MAGA Wants War

And while the Department of Justice has issued indictments charges sentencing against the quote unquote foot soldier of the insurrection, those people that were physically inside of the building, and then they have extended to those people that were not

physically inside but were indeed coordinating. We have seen sedition charges put up against members of the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys, and yet, dear friends, as Glenn will tell us in our upcoming interview, none of the actual suits, as opposed to the boots that were on the ground,

have been indicted. Glenn and I will get into a conversation about where we are right now as it pertains to Donald Trump and the stolen classified documents and the fact that Judge A. Lean Cannon is a Trump lackey has no business having the position, the lifetime position that she does have that Mitch McConnell and Donald Trump stuffed down our throats after Donald Trump lost the election. She

was obviously placed there for a reason. And I say to Glenn, what is the fucking point of us as a whole people who actually believe in the rule of law, people that are forced to follow the rule of law while others that are rich, white, wealthy, siss hetero do not. How are we going to seek accountability and justice inside of a system that is already rigged? This is my

real fundamental question. If you know, and if there are other legal experts on both the right and the left that are saying that Judge Cannon's decisions and even her written opinions are motherfucking suspect, then how were we continuing to operate above board when we know that these people are doing everything in their power to thwart the rule

of law and to ensure that Donald Trump never sees accountability. Now, Trump most recently was on Somebody's right wing bullshit talk show where he stated unequivocally what sounded most definitely like a threat to me, where if in fact justice does begin to rain down at some point like a mighty stream that the people, the American people, he says, will

not stand for it. Well, what people? Because a majority of Americans, not your sycophant twenty five percent, but a majority of Americans actually know that if they had a quarter of the crimes or thought or perception of the crimes that Donald Trump has committed, they would be under a jail. So how is it then that Donald Trump thinks that a majority of Americans are gonna what? As Lindsay Graham had also threatened take up arms to defend

this piece of ship. I mean, maybe they will, but I know this, this I know for certain in my heart, and I have been thinking about this, folks, and I have been meditating on this. They want war. I have said it on this show a number of times. I

have said it on television. Marga wants war. And I don't think that they will rest until they get their war, because they are so goddamn trigger happy, right, wanting to take down any black and brown person that they see, wanted to shoot up women, wanting to do all of

these hateful things. Right, But they ain't gonna win. I don't care how many bullets and guns that they have on their side because, as doctor Britney Cooper had said many many months ago on this show, they can't kill us, all right, And so my feeling about their very bold, threatening language that they have continued to use, readying their folks in this new era of stand back and stand by.

I'm telling our team pay attention, keep your eyes wide open, keep your chin up, keep your back straight, because they ain't going to win. I don't know how long we will be in this fight. I have said that I believe that it will get bloodier before it gets better. But I'm telling you they will not win. Coming up next, my conversation with our friend host of Justice Matters and MSNBC legal analysts Glenn Kirshner to delve into all of

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look at how and why these topics matter. Listen to Beyond the Scenes from The Daily Show with Trevor Noah on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast. New episodes every Tuesday. Folks, you know that whenever we have the opportunity to speak with our friend, the host of Justice Matters in MSNBC legal analyst Glenn

Kirshner to work us through our legal woes. I am greatly appreciative, and I say legal woes, Glenn, because right now, as a sign says, behind you, we're trying to figure out in America if justice actually does matter. We're trying to figure out if there is any integ already left in our Department of Justice as we are continuing with this dance with this BS that is happening down in

Florida with Judge Cannon. The latest, well at least the latest that I know, but I know you'll give us a deeper overview, is that the Department of Justice has said okay to the Trump judged, one of the two judges that they have put up to be a quote unquote special Master. Again, I don't even understand what we are doing here when the Department of Justice has already gone through the documents that they took over a month ago, that they took back over a month ago from Donald Trump.

So give us an overview, Glenn as to where we are with this nonsense, because I don't know what else to call it other than that, Yeah, boy, and we got woes, you know, and I do think there is plenty of integrity at the Department of Justice. But there's too damn much timidity at the Department of Justice. I don't know why they are declining to indict criminal charges that we all know there is adequate evidence to indict. Maybe we can circle back to that in a few minutes.

Let's take on Judge A. Lean Cannon, the completely unqualified federal judge that was installed by Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell's Senate after Donald Trump lost the election. So she was put there for a reason, and now she's doing precisely what Trump and McConnell had hoped she would do, make illegitimate rulings to protect Donald Trump. That's what she's doing. And I don't say that lightly or cavalierly. So you know, there's so much to dislike about how she's handled this litigation.

