Sowing the Seeds

who he is a former Florida state delegate. We'll get into a conversation about what the Democrats are doing wrong in Florida. I open up the conversation by talking about the fact that Florida was indeed a purple state. And he said, no, no, no, He's like, if you remove Miami Dade, if you remove you know, certain areas. He's like, basically, Florida is incredibly read and incredibly rural, and he's like

and incredibly old. And Democrats do not do a good job in talking to the older set, the retirees who have enough money, by the way, to go down to Florida and to retire and to buy homes or go into a retirement village. About the fact that you know, Republicans take control and guess what's going to be gone. They're so security that they're living off of their Medicare that is taking care of their elderly care. Why aren't

we having those conversations. Sean will push back against me and talking about, you know, the fact that he believes that Democrats get caught up in the culture wars, And I say, I don't think that Democrats get caught up in the culture wars. They don't have a good comeback and nor do they have a way to them pivot back to the ways in which Republicans are working overtime to take away your rights, take away your entitlements, and take away all of the things that Americans have earned.

And so folks, you know, as we continue to make the march to the midterm elections. As it stands right now and some states, turnout is very high, but we don't know who these people are turning out for. Are

they turning out for death Santis? Who is using Florida as an evil Petrie dish to see just how many you know LGBTQ kids, he can assault, or how many voters he can arrest, or you know, how many you know, white people he can celebrate while erasing people of color in the history books and you know, pushing teachers out of the classroom. When you look at the numbers, who's running for governor right now against him, he's in a comfortable spot if you believe the polls. And I'm just

like the fuck man. You people in Florida are underwater, your homes have been destroyed. Climate change is going to engulf the whole fucking state at some point, and you are voting for a man who doesn't believe that climate change exists. Take out LGBTQ people, take out women in abortion, take out white grievance, take out all of those things, and just think about your fucking bottom line. This is

what I don't understand. But you know then I don't understand racists, right like I don't understand the hate so deep inside yourself that you will vote against your own best interests just so you can ensure that people who you don't know right don't have any idea or understanding about except for the stories that you've made up in your head, suffer more than you suffer. And that somehow means winning to you. I don't get it, but that's

the reality that we're in. And so my conversation with Sean will unpack a lot of this and he will provide some eye opening ways into which we need to be thinking about the state of Florida and sowing the seeds right, because that's the thing that Democrats are not good at, which is sowing the seeds. Instead, they seed ground to the Republican Party when they've decided, oh, well,

this is a red state and it's always gonna be. Yeah, it's always going to be if you don't fucking invest in it, right, if you don't actually give money to local folks that are on the ground, that are doing to get out the vote, that are doing the messaging campaigns right. And I know that the folks will say, well, Democrats can't be everywhere, We'll fucking Republicans are. They seem

to be everywhere and doing just fine. It's the rest of us that are sitting around scratching our heads saying, how come people are not waking up to the ways in which Republicans are lying to the American people and have turned into a vicious cult. Well, because nobody is repeating that information to them day in and day out,

and that's why we're here. So, you know, I hope that you enjoy this conversation with Sean, and if you are a woke a f listener from Florida, please do in the comment section let me know what you think about your red state, right, and whether or not you have some pointers that the Democrats could actually use in terms of what messaging does resonate with your neighbors and your friends, right, what messages will get through that aren't

being thought about right now, because clearly if death Santens is up in the polls and yet the state is underwater. He denied, you know, FEMA to other states, namely New York during Superstorm Sandy, and then coming out with this fucking handout for the state of Florida. I'm just like, guys, there's got to be somebody better than this motherfucker. And so I want to know what messaging do you think is going to resonate in Florida that Democrats have yet

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be sure to subscribe so you never miss a new episode. Folks, I am very excited to welcome to wok F for the very first time Sean Shaw, which is who I was practicing so that I would not mess that up,

So let me say that again. I'm very happy to welcome to wok F Daily for the very first time Sean Shaw, who is the founder of People Over Profits and former Florida State representative and also nominee for Florida Attorney General, Sean, before we get into your very very special state, talk to us about what People Over Profits is. It's good to be here. I'm happy to be on here. As soon as I saw the title of the show, I knew it was one I wanted to be on.

