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of Make It Plain. You know, I enjoy these monthly conversations with Mark because we get to dive in to the there there right, to the nitty gritty, to the real talk that you don't get on cable news, the nuance and the complexities and the layers of situations around race and politics, and the fight for our freedom and our rights, the ways in which we are being manipulated as a people to keep quiet, to keep comfortable, and

to not be activated into action. And the conversation that Mark and I have today is a robust one, and I'm so grateful for it because, you know, we talk about one the alarm that The New York Times set off with their article with regard to pronouncing to the world that talks of a civil war on far right social media platforms is up three thousand percent. Yes, you

heard me right, three thousand percent. Now, I want you to understand that during the twenty twenty racial uprisings across this country, in the midst of a pandemic, we watched a man take his last breath at the hand of a white police officer that couldn't even be bothered to take his fucking hands out of his pocket as he was suffocating a man to death with a lie audience.

The FBI, the CIA law enforcement arrested were following investigating members of Black Lives Matter, members of other advocacy, social justice and civil rights organizations, picking up protesters on the street that were exercising their right to assemble and their

right to fight for justice as citizens of a fucking democracy. However, when there was chatter in broad fucking daylight, out in the open about the insurrection and what was being planned and where the feelings were, oh that was let go. Oh somehow it'd slipped through the cracks, somehow, they just

didn't have their finger on that pulse, did they. So now here comes to New York Times, damn near two years after the insurrection, the dress rehearsal to what they really fucking want, which is a civil war, telling us once again, hey, hey, hey, anybody home paying attention to the fact that these motherfuckers are organizing an arsenal and organizing themselves once again and broad daylight. And ain't nobody getting arrested, nobody being investigated or picked up, these terrorist

cells being broken up. No. So I'm wondering, as Mark and I delve into this conversation, how our lack of self reflection as a nation has played a part in where we find ourselves at this present moment. So coming up next my wonderful deep dive conversation with my good friend the Reverend Mark Thompson, host of Naked Play. Hey, I'm David, Plots of Slaves Political Gabfest. As another election season accelerates, it can be tricky to sort through all

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episodes every Thursday. Folks. You know that anytime that the month comes around, I'm always excited about getting into conversation with my good, good friend, the Reverend Mark Thompson, host of Make It Plain every month. Mark, I look forward to our conversations because I think that we get into the real reel, the things that aren't being really delved

into and addressed in mainstream media and news. And one of the things that has been on my mind, Mark and I have been I'm not gonna mens words, I've been scared as hell, and things that are keeping me up at night is the fact that, you know, the New York Times had reported that calls for a civil war, civil war on these far right websites, chat rooms, social platforms, across social platforms is up three thousand percent, not three percent,

not three hundred percent, three thousand percent. I had a follower of mine. She lives out east on Long Island, where I grew up. She said, Danielle, I've been noticing as I'm driving by seeing these flags on people's lawns with these stars in a circle. She's like, I kept seeing it and so I had to Google it to figure out what it was. She goes, you know what it is, She said, It's a sign of the civil war. I'm seeing that out east on Long Island, people putting

them putting it in their front yard. So Mark, I wanted to get your initial thoughts on what is now percolating up in the mainstream. But again, I don't think it's still receiving the alarm, this sense of urgency that it should be well. Always good to be with you as well, Danielle, and I also look forward to our

wonderful and our lively discussions. First of all, I agree it's not getting the attention it deserves because in this country people still think fat meat ain't greasy, and even though we saw what happened January six people are still like, you know, they can't believe it. And it really goes back now, we go back before Trump. It goes back to the Bush doctrine of shock and awe, and when you have shock and awe, people just they aren't prepared for it. I don't know yet what it's gonna take now.

