Reflections

the mid term elections. We decided that this episode we would give a reflection on where things are, where things stand in our body politic right now, and what our thoughts are for when the calendar year changes and we rev up into the mid term. So I hope you will enjoy this new episode of Make It Woke, Plane

as Fuck. You tell me, folks, I am so excited to welcome back everyone to our monthly crossover with our friend, the Reverend Mark Thompson of Make It Plane joining Woke a f so that we can make shit plane as fuck. So on this episode, you know we're going to provide a I guess what is it? Mark a reflection or wrap up a Hail Mary to the past year, looking ahead to what we expect is going to be happening

in January. But you know, before we even jump into the specifics, I cannot believe that this is the end of twenty twenty one. Like I, my mind is still blown that we are about to be two years inside of a pandemic that you know, even though Donald Trump is gone, Trumps M is winning and raging strong. How are you feeling as we're coming to the end of this year? The year has and first of all, always

great to collaborate with you, Danielle. The year has flown by, and it's odd because we're still I guess coming out of or still in. I don't know if we're fully out of it yet. This pandemic culture and environment where it's it's very strange. And I think too looking at the days and weeks to come. You know, the news cycle is getting shorter and shorter, so we got a whole another month of stuff that could happen before we get to January. So I'm I'm just trying to get

to Christmas, which I'm not ready for yet. Uh not to mention it getting ready for January. I mean we even have if you I mean we just you know, we just had another another shooting. You know, I want to talk about that, um coming on the heels of ritten house. You know, there's still this gun violence. But nobody says right on wait violence you know we it's us. It's just we have when y'all going to address you

all's problem with violence. And so there's that. UM. You and I talked the last time we together about the party which many of us support but doesn't seem to love us back. And it's gonna language. So this, this is it. This month is do or die for the Democratic Party in the sense that if these pieces of legislation, and there's a myriad of them from voting rights and then go to suppression all of that, even reparations, which I was on a meeting for today, if we have

to this is breaking news. I have not even announced this on my show yet. I'll make a plan at this moment between with the total of co sponsors for HR forty, the reparations built, and the total of committed yes votes is two hundred fourteen, which means we are eight votes from passage. Of HR forty. Now, what usually happens in that situation is when it's that close, it's like it wasn't Build Back Better. They didn't have all

the votes to build Back Better in the House. So what the leadership then does is they go and they whip, they get the last few they need, and they do whatever they need to do. Twist time, say hey, come with the caucus. Some Democrats are afraid. It is the irony. You got two hundred and fourteen people on the bill, but yet there's a small number who are afraid, Well, if you do this, we pass reparations that's going to

hurt us in in vulnerable and competitive districts. But two hundred fourteen year all on the build and the two hundred fourteen members of the Congressional Black Caucus. This is a majority of white members of Congress that support HR forty. So what's what's the big deal? So we got to deal with that, and then really the whole jig is up. We hope that happens back the end of the month. But just like build back Better, build back Better has

to happen bay the end of the month. And also either John Lewis for the people of freedom to vote, which was the Mansion compromise. All of those would address the jerrymandering and rot to suppression. I mean, you know, you got states like Ohio jerrymandering eighty percent, for Trump's North Carolina jereymandering seventy eight percent. I don't mean I for Trump for Republican House seats, Texas sixty five percent

for Republican House seats. All of these states Ohio, North Carolina, and Texas Trump barely won, barely states that Biden one Georgia jeremandering sixty four Republican House seats. One Wisconsin jeremandering seventy five percent Republican House seats. So this is this is existential. They can they have the ability to jerrymander themselves a House majority without people voting them out. And

I hope I made that clear. They create more Republican districts that we definitely can win in and then they get a House majority. Mansion is doing that, and how one person still how the White House and no one else has figured out how to prevent one person from having that power, And it's got to happen this month. So December is do a dad for the Democrats. You know. It's so I don't think you know, you use the word existential, and that is absolutely the right word to use.

And the fact is is that I don't believe that people across the country, regular Americans, understand exactly what an

existential threat this is. I think that right now, even with what the Supreme Court is doing with the gutting, completely dismantling of Roev Wade, I put up a map the other day on you on Instagram that shows exactly what the country will look like in a post Rob Wade world, and it is like about ten states that women are going to be able to get an abortion in and it is going to be outlawed because what people don't know is that they have trigger laws that

are in place that if you move viability right of a collection of sales, if you move viability from twenty four weeks right to fifteen, then there's no reason why it won't be ten, it won't be nine, it won't be a week, right. And so these trigger laws that folks in the South and across the Midwest have are just itching and waiting. And the thing that I have put up and said is that if you think this stops at Roe v. Wade, You are out of your mind.

