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Can the addition of The Elite save this Deathrider storyline and this Jon Moxley title reign? Probably not, but at the very least, I can say that I'm more intrigued and I'm more into this storyline than I have been for months now. So I can say that that's at least some...
That's good because you and I had the discussion when we were doing a Dynamite Dynasty. I've done it now. We're doing a Dynasty. We did a Dynasty review on Monday. And the big thing you mentioned was that you want a great explanation. From the box. Yeah. And it kind of went because we had so many columns. Column A, B, C. It was, we did it for the hangman.
i did it i did it for the hangman did it for the hangman i did it for my friend and then yeah and also it was like a piece of olive branch to the death riders as well so they were trying to kill two birds with one stone but here's the issue we're gonna get into them They are trying to appeal to too many parties. You've got Hangman Page who does not like the Death Riders. He's been feuding with the Death Riders and obviously the Death Riders jump.
you know him so that's gonna explain further down the line why certain storylines are gonna take shape with the forbidden powers yeah i mean i've got one more thing that i would certainly add to it but you know what let's do the intro i'm luke owen dad this is sat in yangi the wonderful beautiful human being that he is welcome to wrestle podcast please do press
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show yeah this was a kind of like it's a post pay-per-view show so it's like the the new season of dynamite as we head into the next pay-per-view in double or nothing next month yeah so like the you kind of have to
tell people who didn't watch the pay-per-view what happened at the pay-per-view and set up the storylines and sort of these next chapter arcs for people. So there was... a lot on this show yes they packed in we were saying just before we we came on air that like there was a period of time when aew was accused of not having any storylines and now i think you can point to them and be like they probably have too many
that they probably have too many things going on right now so it means that you just sort of get a 30 second pre-tape with adam cole kyle fish and bobby riley sorry Adam Cole, Kyle O'Reilly and Bobby Fish. Yes, the ones that weren't injured. It's Roderick Strong. Bobby Fish is gone. It's Roderick Strong, Bobby Fish. He looks different nowadays. If you brought him back, who's this bald-headed gazer with a...
with white beard exactly so like they have to just sort of go through all of these you know quick quick segments because it's like okay well we've got adam cole on tv it's like okay great we've got megan bain on tv okay great quick we got uh we got these people on tv so we can kind of do these and it feels like you know you got another show right you can spread some stuff out onto collision over there but then when you do that you get people saying like why is that on collision why is it not on
You're not giving it enough time. So it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. But it was like a packed episode of stuff. Super packed. But the one thing I was, you know, I was the guy. I'm probably one of the very few guys.
that was willing to give this Young Bucks thing the benefit of the doubt and... as much as i hate that phrase well the whole letter play out is the truth wherever you like it or not you may hate a storyline but what you have to do is either you get off the pot or you stay on the pot and just let it play out
so i want to see what the follow-up was yeah and the follow-up was i i feel quite satisfactory it was not the young bucks have not joined the death riders like the death riders don't even really want their help either like you know they came out and moxie was like all right i'm off i don't actually have any time for you
But the young Bucks are trying to appeal to the Deathriders, trying to be like, hey, just imagine what we could do if we worked together on all of this. But that's not what the Deathriders are all about. Moxie's promo at the start of the show was, this is my mission, this is my life's work. So he's got zero interest in what the Bucks are doing.
And the Bucks were like, hey, we did this for two reasons. Number one, we love Hangman Page. Hangman Page is our friend and we love him. And Hangman Page's sole mission is to make sure that Swerve Strickland is not the AEW world champion. So we helped him out. And number two is that the Death Riders did something that we couldn't.
They took over AEW. We couldn't do that when we were trying. But now we're also EVP, so imagine what we could do if we worked together. What if we were the corporate ministry? We'll have these two factions joined together. do you also remember when cd christopher daniels goes oh i'm stepping down as as an interim evp here's returning Kenny Omega! And since then, again, Kenny Omega is now the international champion, but he's still got some...
He's got 25%, or whatever he is. Exactly, yeah, that he said, because he then, genuinely, he came out, and I was like, genuinely, I was like, oh, I didn't even consider Kenny Omega being a part of this, because I had in my head... pushed Kenny Omega into. He's in that international stuff. He's going to be doing the stuff with Katsuchika Okada. And then I was like, oh, right. And Okada's part of the elite. I think part...
is because the Bucks haven't been on TV for so long. You sort of forgot what their faction was. What's 2024, man? Yeah. In the 2025 world. Yeah. So I was like, oh yeah, Okada is part of their group. Because then Okada came and I was like, oh, well, that makes so much sense. Why can't you get involved? I think that Omega's promo was like, it was weird. It's that like, Kenny promos can go one of two ways. They're either really good and emotional or he tries some comedy that doesn't work.
Yeah, we're a king-sized bed next to a bed. Yes. I play video games and the dogs poop next to us. Yeah. And then when he's did the bedline, that's when the crowd went like audibly groaned because it's kind of like he kicked his leg out of the leg. The Owen Hart promo with Bret Hart. And then you see Kenny, and you see Kenny stop and think for a second because it was a pause.
And I was hoping that he was going to play into it because I notoriously, when I do radio, if I do mess up, I don't try to hide it. I lean into it. Oh, well, I did mess up on that part. I laugh. And then we can move on because you're human. You can't. this is why i hate about promos nowadays you have to be the most eloquent uh debate ready person it's like no
Promos are from the heart. It's emotional. People have different rhymes, rhyming patterns, or ways of speaking. You can't all speak the same. WWE, here's a script for a 20-minute promo. Say all this stuff in line. And I keep saying to people, Kane Omega is very influenced by anime. So very much when he very much conveys the anime exaggerative nature in his promo, especially when he was healed. Kenny Omega and Don Callis. We're going to, he's got like, there's a breathy way of delivery sometimes.
And sometimes people don't get it because they're used to a certain type of way. Your ears are used to it. And he's like, come on, you need to bend your ears a bit. But this promo was a train wreck, though. Yeah, and the point he was trying to make was... You are two little dogs, two little shih tzus who have taken a dump on this place and eventually... I don't really know. And then he was just like, he goes, and then I told my buddy, I'm going to go, we should do this at my house instead.
So you're going to go somewhere else, Kenny? Is that what you're trying to say? Like, if you're trying to say that the Bucks have been taking a dump on this place, are you then saying that I'm going to go somewhere else? Because you just signed a new deal with this place, so you're not going anywhere.
i know the metaphor didn't work the metaphor didn't work and i think again he knew it wasn't working and you can visibly see him just get disinterested in his promo and he's like i'm just gonna and get in the ring and it was awkward because it kind of took the winds out of the sails of the box return and it's the first time you've seen the box and kenny omega since the attack since the attack exactly and you wouldn't even remember there was attack because based on the
so the promo i equated it to when undertaker did that weird promo in 1999 in the big show in the ring sign about going to the desert and burying you know that long people still talk about that long promo that no one understood so nonsensical
Well, number two, you can put Kenny Omega's Shih Tzu promo because do key chants happen as well. Well, that's good. I think one of the benefits that AEW has now of playing to these smaller audiences is that it's an audience that is willing to give AEW like... the benefit of the doubt and go along with things so like this promo if you'd have done this in front of 10 000 people dies of death you do it in front of 2 000 people they chant dookie
because what they want to do is they want to see the promo succeed they want to see kenny omega succeed they want to see the buck succeed so they will play along with and they will do the chant but like it was a bad promo it was a weird promo
But here's the thing, though. We saying it's a bad promo means we can do this. It was a bad promo, but you're human. Let's move along. Some people will then say, you see this bad promo there? I'm going to hold your feet to the fire each time I see you hold a microphone. You're the dookie guy. You're the dookie promo guy.
It's just, it happens, it's human. Even like, I'm going to add this, like Jordan Grace in NXT, she did a toe pace with Cedar and her legs got caught. Yeah. And then one guy was like, ha ha, is it because she had too much steroids or she's not athletic enough? Dude.
actions happen show me you doing a bloody tope suicida and see if you're good because that's what it is you get a lot of people they get too comfortable you're not in there doing it you're meant to enjoy it but sometimes people act like they hate watch stuff
yeah that's why i don't understand that if you hate watching it was ruining your mood go go pick a different hobby well also i think people want uh polish like you know they want wrestling to be this very uh neat and polished art form whereas and i think over the years probably over the last decade plus
the the indie style has been a very polished you know will osprey can't put a foot wrong and you know that's a very extreme example of it but ricochet speedball mike bailey a lot of these guys are just doing all of this incredibly impressive stuff and they don't
make any mistakes Seth Rollins is a guy that does not make mistakes in the ring Kevin Owens is a guy that does not make mistakes in the ring and it has conditioned a lot of people I feel certainly newer fans to expect a very polished presentation of wrestling so that if a wrestler does make one mistake, that is it. I used to say this in the early days of AEW, that Britt Baker made a mistake once in a match, and people were like, women's wrestling in AEW.