I think obviously more people get it because of January sixth, but that is really a very surface kind of a thing. Those of us who are involved in politics full time, particularly involved in civil rights, we saw January sixth for what it was and what what was it? It really started out as sort of a rebellion or civil war cosplay, and then folks got swept up in it. Don't take but a handful of the mob to take it to

the next level, and that's what they did. Okay, So I think people do need to take this more seriously. But there's a problem with American history and culture, like we don't want to teach we don't want people to learn black history anymore. We're using CRT to wipe out

conscious curriculum throughout the country. What America has been teaching for years is decades is a sanitized version of the Confederacy that has been part of the struggle along in my early days in radio, when I was even still on AM radio, that was a constant debate I was having about what there was and Clarence Thomas was involved in a one time. Was a civil war really about slavery? You still don't want to deal with that question? It was, Oh no, it wasn't. It was just that was it

was about the economy. What the economy was slavery? Okay, So that's it. And because we have not really dealt with that, and let's be frank that now this history is tried and true. There was not all this romanticism of the Confederacy immediately after Confederacy. It wasn't until the segregationist movement really picked up in the forties and late forties, mid to late forties leading into the fifties that the strong thermons of the world began to say, wait, way,

we can work this, we can market this. That's just like the Second Amendment. Prior to the sixties. In the history of law review articles going back to the eighteen hundreds, there was never a single law review article in the history of this country that said the Second Amendment was about individual rights, keeping bare arms, so they're able to

manipulate things. So then they start away, We're gonna pay some people in the sixties in law schools to manufacture law review articles to change this same thing with the Civil War and Confederacy. We're gonna sanitaze, We're gonna start building the statues. We're gonna sanitaze this, and we're gonna use this to say we want our South back. We're going to use this to prevent desegregation in the South. So this is the importance of history. This is why

not teaching history, not understanding history. So I'm one of the last thing announced stop. I want anybody under the sound of our voices who's listening to this show, just send us a message. Whatever. Name another country in the world that has had civil war and they still celebrating, they romanticize it. It's I think, if I'm not mistaken, it's against the dog We got first of them here in Germany. It's against law to run around here and act like a Nazi and reminisce that they will lock

you up. The queen just that. Did you see anybody from a British Civil war history out then costume or trying to talk about doing something or the gunpowder plot into those things. No, because people live in the reality of today. Most people don't go back to that. If you want to do something new, do something new, be original at least, But who goes back to recreate their own countries civil wars. So you have that cosplay plus the illness that exists in this country that was exacerbated

obviously about the drum presidency. You know what, I what I think right, and you touch on so many things, which is the sickness of this country really is our denial of our history and the true history of it. That's really where the sickness comes from. We always want to refer to slavery as the original sin. Well, I don't know, to your point, who goes around then cost play and sin right in a way that you see the white lover is still of the Confederacy and of

white supremacy doing on a regular basis. I mean, you know, not only do we celebrate we're still in the twenty first century taking down statues that were erected to treason

because that's what it was. And that's the thing that I don't you don't need to be a student of history to understand that you had a divide in this country of people who wanted to overthrow right legitimate government in order to continue the practice of enslaving other human beings because they couldn't figure out or understand how to

advance an economy without free, enslaved, tortured, brutalized labor. Right, So when you decide then that that is not an actual stain, because if it was truly seen as America's original sin, that we wouldn't celebrate it in the way that we do, right, that it would be frowned upon, and it would be taught in such a way that, to your point, Germany reconciled with its own learnings around how the hell you were in a country that was

that exterminated, that killed, that brutalized, that snuffed out six million human beings? How did you all get on board with that? Right? So I think that we see now, Mark this to return to book banning, this, return to segregating our curriculum, because that's what we're doing. Because you will, in private schools and in some independent schools, they'll continue to learn right, they'll continue to understand critical thought and

be prepared for the world around them. But it's why the question is never asked of these right wing Republicans, why don't you want Americans to know the truth? Why are you so afraid of white Americans understanding the entirety

of this country's history? And so, you know, Mark, do you even see because I want to really tap into this call for a civil war, but I feel like folks are calling for a civil war because they don't They honestly don't even understand most people that are that are doing this the brutality of war, right, Or maybe they do and they don't care, But do you like talk to me about how this denial of history is part of our continued trauma and cycle of what we're

