AEW Recap/Kyle O'Reilly/New Japan

And however you're joining me today, whether that be through tune in, I Heart American Forces Radio, over the air affiliates like the Mighty or ten nineties Sports Byeline dot Com via podcast, or whether you're streaming us on Twitch dot tv or YouTube. Right now, I'd just like to say thank you for spending a little bit of time with me the same way you have all week long.

And the first thing I want to do is once again thank Kevin gil for yesterday, who was told on maybe between fifteen and thirty seconds notice by producer Dom that yeah, you're gonna have to jump in here because we're having some connection issues. By the way, had nothing to do with me. You will notice that Brian, if he was here, would be blaming me hardcore right now for that, and he would blame filthy if something happened. You know that that was out of our control. Somehow

it would become our fault. It was not our fault. It was Brian's studio. They caused all the problems, even out on the sea. He's got to cause me some heartache this week, but that's okay because once again, filthy Tom Lawler is back again with me today. So everything is going to be wonderful. Everything is going to be fine, and maybe, just maybe later on we are going to get producer Daniel to make the call and get Greg

the Hammer Valentine onto this very program. But before we do that, we have a lot of things we're going to get into today, not the least of which was a W dynamite last night with the happiest, fuzziest, warmest memories all given to me as an old Jim Crockett Jr. Pro wrestling fan from from the mid Atlantic days he were. They were in Greensboro last night and had an awesome

six man main event that certainly warmed my heart. Kyle O'Reilly warming a lot of other people's hearts by not resigning with n x T and making his debut last night and a W. We also have some other news as well. Corporal Kirshner has passed away, the former leather Face. We will talk about that as well as New Japan

and all Japan joining forces for the Kurrican. So that is going to be awesome celebrating the anniversary there uh Joshi Festivals starting also going to kick off that weekend, and we're gonna kick off everything with Filthy Tom Waller. We get back from break Wrestling Observer Live. Come, Come, Come Monday, Welcome back to the show. Mike semper VV here with your Wrestling Observer Live. You know, we do the show for an hour at a time, but if you want us four seven you can find us on Twitter.

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say thank you again for for joining us today. And I gotta start this off on a little bit of a sad note for anybody who's got a little bit of age on him, like filthy and I do. And remember Corporal Kirshner Michael James Penzel passed away at the age of sixty four. It was reported by FMW Archives Bow who FMW that Kurshner had passed away. The Lawful and Funeral Home in Liberty, North Carolina had also posted

an obituary. Kirshner started his career in training under verne Ganja and first started working in the w w F as a prelimb guy. He soon adopted the name Corporal Kirshner, which highlighted his legitimate experience as a paratrooper in the

eight second Airborne. The problem, unfortunately, with that was character wise, he was coming in right after Sergeant Slaughter, and that's why the character was developed because Slaughter had exited stage right over fees in issues over the g I. Joe deal and whether WWF was going to get a cut of that. He ended up leaving going to the a w A, the Pro Wrestling USA deal, and when that happened.

Somebody had to take on the Iron Sheet and Nikolai Volkoff in the Battle of the USA against everybody, all the four and menaces back in the day, and that ended up becoming Corporal Kirshner. Probably the high point of his career there was defeating Nikolai Volkoff in the Flag

versus Flag match at WrestleMania two. He was out of the company after that, ended up going to New Japan for a little bit before he reinvented himself as leather Face and became one of the featured outsiders in fm W. And I kinda I was never a fan that style of wrestling, certainly not back in that day at all. And plus that stuff was relatively hard to find unless you are a tape trader, which I was not at

the time either. So it wasn't until a lot later on that I got to see some of the sheer insanity that would take place, you know, probably because of mcfoley and like nine whatever it was when he came to ECW and he started, you know, seeing a little bit more that we saw some of this crazy stuff that was going on, and Tom he had a match as one of the leather faces against uh oh No and and knock a MOCKI and it was the damnedest thing I had ever seen. I can still remember seeing

it for the first time. I'm like, whatever grainy internet video footage, I ultimately saw it on of these two men power bombing oh No into a bed of nails. And I guess there's still some debate to this day over whether did they shoot on him or not, whatever the deal was, but they put him on this bed of nails. He's jumping on his chest with barbed wire boards. It's just it's the damnedest thing. Did you ever have a chance to see Kirshner at all, let alone some

of these exploits later in his career. Well, I believe I had been exposed to him through watching the I W A King of the Death matches, Stranglemania, those sort of events, But I did not see him during his heyday. I did watch the aforementioned match, the match you just mentioned against on No and Nakamaki is it um And I'll be damned if that is not one of the most uncomfortable, disgusting, horrific things I have seen in the ring.

