The Man Behind the Curtain

I am really excited for you all to hear the voice and see the face of my producer Andrew Marcello, who has been the producer for woke F for the last five years and is the reason why the show is as great as it is, and so on today's episode, for our Pride Month special, we get into a conversation about what young queer people are thinking with regard to their feelings around Pride, but also for Andrew, you know how his identity has shaped his political views and narrative,

and thinking about what the pushback and violent pushback at that that the LGBTQ community is experiencing at this time, what this means for the future. So we're going to get into this conversation and so much more today on woke F. I will give you my thoughts on the hearing, which has as of the taping of this has not yet happened, so I will be doing that later in the week. But coming up next my conversation with woke

F producer Andrew Marcello. Folks, I am very excited about today's episode because we're actually peeling back the woke F curtain and having a conversation with Andrew Marcello, my producer who's been the producer of woke F my god for I don't actually know how long Andrew, how long it has been. It's been legitimately it's almost five years. Legitimately five years. And Andrew is the person that has makes this show magic, makes it sound good, makes it brings

in the guests that you all enjoy. And so during this Pride we decided to have a conversation that we probably have over text a million times and actually take the text conversation to the podcast. So, Andrew, we'll start out the way that we have with the last several guests that we've had on this show. Our theme this month has been Pride as a Riot. What does pride mean to you? What does that theme mean to you? That's actually a great question. Now I understand why people

say that so often. Let me answer you, but yeah, it's what does pride mean to me? I think? So you you started off mentioning my identity, and I am pansexual, and I realized that I was pansexual I think when I was eighteen, But pride actually wasn't really something that I thought about until my adult life after I graduated college.

A few years after I graduated college, actually probably around twenty sixteen or twenty seventeen, when I moved to New York from living in New Jersey and sort of living in the same environment that I had lived in before going to college. I think part of that is that

my immediate family didn't necessarily recognize my sexuality. They were kind of just like in denial about it, and rather than like push back against that harder and have that make me feel like, oh, I'm going to be really loud about it, I was just like, Okay, you know, you'll you'll deny me, and I'll find like other outlets

and other ways to express this. But once I moved to New York, and once I was in a partnership and environment where I felt more like I could, you know, be outwardly myself pride to some extent, At the beginning, I was almost envious of people who, to me as an outside observer, they had already gotten to where I wanted to be, Like I saw not just like the

NYC Pride Parade, but the Unicorn Parade in Brooklyn. Like that was something that I looked at as like, Wow, that's incredible that like these people can go out there and just like be themselves and celebrate themselves in a way that I do not feel comfortable with. And so when I think about Pride, I think about that journey that it took me to get from. Like because as myself,

I am assis white man. Because I'm pansexual, I date, I can, you know, day and be with people of all genders, and I do end up in relationships with sis women that you know, from the outside it looks like, okay, we could both be straight. That's often not the case, but outside observers don't know, so I can be like

straight passing. And so to me, to sum up, Pride is rejecting that and rejecting the idea of being straight passing and like being loud and proud about the fact that I am pants and I'm existing in my life in this way even when you're not perceiving me that way. You know. I think that there are some people who may have heard of the term pan sexual and that may have come into the lexicon because of a couple of celebrities, Janelle Monee being one of them, who came

out as pan sexual a couple of years ago. Can you explain to the audience who may not be familiar with with all of the terms, what does pant set, what does the pan sexual identity mean to you? And

how did you come to understand this about yourself? Sure, one thing I will say, since you mentioned Janelle Monee, I think it's great that Janelle Monee had this music video a few years ago that, like, you know, bisexual lighting is now a term that gets used a lot because the bisexual flag is just like, very aesthetically appealing colors, and a lot of art, either on purpose or by accident,

uses the color scheme of the bisexual flag. But I believe with her it was very purposeful given the content that she was putting out there. But now she identifies publicly as pan sexual, and so I think that's an indication that, like there is crossover in those identities, but

they're not the same. And also, you know, a person who identifies as by one year, you know, might realize that pan fits better for them or vice versa, and so you know, just because to introduce my answer, I'm just thinking about the fact that, unfortunately there is some friction between prescriptivists when it comes to language, and I do think they are distinct. But at the same time, it's okay for a person who's pand to realize that there by and then later realize that maybe they were

incorrect and they have been panned all along. And those things happen with all kinds of different identities. I know, you know people who they started their life, like most people probably interact indoctrinated into heteropatriarchy, thinking straight and then you know this just as an example, this person then thought they were a lesbian, and then they thought they were a straight trans man, and then they thought they were a gay trans man, and so like that's an example.

