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Dark Empaths & Dating Deception + Lively vs. Baldoni Scandal

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In this episode, we dive into the complex and chilling world of dating a dark empath. These individuals possess high emotional intelligence and empathy but use their deep understanding of human emotions to manipulate, control, and deceive. Unlike narcissists or psychopaths who lack empathy, dark empaths are keenly aware of others' feelings and motivations, making them masters of subtle manipulation. They can charm, guilt-trip, and influence others while maintaining a façade of kindness and compassion, making them some of the most dangerous personality types to encounter. (Looking at you, Amy Dunne.)

We also discuss Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively's awkward appearance on the SNL50 anniversary episode. Reynolds made an ill-times joke regarding his wife's current sexual harassment case. Lively filed a lawsuit against her It Ends With Us co-star and director Jason Baldoni, accusing him of sexual harassment and defamation. She alleges that Baldoni's on-set behavior made her and other women uncomfortable, citing inappropriate comments and actions. Baldoni came out swinging, counter-suing Lively and Reynolds for 400 million dollars and creating an entire website where he posted every communication between himself and Lively to support his claims that she was lying.


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Dataology Coach podcast by Sarah. Hi Kristen. Hello. Hello. First of all, thank you for guys for giving me the the time off. Sam's doing much better, which I'm really I'm thrilled at, but I was very surprised. I think I found a food that she really, really likes because she's much more high energy, which is such a relief. So thank you for that. But my question to you, Sarah,

did you watch the SNL 50? I I'm I intend to see it in its entirety, but in the meantime I've seen some key clips. Right, right. Circulating, yes. Make of the rounds. One in particular, we haven't touched on the Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni thing. For me personally, it's it's so much information that I'm so afraid that I'm going to misrepresent it. Me too. Yeah. I like by the time I was aware that there was a story there, there was so much story that I was like, fuck it, forget it.

I'm I'm sitting this one out. Right. But then. But then, yeah, on SNL, Tina Fey and Amy Poehler were. I don't know if they hosted the whole thing, but they were, they were hosting the segment anyway. I hope they hosted the whole thing, by the way, I think they're great. But anyway, yeah, they were hosting this particular segment and they they were like, oh, hey, Ryan Reynolds is here. He stands up, right? And they say, how are you? And he says, great, why?

What have you heard? And then if you're if you're looking at Blake Lively, his wife, for just a split second, a look crosses her face that I would characterize as abject. Terror. Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And then she recomposes herself. But yeah, in in that in that moment, it looked like she wasn't expecting that. I'm just going to say this, I loathe both of them. Everyone does now. They got married in a plantation so they can both go fuck themselves.

He's alleged to have cheated on Scarlett Johansson with Blake Lively. I did hear that, yeah. And which I just, I just don't like him. I think he's smarmy. I think he's one note. And I, you know, I, I started liking her. I had no issues with her other than I just didn't think she was the greatest actress, but I thought she was passable.

I liked her in the town, but when the whole It Ends With Us stuff started coming out and the things that she was doing in these interviews where she was really just being a bitch and being a mean girl, obviously I started not liking her. But then out came the sexual harassment charges or, or or accusations against Justin Baldoni. And Justin Baldoni was the director and he was, he played

her abusive husband now. The I didn't realize he directed and was in it. When I heard about how she was sort of making light of the thing in the domestic violence theme in the story, because I have to say, I started reading that book and I was so turned off by that opening scene that I was like, I don't want anything to do with this book. I didn't I didn't like the lead male. I didn't like her and the stupid letters to Ellen DeGeneres. I didn't care. It lost me very, very quickly.

But I especially didn't like his character because he was so sleazy. And the way in the opening, you know, in this, in this first scene, they're up and they meet up on this rooftop. And I mean, he basically comes out and says that, you know, I, I like, I want to fuck you. And there's nothing appealing about that. There's nothing sexy about it it but it, I think it probably really told you who this guy was that he, that there was just

something about him. I think you were supposed to be, I think you weren't supposed to like this guy. You might you might have found him charismatic, but there was supposed to be something that was off putting enough that it made it difficult to fully commit to liking this person. Kind of like Sarsgaard and Big Little Lies. Yes, yes, exactly. Exactly. That was well done. Except that's why he won the MB four. He he was so amazing.

