Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with me your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. Folks, you know, in yesterday's Woke Wednesday, I went off on a tangent of disgust, despair, and just outright rage at the current state of the Democratic Party. I posed a question which was asking why are you a Democrat? Right? Because I wake up in the morning and I'm beginning
to ask myself this question over and over again. Why am I so dedicated to a party that is not dedicated to me or my well being or actually shows that they understand the urgency of the moment that we are living in. Why do I continue to give them the benefit of the doubt as if all they need is more time and more votes and more people in order for them to do the same old shit that
they've been doing for decades. We're in this situation right now as it pertains to abortion in Roe v. Wade, because for fifty years we thought that rules were rules and laws were law, that no one would serve on the Supreme Court that doesn't actually believe in precedent, that doesn't actually believe in the Constitution, but then, you know, we also believe that, oh, Donald Trump is going to become president of the United States, and somehow he's going
to learn how to be presidential. He's going to learn how to give a fuck, because that's what the responsibility of the office means. How did that turn out? The thing is is that people in power don't actually have to do dick, but maintain that power, and you do so by keeping a large portion of the population underserved, right overregulated and underserved and in a state of consistent despair.
That then you're able to only really deal with the ruling class, the money class, the donor class, that's actually
who you're catering to. And if all of those people's needs are met by virtue of the fact that they have that they are part of the halves and have the money and the income to be able to deal with inflation, right to be able to not really pay taxes so that they can spread their money around in offshore accounts, then what is happening to our democracy and our rights really doesn't matter, because the rich will always find a way to get richer and to preserve their
own independence. None of the things that are falling on the rest of us, whether it is our inability to vote, our inability to get an abortion are soon, our inability to get contraception soon, your ability to send your child to a good public school, which many of people who are living in low income areas can already tell you
that ship is sailed. And instead we've put in form profit charter schools that have no rules, no regulation, because we believe that it's the rules and regulation that causes the problem, not the fucking greed, the patriarchy, and the white supremacy. On today's show, I'm going to be in conversation with my friend Jennifer Toubb, who wrote this good book here, Big Dirty Money, and we'll talk about the fact pretty much that we're not going to see any
shakedown of Donald Trump. Donald Trump is not going to jail. There is no will. Basically, the only person that we are counting on right now is Francis Willis in Georgia, which has nothing to do with Trump's money schemes, has everything to do with his attempt to overthrow our election and pressure the then Secretary of State who is running for re election again, Brad Rathfinsburger, to be able to find him eleven thy seven hundred and some odd votes.
Though here's the thing, though, folks, that I will say, it is really hard to feel yourself losing faith. And you know, I said this in a TikTok that I did earlier in the week, where I said, you know, I used to visit, you know, travel to other countries, and you know, you travel around into lower Wealth of Nations and you know, mostly their governments are pretty shitty, right. They steal from the people, you need to pay off
the cops. Like you know, there's bribery, there's kidnapping. They're fairly dysfunctional and are run like you know, Banana republics in a lot of way. And I would look around and I would see people just going about their days, working in shops, you know, raising kids, and I would say, God, you know, you can have a simpler life in places like you know, Panama and places like Vietnam and places
like Portugal. And then there's this undercurrent of but what does it mean to exist in countries that whose politics are shady? It means that you have to do the most in order to provide for your family because you know that there are no safety nets. That's where we are, and that's where we are. And it's not like we are headed there, like we're in route. Do you know what I'm saying. It's like the kids in the back of the car saying, did we get there yet? Did
we get to authoritarianism yet? Did we get to fascism yet? Oh? No, kids will be there soon, right, Like, That's pretty much what is happening here when you are seeing news reports talk about the fact that a majority of people that are looking to ease the economic despair that they are in by going to food pantries in their neighborhoods, cities