dealing with in this country right now. It's not only the denial of history, it's a denial of the ongoing reality that exists in this country, and we find trying to rear its ugly head more and more around the world. Look, we just had in Italy. Now we know they just selected the woman Mussolini again, folks, broken record. We need to go back and listen to God arrest her soul, doctor Francis Chris Welson. And while she was a clinician, I mean she said some very clear political and socio

cultural things. We exist within a global system of racism and white supremacy. That is the bedrock of what is going on here. Now. People don't want to talk about that. They're uncomfortable with that. Yeah, we don always want to talk about race, Margios, don't talk about race. But when you wake up, when we wake up in the morning to start our day, the global system of racism and white supremacy has already been at work all night and it is institutionalized. And the sooner we accept that and

confront that. So that system exists, These civil war flare ups, these conversations Q and nine, all this stuff is a result of that. And until we call it out and snuff it out, it's going to continue to be a problem for us. And look, this goes all the way around some of us a black food. We don't want to talk about that, you know, because it's easier sometimes keep our head in the stands and just in saying and go here with our daily function. You know, we don't want to take it on, but we have to.

We don't have a choice. Um. I find in my life, my life is healthier when I confront the real enemies, y'all. When we don't confront the real enemies, then we tend to take things out on one another. That's my that's my clinical advice. You know, if we are confronting the real problem. How many of us have problems at work and then come this is this is deal with that local matter, just in your immediate local situation, local life, immediate life problems in the workplace. We bring that home

and take it out on our loved ones. That's what that's that's that's human nature. Um. But it takes a level of discipline and understanding. And this comes through education, This comes through enlightenment, This comes from information being power. So wait a minute, wait, wait, wait, my loved ones aren't there. I mean, I don't need to be hard on them, but I don't need to mistreat them. I don't need to nail them to the cross because I'm being nailed to the cross at work. I'm being niled

to the cross in the large society. I need to combat these problems where they exist. You know, I have people call me all the time. Man, I'm having a problem to work. Okay, well let's let's take a hit on. But I don't know if I really should say anything. Why are you calling me? You know, you know if we don't, because otherwise you're going to internalize it. And I think too many of us do that. I get it. It's hard the day to day. Folks are struggling trying

to make ends meet. There are no living wages, so that's part of it. Two, it's hard to mobilize people when folks are just struggling to get bad in here. I come here, come that Mark Thompson, that Daniel Moody. Trying to get us mobilized. Do something. We got to go to work. We ain't got time for none of this. So this is what's important. So the minimum you can do, broken record again, is vote and take seriously every election, including where if you live in a community where they

still have an elected school board urgent. So we got lazy. We elect first black president, and we figured that's that's all the vote we need to do. Vote for the president, don't vote for nothing else, and that the risk don't matter. Big mistake. School board, local elections, mayor city account If the mayor controls the school system, you like that mayor up, you hold that mayor accountable. That's the very least we

can do. Besides, I was on a zoom just the other night with some folks dealing in education and fighting this backlash year against CRT. I remember when we were in the fight, Danielle back in the early nineties for African centered curriculum, and in that battle it got to water down to multicultural curricular You probably remember some of those terms, y'all, and then we end up with nothing.

But the difference then was that people were mobilized, People were showing up the school board meetings, people were engaged. We must get back to that, because it starts fundamentally there at the education level, it continues in the voting booth, and then even in the seasons we aren't voting, we need to continue to mobilize, organize, be in the streets, call out the corporate powers, the businesses that are supporting racism and white supremacy. Stop and I'm gonna say this,

and I'm talking too much. This is important for us as African Americans, as you know, really as Africans around the world, as black people. Disinformation is targeting us more than any other group of people. What Danielle is telling us today, what the New York Times is telling us, is that they are using their social media to mobilize the civil war. Yes, but social media is being used to divide us, Yes, to turn us and gets one another. Boycott the woman king. Don't vote for Stacey Abrams because

