Anti-Woke Bills, Pro-Assassination CIA, and Neutral-Metaverse

I'm so sorry I was not recording. Oh well, we're keeping all of this. We're keeping everything we did so far. Katie, you went to a public school, Cody, you went to public school. I went to a public school. We all had like, like Catholic kids at the schools and also

Catholic schools that you like would compete with. And so every time now and then you'd meet like Catholic kids, and Catholic kids fucked as much as everybody else, but they had been There was this widespread belief, particularly among the Catholic girls that I knew in high school, that it didn't count if it was but sex, that like that wasn't you weren't you weren't having premarital sex if it was in the ask because you can't make a

baby that way. Funny, it's so funny to jump from um, just the most obvious thing to jump to butt sex like like that is it's funny because there's enough if you if you extend that logic, you could argue that, like, well, the Catholic Church shouldn't have any problem with gay sex because it's not sex because children can't be like under their definition of it. You know, I don't know, I've never understood it. But that was that was what can

we get the pop on? Yeah, I've been reaching out to the Pope, by which I mean I have been screaming at the Vatican during my weekly visits to Italy. Um. But but so far, no response. I mean I've gotten arrested a few times, but no, like practical response. It's a form of a response, yeah, from from someone. Um. So soaking is the Mormon equivalent of that, right, because because kids are always as horny as as kids always are.

But if your religion says you can't do this, you can't do that, you find ways to do this in that that don't violate your religion. So you can't like fuck before marriage if you're Mormon. But soaking is not fucking. That's just getting your dick inside of vagina and just kind of lay in there. Right, That's what soaking is. Yeah, that's what soaking is there and also that still counts as sex. Well, they're not from Mormons because they're not you're not humping and a currently, So I had heard

about soaking a long time ago. That's that's a thing I've heard from enough people who like did it that I know is real. Little certain about is um jump humps, which some people on Twitter have said is a real thing that I I can't I can't confirm from people I know well who are morening. How do you put your penis inside someone and just sit there? Uh, well, you have a friend like any little bit. You can't even like breathe because like the slightest movement, it requires

perfect balance, Katie, let me explain it. Because you have to be you have to have two things that are in perfect balance. You have to be very horny and you have to be very scared of God. And if your horny nous outweighs your fear of God, then you're gonna fuck and if your fear of God outweighs your horny nous, you're not gonna sunk at all. Yeah, yeah, then you soak. You got to keep the atoms from

from dancing. And maybe, allegedly the people are claiming on Twitter and out jump pumping has been added where you will have a friend jump on the bed because then it's kind of like like thrusting. It creates the friction. It creates friction, but they're not doing it someone else's. I can't confirm. I know for a fact that because of Mormons that I know well who were not like bullshitting, that's soaking is a thing. I mean, we call that a threesome. I'm pretty sure you call it are what

kind of threesomes? Do you have? No more monkeys jumping on the bed? I mean, in a way it's a threesome. It's recomplicate them. It just sucks and it's bad, like it's just making a threesome. Shitty. Yeah, we have unpacked this. I think we need to unpack one more thing. Because if you if the goal is to keep no friction in your sex and just sit there, just sit in it, right, Okay, I don't subscribe to it, but or the logic, but whatever, that's what's happening. In order to get it in, you're

creating friction. Yeah, so like you have to have a little bit of sex, or you have to be very careful about how you get it in. I just have to say, because I have to say it, that's sex. It's penetration, it's sex. I don't care how them. I think a variety of other things are sex too. Yeah, absolutely, that is. I think it's it's it's sex. If you just go down on someone or someone goes down on you, those are all sex acts. It's sex if you're just kind of like making out and groping and following each

other at the point of orgasm. Yeah, I think sex is a hearty wink. Wow, I have had a lot of sex with a lot of strangers. In that case, um, I should get my eyes tested. I just I'm just a winker. So it's not a blink. A blink is not to be confused that I mean not a that's not consent. That does kind of make me wonder about Mormon oral sex. Like can you face soak and then jump pump and that that counts more than five minutes? I did enjoy the friend in the post that sort

of knocked this off. The person who is doing the jump pumping for a friend use the phrase called to soak, which is a pun on call to serve, which is like a Mormon like thing. From what I understand, it's amazing and good for them. Well, I do feel like these people clearly have the moral upper hand from us,

last of us going to hell. It's very funny. It's always very funny when when churches get weird about sex, because the only thing it does is it is it creates a generation of kids who are even weirder about sex than they would have been if they'd just been allowed to like do whatever when they were kids. Yeah, it's it is funny, and that's that's what we should

take away from this. But also it is upsetting people. Yeah, I mean a person jumping on the bed so their friends can have friction, actually introduction into into non monogamy. Who knows what it really should? Move on to the news. I think I will say one thing, you think your kids are soaking, show them sex education. The TV show on Netflix, British show There's the third season just came out.

