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that will speak today as well. Yes, indeed, that's true. My name is Katie Still. I'm one of those people speaking today as well. And you are Robert Evans. That is technically correct. Today we are talking about some of the silliest things of this year, which is a silly year. Like all the years from now on until the end of this is the silliest year ever. Yes, whack whacka. I'm I'm great. You're great. I'm great, I'm doing great.

Everything seems fine. I'm optimistic. Good. Hey, that's great. Have you been feeling that way for a while or is that just like you slept well last night? You jumped out of the bed with a little pep in your step. The birds are chirping kind of vibes. I think it all started to turn around for me last night when I watched the original Gene Wilder and Zero Mostel version of The Producers. Oh it's so good, Oh man, Gene

Wilder that we got. We got a lot of Gene Wilder, considering how few Gene Wilders there are in the universe. A good role for a while. Since then, I love that. It's a really sweet and treasured thing that you just shared with this Gene Wilder has made your life such a good place. I think of our lives. Yeah, he has. He certainly has. Um Cody to answer your question, I don't feel good, boo, and I'm here. Sophie kept saying, you can not record, and I said, no, I'm going

to record. I'm just going to complain about it. Yeah, that's the American dream. Still having to work and yeah first and Katie was like, this is Katie's Battle of the Chosen Reservoir. Here I am. Look, it's kind of like, uh, it's internalized capitalism, is what it is. It's this pressure of feeling like I'm not dying. I'm working from home, I'm in my computer. I've got a space heater at

my feet. I've got a variety of beverages. I'm basically just sitting here doing what I would do if I wasn't working, you know, so I was going to say, go to you, you you go, how are you? I'm fine. I got a bit of a headache, but who doesn't these days, you know, Robert not me. Baby. I took fifty ccs a Gene Wilder that also Zero Mostell also great. Yeah.

Also maybe I'll watch I mean films. If you want to see a good Zero Mostell moment, you can find on YouTube him and I believe it was the Tony's doing because he was I think the original Tabia in Fiddler doing uh if I were a rich man, And it's fucking incredible, absolutely the best version of that song.

Um sorry, I put that in the episode right here. Yeah, just put the entirety of Zero most Stell singing if I were, and then just pop in the audio from a funny thing happened on the way to the forums, the entire Oh my god, you're right, yes, ah god, a great movie. I mean, we've got let's just take other people's work and put it in this podcast. And we're trying to. We're trying to survive the worst year ever, So I want way to do that is just I mean,

listen to a podcast that is actually an entire movie. Yeah, let's do a podcast that's the entirety of the funny thing happened on the way to the forum. They can't be watching that. That copyright. We can get away with it a podcast version of it. Yeah, so this just turns into kazah. Yeah, here's all of Lincoln Park. The Jumble of Letters is the title of every episode. You get a virus on your phone when you download it. I think music. Yeah, yes, where we go? Now did

you see what I did there? Unfortunately? Yeah? Yeah, all right, Well you have to talk about the news of this week, and I'm sorry that everybody collectively remembered at the same time the terrible news that we're going to start off. Oh man, the Astro world ship. Robert just caught up. Yeah, I'm pulling up my my research here. Um, yeah, that's fucked up. So this weekend, there's this guy called Travis Scott. If you don't, if you're not, as you know, up on the kids and youth culture as I am. Um,

I'm very connected. Um, means I even know that they're moving from Poggers to just pog That's that's that's real bleeding edge of people. That's that's it's gonna be tough for a lot of people. This is this is going to be the great change of our time. UM. But Travis Scott, very popular hip hop musician, UM a Houston native. UM. He dropped a couple of years ago, like his big album, his breakthrough was called Astro World, and it was named after the Houston six Flags that was no longer there,

but like he grew up in Houston. It was named at like he he named his album, and he named like this this festival that he started for for that album that he's done every year since he's done I think three or four times, UM called it Astro World, and so, like part of the idea, and this matters for some of what's coming next. Part of like the idea of the aesthetics of the festival is that aspects of it kind of mimic that old six Flags that

he remembered going to when he was a kid. UM, and that was a big part of just like local Houston culture. UM. So he's he's also like a like a piece of ship, Like Travis Scott is a bad person um and has There's been a lot of evidence about that for years, among other things, like his old manager, Um, the guy who like like this is all on record, the guy who like faked a bunch of doubt, like put together like a fake, bought network to give his music on Spotify a ton of downloads at the start

of his career to like raise his profile. Like his manager who's hugely responsible, had like a seizure one day while they were all together and like passed out and was dying, and Travis Scott just bounced, just was like I'm like just left. Um. There's other ship. Like there's video of him somebody he's crowd surfing and someone tries to take his shoe and he he get He like orders the crowd to funk them up, um, and the

crowd does. He likes a lot of moh ing. He likes the crowd to be like really um aggressive and out of control. But it's not like so does rage except for you know, rage against the machine. Like they take a lot of care, like they're paying attention to what's going on in the pit. Um. They have stopped shows or they've like called out when somebody's in trouble.

Um fucking post Malone does that. Like, like there's just most act most musicians who do who for whom shows like that are a part of, like the culture around their music take a lot of care, like I mean, and the ones that don't, they're generally are responsible for tragedies. And that's what happens to Like, he's not just musicians, Like people that participate in mosh pits understand the deal.