she don't do nothing for black men. That's not real, that's not organic, that's not a natural thing coming out of our community. These are hired hitt accounts, if not bots, that have infiltrated our community. Y'all. Remember when I nobody gonna notice. Rememberhen everybody's a clubhouse, all we own Clubhouse. Every night on Clubhouse, say has several rooms where they were debating Africans versus African Americans. Why why was that going on? Who was instigating that that was purposely to

divide us? Why should we boycott the woman king? Why should we not support reparations? Why are people telling black men not to vote? Stay sabers sharing another thing for black men? What's Brian Kempt doing for black men? Come on, see, I'm supped to show you the opposite of what social media is doing to our community. It's dividing us and keeping us confused while it's being helped and the social

media executives, the owners of it are promoting it. They're using it to mobilize to have this dog on civil war. It's no secret that the news is horsepill hard to swallow. Thankfully, there's The Bituation Room podcast hosted by comedian and commentator Francesca free Er and Tini for a lighter take on the heavy stuff. Each week, the Bituation Room brings you progressive comedians, sperts, and activists to break down the issues in a way that won't just leave you crying under

a weighted blanket. Get the bituation room on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, and streaming on YouTube and Twitch. You know that it marked my goodness because I have not been thinking about the ways in which you know, so I think I'm thinking about this now. I'm thinking about the fact that when BLM, when we were protesting in the summer of twenty twenty, you got the FBI and the CIA scouring

through our chat room, scouring through our social media sites. Right, flag here, flag there, they rounded up like over a thousand people across this country that we're protesting the murder

in broad frigging daylight of George Floyd. Three thousand percent is up where the FBI and the CIA, Where where they pull in, where they pull in these people out from their computer, out from behind their computers and putting up flags and saying that this is terrorists organism, Like this is terrorists organizing, This is this, that and the

other thing. Where are the bustins on this? And this is where I say that this is how people begin to lose faith and hope because when you start to see the ways in which our community, the black community, is continually broken down, discombobulated, misinformed on purpose so that we can't organize for the sake of our power, our collective power to seek justice. But then these mfers over here are organizing to overthrow a government, to kill members

of the FBI, members of their own goddamn part. And it's just like, oh, it's just a locker room talk that's happening right now. We don't use January sixth and saying that that was the dress rehearsal, which is what every black person said on that day, that this is just the dress rehearsal. So Mark, like, if the city, like, we tell people, and because this is what I want to get to, we tell people, and I tell people, you gotta vote, You got to show up and vote.

You not voting is essentially voting for the opposition. You're not voting is essentially voting for your own oppression. However, I also recognize that we are operating inside of systems that we're not built for us. That we're operating. We're talking about right now, where is where are our city our national security agencies in terms of protecting us from domestic terrorism that is on the rise that they see.

So how do you tell people to go ahead and vote and and vote into a system that we just have said, by virtue of the few examples that we've given, ain't about us. Yeah, that's a good point, and it is difficult. It is it is hard to motivate. But this is going to take some level of attrition. The more we vote for progressive candidates up and coming, eventually this generation that we're up against is going to die out.

And that includes even the safe Democrats, even the Merrick Garlands who clearly can't walk and choo gun at the same time. You know, he found written. Now, let's be honest, we can take credit for what we can take credit for. There was the public outcry for him to do something, and it got to the point where the law would not allow him to continue to ignore Donald Trump's crimes. But are we only going to focus on an insurrection January sixth, or we're gonna focus on an ongoing insurrection

when we have the evidence that it exists. New York Times has it? Then Mary Garland ought to have even more information, and I get it. Uh, well, you know, we don't want to do anything to affect the election. Well, what day is election? What day is election? They November? What whatever it is? The next morning and nine am, their need to their needs to be some type of accountability for those who are instigating an ongoing insurrection and ongoing civil war. Who they're gonna wage the warm Do

we think that they're gonna take on the US military. No, they're gonna come for us back. The man came in the Buffalo grocery store looking for black Yep, they're gonna take it out on brown people. All people of color are gonna take it out on women because women are standing up for their bodily autonomy. So, folks, I know it seems bleak. We keep saying vote, but it's not. It's not just voting, it's voting consistently, and it's voting down ballot. And we've just not done that. We've not