Donald Trump stole classified information, top secret materials, national defense documents, which is why this is also an Espionage Act case, and information about the nuclear capabilities of foreign countries. He stole it all, then he illegally concealed it at Mara Lago, including after it had been subpoenaed. The fact that he violated that subpoena gives rise to an obstruction of justice charge,

which is a twenty year offense. And then when the FBI seized it all, took back the stuff he stole from the government and began to investigate Donald Trump's crimes, Judge Alien Cannon swooped in and entered a stop work order. You may not investigate the crimes of Donald Trump as they pertain to these documents. That's insane, that's arguably beyond the powers of the judiciary. But that's what she did.

And she said, So, what I'm going to do, because Donald Trump has asked me to, is a point a special person, a third party, somebody independent, to go through all this stuff and see if the FBI and the Department of Justice should really get to use this evidence that Donald Trump stole from the federal government to investigate the crimes of Donald Trump. Another level of insanity. The Department of Justice said, well, first of all, Judge, we've

seen it all and that's important for our purposes. But now what we need to do is investigate what Donald Trump did with it so we can determine just how badly he's damaged our national security. Let me give you an example to just bring it home concrete. If Donald Trump took a classified document, stole it from the White House, folded it up, put it in his breast pocket, brought it tomorrow Lago, and never showed it to or exposed

it to anyone. Well, that's an investigation that the FBI would have to conduct, and then they would hand off the investigation to the intelligence community, the CIA and the like, and they would assess the threat and the damage to our national security. Now, I think we can agree that the threat might be very low if they could prove through an investigation that nobody saw it after Donald Trump

took it to mar Lago. That same document, Donald Trump steals it from the White House, goes down to mar Lago, and starts letting our adversaries see it, copy it, snap pictures of it. Maybe he sells it to our enemies, leverages it for a favorable business deal. Well, then if the FBI conducted that investigation and learned those facts and pass them off to the intelligence community, the threat to our national security might be extraordinarily high, and our overseas assets,

their lives might be at risk. Judge Cannon said, you're not permitted to do that investigation. That's insane and dangerous. She's facilitating Donald Trump's compromise of our national security. Now what the Department of Justice said, as well, you know what, Judge, you're blowing our minds. That's my interpretation of their pleadings,

all of which I've read. But if you feel like there has to be this independent, third person special master to review some of the stuff we took from our lago some of what we took might have some attorney client privilege information in it, not the classified documents, other stuff that we seize during the execution of the search ward that we were authorized to seize, and we've already segregated that out with what's called a privilege review team.

The Special Master is welcome to look at that and see if we should be able to use it in our investigation or if it enjoys attorney client privilege such that we shouldn't be allowed to use it. That, Danielle is actually the appropriate use of a special Master. And the judge said, yeah, I don't care. I don't care what you filed, I don't care what Trump's team filed.

This is the way it's going to be. So the Department of Justice said, well, we're appealing the whole ball of Wax to the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals because Judge, you're out to lunch. Factually and legally, here's what she said. Let me just finish. I know, I'm finish. I got eight questions. Yeah, the most absurdain thing I've ever heard of federal judge saying. She said, we know that the government asserts, the Department of Justice claims that there were

a whole bunch of classified documents. Sure, we've seen pictures of the classified banner with everything else redacted out of many of these documents that were taken from Donald Trump's office, not from a storage room. And we know even Donald Trump's defense attorneys have never have never claimed that he declassified anything. They've never made that claim in court. They said he has the power to, but they've never said he has declassified anything. She then said in her written order,

I don't believe. I don't believe there's even classified information there that echoes a Donald Trump talking point. Well, many people are saying nothing was classified. That is the most insane thing I think I've ever heard out of the mouth of a federal judge. She doesn't believe, she said, I'm not willing to accept the Department of Justice's representation that there were classified materials there. So here's the thing, Glenn, and I appreciate the overview. So here's one of the

billion questions that I have. First of all, we know that Judge Aileen Cannon should not have this job. We know that she is I'm going to use the word corrupt. And why do I say that? Because she was appointed after Donald Trump lost. She has no resume that matches the position that she is going to behold and for a lifetime appointment, and she is using Trump maga QAnon talking points in her own writings. We know this, So you tell me why the hell there isn't an investigation

and a case into this judge. Why do we just accept accept the fact that we know that there are a myriad of judges that have been appointed simply for the protection of Donald Trump, And we say, those of us that believe in the actual rule of law are like, oh, well, I guess there's nothing we can do here, and we just continue to operate above board, knowing that everything is

actually stacked against us with this band of criminals. You know, Daniel, I wish I could give you a satisfactory answer to why the Department of Justice doesn't rise to the challenge

of take on corrupt judges. Now we have seen that they apparently are unwilling, as is Congress to take on corrupt Supreme Court justices, which you know has the potential of wreaking so much havoc in our country, like I don't know having women's constitutional privacy rights revoked, right, but we seem entirely unwilling to take that on by opening hearings, I would call them impeachment inquiries to investigate what it is that Thomas and Alito and Kavanaugh and Coney, Barrett

and Gorsuch did when they misrepresented their true views about Rowe versus Wade in their confirmation hearings under oath. That doesn't guarantee that if we open those hearings we tackle that hard issue on behalf of the American people. Doesn't guarantee that the House will pass articles of impeachment, but if they do, it also doesn't guarantee that the Senate

will convict them. But if we don't take the first step on the road to accountability, then we've already lost the battle, which is precisely what you just were asking about. Why are we unwilling to take the first step on the road to accountability that I don't have an answer for. I wish it would change because it I mean to me, I guess because I operate in reality and on Earth one.