And I think some of this is just Travis Scott is not doing the kind of hip hop is not as much like does not have like a mashing tradition like punk, does you know. I think that this is what happened was a surprise for a lot of the people that especially this is a very young execuing audience, a lot of younger kids. I mean, I know that mosh pit culture, maybe people understand that and protecting and looking out for each other, but this, yeah, I think

it was something else. I think it was a mix of people who before they got into Travis Scott, maybe they hadn't done a lot of mashing, they hadn't been the concerts like that. But also the fact that his his level of the bands that people mash too, with some exceptions like more of that is done like kind of at a lower level of fame, so you don't have fifty people UM. And ultimately most of the problems came down to like the sheer density of people in

the room. And it's one of those things where I think, there there's you act really like regardless of how used to are not used to the people were there's a point with a crowd situation at which human choice from the people who are in the in the crowd surge UM is meaningless because a certain level of density and I think it's about like seven people per square meter UM, it stops mattering the decisions people make as much as

the rules of fluid dynamics. So there are like waves and crowds like that and contractions and at high enough like eleven or twelve people I think per square meter when you have enough density UM. Among other things, like one of the things that can happen in a dense enough crowd, it's not people getting trampled that kills them, it's it's asphyxiation UM. So they can get so dense that you breathe out and you can't breathe back in Um how I mean? I I I also I guess

it's just that everybody is surged into one area. But it's like the the attendance of the space because there were warnings there. There is a whole document and uh, people were aware that this could potentially be literally fatal. There's there's prep documents. Yeah, and one I would recommend that I read today is The Causes and Prevention of Crowd Disasters by John J. Frewen Um, who is a PhD and like crowd safety dynamics, and uh, yeah, this is well known and you shouldn't have an event of

that size if you're not coming in prepared. And there's there's stuff that people are like criticizing the venue in the event for that isn't reasonable, Like an article drop today where they're like their code word for dead people over the radio was smurfs, which is actually completely reasonable. Well, because you don't want to be freaking people out exactly. The whole point of the code word is to create, is to use something like it's not mockery, it's it's

not like it. But I but I did. I shared that article with you guys because just the the context of preparing and planning for this. To me, I, I just don't understand how knowing that this is a possibility, than it does happen and you see it happening and nobody's stopping the show. You know, we don't And again we're reporting on the we're talking about this reporting. Yeah,

there's some, but there's not. Like one of the things that people are talking about that I think is is credible and that we may find there's something to it, is that the venue, certain things like where the water stations were and where the egress points were had been changed around and reduced in a way that that negatively affected the crush of the crowd in order to clear

angles for live stream cameras. UM and I we don't know that that's the case, but it's it's something that's like people should be like I I there's going to be like a full investigation into this, so I think will eventually understand exactly what happened. But a lot of it is just that like when you have a crowd this Dan, you should you shouldn't have a crowd this

dance You just shouldn't. UM, you need you don't, Like we know the density of people in the amount of space that's necessary to safely hold people in an event like this, And part of it is like a stadium seating is or festival seating is a big problem, which is just where people are able to You don't have

an assigned area. You just kind of try to get as close as you can, which leads to groups of people because crowds are made up of small groups all kind of trying to independently get as far forward and then when things go badly, get out at the same time.

I mean, I've certainly never been in anything like that, but I've been in a crowd of people at a concert pushing forward and feeling carried by your away and yeah, and I can't even imagine having that crush of people coming down on you, like yeah, it feels like yeah, and everybody's losing perspective and yeah yeah. And it's if you ever do find yourself in a situation like that, there are a couple of things you can do. One thing, you know, and this this one is the more obvious one.

You want to try to avoid falling over if at all possible, but that's not always doable, and in in certain densities. One of the best things for you maybe to take to a hardened fetal position um with your kind of like arms up around your head down on if you're going to get down on the ground, which can preserve a bubble of air for you. There's people

who have survived in crushes, were like a hundreds asphyxiated. Um. And one of the things that's really fucked up about this if you read into like crowd disasters, this is a small one. Um. Like when you when you talk about like there was this one a few years back in Mecca where there were two crowds heading towards each other at the same time and they got stuck in this one kind of choke point area during like the Hajj, and twenty people died in a crush. Um. It was

like it was like a Night eleven like level thing. Um. But it happens a lot, and um, it happens a lot in concerts and stuff like it. It's this is not nearly the first time that this has happened. Um. And and that's why it's it's so uh, it's so unacceptable that it happened this time, because it hasn't happened you haven't seen a lot of cases like this in the US recently. Like the one of the big ones in nineteen was in Cincinnati, Ohio, which was a ten

person venue, um, and eleven people died. UM. In nineteen ninety one, there was a music festival in Salt Lake City where three people died. I'm not quite sure how big that festival is, but they I think they were both fractions of what Travis Scott had out and they, you know, the people responsible for planning this like that. There's a degree to which I think Travis's culpability is

in the way he continually urges the crowd to ignore security. Um. You can make a point about like the fact that he didn't recognize it was serious when he saw emergency lights in the audience um, and and like well, and that he has a history of this. It's not like this is new to him. It's not them and and so that feels unconscionable. It is unconscionable, um, Like it's it's just it's also I think I don't know liable like legally, but well, it kind of depends in part