been good at that. We've never even tried it. So we can't say it's not gonna work because we haven't really done it. It has to become second nature voting, protecting the right to vote, it has to become second nature to us. And then also being involved, frankly, in some level of political activities, some level of civil rights, some level of activism outside of voting. They need to know at a moment's notice, we're prepared to go to the streets. They need to know at a moment's notice

that we're prepared to be involved in economic accountability. Consumer campaigns, which we learn from Color of Change, are more powerful than Boycott's today. You know, people I want to do boykot, no're gonna do boycott. See, because these brands, these these companies can't afford damage to their brand, and so you give a brand a bad name, they're done. We have the power to you. That's why Fox doesn't have the advertise.

That's a victory. Fox News does not have any advertisers other than pillow guy yep whose cell phone was confiscated. That's a victory. We did that, The movement did that. You did that, those those who are listening to us today. So there are victories that can be won. We just we just have to understand, as Frederd Douglas said, eternal vigilants. The last thing is they are if people are still trying to reminisce about civil war, that's what called eternal

visions civil wars or eighteen sixty five. What is the twenty twenty two people still romantis asking that's called E two on the vigilants, they ain't given up, but we just are we free? We free? Remark no, we're not. And and this this country keeps we take two steps forward to take one step back. That is the nature. Until we eradicate America and the world of the scourge of fascism and racism and sexism and white supremacy and

all the other isms islamophobia, xenophobia, homophobia. Until we eradicate, then this is a battle we're got. So you know, basically, folks, you got side to side now then you're going to be in this fight. Is not a time for comfort. I don't know you want more here. I want to be comfortable, and I know we all want to be comfortable, but our enemies are at the gate. You know it's so true, Mark, because the thing too here is that I don't think that people are ready to disrupt their comfort.

I take a look at what is happening to our sisters in Iran, to what they are standing up against, to what they are doing with the burning of their he jobs, the cutting of their hair in public. Young women are being murdered in the street. The Internet has been blacked out, so we don't know what's going on. Do you think that Americans recognize that the enemy is really at the gate, that this isn't just hyperbolic Twitter

talk and chatter. That like what we are seeing take place in Iran and what happened to Iran over forty years, right, is it can and is happening in the United States. So what do you say, how do we move people mark out of their comfort Well, again, I think that it requires us two. First of all, remind people that they're being purposely and deliberately comforted and distracted. So when we when we get lost on Netflix and TikTok and everything else, our enemies over here they're not going They're

still working. Three thousand percent increase in civil war talk, But how many people noticed that? Nobody did because we're we're dealing with another type of opioid, and that is the escapism. Everything on tis about that we're sharing TikTok videos, we're just funny, laughing ha, and our enemies are organizing and mobilized in the midst of all of that. And again, what's interesting, See, we gotta talk about this. The algorithms

know who we are. They know who we are, they know they know our likes, they know our interests, so they market this opiate to us. But for those on the other side, they're getting all information to mobilize themselves and strike back, and ultimately it becomes for the media, it really becomes in their interest because the more drama there is in this era of reality television, so to speak, the more drama it is, the more they stay relevant

with the coverage, with the information. So that's just like Trump was put in office because people wanted that drama. That drama sold. We couldn't turn away from it. It was rubbernecking twenty four seven. It was the accident on the freeway. You couldn't turn your head away from non stop. And then here we are again with this thing. So folks, we you know, hey have fun, enjoy I look at TikTok, I do all those things. I like to laugh. I'm funny. I think I have a sense of human but charming,

whatever you wanna call it. I think I don't know some people saying album thank you, you are too thank you. Even see even Danielle and I can be entertained, but it's still in a sense of consciousness And where do we get differrom did Gregory account of set the tone He was the first comedian. He was TikTok. Before TikTok, he was the first comedian to bring a level of wokeness and consciousness and awareness into them, into them into the comedy. And that's what we have to do in