I was like, okay, well, part of the problem is A, that was one spot in one match. But B, part of the problem is that because there's only ever one women's match in an AEW show, if there's one mistake in it, it's highlighted even further. There is a mistake within the whole thing.
So if you have, like, one bad promo segment... it's it's Vince era like the Vince is writing the script this is like it's it's bad WWE stuff like and it's like well no it was one segment of this like because the rest of the promo was totally fine and like when he went down to the ring when Okada came out when Swerve came out
As a segment, it kind of worked, but this one bit wasn't very good in it. No, and it's okay to say that, but we're not here to ridicule it. No. as we didn't review we're just being honest but at the same time we want to be respectful i think that's what it is we're trying to maintain a level of respect because sometimes people get too lost in into the criticism with the jokes they're making and then forget the point they're trying to make but yeah he he did a promo didn't completely hit
But it doesn't change the fact that I love seeing Kenny Omega out there. And I even love hearing his promos. He's different. I don't like the fact. I don't want everyone to sound the same. I don't want him to sound like Chris Jericho. No, yeah.
with that said Kenny if you are watching this I would rethink it next time Maybe just like yeah, maybe just you know run it through once and just sort of see how it feels Maybe run in front of some other people don't just do it in front of your bud and they might enjoy it but with that said the crowd did chant dookie so you know it worked it worked for some people what's the smell
Yeah, like this was this was essentially a promo train segment because you had like the John Moxley promo in a very quick match with Shibata. Yeah. And then you had the Bucks come out for a promo, then Kenny came out for a promo, and then Okada came out, and then Swerve came out, and then Swerve cut a promo, and then Pac came out and attacked him, and then that led into the Pac match. Like, this first half an hour.
was like it was one into the other into the other into the other When Pac attacked Swerve, I was like, thank God we're getting no entrance. Do you know what I mean? For me, that's a good smooth transition. That is almost like a homage to ECW. Sometimes you get that and you're like, okay, if you're going to do this many segments or many promos in the ring, let's get straight into the action. Because it did feel like...
Maybe in a way to overcompensate because of that reaction on Sunday, they probably felt like we have to show and tell because. being subtle is probably getting them nowhere because people are like, where are we going in this storyline? Who are these Death Riders? What's the mission statement? Even though we heard it months ago, but what still is the mission statement? That's where we get this Moxley promo.
he spells it out to you you know this roster full of people they don't have what it takes or i know we have the best prompt wait we have the best roster in the world but they don't have what it takes to be on my level and he explaining it and it's like people still be like what's the point of this storyline and then yeah so that brings the question then you know what we posed as for this podcast title can the elites addition into this can the addition of the young bucks and kenny omega
save this Deathriders storyline or this Jon Moxley title reign? Yes, because it's good to see them because... Is it a weird analogy? Some people may like kind of count it against me.
in the WWE when the McMahons will randomly be in the storyline. You're like, oh, that familiarity with the action era. Because those are good times, right? That's like what you associate with. Because there were times when people were like, oh, I hate the McMahons are overexposed. Shane, Stephen, blah, blah, Vince. But when you have them involved in the storyline with a wrestler.
You're like, oh, I'm now much more invested. The Bucks and Omega, the Elite, the original Elite and Hangman, they're like the life and soul of AEW when you have them. You can go away from watching AEW in six months, but when you put it on, you're like, these are the lifebloods of the show. When I watch it, they're the core of AEW. And it makes sense when the company's been run roughshod by these group of...
I don't know, cultic skinheads, but they're not skinheads. You know, death jitsu. Death jitsu guys, you know. it makes sense and i love the fact also that the port Bucks tied it together to last year's missed takeover they're doing the same thing it is
We're not in a new summer. It's not a new elite, you know, doing the bloody Meltzer driver, the TK driver or the EVP driver on Tony Khan. No, it's now Deathriders putting the title in the case. So it's like... same same vibes but different flavor of ice cream or whatever it is but i mean you spoke about it we are there's a potential case there may be anakin arena and that's why we're doing this because we now got the new edition of
so there's i am similar to you in the sense of i don't think this is ever going to be enough to the people who did not like the end of I don't think this episode of Dynamite is going to change their minds. No, do it like this. Because I think that the only way to change those people's minds is to end... I don't think anything that this company does...
will turn around those mindsets. I think there is a group of fans who have decided that they have had enough of this and it is time to stop it and I'm not going to be invested in this no matter what you do until you have stopped. And I totally get that because I was in that position like two months ago when they would do all the cope stuff and it was cope and raise at FTR. I was like, I am so done with this. there's so many more interesting things going on in all elite wrestling
that I'm just not into this. I think... You might have said this on the Dynasty review, whereas I think people won't say it's like 2000 WCW because that was a show that's a mess from top to bottom. It's like late 90s.
wcw like 1998 wcw whereas like all the undercard is great but the main event stinks because it's Jericho and it's Malenko and it's Raven and it's Benoit and it's all these great undercard guys and even like the rise of goldberg and the main event is just hogan hogan stinking up the joint exactly yeah just like trying to like relive the the 1980s but it's the late
So it's kind of like in that similar vein. There's so much good stuff that I'm still into this, but I'm done with this main event. But having said that, when the Elite came out, I'm like, well, I like these guys. I like the Young Bucks. I know there is a portion that just do not... I don't know if it's a cornet thing, but there are some people who's like, when the bucks show up, they just swim.
But, well, not to switch off the point, but yeah, you're meant to not like them. Nick Jackson is the most likable of the duo. Matt Jackson's got the most punchable face, but it works for the group. It is like two swammy guys. And then they got a smirk about them. They're the kind of guys that will probably like chuck a piece of paper at the back of your head. You know, they got that kind of annoyance to them.
i've i've missed the box has been six months coming in nearly six months six months man yeah yeah they need that vacate and that little trip down to the tokyo dome you know what i mean but it's a fun little rundown yeah and it's good to have him back and like i said earlier um having the elite in the storyline is good but i don't know if omegas uh involvement will extend further than the promo i just felt like it was a case of like well we still got the case today he did get attacked
they just rip off the band-aid yeah is this actually kenny and the bucks getting involved in the death rider storyline or is it actually just kenny getting involved in a storyline with the buck Is this actually just elite drama that is away from what the Death Riders are doing because the ops are getting involved with the Death Riders later on?
But then again, is Anakin Arena be some members of Death Riders? Because we assume it'll be all Death Riders and the Bucks. We're also assuming it's Anakin in the arena. We assume that because it's double or nothing season. So the time calls for it.
they have to it's almost like them it's almost like even though they've got blood and guts but this is almost the equivalent of having war games it's kind of we've got factions they love factions you know that's their thing so it's kind of like we gotta have a faction duke it out even like today's show we're gonna talk about it i very much
Thought it was refreshing having the ops involved. They're like a nice counterbalance to what the Death Rider's been doing. Yeah. So for me, do I think that they can save this story? Probably not. People made their mind up. I think people have already made their mind up. But I am at least interested in this chapter of the story, because Five or Select Report was, you know, and I don't want to, you know, be the dark rain. But I think Moxie is going to be champion for a while.
Because the report was that Moxie was set for a long title round. six months you want it in november it doesn't the weird thing it doesn't feel like it's been six months no it doesn't feel like it and i'm i'm of the camp of the beginnings of the turn on brian was so great i'm like we can't have gone from there to where we are right now like we could salvage this i am desensitized as well i am desensitized so i'm like
whatever guys just it's like it so we could be in for a real long haul with that or a long you know a few more months yet of this this moxley storyline i'll still be here like and you know and i'll still be here and i'll be talking about it and every time i've like I'm kind of not really into this, but there's some other stuff that I am into, but I'm not really into this. I'm not vibing with this story at the moment. But at the very least, I am into the Elite.
and if Kenny's involved I'm probably going to be into it if the Bucks are involved I'm going to be into that aspect of it as well if I can have like one small nitpick though if there's one thing that I was I wanted from this show and I think that was missing from
because hangman had a segment later on when renee was trying to interview him about the wild card and he sort of like blew that up he's like i haven't got time to think about the wild card right now which i think spells disaster for him in the first round of the owen heart tour And he storms into Swerve Strickland's room because he wants to tell Swerve Strickland to his face, I was not coming down to help you at Dynasty and I still don't.
