Party For One

in Trouble, streaming November seventeenth only on Hulu. Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay after Daily with Meet Your Girl Danielle Moody recording prerecording from our studios pot Stream Studios in Times Square, Folks, I'm really excited about the conversation that you're going to listen to today with celebrities dialist, makeup artist now author of the new book Dinner for One,

Lauren Napier. Lauren has a really interesting story, and what is interesting to me is that she calls herself a spinster by choice. She is somebody that has embraced her single dumb not only embraced it, but wants it right. It is not by virtue of oh, I didn't find the right person, or I've been on the hunt a long time. I think that you're going to get a lot out of this conversation with regard to how we

talk about ourselves and our relationship with ourselves. For the past couple of months, right, I've been trying to bring us some more wellness into the conversations of what it means to be woke. And when I came across Lauren's book, I thought to myself, dinner for one, how fascinating, and why let me tell you a little story so you all know that I was married for a very long

time and at the beginning of the pandemic. Actually, January of twenty twenty was the first time that well I had asked for a divorce, but also had moved out on my own, and I'd never lived alone before, and I know, pause for shock. The reality is is that I had gone from my parents house to college. Then after college I lived with best friends and roommates, and it wasn't until I met my ex wife that then I would move in with her. So never along that

journey did I live alone. Did I even experience really what it was like to be alone because at the ripe old age of twenty three, I got into a long term relationship that would turn into a marriage. And so when I came across Lauren's book Dinner for One, it brought me back to the first several months of

being alone. And now this is you know, right at the beginning of COVID, which would happen in March of twenty twenty, and it would bring me back to living at home with my parents so that we could all be together as my mother was recovering from brain surgery. But what came up for me during the first couple of months and then when I would move back to my apartment, was I had shifted my mindset about cooking

for myself. You know, when I was alone, when but married, or when I wouldever find myself home alone, cooking was the last thing that was on my mind. I would order take out, or I would eat a big bowl of popcorn and wash it down with some wine, and I just it didn't feel like I was worthy to slave in the kitchen for an hour or two hours to come up with something to make. And then, by virtue of my divorce, I started to realize that I

was worth the time and the effort. And so I started to make wonderful meals for myself, not because I thought somebody would be coming by, or you know, or I just decided that I was worth it. And I remember taking my first picture to send to my mom to say, look what I made today, And she was like, who is coming over? And I said, I made it for me and she said, I'm so proud of you. And I think that Lauren's book is a way for people to give permission to themselves that you are worth

the time and the effort. That if you can make these elaborate meals when you have company or for your spouse or you know, a partner, significant other, then why wouldn't you put the same investment in yourself. Why do we think that when we are alone that our body should be filled with greed send nonsense because and only we're only going to go shopping and go to the food store, oh if people are coming, and so dinner

for one. And the conversation that you'll listen to with Lauren, you know, was it's revolutionary if you really think about it. We sell women, and I say women in particular, we sell women a bag of fucking lies all the time. We tell women that you're desirable until you hit what thirty five, and then all of a sudden, it's you need to get married, need to have kids, and you need to hurry up and do it soon because nobody's gonna want you. Then when you approach middle age, right

in your forties, then people are looking at you. And if you've never been married, or if you're married and divorce, it's like, oh, nobody wanted you, or if you get divorced, oh why did they get rid of you? It isn't about empowerment. And Lauren and I will have this conversation as it retains to men. Men can be single, they can be bachelor's forever, and they are applauded for it. Look how distinguished, Look how you know, just care free and wild this person is. But women get the title spinster.

So what if you decided to own that that instead of us believing that we're just you know, waiting for that special someone to come, that we actually enjoyed our time with ourselves, that we decided that instead of reading all of the self help books about how to find this man, or think like a man, or think like a woman, or this, that and the other thing, and let me go and swipe and swipe and swipe and be validated by the likes that I'm getting or the

engagement that I'm getting. What if we just learned how to like ourselves? And it sounds crazy, but this is something that for me, and I've talked about this before, that the pandemic offered. It offered me the opportunity to fall in love with myself, figure out what I like, right and why do I like it? And recognize that the thing that I feared with divorce, which was being alone and how people would perceive me. Oh my god,

she now carries the label divorce. Ah. Right, that I learned to enjoy being alone, the thing that I thought that I was so afraid of, has now become one of my greatest comforts. I like walking around my home and looking at my plans, or deciding to just sit in silence or play classical music or just be without having to explain myself to another person or make time