our daily lives. We have got to get engaged. Example, yeah, folks, everybody run around him said about Dobb's decision and row. But where were you we were saying that was gonna happen. The woman herself said it when she ran for president. Believe that she just wanted to be the president. It's gone. How many warnings do we need? There's like the people down in Florida didn't want to leave home. What say's gonna be a hurricane that talks to other people? I'm

moving to Florida. You see what just happened. There are hurricanes in Florida and getting worse. Why are you trying to move to Florida. There's something that there's some cognitive yea going on in terms and it might just be this American thing because the other country around the world looking us and say, you know, Americans are a trip. Uh. We When they had the queen's funeral, people out protesting in the street because they close down food banks. Economy

is doing bad. People don't have nothing to eat. But you heard that. People spoke up and they say, you can't close these fool You can't do this to us because the queen is dead while we as taxpayers are paying for because you know so in America, as Americans, we we we've got to wake up and get involved.

Join an organization, join a movement. If you are a member of a house of worship, seats to that your house of worship is involved, not just you know, you're worship leader, Muslim, Jewish, Christian, whatever, you are just up there seeing platitudes, you know, oh, doing bad. The Lord's going to help the Lord to make away somehow. No, that's insufficient. The Lord would want us to be engaged, to be in a fight, to stand up for justice. Pull out those scriptures, get out of the routine. They

are assembling. They are coming for you and for me. And if they take in the words of James bald if they take one of us in the morning, they will come for the rest of us in the night. Good sir, good sir. This is why you talk too much. That's why you hunt radio. And we used to you and I used to have more dialogue. I'm ask you something before we go, can I do let's say answer. I know he's on a time limit, um the to

put his own tame herschel Walker. Oh good god. I want to get your reaction to that whole thing and that hypocrisy and then his son. See, let me get your reaction in because this, you know, first of all, because I've said this, and I haven't spent a lot of time on herschel Walker on this show, because he's a buffoon, and he is the perfect, the perfect outside of Kanye West, the perfect puppet for white supremacy. He is exactly he embodies exactly what white people think about

black people. Not that Bright got the right melanin, he knew how to throw a football. They'll get behind him and we can fill his mouth and fill his mind with whatever we want, because all he wants is to be, you know, special. All he wants is a pat on the head from white folks. Right and when I see them right now, not even they're not even pretending. They don't give a damn about him paying for an abortion for his girlfriend. And frankly, I don't care what I

care about is hypocrisy. I care about the fact that you want to go out there and talk about being pro life, and literally, the Daily Beast showed the fucking receipts of the fact that, like, you aren't pro life, right because you got yourself into a situation that you got your girlfriend pregnant, and you're a cheater, you're a philanderer, you're all of these things. And so you wanted to you want it and exit out right, so it's okay for you. And so you see these folks getting up there.

You had New Gingrich talking about he's a good Christian. He's running against a man that is an actual goddamn reverend. Don't talk to me about Christianity. Talk to me about fucking performance, right, because that's what this is. You all perform religiosity. You don't embody Christ. Give me a break. So I see these people and I'm just like, but I realize Mark this, and I said this on Twitter recently, I said media needs to stop trying to shame the devil.

The devil don't get shamed, right, like we keep trying to show Republicans, look at your hypocrisy, look at this, look at that, thinking that they are going to turn away and be like, oh, I'm sorry, Oh blah blah blah blah blah. No, they actually came out and said, what it is. We don't give a damn what herschel Walker does. We want power. So here's the media's job. Listen to what they are saying instead of what you

would like to hear. They are telling you they don't give a damn, which means that they don't give a damn about you. They don't give a damn about your family, they don't give a damn about your vote. They don't give a damn about anything but power. So what you think they're gonna do once you give it to them by virtue of your neglect to vote? What do you

