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Oklahoma has now banned abortion beginning at fertilization. This is now the nation's strictest abortion law, and the governor is going to sign it imediately. I want you to listen to this from the New York Times. This bill subjects abortion providers and anyone who aids or bets an abortion to civil suits from private individuals. It would take effect immediately if signed by Governor Kevin Stitt, a Republican who has pledged to make his state the most anti abortion

state in the nation. There can be no higher or more critical than the defense of innocent unborn life, says State Representative Jim Olsen, a Republican in the Oklahoma House. I want to say this. I'm so fucking sick and tired of white men. I'm gonna say it. I am so fucking sick and tired of conservative white men and fucking moderate white men being the ones that get to dictate the bodily automy the fucking movements of everybody else in this goddamn country. I don't give a fuck about

your religious proclivities. I don't care what kind of sex you want to have or not. You should not have the ability to determine someone else's life outcomes that don't fucking affect you. And what's amazing at this time that all of these anti abortion pieces of legislation are passing across the country is that we have a baby formula shortage that everyone has been talking about, that the news

has been covering over and over again. But you know what they're not doing making the connection between the fact that Republicans actually don't give a fuck about babies. What they care about is control, because if they gave a shit about babies, and one hundred and ninety two members of the House republic Party would not have voted against providing emergency resources to mothers who are trying desperately to feed their goddamned children. This is about control. This is

not about anybody's sanctity of life. Because if it was about the sanctity of life, then you would have health education in schools, right, that is comprehensive. You would fund health clinics across the country to make sure that people have access to the type of life saving screening and reproductive care that allows them to actually have healthy babies.

You would support government agencies and systems that our tax dollars fucking pay into, that you send across the fucking world for war and death, but do nothing here to preserve anyone sanctity of life that arrives outside of a fucking uterus. I am so sick to death of Democrats and their whining, their wimpiness with regard to what they can't do because they don't have sixty votes. Figure out your maneuvers, figure out the law you've had fifty years.

But now everybody wants to walk around in the Democratic Party as if they're completely and totally fucking dumbstruck, like they are caught off guard and just outdone. Oh my god, I cannot believe Republicans did and are activating everything that they've been telling us that they were going to do

and activate for the last fifty years. You will listen to my guests today, Andrea Miller, who is the executive director of the National Council for Reproductive Health that works at the state and local level to ensure that women and people with uteruses are able to receive the type of care that they need. She'll talk about the fact that thirteen hundred laws have been passed to a restrict abortion since Roe v. Wade was passed, many of them

being signed on happily by Democrats. We have a president of the United States that wasn't even able until recently to even utter the word abortion, folks. Jeet Yellen recently was in a hearing before Congress. She was in a hearing that was about inflation, and she made the not two right difficult to understand connection between our economic stability in our country and the and the ability of women

to have an abortion. She said that our the health and well being in our ability to compete on a global level will be significantly impeded if women are removed

from the workforce. But you see, we know that Republicans want to remove women from the workforce, and how do we know that, Oh I don't know, because the Tucker Carlson's of the world have talked about how you know, feminism has gotten in the way of men being able to be men, Because apparently a man, a white man in particular, can only be a man if he is subjugating women. Apparently a man can only be a man so long as he has somebody in his life to

impose his fucking will on. That doesn't sound like a man to me, that sounds like a fucking punk. And frankly, I am again exhausted by Democrats and their inability to just tell the fucking truth with passion and conviction. Stop shaking and wagging your finger at people that are shameless, start rolling out court cases, start using your goddamn subpoena power.