in his relationship, like it's his festival. UM, So I don't know, the extent to which the venue was the one making plans for stuff like crowd management, Like is that something ven you said, Hey, you just bring the people in, like it's our job to do crowd management. If that's the case, then his his liability is I think significantly reduced. But a lot of people had to funk up for this to get so bad, And it's well, what's what's but But it's also the kind of thing

that like this happens, Um. It's happened consistently throughout history. It happens at religious events, it happens in malls, it happens um during natural disasters, it happens during fires, it happens during you know, for a wide variety of reasons, and it will always keep happening. And the best thing that can be done is people try to, you know, when something like this happens, make changes as a result

from it. If people are criminally negligent, you know, um, make sure that they're not at a position to be working at an event like this in the future. YadA, YadA, YadA. There's a number of things to be learned from this. What's frustrating about it is um kind of what's been happening in the wake of it with this little satanic panic. We're say, speaking of religion, do you want to talk about the power Satan? Yeah? I think that's the more. Yeah, so before we talk about the all powerful Satan. Um,

here's another form of Satan advertise so nice? That does that work that? I doubt it? Together everything, so don't don't don't And we're back and we are bad and we are here to have come to back. Yes, we have come to back. Hello. Hello, Hi, Now let's talk about a satanic panic, shall we? I do love Satan? We were going to pick up Yeah, that's where we'll pick up. Um. Yeah, I don't know. I've seen a

lot of tiktoks that are pretty silly. Yeah. One was about how before the show they played the so called fear frequency, which is a frequency that allegedly makes you anxious. Is this like the Havana syndrome? I mean kind of in that like it's like not a scientifically like proven thing like viable uh theory um. And they like just played like the music that was playing beforehand, and it was that likesht tosh dot Like it was just very fast like sort of like you know, the kind of

bullshit you'd hear before a concert. Um that I would agree is like unpleasant. Um, but thee but like the alleged of fear frequencies, like it's like nineteen hurts I think, which is like you can't hear that, Like the human ears incapable of hearing that frequency. So like I don't know how you can listen to music go and then go that's the fear frequency. Because what they're like, they're

just saying it's like unpleasant. It seems like. Um, but my guess is that they didn't purposely purposefully play the fear frequency so that it would rile the crowd up and make them all scared. Um is my is my Yeah, I think that my little my little pet. Yeah, I would guess that that that. I don't think anyone's even adequately proven that the fear frequency can work in that kind of way at that kind of scale. Oh, I

would agree with that. Yeah, Like it's one thing, like I've heard the story they're like, yeah, maybe that a lot of ghosts are related to the fact that like there's hurts is that you know that are unsettling to us and they occur as the result of pipes vibrating in places, and it just people keep getting spooked out, and that's that's where a lot of ghost stories come from. That's like, sure, maybe, um, the entire crowd with because also, again, the thing is, it's not about one of the things.

This the study I said it earlier goes into a lot of these disasters are not because people panic, and in fact, panic is not the most common reason this happens the crowd. Crowds are made up of groups of individuals that, within the context of that group and their awareness of their surroundings, tend to make rational decisions that

are oriented to the safety of the group. The problem is that the nature of a crowd like that means that a bunch of different groups of people all trying to make what are the best decisions available, leads to these chaotic disasters where people get the air sucked out of their lungs or you know, trampled or whatever because of how large packed groups of people work. Because you're not a group of people anymore, You're a fucking flood,

you know. Um, it's not it's they're not scaring people with spooky noise so that they yeah, because it's anyway not that I'm saying the crowd this crowd was because crowds do panic and that can also cause these situations. But yeah, that's not the reliable, necessarily way to cause a crush. Putting fifty people inside of a fairly small area was not enough good exits, not enough water stations, and a ship lit of drugs is a great way

to have this happen. Um. Those are the things that happen at concerts, yeah, or involved who knows, like people o D at these events, It's not an uncommon thing. They have a lot of plans for it. And when you have for every person who's getting high enough to o D, there's a thousand more who were getting pretty close to that line, but they managed to like keep right below it, um, which again complicates crowd management. And

you know that going into it. You know that a Travis Scott crowd is going to be the size of a small city and everybody's going to be fucked up, um, And you take that into account otherwise you don't do it anyway. It's frustrating, but it's frustrated that like people are turning this into like satanic panic nonsense. Um, Right, Like it was like intended and they wanted it to

happen more. There's more to this whole conversation. I don't have it on in front of me, But what are the other things there was like talking about what he was wearing, and yeah, one of the big things for them is so on the you entered the venue apparently through like a big fake Travis Scott head like you like through the mouth um, and people are like they've been like screen grabs from like frames of Metropolis at the Temple of Moloch and like other places like Temples

of Moloch, which I guess tended to have a face. You entered them through a face at least in like the media. These people watched and they're like, see this is a ritual to Moloch, which is big among this crowd. He's like, you know, the Devil's like everybody knows about the devil. If you start talking about their worshiping Molak. It's just see that's into like the Builderberg group conspiracies, a bunch of ships. So um, they there's this conspiracy

