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was last night. Yeah, we'll do the Raw Report and everything like that, but yeah, we gotta talking about old Vince McMahon man. What timing for that Vice documentary tonight? Dave and I are on it. They've been promoting it like crazy. It airs on Vice TV at nine o'clock midnight and three a m. Eastern. So depending on when you get a chance to watch any of these shows on Vice, if you're on the West coast, nine and midnight, it maybe six o'clock, so three times that show is

gonna air tonight on Vice. I'm on it, Dave's on it, I saw the trailer. Vince Russo's on it, Jim Cornett, So it's two hour show. Make sure you check it out. Tonight and man Well Street Journal today comes out with another article on Vince McMahon and allegations and claims by Vince. So we're gonna talk about that here today on the show and all the other news as well. A w big production higher yesterday. A lot of people are talking

about we've got w W announcing new tour dates. We've got the King and Queen of the Ring have been trademarked by w W E SmackDown radios. From Friday, the show did great rampage numbers from Friday. The show did a little better than it normally does, but a lot of people didn't watch that. John Moxley takesha match. Well, that's on you, So we'll talk about that, and of

course the raw recap as well. If you want to text us, four to five seven eight zero seven five six six is the phone number four to five seven eight zero seven five six six. Check it out back at a moment. More Observer Live finess time. I kind of seeing the shack the rang in the show. Bran Albarez here Wrestling Observer Live, Mike's nimber Viv also Wrestling Observer dot Com very quickly sticking at the top of

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the whale lover in your life. I'm sure we all have one, now, don't we don't also forget that Tonight at nine midnight and three am, it is the Nine Lives of Vince McMahon on Vice TV. I'm on the show, Dave's on the show. Others are on the show as well, and uh, I hope, I hope that he's had his nine and not eight, because he seems to think he's

only at eight. Because what a coincidence. You know, this thing, this Vice documentary was scheduled to air, uh several weeks ago and it just happened to be scheduled for a night where a W had been moved to Tuesday. So we had a W and n X T on a Tuesday night, and this Vice show was going to run head to head and I was like, Man, no one's gonna watch this show. So they pulled it from that

date and they booked it here for this date. And I don't know if they knew that there was gonna be a Wall Street Journal article coming out today or if it was just an amazing coincidence that the day that this thing was scheduled to air, we got a new Wall Street Journal article. But what incredible timing. Tuesday, Wall Street Journal published an article revealing McMahon's attorney received a demand letter from Rita Chatterton's lawyer on November three,

asking for eleven points seven five million in damages. Jatterton, who was the first female referee in w w E history, publicly accute as to McMahon of raping her in the back of a limo November in New York in nineteen six. Also November, McMahon's attorney received an email from a lawyer from a former SPA manager who says that McMahon assaulted her at a California result in twenty eleven. The incident had not been reported in the media until now let

her from chart. Chatterton's lawyer states Chatterton quote has suffered years of ongoing depression, substance abuse, disordered eating, lost income, and overall a decreased quality of life following the mcmann's alleged rape. And there's more here and talks about the SPA manager told her husband about the incident. Her husband drove to a w W event with a baseball bat

try to confront Mr McMahon but was turned away. I don't want to make light of this, but what like he showed up at the door with a bat and asked to see Vince and they turned him away. That's what this sounds like. Here. The woman's lawyer has been in touch with Mr McMahon's attorney since at least July. McMahon is told people he refuses to pay settlements to Chatterton or the SPA manager. So uh, And there's more here about the the past, and then we have this

which everyone's uh talking about today. Despite his retirement, mcaman remains w w e's majority shareholder. In the Wall Street Journal story that was published today, it has noted that McMahon has told people that he quote intends to make a comeback to w w E. McMahon feels that he received quote bad advice from people close to him and thinks the allegations would have blown over if he didn't step down. Well, these two new allegations suggests that wouldn't happen,

But that's what he thinks. And then it was on and on. Now, obviously there's a lot of fans on social media today they're freaking out about this, and there are certainly people within w w E that certainly we're not expecting nor we're happy to hear this, this article from the Wall Street Journal. And I'm not gonna sit here and tell you anything because I don't know what is going to or could happen. But I will say this, I don't think it's gonna be as easy as Vince going.