So, so when the they started to do the press tour and the rumbling started because they were saying why isn't he on the press tour? Why isn't he doing these interviews? Yeah. So people started talking and, and this is what I mean about the Internet. They don't miss a trick, right? They don't miss anything. No, but the public is getting more media savvy. Very much so. Not media literate as much, but that's a different thing.

So then everything started to come out and when she began, all the things started coming out about her on press tours and, and sort of the mean girl stuff. And then the sexual harassment accusations against Baldoni by Blake Lively and you. I, I, I think for the most part at that point everybody was Team Blake because believe women. We just believe this. Plus, there is something about Baldoni. Baldoni as one of those guys, the male feminist, the guy who panders to women. I know that.

Yeah, I was not a fan. I was not a fan of this guy. And so when all this stuff came out, I, I immediately thought, Yep, I believe that because male feminists are mostly just wolves in sheep clothing, sheep's clothing. And then he was like, OK, bet you want to make these accusations. He puts up an entire website of all of the text message. Oh, the lawyer. The they put up an entire website with all of the text messages. I love a petty bitch. I do too. This was so deliciously petty,

but also he sued her. I did hear that, yeah. And he also sued the New York Times. OK, because they ran the story. Because they ran the story. OK, So when I see that I'm going to be a little bit more OK, now I want to hear this guy's story. Whereas typically I don't care. And as he started publishing things and publishing the messages and you really learned what an absolute asshole she is

and what she was doing to him. And it really started to make it seem, and I obviously, I can't say for sure, but it really started to make it seem like she was manipulating text and manipulating content to make it look like he was sexually, sexually harassing her. And so when I saw this clip, this was such an obvious PR stunt of you need to get out there, you need to get your face out there. You shouldn't be hiding, which I get, I think it was very ill

timed. I don't think this was the place to do it. It's one thing to show up to a red carpet and have your picture taken, but to make light of it, so you're making light of sexual harassment charges. You're the whole situation is just icky and I don't I don't think anybody's really coming out looking great here. You know, you know, it's interesting that you say that because I again have not, you know, I've not been following this from the beginning, but because of the SNL incident.

Incident it's. It's created a lot more Tik Toks in particular, people providing me some back story whether I wanted it or not, right? It's interesting to me to see the narrative that is emerging and it that people are comparing Blake Lively to Amber Heard in particular. But isn't that interesting because as you know, Kristen, I am an Amber Heard apologist and I stand by it apology.

So I mean, that's that to me is like a, a weird comparison because Amber Heard, I thought, you know, I thought we had sort of like revised our view of her to be a a bit more sympathetic. Whereas Blake Lively, you know, women in particular are calling her a snake. They're accusing her of like, trying to set Justin Baldoni up. But how much? But how much did? She did right right. But here's the kicker. Here's what really gets me. And I fucking hate this so much coming from other women.

God damn it. But but women in particular are speculating. Well, I think she fell for him and he didn't go for her. So then she was acting out of scorn, and she did this whole. It's just so, it's so reductive. It's so reductive. I happen to think Ryan Reynolds was the main problem. Who knows, He's definitely not helping. He's not he, I, I do not like him. I don't care. I think he is Deadpool every day that that is it's he's just a one note. He's just a one trick.

Very one note, very one note. And I don't like it. And I don't care for that note. I don't care for that pony. So I think he's probably more to blame for a lot of this. I think he might have felt threatened, but yes, this whole oh, I think she liked him and he didn't, but that's it's reductive. Well, and it's like it's insane you aren't there. Right, right. But you go right to that. Right.

