Will Smith, Alopecia, and Hollywood Ableism

lot of conversation. And I'm really happy about that and we will be sure to have Lauren back on the show. But what a fucking week to return to my God, So let me kick things off with starting my thoughts on the oscars. Okay, so, folks, um coming up later in the show, I have a guest on, a new guest that has not been on the show before, and

so I'm really excited to bring you their perspective. Kara Ready is the director of the Disability Association for Journalists and has worked in a variety of newsrooms from CNN to NPR, MSNBC and others. And I wanted to have Kara on the show because you know the incident that occurred at the Oscars. And if by now you don't know, I don't know where you have been. But so let

me give you a quick remix. During Chris Rocks I guess set conversation his joke set, he decided to make a very, in my humble opinion, disrespectful joke about Jada Pinkett Smith, Will Smith's wife, Will Smith, and Jada Pinkett Smith were there at the Oscars. Why because Will Smith was nominated for his Best Actor role in King Richard, which he would later win that night after he smacked the shit out of Chris Rock on national television for

making a joke about Jada Pinkett's hair. Now, let me start to preface something right off the bat, which is this, if you are not from the community that is the butt of a joke, you don't get to say whether or not something should just roll off of people's backs, or whether or not they should just laugh at their

own pain, in their own trauma. The fact is this, Jada Pinkett Smith has been very public about her battle with alopecia, a immune disorder that has people's hair fall out right and for some people who I've seen on social media. It has shocked me, frankly that people are just so cavalier with saying losing your hair is not

a big deal. First of all, you can go so far back into the fucking Bible, if that is your religion of choice, where the woman's hair, women's hairs talked about as their crown and their glory and all of these things. We can also go back into history to talk to you about the ways in which black women's hair, body demeanor have been policed over the course of history. I can't think of a time when black women's hair

hasn't been the subject of somebody's joke, commentary, or abuse. Right, And for Chris Rock, a man who actually did an entire fucking movie entitled Good Hair talking about the politicization of black women's hair, to make that joke at Jada Pinkett's expense made no fucking sense. So do I condone violence, No, But do I understand it apps a fucking lutely. I do what I have said to Will Smith to tarnish or to you know, distract people from your historic win

the first time ever for a long overdue Oscar. Yeah, wasn't the best choice. Right, You could have used the opportunity during your acceptance speech to fucking roast Chris Rock, right, and that would have been acceptable and okay. But you know, folks, here's the thing too. You never know what people are battling with and what they are dealing with and what will push them over the edge. And that is just facts. Again,

am I condoning violence? No, But I also say that if you've been paying attention over the past couple of years, the Smiths have been in the news for a whole host of things, and they have also been the butts of many jokes, even when they're trying to be their most authentic selves. Share their vulnerabilities, share their indiscretions, to open up conversations about open marriages, entanglement, all of these things. They have brought it to their Red Talk table conversations. Right.

Will Smith sat there while Jada Pinkett Smith was talking about her entanglement, her affair with a much younger man. We made memes about his pain. Right. So again, I'm not condoning violence, but you have to understand that there's only so much that people can take. And also for those people that want to say that, oh, because of their wealth and because of their fame, again, they should just allow things to roll off their back and turn

the other cheek. Give me a fucking break, right, because what we have seen over the course of the last several years, as we've had more open conversations about mental health, about depression, about anxiety, particularly in these COVID times, during this pandemic, where mental health and those conversations have been at the forefront, you know, to just dismiss people's feelings and their emotions because they have money, to me, makes

absolutely no sense because there are many celebrities that have used their fame and their platform to advance conversations that wouldn't have happened without them. And so again my problem with what went down is this, I find it very difficult to laugh at jokes at the expense of other people,

particularly people from marginalized communities. Alopecia, which is not something that I know a whole lot about, But thanks to the very openness of Congresswoman Ayana Pressley, thanks to the openness of Jada Pinkett Smith, I have learned more right about this immune disorder, about how it affects women, particularly when society has wrapped up our femininity and our value by what grows out of our head, and particularly for Black women who have either had to iron their hair,

their hair weave their hair in order to meet European expressions of beauty. Right, as a black man, Chris Rock should have fucking known better than to talk about a black woman's hair, particularly one that is actually suffering from a health disorder. So to make the comparison to a movie where the woman in the movie Gijan made the choice to cut off her hair as opposed to what Jada Pinkett Smith has been dealing with, was just absurd

