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expressed in this interview do not necessarily reflect the views of the iaomt welcome to the word of mouth podcast the podcast of the iaomt i'm dr griffin cole i'm a past president and a master in the academy and i'm here with dr boyd haley professor emeritus at the university of kentucky chemistry department and uh one of the preeminent researchers on mercury chelation and detox so i'm so excited to have him here i've i've known boyd for about 20 years now and so this is going
to be a really good podcast you don't want to miss this welcome boyd thank you first thing i want to say off the bat thank you for being here and um you know you spent years doing so much research and as a dentist who has been a mercury free and safe dentist for my really my whole career for 26 years i started off getting teased and and you know laughed at and mocked and i know you've been through that yourself can you just share a little bit about how toxic mercury really is in
the human body well it seems the longer i work on it the more i find out how toxic it really is and and just recently i was given a an interview dr mccola interviewed me at the icin meeting and gave a lot of people the impression that i was a medical doctor evidently and so these people started sending me their urinary pore from mercury toxic metal profiles and you know because they think they're mercury toxic and i started looking at them and i realized people that are mercury
toxic have usually high levels of many other toxic metals and i think that the concept here is that mercury because of its vapor form and the fact that it can get into the brain and certain other tissues starts uh decreasing the body's ability to excrete other metals such as cadmium thallium thorium uranium because i've seen these people that we treat them with we have them get on an nbmi treatment and it chelates those metals and gets them out and they're all toxic
they all express their toxicity in a different thing so when we talk about mercury toxicity you have to say mercury inhibits i mean it'd be my opinion and it would make sense and i could explain biochemically how it would happen it would inhibit the body's immune ability to excrete many toxic metals so on that note you talked about the synergistic toxic effect of metals together like mercury and lead if you will aluminum and thimerosal touch on that a bit well this was a
work done by shubert back in 1974 i think and what he did is he was giving uh looking at the combined effects synergistic effects of mercury with other metals and the one that sticks out the most was if if you took a level of mercury an ld1 in other words it would kill one rat out of a hundred and if you mix that with an ld1 level of lead those two together you know you'd think well one
plus one b two and it didn't it killed all of them 100 so that's synergistic it means that the metals add to each other because and biochemically that seems hard to explain but it's not it's very simple i mean once you occupy almost all the sites to kill one yeah i mean you add just a little bit on top of it and you have really a major toxic effect yeah and you showed some blood chemistries
from patients where they actually had the dmsa provocation and they still had low mercury or not even detectable yet high levels of the gadolinium and lead and all that explain what has to happen after that urinary mercury analysis sent to me with a person with frederick's ataxia and they're from the south they're from a place that is widely known to be very mercury toxic i mean in the united states it would be high there's no way that this label ladies should have non-detectable
levels of mercury and she had none and she hadn't increased you saw the levels they were very high in cadmium lead catalinium was high catalinium was high i mean several things and so what it's saying why is the mercury not there well the mercury's not being excreted that's why i mean it's just a matter something has happened with her disease or with her exposures that have prevented her from
excreting mercury at all and there if you're going to try and treat that person with frederick's attacks here you're going to have to get something that can go inside the body inside the cells and bind the mercury and pick it out perfect segue for you okay because emiramide nbmi is what you've been working on for many years it was osr back in the day um this is the crux of everything that
you're doing right this is it because i was taught use dmsa use dmps edta those are great chelators and you describe today how they don't even get in far like like it like like is needed the mercury goes way down in the cell so describe what amerimide does and why it's so unique well maramite is and when i started making it because i knew all about the mps and dmsa i'd read the papers where people talk about kidneys their kidneys getting really sore if they took
dmps or dmsa and read the animal studies and what it says dmsa takes a mercury from your blood and puts it in your kidney and causes you to have kidney failure kidney toxicity problems and so uh as a chemist and that's what i've been in my whole life i'm a kind of a medicinal chemist type i make compounds to solve biochemical problems for affinity labeling was where i got started and so i