And those are the pickmies and those are the people, the the fans of people like Justin Baldoni, men like Justin Baldoni. I'm sorry you're all fucking pickmies. Because I think most women see through that bullshit. We don't trust it. We just don't trust it. Yeah, nor should we, for good reason. Yeah, some other I, I think this is interesting, Some other hot takes around this whole situation are actually more to do with Taylor Swift.

I don't know if you know this Kristen, but Blake Langley and Taylor Swift for a time were BFFS. Right. And so now people are saying, you know, well, Taylor Swift, like she's she's really staying out of it, right. And like how awkward and embarrassing. Like that's your best friend and she's not coming to your aid. Like people so again, are saying like, well, Taylor Swift is not she's not saying anything in

support of like lively. People are like, you know, she's probably going to drop her like a hot potato because she doesn't want the drama and she doesn't believe like either. I don't know. I mean, I'm I'm not going to go through all the text messages. It certainly seems like things are not going according to plan. For. For anyone, really, Justin Baldoni probably thought he was just going to be in a movie, you know? Right, right. He's already lost jobs.

Yeah, Yeah, that's true. He's already lost jobs because of this, I think. But but who's probably going to come out looking the worst here? Blake Lively. Of course. Blake live, of course. Of course, another thing to me that I I think is actually like the interesting part of this whole event is, is like you said, Blake Lively is going to come out looking the worst. We all could've called that without any of this business about text message receipts like, right? Like regardless. Right.

We all knew that the woman is going to come out looking the worst here, right? It's going to hurt her career the most. We all knew except I guess Blake Lively and I. And I just thought, you know, as I was like contemplating this, this whole incident, like, tell me you don't have your finger on the pulse without telling me you're you're completely out of touch because like, it's the new era, baby me too is done and gone.

You know God because I keep hearing rumblings of people thinking Matt Lauer should come back. Oh, I haven't heard that, but. Yeah, I've I've been hearing that didn't. He have a fucking trap door in his office. They here's the thing, they all did at all. They all did. And I think it had something to do. It was security. I think it had something to do with security. It wasn't just him.

And I really hate when stories like that come out and we don't get context because it it, it doesn't it, it doesn't help, it doesn't, it doesn't help the cause. But I agree, the me too movement really does seem to be. Oh, we don't. We don't believe women anymore. Do you think that's true? I mean, you and I might, right? And like, you know, on an individual basis, like women

might. But like, we're just, we just got a whole new tone in this country since November, you know, the vibe has really shifted. Yeah. It's the broligarchy. I don't like it either, but here we are. Yes, and that's why I'm so frustrated at this whole lively Baldoni thing, because it doesn't just affect her, right? It affects all of us. If she, if, she if, if, if. I want to be clear, if she made these accusations up to position herself as a victim, I'm going to be pissed.

Because this actually is so rare, right? Like it's so fucking rare that women make this shit up, but it's the first thing you hear from men who are assholes. Right, nice little Segway. You sent me an article about dark empaths and I was fascinated it. Did. Yeah, it did. It did. So the Guardian had an article titled Narcissists only more devious, The truth about dark empaths and apparently dark empath talk has been trending. I hadn't seen any of these videos on TikTok, had you?

Before this article, had you? No, OK. I'm sure I'm going to once we finish recording this. Yeah, for sure. But well, OK, so a dark empath is apparently the most dangerous personality. They're like narcissists, only more devious. First identified in 2021 in a study published in the Journal of Personality and Individual Differences, Researchers define it as a novel psychological construct concerning individuals who have a high degree of empathy alongside what is known

as dark traits. How this plays out in practices. Someone who appears to be caring and sensitive, but who is actually using those skills to further their own agenda. Boy, we did have a good Segway, didn't we? Yes, we did. Look at a chew, Blake Lively. I don't actually. I'm not actually calling her a dark empath, but she does seem like an asshole. Which actually before we get back into the stark empath thing, you said you you were looking at like some of her past

appearances. Did you see the one where she was on some panel for Gossip Girl and she cracked a joke about Leighton Meester being born in jail? Yes. God damn like just talk about toad def. Right. Anyway, not a. Nice person she's. Not nice. Anyway, how is it possible to manufacture empathy? Can't we as humans detect when that's being done? Turns out there's more than one type of empathy. There's the deeply caring type that most of us understand, which is called affective

