify it and saying she was got the raise anyway, there's no way that that's a terrible, terrible look. That's that's that's the one. When I read it, it's like, um, you know, and then look, they're gonna do everything they can to try to do exactly what you said, but

that's just a terrible look. And has there been anything from mcdivott over the last couple of days, because usually he's on top of things. I have not heard from Jay mcdivott since this thing started, which would be in a situation like this highly unusual. Yes, not people, but unusual. A lot of people have you know, speculated on you know, lots of different things in fantasy book the McMahon's out of the picture, Evince, what if they taken over from

all that stuff? I mean, have you actually had what what does happen though? If that's what I'm wondering, Have you even had time to think about the fact that there's been a McMahon promoting in Rings sports since like nineteen fift and what actually then happens after that? You know, when it comes to if Stephanie is gone, you know, then that might end? Yeah, you know that, because here's

the thing. If they if if Vince gets forced out, at what point do other people on that board who don't have as much of an interest in this and looking at it from a financial they go, I want to push all these McMahon's out. We've got to move this thing forward. And then again, I know they have all that voting stock and there's a lot of things

that would need to drop and happen. But if they're able to actually then physically force out of Vince out of that picture that would eventually force everybody out, would it not? Um? It could it could? Um, But I mean, like the only one we're talking about, Stephanie. It's like um and the Factor and the Hunter. He's never gonna be like when he's still on the board too. But on the board, yeah, at least for now his position, his position becomes interesting too. You know, I don't consider him.

I mean, I guess he's a member of the McMahon family. Um, he doesn't have the last name mcmanh. But yeah, I mean, I you know, he's he's lost a lot of power in the last year, and he's got a health issue. I don't you know, um yet, Well, Dave, Actually I hate to say this. We gotta we gotta go. We gotta head to break back in a moment. Everybody will plug the Observer after the break Observer Live back in the show. Bran Elber is here Wrestling Observer Live. Mike

ximbur Bby also Wrestling Observer dot com. If you have questions, text me four to five seven eight zero seven five six six and there's four to five seven eight zero seven five six six think before texting. And two things I want to uh mentioned because it had been brought up in the chat number one, that Kevin Dunne insider trading thing. That story whatever it was, was already retracted.

And even before it was retracted, you know, people were saying, oh, man, Kevin Dune sold a lot of stock, like right before this broke, Like could listen if you follow the stock Uh you know who sells and etcetera. W W because that stuff is all public. Kevin Dunne sells all the time, all the time. So nothing to that story. And then the other thing I want to mention was I think you were asking Dave about like what happens if Vince's ousted? And uh, I'm not saying that Vince will not be ousted.

I don't know, because I think I would not have said Wednesday, Stephanie was going to be in charge. But I will say this that that press release and this decision and the way that it was worded in the press release. You know, and I know and all of our wonderful listeners here who are who are a wrestling fans? Who have you know you've watched w W E and we have a very intelligent fan base. You guys have

seen wrestling all over the world. You've seen different promotions, you have seen promotions in different eras, and I think we all know that you can run pro wrestling and you can run a successful pro wresting organization without Vince McMahon in charge. Okay, but but the people that don't follow wrestling very closely, the people that don't follow history, don't know about you know a lot about a w New Japan whatever. They are very it's like it's Vince

or nothing like Vince. If Vince has gone this, this stock is just gonna fall off a cliff because nobody can do wrestling except Vince McMahon. There is very much that that feeling amongst people that you know, don't really follow this closely. And so when they sent out that press release and they were like, he's stepping down as chairman and CEO, but don't worry, he's still gonna be

doing creative. He's still gonna be the guy. It's very clear that they felt that they needed to do something, but they want you to know Vince McMahon is still gonna be the brains behind this old w w E thing right here. So that tells me that like they are gonna they are gonna do anything that they can to make sure that Vince is not ousted, at least as the head of creative because I think they feel that it's not going to affect the stock in a hugely negative way to have him stepped down from that

role and put another mcamahon in the role. And he's

still doing everything he was doing before. But I think they are very concerned about the idea of Vince McMahon is no longer involved in this company in any way, and I think they're gonna do everything they can to avoid having to say that, Yeah, well, you know, as the pendulum swings and Vince gets older and we look at what Nick con has done for this company, and that maybe starts to become a talking point with those in w w E who obviously, look, I'm not saying

that Nick Con is like trying to push Vince out or anything, but when you look at the deals that ww has, it's because of what n't it con negotiated for him and he can be in charge now. And I as as time goes on again, as time goes on, it is becoming a lot of people, it's becoming a lot easier to believe that that company, you know, and you start looking at it's like, can it go on without a McMahon there, And it's like it's going to