It does not make sense for us to continue. And I mean us as part of those that are into the Department of Justice that are not a punch a part of Trump's lying like criminal syndicate. How are we pursuing accountability and responsibility and we're hedging our bets on people that were installed to block that path altogether? How are we continuing to say that, oh, yes, we're going to bring the best case possible if the decision has already been made before you open up your mouth and

present your evidence. If a judge is sitting there and saying to you, here are folders that literally friggin read classified information, and then you have the audacity to say, oh, but I don't believe that there's class that's like me, say, okay, I don't believe this guy is blue. I don't believe water is wet. Right, just because you are not operating in the place of reality doesn't mean that that's where

the rest of us are. And I just don't understand how we think that we are going to hold onto our democracy and our institutions if we are not literally digging down to the core and getting rid of all of the rot. I don't know. I'm with you, and you know, something needs to change. I think one of the one of the areas where we can be somewhat

hopeful is the upcoming mid terms. I mean, I think there is reason to be more hopeful now that we're gonna get you know, a something of a blue tidal wave, and the decency will be rising in America after that. But you know, decency rising is important, but accountability rising is more important. And that's what we need. You know, we need people who are willing to take the fight to the bastards, even if, even if we are not

guaranteed to be successful. You know, people when they took on the J six Committee public hearings, people were like, well, that's not gonna matter. Nobody's going to get impeached. Congress can't prosecute anybody. All of that is true, and yet look at how important those public hearings have been to expose to the American people the crimes of Trump and company. That's very much a hearts and minds campaign, and if you can convince the hearts and minds, then maybe an

unduly timid DOJ will follow with criminal charges. Here's my question, Glenn, though, with regard to the January sixth committee hearings, and we know that there is at the end of this month, we will pick up where we left off at the beginning of the summer. You know, they are doing a masterful job, as you're saying, in terms of presenting the evidence to the people, and as if the American public are the jurors right to really understand and sift through

this information. However, what I keep hearing from people that listen to my shows and follow me is that, yeah, Danielle, we have these we have this pile of evidence. If it were me or you, we would be in jail already. So what good is this if we're doing if this is just for pomp and circumstance and nothing that they believe is actually going to happen. And again, the more evidence that comes up, the more things that we learn about what Donald Trump has done and the inaction that

is taking, just continue any with quote unquote investigations. People are losing faith and so my question for you is, do you think that there is potential that the January six committee hearings will actually backfire in terms of presenting again this mount everest worth of information and then there's no prosecution on the side of the Department of Justice that actually has the power to prosecute. I'm not worried about it backfiring because even the transparency that it's bringing

to us, it helps. It will help in the midterms, it will help us understand the crimes of Trump and company, and I absolutely believe it is moving the Department of Justice prosecutorial needle. We have seen DJ, excuse me, We've seen the j six Committee investigate certain areas, expose certain crime and what are we here. The next thing we know DJ is subpoenaing those same people to testify before the grand jury. That's an indication that they're criminally investigating

and moving toward prosecution. Now let me use this as an example. I did a video last night that was a little dark because I wasn't finding much optimism on the horizon yesterday and it had to do with Mark Meadows. So we just learned that the Department of Justice issued a grand jury subpoena to Mark Meadows, the highest Trump official that has been subpoenaed to that criminal investigation. Yeay, I thought right, and then I read precisely what they

subpoened from Mark Meadows, not testimony. They subpoened the exact say wait, stick with me, though, this is where I was last night, exactly where you are. But I tried to step back into my prosecutorial days and figure out what was going on. So they subpoened exactly what Mark Meadows previously gave to Congress text, messages, emails, that whole thousand plus trunch of stuff, documents and messages and evidence.

