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In the show, Brian Alvarez here Wrestling Observer Live like simper vv also Wrestling Observer dot com. Yes, I have returned finally.

Did you miss it?

Depends? I always miss part of it.

Here on Friday, I can tell you that.

What happened on Friday.

Oh nothing, nothing, nothing in the news that I didn't want to cover that I ended up having to.

Cover that that happens every day.

Yeah, well, we got talking about the It does happen every day.

The Luta bros. Maybe leaving AW, it says here Brian Alvarez, Yes, that's me, is reporting the internal belief within AW both pent and Ray Phoenix will be leaving the company for WWE when their contracts expire.

Wait a second, Wait a second. So we're saying, for once on this show, we can tell the people. Brian Alvarez reported this.

Well, here's what you can tell the people if you want to, all right, you can tell the people that the belief within AW is they're leaving, and this is from multiple people, and until they leave, until they sign with WWE, nothing is official. I can't tell you one hundred percent they're going to WWE, but it is believed that they are leaving, and it is most likely the WWE. Well, how can I say this? We don't know, obviously, and you know, you can't negotiate with the other side at

I really don't have anything to add on that, although right now would be the best time for them to go now, wouldn't it With WWE being as strong as they are and throwing around the money that they they have, and I you know, I don't know. I don't know those guys, so I don't know what's in their mind as far as what they want to do. But they're not getting any younger, that's for sure. In WWE, you don't have to do what you can do in aew and what is somewhat expected of you when it comes

You know.

The other other thing to think about is, especially if you're looking to make some money. Do you know how much these two men will make unmerchandised sales in WWE masks, shirts, Penta's glove, I mean they will make a killing.

Brian to be fair, to be fair, to balance that out a little bit. The only guy who's made real money off a mask in the last twenty years in WWE, the only guy that they've actually pushed to a level that people wanted to buy their merchandise, and that's Ray

Well and the Fiend. That guy sold a ridiculous amount of masks.

I understand that I'm talking abouts.

Not well, we haven't really had a lot of masked Lucidors with the exception of Dragon Lee, and I don't know is done.

But also look at how they have treated those luchadors too. When it comes to merchandise. It's not like you see a bunch.

Of Actually, bro listen, there is a ton of l w O merchandise and they sell a ton of merchandise. Like I know, yes, when Vince was around, they didn't do anything with the Mexicans, and yes you can you can say, well where's Dragon Lee been? But if you look at, like, you know, how it is now as compared to before. I mean, they've done a lot with the LWO. They've done a lot with Andrade since coming back, not as much as you know, maybe he was doing actually I don't even know he was doing better than

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Back here in the show Bryan Alvarez here Wrestling Observer Live. Tony Kahan commented on his meeting with Shane McMahon during a recent interview with ESPN Radio. He was asked about it on the Sodano and Cap Show, and he said, well, as I understand, he's not doing anything with WWE, and

Everybody talks too much.

Brian Danielson would be open to working with Shane McMahon again if Shane ends up coming to AW. He did an interview and said, I'm open to working with anybody. I don't have beef with anybody, so yeah, one hundred percent. He said he doesn't have any inside information on what's going on between AW and Shane, and if he did, he would not disclose it publicly.

Anyway.

It was interesting because Tony mentioned to me after the photo had come out. He said, oh, yeah, I didn't want to tell you this before, but I met with Shane McMahon. I didn't say this, but I was like, yeah, I know. The picture was everywhere. Although to be fair, I'm not aware of a lot of things because I don't go on Twitter and I don't go on social media and all that kind of stuff.

Smart man.

So that's the story. That's the story.

It is a story.

It's a story, all right.

Although it is completely believable to me that a fan would hear that Shane McMahon and Tony Connor in the same place and kick opened a door at an airport, considering the ass that these people show on a regular basis with wrestlers at the airport.

He took that picture and they went running.

Now Tony was like, uh yeah, uh oh boy.

Yeah that's what happened.

