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away from them. And maybe that is human nature, right, But for years, for years, the Republican Party has been talking about the way in which they want to return this nation to what they believe is its puritanical, white evangelical Christian roots. That they want a nation that abides by their Bible and their interpretation thereof. And they've been using the courts, and they've been using schools, and they've been using all sorts of avenues and strategies and order

to accomplish their authoritarian, fascist Christian rule. And yet all of these years, all of these decades, Democrats have continued to believe that Republicans are their rational ideological adversaries, that these people with their white supremacist ideas, and their anti every single thing, just listed, anti women, anti black, anti Asian, anti Latinas, anti Muslim, like, just them all down that somehow they were worthy of being considered rational or people

that are open to collaboration and compromise. And it is now, as we have seen, the Court, the Supreme Court become weaponized, a weaponized tool of the radicalized right, that all of a sudden, everybody, including the democratic establishment, is waking up and saying, oh my god, how did we get here? Oh my god? But do you know who doesn't seem to still have a sense of urgency? Joe Biden, the

President of the United States. Now I did a TikTok video and again, if you don't follow me there, you should. Danielle Moody underscore where I had just finished reading an article in the Atlantic, and the article is Joe Biden running out of time, And essentially within the article it discusses the fact that the author of the piece doesn't believe And I will say that maybe I agree that anyone else could have beaten Donald Trump in the twenty

twenty election. And I know that everyone has, you know, their own opinions, but I believe I did not want Joe Biden to be the nominee because exactly how he is showing himself to be now, which is weak, subservient, and you know, a statesman from a long forgotten time at that moment, I don't think that this country would have taken anybody else, and obviously they did not. But what the article in The Atlantic goes on to question is whether or not Joe Biden is the president that

can actually fight against Trump. Is M not just Donald Trump the man, but Trump is M the affected ideology?

And I have to say no, he is not. What we have seen is really outwardly from mostly the women and the people of color and the younger people, whether they be in the Senate or in the House of Representatives, like Senator Warren or Representative Alexandria Cassio Cortez in the House, saying all of the things and providing all of the avenues that if this president were aggressive, if this democratic establishment were aggressive and fighting fire with fire, they would

do and they're not doing any of it. I mentioned to you that in an interview with CNN's Dana Bash, the Vice President Kamala Harris, when pointedly asked, people already showed up for you to vote and they are expecting you to do something, And her response to that was do what exactly. Well, my fucking god, if you are going to act so incompetent and so weak, then maybe you shouldn't have the job in the first fucking place, because stern words and wagging fingers and fucking prayer is

not saving us. Expanding the court will, ending the filibuster, will finding out the creative ways to provide abortions to women and people with uteruses in now the twenty six states that have outlawed abortion will. Not only has this Supreme Court overturned fifty years of precedent, they also turned a hundred over a hundred year precedent with their denial of New York States ability to issue its own laws

around concealing carry. Then they went so far as to give the middle finger to the fucking planet and say that the EPA doesn't have the power to be able

to enforce emission standards. So, not only do they want to make America more dangerous for women and people with uterus is more dangerous so that those that carry guns have more rights than those that do not also unhealthy, because we already know that the myriad of fucking storms, whether they be fire season, hurricane season, tornado season, are

at all time historic levels every fucking year. So if you know this, and you know that there is no slow down with this six to three court, why would you not start talking strongly and not start creating a war room around How you fucking turn this nine person court into her thirteen person court and level the fucking playing field right and extinguish the power of Alito and Thomas and Gorsich and Kavanaugh and fucking Barrett from being able to destroy this country one fucking decision at a time.

This is not, and it should not be fucking rocket science. When your enemy reveals themselves to you, you do not turn your back because they would quickly shoot and stab you in it. You don't say, oh, I'm not opting into this fight when your enemy has drawn the lines of the battlefield quite clearly for the world to fucking see. So, as Joe Biden, the right president for this moment is Nancy Pelosi, The right speaker for this moment is Chuck Schumer.

The right leader for this moment apps a fucking lutely not. And so then the question becomes who is and is it time that the pall as somebody had asked me that we're listening to the show, sent me a DM and said, Danielle, I don't understand why there is a lack of urgency and passion on the left. He said, in France, they don't like what the fuck the government is doing, and they take to the streets and they burn shit down. Is it that there is a fear

the question was a fear that we are outgunned. I don't know, honestly, I do know that what I would rather see, rather than people burning down their own cities and towns, is that I would much rather see a national fucking boycott organized that says that ain't nobody going to work, right, Not your fucking grocery, Not your quote unquote essential workers that we were willing to send out in a pandemic with their less than minimum wage that they were receiving so that the rest of us could

stay cloistered away in our homes. Not the essential work Nobody, not the fucking teachers, not the doctors, not the nurses. Ain't nobody going to work? I would rather see an organized national boycott to disrupt this nation's economy and to remind our fucking overlords who are who is actually in power. I would rather see that happen than riots in the street that only will last for a couple of days, and frankly, more of us will be killed than on

that side. But let me tell you something, the direction that all of this is headed in is only headed in one way, which is towards violence. It's not a matter of if, it is a matter of when. And that's what's concerning me is that Joe Biden and everybody around him seems to be operating on a different fucking planet than the one that we are all living in

right now. Coming up next my conversation with our our friend Danielle Campomore, who is the Today's show journalist covering abortion and covering Roe v. Wade, and she will discuss, frankly, the devastation that women and people with uteruses are feeling across this country, the fact that for the first time ever in our lives, our children, the nation's children, will have less rights than their parents and grandparents, and what we are essentially setting ourselves up for in the future.

