Title Tuesday vs NXT/TNA Showdown

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I'm all tangled up, just like the world of professional wrestling always is.

God I can't even do the opening segment. It's just like I try and then I get lost. There's just so much stuff going on, so very quickly. Raw is tonight. It's Becky Lynch versus Maxine dupri lyra versus Rock Sand What and Yeah, lyra versus Roxane, Becky versus Maxine. What's happening? Seam Punk will make an appearance in Roman Reigns kicks off the show. This is the Raw go home for Perth, which is Saturday.

Okay, brother, I gotta tell you this earlier start time for Raw.

It's not happening tonight.

Is it on the same time or is it on even earlier?

Right now, I think it's on at eight tonight. I think it's on at eight from now on, except I think there's two dates coming up. I forget the dates that are scheduled to be seven o'clock. But whatever you want to say about formulas and everything for the Raw ratings, the actual numbers that Netflix gives every week, which whether

Please Yeah, I'm never not since the nineties have I wanted the Hardies to win a match so badly.

And then we've got Ethan Page against Mustafa Ali for the North American title. So that's the NXT show going head to head with title Tuesday which in fact has almost no title matches on it. That guy, by the way, mad at me on Twitter. I'm still laughing about that one. He was sure that the Brodido match was for the titles and I was wrong.

Well rightfully, so he's sure I wasn't.

Now I do actually for no reason.

I do like the stipulation at least, but not on Title Tuesday. You could have done on any other show, right, that could have been on Collision. But Title Tuesday, you get a non title tag match.

Well, are two title matches are too?

Did they? They should have just done the whole the woman's tag title tournament on Title Tuesday.

You know they probably could have, but and it is a two and a half hour show. You could have done the women's tag title tournament if you wanted to,

It's preempted by the NHL.

Oh that's right, that's why. Oh that's right, that's why you got me. Not Thursday. Then this show is going to die this weekend.

Yeah, I agree.

Mmmm well, then we got the go home show for Bound for Glory on Thursday. Joe Hendry, Eric Young, nod Q, Most of All Le versus j d C, Matt Cardono versus Ryan Namath, Trick Williams appears, and Leon Slater appears SmackDown as Sammy z Ain's Open Challenge the best thing on any show. Damian Priestylist for Black Last man.

Start, Oh, you'll change your mind once there's a EO and Oscar segment tonight, and that's spot That'll be the best thing on any show.

Just hold on. I said that was the best storyline.

That's fine. You just said the best thing a second ago.

Well, yeah, this is I.

I woke up and I had to read that Sammy z Ain. You guys are saying Sammy's Ain's having the best match on every show, not when he Sky's wrestling baby.

I said, his entire career, he's always had the best match on every show, and Sky is on a different show. So in fact, I'm now anyway, then back down, we got the Sammy's and Joe Gacy and Dexter Loomis against montes Ford and Angelo Dawkins for the tag titles. That better be a title change. This has run split up, This has run its score. They just split up Mizz and Mellow Dude. They can't do two straight weeks to split up.

Oh they can't.

No, I think they're teasing a split up and they're actually gonna win the titles.

Didn't they just do that over the summer.

I think they did.

I think they lost them.

I think they.

Did in the ladder match, didn't they I think? So, Oh my god, they're just gonna run it back, run back.

I guess you could break up two straight teams on two straight weekends, Wyatt, that's the one that should Well. I don't know what are they gonna do separately?

Oh yeah, you know I would like to see Uncle Howdy and the Vintner.

Well, yeah, they titles Julian Keana versus Tiffany Stratton and Stephanie Vicaer also on the show. So for Crown Jewel, we have some breaking news here. We have got Cody and Seth for the Men's Jewel title. We have Tiffany and Stephanie for the Women's Crown Jewel title. John Cena versus aj Styles, Rhea Ripley and eoversus the Kabuki Warriors. And it has not been announced, but Bronson Reid will not be facing Randy Orton after pinning him on SmackDown.

