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He wasn't around for the WrestleMania build, he had a terrible match in the main event of WrestleMania, and the last few weeks of the John Cena-Randy Orton feud building has been a bit repetitive. Is the John Cena heel term working? Doesn't matter, because he might be turning face. I'm Oli Davis, this is Luke Owen, DAD. Welcome to the Backlash Review episode of the WrestleTalk Podcast. If you haven't already, please.
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But this one special on Sunday. Don't make people think we're doing collision reviews on Sundays. I just meant... We have to have weekends. And this Sunday. This one Sunday. I didn't mean just this one Sunday because we will be here for... Night of Champions at the end of the month, Evolution of the week after that, yet to be announced.
Money in the bank. Money in the bank. We'll probably even talk about Double or Nothing on a Monday. Yeah, that's on a bank holiday Monday. So I am coming in on my bank holiday to review AEW. But yes, let's not... have gripes. Let's think, let's talk about John Cena. Well, I've got a gripe with you because you won't watch the post-show press conference with the best angle of the whole show. The thing is,
I had seen the post-show press conference. Well, at least that spot. I don't have time in the mornings when I'm trying to... write a 3,000 word review as well as watching the whole show I'm filming. But yeah, there's this spot where John Cena put our truth through the press conference table to cricket.
It seemed like something off an Eric Andre prank show. Yeah, you perfectly described it just before we went live. It was like a spot during the pandemic era when they would do a spot in the ring, but because there's no one at ringside... It's just... And then silence. I can't imagine that that room didn't have people laughing. Because it is a funny spot. But it's not supposed to be funny. It's supposed to be devastating. No. Of course it is. It's John Cena beating up.
the person who idolizes him the most in R-Truth. That's been a long-standing truth character. It's been a long-standing comedy. part of our show. And now we're taking it into a serious direction because that will likely be the Saturday night's main event. Yeah, that's a possibility. WWE Championship match. Yeah. Our truth. It's what we all wanted for the final year of Cena's run. Actually, it is actually quite fun. Well, let's talk about it.
this and Cena's run on the Smackdown episode we got the same segment that we've been having since Mania which is John Cena comes out he does his heel shtick and then Randy Orton hits an RKO and John Cena just has a little nap. It's crazy how devastating RKO's are. in promo segments compared to how they are in ring matches. They don't have the oomph. I think it's because Randy's wearing more clothes during the promo segments and I think they add weight.
to the RKO. And because John Cena is also wearing more clothes, he's more weighted when he falls down, so the impact is therefore harder. That's got to be it, because there's about 10 RKO's in this match. I was going to say, that was when the match actually got good. Because the first, I'd say, 10 minutes of this match were depressingly slow. So just to give the context, yeah, John Cena, he turns heel. All-time great wrestling angle.
But then he's not really around for the build to WrestleMania. And that storyline is a bit skew-iff because of The Rock. He does what? Like three, maybe four weeks of The Six between Chamber and Mania. So he was there for... more of it than he wasn't but i think it's because the rock was not also there we were sort of waiting for the shoe to the shoe to drop to be like ah
And this is why he sold his soul. And that never really came. Actually more of it came about like, I'm gonna ruin wrestling and I'm gonna be the last world's champion. And then he wins at WrestleMania 41 in... you know what many described at the time though i think it's a little case of recency bias though i think we will look back on it with these
one of the worst WrestleMania main events in the history of WrestleMania. It is a glacially slow, dreadful match. With the worst finish. With a dreadful finish, because The Rock was also not there for it, but Travis Scott was. And then, yeah, because we've had three weeks between Mania and... It's just been the same scene approach. The same Orton promo, the same Orton sneak attack. And I think going into this show, interest in backlash was quite low. And the feeling was...
I think this, I mean, I'm looking at our live chat here, was this scene of heel turn has been a complete waste. Which I think is, it's actually an overreaction, but I don't think it's been firing on all cylinders for the last four weeks. Well, we've been fantasy booking Cena's heel turn for 20 years. So those are some quite lofty expectations to realise. And to be honest, there's a lot of potential for a Cena heel turn.
and doing the same you people promo every week, while fun is getting repetitive. But, you know, of all the people who could cut a you people promo, John Cena is the most deserving. Ten years. Yeah, but also... We liked it for the last 10 years. But also I do think it is repetitive regardless of whether it's deserved or not. So yeah, people were down on it. I personally... I cannot get over the fact he's turned here. It's two and a half, three months in and I'm still every day.
I wake up in a world where John Cena's heel. And we're watching, I wrote in my notes here, I really cannot believe that I'm watching Cena versus Orton have a WWE Championship match in 2025 and Orton is the babyface and Cena is the heel.
And the crowds are reacting really well. So they come out and there's 45 minutes left of the show. I made that note here. I said, I also do not like that there are 36 minutes left of this video and Cena has yet to make his entrance. Thankfully, because entrances and introductions take age. There's 31 minutes left of the broadcast by the time the bell rings.
And they go, I think, 23, 25 minutes. A long match. This is the longest match on the card, as, you know, world title main events should be. The crowd are there for Orton. It's the St. Louis hometown crowd. They do occasionally chant Let's Go Cena, but they never chant Boo Randy Orton. It's all very positive for both guys, but weighted in Orton's favour, so it's a really good atmosphere. But the first 10 minutes, I'm not kidding.
Like, 40% rest holds. When they, when Orton, the face, got a chin lock in. in three minutes and held it for like 20 seconds. I thought, what? No, no, no. Are they trolling me? It's a scene or a match. The thing that surprised me the most about this match... is that it was nothing like the Cody matchup mania. Which makes me feel like they've pivoted. Huh. Because that seen a matchup mania that the coding matchup mania was people said it was like a meta
I'm going to ruin wrestling. This is a meta commentary on I cannot wrestle. So I'm gonna do everything as slow as possible. Slow shoulder tackles. It's slow. That little spinning slam thing he does. The slow 5-0. I'm going to do double axe handles. basic wrestling moves as slowly as possible because that'll get me the heat. Here, it was just like watching Randy Orton vs John Cena in every Randy Orton vs John Cena match you have ever seen. It's slow, it's fairly plodding, and it's...