and towns. And these are people who are employed, right, These are people who are actually working, but by virtue of where inflation is taking us, have become part of the working poor, where you're having to make decisions about how much gas you're putting in your car and how many groceries you're going to be able to buy in that same week. This is not in America I have ever understood where the middle clubs now is making those
very clear, painful decisions. But you see, everyone else who is wealthy doesn't actually give a fuck, right because their families will still be able to access abortion they'll still be able to figure out how to, you know, maybe get rid of one of their homes and send their kids to different private schools. We are looking at a version of Eleseum without us even opening up space. Yet the gap, folks between the haves and the have nots
in this country have become so extreme. I mean, I was on the phone with my mother and saying, you know, we've always had the good privilege because you know, by virtue of our work, by virtue of you know, the ability to save and do all of these things. I've never gone into the growth store. And forgive me for sounding very privilege, but I've never gone into the grocery store and looked at the prices of things. I've just picked up what I've wanted, what I have needed, and
then gone about my day. Millions of Americans have never been able to do that, and now millions more are unable to do that. You're listening to news reports where people are talking and saying, yeah, I am now looking at my grocery store. Listen, I'm saying, what is a need on here? And what is a want? What can I buy that will provide multiple meals over the course of a week or two weeks versus before when I
just went and got what the fuck I wanted. Well, the other day, I went to the grocery store to pick up, you know, my staples. One of my staples is always having a good quality parmesan cheese. I know that sounds weird, but that is one of my staples. Well, I go to pick up the parmesan cheese that I've been buying for god only knows how long. Never looked at the price before, but I knew it wasn't this much.
I looked at the goddamn price. Who was twelve dollars and fifty cents for a fucking pint of parmesan cheese? Was it graded by monks in Italy? I had to put the ship back down and then look around for a brand that I had never picked up before because it was half the goddamn price. And I'm like, if somebody like myself, who I don't consider to be in hardship, is making those kinds of decisions and I live alone, then like, what are families of four, five, six doing?
How were they deciding what they're doing? I talked about talked to my mom about the fact that you know, do you remember, Well, she doesn't remember, right, but she's also an immigrant to this country and that old but I said, during World War two, you know, they were rolling out like days like meatless mondays because the price of meat had skyrocketed so much people couldn't afford it, right, Or they're going in with another family to say, Okay,
let's get this and then let's split it up. That's the kind of shit that we're dealing with right now. People saying like, what kind of dish can I make that can feed my family? But I don't need to buy which is now like a sixteen dollar fucking thing a chicken. And then what drives me crazy are people like Donald Trump that don't even pay into the system, people like Elon Musk that don't even pay into the system.
That all of this, all of this doesn't have to be the way if only people who were uber wealthy would actually pay their share. But god forbid, you have politicians on either side of the aisle actually purport to care about that issue, because once again, Democrat or Republican, they only care about the money that is coming from their donors and going into their own pockets. There's a reason why We've never been able to alter the tax code when Democrats are in power because they actually don't
want to. It's just easier to put the blame right on Republicans, But the blame alone does not rest on them. Democrats are benefiting for an unbalanced system because they are fucking wealthy. It's the greed for me, y'all. It's the greed for me. It's the lack of urgency, it is all of the above. And so today I find myself barreling towards the end of this week, ye of little hope, like I'm walking through the desert looking for a fucking oasis and there's not one to be found. I don't
know what this summer is gonna bring. I can tell you it's going to bring uber high fucking COVID numbers, continually high gas prices. They say that, oh, inflation is going to be easy, but isn't because these companies that have now been offsetting their costs to the consumers who are now forced to do that. You think they're going to roll their prices back down the way that we thought the airlines were going to do when they were going to stop charging for fucking overhead compartments extra leg
room or an extra bag. No, they haven't. I think gas prices are all of a sudden going to fall back to where they were pre the war in Ukraine. No, because these companies are well to make money off of catastrophe. When we stop that correlation, maybe then something will change,