Something happened killed me during the g one Yeah did he Yeah, he had barricade.

He had a really really big match that was going to be taking place on a show in Perth, and I can't remember what happened broke his foot? No, I don't think it was when he got hurt. I think something happened to the other guy, and so like the match was never announced, but like I think that they were gonna do it, and then so anyway, he had this big match and like it got didn't end up taking place. So I think this is kind of like sort of a make good for him, is what I feel.

Oh, is that gonna be? For both titles? Are gonna get Bully Ray as ed XT champion?

Could happen Kilani against Indy Hartwell knockouts title, Leon Slater Javon Evans for the X Division title, Frankie and Steve Macklin for the International title, a hardcore war Call Your Shot Gauntlet match, and Tessa Blanchard She's back against gam Miller. We got so much more after the break Observer Live.

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I didn't even get through the whole weekend. I took an entire segment. We didn't even get through the whole weekend, and we didn't even do like a lot of predictions. I do predict Kyle beats Kyle. That's my prediction. We also had a King of Pro Wrestling.

On Horrendous Segue.

October thirteenth, one of the one of the worst. Brother I don't got time to banter. We got too much news. Zach Saber Junior Takeshta for the world title. Who you thinks will winning that one? Yeah, you're right? Gabe Kid and Yoda Suji for the Global title. This is a Title Tuesday, except just on Sunday or Monday. Yudo Ice an Oscar against Shota Umino.

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That sounds like one heck of a wrestling show.

You guys ready to start watching some wrestling?

Oh? Speaking of which, a little bit of news on the New Japan front, which we might as well get to right now. But your main man, Dookie defeated Desperado.

Yeah he did for the with a bunch of interference and crap I.

Hear coming from the House of Torture, who, by the way, I love big fan of the House of Torture. I wish that they'd take my application a little bit more seriously and went off to talk to my boy, you Jiro the Tokyo pimp. See if you can hook it up.

Okay, we got some more breaking news here from the front page of Wrestling Observer dot com subscriber exclusive. But it's out now so you'll all know the you know who the final opponent for Johnson is. Have you looked yet?

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Gunther has been chosen as a final opponent for John Cena December thirteenth, Washington DC. Multiple sources over the last two days have confirmed the name. Ww internal listing for the Saturday night main event at this point lists that as the only match on the show. Two sources of confirmed the latest plan is for a tournament to be an an Else, possibly on the air by Paulovec, with two wrestlers vying to be seen as last appointment top wrestlers.

Well, I mean it follows a pretty you know set and tried, a true pattern of the big baby face and especially in this case, John Cena representing the USA in Washington, d C against the foreign monster the ring general.

Not only that, but like if I'm John Cena and I got one match left, and I want it to be a good one. I'm working John Cena Babyface against Gunther. I don't know if it's gonna be as good as that was it the Cody match at Summer Slam. That was like he just totally turned it around.

But I mean, no, there was a I think the previous pay per view match that he had had before that one was pretty good too, but I don't remember exactly what it was.

We'll see what happens, but I'm quite bullish on that particular match right there. You know, this actually has nothing to do with the wrestling, but I should ask you about it because you're a former UFC star. I won't say superstar, But so, remember, how wasn't it the White House UFC show was going to be on July fourth?

I believe that was the plan.

Okay, Well, and granted, you know this is not political, but I think that even his biggest supporters would admit that sometimes Donald Trump says things that might not be true. He did a speech and he said it's gonna be June fourteenth, which is his birthday. Is he making that up? Well?

No, I mean I believe there's gonna be a big celebration for what would it be the by centennial. I don't know what you'd call it, the two hundred and fiftieth year of the United States as a country. And maybe it's taking place all summer.

Well, I don't know, but he said the UFC, maybe.

They're gonna they're gonna hold an event for each day that the different states were looking to ratify their state constitutions.