And I've seen the Blood Hunter I've seen that sort of stuff live on until uh today's day, and Age Tom Wikipedia says you're filthy? Is that true? I don't like that guy. Sorry, okay, well, leather Face, did I throw you off? I'm sorry a little bit. Leatherface was the precursor. I guess this sort of stuff like that because I can't tell if that was real or fake. I don't know what was going on in that Super nail Hell match or whatever it was with Oo Naka Machi.

But like you said, it's not my cup of tea. I don't know whose it is. But you've got to give props to the guys who are out there, you know, putting it all on the line, uh, in those types of matches for for the fans that like that stuff wild as hell. I mean that that is for sure. I mean the Gilbert's I think it was Eddie Gilbert and Doug Gilbert for sure. They they were involved in something like that too. And it may have been FMW.

I means it was always FMW or i w A where it was like something insane was gonna happen, whether it be i w A in Puerto Rico or Japan or Mid South like somebody was gonna bleed all over the place and things were gonna be uncomfortable. And I remember they were involved in something like that too, and it was the same way. Where was there a work or shoot, they ripped off their masks, they say they quit the company, and then they looked like they about

killed the people that they were working with. So it was always absolutely absolute insanity when he comes to that stuff. And uh, unfortunately, you know, this is how I remember Corporate Curshner. It is the only other way I remember Corporate Curshner was back in the day where I was old enough to have the old like l j Endall. My son got me a Bruno, uh and I had the original one where Corporate Curshner without the beard on, just with the pose. You know that that was pretty

much all the l j N poses. They all pretty much, you know, looked like this. But uh, yeah, So the Corporate Curshner passed away at the age of sixty four years old. One of the dumb things that happened was I think we had already talked about his death on the show a couple of years ago, believe it or not, because WWD dot Com reported that he had passed away and then he had to tell them, well, no I didn't, I'm right here, and they ended upting retraction. So yeah,

that that was a couple of years ago. But yeah, oops, that's yeah not good. There was like the wrong one leg guy that the Johnny A signed, the guy from Florida instead of Zack Gwen then Steve Chamberlain, I can't remember what the guy's name was, and you know, ended up having to one leg guys on the roster. But from one side of Japan to another, the more traditional side of New Japan and All Japan Pro Wrestling which

we're thriving. When FMW was was trying to get themselves off the ground and do something, and they've both been through a lot of ups and downs since then. But they're going to be holding a joint show on April sixteen to commemorate Kraken Hall's sixtieth birthday. There's going to

be a Joshi festival taking place the day before. I'm not sure who's going to be involved there, but it's hard to believe that with New Japan being a all that stardom will not be and I'm sure there are going to be some outline groups that don't want anything to do with it, but now would be a great time, I would assume, in especially Japanese women's wrestling, to try to work together the best you can when things have been so lean there and things continue to be lean.

We don't know when how long this next COVID blast is going to and how it's going to affect things moving forward, but Tokyo Sports is reporting that these shows are going to take place on the fifteenth and sixteen.

Uh No cards have been announced, and again, like I said, nobody, nobody has been mentioned as far as the Joshi uh promotions that will be working out and taking place, but New Japan also working with Noah right now with Night three of the Russell sixteen the Russell Kingdom sixteen shows tom Obviously, there's been some banter about the New Japan Noah card in that some people are really upset that they're not going to get like single style dream matches

for the most part on those shows, and I understand, but I also understand that this maybe step one in moving forward to maybe several other shows this year. At least that's maybe I'm I'm wish casting that, but that's kind of how I looked at that, but I think in this case with all Japan, couldn't you go ahead and actually have some more you know shows with you know, some more matches with some gravitas, Well, you absolutely could.