You know, I'm ready to come back. Now, I'll be the office on Monday. The official word, if you guys remember, was I don't even have the tweet in front of me, but Vince. Vince tweeted something like, you know, I'm old and I think it's time to go, or something like that, and then you know, officially they talked about how he had stepped down or whatever, but I seem to recall that that the reason that he voluntarily stepped down was it if he hadn't voluntarily stepped down, it was gonna

be done in a different manner. And so the idea that you know, he could just come back. I'm not saying he's never going to be back. I'm not saying it's not possible, but he can have all of the intentions that he wants, and uh, there's a lot that would have to happen for him to just come back. So we shall see what happens. Yeah, because remember how

this whole thing started with the Wall Street Journal. It was something that was sent by you know, it's something sent to a board of director, and you know, there we have this whole thing about the independent investigation that was going to look at the entirety of the company and see what the culture was and see all that sort of stuff, you know, and we haven't heard anything about any of that stuff, any changes that are going

to be made, anything like that. So you would figure if even they've quietly done what they've needed to do and everything's over with now and we're not going to hear about any changes, or they may change as quietly. Whatever it is, you go ahead and you upset the apple cart by varying Vince McMahon back in if he

tries to force himself back in. And again, I don't know how this works as far as him being the majority stockholder and how he can leverage that to try to take over the company again, and what that would set off as far as the you know, securities and Exchange Commission and other stockholders and all that sort of stuff.

But what I do know is that I who knows if this What I know is there are now what six seven allegations against Vince McMahon for that have been settled that we know of from O. Six oh eight two thousand eighteen and then this one in two thousand and twenty two. The reader Chatterton's story has been out there for a long time. There is these ans of bar story in Florida that ended up not going anywhere in two thousand and six, of groping story, and a story where a somebody that works at a spa says

did he sent pictures? And as we found out later on, that is part of his m O and other n d a's that have apparently been signed. That's something he's doing. So now we have another situation with a spot in California for all this happened. I mean, he can talk about trying to get himself back and all he wants he can. He may be right, he may be absolutely right. Because you saw what the stock price did. Maybe people wouldn't have taken it seriously, maybe it would have blown over.

But at this point in the game, you're gonna go ahead and bring back Vince McMahon. The thought of him coming back after all of this stuff, when there's still stuff that could very well be out there, is just insanity. Well, I think people need to remember as well. Did he didn't just step down to do allegations. He stepped down because he had used essentially company money for teen page six million women. So so listen here. You know, somebody asked me this question a few months ago. It was

a great question. This was after Vince had been gone for a while, and they were like, what is worse with Vince gone? Like, you know, before Vince stepped down, the the fear was a w w Without Vince McMahon, the stock's gonna create. You know, the thing's just gonna well, what happened when he left was it didn't create her. And in fact, if you look at every single solitary aspect of business and how much money they're making and

their house show business and the ratings and blah blah blah. Yeah, I realized they had a bad quarter a little while ago, But in general, what is worse now then when he was around. If it were a situation where he left and things really did crater and then he wanted to come back, yeah, I can see them going, well, you know, yeah, this is a publicly traded company, we have a requirement to our stockhold, etcetera. But I mean, none of that happened.