or make space. The space is just mine. And I literally go through waves of guilt where I need to remind myself that I don't need to be doing a damned thing that I can just enjoy being with myself. And I love Lauren's book. I mean, first of all, it is self published and it's the most beautiful book that I've seen. The pictures are just so vibrant and colorful. And she'll say in our interview that one of the things that got her into wanting to cook is that

she wanted health and wellness. That when you're walking into the grocery store and you're seeing these bright, beautiful colors, right that you want them on your plate and you

want to take them in. So, you know, folks, I think that if there's anything that you can learn or take away from the interview with Lauren, it's that we need to change the narrative that society has been feeding us about where we should or should not find value, and that it is not being single is not one step, you know, in the direction of marriage or partnership or

what have you. That for some people, they're designing the life that they want, and everyone should have the opportunity to do that without having to apologize for the decisions that they make about their own life. So I hope that you enjoy the conversation with Lauren. Drop some thoughts in the comment section. Have you ever cooked a lavish, beautiful meal for yourself and if not, why has it ever crossed your mind? I'd love to hear from you, so do drop a note in the comment section, Folks.

I am very excited to welcome to okay f for the very first time author, celebrity, makeup, artists, stylists, just I mean traveler extraordinaire Lauren Napier, who is the author of a new book, Dinner for One, which, let me tell you something, the one where the eye is. I'm like smart, this is marketing. I love it. I came across the book book and by a virtue of a

friend of mine who was just like Danielle. You have to have Lauren on your show, I mean her Instagram, her life, her story is just It's one your audience will really enjoy. And like you say that you are single by choice, Laura, what does that mean for you? Just that single by choice? I enjoy my life as it is. I'm not constantly seeking that validation or relationship that is outside of myself. I enjoy being with myself.

And that's something that I really learned during the pandemic is that you can really explore who you are and have a level of fulfillment with just you. And so I did that and I pursued that, and I thoroughly enjoyed the experience in every way, whether that was just like really getting in tune with my boy and understanding my body, exploring, exploring, just going exploring my thoughts on a deeper level, spending time nourishing my body a lot of it. That's where the concept of dinner for one

came from. Was Like I have a almost like erotic obsession with food and pleasure, and I thought like, let me just explore this, let me understand this, let me let me feel all of the feelings and emotions and the things that come along with like having time by myself. And I think so often pre pandemic right BC, before COVID, Yeah, we all were like I just need more time, I need time, time, time. And then we got this gift of time, and then people didn't know what to do

with it. They felt really lonely and afraid to be by themselves and like really dig into who they were. And I mean I was like, have at it. You know, It's what I did. And you know it's interesting because one of the conversations that I had a lot on WOKEA f really is about the fact that people were really lonely. Depression skyrocketed, anxiety skyte for a host of reasons.

But I also think it is by virtue of the fact that, especially in cities, we kind of live on a treadmill type of life, right, I mean, that's why you move into metropolitan areas, and so when you then get to stop, right, And I said this a lot that I believe that for me, the pandemic was a gift, right, And I say that with a lot of privilege, having lost family members to COVID, that it was a gift because it really allowed me to stop the noise around me,

and it really allowed me to understand what is important. Right, Is it the likes? Is it the clicks? Is the TV hits? Or is it like my family, my friends who are who are my real friends in real circle? And so for me, the time by myself and you know, and I was quarantining in twenty twenty with my family. But it was so eye opening. And I love the fact that you saw it as an opportunity to delve into yourself as opposed to oh my god, I'm alone, and I guess I'm just gonna have popcorn and wine

for dinner every night. Yeah, you know, I will say this. We all are sitting here. I think a lot of us are coming from a place of privilege, right and our experiences during the pandemic. So I too want to say that I would be remiss or not being truthful if I didn't say that I didn't experience anxiety and I didn't experience like confusion, stress, loss, loneliness like I did experience some of that because I took the pandemic incredibly seriously, so I spent a lot of time alone,