Who knows, well, he said on June fourteenth, next year, we're gonna have a big UFC fight at the White House on the grounds of the White House. That's what he said. So we'll see. Nothing's been officially announced by UFC, but it appeared that the date was July fourth Now.

Yea, Trump says. Trump says, June fourteenth.

Yes he does.

Connor McGregor claimed that he was on the show. He said, it's a peculiar one, this one. I'm doing the negotiations for the country of Ireland along with the USA.

What in God's name accent was that?

Was that? Blimey God?

That was horrible, horrible smashing machine. Have you seen it?

I have seen the original documentary.

So you didn't see the new one either, unlike any like everyone No.

You want to know why, because I was busy, Yeah, just like everybody else was this week, I'm doing something else. I was busy doing commentary for MLW Saturday night at MLW slaughter House.

I think they should have released the movie on like a Tuesday. I think this whole weekend thing, there's just too much competition.

Came out on Thursday. The show a movie, which may be another unfamiliar day to you.

It might be an unfamiliar day. I don't know much about Thursdays. Six million dollars on opening weekend. It costs fifty million to make it. The first week is always biggest. It's basically doing what the Von Eric movie did. And this is with the rock starring in this film. And it wasn't like it was a small open three three and forty five venues. It did six million dollars. It had been predicted to do up to fifteen million, and it's lower. It's the lowest, the lowest open for a

He got smashed by the machine that is Taylor Swift.

Yeah, at the box office thirty million dollars.

Back in the day, Heath Herring buried kicks and then ground and pound into poor Mark Kerr.

That one battle after another that was talking about did eleven million. So maybe they just got all murdered by Taylor Swift and they'll all do better next weekend. I guess we'll see. But you know, it's funny because like all of the critics are raving about this movie, and they're raving about like the Rocks performance. But what I've heard from people that like saw the original and you know, followed MMA and and know everything about this whole thing,

And I mean, from what I understand, it's word for word pretty much seen for seeing from the original documentary. But hey, I was told it's good. I was told I need to go see it, and that's by somebody who has very similar interest to me in the game of professional wrestling, who I will not name.

Who would that be.

On I just told you, I'm not gonna say who it was.

You're legitiate?

Legitiot? Is that what you called me? That's a pretty good term.

You heard me. That's a legit idiot? Yeah, thank you, legiti How is Bailey not stolen that yet?

Bailey?

I give you permission, but I want if you put on a shirt, I do want a cut of a legitiot. All right, what else do we have here? Laredo Kid, we got a lot of contract notes. Laredo Kid is no longer with TNA Wrestling.

He's grown up.

I guess finally now he's still a kid, but he's moved on. That's what kids do.

I thought, No, wasn't he just Laredo?

Actually yeah, well it's weird. I think for a while in TNA he was just Laredo, but then when he went anywhere else, he was Laredo Kid.

But whatever is he even from Laredo?

I don't know. You can look it up on Wikipedia. Cedric Alexander, who I thought just signed deals already up Apparently he signed a short term deal. He debuted June twentieth, and I guess he must have just signed a three month deal or whatever. So I don't know. Maybe he will end up in the Hurt syndicate. Who knows, but his deal is up. And then Santos Escobar is negotiating, but we are told things I don't necessarily look promising, so he may be gone.

Maybe Connor McGregor is doing the negotiations for him.

Yeah, I guess word came out that Bronson Reid re signed, which that's news. That guy would be a maniac to go anywhere else. He's one half of the top heel group on Raw and getting pushed hard, so obviously he's sticking around.

They should play up him being like one of the only people to pin Okada over the past five years ten years.

Yeah, and then we got to talk about Mercedes. I didn't realize this until Lance brought it up because I've said many times, like, you know, people comparing this to Ultimo Dragon. It's like most people can't even name probably nine of the belts she has right now, maybe eight, because I guess she has nine. But are you do you know what belt she has?