Maybe switch out your fucking whimp ass Attorney general, head of the fucking Department of Justice, and get somebody in there that actually has some skin in the goddamn game and doesn't think that we have all the time in the world to deal with our crumbling, rapidly crumbling democracy. I don't get why people that are in power right now do not have the same level of anger and rage that I do because they have the power to

actually do something about it. All I can do with the platform that I have, it's to be able to raise awareness to people who are not in the know. But I do not have the power to sign legislation to whip votes, to whisper into the ear of the president that I don't know what the fuck you are paying attention to, but you all want to keep running up the fucking money to Ukraine. Meanwhile, people are literally

starving in this country. People are literally needing to get second jobs to be able to afford to put gas in their goddamn tanks, and are having to rely on food banks in their communities so that they can balance the rising costs of everything. But the Senate has no problem sending money for war that they pass without even

having any type of debate on it. But if that same money we were to ask for that for support of the American people, all American families, then my god, we have to open up debate for two weeks, and even that not a fucking thing will happen. The ways in which we are expecting Americans to adapt to our shrinking democracy is astounding. It is astounding. It is astounding to me that gas is higher today than it was on Monday. It is astounding to me that in the

quote unquote wealthiest nation, we can't produce baby formula. It is astounding to me that, oh, gas is so expensive. The price of oil is so expensive that every issue, every problem that happens for industries and companies must then be rolled over onto consumers. Meanwhile, the shareholders and CEOs of said oil companies are bringing home tens of fucking

millions of dollars a fucking year. Oh now, it's the price of d is going to be skyrocketing, and our inability to be able to produce diesel, Oh, guess what runs on diesel, dear friends, airplanes, trains, So guess what is going to happen once again? That cost is going to roll down and fall on the heads of the consumers. And all the administration is going to do is wag their finger and say, you know, oil CEO should do better, but you don't actually create policies to demand that they

do and then hold them accountable when they don't. I am sick to fucking death of this place. And you know, it is becoming so evident with each and every interview that I do with lawyers, with abortion providers, with activists, with academics, with authors, that there is no turning this ship around. So what does that mean for those of

us who have means? Does that mean that now is the time to get the fuck out of this country because otherwise we're all just rearranging the chairs on the Titanic and just going down with the ship while Democrats scream as it's sinking that like here you go, Republicans will get you next election as they're fucking sinking, like

what are we all waiting around here? Four exactly? Just a full on shootouts on the street, The fact that we'll have buffalo massacres every week every day, that our incarceol system is going to get ready to have a new track of women of color and poor women that they are going to run through the system so that the women inmates that number will skyrocket for no other reason than the fact that they were trying to have autonomy over their own bodies but have now become criminals

who are aiding and abetting. The real fucking criminals in this country is the Republican Party, And the actual real fucking crime is Democrats inability to hold them accountable for a fucking thing, whether it is a goddamn insurrection, whether it is abortion laws, whether it is voting laws. I cannot continue to sit around and just point one finger squarely at Republicans who have told us from the beginning who they are and what they care about, and who

they don't. I ask every day, I'm like, what is Jamie Harrison doing at the DNC, What is Nancy Pelosi doing as the head of the House, What is Chuck Schumer doing as the head of the Senate? What are these people doing? They're sitting around and they're giving interviews, and they are offering no solutions whatsoever, no strategies, just a bunch of what a bunch of votes on the

floor that don't actually mean anything. Our lives are changing minute by minute by many and not for the fucking better, and they're just going around as if it's business as usual. I just I don't understand. And when I hear, if I hear one more person talk to me about how abortion and the loss of it is going to be the galvanizing force for white women, like it's not. They don't give a fuck. They will find a way to get an abortion. They will go across states because they

have the economic resources to do so. They've never voted in line with the Democratic Party because they vote with their fucking husbands. So tell me who this is going to galvanize, because black and brown people have already been galvanized, because we're the ones who exist with the target on our backs every single goddamn day, because we know that. Ain't nobody come into fucking save us. So again, who is this galvanizing? We are on a sinking ship this country.

Our democracy is fucking done. It is not about Oh maybe it's not. We haven't entered our dystopian future yet. I'm like, look around. I just put in an order. Let me tell you this, an order of things that I order every three months from Amazon. Basic things, paper towels, toilet paper, que tips, right, all of those basic fucking staples. The price tag was about eighty dollars more then it has cost the less several months eighty dollars more. Now

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streaming on YouTube and twitch. Folks, I, you know, all I can say is that this has been a fucking week and I need to do some real meditation, prayer, planting, connection with friends and the universe, and staging some shit out because every day I am feeling worse and that is not good for my mental health. It is not good for anybody's mental health, because I just don't I don't see how we fight this. I really don't, and particularly with a party that has absolutely no fight within it.