at some point it's probably going to have to. And from a corporate point of view, you know, with the Nick cons with people like that, it's it's interesting to see the way things are going to go and if this accelerates anything at all, you know, internally, and and there's a long way to go when it comes to this whole case anyway, And I'm sure the Wall Street Journal is gonna have more about it, and we'll have

to see what the independent investigation isn't everything. And you know, I said yesterday, I think Vince, the way things look on the surface, is going to probably beat this out. I'm not so sure about Johnny Ace, who you know, from the time he got back there there were feelings and you know, we'll see how many of those feelings have to do with past relationships once these NDAs come out, and that's you know, they're u fourinately, what's getting forgotten

about in this too? Are people trying to now docks this woman you know who is has signed this nd A and who again you know, how she feels about this and and all that and anybody else that's now going to have to suffer with this as news of these nd as Again, if things worst things start leaking out from this board investigation, you know, people are going to take it upon themselves to try to find out who these people were. And it's just it's unfortunate for

them the person. He says, I just wanted to remind you of my text from yesterday about Jeff Jarrett potentially taking over Creative Evince really had to go away, and hey, listen, I mean Bruce Pritchard is, Uh, he's had a lot of health issues and I think they said he just underwent emergency surgery and I don't know if that's related because he had a shoulder issue as well, and uh, he was gonna have surgery for that. I'm not sure

if this is the same or different. I would think that if you if you knew that you had a shoulder problem and you knew that you were gonna have surgery for it, you wouldn't have any emergency surgery. So it could be something different, but one way the other. I mean, I don't think it's gonna be him, you know, Triple H. I don't think it's gonna be him, and uh, you know you are starting to fall down towards uh,

towards the Jeff Jarrett. I would obviously, you know, choose Paul Hayman before Jeff Jared, but I don't know what depends that this would break down and happen. And you know, I want to mention something else because this also was mentioned a lot on the board about about Hunter and uh, oh, well, you know he can't wrestle anymore, but somebody actually used the term like, you know, he could do normal person stuff, and it's like, wait, what w w E is normal

person stuff? Are you where have you been? Dude? There's not one person. I bet you anything. I bet you couldn't find one person of the five hundred employees and two hundred wrestlers or whatever. You couldn't find one person working for w w E who would say I live

a normal life. This is a normal job. So no, this is not a normal person thing for Triple H to do creative for w W I do not think wait a second, it also comes from the top down though, And you know that Vince doesn't sleep and that's how he hasn't lived his life and you know, maybe Hunter has been thinking, Okay, well that's true, but you're still want to stay in this business. I'm in this position

right now. How can I temper this thing? You're you're correct that Vince is runs in insane crazy ship, But there are there's five hours of life TV every week. I mean, a normal person is gonna be easy. But I'm saying, but like Tony kan does four hours of TV every week to con spokes, if that guy had a hard issue, oh it would be bad. That guy runs around like a chicken with his head cut off. Ryan. I mean to be fair, though, like Dusty Rhodes had six hours in like seven, Like, I mean, that's your

Rhodes didn't have a severe heart issue. That's my point. Nobody had. Yes, he had Bell's palsy, which is brought on by stress, as we saw with Jim Ross who ended up getting it twice. So actually he was going through that at the time he was doing these things. I'm not saying that not a job for Triple H with a bad heart. It's not you're You're right, You're

right about that. Maybe maybe, but like you can also do things without stressing yourself to the point of insanity, and god knows, we don't know what his real medical condition is right now, we don't know how healthy he is, and frankly, we also don't know what he really wants. He's obviously still involved there in a stressful position, because

just doing anything in w W is stressful. Although that's that's completely and here's a completely other left turn on that is w W E for Right and for Wrong has been able to function in the way that it has and achieved the successes that it's had because they have such an iron claw insane person at the top

of it. Once Vince actually goes, it is going to be interesting to see how people react, how the company reacts, you know, and just in general, what the feeling is going to be, because you know, once you have that demon out, who's got holding everything down, who in some ways that's a real negative, but in some ways, to run a successful business, it can be a positive. That change from Vince to anyone, anyone is really actually going to be whenever it happens, however it happens, is going

to be fascinating. And he updates on Sasha and her possibly being released. No update, I presume if it's in the works. When it happens, it will happen, and until then there is no update. Quick look at the other stories here today. As I mentioned on the Brian and Viney show last night, So here is the story involving uh, the ladder match on Wednesday. So I was told that the at Ease originally we're going to win this ladder match and become the a W Tag Team champions. And