on its face, right. But my other issue is with people's lack of fucking nuance and to understand the layers and the complexities that were at play, right, Because to me, there is also something else that many people have been talking about, which is this toxic masculinity. Right. Why does love right or defense of a woman have to look like violence? Right? Why did Will Smith feel the need to get it up out of his seat to knock

another man out, which he didn't. He slapped him, open hand slap, Because let's be honest, if Will Smith actually wanted to cause real damage to Chris Rock other than his ego. He could have right, but he did not,

so that was also a calculated decision. But again, we're talking about the issues of emotions and masculinity and toxicity and what a man should do in defense of his woman and all of these things, and not taking into consideration all of the different layers and the nuances that were at play is just, I don't know, intellectually dishonest

right at this point. And so you can see more of my thoughts at Zora Magazine, where I wrote a piece entitled in Defense of Black Women, And what I did is start out with a very well known and very well quoted speech from Malcolm X from nineteen sixty two, right with regard to the fact that the most unpre unprotected right and lack of care for person in this country is the black woman. And you can't point to

something and tell me otherwise. So I'd love to hear your thoughts on my piece, But now I want to make the transition to talking about somebody else's wife, who should actually be in the fucking news and who should be on everybody's fucking lips and is not because we are so invested in the slap that we are not looking at who is slapping the shit out of our fucking democracy right now, which is, Oh, I don't know

the Thomas is. So let's transition to this married couple while I was on vacation, Clarence Thomas's wife, right, Jinny Thomas. It was brought to the attention of the world. Not only was Jinny which I can't stand that fucking name, like I want to change the car into Jinny now because of her. But anyway, I digress. Jenny found herself at the insurrection on January sixth, and she said that

she was there in support of her president. Now, one would assume that a sitting Supreme Court justice should not have their spouse right be at any type of political rally, let alone one that is based on a fucking lie. And you would assume that if your husband or your wife is a sitting member of the Supreme Court, then the Constitution wouldn't be something that is foreign to you, right.

But as it turns out, Jenny Thomas wasn't just at the insurrection, She wasn't just at the rally listening to the speeches, but she actually helped fund the buses of the protesters who would later shit in the Capitol building and steal right and try and, oh, I don't know, thwart our entire electoral process. An overturn an election that sounds like, what's the word I'm looking for, Oh, a crime. It sounds like a fucking crime that the Department of

Justice you would think would be active in investigating. But still, as of yet we hear crickets from Merritt Garland's fucking Department of Justice. Now, riddle me this. Justice Thomas was also get this, ladies and gentlemen, the soul vote against Donald Trump releasing his correspondence during the insurrection. Now we should all be wondering why was that? Why was Clarence

Thomas so against the release of that information? Could it be, as it turns out, that Jenny Thomas was doing back and forks, back and forth text messages between herself and Donald Trump's chief of staff Mark Meadows, who was also actively writing statements and letters to the Department of Justice to get them to overturn or at least put out some type of statement that would lead us to believe that the election was fraudulent, and then Donald Trump would

quote unquote take it from there, folks, the amount of fucking evidence that is staring Merrick Garland's Justice Department in the face, the amount of information that we have received from the over five hundred people interviewed by the House Commission on the insurrection. Now we see reports that they would like to write the House won six Commission would

like to request an interview with Jenny Thomas. And I'm thinking to myself self, if this were the other way around, and Democrats had caused an insurrection where Democrats had their followers be a part of the killings and the abuse of police officers, right, that Republicans would not be requesting

so nicely for an interview. That instead, oh, I don't know, they would do the same type of aggressive shit that they did with Benghazi, which turned up with zero indictments, but that they would make it known to the world what exactly was happening Democrats. On the other hand, though, I'm looking around and I'm saying, how much more fucking information do we need here from Merrick Garland to act like he has a goddamn spine? How much more do we need to know to understand that our Supreme Court

is fucking compromised? Right? That our Department of Justice seems to be compromised, and that there is no push or emphasis coming out of the Biden administration to actually do any fucking thing about it. That once again, here we have more money and resources and energy going to Ukraine and preserving their democracy and none of that same energy going to preserve the United States. Now let me say this because while I was away, I did a post on TikTok, which, by the way, folks, I'm on the