You know, in a lot of ways, virtually everything is better now with him gone. So it's gonna be pretty tough to go. Hey, you know, he wants to come back. I got more allegations against him, use company money, But hey, he wants to come back, let's do it. Back in a moment Observer Live Back in the show, Brian Elbare is here wrestling Observer Alive mixambur Viv, also wrestling Observer

dot Com. In another kind of related story, a double views hired Michael Mansuriy w w E is former vice president of Global Global TV Production to be their new senior Vice President co executive producer her fire. The hiring first reporter by p w Insider, who said that he's gonna begin his job tonight. Specific job responsibilities not reported. He was most recently the Senior VP Executive Producer of

Global Production for one the m A organization. For that, he was an executive producer for The Pat McAfee Show. And so it was with the w w E for eleven years beginning in two thousand nine, left on his own accord in While his name is likely not familiar with most fans, his work as a director of record from many w w E pay per view and TV

shows during his time. Uh they are so uh. P w Insider, when they first broke the story of him leaving, said he was seen by some of his eventual successor to Kevin Dunn was seen as a big part of the Triple H regime. So there's a there's a lot to say here. So first off, you know, from talking to two people in w w E in production, this bloke was eight in his job, and uh, you know a lot of there are people there in production. They think that a W product production is just like atrocious.

They think it's absolutely positively atrocious. And I often mentioned, Bro, I'd rather watch whatever atrocious production they had than this zooming and camera cutting and all this other rigmarole. But that's what they say. Their production is horrible. And so when when man sorry got signed there like, oh my god, what a signing. This is a gigantic, gigantic signing for a w they said, because this guy is so good at his job. Now here's there's a few questions about

this that that that should be asked. So and I don't know the answers to him. But this guy worked for W W E for eleven years and he was thought to be next in line for Kevin Dunn's role. He was thought to be one of the Triple H guys. When Kevin Dunn is gone, when Triple H is in, when Vince is gone, he he's gonna he's gonna rise to that position. So in in or whatever, he quit and uh, he went to do all of these other things.

So he's been gone for a while. And then in the summer of two, everything that happened with Vince happened, and UH and Vince was removed from his position, and Triple H started bringing all of his guys into UH certain positions and he started bringing back wrestlers at Vince saw nothing in that he did, and he's he's UH, he's starting to create his his his core group. And

here we are. It is December and Michael Mansouri decided, I am not going back to w W E. I am not going back to work under Triple H. I am going to go to a W. And a lot of people have asked a question as to whai. The answer may be as simple as well, it doesn't look like Kevin Dunn's going anywhere anytime soon, so I don't want to work under this guy. Could just be that, or I mean, you know, there could be there could

be a lot of things going on here. But in general, the feeling is is a huge positive for a W. But what it means, I don't know. I don't know what it means. I mean, there's a lot, there's a lot that goes into production. Everybody. It's not just pushing a button. Are we talking like he's gonna he's gonna go? You know what? You need a different set for all these pay per views revolution there should be like whatever, barbed wire all over the place, you know, the Vegas,

I want chips everywhere. You know. W w has all these special sets. Could be something like that. Could be he wants more zooming, could be he wants this or that lighting. I don't know what he's gonna do. But all I know is I don't think you just see massive changes tonight. I think that it will take a

while to uh to get his vision instated. But we'll see. Yeah, well you see, know they got a second TV show starting soon, you know, and I know he's got probably nothing to do with that, but you're gonna have to, you know, stand out your resources. And when you have somebody like this out on the market and you're able to grab him, you grab him. That's what you do, you know. But who knows what the deal was with w w E. Maybe he was not called back to

take over for Kevin Dunn. Maybe he was called back and said no, I kind of like this guy's spirit. You know, he left on his own from w w E and then went and got a job. I mean, you saw you hear what Brian told you about his title and what he did for that company, and yes, Brian's not lying with you to you at all. People inside w w E who are still there ty hype this guy up immensely and said it was going to be a great win for a e W. So obviously

it's a big deal. But he went did the Pat McAfee show, he went decompressed probably for a while when did something that he liked to do, and then took on a new challenge with One Singapore and now he's coming back here to do this. Look I again, I'm going off of what other people are saying about it, and they are extremely excited. There have been times with AWS production I have been very frustrated. There are times where it's great. You know that it looks like nitro

and it feels like nitro. But you know what w w E. The one thing you can't take away from is their production. And if somebody can bring some of the aesthetic that's good about w w E over to a W not a bad thing. How much you say in the ratings this week. Although SmackDown did a really good number two point three million viewers SmackDown on Friday, obviously this was you know, if some of this might actually be, I'd have to go back and chart it.