This just this Robert's Court is the reason why we have over four hundred bills right now right across the country that are about jerrymandering and voter suppression. It's because of the decision that was made right to end preclearance for historically racist states in this country. Roberts wanted us

to believe. At what Rachel Madao how said on the election out of Obama, Oh, we're post racial, so we don't need to have the same preclearance when these historically racist states that have been ground zero for domestic terrorism in this country. Oh, they don't need anymore oversight when

they decide to change your voter suppression laws. As soon as that became the new law of the land, as soon as we hollowed out this nineteen forty nineteen sixty four Act, Republicans the salivating that we have seen right the chomping at the bit to undermine our democracy and to literally silence the voices of the majority of this country.

You see, because when when we all got the alert that twenty thirty, twenty fifty it was going to be majority minority, right, majority bipop people in this country, right, we're all sitting around applauding and getting excited. They got actionable, the white supremacy got actionable. And so if this is what it looks like when we have the House, the Senate, and the White House, what do we think it's gonna look like when they take back the House and the

Senate in twenty twenty two. And they're not even doing it on any policy. They're just doing it on saying we're about white supremacy. We're about no mandates whatsoever unless we are mandating what a woman can and cannot do with her reproductive health. You know, you're right. That Row piece was pretty a devastating display of just subjugation. And then the Mississippi ag comparing Road to Plussy versus Ferguson.

And I think that Justice Sotomayor probably gave one of the the will go down in history as one of the greatest quotes in the history of the Screen Court when she said this looks too political? What will the result of the stench be from making these types of decisions? But let gonna tell you last night, I'm on Twitter. I started to call you, see if you got your passport ready? I was like, let's go to Poland. Then

people in the streets. It looks like the million man March and the march Women's March all together at the same time in Poland right now for the same reason. Because they're trying to outlaw a bush. They are in the streets. So now if we were to do that in this country, if they really go back against Row and see women, this is where y'all come in. Take something right now, Women can change his whole thing. That's

the only saving grace. If they reverse Row Danielle and then women respond on Moss at the polls and elsewhere, that might be the only thing that keeps them out of the majority. To me, that's a big gamble for them because I mean, do you want to awaken this sleeping giant, And by sleeping, I mean women have yet as an electorate. They did it in twenty twenty. That's why Biden's a women decide, Okay, we finish the Trump.

But then they decided to come back in Kentucky and let us know, that's just we just want to get rid of Trump, but we'll deal with moderately racist people. But women have got to decide as the majority of people in this country the majority of electorate, are you going to allow them to take away your reproductive rights? It's tricky because for a segment of the white women's electorate, things go back to the way they were before Row. They can still get abortions because they can afford to

go somewhere and get them. So the question is will they stand up for women who afford that writes privacy? And and and just one more thing, it ain't just about a bostion, y'all, As Danielle said, it's a slippery slope to everything else. See see folks saw them take away the chief extract the teeth from the Voting Rights Act, and nobody thought would they might do the same thing the road or the same sex or the marriage equality. But that's what they do. They start in one place

and then they started coming for everything. If y'all think that you don't think they can, they can reconsider and see some people on the front line and order to get that. They already bracing for them to come back to marriage equality. Even so, so you know this is this is that we cannot rest. This is the war we're in and we people have got to stop being radicalized by false issues like critical race theory. That's not real right now. It's about critical voter suppression theory, critical

women's rights to their own body. That's the real stuff. But they want to distract you, oh Market Danielle trying to get a critical race theory in the school. No, no no, we're not trying to get critic race theory ain't in the schools. It never was. And if anything, the movement that we had back in the nineties, late eighties and nineties around changing curriculum, African center curriculum, multicultural curriculum, we

lost that battle. They beat us on that, and so we would have been the ones to bringing that back up, y'all bringing up critical race theory to use it as a you know, a foil to mobilize white fear, to stoke white fear for no reason at all. You know. The reality here too, is that you want to go back to marriage equality. And I tweeted and I said, I want you to recognize ROPI Wade has been around for forty eight years, right and you're looking, I'm saying,