I'm it's awesome. It's a great show dealing about teen sexuality and having conversations and about culture and how we talk about sex, etcetera. And UM, that's my way of wrapping up this segment, giving you something useful. And I was gonna end it. No no, no, no no, it's better than what I was gonna say, which is stopped talking and everything disgusting. But yeah, let's talk about some news things. I don't know what news things. I love the news. UM,

I want to talk real quick. This is sort of inconsequential, but I think it's also indicative of the times. Um. Marco Rubio introduced this bill. Speaking by the way, speaking of Marco Rubio, inconsequential but indicative of the times is the perfect, the perfect description of that man. The top of his website, UM, his re election campaign is this bill. And it's about wokeness and corporations. And we knew this

was coming, and speaking of soaking, we knew this was coming. Um, And it's just the silliest thing I think one could imagine, while also again being very indicative at the times. It's called the Mind your Own Business Act, and I you know, we're calling it an anti woke bill. And we can. You know, it's dismissive language. It's this anti woke stuff.

It literally uses the word woke in the bill. Yeah, I can't think of anything more embarrassing than a senator writing a republic in writing a Mind your Own Business Act. Have I just have a question, have I'm sure there's been lots of ridiculous names of legislation, but this one's

pretty good. It's always been such, you know, like, yes, I'm sure it has anyway, Oh yeah, the Mind your Own Business Act ridiculous, just so ridiculous and um, aside from just the fact that a senator wrote a bill and was like, I'll use the word woke and put it in quotes, and that'll that's the law. That's a law that I think should exist. Is nonsense. Explain this law. Yeah, I'm just gonna read some quotes from Ruby's office and

Rubio himself because it's quite a doozy. Um. Specifically, the legislation would require corporate directors to prove their quote woke corporate actions were in the shareholder's best interest in order to avoid liability for breach of fiduciary duty and shareholder

litigation over corporate actions relating to certain social policies. It would also incentivize corporate management to stop abusing their positions to advance left wing social policies by increasing their personal liability to shareholders for breaches of fiduciary duty resulting from these questions. Yes, question, so very specific um about incentivizing corporate management to stop abusing their positions to advance left wing social policies. Now does this work in reverse? So

interesting question? Probably there So spoiler, There are no no co sponsors for this bill. It's bill, and it's because even even the other like all of the Republicans running these a lot of these companies don't want this bill because it would just be it would just be creating a big legal clusterfuck. And the fact of the matter is everything that he's calling like corporations doing woke things

against the interest of the shareholders. Those corporations are only doing because they see it as the best thing for their them any fucking action if they don't think it's profitable. None of them are doing it to be woke. They're all doing it because most people hate the kind of ship that Marco Rubio uh grand stands about. Because he's he's playing to a tiny audience of about three percent of Americans who give money to him and people like him. Um,

it's so yes, yes, exactly. Um, it's very laughable um and also insidious. Um. But like an example of the clusterfuck you're talking about, there's like language in there about um, like divisive concepts of like sex, stereotyping and things like that. And as I think it was Max kennerally I think pointed this out where so you can sue hungry man frozen dinners because that's a that's a stereotype. Yeah, about that's a stereotype. You can totally do that. But that's

not what Marco is talking about. He's talking about like, uh, companies saying like that's a bad law. It's so it's so ridiculous. I want to talking about a company putting up like a fucking trans Right's flag on their Twitter account or something like he's talking about. What he's talking about our gestures that like at most are like mildly pleasant to see and and and are generally completely ineffective.

Like again, are things that the companies don't believe, but rather they understand the way the country is going, and they're trying to keep making money. Yeah, they're not. They're not taking a stand for wokeness. It's Pride month, and all of their competitors put up flags, So they're doing the thing that everybody does during Pride months. Um. It's so it's so obvious. Um. This is one other quote

from him that I think is very funny from him. Specifically, patriotic Americans who love their country and the opportunity it provides should be able to fight back against the growing tyranny of the woke elites running corporate America. These are often nationalist corporations. I thought the corporation for people that a mass fortunes divorced from the fate of our great country while pushing socially destructive far left policies, lie Boycott's

and canceled crusades at home. I'm sorry who burned all the nikes? M hm oh, oh what what? I don't remember that, Therefore it didn't happen. It must not have happened. That who flushed their razors down the toilet? Um, it's so nonsensical, but also an important thing about it's obviously like you can use it, like I said, for like hungry man dinners or whatever the funk you want, because it's so vague. Um, it's vague on purpose. Uh. And

it's insidious. Uh. Much like when Ted Cruz tried to get Antifa labeled a terrorist organization, where he used like it was like Antifa but also like left wing activism and like protesters associated with Antifa's all sort of vague terms that could mean anything. Uh. Marco Rubio knows that the term woke can mean anything. It can mean against police brutality, it can mean environmentalism, it can mean anything

to anybody. Um. So it's just very obviously sort of like yeah, like whatever, it's it's a right wing term for I don't like this, yes, um. And it's so it's just so funny that he's trying to do this, and so like you said, like just he is the inconsequential but like most appropriate fucking figure now. Um. And I just thought it was important to bring this up because it's so silly, but also this is but also

this is what these people are trying to do. Um. And eventually somebody might get an actual co sponsor on their terrible bill um and push this forward. Um, and then it'll be a clusterfuck because you know anything can mean anything else. Um, but I just thought it was so funny. And uh, I can't believe he actually wrote the word woke twice. It's twice in the bills. Yeah,

it's amazing. I can, I absolutely can. These guys. His his basic seat is safe unless somebody primaries him from like the right is even like more out of their goddamn mind. Um. And he has no real national chance of things, like he knows that there's no way Marco Ruby is ever going to be president. He's tried, and he was bad at trying. So the only way for him to be relevant and to continue to make money