TikTok's now, so go and follow me. But I did a post on ti talk saying that, you know, in response to Biden's speech in Poland, which he then had to walk back once again and apologize for saying that there needs to be a regime change in Russia and that Putin needs to be removed, which, by the way, every fucking person on this planet believes. But as we know, words that come out of the mouth of the President of the United States carry more weight. But here's also

the reality. Do you know how many fucking regime changes that the United States has orchestrated over the last two hundred and plus fucking years A lot, so for us again to feign shock and outrage like, oh my god,

people should be decided, be able to decide their own leaders. Yeah, we'll talk to the people of Haiti, of Venezuela, of Columbia, of Nicaragua, all of the places where the United States has gone in and put in their own fucking presidents and prime ministers in order to better right position themselves

in geopolitical world, in the geopolitical world, and in warfare. Right, look at what happened in Afghanistan, look at what's happened in Syria, in all of these places, I mean the lists of the ways in which the United States has

stuck its nose in other people's business. So for there to be feigned outrage that the United States could never or would never just once again shows us that the history that we are teaching our children and have been taught ourselves has been based in the overall gaslight right, which is to say that America is beyond reproach, that we are all the good guys going around the world to preserve democracy, and that it doesn't have anything to

do with the advancement of our own capitalistic interests. Folks, it's exhausting. The bullshit is exhausting me. It's why I needed to take a vacation. And even as I'm listening to people say that, oh my god, the president, those nine words that he said, those nine words were a travesty.

And I'm listening to Republicans. Republicans have the audacity to say what exactly that, Oh my god, Presidents shouldn't say things that people find offensive, when in fact, you hold up Donald Trump, who won couldn't put together a cohesive sentence if he had a gun to his head, but also has said some of the most offensive shit, namely wanting to tweet out potential nuclear war to North Korea. Do people not remember that? Right? But again, America's memory

is like that of a gnat. Folks, Here's the thing. Clarence Thomas needs to be investigated. Jinny Thomas needs to be investigated. Mark Meadows needs to be investigated. John Eastman is going to be investigated because a federal judge has said that he needs to release over one hundred emails right that are that are still sitting over four hundred

days removed from the insurrection on this motherfucker's laptop. My question is about this sense of urgency, is about the clock that we are on as we count our way down to midterms, and in all honesty, Democrats have nothing to show. The last thing that I will say for

today is that President Biden also released his budget. And when I tell you that, the only thing that I needed to see in that budget that almost made me turn absolutely green and want to vomit is the increase in funding, increase in funding for police and the military from previous budgets. So when Joe Biden found himself saying we don't need to defund the police, we need to fund the police during his State of the Union, oh he meant that shit because he's giving them more of

our tax dollars to kill more of us. Right, there's no police reform bill. We didn't get rid of qualified immunity, but we're giving them more money so that they can go around and play g I Joe and kill us without any accountability or responsibility. So to the very people, the black people that put Joe Biden's ass in the

White House, that was, sir, a giant fuck you. So if you think that folks aren't going to return the favor in twenty twenty two and twenty twenty four, you are absolutely fucking tripping and Here's the thing that I will say. I tell people to vote all the time. I will absolutely vote, and I will vote for Democrats, but let me be very clear, I understand people who won't.

Coming up next my conversation with Kara, I really really hope that you take some really good nuggets away from that conversation and let me know in the comment section what you thought about the Oscars fiasco and how you are feeling now a couple of days removed, folks, I am very excited to welcome to woke f for the first time, Kara Ready, who is the director of Disay of the Disabled Journalist Association. Kara, I am really happy to talk to you today. You know, removed from the

OSCARS twenty twenty two. Who knew that it was going to provide such fodder and layered conversation given the alto physical altercation between Will Smith and Chris Rock Um after Chris rock made what I will use in quotations as a joke UM about Jada Pinkett Smith, Will Smith's wife, Um and her hair and her appearance, UM saying that she looks ready for g I Jane two, Um, I want to talk to you, particularly about what were your initial reactions, uh, if you were watching it live or

you saw it you know, um via you know after after the fact via video like I did, um what were your thoughts? Uh? And how how did it land with you? So I have a I have a history with Chris Rock actually, um, he's He's known to me as someone who is willing to throw out ablest jokes, jokes, quotation marks without like no, with no feeling or thought

about it. So when whenever I see him on screen, I'm always like, oh oh, and then he did it and I was like, oh oh, Because you know, there's a lot of people that are like, well, no one knew he had she had alopecia. Well, does not knowing someone have alopecia make it okay for you to comment about their physical appearance? Why is that an okay position to have? First of all, disability, We don't know a