And Hangman Page was like, look, when you see Swerve, you tell him I was not there to help him at Dynasty. I absolutely was not there to do it. And he goes to leave. And then I was like, I've been trying to tell you this for a year, but I do feel bad about. My mom is trying to call me. It's on do not disturb. I would disturb men. No one.
My phone's on the phone. My mum's trying to call me, for goodness sake. Oh, that's nice, though. Yeah. It's always nice when you get a phone call from your mum. Yeah, let her know later. Mum, I'm working. Please. but like prince nana was like you know i want you know i wanted to say sorry and hangman's like you don't get to tell me you don't get to do that and he storms out
Where was Hangman talking about what the Bucks have said? Like, where's Prince Nana asking Hangman Page? And you can't do everything on the first... but it's like where's nana being like what what were you involved did you ask Why is Prince Nana not more mad? the bucks cost Swerve Strickland the title. Allegedly because of him. Yeah, because of Hangman Page. That segment was cool because you got the Prince and Anna and you got the Hangman Page interaction.
But there's a bigger picture piece here that ties into what happened to Duck Dynasty. could it be the case of like everyone knows they'd be a But then there's none of the guy that turns around when the briefcase gets hit, you know. So there's levels to how far can none of it be. Yeah, in terms of what's going on. You asked a good question. It should be a case because I'm assuming that's going to be Swerve's mindset. You are behind this. You said, I'm not a liar. I can see.
I was supposed to be the world champion and you screwed that up. Yeah, I can see that hangman getting annoyed that you're trying to question my integrity. I'm telling you, I had nothing to do with the guys attacking you. I wouldn't, you know, I am, yeah. Like Swerve was mad because he, in his promo, he was like, I'm on buck hunting scene.
Like, you know, I'm going to go and get those guys. So like, you know, Swerve was mad about it, but I think there is that hangman question. They said they did it for... hangar so let's try and know as i said it's one show there's still a few weeks to tie all of this together so there's there's time on this but one of the things like when i when cena sent him elimination chamber he wasn't going to be there for the first two weeks of uh
before they get to the build for wrestlemania so there was two weeks of raw where cena was But they had a lot of people talking about what seems... And it became this sort of massive thing that was just like, man, did you see what Cena did? I kind of want some of that just like, you know, the bucks are back. What does that mean for everything else? Like these main event things should have ramifications across the rest of the company.
I completely agree. But, you know, maybe they feel like we don't want to show our hand all at once. And maybe we want to gradually get there because they've got weeks. I mean, like you said, Double or Nothing is next month. So they need to build them that storyline to next month. We all know time is money at wealthify. We help you make the most of both.
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Well, let's see what you thought of this show. WrestleTalk.com forward slash support. We'll read out all of them before the end of the show. Irami here says, Post-Dynasty, I said I didn't like the ending and we disagreed over our optimism regarding it. Well... humble pie and all i'm still apprehensive about it but i can definitely feel a bit better about it now still want this mox reign to end soon please tk on that
So there's an interesting thing. Fightful Slakes had this, and it's been talked about by, I can't remember who the original reporter was of this, but Meltzer talked about it as well. Right. This idea that the max viewership has hugely increased dynamite. they reckon there's like a good plus half a million people that are watching just through max alone so like dynamite is doing over a million viewers every single week it's actually sort of like in that 1.3 1.5
And actually when you include like DVR numbers, they're actually more towards the sort of 2 million range a week. And what they've seen over the last year is, and not just because of the max. viewership across various things and DVR numbers have increased. And there was this thing that 54Select wrote that those in AEW have sort of a belief that there is a disconnect between what the internet... perceives of this Deathrider storyline and what the quote-unquote casual
C's of this storyline. The ones who are not terminally online that are joining, you know, Twitter. That's why we're calling casual now. People are not online. Come on, let's not do that.
my brother is very much a huge wrestling fan but he's not online and why does that call him casual because he's not online well i mean what's the the other name for them like that is what they've always said like that casual fan is just like the one who just like just watches the show but doesn't then talk about it afterwards You ask a question. Offline.
Offline fans. Offline fans then. So is there a disconnect between online fans and offline fans about this? But I would say as well, you know, for transparency. And like, you know, to put all the everything out.
those max viewership numbers can't be verified because max don't release those numbers they keep them very close to their chest i don't even know if aew truly know what those max numbers are tony khan said on the post conference like he's been told that they are very big but who really knows what All I can say is probably the offline fans are not congregating together.
one person's opinion has been fed and everyone goes, yes, I too believe what this gentleman scholar is saying. I boo the storyline. He's watching all that. Yeah. yeah heels win again uh that's that sucks so i didn't win i'm gonna watch why the bucks are back maybe that's they got that simplistic way of what wrestling used to be like things happen and you're like i can't wait to tune in to find out why that happened they're not online complaining about it
I guess. They just watch the next show. Yeah. uh jedi master chico here said if pack is out for an extended period of time i would laugh if the elite and death riders do join forces then they start defending the trio's titles using the free bird rule imagine cloud you and the bucks defending the titles one week and the others uh the combos in others Yeah, so the pack did get hurt on this show. It was a legit injury, which absolutely...
Luke, you jinxed him. We made a joke about his annual leave that he takes every summer. Emgiriscus said they should have done the unity of the evil elite and death riders when they attacked Tony Khan well they didn't do they weren't doing the death riders back when they attacked No, those two are BCC.
Nick J. Smith here said, Buck's Deathriders versus the Ops page Swerve and Hangman and Key in the Arena. If Packers hurt, does a card a fill-in or does it drop to usual five on five? Also, just a brag, Luke. I'm seeing Acid Bath in one of their first shows in almost 30 years at the end of the month in New Orleans. Yeah, I think you should brag about that. I actually missed out on tickets to go see Snot doing their first.
might actually possibly be ever um uh but yeah they just got back together with a brand new singer and they're doing some leading a uk show and i did not get tickets but i did see an advert yes There's a UK show later on this year in London. It's Drowning Pool, and it is Spineshank with special guest Headpeak. And I'm like, man, that is one wacky-ass lineup, and I'll be getting tickets to that. Snot. I know drowning pool. Spine shank. Yeah. At least we're doing new disease.
but if we're talking about music i'm happy that death grips haven't broken up so yeah yeah because it was rumored that they because they haven't you know done the stuff in a while as rumors they've broken up but you know stefan the lead vocalist of death grips was nope Death Grips, you know, contrary to what Dave Meltzer reported, we are still together. You know, we're fine. Yeah. Rafael Garcia here says, to answer your thumbnail, not completely.
While they prove that the answer is always Kenny and Joe, it feels more like hubris than story. It says something that Mox's best regular match right now is with Shibatit, like they're trying to prove a point. well let's get into the rest of this show um yeah and we did anything to say about that mox shibata match like it wasn't a completely long match i i i was shocked
The first two matches with the show shocked the heck out of me because it's the anniversary of Shibata's brain being taken out and put back into his head. It's just like it should have been a more combative match, but it was such a TV match. And the restriction it was. And then the decisive finish as well.
he passed out but still it just yeah i was shocked and in the second moment when we get to the um swerve versus pack again i guess injuries it just it was very much it was very quick yeah it felt like they went straight yeah yeah like so it's a moxie like it was fun for like what it was it was a bit short um i got but i enjoyed the chip out of strong style stuff you know when he started taking the chop
firing them back he survived the and he does like you know the neck crack and stuff felt like it was it was shibata playing the hits a lot of the time survived a pile driver but then he could not survive the the choke and passed out but yeah like it was it was it was fine the oxygen didn't get to his brain but listen uh
again, Notoracy Online citing Yangi because, you know, Luke's not online. This match was actually a litmus test of whether or not if Jon Moxley's watched as a wrestler because they've been saying, yeah, they're saying, if Moxley can, if Moxley can... in this magic shibata we've got conversation to have because all of a sudden people are now questioning if moxley was ever moxley is this dean ambrose in disguise is the real moxley you know
passed away or something like that. I don't know, man. It's Kerry Von Eric or something. I just watched WrestleMania 32 for the Patreon viewers going up tomorrow. I saw that guy taking on Brock Lesnar. I was like, this is a completely different person. And I'd much rather watch this person than that person. Oh, because of the death writers when people are not saying this. Brock was right.
what is happening yes what is happening that's what i'm saying people because there's a thing going on here uh they're saying about oh media literacy is dying and it is kind of is because I'll send it downstairs. There's a bunch of blue check people that need to pay the bills.