think is going to happen? So for me, herschel Walker, ain't nothing, but ain't nothing but another set of red flags in a sea of red flags that we've been seeing since Donald Trump came down that escalator. Yeah, you're right, you're right, and we need to see that two people they're telling they want power. So now, if your enemy wants power and all you want is TikTok, something wrong with that? Your enemy is saying to your face, we don't care how many abortions he paid for. They literally

look it up. It's on the record. Yep, we want the Senate. It says something else too, about the depravity. This goes back to Clarence Thomas, you know. And this is before me too. And sexual harassment is bad enough. There's a whole lot of ways do sexual harassment. But I don't know how many people have sexually harassed people. And they say to a young woman, these are my pubic hairs on top of a coke can. That's a whole other level of illness, and that they seek. They

seek the ill so that they can be manipulated. Now, I'm gonna bring this to a point if you really look at the Herschel Walker's story. Though hersche's black man like me, this is a black family like yours. You look at his son, Christian as as confused as he is. I saw a lot of pain in that video. That's you're exploiting people who are in pain and who need help and who need healing. Her show has been diagnosed with multiple personalities order on top of the CTE injury.

So you can't really, Christian, We're gonna do all these things at what point do we not exploit people? At what point do we say do we need power more than doing harm to people who need help? And I hate to see it if the news comes out today tomorrow that the Dick Gregor, you say this all the time, we gotta be fam of this. The woman who had debortion, she's hurt. The son Christian, he's hurt, and his mother hurt.

Herschel is damaged. I mean, so if the news come out tomorrow that we got quadruple suicide, what we're gonna say, who's responsible for that? Yet? What they always say now is not the time for that conversation. But this is a family, a whole family sis when the reality TV stuff comes real this this is a whole entire family, two families. Because it's two at least two women involved, we don't know about all the other people that are

being exploited. So Trump and Mitch McConnell can have the Senate. Now, something's wrong with that. A matter of fact. You know, we've all had families who family members who need to help and intervention. Okay, so if you can't buy Herschel, let's do it. Intervention. You don't need to be in the Senate, bro, you need to work on that healing. You to get yourself together, get your family together, and know when you're being explored in the way that you are,

do an intervention. If you love Herschel, oh, I love Hershe's greatest running back. Herschel's help running back, no question about it. We all love Herschel when he played football, when he played football, but he ain't running for football. He's not running the football. Nope. This is for something else and there needs to be a level of healing. I'm a reverend one octets two. Good thing. I don't

run against Herschel's. That'd be my whole platform that if you if you support Herschel Walker, don't vote for him. Help him, Yeah, help him save himself and his family before somebody, because this is terrible and permanent damage to be imagine your whole family thing was played out on social media. Y'all, all your business, everything that's going on. Come on, this is not this is this is not the way, and that that in of itself is politics aside, that is wrong. It is inhuman and hers. Then they

have us saying it because he's under control and being exploited. Yeah, so you you you tie yourself to your oppressor in some type of way and think that they ain't going to hang you out to dry for their own for their own needs and for their own power. And so you know, folks, I will close with saying this today that you know they don't want to God, they don't make no sing, but need to talk to each other. I'm sorry. They don't make any secret about what they're

doing and what their plans are. So we need to stop acting shocked. We need to stop acting like, oh my goodness, I never saw this coming. They are literally planning orchestrating, strategizing in broad daylight without any intervention. Right, So, folks, like, if you think that this is a joke, let me tell you something. The joke is gonna be on you. The joke is gonna be on all of us. Because when these people get power, they are not ever ever going to give it up. The laws will change because

they will have the power to change the laws. And if you think that people are just going to casually go along with laws that are going to continue to oppress and push them back in closets and push them back into slavery, and this, that and the other thing, it's not going to happen. So Mark Thompson, my good good friend, May's tail ain't fiction. Now I think I just something hand. May's tail ain fiction, y'all, It's not. It is not. Mark as always. Please you know we

appreciate your voice so much. You stay safe and you come back and see us again next month, which is going to be the month of midterm, so good Lord knows what we'll be talking about then, but let's pray about it. Appreciate, appreciate wok That is it for me today, dear friends on okay, app as always, Power to the people and to all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.