go back to Brown versus the Board of Education. If you think that that isn't going to be up on the chopping blocks and I said, everything that you think was codified into law is the quote unquote law of the land became up for grabs when Mitch McConnell stole Merrick Garland's Supreme Court seat and then got too additional, right,

got too additional. That's what happened. You have three over three hundred federal judges that were put that were put in by Donald Trump, many of which the American Bar Association said are not even qualified. And then you have three Supreme Court justices that were also put in by Trump. People think that getting rid of Trump was going to be, you know, our saving grace. Trump Ism has now is

going to be here for generations. Right, Kids that are not even born are going to have to live under Trump is m because of what Mitch McConnell was able to do to the courts and what we allowed him to do because there was room there for pushback, there was room there for lawsuits, there was room there. But Obama, you know, SETA, I don't want to ruffle feathers. I don't want to do I don't you know, I don't

want to be up in arms around this. You know, we can still collaborate with people who have been at war with you, and again you use the exact right word war. This is the war that we are in. They have been waging a non violent civil war that just recently, with Kyle Rittenhouse being the first shot literally over the ball right, has turned violent. You have Paul Goser in Congress, a congressman putting out violent anime of him murdering one of his colleagues. Where do folks think

that this is going? You have Marjorie Taylor Green with an ar fifteen, sunglasses on, and and and and gun shots behind her again with the faces of her colleagues. So we keep wanting to believe and operate in this did this false reality that we are in a two party system where you have Republicans that believe in the success of the country regardless of who is at the

helm of it. And what Republicans have been telling us and showing us since two thousand and eight is that they don't want the country to succeed, that they benefit more if it is in peril, right, because they're able to hold power, grab power, and scare the shit out of people into believing that somebody's coming to take your guns. A black man's gonna marry your white daughter, and like all hell is going to break loose. I mean, that's I mean, this is where we are. Mark, you brought up.

We had a school shooting, right enough, This was according to analysts who do guns gun rights. This was the twenty eighth school shooting this school year. It's December. It's December, schools at school, it's only been in session for four damn months, and it's the twenty eighth. One four kids are dead. Right, But you have parents, you have white parents in the Midwestern, in the South, wanted to protests at school boards for mass mandates that they think will

traumatize their kids. Where the fuck are the protests for not sending your kids to school? In a hal of bullets? That's right, that's right, that's right because because that's the culture of America. Bullets. Okay, we're good with that. We can have bullets. It turns out the mother of the shooter thank Trump for the right to bear arms in a twenty sixteen open letter. This is the culture. This is this is the culture of America. Violence, intimidation, the romanticization.

These people still romantics as Jane where six, They don't see anything wrong with they still see that as okay. They they mark, they romanticize and still perform the Civil War. They have Civil War reenactments. Of course they are about to there. Of course they are still romanticizing January six because they think that those motherfuckers were patriots right, like they are patriots. They stood up for what was right.

You have Kyle Rittenhouse that killed two people. Marjorie Taylor Green's trying to give him a Congressional Medal of Freedom. You have you have members of Congress that are want arm Russell to make and to make yeah, and to

make him a congressional intern. So if I'm if I'm a woman of color and I'm working on Capitol Hill, if I'm Alexandrio Cassio Cortez, a representative ilhan Omar, and you're talking about bringing in a murderer to come and work on Capitol Hill, and then you're threat and then you're sending out violent anime videos to why are we still acting like this Republican Party is a is a party of opposed ideology when when what they are is a terrorist organization that is very well funded by the

fucking taxpayers. That's the conversation that I want to see and be having in mainstream media when they're still bringing on Republican representatives talking about, Oh, I think they're going to be gumming up the works. They are literally organizing an army of the unvaccinated and literally organizing militias to come take this country back. But we want to we want to pretend right now that the biggest problem that

we're dealing with is an impending government shut down. When they are trying to shut democracy down, let me be the grinch, because it's beginning to look a lot like autocracy everywhere. You look like I mean it to me, you know, And I want to I want to get your thoughts and reflections too, on the recent cases that we followed with regard to the McMichaels right in the killing of amand Aubrey, who were found guilty on pretty

much all counts to the written House case right. And what I have said on wok AF so many times is that you know, White America loves to see this like kind of cancel out approach, right so that they can continue to believe that the justice system actually works,

when in fact it does not. Because the fact that we were praying right for a guilty verdict in the McMichael's case when it was so evident, right what happened, and that if it had not been for people uprising, for people marching right, that two da and the cops in Georgia sent the McMichaels home with blood on them, talking about go along with your day, right, there would have been no trial. There would have been no guilty verdict.