But I think it was important. It's important to also I think I went through the confusion just like everyone else did, in the shock, and of like in the intensity, just like everyone else did initially, But because I find myself being in tune and being comfortable with myself, it was very it wasn't as hard to get into that mindset and that state of mind of just relaxing, taking the moments to just really fully embrace what was happening

and embrace the quiet. And I've had a life that's been very go go go and very intense, and so I needed to be still. I needed that and I took the time to really sit in it. It's important to just sit and pull, just take advantage of the stillness. What what had this idea of you say? I think it's on your website that you are a spinster by choice totally and do you say spend the right choice, single by choice? What brought that about? I find that

society and our culture really wants us to couple up. Okay, care up. And it's funny because I have a wall in my apartment. It's called the Me Gallery. It's me. It's literally three huge pictures of myself. And somebody came over and was like, do you feel ever like it's arrogant to have pictures of yourself? And I thought, I said, no, absolutely not, because if I were married, you would expect me to have my wedding pictures, and if I had a baby, you would expect me to have pictures of

my child all over the place. I get up every day and I work every day, and I do all the things that I need to do for myself, and therefore I celebrate myself and I can admire myself, and I could admire the work that I do and I don't think that we should be criticized for that. And I also don't think that we should be criticized for living our lives independently. You know, fulfillment for me is not or the idea of fulfillment is not a huge family.

A Fulfillment for me is like getting up and being able to do whatever I want to do whenever I want to do that. And I think people think that that's selfish, but it's it's it's life. It's me being able to live my life as I choose it, with no obligation to anyone else. And I think we are so we are so it's ingrained that we that we should partner up and pair up. And let me also say this, I'm not saying that I want to be single forever. You know, partnership is something I think that

by human nature, we all want. What I'm saying is, if you are single, be happy in being that until you find what it is that you're looking for. Do you have to actively seek it? No, Like, you can be happy with yourself and those things will come to you. But the quest that we are so often on to find that partnership, I think it's I think it's a bit dangerous. It's not only as it's force fed to us.

It's f fed through Hollywood, romantic comedies, sitcoms. All of these things tell us that if you were single, there's something wrong. There's something wrong with you, there's there's really not. When I was a kid, people would say, like, I never wanted to have kids. I never wanted to have kids. As a matter of fact, when I was in school, I didn't like going to school, And then as an adult, I thought, if I have kids, I got to go back to school with them. I don't want to do that.

Oh my god, that's totally used to that second half of your life in classrooms, but in a different capacity, but also dealing with the same crap, which are like adults who haven't taken the time to like unlearn their bad behavior on So I don't have any desire to do that. And I have a niece and a nephew that I absolutely love and adore, and I have spent a mini school plays and recitals and scrolls out all of the things, and I love them. But I love being able to choose when I do that. I don't

want to be obligated to do that. And I feel like people the reality people like resent their kids. Yeah, but that you know, because again, we don't offer the space to have those conversations and to have that narrative, Like, no one is ever going to ask somebody do you wish that you didn't have your kids? Right? Well, because if you say, but okay, are they honest or are they like Lauren, why are you asking me that question? Of course I love my kids. I didn't ask them

if they love them or not. But I have honest conversations with my friends. The one thing people used to say to me when I ask the kid was or younger woman, was if you when you have kids, you'll love them? And I'm like that, I don't think it is true. I don't think that that's something that's true that people talk about. That's how kids end up in trash cans. Like that is the reality. That is something

that we really need to discuss. And I think, you know, there's greater conversations to be had, like conversations without abortion and demonizing that and demonizing like the choices that women have to make for them selves. And I also say this, like, I don't think that for some people, abortion is a hard choice, you know, like the politics. We talk about it all the times. A hard choice. It's a hard choice for some people, and some people it's a no brainer.

Sometimes you just have a good time and something unfortunate takes place, you know, Like I think, and I'm saying this, and it seems very flippant, and you guys don't know

me fully as an individual. So I don't want to come off as callous, um um or insensitive, but I think we really need to start having honest conversations about what our society looks like and why women feel like they the end all be all is like a marriage and kids and a family when sometimes they can Nobody says that to bachelor's no, because you can be an older gentleman, right, distinguished, distinguished, older gentleman that just never

wanted to be tied down. Yeah, and that is something I remember what movie is it, Something's Gotta Give with Anne Keatman. She said, they write books about men who are single. They tell you show movies about men that are single. But it's the spinster, right, who is is the woman that has looked at that? It's like, oh, nobody wanted you. The definition of spinster is a real has such a negative connotation to it, and I just thought, let's change the direction and let's change that word altogether.