Well, for 10 minutes it was. That was my point. And at the 10 minute mark, that is when we got the first finish. And then it was a finisher a second pretty much. So Cena reversed an RKO into an AA. And out of nowhere, the crowd go from, you know, doing the let's go Cena, Cena sucks chance. This is awesome. I think the WWE have figured out and the wrestlers themselves have figured out if you do a double down.
the crowd will chant this is awesome regardless of what has happened whatever the spot was before it if you do a double down if WWE fans see two wrestlers lying in the ring They will chant this is awesome. And if they see four wrestlers, a quadruple down, oh my god. But I never got on board with what you said. You know, this interpretation that Cena was on purposely doing bad rap.
As a meta commentary on it. I wouldn't say I'd fully say that either. That's the theory. But I think that's a very reaching theory. I don't think WWE goes out to put on a bad show. unless it's to make The Rock look bad. Which is why the finish was put the way it is. We're all confirmed on that now. But this is what they want. This is what they want for every one of Cena's lives.
He's limited. He's older. He was never a good wrestler in the first place. So all the smoke and mirrors. And that's what they had. They had 10 minutes of really, really nothing because it gives... Sometimes, this is a Stalin quote, In the same week, am I gonna put over Vince McMahon and quote Stalin? Yeah, I am. Truly is a new era. I'm a man of the people. The quantity is a quality all of its own.
And you can kind of say it about Okada matches as well. Not much happens in the first half, but that sort of... sense of endurance of just sheer epicness of it. lends the match a certain prestige. The difference is Okada is setting things up in those first ten This was just nothing. John Cena did an STFU that I think might be his worst one ever. But they called it an STFU. Yes, which, you know, confirmed that is now the name of the move. There was so much room in that STFU.
Michael Cole had to call it out and say, I don't think it's got all of it. but randy's selling this move like he has and i'm like man if michael cole is calling out It's not a snug STFU. By John Cena's standards, that's not a snug STFU. I thought it would be impossible to not get a snug STFU on Randy Orton, given the size of the man's neck these days. I think that's why he's trying to give him more room. He's like, I don't want to actually hurt you.
But I've got to be honest, after that first 10 minutes, and I was worried because we'd just had the bad Cody match, which wasn't bad. And then this was nothing. I was like, oh God, is it going to be the same all the way through from that first AA onwards? The crowd were already electric, but then it just clicked because all they did was finishers, ref bumps, officials running down, and this is exactly what they should be doing. This!
It's sports entertaining. It's, you know, it's the Attitude Era finish. It's a schmarz. Like, I think someone earlier in the chat described it. It's like, it's every Jeff Jarrett finish you've ever seen, but slightly more competent. And like, this is... possibly, and I might need to go back and check this out, one of Cena's best singles matches, like, since the Roman match, maybe? Since the AJ Rumble match? Like, this was... I had a lot of fun with this, because all it was...
Was them just hitting finishes on each other? And then the crowd did help this a lot, much like Backlash France and Backlash Puerto Rico. Just like Oli say this in the predictions. You certainly did. The live crowd will amp this up because it's local town boy Randy Orr. So I did find this. It is the most I probably could have enjoyed a John Cena, Randy Orton match in 2025. Like, you know, and I had epically low expectations going into this. And they were met and exceeded.
Yeah, and that, like, what more can you ask for? That 48-year-old John Cena... Who's not very good in the ring. You can get that much fun and sort of not mocking fun either. This is sincere, having a lot of fun fun. Yeah. with Randy Orton. I mean, when he started a little RKO party to like Nick Aldis and Gregory Helms. Let's just run through just quickly what happened. So there was an excellent...
RKO out of nowhere on the second Cena shoulder tackle. Love that one. Like going for the second is so smart because people are conditioned for that to happen at the third. You never think it's going to happen on the second. But yeah, so there's a ref bump because Cena pushes Auden into the ref. Cena goes to use the title, but Randy hit the RKO. He did his little shush motion. Then they go outside. Auden prepares the announce table. Ref bump again. That ref is now dead because he had recovered.
then we got an AA onto the table, which Cena bounced off of. Yeah. And then it broke. Yeah, it's weird. We were talking about this when they brought in that new desk on the Netflix episode. We were like, man, it's a reinforced commentary desk. The first time that breaks, it's going to be this big epic moment.
And unfortunately it wasn't. Is this the first time it's been broken then? I think it's the first time they've done a table break spot since they introduced the reinforced one, yeah. What stuff happened at Mania? Am I wrong? Didn't people go through it at Mania? Well, anyway, my big joke on the... that even the table was working slow. Apparently it did happen. Oh, Roman and Punk put Seth through it.
That was a big moment. That was a big moment. So big, we all remember it. Like a man in orthopedic shoes, I stand correct. So Orton's like, F that. He gets another table because he knows how to be a baby face. And he, AA's Cena through that one as well. And then that's when I was like, oh, I wonder how long it's been since I last checked. 10 minutes have gone by. since the first time. I was like, that felt like three minutes. Incredible.
And that's when there's another ref bump, and that's when we get all of the officials running down. Randy hits an RKO for a 20 count, so a full-on visible pin, but Nick Aldis and the officials are concerned about the two dead refs. that's when you got your RKO party yeah it was really fun basically you just hit all the officials with RKOs it was great including Aldous yeah so that continues
Their pre-WrestleMania tiff. They have to be having a match. They've got to be, yeah. SummerSlam, maybe, I don't know. One of them, you know, you could say, well, it's because Owens was injured. They just had to do something big in that moment. But a second RKO to Aldous. And he'll be blaming him because he didn't win the title. But that wasn't the only interference. It wasn't really interference there. I mean, it was. He stopped him doing the punch.
Well, I mean the officials. But then Orton is getting ready for the punt. He's tried to hit the punt a few times. I thought we might see it. Even though it's kind of one of those banned moves. But R-Truth stopped him because they've been running those R-Truth in support of Cena skits. on Smackdown that let Cena hit a low blow and a belt shot to retain as his new finisher. I like that as a finish. I said this on the Prediction show, that should be his finish for every single world title match.
because that way when Cody does it That's going to mean more. Cena's face when the referee counted three is just pure disdain. He's so good at performing this. I read someone's comment where I was like, I'm not enjoying this Cena here. because it's Cena playing a heel. He's not really a heel. And apparently that's what Bret Hart once said. I should verify this, but apparently Bret Hart once said he doesn't know if John Cena could ever be a good heel because he's too nice a guy in real life.