And I had to remind folks of that that wanted to say, oh, well, at least justice was served in this case. What the fuck are you talking about justice? Are you crazy? Right? And so you know, what are your thoughts when we have these two very clear cases. And again, Kyle Rittenhouse didn't kill black people. He killed

white folks. He killed the white folks allies, just like they were killing white folks you know during the civil the civil rights you know, bus tours into the South, ripping people up and tearing them off of the buses, beating the shit out of them, blowing them up. Do you know what I'm saying. So it's the freedom writers, it's the same, it's the same situation. And they weren't convicted then and they're not being convicted now. Yeah. Yeah, this is. I mean, all of that is true, all

of that is real. The thing is that it's hard for us to feel but so much relief from the McMichael's trial when we know that a man never should have been killed in the first place in your right. It was just really prayer and grace and intervention that those charges we've brought people had to go down to Georgia. And that's why the defense atternity didn't want any of

us down there. And he preaches any leaders, any civil rights folk, any activists, because if it had not been for that type of activism, that other prosecutor never would have gotten called out. This case would have never have

been seen. And it really been shade them because I don't know if you remember this and the timing, folks, our Bury was before Floyd yep now and people may not remember this now because we we would would you go back to remember it's stuck in the house, our Bury happens and that video was on a loop these and it really traumatized the whole country. I mean, I had white folks, I didn't heard the front of them

me years. I didn't heard white folks don't even like me, man, We gotta talk it's what you want to talk to me for. I can't believe this, this, this stuff still happens. Yeah, we've been trying to tell you all that, all right. I mean it really mucked people up, right, and then comes Floyd to just put the you know, put it the exclamation point on it. And then right after that Brianna Taylor. That was the summer y'all of twenty twenty um and as traumatic as those first Army and it

was so bad. Remember there was even a movement to get people don't show the video anymore. It's too traumatic, too triggering. It's dishonoring the victim about that because because maybe il Mobile put Im Matill's pictures out there for the people with world to see, so I don't there's a thin line between that and something else. But be that as it may. It was taken down and then nothing was still going to happen. Nothing was going to happen.

This is the this is the reality of everyday life in America that we have to pray that our sons and daughters are not pursued and killed in this way. It is that is something we wake up every moore and as black people that crosses our minds that this could happen this and then you, like you said, you get written house. Well, yeah, he killed a couple of white people, but these were people who were um demonstrating in support of Black Lives matter. Yeah, and he could

have very easily killed two black people. Could have killed anybody, and he might and others might. Ye, there may be more written houses because you you've even got laws now. One of the things colored change is fighting. You've even got laws now that encourage people to harm First Amendment protesters. That's scary. So how many amendments are there? How many amendments in the bill rights? I don't remember ten twelve I came in, Okay, ten amendments. I think, Um, this

ain't amendment two, three, four or five. This amendment one, very first amendment is the right to as symbol right one. They didn't put it on the list priority, they didn't put it down nine ten. It is one. And they're saying now that you can be a written house, you can you can kill they have a First Amendment rights protests, you have a First Amendment right to kill them. That's what happened with Heather Higher in Charlottesville, and that's to

scare us. And it is scared because anyway that could be any one of us, any the car can run over us in a demonstration. I mean that's I mean,

that's exactly what the santis. That's what he passed, right that if if if, if you are shutting down because what had become effective if folks remember back in twenty nineteen, twenty eighteen, what had become effective was shutting down the highways, shutting down the roads, you know, uh, in order to in order to protest, right, if I got to live a life of being traumatized, right, then I'm gonna inconvenience you. How about that? Because racism, systemic racism is fucking inconvenient

to me. Right. And so then you have all these slew of Republican governors and mayors being like, oh no, kill him, right and and nothing will happened to you. It's the same thing that Donald Trump had said at

his rallies during the twenty sixteen presidential election. Rough him up, kill him, knock him out, I'll pay your legal fees, right, And so that this is the thing when you said at the beginning, you know, we because we do not control the media, right, Black and brown people have always been presented as if we are the We are the violent ones that need to be subdued, that need to be put down, We are the animals. Right, But if you actually look at the history of violence in this country,