lot of people are invisibly disabled a lot. Yeah, and so we have no idea what people are dealing with. And so if that's all you can do is make fun of the way people look, then like where is the camp? Where's the skill? And you know, I've been in comedy circles. I did the improv circuit, and I had a lot of improv bros say to me, don't you don't understand. I'm like, right, because when I'm on stage with you, you always want to make fun of my height. I'm a dwarf. Make fun of my height

because it's easy for you. And usually it's the guys that aren't that funny yep, who immediately were like, I'm uncomfortable. I'm not landing jokes. I know what will I know what will land a joke? I'll make a midget joke because she's right here and you know, and people are like, well, it was just off the cuff, But why is not always what comes out of his head off the cuff? Yew? Does that say about you and your talent and people? Kara,

you don't know, you don't know. I do actually know, and I've had I had a conversation with him into the mall and a mall once because he texted or he tweeted. Right after Hillary Clinton got the nomination in twenty sixteen, he tweeted something, well, now a lesson being midget can be on the ticket now that we have a woman. Now I'd already had a problem with him because in his Bigger and Blacker special he said that Stevie Wonders should be allowed a pet midget to walk

him around. So this is someone that literally comes for people and their appearance and their their disability. And so when I went to him and said hey, yo, I ran into him in the mall, just randomly it was and I just was like, can I speak to you for a saca? Because this is what this does. And he kind of just acted super surprised that anyone would confront him on that, and then kind of just kept saying, well, I'm old and in my fifties, I can't change if

people are laughing, it's funny. And you know that actually explained to a lot of what happened on Twitter last night was the people were like, you guys are being too sensitive. Amanda Steels came out and said, if you guys can't take a joke, then what's up for you?

We got to be solidarity with black people. Well, black people of the second highest rate of disability in America, So who are you who are you being in solidarity with if you can't acknowledge disability and blackness and how disability is a core is a core tenet of blackness in America, Like, if you can't acknowledge that, then you're not in solidarity with black people. You're in solidarity with this very thin view of blackness. And I have a problem with that. You know, it's there are so there

are oftentimes right where comedians say things right. The point of comedy in a lot of ways, right is supposed to be to bring into conversation good comics. Let me say, to bring into conversation issues that we struggle with talking about right without there being some type of punchline. And you know, I had a similar type of conversation and have had similar type of conversations after Dave Chappelle's stand up. Right and Dave Chappelle's stand up is targeting and targeting

of the trans community. And you know, it's always the people who are not the targets and the butts of the jokes, who feel that they have the space and the place to be able to tell those other people who are harmed. Right. And when I say harmed, I don't just mean upset feelings, because upset feelings are also valid,

but words we know can turn into violence. Right. We had a former twice impeached President of the United States make a joke as a candidate about a disabled reporter, right, who was then jostled about at one of his rallies. Because people take those quote unquote jokes, right, and they

use them as a reason to dehumanize other people. Because without to me, without the context, right, without the understanding, and frankly, without really what it means to be a true ally to a marginalized community, you don't get the opportunity to make jokes that are harmful that can turn into actual physical violence. And the fact is that you know, the harms that words have are can cut way deeper

than a physical knife, right. And these are the things that I you know, I am a big believer that there are just that it's laziness, right, Like I think that Chris Rock is a I do believe that Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle are brilliant comedians. I do believe also that they are completely problematic at times, and that without that, without people really checking them and really offering

conversations as to why this is okay? Right, Like, you've begun the list of people that you can readily make fun of, right without their being consistent pushback has shrunk, right, Like it is no longer acceptable to make fun of lesbian, gay bisexuals. Oh, but you can still make fun of trans people, right because you know less than twenty percent of the population is made up of trans people, So oh,

we feel that's okay. You can make fun of people with physical disabilities, or emotional disabilities or mental disabilities, because oh, it's it's easy. Right. We can talk about bipolarism, depression and make these make these conversations because it's low hanging fruit.