I don't know. I don't need people to be actual jerks to play bad guys. I'm really enjoying Cena's performance. He's an actor. Like, you know, and he acts in parts. He acts in moves. So if he could not act as a heel or as a babyface, I'd have quest- So afterwards Cena says, cut the damn music. I don't need music. I need competition. This is what the last real champion looks like.
I thought they were building an angle there. I thought that's when we're going to get the next challenger, like a... but instead he just walks out and the crowd are booing him because that's the done thing but then they start to chant thank you Cena because We are all aware he's playing a part. This is his last year. This is his last time in St. Louis. This is the last time facing his storied rival Randy Orton. And at the end,
Cena looked like he smiled a bit at the thank you Cena charts. Yes, that's been the sort of the topic du jour from online is this idea of like, is this John Cena realising character-wise? John Cena realising that this heel turn is not the direction his final year should be going in and these are the little seeds that are being planted for his eventual babyface turn which you know I've discussed quite a lengthy idea that
You know, are you going to do this big heel turn? Maybe you run it through into the summer, but you kind of want to end his career as a babyface. You know, the all-conquering and the all-cheering John Cena. And over the, you know, when I said, like, oh, maybe they'll run it through to the summer, a lot of people in the comments were like, what, you want to do this epic heel turn and end it four months later, which I think is actually a very credible arc.
And it has made me think that maybe we will just run this until the end of the year when Cody wins the belt, maybe on that last Saturday night's main event. in Boston when he has his, you know, was it the TD Garden? Yeah, yeah. In Massachusetts. In Massachusetts. And that'll be the Cody match, and that's when you can, you know, win the title. Cody wins the title back with a low blow and a belt shot. You could do it earlier than that.
But Sean Ross Sapp on the Fightful show said that he doesn't know for certain, but his assumption is it's less seen of planting seeds and more just the real... realizing that this is the last time he'll be wrestling.
is the last time he'll be wrestling against Randy Orr for the WWE Championship. And you kind of sort of let your emotions come out of you a little bit. That's when you sort of drop that kayfabe moment. I think that's what it is. I'll add another one, though, because I think Cena is too much of a professional. The crowd are chanting thank you, Cena, after they've just been booing him and he's beaten the hometown boy. It's that smile, actually.
so fickle just like I called you out for could also be that good point um So he obviously calls out competition. We're of a very strong opinion that CM Punk is going to be the challenger at Money in the Bank. Yeah. It makes so much sense. It makes too much sense to not. Punk's got a segment announced for Raw on Monday, where I hope he goes, look, I know I'm in this feud with Brombreaker and Seth Rollins, but I'mma pause that for a moment, because Jon...
I'm coming for you. I think it's Punk and Bron at Saturn. Okay. But also, Cena, I think he's been announced for Saturday night's main event. Yeah, I think so. Where... Who could he face there? And we were sort of thrown around the idea of R-Truth. I mean, that's one that makes the most sense. You did the angle, you did all these angles on SmackDown, these backstage segments where R-Truth is playing up the character that he has been, you know, for the past.
John Cena was his childhood idol just by the fact he's about 10 years older than Cena is. That's the car. So you should pay that off in this Cena final run, particularly with Cena as a heel. And rather than do that on a big pay-per-view, you do it on Saturday night's main event. And I think that's a good space to do that. Do it as a throwaway match just to be like, well, that was nice that we ticked that off the list in Cena's final year before we move on to what should be the much bigger pro.
it's him and Punk for Money in the Bank. I also think it's a great heel way to waste one of those appearances. You know, all the dates he's got left, what is it, like 23, 24 now? Yeah. And he can just come out. referee gets distracted. I think don't do a long match, just almost immediately. deck shot, title shot. one, two, three
Boom. 23 dates left. I will disagree with society only because I think there will be some entertainment in seeing because part of Truth's routine is to do the John Cena shoulder tackles and you can't see me. So just Truth doing that to Cena. I think it's almost too good of an opportunity not to do. The only thing I would feed back on to Triple H is I saw... They were building some level of family involvement.
Our first match, yeah. Yeah, particularly in the promo and they add it in the video package. Cena's like... He mentions his family, doesn't he? Well, yeah. He was talking about Bobo. And, you know, because I'm going to ruin the legacy of this title. I'm going to take this home. You know, and the Orton's were a big part of the WWE Championship legacy, particularly, you know, with Randy.
And they even showed earlier in the night clips of Saturday night's main event where cowboy Bob Orson was in the main event with Hulk Hogan. So it really did feel like they were setting up. something with Cowboy Bob. He's still with us, right? Yeah, I checked. I was like, I don't want to be trying to fancy book a match that can't happen. But instead, I've just got Lyra's
fiance. Yeah, LJ Cleary getting onto a show. Congratulations. I'm glad LJ Cleary showed up. But yeah, that's... I thought I had a really good time with it. And yeah, you were lessened to show for all. Well, yeah, I mean, I thought backlash show for all, you know, we'll go into the matches a moment after we've done some extra chats. Broadly, I thought this was a very...
skippable and missable show. Like, if you tuned into Raw the following night, you will not have missed much. You'll get that little recap package, and you'll be like, okay, there's not really anything to go out of my way for. Sorry? Jeff Cobb would probably be the only thing. The only actual thing that affects future continuity. to see exactly yeah and unless of course and i you know i know that these people do exist you are of a certain generation and a certain age that grew up with xena and
If that is your WWE Championship rivalry that you've got so much nostalgic attachment to, then you want to see Backlash because it is the last time. I feel like, you know, if I knew that WrestleMania 19 was going to be the last time I'd see Rock and...
I wasn't watching wrestling at that point, but I would go out of my way to watch that match knowing this is the last time you're ever going to see these two in the ring together. So for a certain generation and certain age of people, this is their rock and awesome. So I totally get it from that perspective. And that's why young people are such a problem makers. but for me personally I got... kind of not a lot out of this show. It was very skippable, it was very missable.
Totally fine. You know, good matches. The Fatal 4-Way was dead good. Lyra and Becky was dead good. But I'm seeing dead good matches on Raw and SmackDown and NXT every week. Dynamite has the same problem and Collision. If you're putting five-star matches on TV, you've got to find a new way to differentiate those five-star matches on pay-per-view. So kind of just having good matches is not really enough to make a pay-per-view or a PLE worth watching.