I was entertained by this story. So in SummerSlam they did that logan Paul Man and he lost to l. A. Knight and his foots under the ropes. Oh boy, yeah, they are going to follow up on that. He has filed a lawsuit. Okay, he's filed a lawsuit against LA Knight accusing him of civil theft willful property damage, which actually I can I can buy that when he stole that truck and destroyed it. So I mean that's that's okay.

My god, do we have any famous wrestling barristers we can bring in for.

This a jury trial? Well, the barrister, I mean he doesn't work for WWE.

Well that's yeah, the actual one. Rd Evans No, No, not him. We can't do that one, But is there anybody else we can bring in here?

I mean, I not do it. NXT's going on the road to kick off its move to the CW. Shawn Michael's revealed on social media the October first premiere episode of NXT in the network will air live from the All State Arena.

Damn.

The brand will add to Saint Louis the following week, although he did not mention a venue. So actually, if if All Out ends up being in Chicago, that means WW is running NXT two weeks later. Two weeks later at the All State Arena, ce.

Him Punk there. Randy Orton at the show in Saint Louis, So it's not going to be a small venue. I don't think Randy's coming out to the community college. But be interesting to see how those shows are revealed and what their plan is going to be for that show. Are they going to return to the Performance Center mostly or are they going to run some smaller sized buildings.

So yeah, they've got two weeks. Randy Orton's gonna be there in chicag in Saint Louis, c and Punk in Chicago. They've already now, they've already released their first thirty second ad five year deal with the ced W. My god, five years of NXT on the CW.

I'm gonna have so much material.

Dear God, Are you gonna start watching some of the other shows on the CW. No, of course, watch a little. No Penn and Teller.

Now, I.

Have seen that show a few times when it's someone that I liked, but.

It's their number one rated show. If I'm not, I believe that.

I believe that. The only thing, the only problem I have with the show is you got to trust those two. You know what I'm saying, Well, like you do it well I were talking about the Magic Show. Yeah, yeah, well you gotta trust them because like some guy does this big performance and then like you have to trust whether Penn and Teller actually figured it out or not. They're like, ah, you know, we.

Know that one.

It's like I missed out on millions because of this. But then every now and then they'll be like, you got us. It's like, really, is this all for show?

If it's gotten executive producer, it's all for show.

M all right? The latest on the g one, which is anyone watching all of it? Anybody?

I'm a little behind.

I think everyone is. I've watched so night eleven, Sanata beat Shingo, Nito beat Show to Umino, Zach Saber Junior beat Evil, Jake Lee beat Gabe Kid, Great o'conn beat Callum Newman. So Wednesday we have got the following matches in the B block Goto and David Finley, yu Uimuran, Red Narita, Yodas, Suji and hanare El, Fantasmo and Takeshta and Olag Bolton and Jeff Cobb. So that brings us to the final standings. At this point, Zach, Saber Junior

It's possible, Actually, it's possible. I gotta see it's possible.

But then you we're talking ta keshas non in the finals.

No, no, no, no, no. How they're doing it this year is the winner of the regular block is going to get a bye. The number one person at the end of this thing, who's got the most points is getting a bye, and then two and three number the A Bloc two is gonna face B block three and vice versa. What so, Yes, there are going to be six people in play by the end of this thing, which is why Nayato being the IWGP champion and limping along here is you know, probably going to play into

Right, Thank god, I haven't been watching. I'd be so irritated, I know, and perhaps confused.

No, that'll be at the end, but that's okay, explain it all to you.

Oh my god, say we got the text message you've been We'll do raw after the break.

Let's see what we've got here.

They were playing up a whose side is yon? With Roman having both Solo and Cody down. Okay, cool, I can't read these Before I read them, What was the point of that? Send me another text and explain what the point of that was.

Let's see what we've got.