I don't know if that's what we're gonna get. I mean, Mike, you have followed this scene as long as anybody that I know or speak to on a regular basis, and you never get these big time dream matches that you're very rarely due between the promotions. It's usually tag team matches, multiman tag matches, and that's exactly what we're gonna get,

uh in this upcoming you know, third Night of Russell Kingdom. Now, whether that leads to singles matches down the road with the champions, whether it's Nakajima, Shingo Okada, a mix of everybody in there, I don't know. You know, we could just go back to the regular role day where it's Noah versus Noah, New Japan versus New Japan, and that's what we get. But I'm excited to see either way. I'm excited to continue on with the show too, because we haven't even gotten into a w Dynamite yet with

the main event that makes old men happy. Restumes are alive, come on back on the show, Mike Simber, meet me here, Philipy, Tom Waller, Rustumes overlive, Griselda. I don't think West sight Gun is gonna come on this show, but unlike a W we'll actually acknowledge who he is or NXT did that too, But I don't watch that show. So I also can't answer the question that Tom asked me during

the break. Isn't Carmelo Hayes Michael Hayes's son, Now, I'd like to think so, well, well, when you watch as a bunch of w W as me, you sometimes have to make up your own storylines. So will you be watching? Simply a question? Uh you know, I didn't watch it last week once I realized that I didn't have to cover it on Monday, uh with Brian So uh no, And I'll tell you why. I probably won't watch it because there is a live Dynamite or not lie, but

a taped Dynamite on Saturday. And actually before that, there is the best of New Japan Strong One, which will be airing free on YouTube Live I believe at five pm Pacific, and uh you know, perhaps there'll be some notable wrestlers jumping in the old chat there on YouTube for this New Japan Strong Best of premiere. Oh m, all of team Filthy or are you going to send your minions out there to do your bidding for you? Or are you actually going to be in that chat?

Don't don't do this to the people. Don't tease them like this. Don't get them all all excited and ready and hot for something and then and then pull it back on them. Don't be that kind of heal Tom Lawler, listen, the real representatives of the West Side, whether you're packing heat or not, the West Side, the West Coast wrecking crew will probably be at the gym. And if they're not at the gym, they'll be stuffing down some turkey to get that protein in Afterwards. Danny Lime lights on

vacation in Puerto Rico and j R Crados. Do you think that guy's hands can fit on a computer or phone and use them properly? I don't think so. Filthy Tom will be repente and filthy. The sponsors paid the good money. I'll be there in the chat. New Japan Strong Best of New Japan Strong on YouTube Saturday night, Christmas PM. You gotta ask you, it's gonna be Christmas. You're gonna You're gonna have some some sort of beverage by your side here because I see that whiskey is

going to be served at Corkin Hall. That has now been decided between Kinnamaru and Yao. How do you feel about that decision making. I've been waiting to get my hands on Yao for years, and unfortunately, due to this pandemic, it doesn't seem like it's gonna happen. But I actually believe if you check an interview on New Japan's website, I believe I called out Yao for the three King of Pro Wrestling either last year or the year before,

and that is still my goal. So I predict that Yao, despite it not being suky that they're drinking in the match and it being whiskey, I think Yao is gonna pull out the victory somehow. And for those who are underway or the unaware, the year end party match between Cannamorrow and Yana will be a normal match except for the fact that wrestlers are going to be uh here this is the quote, forced to drink alcohol at two intervals. The referee will then administer a twenty count after the

shots are taken. Should either competitor not be able to respond to the twenty count, they will lose, but pinfall submission and disqualification rules still apply. Uh. This sounds like the Power Hour in college, which I, assuming that you have some experience with, I was more of an Edward forty hands guy myself to be fair. Uh do we have to explain this to kids? Now? Do they still?

Cos I don't know what you would be forced to do in the game of Edward forty hands is take to forty ouch drinks, probably a Slit small liquor or mad Dog some sort, saying I believe there were a former UFC sponsor at one point. Uh, and you would have to tape them around your forearms and hands, and you well, you couldn't take the bottles off until you

were done drinking them, and makes it very hard to urinate. Uh. The goal, of course, is to hold it as long as possible and not face the embarrassment of being Edward forty hands himself. And Dr Kiltinski went to his went to his wedding, stood in and his uh, his rehearsal dinner and all the groomsmen. We all had our our forty that we were given and I had I think