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Let's see what you all think in your chat gables. WrestleTalk.com forward slash support. Read out every single one over five US dollars. Real Double J writes, Let's applaud Oli for his dignity and restraint when reviewing the last Orton Cena match. when I don't have to So... To all my fellow fans watching for 20 plus years, We did it. Light the beacons. Kiss your partners and hug your children. We have got to the end of the era. It's time to celebrate like it's the end of Return of the Jedi.
to those who say it's not that bad, or not to sound too much like your PTSD war vetter and uncle drinking whiskey in the corner. You weren't there, man. Now we can all look forward to that nostalgic stare down between them at WrestleMania 70, shake hands, and then announce the crowd capacity for the first Mania on the Moon. and celebrate by firing Vince's ashes out of a cannon directly into the sun. It's what he would have wanted after all.
Yeah, and there are other people of a different age and a different generation who did not enjoy Cena vs Orton's lengthy, boring run of matches. Did you know when they had their first match? Actually, I looked this up. Outside the Brian Pillman Jr. one? That was. Brian Pillman Jr. Brian Pillman. Brian Pillman actual. Yeah, that memorial show. It was the fourth Brian Pillman memorial. It was in 2001. Wow. That they had their first match. And it was the proto.
John Cena versus Randy Orton. It's like middle of the card, headlined by, actually I opened this up earlier, Hardee's Edge and Christian and two lads. because it was during the invasion. Oh, weird. Cena and Autumn are wrestling in the invasion. That was what I thought. Here's another fun fact for you. Paul Heyman's fiancé wasn't born. Okay. Kazoo writes, it was the most seen at an autumn match ever, but with a modern WWE coat of paint.
which means being overbooked as hell. I've seen all of their matches, so I knew what I was in for. Seven out of ten. I was sports entertained. This is for the ruthless aggression kids. It's an end of an era match. I push back on that. I don't think this was the most seen at an autumn match ever. Because I've seen all of the Cena-Orton matches and they're boring with crappy finishes and they don't get exciting. This had 15 minutes of real good excitement in.
Overthinker, Rock's weird poop. Rock's weird poop kinda matched what Triple H was doing. Well, Cody Tan probably would have taken us all the way to Mania. I don't know. I think we put most of the blame on Rock, but it should have gone to Triple H. Well, we kind of dive into this, didn't we, on our little bonus podcast that we did over... dot com forward slash WrestleTalk. The Rock.
interview that he did with Pat McAfee where he effectively buried Triple H's creative and be like, hey, I gave you the greatest heel turn ever and then you did such a bad job with it I'm now going to come on Pat McAfee and be like, it's not my fault, bud. Yeah, it's
I don't know. I don't know. I'm quite an awesome maker of that comment there. Well, should we get into the rest of the show? Please keep getting in your chat gables to WrestleTalk.com forward slash support. We'll read out every single one over five US dollars. The opening match was the fatal four-way for the US Championship of Jacob Fatu defending against LA Knight Dre McIntyre as I've written in my notes and Damian Priest.
So this is two WrestleMania singles feuds, Drew versus Damien versus Fatou, and Fatou and Knight combined into one four-way. So a good use of the backlash. And it gives it a fresh coat of paint. And it was a really fun, chaotic match. Yeah, really good. When we went into this show, we were like, oh, there's no stipulation.
And someone said, well, they've got Fatal 4-Way. I was like, that's just more people. But it does mean there's an ODQ element, which meant we could get some hardcore spots in the crowd. Yeah, I had a great time with this match. Really, really good. This crowd were... super into Jacob Fattig. He's so cool! He is cool and he's awesome and like they are very much and it's probably why they're not doing it with Dominic Mysterio.
Because they're definitely doing it with Jacob Fatou, this idea of like, he was the heel that is being turned baby-faced by this crowd, so he will be leaving the heel faction to go up against the old heel faction. recruits. But yeah, this crowd were massively into Jacob Fatu, to very much the expense of everyone else. And while they were into the other four guys, the other three guys rather, not to the same degree that people wanted to see Jacob Fatu retain this title and be...
There are very few, well, maybe it's getting more common, but this was very much my childhood experience. I just wanted to see my face. I just wanted to see them win, to see them hit moves. That's all I wanted. I didn't care about storylines and bum bum bum. That's why I watched Sunday Night Heat. And now, you know, I feel like my adult fandom is more like, what direction are they going to go in? But there's a couple of newer guys in WWE, Brom Breaker and Jacob Fatu, probably at the top.
I just want to see them hit their moves and be cool. And Fatou, it's so good like that. With Dominic Mysterio, they definitely made the right choice because as big as that pop was, It was an ironic babyface. I'm going to push back on that because he was being cheered more than Penta was during their match. But it's ironic. I don't see where the babyface Dominic character...
Like, how does that path play out? Well, this is the... I mean, I was going to bring this up when we get to the Dominion match. You don't have to change his character. You don't have to turn him baby. but you can pull back on the whiny heel stuff that he's doing backstage.
So that you can, like, we, like, I am going to be a baby face on screen, but I'm not changing anything about my character, because that is what people like about him. Well, maybe he could be sort of an Eddie Guerrero, Latino cheat. Yeah. Does the more comedy spots of... Chuck the chair in the ring and takes the bump himself. But yeah, Fatou here, there was one brilliant sequence where...
I can't remember what he hit first, but then he hit a dive outside, ran back in the ring, swan-ton. It's because, um, so Drew was doing that thing where he's like in the tree of wine and he crunches up, grabs Jacob Fatu overhead. and then Jacob lands there, gets up, hits a dive. It was so great. My favourite bit of it was when out of nowhere LA Knight hits the BFT on Fatou and then Damien Priest grabs LA Knight south of Heaven Chokeslam immediately.
Claymore by Drew and Priest just like spins around and falls into the pin. And Drew, that's my favourite bit of this, he suddenly realised during the two count what had happened. And he's like, oh no! That was immediately after the Fatou run. It was such a hot sequence in the whole match. So good. And then they sort of pair off. You have Priest and... Well, actually, Drew hits a claymore on night.
Damien could not have waited a nanosecond longer to pull out the referee for that count. My God. I think the crowd even chanted three. Three. It was so close, but I don't think it actually hit. But Drew and Priest brawl through the crowd. And priest gives him a south of heaven off this sort of platform thing through a table. Apparently, Drew hit his head on the concrete. So he has been checked out for a concussion. Out. Triple H said that he's totally fine. Bit banged up.