So you've got younger teenagers who, you know, they're like, oh, this is like a, it's like Reddit or the forums. We're having a proper discussion. No, you're not. This guy needs to pay the bill. So he's going to use bad faith engagement. He's going to rile you up by saying things that's not even true.
And, you know, think, oh, this is a real discussion. It's not a real discourse. Moxley's not washed up. Whoever's agent is or the style, it's just sometimes things are not clicking. But you see in this match, he can still go, you know, and wrestle. Brock was right.
Madness, man. Yeah, people say, well, maybe, you see, maybe that's why maybe Brock was right. Maybe just don't listen to Dean Ambrose when he gives suggestions. I was like, you know, people were like, don't use WrestleMania 32 as an example. All right, any of the other matches there, like the Ambrose Asylum matches he had with Jericho.
and all this sort of stuff that weren't all that great either, for the benefit of hindsight. Once he left WWE, he went back to being Jon Moxley. It was like, oh, you are an interesting wrestler. I loved Dean Ambrose, don't get me wrong. I was a Dean Ambrose guy. That's what you wanted to be. You were like half as good when you were Dean Ambrose. Now you're back to like full 100.
I am not into this world title run. Yeah. But to lay it out that he's bad now or he's washed or he's never been good, I think is... the worst member of the shield yeah yeah and another thing as well this one battle um battle this one this one title reign we're not negating or the other good title reigns even that short title reign when he beat CM Punk he was fighting every week let's not forget that
The reason why you're so happy about Forbidden Door is because Jon Moxley's government name is Jonathan Forbidden Door Good. Because he's the reason why New Japan and AEW healed the rift they had because when AEW basically... took most of the good wrestlers to start their own company and New Japan Strong was like, what? What about us?
Marksley is one of the most important wrestlers over the 21st century. Do you not let online discourse change the fact that this man's the reason why you have New Japan and AEW in bed together cuddling at night. Do you know who also should get the props for that that he doesn't get? Rocky Romero. Yes. And him too. Yeah.
Yeah, then we had Pac versus Swerve Strickland. They were having a good match, but at some point Pac hurt his ankle and the doc was on the outside checking him. And then eventually he rolled back into the ring. got knocked down, swerved stomp for the win. It did feel like it was an audible. It felt like we was like, let's just go straight to the finish here. And yeah, Sean Rossat posted on Blue Sky that it was.
What Swerve should have done is he should have pushed the referee a little bit and then strike it. If you remember, Jericho did that for Neville. And it goes back to that thing, man. I remember we had a chat about the Cope-Moxley street fight. And I was like, man, Moxley shouldn't be doing this because one day someone's going to get really hurt.
Like those are the times when people aren't going to get hurt because you are prepared for it. Yes. You know, Kevin Owens is now missing WrestleMania because he's going to get next.
And according to Owens himself, he got that injury in January, which means he did not get that in that ladder match against Cody Rhodes at the Royal Rumble. He did not get it in the No Holds Barred match, the non-sanctioned match against Sami Zayn at the Elimination Chamber. He got hurt in a regular TV match on SmackDown.
Because it's when you are least expecting it. It's when these sucky things happen. Because, you know, you do my GM. It's the wears and tears of the body, man. It's just that your body, you've had enough break. And that's why, you know, injuries tend to happen. Ricochet got a promo saying that he's the captain of their team because they're doing this for...
400 grand? You win and you get 400k, I guess? Yeah. Yeah, it's like an old 80s territory thing. It's a big money match. But you do know why they're doing this, right? There's a disingenuous prick online saying, what's the story? Why is this random pairing? You can't appeal to these people, man. You can't just do wacky things just because one person is having a piss and moan about what's the story. Yeah, so the story is you win money. So that's like Tony Khan's like, no, no, you see these guys.
are fighting for money. That's why they team that together. Because people... I enjoy random matches because, yeah, because it's wrestling, man. It's what happens. WCW was a random match generator. You've got Greg the Hammer Valentine taking on Leparka. You know, it happens. What's the story can get? yeah get honest like that is as an online argument can get in the sea yeah i'm sick of that whoever says i'm like you're new to this place aren't you what's the story the story is
Whoever wins get more money than the loser. It's always a story. Wrestling is a competition. It's like watching football. What's the story? What are they kicking the ball about? Because if they win, they get further ahead and towards getting to the finals. They get money. You pay it every year. If you perform well, you get paid even more. Some people don't have jobs. I think that's what it is. People don't understand.
Why are you in this office? Why are you in this chair? Why are you on the train? Why are you going to work? So my kid comes into my office on a Tuesday when I'm watching Raw in the morning while my wife is getting...
nursery and so she'd come in and be like oh you're watching wrestling she doesn't have much interest in it but like first time she really was like old enough to recognize this is what it was she was like what are you watching i was like oh this is wrestling this is what i watch for my my job for work and she just watched it for like 30 seconds and then she's like what are they trying to do
And she gets that because like, she's obsessed with like doing races and winning or like racing downstairs or racing upstairs and winning. I was like, well, they're trying to win. She was like, oh, he's trying to win. I was like, yeah, there you go. That's the story. That's the story. My three-year-old. Anyway, Team Good Guy did some comedy. Mark Briscoe was great.
listen every time you see mark briscoe you're like they should do more with mark briscoe they should do more of him they should definitely he's he's the kind of guy it's a company with so many over baby faces but at least give him like a nice tnt title reign he deserves it because
Man, that guy is going to diversify his portfolio when he was asked what he's going to do with his money. That was funny. And it led to... and this is why i didn't i didn't either with the wackiness of 400 grand or like you know big wacky names on it and things like that it was ricochet the crew and beast mortars versus will osprey mark briscoe speedball mike bailey and kevin knight
I felt like I went to my favorite indie show in 2017 and I was just watching a bunch of guys just do stuff. There's no story to this match. The story of this match was eight guys did fun spots. And the crowd lapped it up and they had such a good time with it. And I had a wonderful time. And it was so brilliant in the end.
you can see that they're having fun and there's that cool moment yeah it's probably online if you're not if you're one of those offline fans if you haven't seen the show yet there's this moment when team good guy having a low five and then Ricochet decides he's gonna do a flip and then he lands on his feet And he's looking dead center into the camera like breaking the fourth wall. And an old team good guy like this.
You know, like, it's almost like the Tom and Jerry things. You go with them four cats waiting and stamping their toes waiting. Like, huh? Well, here, buddy. So they're licking their hands. Some licking their hands. Some wind up their hands ready. And it's... slap the heck out of bold-headed ricochet and i was thinking to myself lukoi must be thinking bold-headed attack they need to stop this it's getting outrageous it's a stand up
my fellow bald men but this was just so so much fun you know it's quadruple 10 count spot like they all did dives they all hit their moves everyone looked great coming out of it double crane kicked some mortars it all hit moves on him then eventually hidden blade for the win just brilliantly fun yeah and i have no issue with fun it's great to have levity it's great to have fun you know that's what wrestling is meant to be at times it's meant to be competition meant to be sport
but there's also pantomime there's entertainment element to it that i appreciate and i love this match it might not be for everyone but for people that like fun or like good time you enjoy this it's a good time We had a recap of what happened between FTR and Adam Copeland from Dynasty. And they said that it's what used to happen with Edge when he came back because he's on a part-time schedule.