like it was the head of Molok. This was all like a dark ritual and that's why the reality is that the Astro World six Flags that Travis Scott clearly loved as a kid and is patterning his event from the Big Slide, this huge Texas slide that was like the big event. You entered the line through it by walking through the mouth of a giant head. That was like pretty obvious. And he's like, yeah, it's the thing he's doing. It's even if, even if that's not a

specific thing that he's drawing from. It is a giant head that you walk through to enter I've been through. You walk through Woody's head to get into the Pixar store, Like yeah, yeah, And you know something that we said about like Disney being satanic but that but not in the way that they're talking about, like it's just nonsense. Um, like there's just like these rituals built into you're crossing the threshold to like, no, it's just a giant head. It's just a big head seat aren't we like like

human beings? Aren't we Like what if it's a giant head when it's a big end, we walked through it. We're coming big heads. Yeah, we are capable of making a giant head as a doorway. What if we did that? You know, we made a big head doorway. That'd be neat. What have it looked like a dragon's mouth? Wow? Yeah, that'll be a great way to introduce this White Snake concert. What if we have fire involved fires? The devil no fires, just like people like to look at things that are fire.

People love fire. If it was the first, it was the first television, it was the first thing we ever invented. You look at the fire and images passed through your brain. Um, yeah, it's just nonsense of ridiculous and uh yeah, Like nobody when the fucking there was that nightclub fire at like two thousand one or two, We're like this, the band's pyrotechnic set the whole room on fire and like a

funkload of people died. Um it was like yeah, nobody was like it was a devil rich They were like, oh yeah, it was too many people crammed into a tiny dank bar without functional exits and the walls were covered in paper cladding that you could light on fire really easily. But he died like people like, uh, due to many many factors. Spectacle and shiny things and bright lights and loud noises, And that's what we do oftentimes at these big events and it's not because we're worshiping.

It's not always because it's not always, because it's not always sometimes. And I feel like if that's what this is, I would have been given the memo. Should we talk about Josh Holly's Yeah, let's talk about Josh Holly. He is he against Satan? No? No, he is he No he's not pro Satan, he's he's against Satan. Unles Satan has happens to be a real manly man, in which case he's for it. Um. Senator Josh Holly wants to

make it masculinity a singular, a signature political issue. Um, you know, basically saying that the Left is telling men that you're part of the problem in here. Masculinity is inherently problematic. You know, you're spending too much time on video games and porn. Um. Yeah, yeah, that's fun. This is um. So much about this is like it's just well, it's just interesting that like the satanic panic stuff is going on and now we have this like video games

and and like it's all kind of the same stuff. Yeah, and expressed differently. Well, I mean it's totally is it's you know, yeah, go ahead, Um, no, that's it. I just think Josh Holly's a silly person, a silly man um and maybe he's not the pashion of masculinity that he would like to be to be of this. All of these guys, they're they're all doing a Ron Swanson right, Like that's that's what they decided back in I don't know, Like whenever that show was on, was like, I have

to smoke the cigars. I have to like Scotch, I have to do woodworking at Tucker Carlson's. Like that's what he's got this photos. If you watch any other videos, it's all leather chairs and a fireplace and they're all pretending to smoke cigars. Yeah no, this really what this really feels like, is Okay, let me read this as conservatives. We've got to call men back to responsibility, Holly said.

We've got to say that spending your time not working, spending your time on video games, spending your time watching porn online, it's not good for you, your family, or this country. Can we be surprised that, after years of being told that their manhood is the problem, more and more men are withdrawing into the enclave of vitalness and

pornography and video games. So what this really feels like to be I mean, there's a lot of stuff here, but it's another way of saying all of these problems we have with society are because the liberals are making you not feel good about yourself. Like no, people are depressed because we actually have a toxic culture of toxic masculinity, or men don't speak to each other where men don't feel like it's okay to cry or to have problems

or to admit that they need help. Yeah, or more atomized and like we're disconnected even though we're like quote connected and stuff, and there are a lot of things going on, and like the idea I'm curious. So my my thing with Josh Holly and these like all these

guys specifically are like, then what do you propose? Because because it seems like he just wants to be fucking Jordan Peterson and like give talks about masculinity like how to like show responsibility, which is fine, go do that, but you're trying to be a lawmaker or the president one day probably, but you're a lawmaker, So what do you propose? What what are you saying then that you want to do if it's not just this sort of

like how is the political issue for you? I mean it's but it's this is just how the Republican Party functions now because for the last entirety of our adult lives, every major policy they've pushed for has been disastrous, boarding on calamitous, and like after the financial crash in two thousand eight, they kind of stopped being able to pretend we have policies that are going to help people, which is why the culture war has become such a big

deal because they have two levers. They have hurt a specific group of people, or they have yell about whatever the left is doing. And it's actually hard, sometimes harder sometimes to hurt specific groups of people than they want to deal with. So yell at how the Left just fucked up is like the number one thing they can do. Yeah, it's all they have. Um, there's a and maybe get this a little later with the relations of all the

money going into these people. But like, uh, and in a Some Mornings episode this week we talked about about Blake Masters is another one one of these holly weirdos, And it's the same sort of thing where like you have to demonize the left and do this culture wars stuff and point to every once in a while you point to a real problem, but your diagnosis is off, your analysis is off, and you can't actually do the solution.