But you know, through life sexuality is fluid. Is a trend that gets used a lot, but like through life, that is something that's true. And to segue, I think for myself, pan sexuality is a state of fluidity. It's this state of like, I'm not rigidly attracted to any gender category. For some people, I think they use it or interpret it as gender doesn't matter to me, or I don't perceive gender. However, you know, whoever is pansexual, and however it applies to them, that's valid to me.

What it means is like, of course I perceive your gender, but I'm attracted to you irrespective of your gender. I'm attracted to a lot of people use the term hearts not parts, which is kind of cringey, and I'm not endorsing it, but the message's your faith. But the message of it is like, you know, you understand the meaning

of right. I do think it's cringe but like the idea you're falling in love with a person not you know, not what they are either you know, ascribed to or assigned or in any way that has to do with their physicality. Right, I'll say that, I'll say exactly exactly. It goes beyond gender. It's it's gender to the physical form. I'm glad you understand that. Yeah, you know, so I think that what is really what I find really interesting now.

And there have been like a couple of studies that have been done recently with younger people, and I want to say younger, and I mean like thirty and below, um, where people are more so choosing to identify themselves as either pan sexual, non binary um in a more outside of these prescribe box place. What do you think that it is that has because society in general, I mean for queer people, particularly trans people, has become a lot

more unsafe, has become a lot more violent. So what do you think, you know, just on your own ideas and in your own community, what do you think has people now ascribe themselves to be more outside of the

box than before? What I perceive or have perceived among my generation and sort of my generational peers, I guess it's hard to speak for a whole generation, but like my generational peers who are sort of in my narrow five year age group, I would say, and you know, within the more left wing queer or at least queer friendly group, I think there's been a transformation in how we understand gender, sex sexuality. For me, a lot of that just came from being exposed to more different kinds

of people. I also had the privilege of how a college education that didn't include I went to a Catholic university and we had probably a Title nine mandated Women and Gender studies department, and it was like one class every semester. To keep that department rolling, and you bet I took at whatever class one class was being offered that semester. But even beyond that, I was on I was thinking about this earlier before we talked, I was on Tumblr and at the time, like at the turn

of the twenty tens, Tumbler was it. Tumbler was the place to be. And they're sure there was misinformation and misunderstanding on Tumbler, but at the same time it exposed people, and especially younger people and people who were becoming young adults around the same time that I was, to these ideas that like some people would radically explain it as gender does not exist. Some people would, in a more nuanced way, explain gender is a social construct and explain

how I'm not there to explain those things. If you're not aware of those things, there's a lot of more intelligent and informed people than I am to explain those very detailed concepts if you were not familiar, but your listener, if you're aware and familiar with the idea of gender being a social construct, and even the fact that I can say that, right, do you like do you think I wasn't an adult at the time, but like, if you think back to like the mid two thousands, well

before the concept of gender being a social construct. Did

that exist within the general public consciousness? No, it honestly did, and I don't even think I think that in general we were still trying to wrap our minds around what it meant to be trans, right, So, so, oh sure, I watched Comity Central, right, So it was it was really that as being and as a person that has been in movement LGBTQ movement politics for a long time, even being trans and having those conversations was divergent to the rest of the LGBU community, right who who at

that time was really just focused on marriage equality. So you want to talk about gender as we're trying to at that time assimilate, to be accepted, to then be able to pass. So no, I think that there has been there is there. We have let go of the boxes in that way over the past very short time of ten fifteen years to have these conversations that are part of national discourse as opposed to just community based. Yeah.