i decided you know we don't have a good key layer and and you you go to nih and you try to get money for making a new key later they don't they're not even interested not even slightly interested and so when i was research active and so i decided and i found a very wealthy guy doctor he won a doctor it was a h.b wallace he was a person that was fairly well off very bright but not he was a person that made a ton of money in making chicken eggs
and making layers but he was a very bright guy and he became very friendly to me when the nih eliminated my grants which i lost all my grants when i started saying mercury was involved in autism and alzheimer's disease i mean you would think i would said something really criminal in their minds you did you know but anyway he picked up my research and he funded me for quite some time and uh when i was first with the uh iaomt which i am very grateful
to be a member of because you guys have made my life my later life more healthy for certain and uh we're thrilled to have you well feelings mutual absolutely thrilled but anyway the bottom line is that i realized and i tell everybody this i had a phone call from my daughter who was getting her phd and writing her thesis at the university of utah and she was working on a toxicity problem with voles that could eat toxic plants and not die and what was the difference
between them and the voles that couldn't eat it i mean they you know they had a ability to excrete the toxin and it was all through the p450 system so i i got very interested in her research of course but she called me one time when she was writing her thesis and she had gone to a website and it was very critical of me i mean saying i want to kill children or stuff like that i mean it's just just impossible and of course she was she was kind of uh emotional about that
and and that's when i sat down that night and decided you know the problem is we can't out pr these guys you can't out pr the cdc the fda and the nih and the medical associations and the pharmaceutical companies you can't and so let's make something a little just cured and you don't have to argue about it you have to say if you get a an exposure to a toxic metal take this compound and we'll eliminate it and uh and i expect it to get a lot more support god i
hope so i subs i mean bottom line you're trying to help people that's all you're doing here this isn't about my i've known you again we had this talk about your daughter and everything just a few years ago when we were in slovenia together and and i saw your true heart and i saw that how sad it is that you've worked your whole life to help people this is what this is all about and you've essentially been sort of blacklisted by the major you know major governmental entities
that used to fund you and and and you're not alone there's been lots of them i'm not no i'm not alone and i'm not and i'm not looking for sympathy i know i know you're not but but but but you have mine and and and i just uh and and i find it sad and that's why we're doing things like this because everybody needs to hear what's going on now talk about why it's not only effective but safe to use safe to take well you know the compound when i started putting it together i
i had two things and this making this compound makes me look a lot smarter than i really am because what i was trying to do was just get something that would chelate mercury that we pass the cell membrane the biomembrane and i was working as chairman of chemistry and very active in the graduate program at the university of kentucky and it was a faculty member there david atwood who was making compounds and i hired him because he was interested in treating
environmental mercury an environmental iron etc and he was making a compound his students that were making compounds to try and bite bind heavy metals and they made this particular compound and it didn't work very well because it wasn't water soluble and so taking toxic metals out of water is a different problem than taking toxic metals out of a hydrophobic body and so i was very interested in that so i remembered that and so when i retired from being chairman stepped down
from being chairman i didn't retire i immediately went into the project of trying to find something that would cause the blood-brain barrier get into cells and bind mercury and eliminate the mercury because the current chelators weren't doing that and that's uh and i made a large number of compounds by the way and then we did a screening of them and nbmi came out on top and it's uh and the compound does more and every time and it's called follow your nose research
i knew i had a compound that would pass through biomembranes and would bind mercury and so then you have to find out is it toxic and you know and i kind of expected the compound to be somewhat toxic because it could bind zinc and iron etc and uh so we did her studies i mean i i don't waste time i find out if it's going to be eliminated i find out real quick and so we injected rats with