Like he'll talk about like, oh, it should be good to like raise a family on one income, We should be able to do that, but the left says it's sexist, like well, no, Elizabeth Warren wrote a book on it, like it's the left doesn't think that, like you shouldn't have a living wage? What are you talking about? But he can't. But he can't take it to the next level of saying like and therefore we should raise the minimum way and like do all these things that his

party actually doesn't want to do. So like with Holly, it's like you just you're just saying this to get your little points, but you don't actually have any solution, for you're not actually saying what you want to do. But you also don't really have Well that's the other thing, obviously, because like everyone they want to want you to hate

being a man. It's like, well, no, you're not actually taking what anyone is saying at face value or like really uh hearing what they're saying about the toxic aspects of masculinity, and there's like toxic femininity. There's all like toxic everything. Uh And by pointing that out, you're not saying everything is bad, but they have to say it

like that. Here's an example of toxicity. If the strictures by within which someone can be considered a proper man are so narrow that it basically boils down to a

series of aesthetics and an attitude that can never be broken. Um, then maybe you'll be forced to do things you hate, like smoke cigars all the time on camera that people believe it, and you spend the rest of your life insecure because you don't actually like any of these things that you have to like to a man, because woodworking is hard and there's other fabrics than leather, and Scotch makes my tummy hurt. Um, and I know Scotch makes all of their tummies hurt. Of course, of course it done,

and that's fine. Not everyone has to like Scotch. I don't like gin like it's whatever. And just because I'm a lady doesn't mean I have to like a gin and tonic. No, No, the only toxic to There's a number of things to hate about the gin and Tonic, including all of the English lives they saved. But that's

a story for another day, no time for that. Um. But yeah, I know it's very um and that's I mean, that is a great example where it's like you're just like you're forcing yourself into this box, like you don't have to live there. You don't have to live there, you don't. It's okay. I have seen people who are who do woodworking compulsively, and I've seen their shops. They don't look like yours. Yeah, fancy garage you got there, Yeah, you paid everything. He's just so clearly, um, concerned of

not seeming man masculin enough. They feels like that they all are. Holly. Well, I think there's differences to me because I don't think Tucker is concerned with the fact that Tucker is very conscious like oh this will be the best marketing thing. Oh yeah, No, he's like he's like very like, oh yeah. I think that's what I was saying. I think, Holly, it matters to Holly. I picked on Shapiro too. Kid kissing his wife of course, Oh my god, that's I wouldn't call that a kiss, Katie.

That's not a kiss. Joy, That is your grandparents, your grandma. Yeah, yeah, I mean when you don't want to be embarrassed, wanted to chase his It's like his lips are curling inward. That's it's it's that episode of the Office where Michael Scott forces kiss on Oscar and it's just like pulling back from it. He I will say, he Josh Holly kisses his wife the way Bin Shapiro smokes a cigar.

That's really perfect Roberto Um episode title. It's it's like, well, it's like and like we talked about this in our Steven Crowder episode recently too, Like he clearly is like a musical theater kid. I just want you to do like I want to do parodies of West Side Story and like be a part of this and like do shows. And but he knows, like, well, I gotta I gotta wear my gun holsters, and I gotta smoke a cigar and I gotta drink this stuff. Yeah, It's it's like

Stephen Crowder only posing with a shoulder holster. Like do your little costume stuff, do your songs. It's fine, just a little boy, and to dress up. You can be manly whatever that means to you. And still do that. Look at Channing Tatum like what do we what are we doing? Yeah, nobody Channing Tatum's masculinity because he's Channing would yeah, yeah, he's nothing. He doesn't hide much Tatum. Um. Yeah, it's all just very um, it's very performative and silly.

And like again, like Josh, you're you're a senator, what are you proposing? Like are you gonna like is it like you want to like force men into like a specific type of service to show them responsibility? I mean, do you want to ban porn? Do you want to be like what are you proposing beyond? Just like there is the Jordan people talk and I want to be him.

I mean the unsettling part of this is always the unsettling thing with fascists, which is that they say bullshit because it gets them likes um from the beginning, and that's what they do, and then when they wind up in power, they're like, ship, we gotta well we have to do it. How do you do it? You know? Um? That was a big thing with the Nazis, and like it's a problem. So like say Josh, how he gets

into power? Logically, it's the same thing with like some of the ship during Peterson says, well, if you're saying you as a man shouldn't be playing video games because you should be work all the time, is there at a level at which you mandate it. We have certainly had legal requirements that people be employed in different parts of this country at different periods of time, mainly to

oppress black people. But like, that's the example, is that the logical next step of what you literally make the government regulate how people spend their time so that men are doing manly things. Otherwise you just want to be a motivational speaker that your your potential um mental health issues are because the Left are making you feel bad

about yourself. Yeah, not that, like is the other part of this You not that there's right, not that there's something wrong culturally socially, or that we've just been through a pandemic continue to be in one, or you know you can't afford there's two where there's no hope from your generation, where you'll never be able to earn a home. You know, that's a good concise way of putting it. Where you've had eleven jobs in four years, and no, it's none of verbally abused by half your employers. Like,