To your point, what do you think is then the responsibility of journalists to have more of a nuanced conversation as to why, as to why what we witnessed, you know, at the Oscars and what we have seen before, whether it be on comedy specials or stand ups or what

have you are problematic. So I'll just every newsroom I've ever been in has been superablest, and I will just say that out loud, and newsrooms need to start first checking themselves and looking around and understanding that if you don't know, if you have a disabled colleague, then you're probably in a really ablest room. I'm not saying there's

not disabled people in there. I'm saying that there's people that are afraid to disclose, which means they're also not asking for accommodations because they're afraid for their jobs, which means you are penalizing and punishing people. And people are doing things to their bodies that maybe they shouldn't be doing because they're afraid they're going to lose their job. So then start there right. Then The second spot is is if you are in that space, how in the

world are you going to cover this? If you if your colleagues can't even tell you that they're disabled, how are you covering this? And so I saw I had a lot of my journalist friends on my page upset because I took the position of no way, And you know, this guy's been problematic for a reason. I am not condoning slapping on stage in a national setting. That's not

what I'm saying, right, It's not what I'm saying. But what I am saying is when you reap that kind of violence, when you put that kind of violence in the world, violence will come back at you. And that's what happened. And no one can seem to hear that what he said was violence, and that violence and like

people are like, it's just words. No, it's not, because as a person who has Dwarfism, when I go on the subway, I have to look around to see who has it in their head that I'm not really human, which he basically has said a lot is that we're subhuman, that we're not really full of people. That were jokes. So if you're putting that in the water, other people who are less informed than you take that, take that and run with it, and then there's violence. There's physical

violence perpetrated on you. But no one seems to want to make that connection. And so journalists never make that meshing because they first of all, they don't see it right. Second, because it's not around them. Even when I was in the newsrooms were super violent to me, and like I would have people come up to me and be like, oh, you persevered, you persevered. I'm like, you let me sit in it, and you said nothing. You just let me

sit there. While I was being told I wasn't that bright, I shouldn't make it past assistant because I couldn't be put on screen because that would be exploitation. If you put a dwarf on screen. You guys watched that visibly watch that but pretend like it didn't happen and don't notice it. So why am I going to listen to you talk about this issue when you haven't investigated your own ableism. So the word that journalists need to do

before they start reporting on this stuff. First of all, they need to hand the mic toism disabled journalists and have them cover it. Second of all, they need to go investigate their own ableism in a real deep way, the way that newsrooms have started to investigate racism. But guess what, racism and ableism intersect all over the place. So if you're investigating racism but you're not investigating ableism, you're not doing the work. And and how are you

covering people disability? Disabled people make up twenty six percent of the American population, twenty six percent the people that have the highest rate of disability or Native Americans and black people. What does that say that you aren't covering disability in a real, real substituent way, but you're covering them, You're covering the protests, But meanwhile, fifty percent of the

people are that are killed by hops are disabled. That all of the names that you know in your head, like Sandra Bland had epilepsy disabled, George Floyd had a drug problem. That's a disability, right, Um, I can't even like Eric Garner had diabetes and heart issues, all disabilities. We don't talk about that. We just talk about black guy, black woman, this, that and the other. But why why are prisons full of disabled people? When we talk about the school to prison pipeline, I rarely hear how that

how the school to prison pipeline actually functions. It functions by using disability as a weapon. But we never talk about that. We just talk about the black boys and the black girls that get whatever. We don't talk about the actual system that creates this problem. Why are thirty to of our prison populations disabled? You know? And it's you know, you say this right, you're saying these numbers

which are so incredibly jarring, the statistics. And then I think that the President's budget was announced this week, and do you know that he gave you know, trillions of more dollars to the police, right to the police and to the military above and beyond. Right, then is ever called for or they're even requesting? And I think to myself, you know, when are we going to have the consistent conversation about why money to police does not help people, right,

that it adds to harm. That instead of sending police for a you know, mental health issue and breakdown, which are a lot of the reasons why people are called, right, they haul there, you know, they call the police because you know, somebody is having a mental health crisis. And then the next thing we hear about that person is shot dead, right or strangled or need on or what what, whatever the case is. And we're saying, you're sending these officers.

It's not a crime. These people need actual help and that's not what police do. And yeah, I said it, that is not what they do, right, And so you know, you you then we say, you know, as Democrats, oh

well we need to support the Democrats. And I'm like, they're the ones that signed off and created the crime bail, right, Like, So when when we look at these things and we talk about harm, I really want us to have expansive conversations about what harm looks like, right, and how we contribute to these harms because you know, right now, you know, following this this Oscar's incident, the hashtag trending is I

stand with Chris Rock. That's what's trending right now on Twitter. Right, And I'm thinking to myself, So you stand with the public humiliation and abuse of a black woman. That's what I'm thinking, right, Like this is this is what you're standing by. Nobody's saying, Chris Rock, oh, be canceled this, I'm saying, learn a goddamn lesson. Like you said, you put out, you put out violent words, You put out violence into the universe. Best believe in karma when you