So I'm happy to be here. You know, after my Attorney general is raising twenty and eighteen, I wanted to stay involved. I wanted to have a vehicle to do things on issues that I cared about. And so People Over Profits as a C four and we spend a lot of time on ballot initiatives here in Florida, killing bad ones and trying to help good ones. And of course we do a lot of support to candidates, Democratic

candidates here in Florida. And so it's just a way for me to stay involved on issues that I care about, whether that's those are voting issues, whether those are you know, issues that have a disportion impact on black folks, those

are ones that I really care about. You know, we have a redistricting issues here in Florida as well, So things like that are ones that we like to be involved in because, as you said, Florida we got a lot of work to do in a lot of places, and so I wanted to remain involved, and I wanted the freedom to be able to do what I wanted to do, right. I didn't want to have to work through existing channels necessarily. I wanted to be able to

do work on issues that I cared about. So you know, one of the things that caught my attention, right, which was a tweet that you sent after or maybe actually during Hurricane Ian, which is, if you are a Fuloridian, you should know every single one of your Republican congress people and US senators voted against FEMA aid for your state. And you know, I want to lift that up because it is outrageous to me. Right, the state of Florida is essentially, you know, pieces of it are in Hurricane Alley.

We have seen as climate change, as the climate crisis has gotten worse, that the hits are going to cost into the billions for this state. So what do you make of it, Sean, that all of these representatives at this state, which was once purple, right, which once flip has flipped blue, is still considered purple, continues to elect people who are absolutely out to launch when we are talking about the climate crisis and investments that need to

be made in order to keep people safe. Well, I might have some bad news for you because I don't think Florida's purple. I think that's part of the answer. Damn okay, And a purple state doesn't elect Ron de Santis, Marco Rubio, Rick Scott Ashley. Those are not moderate Republican politicians. Those are extremely right wing politicians. And I think we need to come to terms in this state. We keep trying to say we're purple, but look who leads us.

Look who every statewide elected official is except one that's a Democrat. All the Republicans that are elected stay wide are not moderates, and they don't claim to be moderates, and they don't act like moderates. They race each other to be as conservative as they can. The Santis is shipping migrants from Texas to Martha's Vineyard. That sounds like a moderate. No, So they are doing what you know, they believe the conservative playbook, which is to lockdown against

anything that's democratic. And so if Biden wants it, if Pelosi wants it, if Humor wants it, they don't. And so all the Republicans voted against that build that contain that FEMA money. But like you said, you bite your nose to spite your face, and so now I think it's the height of hypocrisy. Now they are all saying, man I sure wish we need some more FEMA money down here. These people are hurting it. Well, damn you had a chance to actually vote to literally help those people,

and you took this partisan way out. And their excuses, well, it wasn't a standalone bill, and YadA YadA. People are sick of hearing that bus. Right, that's Washington, DC. Speed those people in Lee County and call your county whose house blew away, who have no house, who haven't had electricity for two weeks. They need to know that everyone who's a Republican that had a chance voted against more

money for them in exactly a situation like this. That's what we've got to keep lifting up and make that message known, because you know, all the culture wars in the world don't make that fat go away. And that is what a lot of this culture war foolishness, at least in Florida, that they like to do is to make you try to forget about the other bad stuff we're doing over here, because we're gonna get you'all riled up about black folks. We will get y'all rolled up

about LGBTQ issues. We gonna get y'all riled up about migrants at the border. Florida ain't got no border, but we will get y'all routed up about these other things. So you don't pay attention to the fact that your insurance is too high, that Florida is the most unaffordable country in the state, in the country to live in, and all these other things. So then, Sean, what is it that you think that Democrats are getting wrong about the state of Florida, right, Because it's not as if

y'all haven't had, including yourself, good candidates to run. So clearly the message or the messages are not penetrating to the people who need to be vote Democrat because they are, like you said earlier, you know, cutting off their nose despite their face. So what are Democrats getting wrong about the messaging in Florida? I think a lot. I think the messaging needs to be based on pocketbush pocketbook economic issues. I think we're coming across as weird to the average person.