Oh my god, is there anything good in this today? Okay, here we go. Give me Rush and the Beast Mortos as a tag team that I am all for. They should be the tag team champions and Kyle Fletcher Yeah, spears, says Brian will Tony play round with going to different places for special dynamites like the early days. I'm in Colorado. I would love an aw event at Red Rocks. Well, I mean they're not doing that now, but I mean, hey, listen, we're gonna know.

A lot more that money though, that's the problem with some we're exotic like that. That would look incredible and awesome, like one, logistically is it possible? And two do you want to spend that money right now?

Well that's the thing. Once the new TV deal comes in, we're gonna know a lot more. If it's if it's largely what it is now, I don't think they're gonna be doing a lot of that. If it's what I expected to be, which will be one point four times what they're getting now, Yes, exactly one point four times. They'll have a lot of money to throw around. So we'll see back in a moment. We'll talk a ron more observer live sometimes. Oh, no, stomach issues again, I mean isshoes, who are you?

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Well, let's talk about maybe the best raw of the year. It was awesome.

Baldemore, Oh, that's why it helped.

I don't know about that.

You're pretty good.

So uh, Ludvig guy's her news his gun there and he comes out and he's got a suit on and his belt and he looks like a million bucks and out comes Randy Orton, and Randy reminds him, I he said, A'm the reason you're the champion in the first place, because you won King of the Ring beating me. But you know what, my shoulders weren't down, and I will accept the referees decision is final. But you know what, everybody, including Triple H, knows that my shoulders were not down,

I thought this was awesome.

You're not going to complain about the brand split or anything.

Nope, don't care. Good because they never pushed it. It's like these people are on this show. These people are on that show, but they never say they can't go to the other show. They never say that when they face each other. It's once in a lifetime. So great, that's the way it should be.

And it's going to be a show where they're going to be in Berlin anyway, so you're gonna have everybody all mixed and matched in all likelihood. And I do like the fact that they have announced this, gotten this out of the way, let's go with it.

We add Seamus versus Ludwig Kaiser match was awesome. What the heck's going on with Seamus? Like this guy? I mean, he was always like good and everything like that, but like the older he gets, the better the matches are that he has. And it's mostly because he'll just beat the crap out of the other guy and get the crap beat out of him, and him and Kaiser just pounded on each other, and the finish was great because

It was awesome.

So now we get Seamus and Pete Dunne coming up, which also should be great.

You know what my big thought was coming out of that boy, This Intercontinental title picture could be really awesome because I like Kaiser, Seamus fits in that mix. Obviously, you got brawn there, you know, Elia Dragonoff is lurking around as well to Pete Dunn. You can have a lot of guys, you know, fighting over that title and making it something valuable. It's been with Gunther and Sammy.

So then we had Damien Priest coming out and this guy is so over as a babyface and he's a great babyface, and he cuts his promo about how I watched my own documentary. I didn't realize what people thought about me. And you know what, you guys are my new family, and I you know, I'm not happy I lost the title, but I can win it back. But you know what I'm unhappy about is I've disappointed my family, and my family.

Was robbed of that title.

Therefore, Finn get out here for a beating. And Finn appears on the big screen and he says, you know what, ain't I ain't coming out there tonight, But I got somebody who's gonna take you out tonight, and it's j D. And I'm just gonna wait until you're safe and comfortable, and then I'm gonna jump you from behind and stab you in the back over and over again. And up walks Carlito, JD Live and Dom. They're all laughing. The new Judgment day, Priest is furious and he storms to the back.

This was an aesthetically great deal with Priest the entire time, rallying up the fans who responded to everything, and then the promo with everybody coming in at the end just to rub it in Priest's phase. I thought was awesome.

And we had Peers on the phone and Bronson walks out and he goes, how come I beat Seamus last week and Seamus gets a match nine I got nothing, and pre says, well, you know the match was already signed, and so Bronson says, well, it's clear. If I want to get to the top, I got to create my own path and he walks out Shana and Lyra. This

Yeah, this was pointless.