is to signpost. Is the virtue signal for the ship that like Republicans love, like hardcore republicans love, which is stupid culture war bullshit because they have nothing else, um and none of it, none of this ship. Yeah, no, there's nothing nonsense. And it's all they have. It's like it's like it's it's just like they it's all they have. Um. When they're on like you know, the news shows, they go and meet the press or whatever, and it's all like culture wars stuff and it's just like now so

now legislatively it's all cultural war stuff. Usually it's just like, Okay, we want to cut taxes and like do that kind

of ship. But now it's just like, yeah, we hate corporations now, but only because of the wokeness um and it would require like it's so it's just like a misunderstanding of the situation too, whether it's purposeful or not, because the bill is to put the burden of proof on corporations to show that they're far left actions are in the shareholder's best interests, and as we have discussed, they are because most people want that kind of ship,

whether or not they believe it. That's what the people want. Um yeah, And it's just so obvious, and yeah, they'll never there will never be any like I don't know, wreck heading here because the thing that the GOP cannot ever do is acknowledge that, like their policies are unpopular, if not hated, by more than sixty percent of the nation.

Um yeah, but they like the entirety of their actual like political relevance is based on denying that and claiming that anybody else who wins election who's not a fucking paleo conservative fascists everything whatever is uh yeah, it's it's everything about about their platform is about framing the other side as other and bad, and they are ever ever

running on something that is good that we need. There's cultural war, it is one hundred protecting interests and they're not even pretending otherwise because what do they stand for. It is it is impossible to actually improve anything with any of the measures they improving improving. Democrats aren't much better, No,

the Democrats aren't. The Democrats haven't like are are more or less incapable of improving anything, But at least their politics are based upon pretending that they will, whereas Republican politics are based on nothing but owning the lips. Like that's all they are now because that's where the money is. That's how you get the crowds, That's how you get coverage in the media. Like a lot of this is the media's falling. They will not when elections. We'll talk

about a little more with a build back better baby. Um, first we gotta take a quick at break and then we're going to build back better by talking about see I hate plans to assassinate Julian A sance together everything so don't don't and better from breaks and c I a did it. They decided to do something, and they find they finally did it correctly. They finally didn't fail

miserably after I mean finally didn't. Like I'm glad this information got out, and it's good that people are like up in arms about it, but it's also like, okay, so yeah, they were spitballing about ways to murder a guy and then they didn't do it. Like in the grand scheme of c I A. Fuccory, this is pretty low on the list. Actually you want to read some of this, sure, I mean, because it made me laugh. It would have been like wild as fuck if they'd

ever done it. Really yeah. In response, the CIA and the White House began preparing for a number of scenarios

to foil Assange's Russian departure plan. According to three former officials, those included potential gun battles within Kremlin operatives in the streets of London, crashing a car into a Russian diplomatic vehicle transporting Assange, and then grabbing him and shooting out the tires of a Russian plane carrying a Sange before it could take off to Moscow's British US officials asked their British counterpoint parts to do the shooting if gunfire

was required, and the British agreed. According to a senior Administration official, um, it's so funny, you know what this all sounds like, because again they didn't do this, and we don't actually know if they even took any serious actions to like pair for this. It sounds like some

fucking ci A goons watched the fifteen James Bond movie Specter. Uh, and then we're so amped up about it two years later that they were talking about you were gonna have to shoot out the fucking planes, tires, We're gonna grab him. It's like, aney, it's like a little just like like most of the this kind of ship didn't really happen all that off, especially not in places like London during the fucking height of the Cold War, Like there weren't

people weren't shooting planes in towntown London or whatever. Okay, so I'm just gonna read a little bit more. It is the vertical. It's unclear how serious the proposals to kill it. Of course it was. I was told they were just spitballing in staid of former senior counterintelligence official brief and the discussions about kinetic options. Regarding the Wikily founder, it was just Trump being Trump. So what this tells me is this is like the writer room for We're

on the clock. They're paid the bullshit. Yeah yeah, it's very indicative of like the silliness of the organization in general, and why a lot of the like why a lot of the things they do is like, wait, you try to do what it sounds like an episode of Veep

is what it sounds. Yeah, I've got, I've got, I've got some transcripts from the meeting, uh C, I agent one and then the guns go and then I'm gonna be like, um, it's just like and I'm like, it's another thematically, it's interesting because much like the stupid bill we just talked about, it's like indicative like that's actually

really fucked up that they were talking about. Like it's very don't don't get mystery of it is like not thinking it's fucked up, but it's it's like, I'm sorry to push back on action movies which now think we think it's possible, we think that's a good idea. We don't think about collateral damage anyway. Continue you look at the wave like look at the way the Russians actually

carried out like assassiny missions in London. They were using like really bizarre fucking uh poisons and ship that they were like shooting people like fucking like umbrella darts are poisoning their drinks or whatever, like that's how you do this ship if you're a state, like you know what the plan is, like like super and like part two, it's like, well want to yeah, no, And I'm sure I'm sure after like the bullshit session ended, the whatever serious people exist in the CIA were like, no, if

we're killing Julia Massange, we're going to fucking poison his drink by like the fact that we we own one of the people who works at the Ecuadorian embassy and like refills their water bottles or whatever. Like I'm sure they have that option if they if they had gotten the go ahead to kill him, they could have done it without machine gun battles with the Kremlin in London. And also I don't think the Kremlin would have agreed to get it, like they're gonna be like, are we