huge doses and kept going up and higher and higher and higher and it came down to it it was getting ridiculous i couldn't give a you know injection under the stomach skin so they know what got in it the rats that we were injecting within bmi never showed any sign of illness a little bit of irritation that the sign were injected but not very much of that at all either and as a matter of fact they looked better if they got you know reasonable amount they looked better
than the rats that were control rats they were just getting the injections without the nvmi in it and uh so uh we couldn't kill i mean to make a long story short you know by injecting it subcutaneously under the flap of the stomach we could not even remarkably even remotely give them enough nbmi to make them sick and so i thought well i got something that's not toxic yeah and and it binds mercury so now let's see what happens and we did this study it's published in uh
toxicology and environmental thing and what we did is we we took rats and we injected them and subcutaneously in the stomach with one and then doubled it and then went up 14 times the lethal dose of mercury and waited 20 minutes for the mercury to dispense or get out through the body and then on the other side of the stomach we inject it in in bmi one time a single dose at excess level enough to bind all the mercury that we put in anyway uh by over ten fold and if
we injected a lethal dose they were all dead in six days if we gave them nbmi they didn't even look sick they never died i mean we had to we had to sacrifice them ourselves to get rid of them because we can only handle handle some migrants so we doubled the dose and they all died within three days doubled the dose of mercury and then when we gave them the nbmi none of them died there's the same thing all over so my personality is well let's take a big jump and find out where
we can kill more so we gave him 14 times a lethal dose and i'm telling you that when you pulled the needle out the rats were gaping i mean they were they were going into convulsions it didn't take long for that mercury to have a major effect on their neurological system and but we waited 20 minutes and they were all of them were still alive at 20 minutes but none of them could walk so on that note talk a bit about the oxidative stress and the free radical damage that occurs
especially with mercury present well mercury mercury cannot create by itself hydroxyl free radicals it's not an electron donor it's not a redox metal as we call it iron and copper are so when you induce oxidative stress with a dose of mercury which you do i mean mercury if you're mercury toxic you're under oxidative stress and it's because the mercury gets into different locations in the body and this would be everywhere mercury goes everywhere and when
it goes there it's going to get oxidized from hg0 the mercury vapor goes to everyone and then when it gets to hg2 plus what does it do it goes and it finds a sulfur to react with and most of the sulfurs or sites are where you buy iron like in the electron transport system and everything so it knocks the mercury the iron off and the fe2 increases in your brain for example and it causes oxidative stress and that's what damages the tissue and causes the neurological
diseases so let's so perfect segway now from that uh describe the connection with alzheimer's and mercury well you know the this again was something i ran into inadvertently i had a graduate student sabia ha-tun who did some of the early work with me on uh mercury and photo labeling uh uh in in my laboratory and she went to work with the uh she graduated got a postdoc at the aging center at the university of kentucky uh ran by dr bill marksbury at that time and john slevin
and she was doing a postdoc in that and she came back in the laboratory because we were all of us are very friendly we'd always around at the end of the day and talk about what research was being accomplished and she told me people didn't know what caused alzheimer's and at that time i knew what alzheimer's was i knew it was a dementia that was the extent of my knowledge about alzheimer's disease and my technology that i was using in the cancer center was to look at
normal tissue like normal breast tissue versus cancerous breast tissue to see what nucleotide binding proteins and phosphorylation had changed what was the biochemistry of the trans uh transformation and that's what we're working and i said well you know just in the conversation why don't we just look at the ad brain and see if we can see any changes and it wasn't like it was hard at all it's the simplest research i've ever done to be honest with you because
alzheimer's brain is a biochemical train wreck and that biochemical train wreck is exactly like what would be a mercury toxic brain and so we found that we showed that the tubulin in alzheimer's disease is over 80 percent disrupted cannot be bound or cannot interact with gtp which was their uh the normal thing they bind to and then i looked at creatine kinase which is an enzyme that i had done a lot of studies on yeah you know structural studies i call it ivory tower type research
doesn't mean anything except you learn some knowledge but creatine kinase is a brain enzyme that's 98 inhibited in alzheimer's disease we determined that we measured that we showed that and it was also uh all i mean if you if you had mercury to a controlled brain homogeneous you wipe out creatine kinase first because it's a very reactive enzyme to mercury and so that got me the idea that we should do a study uh on the effect of toxic metals