And I think one thing too, as you were talking, I was thinking of I think something that sort of that social uprising fed into and then at the same time that legal validation fed into the social strata is the Supreme Court decision to officially recognize same sex marriage and the validity of it as marriage, not unions or whatever. And I completely recognize that in the very long journey, activists were fighting for civil unions as a strategic move.

I know a lot of people who were in civil unions who call themselves married because to them they were, and that was the way that they could get it legally recognized. And it's great for me for a young person, like what was that twenty thirteen? So I was like twenty twenty one when that was passed, and that was

twenty fifteen. I was okay, a little later than I thought, but still that was there was a lot of agitation, and I think the agitation got louder when younger people started to become voting age and the Obama administration getting voted in was very catalyzing for both young people who voted for him and people who didn't who saw that that.

I hate to call it this, but like all all good elections are run on like marketing campaigns, right and like with the benefit of hindsight, like Hope and Change was kind of it was a little bit more of a marketing campaign than it was promised, but we buy into it. Right, he won, So there was like this optimism even if people who maybe didn't get a chance to vote for him, that like there was hope and

there was hope for change. And even when President Obama was saying, I don't think we can do gay marriage. I don't think we can legalize I don't believe in even he was saying at the beginning, and then of all people, Joe Biden oop seed that he was turning around, which will never know. Maybe we will find out one day, but like we'll never know whether that was a strategic move to him in that direction, right, or it was

really just like a you know, uncle Joe oopsie. But either way, that was astronomical, both the administration pushing for it, that itself was a big social step, but then it being validated by the Supreme Court. I think that opened all kinds of doors that now we're seeing unfortunately awful pushback against Hey, I'm David plots a slice political gab fest.

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to subscribe so you never miss an episode. So that's and I'm so glad that you made that correlation because that's actually you know, I have been thinking about for the last couple of for the last couple of weeks really, as we're in Pride Month and talking to a lot of different folks, is that you know, you sent me a message yesterday that was personally heartbreaking, UM, with regard to Smithtown, a town in Long Island in Suffolk County, that the city council or whatever the township council has

decided to board, has decided to ban pretty much any display of pride, any books, any uh, you know, decorations or anything in all of their libraries. UM. And I think about, you know, how we have seen the the pushback again, the idea of hope and change, the idea that we could actually have a black president, the idea that you know, there could be queer people in cabinet positions, right whether or not we love those people, and it

doesn't matter. It's the fact that you have a person that is trans, that is out trans. As a part of the Abiden administration, you had people that were you know, out and queer. In the Obama administration, you have a Secretary of Transportation that is a married gay man. But now we see all of these targets, all of this violence, and I wonder, Andrew, what do you think they're like,

what are you hearing? The response to this is going to be because we're being jammed back into the closet, We're being pushed into places that you know, you know, again, I've been working in politics for a long time. I've only been a part of the ups I have never been a part of you know, of the regression. And so what are you hearing and what are you feeling now about the direction that that this country is headed in. Yeah, I'm kind of in the same boat where you say,

I've only been part of the upswing. And I think the upswing part of it is important because you know, being born I was born basically when Clinton was elected, like one month between my birth and Clinton's election. So there was you know, the nineties where it's sort of I feel like culturally it was essentially a softened continuation of the Reagan era. I remember a lot of just

dominant cultural conservativism at the time. There was don't ask, don't tell, which I was too young to recognize, but I feel like that was probably the prevailing attitude at the time. I have an uncle who was gay, and he could certainly speak more of this. I don't want to speak for him, but when I was a kid, I wasn't allowed to know that he was gay. My uncle Adam was his roommate. They were friends whatever they were, they weren't a couple, and me, as a child, I

was asking like, are they married? Are their boyfriends? Because that didn't matter to me. But my religious family, in my religious suburban family, was maintaining the lie to a child who was making it evident that he didn't care, that he wasn't passing judgment, but that lie was being maintained. And then we entered the Bush years, and I, you know, I want to talk about cultural conservatism. We were both

there moving on. So then you get the Obama years, and then Obama years were the rejection of that heightened cultural conservativism, in my opinion, and then you get that real upswing, that big upswing where people can be out and proud and validated by their government and recognized by their government and start to be recognized by society at large. All that to say, with this changing tide, I think about people my age for sure, because we're not going