empathy. And that's the real thing. This is the degree to which I feel what you are feeling. So, for example, when you feel sad, that makes me feel sad. But there's another type known as cognitive empathy. And in that case, the script goes, I know what you're thinking, I understand your mental state, but I really don't care about it. And this information is important to the dark empath because if they want to predict your behavior, they need to understand what you're thinking

in order to try to control you. It's this manipulation by stealth that can feel so unnerving if you're on the receiving end of it. Then we have an anecdote from somebody about a a boss, which is unsurprising, right? Call calls to mind that infamous study about like 90% of CE OS or psychopaths. Or actually, it might be higher, but I don't have it in front of me, so don't don't at me. OK, so we got an anecdote about a boss.

Unfortunately, dark empaths are extremely good at getting their prey to drop their defenses because they intellectually assemble an understanding of the other person's weaknesses and where their loyalties will lie and what their insecurities are. They crave this knowledge because then they can use it to manipulate. So here's an example of a

romantic relationship. Say the dark empath knows that their wife derives a lot of pride from their workplace achievements and how she's viewed professionally. She gets an amazing job. This means the dark empath will feel at risk of potentially losing her to other people, and he will then lose the spotlight and potentially the right to make all of the decisions. Her success at work is making her feel special and he's losing his power over her.

So in this scenario, he would typically scheme to bring her down. He might say things like, I know how important it is for you to show up to work looking sorry to show up for work looking the part. But when you dress like that, you look like a mutton dressed as lamb. It's I don't know who would say that. OK, the guardian. I'm very surprised because I thought you would know better.

So like their close relative, the narcissist, a dark empath is territorial, which according to psychologists is common for such types to create exclusion from friends, family and Co workers. Isolation means you're more likely to doubt yourself and the dark empath can make you rethink and distort reality. So it's another form of gaslighting, right? One reason there's so much interest in these types of people is because they present us with a puzzle, good and evil,

wrapped in the same package. At the most diabolical level, the Dark Empath will show up in the form of a Jimmy Savile type, which again, this is from the Guardian. Jimmy Savile for those who don't know, was an an English TV host for like 100 years, just just a super long time before eventually he was discovered to have have been a pedophile the whole time. At the end of his life, of

course. So anyway, the Jimmy Savile type, his skill in winning people's trust, posing as this charitable benefactor, allowed him to gain access to vulnerable young girls. But that's an extreme example. What's most striking about the recent research is that it reveals how prevalent the phenomena is. We identified it as a trait combination displayed by 19% of the 1000 people we surveyed. So almost one in five of us have

this personality type. But traits exist on a continuum, so it's not about everyone having a personality disorder. So let's see. Then they talk about the Dark Triad. Oh yeah, I was talking about that this morning with people. Do you want to try man about the Dark Triad? The dark triad is we studied this when I was getting my certification, the IT is psychopathy, narcissism and Machiavellianism. And I think a really great example, obviously, would be Trump. Sure.

Right where it's someone who's who's deeply manipulative with no sense of remorse. But also impulsive. Yes, yes, and the the here's the difference. The difference between a narcissist and a dark empath is that a dark empath can read how you're feeling and then exploit that to their benefit. Whereas a narcissist is to is to self evolved basically to to care what you're feeling. Yeah, like they don't even really consider it.

Right, and This is why they say the dark empath is is darker is scarier because they can get in your head and figure out it. Let's put it this way. It's me, but bad. It's somebody who can not just tell how you're feeling, but no, no, but can tell what's what's motivating you, like why you're doing something. You know why, why are you trying to turn this person against me? Because you're threatened, because you can't handle someone standing up to you.