on the brain and so we've tested all of them and aluminum doesn't develop an ad brain okay neither does lead anybody thought it was aluminum first yeah okay but the bottom line mercury is a perfect example and following my research and i'm not saying i'm taking credit for what they've done other people in three different countries none of them in the united states you won't get funding to do this kind of research in the united states not from our nih with the
ada uh dental institute research at the nih uh we we showed that you could generate nerve fair blurry tangles which is a diagnostic hallmark with low levels of mercury 10 to the minus 10th molar yeah that's lower scheider's right and uh and he and i did some work uh showing that if you uh gave uh expose rats to mercury vapor and let them breathe it then when the mercury reached a certain level all of a sudden the tubulin wouldn't fold label anymore which is exactly uh a.d like
and so then we started stretching it to make a long story short all five of the major biochemical abnormalities that you can easily and are accepted by even general researchers in alzheimer's disease biochemistry can be mimicked by adding mercury to a normal brain or normal test system so so for our listeners maybe that that are probably saying okay gosh boy you know all these these terms are it's over our head in in the simplest terms that you can
describe that video that lord shutter did with the snail neuron and well he was thinking we were showing that tubulin uh that it directs the growth of neurons was totally uh destroyed in alzheimer's disease i mean 80-90 and also mostly destroyed if you had a small amount of mercury to the brain so dr lorschar people at calgary university of calgary in canada had stale neurons that they could look at and so they decided to test my hypothesis by adding the mercury
to the snails and you could take a picture of them snail neurons are bigger than human neurons and when they did that when they added 10 to -10 molar mercury to the snails you could just see the growth cones start tracing and then shrink and break down nothing destroying the nerve the the connection and the the brain and the synapses yeah and that's what happens with alzheimer's you don't
have any synapses i mean they're greatly destroyed so so when that video came out because i remember that because i got a copy of that and i was so excited i thought well this is it right i mean we were always talking about aluminum and this this seemed to me the most definitive at least caught possible causation of alzheimer's that i'd ever seen so what happened i mean did we not well you know i i mean it's a point of irritation especially when i look at advertisements
by the alzheimer's association saying walk together cure alzheimer's disease i went to a group they were having a conference in lexington so i went to some people in the alzheimer's association that were collecting money you know getting raising money and i told them about our research and they said well they would take it up and uh to their higher levels and they would perhaps fund a study to look at that because they were very interested in the fact what causes
a person to cross that thin red line because at that time i didn't say mercury caused alzheimer's i said it would make anybody that's going to get alzheimer's disease get it quicker right and so we did that but when they got to the higher levels they just shut me off and understand that and i mean don't even look at the the fact that mercury from dental amalgams might be a contributing factor and i want to tell you it's not only a contributive factor i mean i have
changed my attitude since that time i think it's a major cause first case of alzheimer's disease was defined in 1903 we started putting in in the united states and we started putting amalgams in people's mouths in 1850s and you can't miss an alzheimer's disease brain if you do if you've ever seen one it's totally different than the human brain and the other brains you know you look at them from other types of dementia schizophrenia you can't see a difference by just looking at
alzheimer's brains look like somebody's taking a blowtorch to the brain almost i mean they're dramatically different and so they can't say well people didn't look at them and people been pulling brains out of people on autopsy since about 1600 on a regular basis so no there's there's no doubt when i got my review of my one grant back the first time nih ever turned me down they said doctor and they was talking about the mercury toxins they said dr haley has to realize we don't
want to see any more of these kind of studies and that wasn't a scientific evaluation the scientific evaluation the study section evaluation of my grant was very good always has been this was an administrative movement and that's when i lost all my nih funding i mean that i had for 25 years about so where are we now i know you've been through a couple levels of fda clearance right where are we exactly in the process when can we get it well you know the