But until then probably not. Coming up next, friends, my conversation with our friend Jennifer tub to talk about you know, Trump's legal I want to say woes, but he ain't really woeen not even with the news out of New York that says that the federal judge has released Donald Trump from I guess contempt of court so long as he pays his over one hundred thousand dollars, finds that he is wrapped up thus far, and you know, agrees to testify and be interviewed by the ag Well, Donald
Trump doesn't ever pay his bills. Everybody fucking knows that, including the people that he owes money to and test defy and actually tell the truth. Yeah. I don't see that happening either. So while the reports want to say this looks like a win for Letitia James, I'll wait and see indisputable. With doctor Rashid Ricci is one of the latest shows on the TYT Network and also the
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be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode. Friends, I am so happy to welcome back to will g F Daily our friend, the author of Big Dirty Money, The shocking injustice and unseen cost of white collar crime, our friend Jennifer tub jem My God. It is great to be rich, white and male in America, but really anywhere on this planet. We have brought you on so many times to talk about the mountain of evidence that shows corruption around Donald Trump, the Trump Organization, all of
his accomplices. I mean, there is one breaking news story after another that highlights all of the ways that while Donald Trump was president as a businessman, and I use that in quotations that he has violated so many laws. And yet here we are a year and a half after the insurrection, you know, years after following what we thought was going to be a bombshell investigation by the Manhattan DA that has now come to a halt. What do you think is happening here with our Department of Justice,
the will of district attorneys? Like, what is happening? Well, first of all, it's so good to be back, but I'm really sorry that this is the topic, because you know me, normally, I'm jumping right in there, ready to interrupt. I got a lot to say, and I'm almost speechless. I promised you I won't be speechless. But this is a very, very heavy weight. And you began by talking about those privileges. You know that if you're a white male, wealthy,
well connected, you can almost get away with anything. And I just think, you know, I check a lot of those boxes. I think if I had male privilege, I'd be a fucking nightmare. I mean, the amount of power that a certain kind of status gives you, the amount of access you know it gives you. And I will tell you, you know when I need to, when I'm you know, I think of myself is more of a writer and journalist than I think of myself as a
lawyer or law professor. As I like to say, you know, law is my palette, you know, for talking about policy, for talking about the human condition, for writing narrative, right, And so sometimes when I'm acting like a journalist, you know, you do what you do to get access. And I'll tell you I get a lot of access in the world based on the as privileges um. And I also see as you're observing, how high the bar is to
hold certain people accountable, you know. And when you talk about, you know, someone like Donald Trump, we you know, we've pre set the table of an entire adult life of somebody acting like many of his brethren, kind of doing what they want. You know, laws are for the little people. Now, when Leona Holmes, they said taxes were for the little people. That didn't help her, right, she went to prison, Martha Stewart went to prison. They seem there's something different, is
it the uterus? No? I mean, but you know you and you know there there are so so we set this. We start out with this person being who he is and getting away with it again and again and again, and when it when people with power could hold him accountable, and then they don't, you know, he just gets more emboldened, you know. And so again I'm saying, I'm going to get to the questions that you ask, but let's just remember, you know, I was really glad. I'm sure you were
that twice the House impeached Trump when necessary. But when when you look at those acquittals in the Senate, I can't even I think it was was it after the first impeachment not the second one? I can't remember when when Susan Collins said, oh, I think he's learned his lessons, learned the lessons. Direction, yes, he did, but see here the thing is, she is correct. He learned the lesson of what are they going to do about it? Right, the lesson of what's the penalty and who's going to
enforce it? And so let me bring us to today, and again your main question is will anyone hold these people accountable? What's happening at the Department of Justice, excent. I'm going to get to what's happening, but you know, in the news there was yet another former public official who decided to cash in on their access after they left office. You know, do you feel nauseous as I'm saying, I can't even get that. It's because I have screamed