And I thought to myself, Okay, that doesn't really forward the information ball because Congress already has all that stuff from Mark Meadows before Mark Meadows jumped off the cooperation train and said, I'm not abiding by your subpoena for testimony for which Mark Meadows should have been indicted, because that's contempt of Congress that was referred by Congress to the Department of Justice for prosecution. And DJ said, yeah, we're not feeling it. We don't care that a crime

was committed by an executive branch official against Congress. A coequal branch of government. We ain't indicting him. That is some bs right there, and that still angers me. But let me go back to the original point. I thought to myself, well, why would DJ only subpoena exactly what

Congress already has here? Is why if we're building a criminal case in the grand jury, we don't want to be in a position if we have this great evidence, like incriminating text messages and emails from Mark Meadows talking to other Trump co conspirators and Trump, maybe Trump himself, we don't want to get that evidence from Congress. Why because then you have a chain of custody problem, and it's harder for us to introduce those things into evidence in court. We need to get them from the hot,

grubby criminal hands of Mark Meadows. So they subpoenaed them directly from Mark Meadows, which does away with a chain of custody problem, where, oh, great evidence, We're gonna go get it from Congress and it's going to go through several hands and even though it originally came from Mark Meadows, we've got it now. That's an evidential read problem. So the way I read this subpoena, which on the surface

seems like less than DJ should be subpoenaing. Is they're doing it for evidentiary reasons, I would perhaps be doing the same thing. Of course, I also would have indicted Mark Meadows long ago. So in terms of the other the rest of the cabal of surrounding Donald Trump, John Eastman's phone was also subpoena It isn't that correct? Right? Let me ask you this. I mean, I know that we're not tech people, but how are you subpoenaing themand's phone over almost two years later and thinking that this

hasn't been wiped? Right? Like I just I'm confused about the timing and it being the only thing as opposed to I'm subpoena in all of your electronics, you know, Like I what do you make of that? Two points two observations? One, electronic footprints are forever. So the fact that there was stuff that we know should be on his phone that he deleted, that's actually incriminating information. But more importantly, John Eastman's crimes didn't stop on January sixth

or January seventh. He continued, I'm convinced to crime, to cover up, to lie, to be engaged in a conspiracy to get away with the crimes he committed in trying to reinstall Donald Trump unconstitutionally for a second term. And all of that stuff continued. It continued, I believe, until the moment they seized his phone. So we don't know the precise scope of the criminal evidence that served as a basis for the search warrant. But I would bet a buck that's my betting limit. I'm not a high roller.

I would bet a buck. It ain't just the stuff from January sixth. It is everything else John Eastman had been doing up until the moment a federal judge ruled found there's probable cause that there is evidence of crime in John Eastman's phone. Right now, FBI, you're authorized to season. Okay, last question for you this week, speaking of phones, where

are we with the Secret Service? You know, and the fact that they had phone messages that were available on January fourth and fifth, nothing on the sixth and seventh, But we pick right back up on the eighth they say, oh,

we had a server transfer. They're supposed to be an investigation into there to understand whether or not Cassidy Hutchinson, who testified before the January sixth committee and said that there was indeed a scuffle between Donald Trump and Secret Service when he demanded, because I am the President, to take me to the capital on January sixth. He ends up tossing catch up in the White House? Where are we with that investigation? Or again has that fallen by

the waist side? As far as far as you know, So, I think Zoe Lofgren in the last day or so announced that there have been a ton of Secret Service text messages and related information pouring in to the January sixth committee. Apparently they've been found Oh yeah, that this was broke recently, and they said, and she said, there is a lot of stuff that is very enlightening in there. So the natural follow up questions are, one, do you think you have it all? Or might the Secret Service

have selectively held some back? And then two, why were you told in the first instance none of this stuff existed? It was deleted and it was irretrievable. Somebody lied to Congress about that. But listen, at least now they're getting the information and they're going to have to pour through it. And I suspect we're going to be hearing more about that in the next public hearing. By the way, let us let us show you what's some of these Secret

Service text messages on and around January sixth reveal. Glenn, if you had to take a guess, and I know that you're not a gambler, but if you had to take a guess on some of the highlights that you think that we will hear on September twenty eight, what do you think that they're coming back for season two of the Trump indictment Conspiracy? What do you think they're

coming back with? Yeah, a great question, And I think because we have been flipping members of these white nationalists and white supremacists and hate groups, the three Percenters, the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers, and we've been flipping our way up the chain, it looks like I think we're going to hopefully begin to hear more about the pipeline

between these hate groups and the White House. And that pipeline runs through the Willard War Room, through the Giuliani's and the Bannons and the Stones and the Flynns, and it goes to Mark Meadows and it goes to the President.

I think we're going to begin to hear more about that, at least I hope we begin to hear more about that, and gosh, dang it, I hope we start to get some indictments of some of the suits of the insurrection, not just the boots of the insurrection, because every day we are imprisoning folks who attack the capital, and yet we have not seen one second of accountability for any of the suits of the insurrection. And I hope that

that's coming. Okay, Glenn, Yeah, let me tell you. As always, I cannot frankly, I cannot wait until our conversation that comes following the next hearing. I know that we have a couple of weeks yet, but I'm really looking forward to that conversation and what we are going to hear. But as always, we appreciate you making time for Woke FP Daily and we will see you again next week. Great being with y'all, see you next week. That is it for me today, dear friends on Woke f as always,

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