none of that's the problem. It's the left. The left. It's not that like escapism is a good Escapism is a reasonable thing to do to try to deal with the world. The Republicans have doggedly insisted we not change for you continue to not change whatever. Don't worry. It's

not that we're going to build back better. Yeah, it's not that you're frustrated because you love musical theater and you fucking hate cigars, but you feel the need to, I don't know, listen to a C d C And smoke maccan noodos because you want your friends to see that you're a man. You know, it's fine, just go like it's go, have a go, have a water or milk, and listen to your show tunes. It's okay. Yeah, who

gives a ship. We got to take a break, yeah for advertisement, you mean we get to take a break, as they say across the pond, we get to take a break. We need to take a break. We get to take a break. Everything all we are back. So before we get into some other stuff, here's some other stuff. I do think it's related to the holly of it all, and this sort of like, uh, taking a thing it's like true and then warping it to be like, oh, look what the left is saying, and then like if

fizzles apart. Um, our favorite, our favorite guy, Mayor Pete was talking recently about you know, infrastructure bill and where money is gonna go and highways and stuff, and he mentioned, uh, some of the racist some of the racism that went into the construction of our highway system. Cody, this was a really good transition. Sorry, thank you so much. Um

continue Uh and he said, here's just a quote. If an underpass was constructed such that a bus carrying mostly black and Puerto Rican kids to a beach in New York was designed to design too low for it to pass by, that obviously reflects racism that went into those design choices. Um to which, Uh, a bunch of disingenuous freaks like um Ted Cruise for example, would just like respond like roads are racist, we gotta get rid of roads.

Um because he's just a complete clown, full of ship man who doesn't believe in anything other than attention and power and yes, go, no, no, you go, you finish your thought. Um that's it. It's just bullshit because obviously, like there's this is a true thing look into uh like Robert Moses specifically is best friend would wrote about it. Yeah, I'll just read it like in a biography of Moses

written by a best friend of his. States the construction of bridges and overpasses were designed too low for busses to pass. Bus trips therefore had to be made on local roads, making the trips discouragingly long and arduous for Negroes, whom he considered inherently dirty. There were further measures. Busses needed permits to enter state parks. Buses chartered by negro groups found it very difficult to obtain permits, particularly to

Moses beloved Jones Beach. It's just like a thing that I've got one more I'm going to read from a Bloomberg article. Bloomberg article, and this is somebody that's trying to push back slightly on that. But but still that's just context. There is little question that Moses held patently bigoted views, but what, but to what extent were these prejudices embedded in his public works? Very much so, according to Caro, who describes Moses as quote the most racist

human being I had ever really encountered. The evidence is legion minority neighborhood, it's bulldozed for urban renewal projects. Um simony and the details in a Harlem playground elaborate attempts to discourage non whites from certain parks and pools. Um, there's more that I would read, but it's actually offensive. But quote so you get the point that this is not something that's just like, um, some liberal theory. This is a well documented Yeah, it's just literally a person.

We're talking about the structures that which we live and the society which we have created for ourselves. Infrastructure. Yeah, the people who had a large hand in that construction were you know, many of them were racist, and many of their impulses and plans were Cody sort of some sort of racism with structure, with racism of a structure, structures that the racism that's in the it's like a Reese's pieces, but of racism and infrastructure that burns our

daily lives. I feel like there's no term that uh yeah, that well, clearly we're the first people to have this idea. Um, we should really get on the horn with the Yeah, we need to call some people and tell them to figure out how to fucking talk about this. It's so frustrating, like like just to see like you're a fucking senator, like so the roads are racist, we gotta ban the roads. Well, then how can anyone take you seriously if that's just

like how you react. But that's all you do because you don't is there's no there's no like the this idea that was like sold to me when I was a kid, that there's like this is the great you know, it's it's what the West wing leans on a ton It's like this is the great debate between you know, left and right that plays out within you know, democracy of the United States, and you know, sometimes one side get something right and another and like we we arrive

at truth by you know, our our our different and differing ideas about like reality and and and seeing how they work when we institute them. And that don't think has ever been the case. It was just a pack of lies that was sold to us. But this makes it clear like Ted Cruz isn't interested in having a debate about how society ought to be structured. He's not interested in learning new things about how to more effectively

govern and and organize like human society. He's not interested in that because it is that his job is gone. If he is exactly it's manufacturing. He's like, I'm not that, I'm an idiot. That's not the guy in an ideal world, in the West wing world, you're not debating reality. You're not debating facts about how things happened and what happened and why they were done and the results of that.

You're debating what to do about them. So like a reasonable honest person would go wow, uh, like like Ted Cruz, like straight up if he was just like Pete may or Pete's right about this, they were there is racism built into the roads. That is literally what happened, and I've proposed we don't do anything about it. Yeah, that's like the honest approach. Do something about or don't do

something about it. It's the same with climate change, Like they couldn't argue on like what to do about it because the easiest thing for them to do is say it's not actually happening. So you're just debating the reality uh that we can all see is true and saying like, well, actually, like we shouldn't do anything about it because it's not happening. When what they are really saying is we shouldn't do anything about it because I need I need my money,

I need my power. I can't admit that that's true. I have to pretend it's not. Um. But in an ideal world, be like, well, okay, global warming is happening, climent is happening. What do you want to do about it? Well, the left wants to do something about and the right doesn't. And that's the argument that's being had. Um, But it's not feel like broken records every week, every day, the same problems. You have to say the same thing not you have. But yeah, there's what do you say the

same ship over and over, different packaging. It's incredible to go back to the West Wing. There's an episode of the West Wing which my my parents who were dying, I heard Republicans loved um, which says something about maybe not so great, um, but whatever. So there's a fucking scene.