it was what was a Camo malt liquor. Was the first time I ever had Camo since where I was it was a lot of sane I's and Colt forty five, and I remember they had the sixty four ounds private stock malt liquor that was the terrible thing, and the other malt, at least with Edward forty hands. It did force you to drink it even faster, and malt liquor out of a sixty four ounces or a forty ounce bottle, I mean it got like halfway like and that was

bad enough. Although Steel Reserved. Do you remember that one when that came out? I absolutely do remember Steel Reserve? And yeah, what was the number in the bottle? Because I've worked at a liquor store and guys would come and say, give me that nine one one, and that's what they meant, because it was like they had a seven eleven in the bottle or something like that. But they didn't care. It was just that they called it. And that's true because if you drank too many you

need it, you absolutely would. I mean I felt like I drank one too many last night as I'm watching Dynamite and I see people appearing out of left field add x T and then I see all the men diving off the top turn buckle to the outside in the main event. I thought I had drink it too much, Mike, But I had it. It was just another week on a W Dynamite. Now. I'm sure you have cross paths with Bobby Fish and Kylo Riley before. I don't. I don't know where. It was like, almost like a different

lifetime ago when you had done such things there. But Mike, it's almost like I cornered them in a two thousand fourteen title win against the young Bucks who were in the very ring with them. Last night, after Kylo Riley made his debut on a W Dynamite in the opening segment in a match between Adam Cole and Orange Cassidy, a match I enjoyed very much as well as did the fans. Had a this is awesome chant going before

the finish. I thought Orange Cassie looked great. He outwrestled Cole early on the Bucks and the best friends brawled to the back. The match continued on Orange Cassidy seemingly had it in control. Outcomes Bobby Fish, That dastardly Bobby Fish, the youngster getting his TV time, only to distract the referee so that the violent artist himself, Kylo Riley could make his A E W debut. He is now all elite and seemingly in coats with Adam Cole and Bobby Fish.

I like how you call him the youngster. That's like a gorilla monsoon calling Carlos Cologne the youngster at the Royal Rumble that one he when he was out there the the well, the well seasoned Bobby Fish out there, And I gotta be honest, I I like Orange Cassidy. I No, I never have had to bet with Orange Cassidy. I thought it. I thought it did go on for a little bit too long there, even though that's a nitpick, but I do have to ask what what exactly was he doing at the end uh with the Was that

going to be a flying body press? What move could you have pulled off the top rope with the hands in the pockets like that? Was he going for the cross body? Or was Blockbuster would have been crazy? Yeah? Or Cassie was he was in control of the actually went up top, put his hands in his pockets and left off the top. It just got his head super kicked off before Panama Sunrise. Like, I don't know, Listen, people always try to nitpick things in wrestling matches. Ago

that doesn't make any sense. Well, unfortunately or fortunately, no matter depending on how you look at it. I've watched a lot of fights now where people just do stupid stuff for no reason. So I'm gonna chalk up whatever Orange Cassidy was doing to that. Why did chill saw it into a flip over Fador's back? Right? Like what is going on in some of these instances? So that to me, that was we just chalk that one up to a bad strategy, bad tactics on the part of

Orange Cassidy. Anybody not named Noohico Takata doing a dropkick in the match, I'm looking at you, Minoa Man, like, don't don't, don't do that. But I want to take it from pillar to post just in case we we get two out of line here. We'll fill in the rest of these details. But I want to take it to the main event right away because this was Greensboro, and you know, I I love this f t R. M JF Tully, Blanche Seawan Spears and Wordlow. You would

have thought, you know, they weren't. Where was Tully anyway? But Darby Allen Sting CM punk, I love this and I just I love pro wrestling, and every day we gotta sit on this show, and I gotta be on with Brian, and we gotta knit things. We got to look at things with a critical eye. We have to have Brian rant and just sap all the life out of me. Sometimes when I just don't want to ran, I don't want to ran about Raw, I don't even

want to give it any oxygen. I want to talk about things to make me happy and matches that make me happy, in situations that make me happy, and last night was one of those things. Because that was much like it Radicals d X against Too Cool, Rakishi and mc foley and the Rock match on Raw that took place in two thousand, like this was my match of the year. This was like my wrestling fan geek happiness, like point to a match that it says you know you love wrestling for, and this was it for me.