I'm just like they are literally hanging the rest of us out to dry and just going to say sorry. Coming up next, my conversation with the executive director of the National Institute for Reproductive Health, Andrea Miller. Folks, I

am very excited to welcome back. It's been a few years, but to welcome back to woke a f daily Andrea Miller, who is the executive director at NIRG, the National Institute for Reproductive Health, which is the leading organization focused on advancing protecting the needs of those that have uterus is at the state and local level. Andrea I can't imagine that you were sleeping. I can't imagine that anyone on

your staff is sleeping. You have been the head of this organization since two thousand and eleven, and I want you to be able to tell us one your reaction to the leaked decision, and then two how you were looking at this landscape differently than you did eleven years ago when you took the home. Well, it's great to be back, and thank you for having me. It is a hard time to sleep these days, there's no question about that. I mean, look the Supreme Court draft opinion

that was leaked. I will say, of course I kept saying I was, you know, using a lot of f words that were keeping me going, but they were really that I was furious and fired up because the reality is I'm furious because of course we knew this was coming. We have been saying that this is what is likely

to happen. We saw the Supreme Court get packed by Trump with people part of their purpose in life has been to get to this place and do this terrible, dreadful thing that they are about to do in overturning roversus Wade so not surprising but infuriating because it is so contrary to the direction this country should be going in. It's so contrary to the needs and the values and the views of the majority in this country, and it will be so harmful and so devastating for so many people.

Because we really are probably looking at, perhaps on day one, you know, at least thirteen states with trigger laws that say that they will ban abortion as soon as there is no roversus wade, and those are criminal abortion bands that punish people who provide care will probably be used

to punish people who try to get care. So it's you know, and then you've got another dozen states or so that are ready to use their existing bands that are enjoined right now because of row or pre O bands to try to do the same, and so it's infuriating, but it's also really like, Okay, this is the time, folks.

We know this is happening, and we've seen so much response, so much outpouring, and you know, we work, as you mentioned, Danielle, we work at the state and local level all across the country, and that means that we're in about half the states every year. And I can tell you that the number of requests from our partners, both current groups that we're working with on the ground in the states, and folks we've worked with in the past, and folks we've never worked with, who are like, what can my

state do? What can my city do? What can I do? And so I'm really fired up by that because I think it means that we have real momentum going into the elections this fall, and real momentum in getting creative and really digging in and making sure that people who have unses can get pregnant and need abortion care are able to get it in whatever form we can get at it for them. You know, let me asked about the trajectory. Yeah, yeah, I wanted to tell me about

the trajectory. Yeah. Gods. So that's the interesting thing about the trajectory is that certainly when I took the helm here in twenty eleven, we had just had the twenty ten Tea Party sweep, and so we were seeing the wave of the beginnings of the real wave of extreme restrictions on abortion care. But you know, it's important to remember that since Rowe there have been thirteen hundred laws against abortion passed at the state level. So there have been waves and waves and waves of these kinds of

restrictive laws. But in the last you know, three to five years, in particularly the last three years, I think very much emboldened by Trump, the increase in the bands and the willingness to figure out all kinds of really heinous but innovative ways to try to work around the lawsuits that have been successful in preventing the bands. We've

seen really that like intensity factor ratchet up significantly. And I do believe that that is because of Trump's time in the White House, because of the willingness to be so stigmatizing, so harsh and horrible about people who need to exercise their right to make decisions about their sexual and reproductive lives. And that tenure, that tenor really has infected what's happened in the States, And so I think

we've seen an increased ugliness to it. But I've always believed, and I've always known, and our strategy has always been, we've got to do the work at the state and local level. Even if all you care about is Congress, in the Supreme Court and the Presidency, you've got to care about the states. That's where it all happened. You know.