And that's why I call myself like, I am totally a spinster by choice. Um. And it's like a woman's I think it's something like it's a woman of a certain age that's no longer desired, desirable, or it's middle aged. Yeah, well I'm but middle age. I'm like, but I'm like, that's what they tell you. It's like, you know, And

it was really interesting. I was I was watching another show recently with women that were over the age of sixty and they were taught, and they were with their with their daughters, Um there you know, their young daughters, and they were saying, you reach an age in society where you become invisible. Right where I could be sitting with my daughter at dinner, you know, who's in their twenties and I'm in my sixties, and no one will approach or talk to me, just to her as if

I don't exist. Well, I remember very well, and I will say I think I've had I land in a really interesting time, like in this life and generations of people and of women and how we have evolved, Like I had Oprah as my role model. I was growing up watching Oprah who was single. Yep, you know she is single, and she's well not single, she's partnered, but she's made a very clear choice not to marry to marry um. And then I've seen women like Hallie Berry.

You know, Halle Berry is beautiful and she obviously wants to be in a relationship, and she has so many things to offer, and she's this fabulous, phenomenal woman with all these accomplishments. She's been single, you know, she's she's experienced waves. You know, I think of of course, like my brain's like at a loss, but they're Tracy Ellis Ra. She's a fabulous example. Or you know, I look, there's so many different women, not just black women. No, like

you mentioned Diane Keaton. Yeah she's one. But I go back to you saying women who are invisible at a certain age. I remember watching Oprah and I remember Civil Shepherd having a conversation and remember Moonlighting. Oh my god, you was the star. She was, she was themazon. She was in a whole lot of things, and she was single, and she was explaining that she was out with her daughter and men used to just fallow over themselves for her. And she was sitting with her daughter and she's like,

I'm the famous one. People were supposed to know me. Nobody's looking at me, nobody's talking to me. And she found herself being envious and jealous of her daughter. And I thought to myself, what if? And I was I was maybe twelve when I was watching this. I don't know that I was young, um, but I remember that, and I just remember how how just kind of sad that was. For Yeah, how just absolutely like sad it seemed.

You know. I also think too, why what you are doing and why your book is so interesting too, is because there's also another level of societal pressure that is put on black women, right, so you know what are the stories? Oh you know, you'll you'll be alone forever. Nobody wants to none of these things. And so it's like for you and the legions god willing of other women of color who are just like you know what,

this is actually a choice that I'm making. And I'm not just saying that to put on like I'm making a choice that society doesn't get to dictate how I live my life or if I am lovable because all of the conversations and the images that we get seen that are thrown at us are about how unlovable we are. Well, I mean, yeah, I think that that's definitely it's it's true of what society throws at us. But at the

same time, I have never subscribed to that idea. But I've not subscribed to like anything I think that's really conventional or traditional m And I think you have to be okay with that, You have to be okay with not subscribing to those things. It's it's hard though for black women, I think, and I don't want to speak for all of us, no, I can speak for me.

We're we are faced with a lot of challenges and we're faced with a lot of imagery that is one either that we're unlovable, or we're oversexualized, or we're just like aggressive, strong, independent and don't want love and don't want that nurturing and that our standards are too high and you just need to And the situation I want to say is that you know, black women are the

most educated demographic in the country. We are, you know, while albeit there's the economic disparities with you know, equal pay, which what was that two days ago, correct, yesterday, we're experiencing we deserve all of the things that we want, and for so long we've been told that we don't deserve them. And for I've just always been of the mind that you create what you want for yourself, and that's what I continue to do. That's just the philosophy

and ideals that I subscribe to. It's like, I will create the things that I want for myself, and if that involves another person, then they're very lucky to get to enjoy this space with me because I've created such a beautiful life I can tell you that. So I am recently divorced, and I say recent, it's been probably two years, right, But I was married for fifteen and one of the things that kept me in a relationship that I knew was not what I needed it to be as it was as it was ending, was the

fear of being a divorcee. Was that I I mean I was. I have been in therapy, right. My therapist is wonderful and literally helped me through getting to the other side of that feeling and that fear. But it was just like I felt like a failure. Right, how do you go about creating this life and then it doesn't work out, right, and then now you're starting over in this new decade and this new time, and the title that you have is divorced, say, and I really like I took it to heart. I kept saying, who

is going to want to date me? Right? I don't even have like, there are no kids, there's no nothing. But it was it was the And I think about it now two years later, and I'm just like, why did I think that my mother was divorced and and married my wonderful stepfather. And so it's not as if I didn't have models for what life looks like after divorce, right, or for those that don't remarry, because I have no desire to, right. But it's just like the weight that