That's what that's what I would say, like I can do. Whereas in a dark empath, we'll take that and then use it to manipulate whoever their target is, whoever their victim is, and manipulate them in in a bad way and make them vulnerable and isolate them and break them down. Whereas a narcissist, they, they do that to some degree, but they don't have the the ability to read to, to read and pick up on how somebody's feeling and what motivates somebody and what

their vulnerabilities are. So actually the work example is is illustrative. If we maybe we should backtrack. If you don't mind, I'll share this work example that the Guardian includes. So Yasmin works in event in event management. It's a very social vibe and Elaine, the new boss, like to treat us to a Friday afternoon drinks and trolley akaa few drinks being passed around

between desks. The evening would often and in the pub and soon her boss started to share confidences about her personal life, prompting Yasmin to reveal her struggles trying to get pregnant. It felt great that my boss was also becoming a good friend, she said, and mentor and it made my office life enjoyable. But things started to go wrong when Elaine confided about how stress was taking its toll on her health. She frequently asked Yasmin to take on extra tasks.

I was happy to help her, knowing what pressure she was under for management, and she also hinted that a promotion was coming up for me. But then she embarked on a not so subtle campaign to try to put me off the idea of starting a family. She'd tell me that at 35, I still had loads of time and didn't I want to prioritize my career and my future earnings first. It's only with hindsight that I realized what an outrageous

boundary overstep that was. At the time, I genuinely thought she was looking out for me. A few months later, Jasmine or Yasmine discovered that she was pregnant. She told Elaine and wasn't expecting such an extreme reaction. She says she went ballistic and started screaming. How could you do this to me after all I've done to you, Done for you? Oh. God, all right, A perfect example of both a dark empath and the dark triad.

Amy Dunn, Gone Girl, right? That Machiavellianism, that plan that she put together to to destroy her husband. Yeah, because she knows how he'd be feeling, but also how everyone observing. Right, Right. She understood optics, right? She was a narcissist. She could read people very well. I think her parents, weren't they psyched? What was it? The mother was like a children's book author or something. I think they were both. Psychologists.

Were they both psychologists? As I recall, but at least one was. Right. So she was able to read people, she was able to, she was able to plot. I mean that her plan really was pretty, pretty brilliant. Had a couple of things not gone wrong. But she is a great example of somebody who, like she knew Nick was just so weak. She knew that she knew how insecure he was. She knew that he felt like, you know, he was a writer and he he hadn't really succeeded. She knew she really, really knew

how to attack his ego. I'm. So glad you mentioned Amy Dunn because, well, I, I just always like talking about Amy Dunn. I. Love Amy Dunn is really one of the best women characters. Fictional, Yeah. Oh, for sure. Also, you know, not not really the villain, but also like, totally the villain, right. I guess like the villain, but I'm not mad at her. Right, right. Exactly. We believe in women's rights and wrongs, Sarah. Which which leads me to. Listen. But we don't judge, right?

Yeah, yeah. Which leads me to my my next question, which is like, did you also panic a little bit when you were reading this? At what part? Well, were were you not also thinking like, Oh my God, is this me? There were times reading this where I'm thinking, I really want her to get away with this. Oh my God, what's wrong with me? Oh no, I I mean the Dark Empath article were were you also reading it? Panicking a little bit thinking Oh no, this is describing me.

No, OK. No, I'm a little concerned though that you might have been, but no, because like I said, I don't. Well, OK, wait a minute. I did just have someone call me manipulative and I thought that's I don't, I don't think I'm manipulative at all. But I asked some people, what do you think? Do you think it am I manipulative? And they say it's not that you're manipulative, it's that you just state your opinion about somebody.

And because people, because you have credibility and because people trust you and think you're smart, they believe you without. And that's that's very dangerous because I don't want to be just because I have an opinion. I don't want people to just believe me because it's me. And So what is it? With great power comes great responsibility, Sarah. Yeah, it's true. But but. Unless you're the president. Unless you're the president. So I guess I'm not.

I'm not really afraid of it, But I did recognize things like, oh, I know how to. I can I can figure out what your vulnerability is and I can use it against you. OK, so that's interesting because for me there was a different like, oh, it's I guess so I guess to to sum up, it sounds like you're saying like you read this and you were like, OK, two out of three. Ergo, I'm not a dark empath.