about this on television recently. I am so sick and tired of these people, Mark esper Yes being the latest to be able to sell what they knew. Right. He calls his book this sacred Oath. Jen, It's called the Sacred Oath, And I'm like, you took an oath to capitalism, not interest in this country and I and so here's the deal. I understand while he was in office, if he was trying to you know, there's a moment when he was in office, and that ended in December, right
of twenty twenty twenty three. That was the moment to speak out right, I get that when you're in office and you're trying to hold down the ford, if we want to believe that. But you know, that was a long time ago. That was over a year ago. And yes, I understand that you get a bigger book advance if
you keep your secrets. You know, I write books. I understand that, you know, but you know, selling your soul really, you know, and you shouldn't be using you know, access it's that you know, to to do this, So you should have spoken out earlier. But let's get to what the thing that One of the things that struck me. I think it was he who when you know one of the book excerpts that's been written about that at
one point I get which I forget which protests. It could have been when Trump was on the campaign trail, or it might have been the stuff happening, um, you know, during the the the protests around the Capitol building. I can't remember which one, but his suggestion was, well, let's just shoot them in the legs. Yeah, I mean, I'm watching your face. And to me he said to him, we can't that. You can't do that or or or such a or whatever it was. Someone said, you can't
do that. That That would be a war. Climer, you can't do that. That would be illegal, And he said, who's gonna prosecute Who's Which is the same thing that Don Trump Junior said when he said we own all the paths to power when he was not avenues to keep his father in the White House regardless of what the voters had said, and they were entirely right about who, but they still they still didn't they still didn't count on Mike Pence not buckling, but they haven't given up.
I mean, we think you know, I'm sure you're I haven't talked to you or watch your podcast in a while because I've been running around, but I imagine based on your Twitter feed and knowing you that you get the insurrection is ongoing. Yes, I mean, I've said I have, I'm in the and this is the only thing really
that I agree with Bill maher On. But when he said, you know, last year, six months after the insurrection and nothing had happened, He's like, this is a slow moving coup, and let's be honest, it's not that slow moving, right like it it's actually accelerating because there has not been a point of accountability other than the foot soldiers that
were actually on the ground. And then you know, you have the one head of the oath keepers who wasn't there physically present at the Capitol building, but it's now been indicted. But when we're at a year and a half mark and the architects of said indictment has nothing
has happened. You have Jenny Thomas, who is the friggin' wife of a sitting Supreme Court justice who was on the phone with the Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, to say we got to do something here, and essentially being one of the voices that are that are echoing the term martial law, like again, what do we think? Where do we think this is going? So here's a deal, and I'm going to get to the institutions of justice
for a moment. But at this point I'm going to say something almost machiavellian, which is, it doesn't even matter. I'm now looking at lad I'm sorry it matters. I'm sorry it matters. But let me just let me speak theoretically, which is, look at Vladimir Putin and his big life. Right, he's telling a story of his perspective about empire, and he will lie to make the people in Russia feel
more comfortable, claiming he's denazifying Ukraine. The reality is he is invaded a sovereign nation to try to take it over. His story of history is well, we should never have lost it, but you know, Soviet Union did break up. That really happened, and the world came to a conclusion. Similarly, I mean Trump's going to keep doing what he does, even if he is indicted by Fulton County, even if he is indicted by US Department of Justice, it won't
matter because he I mean, it matters. But the reality is we have a bigger propaganda problem among his disciples and his wannabes. Ted Cruz, who is a monster in every way and a liar by the way, he's always saying that he got the highest grade from his constitutional law professor Larry Tribe, Ted Whiz, I think a year behind me or two years behind me in law school.
I don't think that's actually true. He might want to show the ince of that he's an idiot, but I okay, But what he just said the other day, you know, people are peacefully holding vigils outside of Supreme Court justices houses, you know, First Amendment whatever. I don't have an opinion one way or another. I'm not going to tell people to do or not do what they want to do.