main thing to remember is that we sold it for two years as a dietary antioxidant the rationale for that is because if you read the fda rules at that time and i hired the top retired lawyer from the fda to help me with this so i know i did it right it says you know you know it is a natural product or any combination of two natural products that you know for delivery etc and that's what nbmi
is it's benzoate sodium benzoate it's in all the soft drinks you take it's a food preservative it's found in cranberries and certain berries and attached to that systeming which is cysteine an amino acid with a carboxylic acid group and it's also found on the terminal end of coenzyme a so i know i have i'm combining two very safe chemicals that are neutral i mean found i mean like if you cook a steak you make more apparent chemicals than we ever do
and so uh we and actually uh this uh i don't i don't have permission to quote this uh lawyer but he's the one who gave me the idea because i was talking to him and we were doing their studies rat studies to get this approved as a chelator of mercury and we had done that and we had shown that it was totally safe you couldn't kill rats with it give them a thousand milligrams per kilogram body weight per day for 28 days and none of them died none of them got sick
there could be some subtle differences in their metabolism or something but nothing that would indicate they wouldn't be safe because if you're giving them a thousand milligrams per kilogram and say you're 75 kilogram person you would take 300 milligrams so divide 75 into 300 and you see how many milligrams a day you would take to chelate you it's it's just the market i mean so comparing four to five versus uh a hundred or a thousand is not a it's not a good comparison and so the
compound was incredibly safe and then we i i sent it to my daughter who's a phd and she had a job running a laboratory in salt lake city at a university and she tested it for oxidative stress and she came back she's dead this thing is a it's just it's so good i'm afraid you won't believe me and so i sent it off to uh brunswick laboratories which does it for everybody and they came back and they said this compound is 200 to 300 000 uh is the old rack score where something like
chocolate which is a good antioxidant it's like 13 000. so this is a super antioxidant plus it gets inside your cells right and that's where the hydroxy radicals are you know to take them out of your blood means nothing very little that doesn't mean nothing but it means very little bit but anyway it's uh it's oxidative and when we we did a food safety study on five older people and uh five autistic children or children with neural developmental disorders and uh and measured their
blood glutathione levels and every time and they gave we gave him 500 milligrams a day as a nutritional right this was when it was osr and every time we measured it their glutathione levels rose dramatically and the guy that had alzheimer's disease there was one of the guys he had a high homocysteine levels and his homocysteine levels were brought to normal within bmi so how did he what did you notice about his changes i mean did he actually recover i
i never i never interviewed him never talk but the people in the office said he was a cantankerous disagreeable old man he was the father one of the medical doctors that did the study and they said he turned into just a charming happy guy so i but i wasn't there and that that's you know that's not scientific so i don't like talking but okay so so so why didn't you keep it as a dietary supplement were you worried that it wouldn't get to the people that really needed it
no no it wasn't that at all the fda shut me down and the real problem was on blog sites mothers there was never a single adverse effect reported to the fda and they have a website that everybody goes to or to our website we kept a website and a a an adverse events reporting system which you're supposed to do we did it all by the legally we never got an adverse effect i mean we got the adverse effects we had this there was not as many capsules in our box as you said there was
or my son's peeing more than he usually does is this an adverse effect but there wasn't a single adverse effect reported to the fda or us but on the blog sites the mothers were uh saying that the nbmi at that time osr was the best thing treatment the only treatment they had that caused any positive effect in their children and basically the main thing they uh bragged about was that it stopped them from having uh bloody i mean diarrhea
and uh uncontrollable bowel movements and they they really appreciated that and that's the one that i mean then go out and ask a ton them but autumn said it stops uh the intestinal dysbiosis is associated with autism quite a bit and since then we did the research with dr paranati who's an expert on the intestinal membranes and arterial membranes and nbmi stops the leaky then the development of leaky gut and leaky artery arteries uh caused by mercury and mercury products
including them aerosol and so it all makes sense now maybe even the all the damage caused by the glyphosate as well maybe because that destroys the gut junctions and and that that just tears the gut up so maybe that too boy that'd be a whole nother thing here yeah well the thing is bleomins and we one of the studies we did with dr paranati at ohio state university which were landmark in my opinion