to be shoved back in the closet. I don't think. I don't think most people my age are going to take to being shoved back in the closet. But I think about younger people who just grow up in this is wider age of acceptance and just like the high school experience. From what I understand, I worked as a substitute about five years ago and there was a boy

putting on his makeup in the detention room. So this is like the hard kids, and he's over putting on his makeup and like no one's saying anything, and then the sub like asks about or the eight whoever they asked him about, like what kind of makeup he was using, And he was in front of all these other like tough guys who were in detention for doing whatever tough shit they were doing, and he's like, oh, I'm you know, seeing my like beauty later or whatever, you know, not boyfriend,

but like the guy he was talking to and like no, not even no slurs, which is what would have happened when I was in high school and you know, and sometimes slurs were said and the teacher wasn't like, hey, don't say that. They were just said yep. So the generation younger is sure as shit not going to be pushed back in the closet. They you can't drag them kicking and screaming. So they're you talk about this all the time. There's going to be a cultural war, and

I don't think it's going to be passive. I think if it gets to a point where you know, yeah, I just I think that that is my that's the place of worry that I find myself right now, is that I don't think a lot of young people are so worried. And I'm going to say that too. I think they're more ready than they are worried. What do you think that they're ready for? Um? I think because

I know what the right is ready for? Right, I know what they're a R fifteens and they're you know, the the White Nationalist group, the thirty one members that were just arrested in Idaho for you know, attempting a riot at at a pride in Idaho. We know, you know what happened with the Proud Boys rushing into a drag que queen children's story time. So what do you believe that they are ready for? Well, I will say among just this is more general than queer communities and

discourse that I've observed. I would say, just generally, among leftist millennials and younger people, there is less emphasis on gun control and more thought being given to I mean today, right, we're recording this today, the Supreme Court has made a decision regarding I believe, open carry as well as concealed carry of firearms. And so it's if everyone around you, and I hate to say it, because this is a move designed, yeah, at least partially to benefit gun manufacturers

and put more money into their pockets. At the same time, Logically, if there's a very real possibility wherever you go in the United States of America, and you are choosing to stay in the United States of America, that anyone around you at any time could have a firearm, what logically are you meant to do to defend yourself? That's all.

And when it comes to younger people, I think they're, like I said, there's a more of a rejection of the what's becoming an increasingly liberal and center left idea of gun control and more of this idea of you know, feeling where the wins are going. And you're talking about

like being prepared for what conservatives are doing. I think young people, and certainly young leftists are more prepared for what the conservative political majority in this country, not the cultural majority, not the actual majority, but unfortunately, the conservative political majority, the people who maintain and use power in this country, some of whom are in the Democratic Party if they're in control right now, and the Democrats are saying we don't want to have control, we have stained

from control. Yep. That I see older people and you know, even people like five ten years older than me still believing in the Democratic Party. I think there's a cut off where that's no longer really there's faith not being put into that and certainly voting. I mean, I'm old and I'll tell you that right in the comments time the show. It's like, I'm seventy years old and I'm woke as now and it's you know, it's funny. I you know, I was at the White House a week

a sorgo or two weeks ago. At this point, I don't know. Time is a construct, uh, And you know I'm seeing Nancy Pelosi and I'm seeing, you know, Senator Baldwin and it was for you know, the Pride event, and I'm just thinking to myself, like it took everything in me, of course, like not to just do my you know, nice hello and you know, give Senator Baldwin a hug and like all of those things. And I am thinking to myself, do they not see like are

they part of the don't look up right? Like they honestly believe that if they lose this cycle, that they have an opportunity to come back stronger next time. Like they believe it. Yes, I just I hear it. I hear it in the way that they're like, we just need to keep on fighting and you know, and blah blah blah blah blah, and we just need more people to vote. And it's the same recycled shit that I've heard for well over a decade plus. And I'm just like,

do you not see what these people are doing? Did you? Are you not paying attention like at all? Like there's no sense of urgency. There's this belief that they're going to get another chance. And I think that young people, to your point, are just like so we actually are aware right of what these people are doing. They're telling us out loud, like we're going to have to protect ourselves.