gonna get into a machine gun battle? Of course we're not. I would probably watch that movie, sure, absolutely, especially if Julian Assange is played by who should he be played by? It would be a good Juliana Yeah, yeah, yeah, Scars Guard yeah baby yeah, which I could see that or any of them. Yeah, who's the guy from there will be blood, the little Weasley kid, Paul Paul Dano, I can see doing some sort of type. I know he's

not blonde. Like I like the idea of Julian Assange being played by like a rotating cast of all the Scars Guards, Like every scene it's a different Scars Guard, but they're all playing Julian Assange, like the like, what's that imaginarium of Dr Parnassis? That's exactly right, exactly what what I want for this because the CIA got an

Age Ray. Yeah, I'd like the gilliam version of yeah, buck it, let's go all the way with this ship higher the same guys who are part of this bullshit session to be the scripture of the screenwriters it is. It is funny in our in our doc about this, Garrison pointed out how fucked up it is that one of the people within the agency who thought this plan

was ridiculous said, this isn't Pakistan or Egypt. We're talking about London, which is literally saying, well, you can get into a big gunfight in the middle of another nation's capital if they're like not white, but what we're gonna do this? We can't. We can't do it. There, come on, people, which is both very racist and also exactly true, Like you could have as soon as you heard people were talking about having like a fight over Assange in London.

No they're not. They're never going to do that. Russia is not going to do that. We're not going to do that because it's London. Yeah, that's racist and fucked up, but that's like the way the game works, and it is a game to these It's never stopped us before being ra Yeah yeah, um good ship, good ship, Um,

I mean bat ship. It's it's again. I do I do want to like underscore this by saying it's horrible that they're even having this meeting to assassinate, um journalists, stuff about how the CIA fucking spots on you with all the ship Like there was something about Greenwald two in the latest tranche of of leaks. Right, yeah, so this is back during the Obama White House. Um, but in two US and thirteen wiki leaks helped Edward Snowden get from Hong Kong to Russia after he you know,

did his big leak. Um. And at that point Obama officials wanted to designate wiki leaks and two journalists including like Grin Greenwald and Lauren Potress who did the story information brokers instead of journalists, which wouldn't make it easier to prosecute them. Um. Again, didn't get didn't get done. But like, yeah, there's like really this this Yeah, like the fact that we're laughing about this attempt. This Yahoo

story is really worth reading and it is very unsettling. Yeah, I think is also like there's a there's one quote in the article about like you know, it's they're just spit balling, you know, all these options. It was just trumping Trump. It's not trumping Trump. It's America being America, like everyone is. Yeah, I mean I I see that energy, just trumping Trump. But right, it's not that that's that's the legacy if that right? But was he in that room?

You know? Um so yeah, I just again just hilarious like ineptitude and bizarre like conversations from the CIA, while at the same time being like, well, you know they do this and it's not like Buiden's probably not having these exact same conversations, but uh, they're always going to be hostile towards uh figures like that. Yeah, and and it's not good. What should we talk about now? Um, I'm gonna talk about the metaverse? Can we talk about

the metaverse? Can we talk about this? This metaverse, metaverse, metavie, whatever you want about this. You've seen this. I can't do the voice the way our friend Tom Ryman can. Um, Yeah, what what do you? What do you what? What was your game plan there, Cody? I'm just gonna say, Lewinsky a bunch, maybe get a few, but a few goes

in there. Yeah, well all right, let's um okay. So there's a good article in the Washington Post in their launcher vertical, which I guess is video game news and analysis. Never seen it before today. When I say good article, useful article, I it's called Epic Games believes the Internet is broken. This is their blueprint to fix it. It's about more metaverse shit. Um. What I like about this is that this is from the perspective of basically everyone

else in the industry that isn't Facebook. Um. Not that there are any good like epic are the guys who make fucking oh god, what is that game that like

literally everyone but me in the world place Fortnite? Um, And so it talks about stuff like that weird Martin Luther King event they did, and like the article is not at all critical about it just talks about how many people attended and like how good it was, and so, like I I the tone of the article, I think, if you're like me, will be frustrating because there's not a lot of credibility about whether or not this is like a good idea or healthy, or whether or not

these people um have any desire but to like find better ways to monetize the Internet. But it is useful because this is how this is the best article I found on how the people who have a significant amount of power in techs in the in the specific tech section that deals with like how we consume the Internet, um, how they're thinking about the metaverse, which is kind of what they're all increasingly seeing as the Internet after social media, or at least after what kind of we know as

social media today. And I think it's useful to read not because I think this will happen, because I think one of the consistent things about the Internet is at when you're trying to figure out what the Internet is going to look like next, the people who are like most powerful and influential in in in the Internet are

never the people who figure that out. If you were if you were trying to ask that question in like two thousand four or five, um, you would not have guessed where we are now because like the fucking Facebook and Twitter and whatnot, these guys were all like upstart most of them hadn't been started yet, like the new social media companies like we're all like upstarts and the big companies that were throwing their money into places like

my Space and ship. Um. It's it's the nature of the Internet is um insurgent in a lot of ways, and it that always gets co opted, it becomes profitable, and then the insurgent like Google used to be insurgents and they become uh institutions and almost states in their own rights as Facebook. Did you know, Um not that Facebook was ever particularly cool, but it didn't used to