Because we concentrate on things that they don't necessarily want to talk about all the time. And just because you don't want to talk about race and you don't want to talk about gender issues doesn't make you a bigger or a fold It just means I want to talk about that because I want to talk about insurance, and I want to talk about my rent, and I want to talk about why my like I want to talk about those things. And I think sometimes we focus on

issues over here, like the culture war issues. They get us so riled up and mad that we forget to pivot to the fact that people are paying you know, the sciantists under the scientists, insurance rates have gone up I think a hundred And I keep mentioning an insurance because everyone pays that. And I don't care if you're a different count or a a Republican you don't like an insurance rates going up. And in Florida we are especially sensitive to it because we're the highest in the country.

All this beachfront property, all these hurricanes that hit, and I think that we need to concentrate on those issues. And I think we also and climate change that cuts across a lot of aisles in Florida, because in Florida even Republicans want their water to be nice, and we have so many beaches and springs and all those things. But I think sometimes people don't understand what Florida is right, So Florida is more than just Miami, Fort Laidadale, West

Palm Beach, Tampa, Jacksonville, Orlando. Florida is a lot of rural counties where Democrats get smoked. And we do very well in eight to ten counties, but there's sixty seven counties in Florida, and we do very badly in the other counties. And we've got to figure out a way to get into that. And I think part of the messaging I just told you is the way to do it. But think about who's moving to Florida. Florida has no income tax. We're one of the lowest tax states in

the country. You know who's moving to Florida, retirees that are escaping high taxes. Guess what you ought to be talking to them about now, don't be talking to them about economic issues. They also don't come they're not Democrats, like people are moving here, are escaping high taxes. They're not our voters. To start with but you can get to them if you can convince them. Look, Republicans have run the state of Florida for twenty years. What have

they done. They've made it unaffordable. You know, They've spent money on everything but the environment. They've made the you know, they've done all these other things that maybe you ought to give the Democrats a shot, but I think we spend a lot of time. Let me give an example. You don't think critical race theory the ban on? It pisses me off, And that's all I want to talk

about it is. It's infuriating, as frustrating, as terrible. But I want to win elections too, So after I get done pointing out how bad critical race theory is, I need to pivot to an issue where I can connect with these people that I think may want to vote for me. And that's insurance, and that's utilities, and that's rent,

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Person of the Week, and much more. Listen to The Damage Report on Apple, podcast, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. If you like what you here, be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode. Let me push back a bit because the issue I think with regard to the culture wars and who is pushing right and lighting up and adding fuel to the fire. Are

Republicans right? And so you're and I agree with you because they are using the LGBTQ community, the black community, the Latin X community, and others as their scapegoats for what it is that they're not doing and have no intention of doing. But when they bring these issues up, do you think that it is Democrats that need to address it and pivot or not address it at all. Because this is because this is where I find the issue.

If you have roun de santists that is using Florida, for instance, as a petri dish to test not policies that they want to see nationalize, like for instance, that don't say gay bill, and Democrats don't have a proper response to that, then are we just allowing them to run away again with the narrative If we're like the state of Florida rally together to allow you know, felons who had served their time to be reinstated to be able to vote, and then a bunch of Republicans in

the state House decide, now the people voted against the people voted for this, we don't care. We're overturning it. If we don't talk about the attacks on black voters in particular, right, then like are we missing the marks? So is there a way that you have seen or you see that we can do both? And because I believe that we can walk and chew gum at the same time, I don't think, yeah, you're right, it's pivot.