The thing that I never understand andreat I and I am kind of like dumbfounded by is We've had an opposition to abortion and repro rights for fifty years, like you have said, since Roe was passed in nineteen seventy four, there have been thirteen hundred policies, pieces of legislation that have been passed to chop away, not chip away, but to chop away at the rights that Rovi, Wade and

Casey provided to people in this country. And so I am confused then about why there has been no coordinated strategy around how we were going to push back, Like why do why do democrats I guess right now to me seemed so surprised, like why like why do people seem like they were caught off guard for something that has been argued and worked away at for the last fifty years. Well, it's a great question, Daniel, and I

think there are a few reasons. First, I think that it is very hard for people to believe that something so fundamental, something that is so shaped the lives and futures of anyone who can get pregnant, women, transgender, gender nonconforming folks, anyone who has a uterus, anyone has a womb and changed our society. And so the idea that we could be at a place where this could be eliminated.

We've got four generations of people who have come of age with the knowledge that they have at least some modicum. I mean, certainly it differs by race and by geography. It differs. We know that the restrictive laws have taken their greatest toll on black, Indigenous, Latin X other people of color, and young people and people in rural communities, so certain and people who are struggling to make ends meet.

So we know that there have been people who have been denied access already because of all of these restrictions. But the idea that it could be literally banned and just gone in nearly half the States is shocking. I mean, it is hard to fathom that we could be at this place because it is so retrograde, and it is so contrary to what people really believe and need and

have ordered their lives around. So I think it's partly the like it's hard to believe it until you see it in stark, black and white, like we did with the words on the page from Justice Alito. So I think that's one reason. But I will also say that, honestly, I think that while our opposition was very clear and very dedicated to take over a particular party, they took over the GOP. They made this a centerpiece of their

of their base, they made the driving force. Frankly, I mean, you and I could spend weeks talking about how that was the latest manifestation of the ways and which racism and anti blackness and white supremacy have infused the anti abortion movement. Because the reality is they were losing on civil rights. They needed to pull the Dixiecrats. They wanted to pull Democrats from the from the Democratic Party in the South. So they were losing. They were losing the

segregation battle, so they turned to the abortion battle. Um, you know, but look, opposition to abortion goes back to the mid eighteen hundreds when white gynecologists wanted to experiment on black bodies. So it's you know, it is part and parcel of that. So I think the challenge is you have this dedication to this singular drive, and the Democrats were squishy on this, were nervous about it, kept saying it was a loser when we knew it wasn't a loser, and just you know, hemmed and hard and

big tent in our way, you know, blundering along. And that's why, you know, unfortunately, there wasn't we didn't have equivalency. We didn't have enough power politically willingness for the political power of the Democratic Party to be brought to bear on this. It was more like, we want, we want to have all comers. Well, the truth is this is now, unfortunately a purely partisan issue. It didn't start this way, but they have made it that way. Our opposition is

made clear, it's a partisan issue. They have made it clear that you cannot be a Republican and be supportive of reproductive freedom. And so you know, we're kind of playing catch up in that in that regard. And I think it's unfortunate because I think that unwillingness to even

say the word abortion. I mean, we finally had the President say the word abortion, but not very many times, adds to the stigma and adds to the sense that like, this isn't something that should be should be recognized as the core element to our freedom and liberation that it is.

You know, one of the things that you said at the beginning was that you think, and I've heard this before, that folks believe that this will abortion now and the loss of it in June when the decision is final, When we see a final decision, that will be a galvanizing force. My pushback to that for midterms is that black and brown and bipoc people have consistently showed up

in the numbers, historic numbers that are necessary. So and if that has always happened and has always been the way, who do we think that this is actually going to be galvanizing? Is it going to be galvanizing the fifty three percent of white women that voted for Donald Trump that then turned out in record numbers again to vote

for him in twenty twenty. I'm just I guess I'm trying to understand who we think that this is galvanizing because black and brown people have known what it has already been like to live in a state, in a place where row it has not been the law of