Two out of three. Like 2 out of three traits but not a dark empath Like 2 out of three were applicable maybe? Well, what too? Which I don't know. I don't know which, but I mean it sounds like you're saying no to manipulation. Well, like, don't we all manipulate though? Don't you think we're all manipulative? Well, you want something. OK, glad you asked, because you. Think all right. As I was reading this, panicking a little bit because I was like, Oh no, it may. It may.

I've, I, you know, in the end I determined like, Oh no, like this probably isn't me because I don't manipulate people. I don't, I don't think. Yeah, I don't. Again, I don't think it's manipulation. I I I think I'm very good at presenting an argument. Yeah. Right there, there's a difference, I think. And it's not to do something bad, right? I'm not. I'm not manipulating people to hurt them.

Mm hmm but but like is that enough to not make you a darker path if you if you are admitting to manipulating mm hmm. But like you said, I don't think I don't, I don't think I manipulate people. I I think I just know how to make a good argument. OK, Is that is that manipulation? I don't know, listen, the, the part that I really identified with was not feeling empathy.

And, and please let me tell you what I mean when it, when it described like being able to empathize on a superficial level, wherein you, you know, you can read facial expressions, you understand how people are feeling intellectually. It's just that, it's just that like what you eat, is it going to make me shit, you know, if you're having a bad idea, OK, or a bad day, I mean. OK. I did a little research and I looked up on Chatty PT earlier of course. And that's a great segue to our

next topic. And the sort of traits of a dark empath is emotional manipulation, conditional empathy, charm and charisma, passive aggressive behavior, Machiavellian tendencies. And here's here's what I think separates us from actual dark empath. Dark empaths, they have a sadistic streak. Dark empaths derive pleasure from others discomfort or misfortune, even if they don't show it outwardly. Yeah, OK. And sadism is different from

schadenfreude, right? Yes. I, I want to, I want to clarify that as well, 'cause like we, we can all enjoy TikTok videos of people who voted for Trump crying 'cause they got laid off. Right. Sure can. We can all enjoy those, but we didn't. We didn't 'cause that so. Right. Can't be dark empaths, right? OK. I just, you know, it got me.

I have to admit it got me a little a little concerned that I might be a psychopath because I was like, am I really supposed to be like feeling what people feel? Because I don't, I really don't. I just feel what I feel. We might happen to feel the same thing, but again, like if you're having a bad day, I might console you, but like, I'm going to, I'm going to go on having a fine day, right? I definitely have those feelings sometimes of very being very

numb. I was thinking that with Luna the other day because I was thinking, why isn't she? I want her to be more affectionate, but also I just didn't feel. I don't feel for her. What I felt for Luca, what I felt for Moon. Maybe that's something that's coming or maybe that's just my own inability. Maybe I'm just not capable of it. I don't know. But it bothers me that I don't feel that there are certain things where I don't have any feelings.

And I, and I think a lot of it has to do with just trauma. I really do. I think trauma just numbs. Us well for sure it. Desensitizes us and but but put a video on. Put in a video on my fyp of a dog being put down and I am on the floor. Forget it, my day is done. Yeah. So I have the capability to feel certain things, but I I don't know that I feel them all the time for all people or people in general. I. Think, you know, Luna is still new to you.

So obviously your, your feelings, I think will deepen with the but I also think it's OK if they're not the same. Like I do believe in the notion of like soul pets, right? I I really do. I mean, right, you know, Sam is a soul pet for me. That's what's so weird. Sam is a soul pet for me. But in that case, we're we're getting off on a tangent with with when there's a history of trauma, it's very difficult to feel anything after certain points. Sure, right.