It was a really well worked match with six guys that I consider stars the best tag team in the world by far a guy that was I've watched his literally his entire career, uh and watched him grow and sting and still be out there come back from an injury that people thought he was done with Darby Allen, who's might be other than Filthy Tom Lawler the most believable person I've I've seen, going as far as making things look like they hurt and having the opposition look

like you know, they hurt them as well too. Alongside c him Punk with the great comeback, all this stuff, and I thought the spots that took place into it were awesome. And again, whether they be great wrestling spots or completely cartoonist spots, it just made for a perfect

match of pro wrestling. But we're gonna get Filthy Tom Lawler's thoughts on that match, as well as some of the other things that took place on Dynamite and maybe even Greg the Hammer Valentine if we can we can get him on the line, we'll be back Wrestlings over Alive. You're listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez and Mike semper viv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network. Back on the show, Mike Semper viv here with you alongside Philthy,

Tom Lawler. This is Wrestling Observer Live. And what we've learned during break is that we're going to probably be speaking to producer Daniel a lot more when Philthy and I host the show, because we may all have some some experiences in common and and that's something we'd like to deliver to you the people if the FCC would allow it. We'll have to work on how that will

actually come about. But back on the show. E W Dynamite last night, Uh, phil v again the main event for me, I mean the complete looney tune spot of of Punk chasing m JF the through the crowd. I mean, you have all of this ridiculous stuff. You have great work, you have throwback spots to the past, and you have six really good, really good to great workers. I mean m j F is again amazing, amazing for his age. F TR is so incredibly underrated. Although I think Dax

Horrorwood has gotten his due this year. I don't know if Wheeler gets enough of his dude. Darby Allen is is a crazy man, Punk coming back again, holding up to his end of the deal. I just thought it was a fantastic match, and again just it was just a great, fun pro wrestling match. Yeah, and a great way to end the show. There are a lot of people will will not uh probably or not a Mexican door. We got a new dog here. I don't know. Now you letting the other dogs train the dog? You know

what I'm saying? Can he get what his Can he guess what his name is? Mike? Can you guess what the new dog's name is? I will say boss Oreo, get out stop it? Orio. The kid's named Memrio. I wasn't even home black and white. We're kind of pin dog pit lab mhm. Anyways, some hard on the lab. Uh. There was a Yeah, this is like the greatest hits match in the main event for Sting, which is exactly what it should be because going into the holiday season,

it's Christmas. Who doesn't want to see the old man break out some gifts for the youngsters, and that's exactly what we got here. In the main event, Punk hit the GTS on Dax and then uh Staying followed up with the Scorpion death drop. They and Darby Allen hit the Damn disc trust Fall Coffin drop halfway across the ring,

maybe more, and they picked up the victory. You know, we talked about w W and how they go to commercial break all the time, and the fact of the matter is you need to go to commercial break in this day. Ah have a matchup for long enough. I mean, people go, oh, it could all just be picture and you don't understand how any of this stuff works when it comes to ads, and and you know what people

expect for their money when they are advertising. But the spot where Punk ran and chased m j F throughout the building and then they come back down and Darby hit I mean again to pay through the ropes on top of everybody, and it was just like the sound of it was perfect. Everything about it looked fantastic. And then they put a commercial break. It's like, well, I'll be damn you got me that that was incredible. And I thought that spot, along with Will ended up being

the scariest spot in the match. I mean, it was going to look great if if it didn't look so damned dangerous. M JF tries to d d T Sting. He does gets up, of course, Sting absolutely no sells it. MGF goes to flee Sting takes the ropes crotches him, m JF gets dragged back into the ring, gets hip tossed over the top rope. Looked like he spiked himself right on his head on the concrete, terrifying whether he broke his head, his face, his neck. He looked like

he could have been in bad, bad shape. Ended up not being in bad shape at all, at least as far as the match goes. How the swelling, if it's gone down afterwards, I have no idea, but two wild actual spots right there again, a very inventive one and then that that crazy one, the the hip dolls over the top. Yeah, and then Sting comes off with a plata off the post to the floor right after that.