It's like every three months he has to have a career-ending injury angle so they can write him off TV for three months. So it's like every few months you have to have the comments and be like, man, Edge is out indefinitely. And they had that here because they announced that Cope is out indefinitely. And God bless Tony Skiavone because he cut a hell of a promo on FTR. when when skill money was it was it what did hawker used to call him Tony Chavante
I was thinking, man, is he going to get power driven next week? Because that's Giovanni. Yeah. I hope they attack him on collision. I hope the FTR be like, what are you saying about us? coming straight to the ring F-T-R and then in the ring he's like Tony what did you say about us what did you say about my daughter that's the thing I was like ooh you mentioned his daughter your kid cannot be proud
They have to. Come on. Give it to him. We need to take out Tony Schiavone here, man. Drive his head to the mat. Isn't there rumors or reports that Tony Schiavone's contract is coming up? I think Tony has reached that level where he should be an interviewer like I I've enjoyed the last five plus years of him returning the resurgence of Tony Schiavone because it took on for like in the wilderness for 20 years
And then you had these WWE DVDs, the propaganda DVD. Well, he was never that great. He was clueless. He was Bischoff's buddy. You know, the low common denominator. You even had the Bobby Heenan shoot interviews because they didn't get along. People used that to plow on him as well.
But I'm happy that he's able to write a different story and rewrite history and basically go out on a high. But I do feel like when I do listen to me, Collision, great, he knows the names. I'm impressed that he's modern. He can name wrestling moves better than JR. God bless you. I love JR. Modified Suplex. Yeah, modified T-Bone. Modified Brain Boss. If you don't know, if you're going to commentate, that's like my crutch. Modified Power Drop.
because of JR. But he goes, tope con hilo, tope suicida. I'm like, mm-mm, this guy's been sitting under the learning tree. but yeah if he is I do feel like they should keep him as an interviewer because JR look at JR he's not the full-time commentator he was in the beginning of AEW he's just special appearance big fight you know big fight gym you know so hopefully he's just Shivani with the microphone. Yeah, brought out for special occasion.
Yeah, I could happily. I mean, I love Tony Schiavone, always have. But if it's just the caliber and Taz. Actually, Excalibur Taz and Nigel. Okay. We're talking about commentary since you opened that can of worms. Excalibur and Taz need to have a... they need to be split apart. It's like two kids in classroom. No, I disagree on this one, man. No, they need reigning in. It is to the point where Taz on air is allowed to get pissy and moany.
Luke, I was trying to say that. You're stepping on my point, Luke. Imagine if... Exactly, Luke. Imagine if I brought that energy. Luke, I was trying to say... If you let me get to my notes, imagine that. All right? Jones, all right? There's a compartmentalized Jones, my knee Jones, my elbow Jones, my deltoid Jones is to the point where... Taz has this thing, which I've noticed since his WWE run. It never happened in WWE.
Vince always had a habit of changing commentary partners. He never had a chance to stay on WWE. He went to ECW. That's probably the closest when he started phoning it in. He gets to that point where he's just not trying anymore. And it's getting to the point where he's not parody. If we're saying Jones.
you know, Headlock Jones with DDT Jones and then Excalibur, who's meant to be the street man. Yeah, Jones. You're like, you're playing into it. This is not my commentary. I like fun, but it's not, it's derailing. You're derailing in the action. But when Nigel's there, Nigel is like Wade on Smackdown. I've come to work.
And Ian Riccoboni and Joe Tessitore, they've come to work. That's why they want Ian Riccoboni. But Riccoboni is like me. I love my family. No matter how much money you offer me, I want to be at home as much as I can be. Thank you for the offer, but I can't do full time.
But they need to get Mauro Ranallo because Tony, like Michael Cole, they're both forgetting spots. Because Michael Cole, too, has reached that point where he's botching moves. And you can tell, oh, it's getting to that point where he needs to wind down and let Vic Joseph.
be the play-by-play man he was meant to be last decade I very much enjoy the Taz Excalibur dynamic but I do agree with you and I would very much agree with you that it feels like oftentimes they're playing for yeah they're playing it up because it's like we can get on
yeah and i i did i liked in the beginning as well oh this is breath of fresh air this remind me of michael cohen task because michael cohen task had that great bromance kind of relationship where it's two guys you know with beer in their hand you know having fun and i like that but it's come to the point where it is like to the detriment of the show you're watching you're like
we're up to commentary is this not a podcast guys we're watching a wrestling show come on uh while we're on the subject i would do Hurt Syndicate came out for a promo to celebrate yet another title retention and MJF came out and I thought Max was so funny in this and so great in this because he essentially was acting like he was already part of the group
Like, he came out, he stood alongside them, and he was like, yeah, we hurt people. Look at the titles on us. Look at how well we're doing right now.
and he said that tony khan wanted him to be in the owen hart tournament but he's not gonna like what do you want me to do wrestle you want me to sweat i'm not gonna do that i'm not working hard for this i'm working smarter not harder and it says you know you would not have retained those tag titles without me because you were really struggling with big bill right there so you're welcome
And now it's time I've scratched your back, you scratched mine. Help me getting back to being the AEW World Champion. lashy's trying to shut him down and shelvin's trying to sort of like play peacekeeper and mvp's like the way this works the way this works in the hurt syndicate is you need three thumbs MVP gives them a thumbs up. Shelton is in the middle.
And he goes down. So Sheldon Bobby, now we don't want him. So you've got two thumbs down. And MVP, they leave. And MVP just goes and goes like, I tried. I did what I could to convince them, but you did not. And an MJF, I thought the final shot of MJF, I was like, that is a man who was plotting. That is a man who was thinking of his next move. And they had a segment later on when he walked up to MVP and he was like, I feel like you are being very disappointed.
And MVP said to him that we're a business. If you want to get on side with them, you need to find out what they want and give it to. So we're still continuing on with this, and I thought this was a good set. yeah so i've been hypothesizing that okay where is the end goal for this group is it gonna be mjf having his own group to battle the hurt syndicate is this meant to help the hurt syndicate become baby
Based on this segment, I had that song off in my head that you hear in Kill Bill. I forgot the original show it was based from. I was like, oh, no, I've been here. I've been here before. MJF doing comedy against a person he's feuding with, Adam Cole, and it gets over and they're like, let's change plans. Let's make him a thing. I have.
A sneaking feeling that if they were going to have plans for them to fight, they may not because Shelton Benjamin goes, man, I find George Constanza funny. Like he's amused by MJF, meaning Shelton is going to be the first one to be like, you know what? It ain't that bad. Because remember, you need free and MVPs solidly behind MGF because of their relationship.
Shelton Benjamin, who was on the Indies for a while. Yeah, he does have history with MJF. MJF's like, you've seen him around. So he's going to probably, you know, melt as well. He might, you know, get helped in a match. Yeah, George Costanza, I like this guy. And then Bobby Lashley will be like... We hurt people. What is this all about? And then he probably will begrudgingly give it a test run. We'll see what happens.
And probably, obviously, or probably, it will probably lead to MVP. See, I do the same thing. Lashley does. And Taz does. Too many M's. Too many M's. And three letters. Three letters is going to be the death of me. My name's Sat. Yes.
I think that MJF may join the group because it is getting over. The whole comedy shtick is one of Max's strongest suits. But like Taz, if it's not reined in, it gets to the point where it becomes shticky. It might become Brochacho 2.0. it's like you know the ones what's what happened to my beloved hurt syndicate it's too many jokes they're not hurting people they're laughing with people you know so i can see that being a thing for a bit as long as mjf turns on them in a bloody way
or it could be like Duke Hudson when he joined Chase U in NXT. Obviously, he was meant to join in a group, but he was doing so well in a group. He's like, F that. He's not turning in a group. We're keeping him in there. So who knows? Yeah, but it did make me go, oh, no, he's going to win the grip, isn't it? Because it's actually quite entertaining. It was good. Yeah. Renee spoke with Megan Bain and Penelope Ford, saying that Tony just about survived Megan Bain.
We will revisit that match down the line. Stokely. Please just get Stokely to be Megan Bain's mouthpiece. There's nothing wrong with how Penelope Ford cuts a promo, but she's... shouldn't be a valet for someone else. She's like, you know, she's like one of them seniors. She's been in the company for a while. She should be doing her own thing. She should go for, you know, the TBS title or something, something or the rather. But Megan Bain, give her Stokely, give her a bunch of guys.
feeding her grapes, giving a feet massage. She's meant to be a goddess. It's almost like the... Ah, what was your lad from Ring of Honor? Dalton Castle. Yes! Yes! I mean, she's a goddess. I'm not seeing enough worshipping. There's enough worshipping online. I've seen a lot of worshipping online. That is unsurprising. I would say that is unsurprising. And listen, I don't blame you guys because you should.
like like uh like public enemies uh podcast i follow their account and you know they're great guys they're saying men used to fight go to war for women like Megan Bain. I'm like, amen, brother. Amen. Again, she's been worshipped online, but it should be translated on TV because she's one of those people where I'm fine and she doesn't talk often. It adds to the mystique.