I carried, the embarrassment. And I think that it's similarly for some women who don't see them selves in the way that you do, which is like, no, I love this, I love my life. I think that again, you reach a certain age and people are like, well, okay, if you're divorced, that means that somebody wanted you at some point, right, and it just didn't work out. And if you are single this entire time you really are looked at is

if you have a problem, you are. I mean, I'm not going to people will listen to this and they'll hear me talk and they'll you know, make this assumption that I'm very selfish or self centered, and that's not really the case. And so I want to also just it's not that that women should look at themselves if they're single, that they are unlovable, but that that's what society is going to say. That's not the case. Again, We've got to shift the narrative and shift the conversation.

Is that what you wanted is something for yourself, and that's what you're creating. You are creating exactly what you want. I know that there's the the feet, not the I guess it is fear. It's a fear of yes, being called divorced. But I you know, it's hard for me to speak to that. I grew up in a household with a mother who was divorced as well. She also remarried, but she was from an era where that was a choice.

That was a choice you needed to you needed to be married, you know, in order to feel fulfilled as a human being. And I think that's what we need to get beyond is that you are you can be fulfilled as a human being, as one person, as an individual. I think about my friends who are unmarried, and I've seen very healthy marriages, and I've also seen very unhealthy marriages. I've also experienced loss with friends and family too, of

their partners and spouses. It's hard. That's hard, and that's that's a completely different conversation that you have to have. But I will say this, this is why I wrote the book and why I created it because I am a single woman um and I'm single by choice. My sister during the pandemic got divorced, and my mother during the pandemic lost her husband to COVID, So all three

of us are single for three very different reasons. And what I discovered in the conversations that I kept having with between my sister and between my mother was that we have to embrace, albeit as challenging and as difficult as it is for each one of us individually, because we were all having this like very crazy collective COVID experience, but we also are having unique experiences, and for each one of us, we were doing it alone, and we were doing it alone for the first time, and the

goal was to tap into ourselves and enjoy and learn and discover and be okay and forgive whatever it was that we were going through so that we could be okay as ourselves, as individuals, as one person, because if you're not okay with yourself, then you don't have the ability to move forward, you know. And that's that was the conversation that that just it just kept coming to me, you know. And there's so much more that we can

get into. I mean, but you don't, yeah, because I'm saying, like the thing that I find too again from for this time for me during COVID. So I'm similar to your sister, right. It was, you know, the beginning of twenty twenty, I moved out on my own for the very first time as a grown ass woman. UM never lived alone because went to college, had roommates. Then you know, fell in love and then moved in together and that

was life for fifteen years. And I think that what is really important and it and it sounds cliche, It sounds like those spiritual memes that are sent around that I love, but that UM that are about like you really do have to love yourself. You really do have to take care of yourself. And it's why you know your book just the pictures of let's talk about the pictures and how beautiful. So how did it? How did

it start? That? You said? I mean, again, I love the way that you think, and I love your mindset. But there are other people right who for them. If I'm having dinner alone, I'm getting chopsticks and I'm eating out of the out of the box. If I'm eating dinner alone, maybe I'm not having dinner. Maybe I'm having a kind bar and I'm going to bed. And I was like that until I started to sit with myself and think about why am I not worth the effort in the time that I would put in for other people?

And this that was my journey through twenty through twenty twenty, was well, now I am going to be cooking for myself right, Um, friends may or may not come through, But so am I to eat popcorn for the rest of it? Because that was when I say that, because that was my go to food. But I so for me, it's like I looked at the pictures and I said, this is gorgeous. You are worth that you are. I mean,

here's the thing. Every night I'm already a person who enjoys food and experience and esthetics like that is my vibe. I'm like a wellness person. I'm a makeup artist. I live in New York City, Like my senses are constantly being stimulated. And what I felt was because we could not, we were not experiencing that in the same way. I

was not going to deprive myself of that experience. And again, that's what I want everyone to do, is never deprive yourself of something that is good for you and feels good. This was something that was impacting my mental health, my physical health, just all of those things. And I thought, I will create an experience. There's one thing that I have to do every single day, that's one thing that we all have to do every single day, and that's

nourish ourselves, feed ourselves and eat. And I thought, I will take the time every day to do this very kind thing. I always had a flower arrangement because nothing makes me happier than like flowers and beautiful balloon arrangements. But couldn't do the balloons every day, but I was able to do flowers. And you guys, I think too. I'm a whole food shopper. Okay, flowers or like seven dollars a bunch. If you can do that for yourself, do it. They last all week. It's something that's really

just a gift to yourself. It's something living, it's something breathing. It's something colorful and beautiful that you can bring into your environment, into your home space. So that was where I started. But the next thing was to create something that tasted good that also had some nutritional value to it.