do things like that. I do not condone violence. I don't condone violence in any shape or form. But like Chris Rock said in one of his stand ups, I

understand it. I understand where it comes from. Right, And I understand that the possibility of watching your wife, as will Smith may have over the last however many years from her diagnosis, of watching her lose her hair a woman man who is in the public eye, who is an actress, and your beauty standards are held above everything else, right, and then watch that struggle privately, and then watch it

ridiculed publicly for other people's entertainment. It's one time too many. Yeah, Also in a room full of her peers, in a room full of her peers, in front of a national audience. Why like, why did you need that? What was it? And I remember having this conversation with him and he just kind of didn't get it. And someone said to me when during the discourse last night, well he's disabled too, and I said, yeah, he is, which makes it worse.

It doesn't make it and it's not an excuse. You don't get to say, oh, well i'm disabled, so or I didn't get it because my disability didn't make me get it. And it's now people have talked to you, people have said things to you about it. You can get this. You're a smart dude. You this is not don't blame don't blame this on your disability. And he hasn't. He literally hasn't, so I'm not saying that he did. But there's other people coming out trying to use disability

as a weapon, yeah, to not clear this up. And I just it's it's upsetting to me that the black community just really no, I'm not saying all the black community, but there's a large portion of the black community. It just is kind of like, I don't know what you're so upset about. And we're never gonna be free until

we talk about are all of our oppressions? There were some leading black journalists saying awful things on Twitter last night, yep, yep, awful stuff like like can you really call that a disability? Losing your hair? Like why, first of all, why are you? Why are you questioning someone's disability? Like if your lights getting black? Like and I know we're not supposed to do this, but I'm black, so I can do it. But like people questioning lights getting black? People me like

are you really black? It's like, where do you Why is that your duty to gate keep m You're sitting there gate keeping this this woman's disability. You have no idea what she's gone through. And she doesn't need to tell you that either. No, And I think you know

what comes up you know as well? Is you know when the late actor Chadwick Boseman died, right before his death, the amount of comments that were made about his appearance, the amount of jokes that were made, and then lo and behold to come and find out, Oh no, it was cancer. Right as to why he looked the way

that it did. Oh now, everyone's so apologetic, So why not just provide people with grace and assume that whether they are rich or not, that we don't need to make fun of people because we have no idea what

they are carrying. We have no especially, I would say Kara too, in this particular moment that we are living in of just trauma and history and all of these things that are happening, that like, we owe it to people, to ourselves and to them, to have more grace, to have to show more integrity and more dignity than we are seeing across the board, let alone own from those that we put on huge platforms because of their skill and their artistry and all of these things. Right, it

is a it is a trickle down effect. So last question for you, you know, is there is there a positive spin to have to this? Is there an opening for more of a conversation to be present? I hope? So,

I really do. Um. It's it's really complicated though, because all of this happened sort of publicly, right, and so black people were trying to figure out, We were trying to figure out in our own conversations like how to deal with this, And then you have why people inserting themselves being like I have an opinion and you're like, like to stay out of this for a minute. Um, it's I hope that it it. It is an opening.

I think that this issue is so wrapped up, you know, as a kid, and like, I don't want to make this all personal, but as a kid being raised in a black family when you're disabled, some of your relatives are like, just shake it off, don't don't worry about that, keep it moving, blah blah blah. Because that's that's what we teach each other. It's just can't worry about all

the opression. You just gotta keep rolling through it. But that's what I'm hearing a lot on Twitter, is like just push through it, or she should have just pushed through it, or why couldn't she just like whatever, because we all have this and we all got to move around,

and it's no, we actually need to dissect this. We need to we need to slow down and talk about all of these statistics and talk about what that means and what that means for us and our culture and what that means so that we can fix or rise past this oppression. And like, we can't stop pressing ourselves, but we can stop oppressing within our own community. And when people talk about solidarity, they have to really mean it, and solidarity doesn't mean shut up because we have to

praise that one successful guy. It's like, well, no, if that successful guy is doing harm to a large portion of our population, we need to check it. That's part of what solidarity is about. And I hope that we can finally like understand that solidarity isn't actually being quiet and not criticizing. Solidarity is making space and criticizing within our community so we can be better and be together

to fight the larger issue of oppression. Yeah, Carol, ready, thank you so much for making time to join wokate f daily and I hope that you will come back again. There are many more conversations for us to have. Really apreciate you. Thank you so much for the opportunity that is it for me today. Friends on woke a F as always, dear friends, Power to the people and to all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.