who the fuck is at the helm of it? From the trail a Teers to hundreds of years of it slavery right to then a hundred years of Jim Crowe. Who is the one that is wielding the power of terror and violence in this country? It is White America. But because they're the ones that are in control and are the ones that get to tell the narrative, that get to write the history, that get to decide who and when and how it's taught, they get to say

that it's us that we are. We we have to act in reaction to and in protection of our land, our home, our property, because without such they'll run them up. There'll be a whole revolt. Right. Why all the black kids can't sit together in the cafeteria, Why black people can't gather without being passed by police on the fucking street, going all the way back to slavery. No, No, because too many black people and brown people together talking, they must be trying to overthrow the system. And in this

fucking case, I absolutely am eh ah overthrow. I mean, because I don't know when we're going to overcome Mark, So so my feeling, right, You've been working to overcome, You've been marching and preaching to overcome, and I'm like, I am ready to overthrow because I I don't see I feel And this is you know, one of the last questions for you is that, like, do you see an option? As we are headed into this new year, to this election year, to this cycle, we have a

new variant right of COVID nineteen. We got federal judges that are blocking the president's vaccine mandates to just ensure that COVID continues to mutate on itself every single moment. Right. We have killers that are being allowed to you know, walk the streets in attend college and just act as

if all is okay. Right, we got gun violence running them up, I mean, we got abortion on the line, Like, where do you see because tell me, where do you see the hope As we're getting ready to turn this calendar year of our ability to fight back against what I am seeing as the inevitable, Well, I think that this is a very interesting question. You're asking the hope in our ability to fight back. Part of the problem and part of the culture in America is that it

promote and encourage promotes and encourages apathy. If we could get a vaccine for apathy, we could slay all these dragons. But but but we don't. We don't have one. And when the when those who are oppressed, be the African Americans, or immigrants, or women or LGBT who whatever group is dealing with oppression, and then the overarching oppression for all of these people. One of the things I think Bishop Barbera does is it point out how all of us

in middle class are really de facto working poor. So when you don't have anybody you're just trying to make it, it's even more challenging to fight back and do the very overthrow you're talking about. It. It's not always as many because everybody's just literally struggling to try to make ends meet. And that's how they control us. That's what capitalism does. We've got to figure out a way to enable people to get out here and still provide for their families minimally, but at the same time get in

the streets other cultures do it. We in this country somehow tend to be more placated by certain things that distract us from doing that. We look at the country trying where folks get down the street, they shut it down. What you're saying overthrow. We may have to get to that point, and it may take it may take role, because I do think women play an important role in this, because at the end of the day, if women got organized and mobilized, it would make a great deal difference,

especially young women. It may take something like road to get that done. But but there's the hope and the ability for me is that I know that we have the capacity to do it. The question is whether or not we have the resources and the energy. Just for example, and this is not what I'm about to say. It's not even revolutionary what you're talking about. And I'm totally

about revolutionary. But see even in my case, you know, when I was a younger man, not that I'm not still young, I would talk more and more about revolution. Ready for the revolution. That's how Climy Tira used to always greet people when he answer the phone, Ready for the revolution. Ready for the revolution. But when you're out here moving around. You have to stay within the context

of where the people are. Well, I was, we don't on people saying that, so what about Nobody else was talking about revolution, So we kind of had to work within the confines of what people will and capacity was okay, So now if we could just do this one thing, figure out a way for there to be universal voter registration, and by that, I mean if we we did it ourselves, like everyone just said, you know what, I'm mixture, I'm registered and I'm gonna go vote, and I'm not gonna

just gonna vote federal elections. I'm gonna vote down to the ballot. See we had voted more down to ballot. Yeah, we would control more state legislatures and then affect this redistrict. But we didn't have to compet the the the whatever the political culture is right now. It was too much. It's got trum tum trump, tump Trump, tump Trump. We got to get Trump out. There was not enough bandwidth for people to be organized and for people to receive We can you just do Trump. We gotta do the

state thing too. That was that was hard for people to get their minds around. Um. But if we stayed in the streets, if we made this country ungovernable and the people like us who are just just waiting, we're holding the fort until everybody else gets there. But we've got to get there. We people have got to figure out a where to get mobilized. And I think it's not it's not a scare tactic to say, y'all, we could be looking at Republican leadership, Republican control of government again.