Triple H has said stuff like that before in press conferences. I mean, from Triple H's sake, I'd imagine he'd certainly, A, obviously always wants his talent to be okay. But I think the direction they're going to be going in is Druid Fatou.
for the u.s title as the the next program because they had the stare down moments in this match which i think was there to say to the tell you the audience this is the direction we're going to go but certainly because drew was screwed in this match he should be the us champion but damien priest
So we can tie up and have another match between Damien and Drew, which I'd imagine Drew will win again. And then he can go on and have a match with Jacob Fatou one-on-one. Because that's Drew's whole deal, right? It's always people screwing me out of winning. Yeah. and sometimes himself. Well, that's it. That's what he doesn't really ask. It's always somebody else's. So you've taken out Priest and McIntyre in this very spectacular way, which means it's just Knight and Fatu.
over the US title now, just like at WrestleMania. And at night, he's going to hit a elbow off the second rope, off the top rope, to the announce table outside. But Solo Sokoa pulls Fatou off of the... Boo! Fatou doesn't really know what's going on. He's performed in quite a good way. Night comes after Solo and then over the barricade, this meat hook of a laryng-
Jeff Cobb hits LA night. And yeah, it's Jeff Cobb. He's shown on the screen. People reacted. Yeah, Michael Cole even said that's one of the hottest free agents in pro wrestling is Jeff Cobb. Oh, he said Jeff Cobb by name? Yeah, by name. I'm pretty sure he did, yeah. And yeah, apparently he's been signed since before WrestleMania. They were just waiting for the right time to bring him in. But Sean Ross Abbott reported that.
it was going to be bloodline related. That was the pitch that had been made for him. Yeah, just waiting for the right time. Good to have him on the books. Well, it's to say we're making a mosque come back from Japan. Just in case, we might need you to do some press. for the Royal Rumble that you're not in. Yeah, that you haven't surprise debuted on for Backlash, just in case. Just in case. The thing that we are alluding to here is that... Jeff Cobb was an active tag team champion for New Japan.
And WWE signed him, meaning that he couldn't drop it. Which is, you know, that's bad wrestling practice. But, to be honest... The same thing with Stephanie Becker. Yeah. To be honest, New Japan... Why do you keep getting into these contract situations? Jeff Cobb, you... He wasn't the champion. When he was under contract, his contract expired.
They gave him the tag team title. Surprise you, bro. You never know. He might resign. But then he was a champion without... out a contract and then they found themselves in that position like you know they effed around and they found out but they could have effed around and it worked out for them because they might have like hey look we've given you the tag titles and he's like hey do you know what maybe i will resign with new japan pro wrestling and not go
It could have happened, it didn't, and it's the most nuj- It's very exciting, though, because Jeff Cobb is fantastic. Fatou went on to retain after that, but he looked very annoyed and blindsided by this development. So Solo did not consult. Jacob Fatu. Yeah, in some way, Judgment Day, we're not consulting Finn Balor on the direction of, you know, the plans that the group had.
Solo definitely did not tell Jacob this was the direction. And I think Jacob, I thought he was very good in the selling of all of this. Because I think he probably realizes, huh, That man that I love has brought in someone to replace me. Yes. You brought in another meaty bloke to be your right-hand man. But I think... You know, the whole point of the bloodline is these are people in the bloodline. Look, I know you had Paul Heyman, I know you had Sami Zayn. Paul Heyman!
But they haven't been part of Solo. Solo has just had the Tongans so far and Jacob Fatu who are all regarded as part of the NOI larger family.
Jeff Cobb. Nope. He is as related to them as Sami Zayn is. Yeah. He is not Samoan. He's not part of the... There's no sort of Tongan... uh blood brother relationship at the top of the family tree the rock doesn't consider jeff cobb's roommate and uncle you know this is just to him a guy a guy and A lot of the Bloodline faction is, you are pre-vouched because you are part of our family that exists outside of this racism.
Fat 2 has every right to be really annoyed because this is a huge change of recruitment. I think this is going to be part of the story. That Cobb's not part of the family. He's not part of the bloodline. I mean, are they still really the bloodline at this point? Because it's not like the G.O.D. have been around wrestling a bunch because...
Tonga Loa's injured. And I think Tama's injured as well. Yeah, they've not been around, so it doesn't really feel like the bloodline had been a faction on TV. But I do think this will be part of the story. You are not part of this bloodline. and maybe that'll be why god split away from them and this is kind of the end of that fact Well, it's really exciting. And if it's building to a Jeff Cobb, Jacob Fatou match. I imagine it will. That is enormously excellent.
had an enormously meeting. After that, we got Becky Lynch versus Liar of Valkyria. Now, we've both been down on the build because they ran through about years of storyline. in 24 hours of Wrestlemania it was essentially I know some people have taken issue with our thoughts on it I said this in the Raw podcast last week. It's because it's been very surface level stuff. And it is that...
Oh, well, you know, they have got a friendship. You've got to go back to the NXT women's diddly-doo. I get it, but it's all very... 2023, that was, by the way. It's all surface level. she was my mentor and now she is not. But I do think the promo work that they have done has been quite good, particularly for Lyra and trying to give her more mic.
But I feel that there was a good story they could have done here. They just very much rushed through it in this 24-hour period, really just so they could have the Becky moments at WrestleMania and then the Becky moments on the Raw. That said, This was a very very very Very good. But there's...
might be the best match on the show, really, in ring. I think of the four-way for me. The four-way was really exciting, but, you know, I look at the four-way and I'm just like, yeah, all these guys I love, who had a lot to work with, did really well with a killer angle at the end. Becky and Lyra
Pretty cold for me going in. And by the end of it, I'm like, you have made Lyra feel like a proper star out of this. She feels really credible. She won, which was unpredictable, which was something I felt was missing from the card. when we were going in and it's given me the story through through their physicality in the ring not through the promos because it's that's just been function
They have actually communicated to me and got me hooked in their feud. And that is what wrestling should do. A really, really good match that this was. I actually thought at one point LJ Clearer was going to be part of this. Because Becky got in the face of Lyra's, I think, fiancé. Except fiancé on commentary. Yeah, I was going to say, I don't think that.
But there's LJ Cleary. That's my first night I have this match. Is that LJ? Just like sat at ringside. You have said LJ Cleary quite a few times now. I don't know what that is. So he is a wrestler. on the Irish independent scene, like OTT and stuff, are very prominent.
fixture of the Irish wrestling scene. A very, very good wrestler. And I kind of feel bad for him a little bit as well because he wasn't there as LJ Cleary the wrestler, so he's not there with his shirt off looking as jacked as he actually is. I saw someone said that he looked like the webmaster of a Facebook page dedicated to wrestling news. And because he was there in his regular clothes and stuff. So I kind of feel a little bit better.