be the power you know. Um, So I'm not I'm not particularly I don't particularly think that just because these p bowl who are the ones in power right now want this metaverse concept to be what we get, is that it's what we'll get, but it's what they're going

to try for. And so I think it's interesting to read for that context and the The overwhelming impression I get from this article and from everything I read about this is that all of these fucking nerds read snow Crash when they were fourteen years old and never got never not just never got over it, because I have no issues with snow Crash, but didn't realize that it was like dystopian, like it's the same thing, like where like people appreciate like Ready Player one without kind of

acknowledging that like, well, it's a nightmare. The world deposits is like horrible. I think he even forgot at a certain point that like the world he he the fantasy world he drew up, and that the future is like a horrible night It's a nightmare. Also, like just to that point, that movie ends with the victory being that like the hero gets like a nicer apartment and everyone has to like log off for an hour a week. Yeah, it's still hell. You still live in this desert and

the environment is still destroying everyone. It's like you are not allowed to hide from that problem as much. Um, it's it's very dyea and snow Crash is a much better book. I'm not pleased. Do not take this as me Ship talking snow not neither of my praising it hugely,

because I wouldn't call one of my favorite books. But it's it was a book that was influential because it was it was exploring some interesting things, but it was exploring very critically, um, what cyberspace had started to become already then and like what the fucking nineties, um, and positing where it would go from there. Uh. And all of these nerds read it and we're like, oh cool, I could have a samurai sword and uh be a

be a fucking internet samurai hero. Guy. Um if I did that but also made a bunch of money by selling Ferrari access to drop their car is into the world, and like there's some there's some fucking on it. So the guy you know, this is epic. I just want to insure Jack and say that Sophie and I are texting each other saying we don't know what they're talking about. That's fine, but the metaverse real quick? Okay, no, no no, no, this is and and I'm googling metaverse. Yeah. Yeah, that's

not going to be productive right now. I need to be honest and and and the voice of at least some of our listeners. I'm sure, absolutely no, we have. We have not been responsible in just diving in because Cody, I truly was like, did I zone out and miss something critical? I don't think so, But then I spent too much time thinking that. Anyway, I continue, Cody and

I are if I can say this, shameful nerds. So yeah, Cody versus just like it's just like the Internet, but like you're in it right, Like it's like exact representation of like, oh, here's my avatar and I'm here and I look it's if you've seen that Community episode where the Dean gets the v are thing. Is this like glasses type sh No, that would be more like what like integrated reality, Like you log on and you're like

you're in there. Oh, this is a three D space and look there's like a big gargoyle but that's my friend Dan and like that's who he wants to represent himself as, and like you go and it's so would this be social media to it would be everything. So I would walk into Twitter in my room full of friends and I'd be like, hey, Dan, um kind of like yeah, and like Solvie is saying, like the Sims,

but your friends are there, um a little bit. Um. You'd have like access to all the things that we have access to, and you'd be able to check your like all the sort of things. But it is a three D space that I get, like like Robert sort of talking about, like yeah, you get like fer ariads in your face and like all this bullshit and like, oh yeah I did. I collected this many coins in the metaphorse, so now I can buy this um and

the guy so epic dude. So Fortnite is like started out as just like an O the shooter that was very popular, and so it's become it's kind of like I think they've kind of stolen some ideas from Minecraft and on its become like this bigger thing where you can do all sorts of weird media events and whatnot

in it. And everyone's been kind of debating how like the metaverse, because the original ideas of the metaverse was it was all one thing, right, there was no you know, like right now we have you have Apple's App Store, you have the Android App Store, you have these different websites, and they're all these walled gardens, right, you can't get like Facebook isn't allowing everyone to get in their ship because they want to own everything. Apple isn't allowing Facebook

to get in their ship. Everybody's got like their own little separate thing. The idea behind the metaverse was it was just like this world and you could you stumble into like you know this, It doesn't really matter what your hardware is or whatever. Like you you experience it all persistently. Um look an MMO or something, um and uh. The problem is that like you have all these walled gardens.

And so the Epic CEO, the guy who's who's you know, owns Fortnite once, doesn't like Facebook's ideas for the metaverse, wants it all to be integrated, and it is talking about like building a set of um standards for for the next stage of the Internet so that you know, Apple Like one of the things that Epic has done is they've sued Apple over the fact that Apple exerts total control over their app store, like they're arguing. Epic

is arguing that that's monopoly. Um, I'm not going to comment on whether or not I think that is because I don't understand that law very well. Um, and I don't think Epics motivation ensuing Apple is particularly like noble or like yeah, like I don't. I don't give a ship how that case goes. In other words, Um, but uh yeah, I want to I'm going to read a

quote from the Washington Post article on this. The simplest way to define the metaverse is that the metaverse is as an evolution of how users interact with brands, intellectual properties in each other on the Internet. The metaverse, I know, man, I know, I know, it's bad. It's bad. Just hold on, hold on. The metaverse to Sweeney, that's the CEO of EPIC would be expansive, digitized communal space where users can mingle freely with brands and one another in ways that

permits self expression and spark joy. It would be it's rough, it's rough, it's rough. I said, this was a frustrating article, but it's a useful. It would be a kind of online play I know, I know. Just let me get through this and then we'll talk about it. Would be