the land for many years, let alone the last fifty. No, You're absolutely right, Danielle, and I think Look, black and brown folks have been showing up, have been voting consistent, have been clear about the importance of these issues, and have been on the front lines of this even when so many in their communities haven't been able to access care and across the board, you know, I mean, all you have to do is look at the black maternal mortality rate and infant mortality rate, and you know, the

lack of access to abortion care, the High Amendment and its denial of the ability of people who are eligible on Medicaid or or have get their health services from Indian Health Services. I mean, it is you know, the

list goes on and on. So you're absolutely right. Yeah, I think that the reality is My hope is that this will be part of that like reality check, that wake up call to say, you know what, you've got to start crossing party lines because those Republican white men are not your friends, and you need to stop supporting them.

You need to stop, you know, propping them up and thinking that you can throw your lot in with them and that's going to be good for you, because it's not good for you and it's not good for the country, and you've got to figure out who you should really

be in solidarity with. So I'm hopeful we'll see some people cross party lines, and predominantly, you know, whether we like it or not, we need some of those folks in the suburbs to turn out and turn out in droves, because that's where some of these key districts are going to be in when some of those swing districts are So my hope is that it will be a wake up call for some folks who have not voted on this, and I think it may be a wake up call

for some folks who white folks who haven't necessarily been voting but are like, oh, this maybe maybe matters. You know.

What do you think, you know in terms of how like you mentioned, and I've said this on wokef many times about this president not uttering the word abortion, about Democrats in general being as you said, squishy on the issue, hiding behind you know, moderate Democrats and basically voting like Republicans on abortion, on reproductive health issues, and they've been allowed to do so we are here, I find myself at this moment not just because of Republicans being relentless

in their pursuit to repeal Roe v. Wade, but in Democrats being apathetic to the fact that it was coming because they've allowed all of these measures to be chipped away at for the last fifty years. So what do you think needs to happen in terms of the pivot with the Democratic Party as a whole and our leaders in the way that they are talking about this issue. Because if it is to be a galvanizing force, then

what does that actually look like. That's such a great question. Look, I think that the way that we've really been let down on this is not only they won't talk about it, but when they do, it's in isolation. It's with euphemisms,

it's like segmented out from other things. I mean, I think what we need now is a full throated, aggressive articulation of the fact that this is part of a wider agenda that if you believe in economic security, if you believe in maternal health and wellbeing, if you believe in family stability, if you believe in wanting to see our future look better than it is today, then this is one of those core value issues. It isn't about

abortion per se. It's about who do you think should have power and control over the fundamental decisions that so shape our lives, that will so influence our communities, that will so shape you know, our economic futures. I mean, Janet Yellen was just talking about the you know, incredible reduction of our GDP that could happen because of all

of these abortion bands. I mean, if you care about our economic future, our community safety, you know, our families being able to make ends meet, if you care about the health and well being of anyone with a uterus, then it's got to be a part of that. It can't be like, oh, there's this thing over here called abortion that now it's now, it's going to be and that's bad and we're not happy about that, and you should go out and vote about that. It needs to be.

This is about the values that we hold and the belief that fundamental to your freedom in this country and your ability to shape your future is being able to decide whether, when and with whom to have a child. And you take that away and everything suffers, and everyone suffers. It isn't just people who need abortions, although as my dear ally and friend, Renee Bracy Sherman reminds us all that everyone loves someone who's had an abortion, whether they

realize it or not, but it is everyone. You know, everyone is going to be impacted, whether you're in a state that bans it or in a state that is like New York State, California, Illinois, Massachusetts where we're working to expand access and build out the infrastructure. It's going to impact that. It's going to mean the carceral system is going to have this whole new avenue that it's

already playing with in really terrible ways. It's already experimenting with how to go after people who have miscarriages, who have you been able to use medication abortion or otherwise terminate their pregnancies on their own trusts in their communities rather than you know, they have already shown us that they want that pathway that's going to affect everyone, you know, So I think it has to be really an embrace of what are we for, what do we believe in?