Because he's also a really nice guy, if I can understand. It's also Becky going over to someone's family. He'll Becky going over to a family member at ringside. Yeah. Oh, okay, this is. There's an angle going to happen, but maybe that's a setup for a future bit. She gave Lyra so much here. All the people who criticize Becky for being Becky Ho. elements of that I felt a bit as well during our whole Wrestlemania comeback 24 hours but this shows to me
Totally not the case. She made Lyra, she went so much out of her way to make Lyra look great. Kicked out of two man slams. Manhandle slams. Manhandle slams. It's a very cumbersome finishing name. The thing I think was great about...
in terms of putting over Lyra Valkyria. It's not just that she kicked out of two manhandle slams. It's actually that the story going into this was kind of the predictability that Becky was going to win and that's what they played into within this match was that Becky kept hitting these moves to be like aha and now I've pinned you and then Lyra kept kicking out so Becky was like
Okay, but okay, I'll go get a chair. Okay, well, I'll go get the thing. Okay, I'll get my finish again. Okay, I'll try and look at my... But everything she tried and they very much put over the end of the match that Lyra...
survived the match, really. She just refused to be beaten in this match. Becky Lynch hugely underestimated Lyra Valkyria throughout this match, and that's ultimately what... because at the end of this match Lyra was barely standing I know that Becky beat her down afterwards but even before the beatdown Lyra was the one who was on the wobbly legs and Becky was the one standing tall but she got too cocky and was too cocky in throughout
that it cost her. And I think that fed Becky flipping at the end because she was furious. Because she's supposed to win. She's Becky Lynch. She's supposed to win. Which makes her heel character far more interesting. We're getting to see some actual substance to it as opposed to, I've turned up now, boo me now. Because that's all we've had. I also liked how WWE played with our own expectations. because as soon as she kicked out of the Manslam, I was like, oh, that's ridiculous.
as soon as she kicked out of the manhandle slam. I was like, oh, okay, there's your spot to protect Lyra in defeat. Me too. And then she gets like this visible, visual pin when the referee was. Faff him with the exposed turnbuckle. There's the way to protect Lyra in defeat. And then Lyra wins. Home run for me, this was. Yeah, really enjoyed it. Then we got Penta vs. Dom, which had the blue Penta variant, if you were looking to collect that member. And it's sort of...
Just a standard match. I don't know how long it went, but not that long at all. Dom hit a few cool moves. Suicide dive into a DDT. He hit the Oblivion, as a reference to Liv Morgan, but then a Canadian destroyer from Penta has brought out Carlito to distract the referee. JD McDonough appears to hold Penta's arms behind his back, and Finn Balor's going to hit him. He's like...
No, wait a second. Let me get a chair. I've got a better plan. Slower than a John Cena movement. Gets the chair and then the referees cottoned on to what's happening. And he goes to eject all of the judgment day from the ring. Yeah. More teases of Descent Within the Judgment Day. And not just more teases, the same tease. Well, this is it. And that's kind of what I mean about this being a miserable show. Bloody hell advance this story because we have been in this same chapter
for so long, and I'm very bored of reading this. It's like Tolkien is writing this thing, and he wants to spend four pages writing about the chair that he picked up. Oh, yeah. And I am done with this. I will shout out Wade Barrett, though, because I thought he was very, very funny on commentary. Because Dominic's thing is, 20 seconds after he won the title, he was like, I'm the greatest ICA champion of all time. And that is his gimmick. I'm the greatest ICA champion.
Michael Cole's like, how can he say that? Hall of Famers have won that title. And Wade Barrow's like, who aren't? And Michael Cole's like, well, yeah, you're a man who has held this title. Do you think he's the greatest of all time? He's like, well, at this moment, I think he's probably neck and neck with me. Yeah. But the Daddy Dom didn't actually win all by himself and clean. He had that stuff. And then behind the referee's back, he was ejecting judgment day.
El grande americano, that swine, came out from nowhere. Was he from under the ring? Or did he come through the crowd? We don't know. And he hit Penta with the loaded mask. Dom get the win. Yeah, I think that's the other criticism I've seen against this show, which I do think is very fair.
four of the five matches had an interference finish. Yeah. Which makes it feel less like a PLE where things properly blow off. Yeah. And more like an episode of TV. Yeah. And even within the Becky Lara one, which is the only one that didn't have... There was a lot of schmozing around with chairs and exposed turnbuckles and stuff. Not a lot of like clean finishes too. Pat McAfee and Gunther.
Michael Cole tried to cheat on Pat's behalf. He held down Gunther's leg. So next up we got Pat McAfee versus Gunther where Michael Cole said he had to apologise before this match begins because... For the first time in his career, he's gonna be biased. where you remember you heal Michael Cole. It's just, I get you want to make this emotional, and it works for them.
But I thought part of Triple H's reign was to acknowledge everything that happened. You can't cherry pick. Say Seth Rollins turned heel f***. Ten years ago remember that but don't remember this also happened then I think the difference here is that that was called playing a carrot What Cole is doing here is letting his true emotions as the IRL Michael Cole be unbiased. Oh, come on! You don't believe that, though? That's not even a defence that's reaching so hard. I very much believe that.
So this was Gunther versus Pat McAfee, and I think it should have probably been five minutes shorter. Half the length. Yeah. So 14, 15 minutes. Randy, this is... It was a seven and a half minute match. It was an eight minute match with a couple of minutes and an ad break. And it was just Gunther. dominating Pat. I don't think Pat really ever got a proper offensive move on him. He got a couple of hopes. They're super cute.
Are you kidding me? He got some super kicks in. Yeah, but Gunther just kind of stood up after it. Well, that's it. It's like Gunther was never shown to be in trouble, but Pat had his hope spots within there. He got near falls on Gunther with the assistant of Michael Cole. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he got one near fall and that was because Michael Cole had
And this was a good narrative throughout the match because you don't just have the action in the ring. You've sort of got this extra layer of emotion with Michael Cole on commentary. And Wade Barrett takes over the announcing duties. Pretty much totally. Yeah. Did you also think that he sounded just like Dave Bradshaw? I did it at the time. Because he had to do the gruff voice, excited comment. It's like listening to Dave doing this. And Cole takes his headset off and he's like cheering.