But last week they were on FS one and man if I had a stock, it did very It did uh nine hundreds something thousand on FS one in the eighteen and forty nine was not that great. So they're actually up a hundred and fifty five point six percent this week because they went for so man if I had a stock this week, who man oh man. But anyway, eight point five seven up one hundred and twenty eight percent from last week. So basically my question is that

I'd have to go back. But you know, when they moved FS one, their viewership is cut in half every time or more, and so I wonder if if every time when they come back from FS one they do a better than usual number because half the people didn't watch the show the previous week and tune in to find out what they missed, perhaps in larger numbers. But anyway, I did a very good number, and uh, I have no other explanation because as a show, just show it

was fine. And then Rampage did four hundred and fifty seven thousand viewers, which is up over from the week prior. How his total audience since October one, although Um, the demo was not great. It was a point one one, and it was up from the previous week's record low, but still it's a point one one, which is not a great demo. But they were up in viewership and

it was a better show. So I guess we'll see what happens is coming Friday on Rampage if people liked it and decide they're gonna give another chance this week. So I don't know it they can put as many people on it as they want to. I know Tony's talking about reinvigorating it again, but it's still tough on Friday nights with the market that you have, what your demo is, and what your competition is, and the time slot that you're on again, I don't know you can

pop it even for a couple of weeks. Maybe, but I don't know if consistently there's an answer for the time slot. And then finally they had the announcement that they're gonna be touring June and July three. On Wednesday, June, w w E is heading you Liverpool. Thursday, they'll be in Sheffield. The nine also in uh in Dublin Islands, so they're doing a split crew the Raw crew will be in Sheffield and the SmackDown Crew in Dublin, Newcastle

Friday June and uh Sunday Age Life. Second, they will be in Cardiff, Wales again where hopefully Drew mciner could get a big victory. This time they're going back. And then they also announced the King and Queen of the Ring,

which was I don't know what like. Obviously they have trademarked King of the Ring and probably Queen of the Ring as well, but now they have trademarked w w E King and Queen of the Ring, so barely that's you know, if they do a King of the Ring pay per view, it will no longer be the King of the Ring pay per view with a Queen of the Ring tournament. It will be King and Queen of the Ring. So there you go excited for that. Everyone.

Did I lose Mike? I think I did his his his house was noisy and then suddenly got very quiet, very peaceful. I think that means that he likely dropped. Alright, we're gonna do a row when we come back from the break, but in the meantime I will look through some of the feedback and see what people are saying here four to five seven eight zero seven, five six six is the phone number for text messages. Four to

five seven eight zero seven five six six. Remember that short time when he and w W is having words and graphics appear on the screen while people cut promos. Hopefully that doesn't go to a W. I don't remember that. What was that? I remember every now and then somebody would kind of promo. There be creepy music in the background which was goofy, but there were words and graphics on the screen. I mean, I would like to see when people are interviewed, like their names appear on the screen.

I think there should be more of that. But remember that one. If you had to give a percentage as to the chance of Vince returns, what would it be. I have no idea, but I mean it would be low. I mean, honestly, I'd say less than ten percent. Now, I mean, I suppose that could change, but I find this to be quite unlikely for a lot of reasons, but who knows. Wright Another news, congrats on scoring the second goal in the semifinals of the World Cup. Thank you.