Then we had Ivy Nile meeting with the Creeds and old Maxine walks up. She says and I quote, I haven't seen you for weeks, and the Creed brothers have been viciously attacking Tozawa and Oties.

Howled with laughter.

She gets dragged away by Gable. So they're playing up that Ivy Nile doesn't want anything to do with these heels.

Just you wait.

See him. Punk came out, He's all happy. Why is he happy? Well, he claimed that I was supposed to be out for nine months and I made it back five. Well, here we go anyway, So he wants to fight Drew. It's not splitting hers, he said, every time, tell me what I'm telling lies. So if you ask for people to tell you when you're telling lies, he's telling a lie here, and he told another lie later.

You know you said the same thing and you respond kind of in this nevermind.

Go ahead, hey, tell me what I'm telling lies? He told a lie. What's going on here?

God's hitting you with lightning?

That's something else. Oh okay. So then he calls out Seth or actually no, he calls out Drew, but Seth comes out instead and Seth no stupid outfit, no dancing. He wants to fight, and he's about to get in the ring, and all of a sudden, Drew shows up in the crowd, and Drew starts trolling both of these nerds, and they want to fight each other, but Drew's like going on and on, and then finally Drew he holds up the bracelet and now Punk can take no more

AOP is huge. And for those people who haven't seen Odyssey Jones and you have not in a long time, since he's been on the main roster for months and they haven't used him. He picks up one dude as r I guess or whatever and uh whatever, both of them under each arm, picks one up, then the other one up, then delivers the sidewalk slams. It was visually an incredible, incredible moment.

So he looks awesome and then they go backstage later and Woods is like, I didn't even know you guys were friends. Cobe He's like, yeah, we were at the Performance Center together. I met him. I told him you were having problems with this final testimony or whatever testament, and and he came up to help, and you can see Woods is like, I don't need this dude's help. What have you got another friend for? But he smiles. I'm like, Wow, this is a good storyline. He's about

Whatever who cares got too much to talk about.

Bron Breaker cuts the promo. It's gonna be him and Sammy Zain in a two out of three falls match next week, which I think very well could be two straight falls for bron Breaker. Then Damian Priest and JD. They had a bad finish when Finn ran in for the DQ, but this post match was great. Priest tries to beat these guys up, but it's four on one.

This was awesome.

They gotta do Rha and Tom. I know they don't like the man woman thing, but come on Ria against Dom please.

We had Eo Sky and Sonya Deville eo onon that the Heels had beaten up to kodabackstage. I was told is not hurt. I was immediately thinking she'd torn her acl again, but she did not. And then the main event was Joe Gacy, Dexter and the Vintnor against Chad Gable and the Creeds. And it was a fine match. I mean, there was no magic, there was no hocus pocus. The Babyfaces beat up the Creeds, they pinned Gable. Everybody

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So yes, that was a quite enjoyable edition of Monday Night Raw. Hell, we gotta follow up SmackDown coming up on Friday with Roman Rains. He's gonna be on the show. And we know anything else, but I do know, I do know tonight is a great American bash Knight too. We have got ethan Page versus Oromnsa, my main man Oro Mensa for the next TA title, Nathan Frazer an Acient versus Wes Lee, and Zach Wentz. That could be a title change Colonniey Jordan versus Tatum Pack next to

Oh my god. They should have a cup for that. It could be the Coffee the Joe Cup.

Joe Coffee is his name, yes.

And then he can win it and it could become the Coffee Cup. But his name is Joe. There's all of these coffee meanings here. It's amazing.

Trick Williams versus Pete Dunn and Kendall Gray versus Wren Sinclair they booked for us I think they did. And then tomorrow on Dynamite we have Brian Danielson Jeff here No d e Q with Ricky Steamboat as a special guest referee. I like that MGF versus Kyle Fletcher in a title eliminator, and Shamata versus Brian Keith because Brian seeks revenge for his broken face against the man who broke his face by threatening to break his face. Anyway,