Pat McAfee on when he's in, was he in like a Boston Crab? And that was really effective. Yeah, I think that was my other note I would have about this match is that Pat survived far too much of Gunther's offense. There are babyfaces on the WWE roster that would not survive as much of Gunther's offense as Pat McAfee, the common...
But then Gunther just grabs Michael Cole, gets him in the ring, goes to powerbomb him. But that gives Pat the opening still a little bit of a hope spot. But yeah, ultimately, I'm going to sneeze. That's it. Bless you. Oh, God, that felt good. I sneeze right into Barry's face for podcast listeners. I'm wearing a Barry Oake t-shirt. which no one has commented about on the news. Do you know why? It's because Barry from EastEnders is quite a specific reference.
Like, you need to... You need to keep talking about kids TV shows I've never heard of from the 80s. That's because they're a bit more global in terms of our- Barry from EastEnders isn't! Yeah, and also it's not like you're wearing a t-shirt that says Barry from EastEnders, you're wearing a Barryoke t-shirt which is a niche within the Barry from EastEnders niche. who's he dressed up
I mean, it looks like Andrew WK. Does that give you a clue? But it's Meatloaf. Because it says Baz out of hell. Yeah, that is more Andrew WK than it is Meatloaf. I want to get in book for my wedding. It makes me so happy. Have I sat down? Have I sat down and engaged? Don't have to share everything with you guys. That's what happens when you're not on social media to announce things like that. But yeah, if you're listening, Barry...
You know, please, let's make this happen. My partner doesn't want it to happen. Thank you very much. Someone in the chat is there. Extenders is not a global... But the Americans watch Great British Bake Off. Do they not go back and watch English soaps from 2000 to 2004? I would imagine that. For example, I am from the UK. I am from England. I have grown up in a time where Barry from EastEnders was a thing. I did not know that he did a thing that was called Barry.
Yeah, well, that is a deep cut. Which is why no one's commenting on your smacking t-shirt. But it's crazy you hadn't seen the bowls. The Bowls singing segment on YouTube. That is a genuine British viral meme. I will say we were a Corrie house. So it could just be a case of... I've never seen Barry from EastEnders in anything related to EastEnders. I've only ever seen Barry from EastEnders in things where he is making a joke that he is Barry from EastEnders.
most famously I haven't seen that show either but like you know in other things that I can't give you an example of now well this isn't too if it was Vera Duckworth then maybe I'd have been more on board This isn't to get away from how I thought effective the Pat McAfee versus Gunther match was. I just simply wanted to talk about Barry from EastEnders for a bit.
the more happy that I have. I don't think that was wasted time. Arthur here. We're going to do it anyway. We're going to do it anyway. We're going to do it anyway. That has made Ollie's day. We're going to do it anyway. Bye. Something inside so strong. Please, if you do anything else, obviously go watch the control freaks. But other things we want to promote. Barry from EastEnders performing at the 2014 British Bowls Championships where he gives it his all for something inside so strong.
to a crowd of bored pensioners. Yeah, it was about as silent as John Cena giving R-Truth an AA in a WWE Backlash post-show press conference. I was like, was this recorded in the pandemic? No! There's about 400 people there. Sorry, yeah, so Pat McAfee, Gunther. Gunther wins, ultimately. Barely breaks a swag. Pat is red raw. Yeah, I thought, actually, Kyle did a lot of good work on commentary during the match, and credit to Pat as well.
I'm not the biggest Pat McAfee fan for his commentary, but I thought he was very effective in this role. He did a moment where he did a leapfrog, trying to jump over the ropes, but he stumbled over the ropes. And it could just be... He just stumbled over the ropes. But Cole was like, well, that's the inexperience. He's not a wrestler. He's a commentator. He's a football guy. And then during the match, Pat was sucking wind. Like, he was. Yeah.
And yeah, Gunther had not broken a sweat. And Cole's there being like, I mean, look at him, he's sucking wind for years. I thought Cole was great. I thought Pat's performance was very good. It went twice as long as it probably should have done. And Pat survived far too much of Gunther's offense for what a commentator should be doing. This isn't Jerry the King law. It's Pat McAvee. If it was Jim Ross in this position, it would have been one sleeper and he's out. But like, Pat escaped the sleeper.
And Jey Uso tapped out Gunther with that move at WrestleMania in three seconds. Well, that's crucial. Ultimately, Pat passes out in the sleeper. He didn't tap out. Which he should have done. I don't mind it because the crowd can chant you tapped out at Gunther at the moment because he didn't to Jay. That's fair. And Pat, while he isn't a trained wrestler, his whole character is he's got loads of heart.
And I think if he tapped out at the end, that would sacrifice that a lot. What's the payoff of that? Goldberg, I presume. I think we're going in a tag match. I think Gunther reunites with Kaiser. Who's your tag partner? McAfee? ¡Tarara! I mean, Sean Ross had this on, I think on 5-4-Select, that while not confirmed, Gunther vs. Goldberg has been discussed. Yeah, well it's gotta be. They set it up.
Well, overall, I gave this show 70%, essentially a 3.5 out of 5. Super enjoyable. I think Jeff Cobb is in continuity. So you should see it for that. I think the Becky Lyra thing is actually important to watch as well, because that really got you into the feud. And yeah, history-wise... It's allegedly the last Cena or to match. That I will agree with, but I think everything you just said then is in a recap video package at the start of Raw.
That isn't everything, ultimately. But that's what I mean. If you get it in a recap package, it's not like you're going to watch... I mean, like, man, I need to go out of my way to watch Backlash. You can get everything you need in a YouTube highlights package. let's get into our remaining chat gables last call for those Sending those to WrestleTalk.com forward slash support will read out every single one over five US dollars
Glory to the God Emperor writes, Happy Mother's Day, mesome. It's not Mother's Day over here, but it isn't US mothers. It is in the US. I only know that because a cameo messaged me to be like, we're doing an... global, site-wide, 20%. I was like, we're going to sign up for this.