I appreciate that I have a more talented man than people are aware. This person here says, uh, no joke. Oh God, people talk about this Undertaker thing. Now is not the day to argue with me about whether Undertaker supernatural voodoo in the nineties was cool or not. Now it's not the day. Back in a moment with a raw reporting morebs, They're alive. You're right back in the show. Brin Elbert is here Wrestling Observer live chat getting natural

except for me, gets done the chats. Just Undertaker thing. Listen, he's a Hall of famer. Everybody is a Hall of famer. But I keep asking people, show me times when the stupid voodoo drew money, Like the best anyone has ever come up with was the Ministry of Darkness, when the entire feud was built around Steve Austin and Vince McMahon and the well no wonder that drew. You could have you literally could have done a storyline and put Scotty

too Hottie in that position. It would have done fine because you were working with Steve Aouston and Vince McMahon. Outside of that, Find me one time what magic and voodoo has drawn in professional wrestling. Wait, Brian, there was, there was Papa Shano and uh An Ultimate Warrior died, there was Ultimate Warrior, and whole Hogan, seeing the reflection in the mirror, died. I don't want even think any more than that. Alright, let's do the raw report. I

can't take anymore losing my mind, all right. So it opened up with Alex and Bailey. What in God's name is going on with Alexa Bliss? Am I the only one you know? Am I the old? Now I'm gonna talking about storyline in the ring? Man, Dude, they missed one spot after another in the middle of this match. Then she tried a Hurricane Ronna and for some reason took a bump on the back of her head, and then it was just this match was not good and she looks like she doesn't care, which kind of is

half the storyline is that she doesn't care. She's not into it. But like when when you're when you're doing so good at not caring that I don't believe you care. There's a problem here, right, Well, I thought this match was bad and then she she won, so she's the number one contender, and then she had to stare down with Bianca and then grabbed her for the Sister Abigail. But then, uh, I don't even know what happened. Uh, and then she just walks away with a simple flashed.

Now I'm really having flashbacks to this stuff. Do you know what? Never drew Alexa Bliss is the female fiend. Jeffer get one of those uh big oversized jack in the boxes for the playroom. I got one in the corner of the studio now, but I'll never forget the first day that Paisley spun that jack in the box and I got the camera and I did didn't tell her what was gonna happen. Then the same thing with Hanolean.

It was awesome. Honley's reaction was actually great because she's turning the thing and looking at it and all of a sudden thing pops out and at first you just jumped, and then she looks at me. She just goes, WHOA. She was already do it again. Then alph Academy promo which stead of a match with Chad Gable and aj Styles, which came up next when nine minutes and you'll never guess it was really good, but it only went nine minutes. And then Styles, Uh, this is something I've been doing lately.

Idn't if it's just me or if it's just this week. No, I am in tune with the current product. Don't tell me that Fibrograss. I'll ban you. I will ban you, Okay. I will ban you if you act like I'm some weird aberration and I'm the only guy that doesn't like Alexa Bliss is the female fiend. Okay, I will ban you. If you like it, that's fine, but do not make this overall thing that I'm some weird old man that doesn't get it. Okay, don't do it. Do you understand

I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it, and I don't like to drop the band hammer on the chat. But I looked up at the wrong time, Okay, because you empowering DJ. Yeah. Now, last couple of shows, I don't know what's up, but I've seen this finish in several matches where they're just doing a match and then it's over. There's not like a real build to it or anything like that. They did it with a brown Breaker on Sunday. Then we had it here. They're just wrestling. Now of a sudden, he

just grabs him in his move and pins him. I was like, okay, added away too, early. I want to be longer, but it was a good Walt lasted. Then we had a long Johnny Gargano Dexter Loomising on the show, which was absolutely not good. Now I know what some of you were gonna say, Oh, Vince must be back. This is the exact kind of thing you would do. No, there's a massive difference. Is this as dumb as something that Vince would do? Yes? But what's the big difference.