But I also want to see her be worshipped Rose petals on her feet Like you need to like convey That she is someone worthy to be worshipped i need something different than that like i don't mind like the the penalty for its partnership i don't like need her to have a mouthpiece or anything like that but what i do need is coming out of collision it's not Because if it's just a squash match, she stands there and she posts it, it's like, cool. What's next?
because she's not gonna be going for the title anytime soon and i think that's probably a smart move but you need to do something else to do something with her and keep her on tv and keep her involved in some stuff before we go back to that Tony Storms. What I don't want to do, and there's every chance that this does happen, she's just not doing anything for three months and then she goes back into it.
I think we need to be doing something in the interim. Is it like the awkward thing of like, how many women do we have in a division? How many women has she beaten so far? Oh, God. I think more of the problem is we only have one match a week. Speaking of, Chris Statlander took on Thunder Rosa in the Owen Hart Cup tournament with Tony Storm out on commentary. Really good match between these two with my Wright Cabaret Women's Champion taking on Chris Statlander.
um everything that like she hit the canadian destroyer and couldn't put cristalana away she tried the shining wisdom company away but in the end uh statlander hit the study night fever to get the win good So I missed the ending of the match. So I was dealing with my daughter because she was doing her business in the loo and she needed me to, you know. So I went to my partner in like a cheeky kind of way. I was like...
Let me know what happens, like what I miss when I come back. Cause I assumed I would do my daddy duties and come back and finish the match. As soon as I go to the bathroom, ding, ding, ding, ding. So I come back and I asked my partner, I said, So what happened? She goes, she got her in that tombstone kind of thing and then she went down on her knees. And then I was, guys, I know you're thinking, why am I mentioning this? My partner doesn't watch wrestling.
So I went to her. Look at that. Eight years. And you do have something to show for it. You know what a tombstone is. She called it a tombstone. Guys, that's a casual fan. whatever is a step below yeah she is yeah she's online but she's offline when it comes to wrestling I always tell her this stuff but yeah she she described to me and i was like oh because it's wednesday night fever because
Stat usually names the move wherever day she's resting on the show. On Collision, it's Saturday Night Fever. On Wednesday, Wednesday Night Fever. But I still quit Saturday Night Fever. They call it Saturday Night on this show. They didn't get the memo. Because there used to be a thing where she was naming whatever date it's on. Get the memo, Excalibur. Don Callis announced with Brian Cage injured, they will be accepting new recruits for the family. Yes. Such a solid little faction.
I'm sort of about six months behind the times on this, but they have become such a solid backbone for AEW in terms of this mid-card scene. So it's a good opportunity. okay this is sat theory about this um what's his name trim barretta come home I mean, because let's not let's not. Yeah. See, exactly. Come home. Come home. And Mr. Wildcard, Josh Alexander, please stand up and join.
the family that is a great way to introduce him you don't have to do a lot of leg work to be like i feel like it's that thing all If the wild card is the one that not. I know you mentioned Jeff Jarrett, but you've already seen what happens. Nobody wants that. No, I think I'm wrong on that one. I said it was Jeff Jarrett when I thought that I think Manpage was going to the final. Yeah.
I feel like it's going to be a great way to introduce Josh Alexander because I don't know how the bracket is going to have in front of me. It's like a way to get. even to get Osprey to face another. Yeah, because Osprey's on the same side as Takeshita, because it'll probably be Takeshita going through, and Fletcher's on the other side of the bracket. So whoever is the wild... We'll be going through to face Fletcher. Let's hang back.
Okay, then that's like a conflict of interest. Because they are talking about like there's every chance that this is a family final because it could end up with Fletcher versus Takei. With all the injuries, this is a great time to introduce Josh Alexander as the newest member, to be the killer in the group. I can see the Canadian connection with Don Callis, the TNA connection with Don Callis and Josh Alexander. I feel like he'd be a perfect placement in the group.
straight away you know establish him as the heel uh the kingdom cut a promo setting up kyle and bobby going for the tag titles and apparently they renamed themselves the Paragon in this I thought it was just a line of dialogue but then I went on to restalk.com because I was getting the news stories for this morning and they were like
AW Faction renamed themselves and I was like oh they've officially renamed themselves the Paragon have they? I just thought that was just a line that he said in the promo So I watched the segment and I went online. I was like, I don't get it. Did I blink and I missed them saying we're now the Paragon? I just assumed there was a line in a promo. the group name they were meant to have back in 2021 or 2022 whatever it is they got the you know copyright but sure paragon
Kingdom. We'll miss it. Chris Jericho came out for a promo. He came out for TV time, gave props to Bandido and his stupid family. And then he brings out Brian Keith and Big Bill. He said, you guys didn't win the tag title. Big Bill takes the mic from his hand.
and he says look you know i'm getting angry and you need to hear this you know i wanted to learn from you because i respect you but all that's really happened in this group is that you berate me and brian and we and we make us feel real bad about And if that's what this promo segment is going to be, just let me know so I can just go now. And I'm not the only way that feels about this. Keith feels the same way. And, you know, Jericho's all looking at him.
And this was the baby face turn of Big Bill against the heel Chris Jericho. It's like, I didn't sign up to be your punching. And Jericho was like, look, I guess that you had more to learn than I thought then. I'm not going to say. Some people might say, Big Bill, that it's your fault I lost the title because you weren't there for me. But I'm not.
uh i'm not angry i'm just disappointed and that then became his thing i'm disappointed i'm disappointed he grabs the bat he smashes up the tv time set i'm disappointed i'm disappointed and he says until this changes it's best that i leave so it feels like this is Line in the sand, the end of this era of Chris Jericho. And he's going to take some time off. He'll come back in four months time with a brand new.
what i i just well that was that was my read of it this felt like this is the end of hi guys era of chris jericho when he comes back he won't be doing that anymore he'll just come back with whatever it is the new version of chris jericho because that's jericho's whole thing right it's like i go i do a gimmick for a while and then i go away for a few months i come back with a brand new gimmick i get bored and i come back yeah i come back and i try the next new thing
not all of them work sometimes they get over massive some of them don't work and he'll come back and then you know what he'll probably win the ring of honor tv championship Don't jinx us, man.
I want a proper blow-off. This can't be the blow-off. I just assumed that they're going to be resting their laurels or doing their thing for a bit and then Jericho's going to come back and then they're going to have a big blow-up eventually or go for the Trios title and have a blow-up in the end. I don't know. you could not Daniel Garcia, big bill. Okay. I want to see.
him turn on you and get heat off you this guy is allergic of letting uh his underlings get heat on him to in order to propel themselves to the next level yeah i'd be amazed this does not build to a match at some But this felt like a big Bill babyface turn.
All I can say is this guy is always like, how can I get on an all-in card this year? It's ready-made, right? Have it. Big Bill versus Jericho for all-in. And then Keith has to decide where he's, you know, he busts his bread. Special guest referee. Respect the referee. And actually All In probably will be the next time we see him because that's July.