I. It's like a self preservation. It is. I think it is a self preservation. I do. I do think that. But that doesn't mean we're incapable of it. That doesn't mean that we can't be kind and compassionate. Even if we don't feel it, we can. We can mask it. Doesn't mean we're evil. Right, right, right. It is. It really is the sadism and the extreme to which we that we're narcissistic or the OR or that we're self involved. Right. Yeah. And sadism. Yeah, it has. It has a degree of

intentionality. I did. Right, very much so. Which is. Which is the difference between that and, as I said, schadenfreude. So I guess in conclusion, don't panic if you if you have one or two or even 3 of the dark triad traits as long as you aren't sadistic. I, I do, you know, emotional manipulation. I, I, I think we all do that. I really, I really do. I don't think we all do that. You don't. You don't think we all do that? No, at least not intentionally.

OK, not intentionally, all right? Conditional empathy. I definitely do that. Sure. Charm and charisma. Sure. I'm. I'm a fucking delight. What about you passive aggressive behavior? I don't think. I think we're aggressive, aggressive. Sure. OK, the next one. Machiavellian tendencies. They believe that the ends justify the means and use their social skills and empathy as tools to achieve personal goals. They may manipulate social dynamics, pit people against each other, or use flattery

strategically. Yeah, I know somebody like this. I've seen this in action. And that's that's not you either. Part of it is I think, I mean, but again, like I, I feel like part of this just describes everybody like like insincere pleasantries, like we all do that the the part I don't do is pitting people against each other. Correct, correct. But you know why I don't do that? Because I know it'll backfire, not because it's wrong. Exactly. Well, OK, Fairpoint.

If I could, if I could get away with it, obviously I'd be doing that you. Would All right, so in conclusion, we may or may not be dark empaths, all right, Well, we're not. Sadistic. But we're not sadistic. So that's the we're going to cling to that one as best we can. I want to hear if you guys have ever dealt with a dark empath or somebody who falls under the, the, the dark triad category. Yeah. Is there anybody in your life that you've that you've had to deal with in that?

Particular is there anybody that you have identified as like, yeah, strong for the Dark Triad but like that you don't consider a threat like I'm I'm. Dealing with this now with somebody with, with a woman in the true crime community. I'm dealing with this definitely. She's one of those pitting people against each other and manipulating situations. And yeah. It seems like there's a lot of that in the true crime

community. There really is because you're dealing with an awful lot of fucking psychopaths and narcissists. And you know, The thing is, is that you what what it comes down to is you're dealing with a lot of people who have a lot of trauma and some of it is healed and some of it isn't. And when the unhealed and the healed are in the same dynamic or in the same? Group it can create. A lot of chaos. Like lions and gazelles. Lions and and gazelles.

Exactly. All right, Sarah, we know how this is going to go. This is we know how this is going to go. If you want, we have a change of format coming up in March where we are going to be starting a series and we've come up with a title. And I need to thank Sheila for this title because it was so good. And I it's like Sarah said, I can't believe we didn't come up with any weight puns. Actually embarrassing for us. Right.

And the, this the segment the series is going to be called and it's a, it's about our GLP journeys and what brought us there, what our experiences and just a lot of things not just around weight, but around, you know, Sarah, Sarah is, has also started. And. So we have sort of a perimenopause view and A and a post menopause view, which I think is something we don't talk about a lot. And we're calling it Worth the wait, which I love. This is what we're calling the

series. So that starts in March and that's going to start the first week in March and it's going to be bi weekly. And then in the like in the weeks between, we'll be dating advice episodes. We're also going to be changing the tiers on Patreon. They're not going to be that different. You're still going to be getting a lot of the same benefits. We're but we're just going to be sort of retooling everything.

But that starts in March. And if you know the GOP is going to be for paid subscribers only, the dating advice. We're. Going to get pretty personal there. The dating advice posts are going to be free and we will do bonus episodes as well, so that for people who might want to subscribe to a tier that includes the bonus dating content. So you can go to patreon.com/datology Coach and subscribe. I'm excited.

We've already started recording and talking and discussing our experiences because we've both already started and I'm excited to share it with you. I want to hear your stories as well. I really want to make this more of a sort of a community thing. So go to patreon.com/datology

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