I again am beauty and wellness person. I'm also over forty, so it was important for me to be eating healthy, but to be feeling like what I was eating was really tasty and yummy, and I could feel the flavors and experience the flavors, and um, I'm Southern, so I can cook cook, you know, I cook cook and food food and food food. And so I was giving peach cobbler.

I was giving like all the different foods, but I was doing it in a healthy way, a way that was centered around like portion control and also respecting relationships with food. Like my mother, my grandmother grew up during the depression era, so she likes to buy like canned foods, and those were my That's how I learned how to cook.

But I also was able to incorporate the things that I know now about wellness and well being and taking care of yourself fresh foods and how that impacts your skin and how that impacts your different organs and you know, all of those things, and incorporate that into the recipes. So I did that, and I ate colorful foods and delicious, delectable meals that I could I just can't. I just consume them, right, It's just everything about them. I was

experiencing the food. So I allowed myself to have an experience against every night, and that's what was important to me. I had to do that for myself to survive this whole experience. But what it did was it just taught me, like you, when you take care of yourself, you feel good, you know, like so you feel good. And so I think that is what has allowed me to one come out on the other side of the pandemic mentally like

saying healthy and then physically healthy as well. But I, like I said, I have this obsession with food and I just love it, and I feel like with every bite there's so much level of satisfaction that you get from food and from consuming something that just tastes so good and something that you've created for yourself. So that's

the concept. I mean, it's beautiful. So at the end of my shows, which I've been trying to do because I rage against the machine all day, I've been trying to do a woke moment of wellness, right, So, because I actually have a wellness expert with me, what would you what what advice do you give to people that are still maybe at the beginning stages of this self care of their self care journey, about how to make it consistent, about how about why, especially now in the

times that we're living in that are so unstable, that are so so tenuous on our mental health. What advice do you give for them? One thing I can say is uncertainty is certain. Like if you can accept the fact that you won't have the answer to everything, the plans that you made might change, I think it's easier to accept it, and I think it's easier to process it. And then I think, don't be so hard on yourself.

If you can practice steps of wellness, they lead to greater steps of wellness, you know, And I think too for a lot of us, we don't know everything for all of us. We don't know everything, but when it comes to wellness and when it comes to like health, we're all learning and we have to learn. It's incremental progress of what works for you. So try things, but don't be afraid to try, and don't be afraid to fail. Nobody knows everything all at once, and you don't have

the anthraveld one. So I just I think it seems like my wellness is very regimented. It's not. It's very casual, but it's casual because I've slowly implemented into my full lifestyle. And I think that's what that's what we have to do, is not be hard on ourselves, but slowly implemented to where it just becomes something that you do for yourself every day, Like making dinner for myself every day that was, you know, colorful and healthy and became second nature. Folks,

You're worth the time and the beauty and the self care. Lauren, thank you so much for joining okay at Folks. The book is Dinner for One, go get it. People loved it so much that you were back ordered yet so now and so but but I couldn't believe it. You guys so well it's self published, which I think is a feat in itself because I've never the venture that I've never ventured out on. But people bought it like crazy,

and the printer ran out of ink. I didn't know, like there's supply chain issues everywhere, specific color for the book, so I had to wait. Everybody had to wait. So you know, order it, get your copy, yeah, and follow you on, tell them on all the socials. I have a very very quiet following on Twitter, but I follow everybody else. It's so good. But it's Lauren Napier on Twitter, it's Lauren Napier on Instagram or Lauren Napier Beauty where you can find like all of the wellness things, and

then the book is at Lauren Napier dot com. So super easy. It's all in the same place. Wonderful. Thank you so much for having me, Thank you for joining. Appreciate measure. Thank you as always, dear friends. Power to the people and to all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.