He actually said that they were being violent and compared it to the protests on January sixth and the insurrection and the breaking of windows and the beating of police officers, and said it was worse. Right, So we have a society where we have people in the mainstream Republican Party perpetuating the Big Lion propaganda and and supporting marital rape and rape of children and incest and forced birth and all this stuff. So I don't even when you say
to me, will anyone hold Trump accountable? I'm kind of like that horse has left the bar. I mean, I you know that is my You know, I care about the enforcement of white collar criminal law. I care about what's going on in the Justice Department. I do think, you know, it's going to really hinge on the testimony of people around him. But you know, the problem is he's like a mob boss. He does an email, he doesn't text, and he will deny, deny, deny, and he's
smart enough. Trump is to tell people this should happen, and I want that to happen, but never actually saying I need you to do this. And if he only puts people around him who he can later say our suspect. He hires a lot of criminals and thugs and people who have gone along with him for years, he'll just claim that they are lying. I mean, he threw Michael Cohen under the bus or Michael jumped under the bus,
or whatever it is. And now you know, the argument is one, let's go back to the prosecutions the Manhattan DA Supposedly he doesn't think he has a case because he doesn't think Michael Cohone will make a good witness. I think Michael Cohoon will make an excellent witness. Prosecutors know, they say, Look, I mean Michael Cohone would readily admit that he was with this guy for years. He paid off Stormy Daniels, There's a lot he did that was wrong.
But Donald Trump would only surround himself by birds of a feather. I think he could be a good witness. I think this history will tell that someone got to this guy. I could be wrong. I don't want to defame anyone, but there is a long history of these Manhattan DA's who they have stuck on. And I'm not saying there is anything I'm this guy, but there's a hist Oh no, I have said it. You don't have to say it. I have said it because I have
said multiple times. You know, if the laws that we have right are cracked in such a way that we know that Donald Trump is doing things that are illegal, but oh but we can't seem to get him, then they something wrong with the loss. So that's that's number one.
Number two. Number two is that, you know, as it pertains to the Manhattan as it pertains to Alvin Bragg, your predecessor called for a special grand jury because the mountains of evidence were that were thus that you the people needed more time to be able to go through all of the evidence that was present. So when you come in and then you whether you tell them directly, whether you suggest that this case is going to be dead in the water, and your two highest pro prosecutors
decide to quit, I say, follow the money. This is not that hard to do. Follow as figure out who Alvin Bragg's donors were. Right like this, this is not rocket science, but no one has done it. There's also though, remember with Schneiderman, the stuff when he was in the Trump University case, which ends up being just a settlement. There's all I wrote about in my book. But you know Trump had information about Schneiderman. You know, Yes, why do we think that Schneiderman is gone? Like these things
did not These things have not happened by accident. The things that all of a sudden came to the public's understanding about these people who all had ties into prosecuting Donald Trump and these men. I'm not saying that these men are should still be in office, or like what their behavior was that they were caught in should be excused. But why the hell do we think that at a particular point you find out all this shit about Eric Sneiderman. Why do you think that at a particular point you
find out all these things about Cuomo? It's not accident, right, And the same thing with um, oh god, what was his name? Elliott Spitzer? But how are Madison? So let's just use Madison clauthor an example. What this OPA wasn't here before exactly going to Hitler's like retreat. Uh, that's fine, idiot, that's cool. All this ship being a misogynist, being an alleged sexual harasser, We're good with the minute they don't want him around because I think he's a liability. All
of a sudden the APPO comes out. Who I mean, I got a long list, maybe some shot because there's some people who press the button, they will come there and say the most outrageous things in support of whomever. You know. So it's really what I want to know is why don't the Democrats have this OPA on people? Girl? Or is there a little bit of a like we don't let me ask you this question. Is it kind of like we don't go to the justice's houses and we don't we don't give anyone else's APPA on the
other side because there'd be an APPA war. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. This whole desire that I feel that Democrats have in order to take the fucking high road, right, like always wanting to take the high road. Oh, this is not who we are.