The big difference, which I can't tell the positive or negative at this point, is it's still going The story has been going on for like eight weeks. I'm sick of it and it won't end. Got a Louis Baton bag on a pole match next week. Vince would do stupid things and it would just end. Not this. They're determined to play out this story. How much money is in the bag? Have we determined that? Well, I'll get to that. We had judgment Davis accurre toes out in

the street profits fifteen minutes, very very good match. Everybody looked good. Is how is awesome? Thank god they're finally doing something with tiawa here. And of course in the end he got pinned by Dom who is the biggest heell on this show by Miles, by Miles. This guy gets in the ring and he's hated every time, and he got the pit and these people were so angry. So yeah, the Johnny Gargano here's where we are in

this story. Dexter and Johnny have gotten money from Miss that miss O Dexter for pretending to stock him to make miss seem like a bigger Hollywood star. So they're spending the money and they bought Christmas presents, they bought all the merch and they're handing it out to children for like an hour. MS shows up and he tries to steal the bag back and it appears comes out and goes, no, it's not your money, you lost it, give it back. MS then does a sob story about

having no money to their credit. Johnny Gargano then says, bro, don't try to convince us that you have no money, that your life savings in this stupid bag. We know you're rich. We've seen your show. Are you trying to pull here? MS? That explains you know what, You're right. I am rich, but my money is not liquid. And on top of that, my wife gives me an allowance.

So they tell him, well, why don't you get your wife to give you your allowance early, and we'll put Dexter's bag of your money and your bag of money up in the air, and we're gonna have a ladder match. Winner takes all. So, like, you know, maybe in a vacuum, you're like, Okay, well, you know this is all making sense, it's all playing out, but let's get out of the vacuum. We're gonna have MMS and Dexter Loomis in a ladder

match for two bags of money. Now, granted, I had no faith in the n x T Iron Survivor Challenges matches and they ended up being really good, both of them, but that doesn't mean that I need to have faith in this one. I do not think that this could possibly be all that good. But I guess we'll find out next week, and then I will ask again, can we just get this over with? The storyline sucks. I

know it's playing out. I know there's been a beginning, middle, and end, but sometimes you gotta cut bait on the story that sucks, and this one's sucking? Am I wrong? You're not wrong? And the longer this goes on, the longer I don't get a Index reunion and n x T where both of those people belong combined with each other and we Hadeo Sky versus Candice Larray ten minutes. Pretty good match. Eo Moon salted her again. It's just like out of nowhere. They did a match. She eat

her with a move. She starts dragging her to the corner. She goes up top. You're waiting for Candice to jump up and chop her legs or whatever. Nope, she just kept going and did her moving pinder. I like it. It's good, okay whatever. It wasn't a bad match at all, just came out of nowhere. Again. I'm counting. We need levels in that company, you know what I'm saying. We

need guys who can look. That's one of the biggest problems with Austin theory is the fact that they don't have enough people like as you go up a mid card that actually have any credibility to beat. You know, I'd like to think that Candice Lay is somewhere on the chart where yeah, she's going to beat Dana Brooke every time out. But you know what, when you have one half of the women's tag team champions Okay, good,

you know Sky is a little bit above that. There's nothing wrong with actually, you know, evening all that out in the car, because that's one thing they've been missing. Then we had the greatest segment on Raw in months, perhaps years, yes, when doing this promo, and who should interrupt him but Elias. And that look that I had on my face a few minutes ago was the exact same look that Kevin Owens had in his face when this guy had the nerve to come up with him

and ask if you would watch his back tonight. And Kevin Owens was so gobsmacked and he lost his mind. I cannot believe you're asking me to watch your back. Have you forgotten the pain and misery that you put me through for months? And of course Elias has to twist the knife. That wasn't me, that was my brother. Now now Kevin's he's totally flipped his lid. And then he points out, you know, even if none of that ever happened, the last time were in the ring that

you hit me with a guitar. You broke a guitar over my head. Now you want my help, he storms off. Elias has to look at his face like huh, might have been a bad time to ask, Kevin Owens said, storms back in, looks at the guy again to make sure this is this actually happened, and then he storms off again. I died watching this segment, was dying and know what you left out? You know who was suddenly

brilliant and all of it. Kathy Kelly is awesome because Kathy Kelly, as Owens was looking over just dumb straw and she's looking over to Alias to everything about it was perfect. So then Elias goes to the ring for