The TBS title, Yeah, Rev Pro Woman's title, which was combined with the EVE Women's title. Is that right?

I don't know. Anyway, She's got the AWTBS title, the cmll I guess I'll do after the break. You guys think during the break if you can name all nine of her titles back in the moment it were light.

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Alrighty, anyway, these are the bells. She has TBS title, CMLL Women's Title rev Pro Undisputed title, which by the way, was not the EVE title. Has nothing to do with that right now, apparently, accordingy to the chat EWA women's title in Austria, the PTW Women's title from Poland, the best YAH women's title from Italy, the Queen of Southside title, that's the one that was merged with the Rev Pro title and the Discovery Wrestling Scottish Women's title. Okay, so

Brian, Yes, how many of the Ultimo Dragons titles could you name?

Well?

Now, none even then, but but back then there were so many fewer titles back then that these were actually far more prestigious titles. Thank this title, it's not even a title with another title.

I w GP Junior Heavyweight title, a World Junior Heavyweight title, cool War International Junior Heavyweight title. War was big, dude, British Commonwealth Junior Title big, the British Commonwealth WWF Light Heavyweight title, which was an afterthought, never defended, UWA World Junior light Heavyweight, World Junior light Heavyweight Title, NWA World Walter White title.

These are all much bigger than the Poland's women's title. I realize your wife is Polish. That doesn't matter. That doesn't make this belt meaningful. Tom.

There's some of the strongest fighters in all the world. They had the UFC champion for years. You want a young j check coming out of that country. You're gonna say they don't have great competitors.

I didn't say that now, sorry.

That they're not fighting spirit like Mexico.

Buddy, WHOA where are we going?

Now?

That's not right?

You're going down?

How about this? Can you name everyone in the TNA Hall of Fame didn't think so.

I can give it a shot, go for it and fail.

Gail Kim Nope, actually she is. Sorry, Mickey James, She's gonna go in this year.

I'm just gonna start off with the ones that are calling out Dave Meltzer. We also have Sting Yeah, aj Styles, Nope, no Christian the Dudleys.

I thought Christian was in. Didn't they do that weird thing where Christian showed up and looked like he was But I don't see him on the list. Team three d's there? What the heck? Kiss the story with Christian? The announcer, Gosh, Mike Tnay and Don West.

Yeah, Don West, I'm sorry, that's what I was looking for. Uh and uh, I don't know Elix Skipper.

All right, we got Sting, Kurt Angle, Team three D, Jeff Jared and Earl Hebner, Gail kim Abyss, Ken Shamrock, Awesome Kong Raven, Mike Tnay and Don Webb, Tracy Brooks, Rhino, Bob Ryder. In this year, Mickey James and the Beautiful People are going in. What happened with Christian? Remember when they borrowed him or something?

Yeah?

I think it was the other way around. Maybe he was in TNA and wwe borrowed him. I need to I need to look this up. I can't remember, all right, anything else. Before we get to the TV, what did you think of SmackDown and collision this weekend.

I enjoyed SmackDown.

SMACKDA was good.

I thought it was good. Are we gonna do a full review or yeah, I go for it. Okay. We started off with Cody Rhodes, the undisputed champion, coming out in front of the Cincinnati crowd. He was immediately interrupted by one Oracle, the Paul Hayman, flanked by Bronson and Bron Randy Orton appeared to back up Cody. Hayman tried to stir dissent between those two, said that it's a prophecy that the two of them cannot last together and

Sammy Zane, this guy's incredible, absolutely incredible. If they keep this title on this guy, people are gonna look back on this one like that John cena Us Title Open challenge, because this guy's having way better matches. Although the Johnsena matches were pretty good, but holy smokes, this guy's great.

This dude, he is gonna get annihilated. By Oba Feme. That's your prediction, that's my prediction. But until then, I think we should see some awesome matches out of him.