We could be we always have controlled the Senate, I mean of the Scotus of the Supreme Court for generation. We could be looking at it in the House and Senate. And then I mean Trump could go back and win the White House again. Yeah, before we go sat the issue about that, what do you think about the way the media is kneecapping Kamala Harris. They want to make sure that somebody who looks like you but not even think about running for president or being the person to

succeed Joe Biden. Yeah, you know, I have been wondering for quite some time where the hell Kamala Harris has been? Right? I had joked and I had said, you know, on woke af many of times I'm just like, should we put her on a Milk Carton because I am unclear about what the administration is doing to utilize one of

their best weapons against the Republicans. Now, if folks remember that Kamala Harris's campaign slogan was prosecuting the case against Donald Trump, now there is no reason that following the insurrection that the former attorney general of the largest state in the country was not out front reeling again, railing against all of the Republican obstruction, the criminality, and allowing

her to do what she did across the country. To Bill Barr during his confirmation, hearing like, you think we're dumb, right,

you think that we're not paying at men. Right, they are not allowing her to do that, and it is the administration's fault because I'm almost like they wanted us to be really excited about the fact that a black woman, a woman of color, Asian Pacific Island or woman was going to be vice president of the United States, and then they wanted to hide her so as not to what remind white people that there's a there's a woman of color that is vice president a heartbeat away from

the from the presidency. So I'm like you, it is it's not just the media because this administration is not utilizing and now rumors are swirling. You have Simone Sanders that just announced that she's going to be leaving the office. You have Ashley etn who is her communications director, that is also going to be leaving. And this is just the first two a very high profile losses from the Vice President's office. So I'm saying to myself, what the fuck is going on? So on one hand, it isn't

just the media. The media is always going to do what the media does to black women and black people, right, like that's that is a given. But this is what is the administration doing to support and uplift and put her in a position to win. And instead of having this fraught, faux competition between a Pete Buddha edge right and a Kamala Harris, like who is twenty twenty four

going to be about? And I'm saying, she needs to take her voice back right and command a presence that is not worried about what the reaction is going to be from the right, but it is about what we are doing right now in the moment, in the present time, as they are stealing our democracy and broad goddamn daylight. Well, I know why you haven't heard it from and you know it too. They think about this. Just remind everyone. Right before she was selected, the characterization is made that

she's too ambitious. And if you notice ever since then, it's almost as if his deal was cut that okay, after black women and black men got together and said, that's out of the question, you better pick her now. So after he was forced to pick her because she was not the first choice by anybody on the Biden team, Okay, I'm sure deal was cut that said, now we do think you too ambitious. It's out there, end of public, so you better not be ambitious. And so she's she's

she was sabotaged from the very beginning. And and and can't really, I mean she is. And vice presidents of vice president. Vice presidents are going to vice president, right. Vice presidents do this. They the tradition is you just kind of stay in your place and you do whatever the president says. I get all of that. But then if you're a white male vice president, there's a runway that's laid out for you to be able to build a case for you to be the successor, all right,

and that opportunity is not there for her. The prominent black staffers that are leaving. I have no idea, but I think too it when you start out, um, eating the fruit from the poisonous trees. She's ambitious, then there's term there's a culture of term will. So you know, ambitious, ambitious and ambitiousness is a term that's used every day to kneecap black women. So it's interesting that these other

people are leaving or were they too ambitious? And and and and and and when she set that up, you know, they can't hire Daniel Moody Mills. Look how you talking on the show today. You can't go work in the White House if they think black women are too ambitious, and and I know what I'm saying is you couldn't go there and be Daniel Moody Mills. So so the question is, could could Kamala can't be Kamala? Could Ashley not be Askeley? Could Simone not be Simone? And you

just have a great big deal of dysfunction. But here's the other thing, as we know, um yeah, yeah, Politico, which has now been brought on control back conservatives, is leading and it's still considered one of the leading Beltway prognosticating or it's like you know the belt Way Book, the Oracle. Yeah, they have been consistently hitting her, hitting her, hitting her here, and we've even heard that black folk over there, who in order to keep their jobs have

to join in with that. And it's a struggle internally there because Political has made it their business to take out Kamala Harris. Now, to be fair, if I'm Kamala Harris and other people who support her there and you've got I mean, it's unfair. But if it's Simone Sanders and Ashley's job, Ashley at Tenney's job to fix that, to combat that, to come up with a strategy to end that, and people in there throwing blamee. That's that's

what coin Chell pro does. It has us all fighting against each other, right, and I'm sure that is what is happening because they have fostered that atmosphere. Political is foster the atmosphere in the West wing. So now they're probably people pointing, but you gotta do this, you gotta do this, you gotta stop this, you gotta stop that. And now mind you, it used to be a time when we get a phone call on wokf on making plain, Well, let's talk to Kamala Harris, let's get her side of