a kind of online playground. Where users could join friends to play a multiplayer game like Epics Fortnite one moment, watch a movie via Netflix the next, and then bring their friends to test drive a new car that's crafted exactly the same in the real world as it would be in this virtual one. It would not be, Sweeney said, the manicured, ad laden newsfeed presented by platforms like Facebook. The metaverse isn't going to be like that, Sweeney said. A car maker who wants to make a presence in

the metaverse isn't going to run ads. They're going to drop their car into the world in real time, and you'll be able to drive it around, and they're going to work with lots of content creators with different experiences to ensure their car is playable here and there, and that it's receiving the attention it deserves. Now, that's bullshit and dumb. I want to be really clear about that. It's this is important, not because any of this is a good idea or cool, but because this is what

they're trying to do. Like I'm not do not think that this is bullshit and dumb, and I think it's going to fail because I don't think people want that People want Fortnite. Clearly people like playing Fortnite. I don't think people want to like travel from Fortnite to watching Netflix digitally with friends and then driving around like a fake Ferrari Like that doesn't That does not seem good good technology. And I'm not saying good in a moral sense.

I'm saying good in the sense that it actually can can take a hold and be successful and and like propagate virally. Right, Steve Steve Jobs was kind of like the master of this. And it wasn't because he was a great coder inventor. Is because he he knew the

thing that he was brilliant at. And the reason why Apple has more money than a lot of countries right now is he understood intuitively what human beings wanted to hold in their hand and what they wanted to do with it, and he gave them that and it changed the world, mostly in bad ways. Again, I'm not trying to praise the man here, but he understood something profound, in deep about human beings and what they wanted, and

that's why the iPhone was such a success. This guy does not have that understanding, and I don't get that hint from this um, from this from anything I've read in this article that he understands what people would want from a metaverse. I still don't completely understand even the concept,

but let's just go with that. But what you're saying makes sense to me, because yeah, the things that take roots, that take hold are things that benefit my life in my day to day and that fuel the fact that you don't understand as I'm explaining this is proof that it's a bad idea. Because if we if we were to go back fifteen years before he went had smartphones, and I took an iPhone one and I put it in your hands and I said, Katie, type into that map app the place you want to go, you would

go like, holy sh it, this is fucking amazing. Like you would immediately get intuitive natural. That's why I like, yeah, like kids like babies understand it. Yeah, well, and and and and to that point, I'll also say, like, if someone was to sit down and describe the Internet to me in general, um, before it existed, I certainly would have understood. I barely understand now, you know. So there's that.

But but I think if I were down before the Internet and said, hey, this technology will allow every single person in the world to be in contact with every single other person persistently forever. You would say, holy shit, that sounds like a big deal, and you would be right. I'm not completely using this in my argument about it. I'm saying that, like there's a part of me that's like, I don't know. Things surprised me. I didn't think TikTok

would take off. But um, you know that people. But but but my what, especially this past year of being in our homes and being more isolated, I find resentment more and more personally with everything technology related. I crave my moments of not um. I need boundaries between myself and my internet. So anything that threatens that is like a no go for me. But also I don't to

your point, I don't think people in general want that. No. No. And the thing is, there's a difference between technology that can make money or be successful in technology that changes things, and that can that can alter the fundamental way in which we interact with reality. Smartphones fundamentally altered the way

we're interacted with reality. So did social media. They both Number one, were immediately intuitive, which is why you got a Facebook, Katie, That's why you got like a Twitter because you've got what these things were offering, right, something with a smartphone. The fact that you cannot there are of course, I'm and I'm sure you could build a metaverse like Sweeney's talking about that ten twenty million people would get on board with and like it would be profitable.

But it's not going to change the work's going to be adopted on a mass skill because most people you have to sit down and try to explain them why they might be interested in this and are going to be like what you are, like jumped to ten years from now, when all the kids hanging out in the metaverse are you know, ganging up on the year uh and booking out there you know whatever? Yeah, Donald Trump with a big Samurai sword Junior complaining about how his

algorithms are getting crushed. I think the kids want to listen to nerd out over K pop stars, um, and they want to do drugs while lighting dumpsters on fire. Minecraft And at the end of the day, kids are kids, right, And so such a good point, Cody, Such a good point. Just in time for this ad break, let's just soak in. Let's soak in the capitalism. Well, maybe we can get communism to do a jump hump while we're soaking in

capitalism and have a social democracy. I need to like work with more women together everything don't all right, we're back, we built back better, We've builded and that's that's our next subject. I'm sorry for making you all think about the fucking metaverse, but I I used to be. I got my start in tech journalism, which is a nonsense.

Yeah yeah, yeah that was like I was going to cs in the Mobile World Congress, right and about this was back in like the heyday of like this is back when everyone cared whenever Apple released a new product because it was going to be a big deal, you know, yeah, yeah, it was alive. Um, you learned something new about Robert Evans every day, built backway, build back better? Is that what we want to talk about now? Yeah? Yeah? Why do we care that things add to the national debt?