There has to be somebody who has a finish which is a counter to the Blue Thunderbomb, because he's changed his finish to the Blue Thunderbomb, and he didn't do it first like sometimes people change their finish because they can't do their old finish. He still does the kick in the corner, but his new finish is the Blue Thunderbomb. And this guy's no idiot. There's like a method to

He ain't picking up Omi for it, so that's what I is your counter right there. Zaria and sol Ruka were approached to be part of the Secret Hervist. Instead, Nick Alvis made a tag match between the Secret Hervists and Zarruka, which Zaruka won. After Chelsea went for the un prettier, she was pushed into the corner instead soul hit the soul Snatcher picked up the wind. This is a attempt to heat them up so they can face the Charlotte and Alexa for the titles. Charlotte and Alexa

Ring that Tiffany promo dude sucked. My God speaks fluent English and it is significantly worse promo than the woman who speaks virtually no English, just mechanical.

Whatever she did, whatever she could have come up with on her own, I guarantee would have come off better than Yes promo did. Yes, this was paint by the numbers WW Championship promo speak. We then add this is for you, buddy. This is a Brian Alvarez segment, Ray Finnix and Javon Evans taking on. I believe it's Los Garza, but Michael Cole can't get it right, so I'm not sure I'm gonna be bothered to either. I'm not sure if it's Garza Garzaz. They're awesome regardless. Both teams are awesome.

Well, I mean sometimes no, I mean yes.

The past month or two.

Every in the cases we do the double heat, although we did have a match on this show where we didn't even know comeback. So I like that they.

Got the heat on. Evans did what I've noticed now I'm just reading like I'm a robot.

Uh.

Javon got a hot tag. He looked great, flying everywhere. A blind tag from Phoenix led to a kickoff the ropes from him, followed by Javon leaping over him connecting with an og cutter, and then Phoenix sealed the deal with the Mexican muscle buster. Oh yeah. And then we had Bronton and Bron take on Cody Roads and Randy Orton in the main event. Really enjoyed this match too. I like watching Bron get in there and work with some of the veterans like Cody and Orton, see what

Got to learn a lesson sometime. I thought that was a very good show. This this SmackDown, Remember for a while, it was just like absolutely atrocious.

The past couple of weeks.

It's been better, and it was significantly better than Collision, which I was thinking about this because Lance subbed for Vinnie last night and you know, he kinda he made a comment and he was right, and that is that it just feels like you're watching a house show. It feels like there is a there's a major aw show every Wednesday Tuesday this week, and then over the weekend they run a house show and we all get to watch it if we choose to. That's what Collision feels like.

You know what show I used to love watching when I was younger, What's that WCW Saturday Night And was much in the same vein as that you're watching a three hour house show. But hey, everybody's tasted a little bit different, aren't they.

Brian, You know, Tom, they really are back in a moment Observer Live.

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On this day in nineteen ninety nine, Robert James Gino Morilla passed away heart failure due to diabetes at the age of sixty two.

You know my two Yeah, I know my memories of Gorilla, it's always kind of been like up and down, you know what I mean, Because I remember when I was a kid, I watched Gorilla and Bobby and I was always massively entertained. And then you know, I got a little older, and then you start reading The Observer and there's a lot of criticism for Gorilla because of the way he called the action. And then you know, you're kind of like, you know, he's not wrong. He did

Very similar to your feelings on Booker T.

Kind of, I'm more positive than negative on Booker. I think it's more about it's more like Vic. I'm very up and down on is very over the top. He is over the top, but I think that, but.

You know, I think he's been great on SmackDown.

I Hey, you know what's funny. I I enjoy Booker T. And I know people that absolutely think this guy is the dirt worst. So it's a I don't know, you'd probably think we're the dirt worst too, But anyway, we're out of everybody. I'll be back tonight with Dave Tomorrow year on this show with Lance. We got a lot coming up. Everybody's gonna be a very busy week, So sign up at Wrestlingobserver dot com, Apple podcast, YouTuber, Spotify.