There's a fucking episode of the West Wing where like the President who's played by the guy from Apocalypse now, um but old Martin Sheen, some people call him yes, um, ess dad's daughter gets kidnapped and he temporarily stops being the president. You know, like because he's like, I can't make a uh, I can't like make good decisions. My

daughter has been kidnapped. And because some ships happened with his vice president, the Speaker of the House, who is a Republican played by John Goodman, takes over and there's like this conversation between the two of them about like you know, John Goodban's like, I never wanted to be president. This was never my ambition. Um, Like and and Martin Sheen is like, you know, are the Republicans? Are you going?

Like it's up to you to like give the presidency back to me, like nobody knows how it's going to go. And John Gibbons like, are you kidding? The entire country loves what you're doing. It is supposed to. Like if in even at that point in time, in the real world, the Republican would have called the Democratic president who stepped down because daddy get kidnapped, fucking CUK, that's how that would actually go. Yeah, I mean the weak bartlet the West wing is a neoliberal. It is a fantasy. It

is a ridiculous fantasy. Yeah, you in order to make a speech, sure, that's untouching moment. Yeah, Like in order to have a Speaker of the House be likable and not shatter suspension of disbelief into a thousand pieces, they had to bring in all of the charisma of John Goodman, which is like, is formidable, it's good casting perfect Speaker of the House, a job that had most recently been held in the real world by a pedophile. That line,

because Speaker of the House disaster was a huge benefile. Really, just forget about Hastart entirely. The Speaker of the House. The longest serving Republican always Cody. That is true. Yeah, they don't leave a space for all the pedophiles. How do we make people forget the last one of these guys in the real world was raping kids. Get John Goodman. Nobody can think about bad things when they're looking at John Goodman, which is true. That is true. It's true.

He's wonderful. Yeah, I'm not thinking about I'm thinking about him right now. Yeah, I was too, but then I started thinking about Roseanne, and I thought, does that count as thinking of something that's not so good? What do you think about John Goodness? Sorry, I'm just being honest. He was pretty funny in that movie about the Sully but he's drunk, he's good and everything he does he's always a joy. Forgot that, Like in my mind, it was like the coke Dealer in that movie. It's a

ton of fun. Yeah, there's two scenes of Speak of the House in the nineties, but it was like for most of the ear the two thousand's, Oh when did he It was like really until he was until two thousand seven. Boy, yeah, you're right, he got he got sentenced and just but like in my mind that's Clinton ship. Yeah yeah, me too. Know, like the West Wing is going on. I guess the actual Speaker of the House for a chunk of it is fucking child molester. Amazing, amazing,

good work, good good. I feel like the West this is where we should leave our episode today on this Yeah, yeah, or I mean there's lots of other stuff we could talk about. We can talk about it. We can talk about the Verry White School for Prigger. You d yeah, we should talk a little bit about that. Why that that's just good fun, right, that's just good fun. It could be, it will be. It will be a lot of good fun. A lot of people are gonna make

money and then that's all that's going to happen from that. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's just going to I think probably what's going to happen because they've already said like we're not accredited, like we can't offer degrees again class. Yeah, I don't know.

There's just this this frustrating thing that I'm going to have with this that I also have weirdly enough with Crypto, where like you explain why it's ridiculous, and a lot of the reasons why this will be ridiculous will also be why higher education is ridiculous, because at the end of the day, I can't say paying to not get a degree is necessarily going to lead you to a different outcome than paying to get a degree based on

the experiences a lot of my friends had. Sure, I mean there's also a lot a lot of people people it's just such a weird, like reactionary thing, like the claim that like there's no conservative like professors on any of these campuses. There's open like there's no conservatism, it's not welcome like all the schools you're saying all the schools well, and the school also like I love the idea because in their their release they talk about how

they're going to offer quote forbidden courses. Yeah, I really want to know what those are that because if it's like science, like like I don't know what you're doing, it might be really I'm surd sure DNA and i Q is going to be like a whole there's gonna be a lot of this one. What Pano Pano Canelos is the inaugural um put out this this essay and included this fact um, four out of five American PhD students are willing to discriminate against right leaning scholars. What

is there like a link? There is there? Yeah, I don't. I don't believe that. But that's just because there's absolutely no evidence of any sort of systemic discrimination of conservatives at any point in time. In a mirror, it's it's saying you're what you're saying is like people discriminate against me. No, we've got a um. Oftentimes you are saying things that

aren't true. Yeah, and like you hurt people, and people don't like you because they've been hurt by you, Like maybe you made it impossible for them to marry for for years and years and years, and so they're like kind of suck those people. That doesn't that's not discrimination. You you hurt someone and they don't like when I go drunk driving through the trailer park near my house and start firing my gun out of the window. The fact that people there in that park don't like me