He can go away for May and June, come back for maybe late June to start the build for a match with Big Bill at All In. Well, let's go Big Bill. He's come a long way from being the guy that was inferior to his mouthpiece friend known as Enzo. We've got a recap of Max Caster and the return of Anthony Bowens from the pre-show of Dynasty. And then we had the segment we talked about earlier with Alicia talking to the Hurt Syndicate. Jericho left and smashed some more stuff.
drove off. And I was like, I think he's going away for a while. And then we got the Death Riders versus the Oops in the main event. I really enjoyed the finish of this, which was... it had a very standard layout the you know good guys ran wild the ops ran wild and then going into the ad break so the heels worked over hook and we came back from the ad break built into the hot tag but we never got that hot tag
The Death Riders took out Samoa Joe and Hook managed to overcome things. Mox ran down for a distraction. an interference but shibata came out and choked him out and then samojo grabbed uh claudio castagnoli and put him in the coquina clutch and in the ring hook grabbed wheelie yuta locked in the red rum and the uh the ops won yeah i was like ah
Didn't do when, deviated from the standard formula. And I've really enjoyed that. And then afterwards, Marina Shafir hit Samoa Joe with a chair. We got a neutralizer onto Hook, onto an upturned chair, which looked okay. sucky bump to take. And then Joe called them out and said they're going to come for the trios championships. Good.
yeah no i did this simplistic uh formula is a tick for me when ops started after the you know they had a feud with the patriarchy i was like listen put a trios title and then free tower land to support the Trills title on them and finally give Hook a meaningful title reign. So I am excited. Samoa Joe is like a secret sauce to a failing feud, right? He's just magic. He is.
he cuts a promo on Moxley and the Death Riders and with so much passion and intensity you're like you're like inject the adrenaline into my heart and I'm ready for this give him please the trio style has been held hostage
They can have great matches and Shibata's doing more. I feel like it ticks all the boxes of like, Hook gets to be under the learning tree of two phenomenal wrestlers for different reasons. Shibata for in-ring and Samoa Joe when it comes to promos and in-ring as well. Of course, he's no slouching at the park.
so let's just do it let's make it happen honestly there is something about Samoa Joe because when they came out for their entrance and they're wearing like similar like they're not wearing matching gear but they've got matching colors And they just stood there in front of the Titan Tron and just folded their arms. And I was like, this is the coolest hookers look since his debut. They're just standing next to Samoa Joe in an entrance. I'm like, you're...
It is, but it's unfortunate that Hook's personality is also a detriment to him. Being so laissez-faire and laid back. you're kind of like do i what is your motivations hook are you here because you want to be a champion or are you here you because you want to impress your dad we don't really know much from the moment his debut till now if someone asked you so hook
Explain him to me. I don't know. He likes a bag of chips. He does like crisps. He gets a different partner every six months. Recently, the op seems to be the longest relationship he's been in. The one that's stuck. Yeah. But, you know, he had a Downhouser moment. He had an Orange Cassidy moment. He was part of Team Taz.
is you know send hook was a thing you know they get his signal he had a signal you know he signals in the sky exactly he wrestled for the world title one time we thought he's gonna have character development He's in a relationship with Dame Dash's daughter, Dame Dash of Rockefeller. You know, Jay-Z, Rockefeller. If you don't know, Wikipedia, Dame Dash. Yes. So, yeah, so many different things. But if you ask me...
Oh, yeah, he does not have one. Wrestling-wise. Oh, wrestling-wise, he does suplexes. He does suplexes and throws his hands up. That's what his wrestling is. He cosplays as his dad in the ring. He's not cosplaying as his dad in the ring. He's wearing shorts. Move set wise. You wrestle like your dad. He's a suplex.
I want more. No, those suplexes are beautiful. I'd watch nothing but those suplexes. No, I love the suplexes. It defies gravity. You look at its size and you're like... you're built like a luchador but you do suplexes that's okay that you know defying uh gravity and all that good stuff but i want more as a character and i do hope because it does feel like
He's going to be coasting on Samoa Joe's pro-mobility. Right? Joe can do all the heavy lifting. Yeah. He's going to be like... I'm just standing here and just fall my arms. No, but I do want him to get...
I want him to cut an effing promo. We need to see that from Hook. It should be one day Joe is doing his spiel and then Hook just grabs a microphone and he goes bananas. He's Taz's son. As much as I'm making a joke about Hook, but Taz... at his prime in ecw he is one of these see you on the 13th yeah that energy that that's missing from hook it is like a a
Zuma version of Taz if Taz will just lay back with luscious hair. I don't know. Zuma as in like Paw Patrol Zuma? No, as in Generation Z. Oh, right. Sorry, I thought you were talking about like... He's the laid-back one of Paw Patrol. Yeah, he is, but inject some adrenaline in your soul, man.
Well, there we go. That's what we thought of the show. I thought it was a good follow-up to Dynasty. I don't think it is enough to change people's minds, but I enjoyed the follow-up for what it was, and it's made me curious to see what's going on with Collision and Dynamite. It was a world building episode because people use the word filler a lot. They need to learn a difference.
world building is like they started from scratch again they had blow off views or storylines and they need to start things all over again they've got the continuation of the owen so they're setting things up and collisions can be exciting because they announced that On collision, that's where FTR is going to give the explanation of why did it turn on hope. But I will say, too much.
yeah oh yeah too much on this show they crammed a lot they crammed a lot into the point to the point i was like am i watching a television series the amount of times i was writing in my like edited review cut a promo did a promo backstage did a promo came out for a There was too much stuff on the show. Yeah.
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And that's what we did. It was an hour-long video. It went live a couple of hours ago, and it is just Oli and I sitting down, having some drinks, and we listen to Weezer's Pinkerton album, and we talk about it track by... And it's the Black Sheep album, but I had a very good time with it.
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All-Star Chuck Turner. Yep, that is your Hall of Fame class for Thursday, the 10th of April, 2025. Let's get into the rest of your remaining Omega chats before we get on out of here. And then I'm going for some drinks. I'm going for myself and Ollie and a few other people from the office. for some drinks and then we're going to hustle tonight at the color factory and i can
I'm gonna go home and be a dad to my kids and my partner pick up a car. Exciting evening. Yeah, I'm being a bad dad and I'm not going home to do bedtime. That's not a bad dad, no. As I know, parents need some levity, some showtime. That helps you to not be wound up, Dad. I'm right to explode. Shut up, kid.
I'm going to watch some wrestling and I'm getting the last train home and hoping I don't fall asleep. I love you family. It's so great to be home. Exactly. And then I get to wake her up in the morning and be like, let me tell you about take my fares versus.
Noshua here said hi guys in a wonderful world of economic strife thank goodness Mark Briscoe is here with sound financial advice this was a fun episode multi-man madness is always a lot of fun and setting up the ops as the potential next trios champions is the right call Kevin here said swore on TV destroyed the horrible set and left Jericho turned face for me
that eight man tag was awesome beast mortars is in lfi but i think never has tagged with them and he told you someone commentary every week very funny uh very funny show had a good time that's a good point whatever happens to jake roberts and lf can he swap that with um don callous or something no it's just i don't know jake's always had this weird part-time schedule because there is a fact that i think is an approach soon that jake's been in aew longer than his wwe run
I can't believe that, man. Yeah. That didn't sound right to me. I know. We're all years gone. I know. But the only thing I will say about this run, well done for still saying Sober? Question mark? Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, bearing in mind, you know, I've seen... a sad time it was 25 years
No, I mean just that because again, it's 26 years ago. I don't know if you noticed this though. So he did break up with his wife that was on Rick Rouge pants. They've been, they've been back together for a while now. Yeah. Him and Cheryl got back together. So I'm just happy. I'm like, that's Cheryl. If you watch wrestling from back in the 80s, if you're a kid like me in the 90s and you're like, I want to watch. Summerslam 1988. You know what I'm saying?
I was one of those kids where I need to fill in the blank on things I've missed out. That was before my time. So that's what I did when I was young. And one of them was a feud between Rick Rude and Jake the Snake Roberts. And Jake the Snake Roberts had a hot wife. And Rick Rude was like putting a hot wife on his trousers. And that was a hit. I used to love when Rick Rude would do that. Rick Rude's custom tights to get in the head of his opponents. Beautiful stuff. Yes.
Jonathan Hedman has been in Menberg for 43 months in a row. He said, it's my birthday today. And Luke, if Jericho comes back as the party popper, I'm blaming you. That's from my Edison review. I did not have a party popper to celebrate Jericho taking some time off. But I would have used one.
idea had i had one jimmy g has been a member for 42 months in a row said happy sat e days my dad's that was a decent dynamite uh rosemary stat was fun kenny and swerve tag team up maybe would prefer hangman and swerve i think we're still getting hangman down the line. I did see someone in the chat earlier called them Cowboy Strip.
Listen, I like swerve men when you said swerve men, but it's hang swerve online. Jedi Master Chico here said, during the video of FTR's heal turn, Excalibur distinctly called FTR the pinnacle. After the Hurt Business MJF stuff, this strongly feels to me like a reunion of the pinnacle. Does that mean with Wardlow? I doubt it, but you never know.