This is exactly how you lose a war, right, war is not clean and I and the problem here is that Democrats don't realize that Republicans have been waging war on them for the last five decades, right, And so you we as the establishment Democrats have continued to believe that if we are nice enough, if we follow the rule of law, then we're going to show the American people blah blah blah blah blah. And what I'm saying
is these people have taken the gloves off. They are coming for your jugular and you're gonna have information and think that you're not going to use it, right because what But I just want to say, let me just like a nuance this can I use nuance as a verb I'm a new one. Yes, okay, well Finesse I like nuance better. So here's a deal. I'm from the Midwest. I can be nice while I stabbed someone in the back. Like,
there's no reason why you cannot be polite. No, I'm kidding. No, what I'm saying is like, because Democrats, somehow I think you can't use these tools. Well I'm saying is you can be polite in person and just say look, you know, I see you sitting across from me. We've worked together before. But the reality is your policies are killing people and I'm going to use every tool I can to stop you. And that's that's polite, that's politics. I didn't McConnell like,
where is our ruthless Connel? I don't see you know, And okay, I want to I want to dial back to talk about the cases. So last night, when I was having insomnia and I saw that young Thug was indicted or arrested out of Bolton County, first I said, who's young Thug? Because I'm not. And then I'm like, because I know Ari Melbourne, and I'm like, wow, he has like millions of followers. He must be a big deal.
And then I saw because I like to research these things, that he collaborated or help write the song that won the Grammy called you know what, I mean, what was his fault? Young? What's his name? Song? I'm not gonna okay, I'm not going to talk about the music. But this guy's arrested with a bunch of other people were indicted for these racketeering charges out of the same office that is investigating Donald Trump and has a grand jury. I think she's gonna Endice. I mean, how can you? Francis
Willis is the only hope that we have. She's the only hope we have. That's it. And you know, and and and the reality is that between her and Tish James, whose case is not criminal in nature but is civil, it is going to be between the two of them because all of the men that have been in charge of the of these cases are have failed and or are currently failing. And I when I say currently failing,
I'm particularly talking about Merrick Garland. Right, So, there is only so much time that people have to wait to see that the rules do not apply. If you are rich and white and well connected, they do not apply to you. Right, They get to create the rules, they get to evade the rules, and then they get to they get to persecute under other people to the fullest extent of the law, under the rules that they have created that are for everyone else but not for them.
And the longer that we like to me, the longer that we go through these stages of how we unravel our faith and integrity in these systems, the more and more we're going to move into a place of violence and lawlessness in this country. I am so glad you said all of that. And there are people who will say to you or me or anyone on Twitter, don't be so impatient. Look at all these and let me read this like footnote in here. You know what I'm talking about. Oh, look at this, all these people, they're
rolling people up and listen. I would have more faith in the investigation of Donald Trump around both the insurrection and the plot before that. I would have more faith in the Department of Justices efforts there had I seen any one single charge against Trump based on the Molo report, had I seen the Department of Justice really live up to its promises on white color crime and really great speeches when in fact and in contrast, if you look at the speeches about seizing yachts. We have seized two
Russian's yachts right with civil forfeitsure. And you hear the bull ass speeches about like doesn't matter where you go, we will get you. I'm like, what about if you're an American man though, instead of a Russian oil gard What if you're an American kleptocrat. I know we've got the Klepto Capture task Force, how about the Klepto Trumpo task Force? And I know they're focused, and I know this is hard, but it's taking too long. And by the way, I just want to say one thing. Brag
out of the Manhattan Day's Office. When it was the first charges under sivance against Donald Trump's organization and against Weisslberg. I'm sure you remember the reference to the fact that this was also federal tax fraud. I cage federal tax fraud. People have been indicted in convictions upheld on less than what was there? Where the hell is a DOJ on those charges? Your guess is as good as mine, Jennifer,
your guests is as good as mine. I gotta tell you, I appreciate you so much for making the time to join us on. Okay, and you have to come back because until because I believe again that Francis Willis is going to be the only person to have enough goal, have enough strength to indict Donald Trump, and I believe that we're going to have to protect her at all costs. So doing that now. Yeah, by the way, will you
promise to have me back? Will you text me? Oh my god, listen, send me a message any hour, any day when the indictment comes down, because I will get off the phone with you and shout and scream. I will appreciate you, friend, thank you for all you are doing and continue to do, and we will definitely have you back soon. Thank you for everything you're doing. Hey there, I want to tell you about another podcast I think
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