I mean, the other thing that the Supreme Court gutted evidently was your access to miranda rights, right, and the fact that you're not going to be able to like, if the cops don't issue you your Miranda rights, well, you're just fucked right. You're not going to be able

to sue them. You're going to be able to have any recourse in action, right, They're just going to be able to coerce you, beat you out, just do the shit that they they've always been doing, essentially, but you're not going to have the even the perception of legal recourse to take right. So I'm like, you're setting up

a situation that is a tinderbox. And I don't think the democratic establishment, I know, the democratic establishment outside of like the Corey Bushes, the Eric Swalwell's, the AOC's, you know, outside of those folks who are like, do you all see what the fuck is going on here? I don't

think they get it. Yeah, And to start talking about politics and power building and coalition building, I think unfortunately the left wing in this country wasn't thinking about and focusing on power building both within the Democratic Party and without the Democratic Party until it was too late, Because I think you mentioned some names like Alexandria Costio Cortez Bush, and those are new term YEP members of the House.

The this kind of building needed to be happening twenty years ago, thirty years ago after Jimmy Carter lost to Ronald Reagan. Um, it's it's easy to wag my finger as a young person, so I don't want to do that too much. But I would even say even if you wouldn't go back that far to Reagan, right, this should have been happening in two thousand after the Supreme Court decided the presidential election, and not the people of this country. So that I'm going to say to the listeners,

I didn't prep with my favorite soapbox. I didn't tell Danielle to bring up I'm like, anyone who's listened for a long time, they know my favorite. Yeah, I'm just like, if you want to talk about like that. A bigger wake up call to me was twenty two years ago. I think people were really placated by the Clinton years,

by the Obama years too. When I think about it, and it's like, you know, I don't want to go full conspiratorial and be like these presidents were plants designed to, you know, make the masses docile and complacent, because I don't think that's the reality. But I think an unintended effect of the third way strategy that brought Bill Clinton into power was then this idea of yeah, oh my god, the fact that history almost made me forget his name.

Al Gore lost, and al Gore lost in a fully illegitimate way, and looking historically, Democrats just kind of said, oh, well, we'll get them next time and didn't even fight it. And then on the ground, it's like there was leftist movements. I know, there was the Battle of Seattle, so like, leftists, we're doing something, but they just they weren't interested in building I hate to separate like leftists from Democrats in

this way because I'm sure they're just crossover. But like when you think about the grassroots leftist versus the establishment Democrats, the grassroots leftists were not thinking about building political power in a way that people were really awakened by and sixteen by the election of Donald Trump, the additionally illegitimate election of Donald Trump, but it took to your point, it took that long sixteen years between a legitimate elections. Three,

but it'll go. Maybe we should stop this from happening, right, But even still, now that we've experienced two thousand, experienced two thousand and sixteen, where in twenty twenty two headed into mid terms twenty twenty four, what do you see any guardrails that were put in place to ensure that the twenty twenty four presidential election one isn't going to be corrupt and then two that that president isn't going to be the last president that we have in these

United States as an authoritarian because absent indictments, absent accountability, all we have done as a nation is set up our demise. And I think that complacency is a great word, because I too was complacent during the Obama years. I too believe that this was the beginning of that arc bending itself towards justice, and that we were going to be on the bend side, right and that everything was

just going to be about expansion from here. We're not even holding onto what the fuck was one fifty years ago. So it's I think that, you know, I guess last question for you, Andrew is what do you foresee? And I don't like to future cast, but I really want to know what do you foresee happening in the next couple of years in America as a as a as a queer person living in this country. And I don't know if you what your plans are, if you have plans to stay, your plans not to, but what do

you foresee happening right now? I would love to stay. I'm sort of I mean not to air my laundry too publicly, but it's a big state. I've been aiming moving to California, and now I'm looking at the election of Rick Caruso and being like, go Karen Bass, go Karen bask you should try to have her on the show.