a match with Solo Sakoa. Solo Sakoah kills him him and Samy go to kill him more afterwards, who should run down to make to say, but Kevin Owens, and Kevin Owens starts hitting stunners on on Solo and then Eliza is so thankful that he saved him from getting his neck broken and he goes to hug Kevin Owens and Kevin boots him in the stomach and hits him with the stunner. Loved it. I don't see good things in Eliza's future, by the way. He Honestly, I never

thought i'd say this. He was way better off as Ezekiel. It's too cold to shave that thing, though, I guess kevins Owens is a Hall of Famer. Rha Ripley defeated Oscar in a good match. Oscar no longer wears the face paint, and they're talking about how she she's lost her edge. So hopefully they're not turning her heel as well, because we're already going that way with Alexa. But she was, she was more violent here and then uh, finally dumb jumps up on the apron and she sprayed missed in

this guy's face, and this place when nuts. They were so happy to see this guy get misted and he's selling it like he's blind and he can't see. But then poor Oscar turns around, gets ripped tided, which is not a word, and pinned what ripped? Two ripped teed? She got ripped tided? Yeah she did. And how many women are going through character transition right now? Alexa? You got, Nikki, you got? I mean, there is a bunch of women going through probably as many as they're changing in a

w right now. Actually, they've had about eighty five different turns, and then we had, of all people, he's back Dolph Ziggler threatens theory brother, I saw it. I'm over it. Why are we going back to this, especially because the main event is seth Rawbon's Bobby lashing for the number one condetor ship. Good match twelve minutes. These guys are great,

so Lashly almost runs over the ref. The ref bails outside to not take a bump, but then he twists his anchor like an idiot, and then Lashly spears seth rawlins. The ref is too slow to count. Lashly is furious. He goes for another spear. He gets pedigreed out of thin air, pinned. I guess I don't know if the air was thin, but that doesn't matter. He got pinned. And then afterwards he's angry at the referee. He's screaming at him. Another referee comes down. He accidentally, he accidentally

hits this referee. Pierce comes out and he's furious and he's cutting a promo and Lashly Lashly shoves this guy gets fired. Yes, I realized he shoved at him. Peers, but he shoved him because his whole thing is so dumb that he accidentally hurt a referee and was told if you accidentally hurt one again. You will be in big, big trouble. I don't like this story back in a moment of her live like the show. Bran elbur is here Wrestling Observer Live. Mike semper viv also Wrestling Observer

dot Com. Hey, listen, I make assumptions as well. We all do, but don't always make so many assumptions. Okay. One of the things on the chat here is, oh, it's all the same stuff. Riddle's gone for six weeks. Shots, He has gone for six weeks. Lashly has gone for six weeks. It's all to get people back for the rumble. Hold on, I know that's the assumption. But the Riddle is gone for reasons that have nothing to do with storyline. Okay. I don't know all the details. There's a lot of

rumors out there. I don't know what's what, but that's why he's gone. Okay, SHOTSI has a broken hand. That's legitimate. So that's why she's gone. She may be back six weeks, she might not it. And Bobby Lashly, I mean, here's the thing. The story was he was fired. Okay, So I don't think he's gonna vanish for six weeks and just make a surprise return at the Rumble. I presume that this is a storyline that is gonna be playing off on TV every week for you know, however long

to do something between now and the Royal Rumble. So yeah, it seems like they're doing the exact same thing and a lot of different circumstances. Every circumstances different. So yes, m hmm. Do you know that tonight on Vice Vince McMahon The Nine Lives ye nine, nine o'clock midnight and three am, three times. But what you can do is set your d v R for Vice TV and it may or on the internet as well for all. But I do know it's airing on Vice TV tonight at

nine midnight and three am. You gotta watch it, Mike, I'm going to. Don't we talk about it tomorrow because I got you too, TV. I need a hook up and I got sling to as a backup because it's, uh, you got all the money, It's like it ain't that much back in a moment, meaning in an hour with land Storm Wrestling Observer Live. You have been listening to the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network