And you have to give the you have to give FTR a lot of credit on that spot because if you watch closely, they are the one that essentially saved m JF from you know, crashing head first into the ground with no cushioning. They were able to get their hands up and kind of hold onto him at least a little bit, and and soften the speed of the impact. So I think a lot of credit has to go to them to be in you know, in a the right enough spot to save him on that situation because

he went flying over the top. I don't know if he was going to do a flip like you do want a hip toss, or if he you know, overshot the target, but it was essentially like the undertaker dive over the top. Uh. But he landed, you know, straight on his head and luckily it seems like he's he's okay. So the best of best wishes, uh to m JF in the light of that, it's yeah, it's that was that was terrifying. But Sting you know, comes off the top and you know immediately after that, dude, that's the

other things. It was amazing as a sixty year old sting off the top with that that five which pretty much you know again also when I think more towards Dax's side there, so it was you know, they protected MGF. MJF did get up and you have to kind of like take his word for it as he's getting up, although you know, in that situation as he can cussed whatever, but they made sure that he didn't take the brunt

of Sting coming down on top of him either. But again, this is a match that you know should you go out of your way to see it. Yeah. Actually, you know what, if you're a wrestling fan, you just like good old fun. This was a tremendous match. This was led into by Malachi Black and Griff Garrison. Griff Garrison at least has got some you know, cajones well as Brian Pillman Jr. Doesn't. He's worried about cancel culture or whatever.

Griff is worried about defending the honor of his girl and doing it in the state of North Carolina, where I didn't know he was from, but apparently he was from Winston Sale and at his letterman's jacking on and whatnot. So he goes out there and then gets, uh, doesn't get murderized by Malachi Black, and in fact gets a lot of good stuff in. And I'm sitting there watching that thinking, you know, Malachi Black can make I don't want to say anybody look good, but he's just got

so many ways he can work a style. He's such a unique look. Again, there's to me so many advantages to having a guy like that, And it's always amazed me. The w W E didn't know what to do with him, and I guess it doesn't surprise me. But man, did a w gett a winner here? I think, Yeah, I can't remember exactly the quote that I believe it was Tory Trevanna used, but he said, when Malachi Black came out, this guy looks like a movie monster or something along

those lines. And you know, that's exactly I believe the presentation. Uh, you know, it's kind of going for and I think that's how he comes off. He comes off like a superstar star caressing star. Yes. And you know, in a way, I think the misuse of him by the w W E and the kind of like start and stop push of him didn't damage him as badly because there was a lot of times where he just wasn't on TV.

You know, it wasn't like he was out there chasing seven title like some of the other guys get pushed down the card into doing and that kind of relegates them to that he would have matches, that he'd be off TV, that he'd come back and get a push, and then he'd be off TV again. And I think, you know, the fact that there wasn't like a burnout of him losing allowed him to keep a semblance of protection around him and around this character, and I think

it's really paid off. You know, he's a superstar man the injury, the advantage in being injured in w w E was they would screw up for a while and then people would forget about you, and then you'd come back and it's like, well yeah, man, like Wade Barrett. It was the greatest example of that, Like, man, they haven't gotten it right. But then you go away for a while, it's like all right, I know when they bring him back. This dude can he can talk, he can bang, he looks like all those things, and it

just wouldn't happen. It just wouldn't happen at all. And then you know he now he's in the n x T as an announcer, which I'm glad the n w A. I don't know who revived his kind of career that way. I guess it was them and then n XD signed him. But it's nice to actually hear him because I think he's really good at that too. Yeah. I don't know how we got out to Wade Barrett, but I don't know either, but we'll just go ahead and keep rewinding

back on the card and the TBS semi files. Rooby so Ruby Soho and her jacket against Nila Rose, and uh like Nila Rose can work really well with almost anybody as far as being able to be a great bass, to look like a monster to always battle against, and you know, experience is her obviously the biggest issue, you know, and that's only going to come in time, and it's only she's only going to get better working with people like Ruby Soho, and they have a great angle going

into I guess it's gonna be hurting Jay Cargo. You know, it's tough for me not to believe that. So you know the deal there of her shoulder and how she sold it and then ultimately getting the victory by having to utilize the no future out of nowhere getting dragged off the top rope, then she's able to hit her finish her in desperation to get the pin, and then

how she showed sold her shoulder afterwards. I thought it was a tremendous, tremendous performance for her, and I think it's a great way to get her and carguild together and give to meet Jake Cargil the TBS Championship. I think that would make the most sense, and it's it's a difficult thing to do when you have somebody with so little experienced, but when you have people like Deeve and Soho and Rosa and people like this, it certainly