We should again. But you know, beyond, it's like when I think about things, I think about that that's like a micro thing, right, But it's like, will this country keep just like sliding further and further to the right. And even these narrow electoral efforts to get leftists into office, are they going to continue to be opposed by people who favor the status quo. I hate to go back, but I ultimately I never said I never fully responded to you talking about you know, don't look up and democrats.

I don't think democrats live in the real world. I think the tools that younger people have, you know, the younger you go, the more people have grown up with technology, and the more people know how to those younger people know how to use technology more deptly, and not only how to use that technology, but how to avoid disinformation. We talked about Tumbler, and there's TikTok now as well.

It's not like disinformation isn't out there and young people don't buy into it, but it's not so much on the scale of like here is the dumbest clickbait Facebook article in the world that your sixty five year old parent is going to fall forward because they just don't have the tools, whether in their mind or just like you know, practically in their Internet browsing to filter what is true and what is not because they grew up in a time where if information was being given to

you by what you perceive as a reputable source yea, then you will receive it. And to connect that to democrats, I don't think democrats use like Democrats aren't tooled into their constituency in a large sense is the sense I get. And so when there are people on the ground yelling fire, yelling wolf, and there's actually like Democrats, I feel are the ones to bring that analogy, and Democrats are actually the ones who feel I feel cry wolf. I feel like a lot of people have grown up with like

this is the most important election ever. This time, we've really got it. So if that's really what happens in twenty twenty two, it's you've been saying that to us. I don't know, at least since Obama's second election, probably beforehand. No, they said it for Obamas because McCain was I thought

that was true. But it's like if every election is the most important, that loses, But now we're the ones saying no, Look there's wolves, there's fascist, there's white supremacist, there's all these things, and Democrats are shaking their hands with them, and they're going, my friend across the aisle, you point us out all the time, and it's just like, I think their class blinds them from what is going on in the world, because in terms of class, they

are fully aligned with Republicans, and I worry about how that will affect our younger crop in the long run, but I want to be optimistic, and speaking of a long run, neither of us know whether there actually will be a long run. Will Ocasio Cortez actually even get to be the age where even theoretically she could run for president of the United States and there still be

a United States government. When I look at the next few years, I'll say publicly that I spoke to you and a recording engineer last summer, and I said that the Democrats were not going to win these midterm elections. That I think was in June twenty twenty one. I think it's you know, now it's Dune twenty twenty two.

I think it is increasingly evident. And if you're saying that's the mood on the hill, that means they've accepted lost, they've accepted defeat, and they've decided they're not going to fight. I'm I legitimately feel like I'm about to cry, because it's like, in terms of government, we don't have course. We don't we being the left wing, and we being

the people, do not have the recourse to fight. If Republicans are saying we want to dismand if Republicans and the conservative right are saying we want to dismantle everything, and Democrats are saying we'll get them next time. You're not You're You're absolutely right. I agree with you. There is not going to be the next time. And I can't read the tea leaves. I can't say what that will look like. I do think it's not going to

be pretty. I sometimes think of Joe Biden as James Buchanan, and what came after James Buchanan was very, very, very unpretty. And I think the only one more crossover between both is that after James Buchanan there will be a Republican, but they will be two very different Republicans. And what will that mean for America? Yeah, oh god, I wanted to end on a high note, but that is not going to be. That's not going to be today. I don't think a lot is, certainly not people younger than me.

I don't think there's a lot of optimism for the immediate future. I mean, we didn't even talk about the climate, which also don't want to do anything about. So is there going to be you know, how much of the United States is that it's actually be war on So it's like either we're going down We're going down with the civil war, We're going down with climate change. We're

going down. I think that whatever is whatever comes after the fall of everything um is going to be a considerable dark period that I don't know if we I don't know if there will be light that we will see, right like I, you know, I think that we're talking about generational loss, and I don't think that the majority of America understands really what that means. Do you want to end on a positive note? Coma one thing? There is some optimism in my heart. If we fight for

a better future, a better future is possible. But we have to fight. I said, had we started fighting thirty fifty years ago, it would be an easier fight. But if we start fighting now, we will have to fight very hard. And we can fight for a better future and we can fight back, but we have to fight. And fighting doesn't just mean voting every two or four years. We have to fight. It's true, Andrew. It is wonderful

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