and he but he couldn't get funded from nih either and i don't know why because he was showing he had something that would stop the initial uh formation of leaky arteries and leaky guts that leads to uh you know leaky gut syndrome and atherosclerotic plaques he um and i i can't explain that but he was doing this with mercury methyl mercury and tamarisol they all are toxic to biomembranes and then he also they have a drug called bleomyosin
it will start out as a drug but now it's a toxic material and gliomonicin is used to induce copd right in animal models and that's because it causes membranes to be leaky if you put it in it causes arterial membranes and intestinal membranes to become leaky at all but gliomonicin isn't something you can chelate with a heavy metal chelator and so now we're talking about the oxidative stress suppression
but gliomyosin to induce oxidative stress has to displace iron and that's probably what it does so when we used nbmi and treated them with leah monson it totally inhibited blind myosin toxicity and that's not by chelating the bleomycin it's by chelating the iron that's being released by being gliamonocene right at least that's the most straightforward way of suggesting that so just to follow up again on that um when will it be available well you know we talked to uh
we've got some good advice i mean i don't i mean i'm not very political and i'm not very uh business oriented uh but i talked to people and one of the guys who was very a good lawyer in this area told me dr haley fda is not going to approve via this because i could take your case and we would win it but it would cost you a million dollars and then they would charge you with something else so don't do it just go take it and run it through the fda
drug approval thing because the fda has kind of a mantra they don't advertise it but if something cures a disease yeah it can't be a food supplement it has to be a drug and you have to take it through so if you're going to say this cures a disease which the reason they shut me down is that the mothers were saying this was curing a you got dysbiosis you're curing a medical problem and therefore the fda wanted me to do uh go through their program and uh are we close yeah we're close
we've we've passed we've done all the animal studies we've done so many we've we've spent probably 10 million dollars on animal studies showing that the compound is not toxic and that it protects against mercury toxicity because that's what we're going after the real problem with this compound is you see that there are people who take this who have other illnesses like gadolinium toxicity and it helps with that and so you got to keep that under cover because anytime
you make a different claim you have to go through another fda right i think i mean another 10 years yeah and i've gone so we've been doing this since 2010 and right now the the last meeting we had with the fda which i would tell you went very well we had an intelligent discussion and they recommended that we do uh three lines of study okay uh on animals which we've already done but not exactly to their liking okay uh i think ours were much more i mean giving a rat 14
times a lethal dose and saving them that's that's that's that tells you you've got efficacy right well they they don't think our efficacy is good enough so they want us to show uh what happens to the nba you understand that's the toughest thing to do right you take a drug and that drug binds all the mercury very quickly and i would tell you my opinion is nbmi will bind all the free mercury in your body within about four hours of ingestion
but it doesn't repair the damage that's done sure that takes i mean all the leaky membranes and that takes your body some time to repair all that and so uh and we've shown that in a publication we had that you know even though the rats didn't die they still had huge amounts of mercury in their body bound to nbmi nbmi does not work like a normal the past chelaters which bind a metal and take it out
through the urine and you get rid of it nbmi binds the metal and in the cell inside the cell okay not in the blood but inside the cell and it makes it non-toxic renders it non-chemically reactive and it does that it does that in the test tube also okay so that's rational that's reasonable that you would get that but they want us to show that it does that how do you show that i mean i guess if you show there's no there's no excretion of it i mean how do you well it
does it just it excretes very slowly in the fecal but it's not toxic when it goes out but so we're we're we've come up with a plan and our plan is to uh slowly intoxicate rats with low levels of mercury for a week okay and we've we've got we're past that point now we've we know how to do that without killing them okay and then at the end of that week sacrifice some of them look at their kidneys and show that they're toxic that's easy to do also we've
done that we just did it with massive doses right away within an hour or two yeah and so we're now going to take those kidneys and do uh histology slides okay and we're going to stain them for mercury and the ones that are mercury toxic and we're going to show that the mercury at least i hope so i mean this hasn't been done yet we're going to show that the ones that have nvmi bound you can't detect the mercury because the mercury is covered with a uh a cover now okay