You gotta address it, pivot, because if you don't address it, your voters are going to look at you like, well, what are we doing here where everybody is trash? But it is addressing in pivot. And you know, I do a lot of my independent research in the black barbershop, so I test out a lot of these messages. And you know, the Santis is somewhat popular, as is Trump, which is very strange because they give them so much credit for economic stuff, and they give the Santas so

much credit for reopening the state so fast. And so I asked, well, what about this critical race theory band? Y'all cool with that? And they're like, no, it's bad, but I'm glad this barbershop was open. See, so you're it proves I think exactly what you're saying. We got we gotta talk about the critical race band, but we also got to pivot to the fact, well he was he didn't give enough unemployment check, so none of y'all were able to keep your job if you got fired.

And you know, three hundred thousand people died needlessly because he opened the state too. That's you gotta be able to do both, like you said, because often it's you gotta be able to do both because if we spend

too much time in one or the other. I don't think we're getting the job done, but you do have to do both totally gree You know, the the point of your organization right is to identify the fact that we are living in a time or have probably always been where profiteers right are able to create these kind of smear campaigns to come in and hoodwink the American

people to falling for their ropadope. You talked about Florida being, you know, the land of retirees, which we all know that, but you have a Republican Party that is saying that we're going to take away your social we want to end you know, quote unquote entitlements, we want to get rid of Social Security, we want to get rid of Medicaid. So in that respect, what kind of messaging do you think we need to have right in your state that gets people to pay attention? Because it's scares the hell

out of me. I got to tell you that the Republican Party under Donald Trump is able to peel off fifteen percent of the fifteen percent of blackmails. That to me is terrifying. I don't know if that's just the alignment with white supremacy. I don't know if that's self hatred. I don't know what it is. And maybe you know from your you know, from your anecdotal research, because like I, for one, I have never met those brothers and I

don't know, and I don't think I ever will. But I'm concerned about the peel off right because they're not actively trying to go after these groups. It's just trying to peel off enough to upset democrats. I heard a comment in the barbershop again that was fascinating to me, and it was one that I dismissed as soon as I heard it, But the more I thought about it, the more it worried me, because I think there's some

truth to it. And there's a barber. There's a barber in the barbershop with a maccaht literally, and you know, sometimes the barbershop is just about trolley, you know. And I told the brothers, I wish you could just arguing about Lebron and Jordan like normal. I'm tired of talking about politics every time I come in here, but that's where it goes to. And this guy said, Sean, both

parties treat black folks bad. Just talk to me about the one that's going to do the most my business and the one that's gonna help me build money to the best. Both of y'all got problems when it comes to treating black folks right, And I of course got defensive, and I said, you know, well, Democrats have done this. And when I got home, you know, the more I thought about it, the more I think that might explain

that some of that Trump stuff. And because you know, all Trump tried to talk about, even though he didn't do it, was economy and wealth and that kind of stuff. But it is scary. I'm like you, I'm scared. And if I had the answer to that in Florida, I'd be a very rich man. But I'm still convinced it is about economic issues at its core. And because you know, I named my organization People over Profits, because you know, my entire career has been built really on pushing back

on corporate greed. Of course, I talk about black folks issues a lot, but I am convinced that no matter who is in the White House or what party controls Congress, there's one group of people that are always gonna be okay, Yeah, that's corporate America. It doesn't matter what else is going on a pandemic, So what a hurricane? So what bregsit a war in Ukraine? So what they always gonna be okay? And so that is one of the things that that's

why I named my organization what it is. But I just in Florida at least, we have got to talk to people about, you know, tourism and is the driving force in our economy. And the people that are moving here are moving here because of the weather and because of the environment. And so you talk to them about insurance being too high. You can't afford to stay in your home on a fixed income if you're a retiree.