Do you want to explain that to me? Because people have tried and I never understood. I don't think so. Um, it only matters to whoever's not the party in power, right, Yeah, It's just that, no matter what people say about like what could happen? If I feel like for my entire life it's increased beyond what twenty years ago anyone thought was physically possible, and it's no one did anything. It's fine,

Like it's not fine. The world's fucked up, but it's not sucked up because the debt's high, right, I think, and Garrison pointed this out in the Dock as well. But god damn it. Everything comes down to how well yeah spin and how the media portrays it. So you look at the way this conversation is framed for this build back better, and they're talking about it costing three and a half trillion dollars, which does sound like a lot of dollars. It's true, it's a lot of dollars.

Talking about the fact that this is over a ten year period of time, so it's actually just one point two per cent of the U. S economy over the next ten years. So it's actually not when you put it in context. But people do not well some people, you know, people on the other side are leading with or omitting that because it doesn't benefit their argument against it.

And I don't know why the media, I don't know why more media coverage, I mean, I do it's clicks they want cosationalist I think people arguing and it's so much of public person I mean, all public perception is shaped by the media, and it's it's frustrating because, like, if you want to put this in some perspective, we've spent six to seven trillion dollars is kind of one of the middle estimates for how much we spent on

the war on Terror since two thousand and one. I've I've heard some that are more like nine or ten summer less, but like six to seven trillion pretty reasonable is like a whole price tag, So like three and a half trillion for ten years. It would we would be spending what we spent on the War on Terror that we clearly could afford to spend because we did. Except for we would be spending it like not murdering people, presume,

making people's lives better instead of ending there. And I'm sure, I'm sure as much of it would be bullshit as the War on Terror because the government's bad at everything, but it would at least not be bombing people. Presumably there'd be some steps in the right direction. Yeah, hopefully we at least get some fucking bridges fixed. That would be good, would be good, Yeah, um, some would be good. Less bridge collapses. I don't know, I just can't bring myself.

Like every time there's like some like like right now there's this, uh, there's this chicken game going on about like whether or not to raise the fucking debt ceiling again every time run out of money and like a couple if they don't, and it's every time, it's stupid. None of the money's real, and that the dumb thing about it is that nine times out of ten it's going to be nothing, but it is something that could

go horribly wrong, Like it's it's it's like that. I keep thinking back to him, fucking Otophane Bismarck talking about like in the days before World War One, the h

they're kept being these crises in the Balkans. The king would get assassinated or like something would you know, one state would like take a village from another, and like everyone would be on the brink of war because the Balkans were all tied up in the system of alliances and everybody knew that one day one of these things could go too far and all of these states could not pull back from the brink and you would have

a calamity, which eventually happened. Um and Bismarck. When everyone would talk about how the European War was going to happen, Bismarck would be like, Oh, it'll probably be some damn fool thing in the Balkans. And he was right. It was some damn foul thing in the Balkans, bis Maark nuody was talking about, and it's this is that kind

of thing. It'll probably be nothing until the day in which like everybody misjudge is just a little bit, and then it's a calamity um and then like the government shuts down, and because of a cascading series of other things that happened at the same time, we're not able to respond with it. Maybe there's a hack on power infrastructure.

There's a natural that some series of fucked up things happened during this like no government for a while because like we ran out of money bullshit, and like there's a horrible problem and you can't fix it and you can't pull back, and you can't just go into Congress the next day and say, you know what, nobody was serious about this bullshit. It'll be too late and a bunch of like the problem isn't that like the states prestige will be diminished. It's that a bunch of regular

people will die or be otherwise horribly, horribly affected. And um, it's frustrating. And everybody's complicit. Who's at least fucking politics? And I hate it and they should all. I don't want to say work at Denny's like working at Denny's as bad. I want to say work at Denny's because it would objectively mean they would be helping this iety more than they are affect their outlook on the worldly. Clear, I have a thousand times more respect for any given employees. Absolutely, no, no, No,

that's clear. That's a that's a point well made. Because they're so out of touch with the reality of of being in the workforce, of interacting with humanity, that they're so disconnected that their heads are just so far up their own asses that they don't see what's happening around them or they don't care. They don't care. Everybody in Congress is very out of touch with reality. They can't don't even know how to kiss their wives. It's only because I saw Josh Holly kiss his wife today. There's

a photos the weirdest thing I've ever seen. Um, it's like these personally closed lips, like their lips are like each of one of their lips is like like imploding, Like it's they're going inside their own mouths and then impressing them against each other. Kind of all the sexy

talk this episode, they keep getting they live. We've let our political class because of like everything becomes so disconnected from regular people that they're not like people in most of the ways that matter, by which I mean like your life would seem like an alien fantasy to them, and you can see them all like even when like people who are broadly speaking regular get in like Alexandriacasio Cortez,

they change over time. It can't not it like it's it's meant to to to disconnect and break you, um well, because you you're in this position of equivocating with everybody and like trying to compromise or like being torn and all this, and you're living in this weird universe where like all of the things they say makes sense and all of like the things that like the horrible things they say about each other in the news, like they're all very nice in person and their friends and like

this is the game that we're all playing, and we all make money off of it, and like you can say, Kristen Cinema's gotten sucked into it hardcore. She's like marching in black block at the fucking W T O and Seattle fifteen years ago, and now she's like meeting now she's bombing a fucking infrastructure bill in the interest of oil and gas companies, so the the very party, so that she can stay in the in the game with her with her new friends and and be in power. Um, I mean a lot of it. A lot of it

is pressure, a lot of it is the institution. It is done, and those people who try to stand up against it ultimately get sucked in because that's how they get more power. That there's just different ways. But it's not good. It's there should be more, much more term limits to everything that is wrong with us as a society. I think comes out there. I'm reading a book right now called cult Ish and as in like English right or Spanish, and it's talking about the language, the way

cults use language and that brainwashing isn't real. But what actually happens is when you were in a community that is like reinforcing in a number of social ways and also introduces you to a new kind of language base that kind of makes it impossible to identify with anything else.