there may be some flaw on that because i'm not a person that's ever done this before right but we have that intact we'll have that in process right now and if we can show i mean if we luck out and the binding of nbmi prevents it from being stained by colloidal silver yeah i mean if it can't bind to sulfur yeah and inhibit enzymes yeah it's probably not going to bind to the clos it's going
to the electron shells are covered with the nbmi unless they do something in the staining process that knocks the nbmi off they're not going to see that that mercury there and it's going to cause it to be in different locations too because mercury has a tendency to tie up in high sulfur sites and if you get in bmi it'll be moving around different places so we'll see what happens but i i think we have a clear pathway to getting it to write we're writing an ind this december
it's in process right now okay and we hope to do an nda application uh this early this spring okay and you just have to go through that and it's a it's been a long route but we're we've been successful and it's not look i'm not that i'm not that smart if you are that smart chemically i know a lot but i mean about about doing work with animals in the clinical studies it boggles my mind what they do and i mean why they do it the way they do it but so i'm not i'm
not trying to but this compound is just almost foolproof it's totally without toxicity and it binds not only mercury but about every toxic metal and things like arsenic it binds them very tightly because they like sulfur and this compound has two sulfurs that can adjust for the coordination chemistry of whatever metal wants to bind uh sulfur on their coordination sites it's a it's a it's a phenomenal drug and not because i'm so bright in making it it just worked out that way
however it worked out i'm i'm thrilled to be a part of this it's called follow your nose research there you go there you go it makes me look a lot smarter than you are smart and listen you're changing the lives and well-being of millions of people and it's just that's what this is all about in this toxic world we need you well you know and when we treated the people in ecuador the ecuadorian gold mine workers yeah they were very high in mercury we dropped the urinary
mercury levels dramatically some of those people were 400 micrograms of mercury per liter of urine and we dropped them down to very low levels and we did it in 10 of 11 people the one that went up in was a person that wasn't very high to start with and it went up eight tenths of a microgram i mean nothing you know noise level yeah and so we showed that you know it's tying up the mercury and not letting it go out through the kidney which is exactly what it did in the test animals
but when it doesn't go out in a year and it goes out in the fecal okay and it stopped the toxicity and if you looked at the david kennedy give him credit because dave has been a big help to me david uh said well let's look look at the the the adverse events in the placebo group because we're not inducing any adverse effects they're just a normal crew population and the people that took the highest level of nbmi had about one quarter the adverse events you know headaches
sleepiness diarrhea as those that were on placebo taking nothing so we dropped we we helped these guys that we treated with the 300 dramatically yeah and i think it's something like six out of seven or a number like that that had workplace trimmers lost their workplace tremors there's no doubt about the the uh energy levels the energy levels uh uh we had different things they called uh i'm trying to think of the exact way of stating it
at any rate the energy levels mental and physical fatigue levels improved and statistically significant the people the thing they noticed the most that took the thing was that their mental and physical fatigue levels dropped dramatically and so this is what you would expect you open up the mitochondria they make atp you know they can think better and they can work better yeah and so uh but you know it does what amazes me
and there are certain few things that really amaze me but it amazes me how the organizations that claim to be there out to raise money or to serve the american or europe the population anywhere uh to create a healthier population that's happier and going they really don't ever look at this stuff and if you say it they just ignore you yeah i mean i i the one thing i've always found and this is kind of a sad thing to say if you go to a group uh an organization that says give me
money because we're looking at this toxicity or this uh disease the first thing when you talk to them is they stick their hand out give us money and we'll see if we can help you yeah they don't say well what can we do to help you get this ready so we can treat our patients okay it's always an honor to talk to you so thank you for being here really well thank you very much and if you want more information on our podcast you can go to wordofmouth.iaomt.org
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