this idea dated back a while. Okay, then when they had the match with the Young Bucks at the pay per view, Jeff had a bad day and when when the match was over, ah, it was kind of determined. Dude, these guys ain't gonna take team title run. Jeff is

a is a total mess. And so when Jeff got pulled over with his point to eight or whatever it was, and he explained that he was on his way to a brain scan, he was on his way to a brain scan, because they examined Jeff Hardy afterwards, and uh, you know, Jeff later claimed he didn't remember any of the match, and then I believe it came out that he had he had had double vision, and apparently he'd had it for a while and he didn't tell anybody and this is dating back before a w this like

issues he was having in w W E. So when they heard that, they were like, this guy's got to get a brain scan. And so once they determined that he was going to get a brain scan, he was no longer going to even be in the ladder match, much less win the titles. And so one of the ideas they discussed was, you know, the heart ease during their entrance, they get jumped and uh, and they're taken out of the match, and it's going to be the uh Jurassic Express versus the Young Bucks, and the Young

Bucks end up winning the tag team titles. So that obviously didn't happen either because Jeff got a d u I and then he was off the show. Now I had a bunch of people going, so you're telling me they were gonna false advertise, they were gonna advertise them for the match, and then they wouldn't be in the match. Yes, that's what I'm saying. And in fact, in fact, if you don't go on on social media, they actually I mean they didn't false advertise because they did announce it

on social media. But if you only watch the television show, they on Friday, We're uh, I think it was Friday, for sure, it was Wednesday. They had advertised a three way ladder match, and on Wednesday on TV they just did a tag team ladder match. They never told you why the Hardies were not in the match. They never told you what happened to Jeff Hardy. They didn't explain why they were no longer in the match. So I can't say they false advertised, because they did release it

on social media. But I mean the idea that they didn't mention anything on television about why it was no longer a three way, I mean, I think that should tell you that they probably would have done this idea of beating them up. And listen, my impression was that after the d U Y it was only going to

be a tag team match. But I after the the injury, when they decided to pull them from the match, I guess it's possible that Jeff would have been carted out and maybe Matt would have run back for a spot at the end, so they still technically did a three way, but regardless, that's what happened. And now, I mean, we

know what happened with Jeff and uh Man. You know, it's crazy enough that he decided to do all of that drinking and then drive, Like on top of that, he decided to do all that drinking and then he was gonna drive to his brain scan. So we are we sure that his brain scan was actually Monday or did he actually just pull out, like, you know, where are you going? Like brain scan? I mean, honestly, like I'm not saying, I was given that appression that he

actually was on the way to the brain scan. That's the impression I was given. You actually was on the way. And when he said, that's what happened, that's what happened. He was at that convention that the day before. You can imagine what that dude tonight was like, because I can't believe he woke up and decided I'm gonna pound literally pound a fifth the fireball, put it down and say I'm gonna go drive. It's just it's bizarre. Thank god nobody got her at a moment. Observerer Live all

right the show. Brian Elbare is here wrestling Observer Live. Mike sumbur BB also wrestling Observer dot com. So the

production meeting for SmackDown is ongoing as we speak. And UH has of ten minutes ago, Vince was nowhere to be seen, so which is not entirely unusual, but you know what's gonna happen as soon as he shows up, tear everything up production meeting for not But anyway, he's not there yet, but he's scheduled to be on the show tonight and Dave Meltzer scheduled to be on CNN at two Pacific five Eastern, which was a pre tape by the way, so they've already got that in the

can talking about this, and then David Garrett later on tonight subscribers to Wrestling Observer dot com and they'll have the latest on that show as well. David I talked a lot about it on Wednesday. If you want to go up and listen to that show because as a subscriber to Wrestling Observer dot com, you get all the shows, thirteen thousand archived shows, so you can go up there and listen to anything that you have missed for the

low low price of twelve per month. So anyway, that's that, and then UH also appearing today on Cameo me f f W online because it is Father's Day weekend and what better gift for the father in your life than a cameo from me, So check it out f W online on cameo and uh yeah, lots of great stuff. Will be back later on this weekend. Dave and I will also be up for subscribers Wrestling Observer dot Com tomorrow night maybe Sunday kind of will depend. And uh then, Mike,

I missed. I missed out on so much to come back to do this show today, so I'm not. I'm not show and up Monday. The show is in your hands. I need a day off because I want to I want to live like a normal person doing this job. Normal people don't work all the time, so I'm gonna be a normal person. I'm gonna take Monday off and you're in charge, so I have fun with this guy. Everybody, you want to pull a power play on Wednesday, I'm pulling a power play today. Your show Monday, Take it

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