Just out of curiosity, what is your genuine opinion on how this scene of heel turn is going thus far? Personally, I'm not sold on it, especially with The Rock abandoning it right when it all started, since he's the mind behind it all. But in fairness, Rock's mind was co- So Triple H is the man behind the Cena heel turn. Rock wanted it to become... I've said it before, I'm still of this slant. I'm fascinated by it. I find it too fascinating and interesting.
to feel let down. I don't know. I think it is. There were so much, there were so, too many expectations because this is 20 years in the making. everyone and their mother's day has had a fantasy booking of what a Cena heel turn would be like, that it's never going to live up to everybody's expectations. The Deck of Dane! Hello, Dane! We always miss you on WWE pay-per-views, you and Harriet. I know. It's like we're not all together.
watch backlash as part of my 40th birthday celebrations enjoyable if predictable show scene in autumn was better than expected due to theatrical shenanigans and RKO's galore, I'm now strangely curious about the potential of a Cena vs R-Truth match. Well, happy birthday, Dan. Happy birthday. What a good age to turn as well. I hope you still carry your championship like a mark.
Kevin says, Michael Cole, for the first time in my career, I'm going to be very biased. Me and everyone else who's been through 2011, Cole. Am I a joke to you? Really happy to see the crowd behind Lyra vs Becky. Good show overall, but yeah, our truth. Huh, sure.
like win for this show for me is and actually the big win of the last couple of weeks is that this crowd do genuinely seem to be into Lyra of Valkyria more than just I can say woo during an entrance song and that is fun joshua bonfonte hi lads been a packed couple of weeks but i'm back got some thoughts one pat learned from wade that is how you deny americano is gable
Oh, how did he? What was his defense? I didn't hear that one. I'm sorry. Two, I enjoyed the Pat match the most. Have I been sports entertained? Well, the most sports entertaining was definitely the main event. And number three, Lyra, take an effing bow. Now I care. Lots of love. How good to hear it, Joshua.
When a loser writes about Gunther vs McAfee, Cole was actually one of my favourite parts. Announcing that he had a bias, leaving the desk to try and help his friend, it really felt like he was an actual person rather than just the Vince mouthpiece he was for so long. Yeah, completely agree. And that dates back to the first angle. When he goes, I'm not going to let some bully stop me from doing my job.
Badass. It was badass. I mean, the crowd shouted Michael Cole at him. MJ, really enjoyed this show. A lovely Sunday morning watch with a cuppa and some biscuits. Every match made me smile. He really is for me the unsung hero of WWE's commentary at the moment. I think he's so good. at the WWE commentary star. He's better than anyone else I have. I think Wade and Joe. Might be the best commentary pairing in the company. Yeah, I really do. Because I love Jeff.
And I think he's done really good. I love Wade and Cole together because I think this has been a very good renaissance for Cole. But Wade is doing his work so much better than Booker T and Corey Graves are on NXT or Pat McAvee. I mean, Bukatane dranks that. You can have Jim Ross and, I don't know, Gordon Sully. If they've got Booker T on that panel, it's the worst. Yeah, I mean, there is a reason why. Actually, I love watching NXT, but I also dread having to watch NXT.
I don't want a haircut. I don't want a haircut. Overthinker writes, I am very curious about your thoughts on Rock's explanation about not being at WrestleMania. I thought about it, and I put the blame on Triple H. It seems he was firm that he couldn't make WrestleMania, and it sounds very believable that a suit wanted to boost up elimination chains.
Well, we actually went into a lot of depth about this. Patreon.com forward slash WrestleTalk if you want to head over there. There's a big, like, nearly hour-long discussion we have about that interview and The Rock's trajectory through Hollywood and how it's kind of made it to this point.
And Southland Tales. And I love to talk about Southland Tales. You sing. Frank Sinatra's My Way. I do, yeah. You do that behind the paywall. I sing Limp Bizkit's My Way. But yeah, it did very much feel like a burial of AAA. I think overthink of what you've said there. That's what me and Luke probably get to in that episode as well.
Alan Than, welcome to the Menbergs. Sorry for butchering those names. You're a Menberg too. So yeah, just a bit of house clearing because we have the Rastort Podcast channel, but one of the things we're doing because... YouTube algorithm and all the other things is moving the podcasts to this main WrestleTalk channel, which we have been doing slowly for about a year, testing it out and it's worked.
is we're also moving all those memberships that we had on the WrestleTalk Podcast channel over here. So this is the place to do that now. You get a little... Special emojis. You get emotes and all this sort of stuff, yeah. Unfortunately, it does mean that some people's streaks are going to be broken. Oh, I didn't think of that. Yeah. You're like, Menberg for 84 months. Yeah.
Gonna be broken Put it in every one of your comments Real Double J writes Do you know who else remembers Barry? Zack Sabre Jr. He had a submission move called Barry from EastEnders All this proves Oli is more of a hardcore wrestling fan than you. Game recognises game. Here's to Minties showing up at your wedding. Oh, I know AJ. LJ Cleary. He's a really good Irish wrestler. Yeah, he didn't...
I didn't know what I thought you were doing there, and I had to one-up you and then Barry. I was going to say, I think the problem, and this all falls down, is that you did not know that Zack Sabre Jr. had a submission that was called Barry for his... No, I didn't. I just remembered. I don't think a real Double J could say this proves that Oli has a bigger knowledge of wrestling when you've told him the thing. This is a wrestling teacher.
Andrew, the last airbender, would have loved the Gunther match so much more if it was Wade instead of Pat, or that would be a very different match. Wade's too much of a heel. Love you both for all that you do. Congrats to Oli and partner on the engagement. Harriet MangaGail writes, Hi guys, it was a very good show and I really enjoyed the main event. Also, can confirm... Yes, Deckard Dane does still carry his belt like a mark as he has it on his shoulder now at his birthday celebrations.
Have a great day. You're a beautiful, beautiful man. Thanks for the invite. I was going to say, yeah, where was my invite? Not that I could have gone. My wife was busy. Me and the kid. What's happening right now? Well, I'm at work. We could have gone afterwards. We could have done the show from their house. Yeah. We invited you to so many of our parties. Like good hosts. Made you buy a ticket. And thank you, Jimmy Monday Schubert, for also becoming a member. Right, I don't think we have a poll.
No, I know it's because... Mosmada's not here. I forgot. But thank you very much for all joining us here. Please go over to patreon.com forward slash WrestleTalk where you can listen to that raw deep dive podcast that Luke and I have done. What is the future for him in WWE? Spoiler. Probably not a lot. He's in love with Hollywood again. But for now, I've been Oli Davis. This has been Luke Owen, DAD. Jam that jam. Jam that jam. Gracias.
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