You talk about, you know, you want to keep a golf course nice, you want to keep your beach house nice. Talk about things that matter to them. What might not matter to them is public education. A lot of these people moving here, I mean, that's not gonna move them. But that is not gonna move them. And I know it seems like I'm doing saying things that aren't naturally what Democrats do, But damn it, we got do something different than what we've been doing. That's what I'm going

to talk about. Guns and public education and the same old thing. It ain't it ain't moving people. And I'm convinced you got to meet people where they're at, not where you want them to be. And although we want people to be mad about public education, we want people to be mad about these things. I think what really is going to make people eventually sit up and listens when, as you said, you know these people are voting against your program, so that you've put in it all your

life and now they're gonna cut it off. You know, it's gonna be more expensive for your home, and you know blah blah blah blah blah. And so it might not be a today or tomorrow thing, but I think that's how we start digging ourselves out of this whole. What do you think? And I just with a couple of minutes I have left, I do want to ask, as always go fast we're talking about now, I want to ask you about a pivotal race, right which which is Valdemings and Mark or Rubio. And you know they

just recently had their debate Valdemings. You know, I honestly I see no choice here, but apparently Floridians do. How do you think about the like, how do you think that her line of messaging is actually working with Floridians And what is it? Why are people attached to Marco Rubio? Like, what is it about this man that's Floridians cannot get rid of him? About him, it's just the R. It's

the R versus D. It ain't nothing specific to him. Now, the scientist, if you ask me that question, there's specific reasons that people love him. But Marco is he's just a Republican and he happens to be from a part of the state where Democrats have to run up the score to win statewide, Like we have to win Miami Dade by a lot of points to win statewide, and the fact that he is Hispanic from Miami Dade makes it mathematically really hard for Vow to pull it off.

But Vow's the best candidate. I think we have the cycling where she's got the best shot of anyone because she's got the most compelling story. Like, you know, it's very hard to call a former police chief, a former congress you know, a congresswoman. It's very hard to make her weird. Now they've run all these ads of her yelling and screaming, and they probably darken you know, how they do, but very hard to make val look crazy.

But um, she's I think she's doing well. One thing I do have a concern with, though, is every ad I've seen talks about the police chief stuff. And I know why she's doing it because it inoculates her against what they're going to charge her with. But I'm not sure police chief language resonates great with black folks and young folks, and I might want to see some ads that talk about some other things, but everything is chief,

chief chief, and I know why she's doing it. But even I cringe because because I'm starting to feel some kind of way too about when I see my brothers and sisters being treated as a often police custody. So um, that's one little tweak that I might make. And but she's doing the best. She's raising money evenly with him, which is they am never impossible to incomment. You know, Florida races cost ten times anybody else in the country, so this is a fifty seventy five million dollars race

something somewhere around there. Um, she's got the best shot. It's still gonna be hard because it's that our versus D M. Well Sean. I mean, I want to commend you for the work that you are doing, uh in your I mean I can't imagine. I can't. I can't imagine because I mean I sit up here in New York scratching my head all the time, but I have family down you know, in Florida, as as as many

people do. Um, and they're just they're dumbfounded with how to how you know, people in their own communities just continue to vote against their own interests and how to permeate through you know that noways um? So for folks from woke a f who want to get involved stay connected with you, please tell us how they can follow you. Yeah, Sean s. E a n At Shanshaw dot com. Um, people the people overprofits dot org. I think is the website, but email me is the best way to do it.

And we're on Twitter at ss h AWFL. And I'm easily founded, like I like, listen, I'm in Tampa scratching my head about how to figure this out. But we got to keep at it because you know, the Santist is going to be the leading contender for president and so our problem, it's gonna be y'all problem in a minute. And so we got to figure this out. Um, and you know people are counting on us, and we people in Florida deserve and Democratic party that has their shit together.

And yes, we gotta work on We gotta work on that. Per Sean Shaw, thank you so much for making the time to join WOKF. Really appreciate you. Thank you. That is it for me today, dear friends, an woke ap as always, Power to the people and to all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.