isn't discrimination. Like if I go to their smoke shop and they won't sell me a lighter, like, that's not discrimination. Yeah, I'm creating problems for them and they have no desire to help me. Um, which is fine. Yeah, completely understand, that's not that's the deal that you've made. Yeah, this is the deal I made when I embraced the sweet sweet joys of trade. Well that too. Yeah. Um, I don't know. This is gonna be funny. Yeah, it's gonna

be It's gonna be a funny thing. Like I haven't seen him mentioned, but I know they're probably trying to get him for it. Yeah. I mean, he wanted to start a sucking church, so he's all in for this. Peterson Stephen Pikers on the part of advisers, of course, Um, Peterson would at least be some sort of guests. Yeah, they got to larrive something with Joe Rogan right, Like

he's he's there bigger. That's what they're in the release and stuff they're talking about, like Austin if it's good enough for Elon Musk and Joe Rogan, is good enough for us. And first of all, I love when a university is like something is good enough, good enough. I also at the University of Austin, one of the most famous schools the world. It's already the University of Texas. At Austin, you are taking almost the exact same name as again, one of the most prestigious colleges on the planet.

I mean surprised you even can legally. Yeah, Like it's a huge deal. U T A like a massive, massive school capacity it had, Like it's if it looks like it. I thought they were. I thought people were joking and literally just posting like a U T. Austin And yeah, yeah, yeah I did for a second and I saw it, like the U T. Austin has like one of the best business programs in the world. They famously rejected George W. Bush like he had to go to his safety school,

Yale because U T A wouldn't take him. Like it's a big deal of a college to try to ape the branding of it's just a very um the whole thing is very silly. It does read like Prigger You Part two. Um, they're not an a credit university. It does. It seems like like is this even gonna be in person school, Like it's it's gonna be a lot of zoom stuff. I think also wanted Preger University to be a an actual like a school. He wanted to do

a school. But he's like, well that's expensive videos exactly, like I can just do propaganda from the comfort of my my leather chair. Um. And so it just seems like it's gonna slowly turn into that. There's just exchange between one of the people involved and this actual history professor where she was like, oh god, Cicero thing, yeah, and like the claim and he's like the claim is like okay, well that's not actually how it happened. Um uh. The major part of the text was discovered like well

after Adams presidency and this sort of thing. And then her response is, let's zoom this for an audience. It would be funny, useful for displaying this kind of teaching method.

And he was straight up like, IM not sure I understand, but I think my answer is no, thank you, And she's like, well, I'm saying we have a disagreement rooted in fact and extending in the conclusions, Like this is not like you're saying that, Like it's kind of what we talked about earlier, where like you're saying that the debate needs to happen even though it's because you're wrong, like the claim is wrong, and so you want to debate on zoom so people can see how you're going

to talk your way out of it. I don't know, it's like weird. The whole approach to like education is very odd, and it's it's well, it's like who's going to argue you louder right? Is the right person will be whoever wins this argument, And like the idea, just the idea that like debates don't actually happen and in is odd to me too, Yeah, because I remember having a bunch of debates even in fucking Texas. Um, but maybe like maybe the temperature maybe maybe these days it's

a lot, you know, harder to do that. I don't know. Um, but because I dropped a college because it seemed like it seemed like a giant scammed. Uh, but like you know, it's not a scam. The University of Austin. Yeah, I mean, I think the University of Austin is a huge scam. Got a lot of friends with debt from it. But it is like a big old deal. Yeah all right, we'll see it's just like the money. The money behind this is very like you know, it's like Peter Teel

Ship Peter deal and that one guy Lawn Dale. Here's here's my call. Here's my call for something that's going to happen with this. If they actually go so far as to try to do zoom classes, um, they're going to have to come up with something to do in person so that they don't get accused of wanting to take COVID precautions. Like they're going to have to have a way that they cannot be masked. And I'll be together.

They don't have a space. People are gonna like, well, you're like, oh so you guys are like you're talking if they don't have a If they don't have a physical space yet, they could just use that. I might bully them over that just to try to get them to endanger themselves. Um. Probably also like it's just like the also like this weird thing. So you don't have a physical space, you're not accredited. You don't like, what

are the forbidden courses? Like, wait until you have that stuff figured out before you announce your little It does a little bit like like this, like the shitty kind of like you you you wind up having a conversation with a publisher and they're like, what are your ideas for a book? And you you just throw some crap out that You're like, I'm pretty sure I could figure out how to write that. Yeah, like that's what they're doing. I can make this happen. Yeah, I can ship this out.

Yeah I could work into it. But like I'm not. Yeah, it's not concrete, but it could be. It could be very well. Don't ask me for specifics right now, but I have them and I'll get specifics. Do not worry, and it's I don't know. You can tell so many of these guys are like failed entertainment industry people, because that's a perfectly valid thing to do. It's how a lot of people make a ton of money. But you've

got to be better at it than this. You gotta be a little better if you're if you're doing this in the entertainment industry, you can do this and make millions of dollars. But you've got to be a little bit more on the ball than this ship, you know, like you gotta put more time into the razzle dazzle. That was very Matthew McConaughey. More time and the razzle dazzle. All right, that's it for us this week. You can check us out online at Where's Your Pod' That's so Everything,

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