I mean, if MJF will need, like, if he's going to go up again to the Hurt Syndicate, he will need some backup. And people have been talking about him, you know, getting the legacy from MLW. But maybe he just, you know, looks closer to AEW home and reunites with that very... small running faction, but they were part of the first Blood and Gun. Never mind that sh**. Who's got the tag belts? That's what...
FTR wants to be tag team champions. Who has it? Hurt Syndicate. They hurt people. You know what? High five. JL and Master Chico. Very good. Is that a player on Kazuchika Okada? I don't know. Tony Shade has been a member for 21 months in a row. Said, I was third row for the show and the atmosphere in the crowd was a fire for the entire time. Four on four was absurd. Went with my wife and wrestlers I train with. That's so much fun. That sort of eight man tag is when I'm like...
that's why I want to go to live wrestling shows as much as I possibly can do because these are the sort of shows like when I would go to and I still do go to those local You would just get eight-man tags like... and it is and actually back in the day it was with will osprey and you would just get them doing spot And it was awesome. And it's so much fun to be a part. You know what? It would be great to get a monthly dose of this sort of value.
dude there was a period of time when aew just had trios matches every week on tv they were just like here's your weekly trios match and every single time it was superb and every time i was like why isn't this the trio scene and also it was a regular case of darby allen's thing and friend every week it could be cm punk one week and then it could be you know it could be orange cassidy or it could be someone else but yeah i miss those random generated uh trios tags
Bushin Ryukat said, AEW is a storyline mess, so here's the challenges to make her and syndicate look good. FTR managed by MJF, Hangman and Omega in a new faction, Darby Allen and Brody King, lost and damned, and Thunder Rosa and Julia Hart and the Death Riders done. tk to trade moxley to wwe for a shield reunion i think i don't foresee i you know and i could be very wrong by saying this i don't see
His family is embedded in AEW. His wife is having the best time of her wrestling career because she's got more responsibility. She does more in AEW than she did in WWE. because they give her the kind of autonomy she didn't get back from the other place because, you know, there was a certain crazy old man that didn't understand things quite well. I think it's just, you know, from what I've heard,
He, it's not like a gimmick that he didn't like his time in WWE. He does not like the way that WWE do pro wrestling. Like even now, he is not a fan of the way that WWE present pro wrestling. If he leaves AEW, he's going to...
But, you know, we say never say never. And, you know, Paul Levesque, when he's got, you know, his teeth is chewed onto a bone or something like that, he never lets go. He'll be like, look, we're different now. And you get to keep the Mox name because, you know, his mates go Mox in real life. Ruzelibre has been in Menberg for 41 months in a row. He said, I'm all for the MJF Hurt Business team, but the smells a bit like Sammy joining the bloodlines. Stop me if I'm telling lies.
Denny G said, hi guys. Firstly, speedy recovery pack, you bastard. What pants look? I own two minds about the MJF stuff. Although entertaining, feels like he should be leading a faction, not begging to join one. He's a top guy. Glad Jericho's having some time off. Give Bill a push. Well, Danny G, I think you might be getting your wish, bud, because I think this is all building too.
Misha here said, I know that long title reigns are the big thing these days, but my pitch is for Will to win the O and beat Mox at all in, then some controlled hot potatoing in the main event, the concept being these guys are so good, anyone can beat anyone on a given night. While I think that there is some fun to be had in that, the complaint will be that you are hot potatoing this title and devaluing type changes or just doing type...
You know what? Shut your mouth. Because that was last decade. I embrace. This is me. Three months tidal reigns. Let's bring it back. It's been a while. One day tidal reigns. uh warren here said hello lads great show last night for me the wild card spot might be for anthony bowens think it would be good for him to push him in the owen even though he may lose to hangman page possibly max shenanigans also possible that mox takes pack
play so here's the thing is that if Pac is out and you know can't do any wrestling for the foreseeable Mox is going to have to or marina um actually i don't mind bowen's being put into the into the owen but did he if hangman is being taken out in the first round Owens beating Paige and then going through and then it's Bowens versus Fletcher in the semifinals. I don't mind that at all.
I don't mind it either because he's got some sort of momentum on that pre-show and he's got a new presentation. The other one that lets it down is Billy Gunn. Can you just go backstage already? I feel like daddy butt cheek. has reached his expiration date. Very much so. It's time for him to either become Mariah Mays stylist
to do a redux of beautiful people when he was like, I used to be over. That was kind of funny. I was also sad at the same time. But yeah, I feel like I'm done. When he came out with Anthony Bowens, I was a bit like, oh. Yeah. No, please. No, please. Just leave. Leave. Real Double J here said, I applaud AEW if they move away from the...
Bucky O'Hare is, booking for the internet and looking to the interest of the casuals. But this will be a long-term solution and the vitriol from the net will be more venomous during. In short, stay off socials to enjoy. Shout out to you Real Double J for Bucky O'Hare is because that is a phrase that myself
our friend Ash created to describe bunny ears on our Games Master podcast, our Bucky O'Hare ears. There you go. That's a long-time fan. He knows the lingo. It's back from 2019. That's when we started doing that podcast. Wow. So I do think that everyone. should let things play out so when you get to the natural conclusion then you can judge it based on the merits of everything you've seen because it could be like oh that portion was fine
I'm fine with TK having a vision and he wants to see it through. As a kid, I would watch things. I'd be like, yeah, sure, I guess. You know, I guess Bret Hart lost the title and Yokozuna won and then Hulk Hogan won. Yay, I guess. you know it happens and you see you see things through because i feel like if we're being precious that's what we hurt ourselves i feel like
We're being too precious with it. It's just like, let's go with the flow. Watch it. Obviously, we're human beings. We will not like stuff. I might even say don't like stuff, but don't dwell on it. I think that's the thing I should have cleared up. Don't dwell. It's a natural human emotion to be disappointed. I was disappointed at a certain finish, but I don't dwell on it. I'll be like, well.
Because I grew up with Vince McMahon booking stuff. If I dwelled on it, I would have probably done some terrible things because it is nonsensical and it felt spiteful at times. But you just, oh, well, it's another day, another week. For me, when it comes to this booking for the internet, the reason why I think I push against this idea of quote-unquote booking for the internet is that the majority of these very vocal people aren't there to watch AEW. They are just there for engagement.
So I don't think you should be booking a show for them because they don't want to watch your show anyway. They want to pay the bills. They want to like, they are just doing this because it gets them engagements. So don't book a show. for them like book a show and create a show for the people who are enjoying aew
who like the product. Book it for the 2,000 people that are showing up, the 3,000 people that are showing up for TV every week. Put on a show for them. Don't try and appeal to people who aren't going to give you the time of day because you're not going to change their mind. And we've learned it with wrestling history, booking for the...
Casuals is not it. You book for the people that actually are in the arena. I've never understood the philosophy of book for the non-existent people. I think a casual is like a mythological creature. It is. Book for the Loch Ness Monster. What? book for the Loch Ness Monster. It's like, no, I'm going to book for the people actually here. All these people in the merchandise, these people turn up to your fan club events. These are the ones you should be booking for. Not for the ones like,
Oh, I remember Jericho from when I played him in No Mercy or whatever. All right, cool. See you next year. No, you book for the people that be here every week. They're the ones that are helping you sell out arenas. They're the ones that go to their friend. Hey, I've got an extra ticket. Do you want to come with me to watch All In or All Out or Forbidden Door? They're the ones. It's not a bit casual. Oh, Metro's saying that AEW is coming in. You can't book for the hypothetical.
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you're lying yeah no i know it is but it doesn't it doesn't feel like it just doesn't you know it is okay it's been too long i must say it's nothing like the booking thing because the booking has been a bit murky it has been it's been a long time it's been a long time but finally Because I want to get over the season so I can go to the new season of 2025. Because WrestleMania is legit the culmination of like... Autumn and winter of 2024.
sprinkle a little bit of January for March and April. But after WrestleMania, that's why we love after WrestleMania. We're like, it's the new season. What are we going to look forward to? Who's getting a new push? Who's coming to the main roster? Who's returning? Who's leaving? And all that jargon.
Yeah, it's going to be a very exciting time because next week it is WrestleMania week, which means we've got go-home editions of Raw. We'll have our Dynamite review. We're going to be having live reactions to WrestleMania. We have podcast reviews of WrestleMania. We'll have our WrestleMania predictions going up next week as well. So stay tuned because we've got a bunch of stuff coming your way.
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