the story. But you know, let's tuck her away, let's not do anything. She is under ongoing, fierce attack. And that also makes the hiding, I think, unfortunately, self fulfilling prophecy, because you don't want to come out because you know, what did you say? She smiled too much? Or she didn't do this right, she didn't shake the hand the right way. I mean, it's it's they political is ready to expect it from Fox News, but political pounces on her every single day. And and let me tell you

something unconfirmed. I can't confirm this, but there are some rumors that Ashley and Simone were not They didn't just leave in a huff of anger or resign, that they were fired. And it was, and it was simply because of Washington calculus. If you're my communications person and you can't fix my communications problem, you lose your job. That's

just That's just what it is. And what I'm saying is, even if whatever the case may be, the problem is not internal to Kamala Harris or Ashley or Simone anybody else in the this he then it may be some folks on the inside, you know, because those are two black women hold out other folks in their way, and they'd probably some of the same people that came from the team. Even if it's one I'm gonna take it one mold who agreed with too ambitious. We didn't really

want her. We wanted Gretchen Whitman. We wanted would even take away from her. We wanted Susan Rice. That's what this was going. And so people are left back. That's what politics is. People are left then to sabotage you in your term. And then you know who knows, they may not even a person whose name and he may be low level on the totem poet. It keeps you know,

this and this instigation. So then you got black women being pitted against each other and it's just confusion in Politico some and somebody in there talking to political right. So that's not good. So I think that it's it's very complicated in you're right, it's it's unfortunate um um enclosing. Uh. There needs to be a cease and deceased to desist from a different culture towards this black woman vice president, from a culture of a regular every day white man

vice president. Treat her like that, treat her office like that, cover her the the way this would this? Did Algoy go through this? Did Richard Nixon go through this when he was vice president running againt John F. Kennedy? You know, I did Walter Mindale go through this? None of these vice presidents, Hubert Humphrey, none of them went through this. But as soon as a black woman comes in there, that did Kamala fire et Tna and Sanders did some did somebody else? Five? I mean, so it's it's a lot.

It's a lot. And and last I said, I know it's gonna say, but NI saying at the end of the day too, I want y'all think about this. That why the West wing sees bad publicity for a vice president. Also it's bad publicity for the incumbent president. And at the end of the day, that's his final decision. This is bad. So I need to nip this in the book because this is gonna be used against me because then the pressure is gonna come to drop her from

the ticket if he runs reelection. Put Boodhijair to somebody else. And I don't know, don't tell you right now, that's not gonna fly. Don't get me wrong. You know, I don't dislike Boota Jadge. You know, I think he has some qualities. He's a charismatic dude. It's very hard to dislike him. Um. And I think he's a worker. I think he will do carry out the assignment that is given of him. But wouldn't make him any different from um someone else who can do that, who is closer

to the base constituency of the Democratic Party. And and Buddha Jedge just has rubbed the African American community the wrong way. And then not and even if even if it was just benign and I think it largely is. He don't motivate nobody. He's not gonna peep. Oh my god, bad and Booty we gotta go get pee Booty and dud said, but what him you And I'm gonna tell you right now, Kamala had her worst day. Nobody's gonna stay if Kama did the worst thing she could do,

and she's not. But if she made the biggest mistake of vice president can make. No one is going up by Boota Jadge leap frogging her. No, no, and and at like not not not women rit all you know at large, like black and brown women, white women, like, no woman is going to turn around and be like, oh yeah, so yeah, leap frogged a woman and you went for the guy like that rubs us all the wrong way. Um Mark, as always, I love our supersized

version of plain as fuck of make it woke. I love our monthly crossovers, and I pray to God that we will still have a country um in a couple of weeks when we get to come back and do it at the start of twenty twenty two. Yeah, I hope so too. I love it too. It's it's always great. We have fun talking to each other. And frankly, I you know, on my show, I have guests every day, so I rarely get to express my thoughts and prognonstications on things. So it's a good sum for me to

do that, and so I do appreciate it. You're amazing. Happy Holidays. After she gets called for the overthrow of your American system of government. Merry Christmas, y'all, Mary grades wonderful. That is it for me today here folks on woke a f as always, Power to the people and to all the people. Power get woke. And stay woke as fuck