And like that's how cults work, and that's how you know every degree of cult from like the low its like fucking cross fit or burning Man that that aren't really harmful, that are just like make use of some of those things because they're attractive to people to like hardcore cults, and like you, like the fucking Congress is

somewhere in the middle. It's a cult, though it is a cult, Like it's this weird fucking culti society that these congressmen and a handful of lobbyists are all in um and and the worst thing that can possibly happen when you are in it is that you get kicked out, So you'll do everything to stay in and generally that keeping the donations coming and whatever. It's fucking Sophie. Sophie just sent a picture, the picture of them kissing to the text thread and it is an early Those are

those are like two kids. Those are like preschool kids having their first kiss. But they don't want to have you talked about Josh Holly's come yet. Oh god damn it. Okay, I'm going to talk about something else here. Most of us live in areas with them, those those weird kind of like caterpillars that are all like spiny, and they're different colored, like they're kind of like they're like brown and red, and they sort of inch along the ground and if you touch them they sting like hell. Although

that's the come that comes out of jaw. It's like a bunch of those poisonous little caterpillars just sort of like pumping together a piece of merch that's kind of like those, um, those charts, those nature diagram charts. Yeah, that's different. You know what it should be, you know the political those political compass memes where it's like a square and you've got like authoritarian left Aubertary, libertarian left libertary.

It should be that and then marked up by politicians and their come types, because like you know, some spinier than others, some is dustier than others. Um yeah, some is just a literal pile of cobwebs. Some Can I just pitched that awful great idea that that's that's what's gonna give us enough money to detach from society. Can I talk about something else? Okay? Please? A little update? Uh? I A c still is not officially authorized a strike,

but that is percolating. But I wanted just to bring this up again in the context of Catherine Heigl Um real quick, and you guys might be surprised what I'm talking about. Well, do you remember how a while back Katherine Heigel talked vocally and publicly about unsafe working conditions on set and how you know they were working seventeen hour days and how it was really unreasonable. People can't get home to see their families, and their lives are disrupted.

People are driving home exhausted, etcetera. And everybody said she's a bit, she's hard to work with, she's unlikable. Um and her career I very much do I stay. I have a knee jerk reaction when I hear Katherine Heigel's name. I think diva. It's true and everybody, you guys know what I'm talking about this y and and she posted and I want to applaud her. She posted about this her support of IOTSY and then went on to say what happened to her She started having years of feeling

like was I too much? Was I unreasonable? What happened in her head? Self conscious and her career is completely changed. So I do remember her complaining about that and then not being in stuff anymore. Not she was written off the show Seth Rogan and Shonda Rhymes. Everybody threw her under the bus. Barbara Walters said nobody cares to her. I mean, like on an interview she says, nobody really cares because like, we don't sympathize with you, like, this

is all stuff that happened everybody. It was a public it was a joke. She was a joke. And um interesting considering the sausage party, the animators were treated incredibly poorly. They I wanted to bring this up partly because I think it's important, partly because I seem to be um championing this one argument a lot lately, which is we all have to revisit the ship that we used to

find acceptable as we're calling it out now. Not to say that like, oh, we all owe a massive apology, but we have, but yeah, we we should all like look at our own behavior and how it has been conditioned by the media. You know, the same with build back better, and how we receive this news. We're being fed a narrative, whether you know it or not. And it's really important for us to do this work of looking back and looking now. And and it hasn't even

been that long a period of time. We're talking like ten years. And I'm glad that people are finally noticing this and seeing and speaking up and being supportive of each other when they're talking about abuse, because that is abuse as well. Sorry, Okay, soapbox, but it's all connected to me, and that's where my mind's at these days. They're on that soapbox. Okay, I'm hopping back on. Are you prepared to apologize for what you've said about Josh

Holly's come? Yeah? What do you specifically have said and nobody else? Yeah? Because you know I'm never apologizing, right, I will. I am prepared to apologize suggesting we make a nature chart out of Josh Holly and other senators comes when I when I get elected to Congress, I'm doing a filibuster. I don't care on what, and I'm just going to laboriously describe the comes of every single

other elected leader. So wherever Robert Evans is honestly like the only person I can imagine getting elected to public office and not um falling into the machine. Oh, I'd be horrible. No, it would I would immediately get corrupted. Um, you'd be taking, would be I'd take everybody's, wouldn't write I want my I want, I want I want my bear cat. Look, bear cats don't buy themselves, Katie, I want one for each foot. I'm not gonna wear shoes anymore.

I'm gonna have a different under armored vehicle under each leg every day. A vehicle, right, It's not like it's a vehicle. But I'll have some pet bear cats to the animals and with them in Kristen Cinema as we as we uh do our weird little dances when we vote down. That is some fan art that I would love to see. You've got your marching orders, guys. I think that's it for us this week. Te us out online at Worst Year Pod. That's it, Oh my god,

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