And how clearly this demonstrates the hypocrisy and just the mean spiritedness, the lack of compassion of those in the GOP who are driving this agenda because they do not

care about the health and wellbeing of families. And you know, I mean there's so many great talking They voted again to baby formula today they WoT exactly so, these are people who are about forced birth, and I believe it was a h In ninety two Republicans in the House voted against that's right, How the defensive Production Act to support people who are trying to feed their babies exactly.

I mean, there are so many examples. Mississippi, which is the state at the heart of the current case before the Supreme Court, is one of the few states that refuses the federal government's incredible offer to extend Medicaid postpartum from the minimal sixty days to twelve months. Because we all know lots of issues, health issues for you know, parents and for infants happen after sixty days, right and if you care again. But but they don't want to

do that. They don't want to support childcare, they don't want to support expanding access to healthcare. They you know, the same states that are banning abortion of course, we know are the same states trying to suppress voting. They're the same states that are attacking you know, trans children.

I mean, the list goes on and on. So to me, it needs to be a real full throated like this is just if you want to make it about this as a sort of singular entree point, say, this is just the latest piece of powerful evidence that shows just how out of not only out of touch, but how uncaring unfeeling and with no compassion. They want to set us on a course that will be economically, socially, culturally, public health devastation for everybody. And that is not that

should not be our future. We can do better than that. You know, last thing that I will ask Andrea is you know you have been doing again this work for the last eleven years and pay honestly, I've been doing I was going to say, you've been doing it for the last eleven years at at Irah, But in your life, this is your work. What are you where? Where are you most fearful right now? Like what you know? And where are you most fearful? And where do you see

some if any opportunity at this moment? So where most fearful honestly is that it's just where people are going

to be so harmed. I mean, I'm just so afraid of how much just trauma and drama and harm is going to come from this, whether people are eight who are in states where it's going to be banned, are able to access abortion care or not, just what they're going to have to go through to do it, and what they're going to have to sacrifice and what they're the hoops, they're gonna have the hurdles they're going to

have to jump over. You know, I fear for the impact on maternal and infant health and wellbeing and mortality and morbidity. I think that my hope is that we won't see scores and scores and scores of women dying from unsafe abortion like we saw before ROW, because thank fully we have medication abortion now. But but will people be able to avail themselves of it? And if they do, will they be able to avoid being prosecuted for it?

So what I fear is just the level of harm that's going to be done to so many people, And of course we know it will be disproportionate harm on black, Indigenous, latinex Asian, American Pacific islanders, you know, people who people of communities of color, people struggling to make ends meet. I that just breaks my heart. That really breaks my heart. The flip side as you ask what gives me hope?

What keeps me going? I mean, I am seeing and our team is hearing from so many quarters, people who are turning out in droves saying how can I help? What can I do? And that includes elected officials and states. I mean, I've been blown away by how quickly. I mean, a lot of things were in the works for you know, months, if not years, to try to get to the point where we could get states to not only you know,

enshrine protections in their state law. Let's remember, before Row, we only had four states really two on the mainland that had legalized their abortion laws. We now have seventeen, plus the District of Columbia, and there are more who are looking to do it, and they are going beyond that. They are funding services at you know, exponentially, they are covering abortion care for those who can't pay for it.

They are you know, funding practical supports. They're looking at how to create greater safety measures so that people seeking care and people providing it can do so in a safer, safer environment. So I'm seeing that all across the country, and we're hearing frankly from We're hearing from people, you know, city councils and mayors and people working with them in

red states and blue states and purple states. I mean, there's things that can be done at the local level even if a state is really challenging, and we're seeing that kind of innovation, just like ramp up, and similarly, we're seeing states step up, and I think we're going to keep seeing that, and I think the more people realize, you know, obviously I wish that we weren't in this place, but I am heartened to see that elected officials are

stepping up, that we're seeing people just in the community stepping up. And there's so much people can do. There really is. There's there's something everyone can do, and I'm hopeful that people are really looking to do those things. Andrea Miller, thank you so much for making the time to join willke F. I know that we will speak to you many times over in the months to follow as we lead into midterms. So I appreciate you and the work of ni RH and hope to talk to

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