helps to cause exactly. And I really think that putting that TBS title on Jade Cargo from a booking standpoint makes the most sense. Uh. Obviously, she's very marketable based upon her look, her abilities in the ring, and having a situation in which you have to champions which are viewed as kind of the legitimate top person in that division has paid dividends throughout time. You know, look at the i w g P Intercontinental title and how it

held prestige alongside the i w g P title. Look at the Noah j C title and the Noah National j C Championship or whatever it is, and you know, you have Nakajima and Keino with those belts and they're going to a sixty minute draw in stardom. You had the secondary champion, tam Nkno beat Tommy Hyashida during a tournament in which you know you can make the case that hyashas run down. Everybody comes after her harder, so

it doesn't ruin ruin the division. When you have two people at the top, and thunder Rosa and Britt Baker had that great match, uh the lights out match, right or no DQ whatever, it was, the unsanctioned match which thunder Rosa one. So she has that legitimate, I legitimate win over Britt Baker. Britt Baker of course is the champion, Jade Cargo undefeated, and now you have, uh, you know, kind of a log jam at the top because Jade Cargin is gonna beat thunder Rosa. Now you have more

legitimate title challengers. And if you put Ruby Soho over Jade Cargo in the title finals or even over thunder Rosa, I think you have a situation where she was the To me, she's the most recent big name challenger or big match challenger that Burt Baker's had, And there's still a little bit of um, you know, the loss is still in my mind when it comes to that as much as people, you know, and and at least for me, as much as I try to stay progressive about wrestling,

and I've tried to do that more and more, you know, over the years, and I just have soltened a lot more over more over the years. It's like as much as I like g c W, I'm still a traditionalist, hard in a lot of ways. And there were a lot of people that are complaining about the sixty minute draw, and it's like, I'm sorry, that's that's a part of the sport that you're watching. That's part of the entertainment

that you're watching. And the competition over title belts are having a claimant from outside or having a claimant from inside, multiple champions. I mean, this is still a sport that was rooted inside of a squared circle. It was still a sport that's rooted in prize fighting. Why do you want to see somebody wrestle somebody. It's either because of a personal conflict or we're doing it for money or prestige.

You know what I'm saying. We are either filthy and I are going to fight over an issue, or we're gonna fight because they're putting a purse up. And this is what we do, not what I do, but what he does and what those folks over there do. And to me, that's always going to be important and always going to be something that can be structured and be a part of wrestling. Whether other people don't like that

or not. You might have to move to something else the same way we got to move to the break here and hopefully for one last try get Greaty to Hammer Valentine on this program. Restumes are alive. Welcome back to the show, Mike simper vv here with your wrestlings

over live, Filthy, Tom Lawler here as well too. We're not gonna be here with you tomorrow, so I just want to thank you for having a great week here on the show, Filthy being here three times, Kevin Gill yesterday as well too, or on Wednesday as well too. But Filthy, are you are you ready for for Christmas? Here? And unfortunately it doesn't seem like we're going to be able to get the hammer on the show once again. We will will try again for the next time, maybe

even after a UFC show or something. Yeah, it's a bizarre he just I think he's still stuck in that figure four with the hammer jammer and he can't get out. The old boy Ronnie Garvin still stick get it to him. But we'll see if we can get them for one of our future separate Filthy shows or maybe even here on Wrestling The Observer Our Live. Who knows, Yeah, possibly maybe I don't know, but I hope everybody out there has got a safe and wonderful holiday coming up here.

If you've already celebrated Hanaka, we're a salute to that. Merry Christmas, Happy Boxing Day, and everything else. Rasha Shanna, um Quanza, Kwanza. We got kwanza. What else best? That's number one? The airing of the grievances. We didn't do that this week. Are happy about that? Are you gonna beat me in a feat of strength? Mike? I don't know, but I tell you what. Josh Briggs mentioned something when he was on about eating contests, and that's also something

that we ought to tackle coming up here real soon. Well, just like we tackled the show this week, we will undoubtedly be winners and enjoy our holidays. Mike to you, Mike to all the listeners out there, Happy holidays, and take us home. Sep. We shall talk to you again after a while. Yea, you have been listening to the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network.