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has been on this show. My god, Danielle, you've been on this show over I think the entire time that I've had woke af which is pushing five years now, But this is the first time that we are speaking and a constitutional right has been taken away. For the past several years, you and I have spoken about the potential right of this moment, about what we feel that Democrats need to do in this moment. But now the

moment is here. So before we even jump in, I just want to ask you, person to person, woman to woman, how are you doing? Thank you so much for asking me that. I mean, it's overwhelming, And if you talk to anyone who has followed access to abortion care in this country, they'll tell you that this is not a surprise but nevertheless, it is no less devastating to the people that it impacts, particularly blackgrown or in rural people.

But this is not a surprise, you know, anyone in the abortion field has been stounding the alarm, and so if anti abortion people who've told you told me, told everyone that this is what they were fighting for. But I think one thing that's taking me back, as someone who's covered this, and also as someone with a capacity to get pregnant, who has been pregnant, is that while we knew that this was coming, the the impact of it,

the reality of it is no easier to swallow. And so it's been a hard week, and especially when you listen to people that this is impacting the most, and the stories of people being turned away, and women who are experiencing pregnancy complications and are being denied care or their care as being you know, prolonged in some way out of fear that the doctors caring for them will be criminalized. It's hard. It's hard to stop, you know.

I M we have all heard the stories. I think that they were written down in our history books about what happened pre nineteen seventy four, and the fear and the reality being that abortion does not stop because the Supreme Court has overturned the constitutional right to bodily autonomy, abortion just becomes unsafe, right, And so, what do you believe then, are the actions that this administration should take in order to codify ROW or should have taken, because frankly,

they could have codified it ten years ago in the Obama administration and they didn't. Right, well, I think at first it's important for us to all acknowledge that we

are not going back to a pre road day. The advent of medication abortion will make illegal abortions safer in terms of a person's physical health, they will not be safe in terms of criminality, and that is where we'll see an influx of black and brown people, and they will be an influx of mothers as well, since the majority of people have abortions, and moms will be criminalized

and then will be jailed. And so between that and then the fear of not being able to access adequate care if you have a miscarriage, for example, in ectopic pregnancy. That is where the physical danger comes in is doctors afraid to provide care. As for what Democrats should have done and want to and should or me to do now. All the people that I have spoken to, and these are people who have been either really politically involved or

now this is there. What is driving them to be political now is expand the court it is and the filibuster it is, require and demands that people in the Democratic Party support access to abortion, no if ans or buds, and if they don't, get them out of office and elect someone who does. When I was in front of the Supreme Court on Saturday, every single person that I talked to said, do not tell me to vote. I did. What are you doing now? Because I did vote, and

I am here right now. I've been protesting. You know, they were kids there with children who this is, you know, a four year old. It was their third, fourth, fifth protests. You know the parents are taking them continuously. So we were making our voices heard and we're voting. Those of the two things you tell us to do, we're doing them.

So what what are you going to do? That's what people are telling me, And I think that is what a lot of people are demanding of anyone in office who says that they care about bodily autonomy, specifically the Democratic Party. You know, I just find it so frustrating.

Because Vice President Harris was on CNN a couple of you know, at the time of this recording, it was a couple of days ago, and when asked by Dana Bash whether you know the people want you to do something and you have you have the Senage, you have the House, you have the presidency, and you're not doing anything, she said, do what? She said like, her response was

do what? And I like lost my mind listening to the Vice President of the United States essentially say that she doesn't have any power, that the executive branch doesn't have any power. And so if the people on the ground are as frustrated as we know that they are, because we share their frustration, what do you think this looks like? And I mean, you know, the question that I was asked on MSNBC a couple of days ago was, Danielle, you know the Democrats want to focus on quote un

kitchen table issues and inflation and gas prices. This is the anger and outrage going to sustain itself to mid term elections. And so I will tell you what my response was, but I want to hear what yours is to that question. My response is the response of anyone that I've ever asked when it comes to what's going to drive them, what's important to them, especially parents, because

that is my focus at today dot Com. And every parent tells you there's no more bigger than table kitchen issue, the ability to cide, win up and how you start your family. What else is there other than a person's ability to be able to make those decisions with their doctor, with their spouse, with their family members. And it trickles down to I mean, there were moms who are talking to me, this is also about my ability to be financial,

to make financial decisions, financial freedom. I talked to people said, look, if I wasn't able to access abortion care, I would still be tied to someone who was abusive. Who would be This is about personal safety, It's about you know, there is no other kitchen table issue than bodily autonomy and the freedom to make your private medical decisions for yourself. And so really I think that the kitchen table issue phrase is code for affluent whites issues that might matter.

So people who think that this doesn't impact them, that they will still be able to access care if when and how they need it, and so they can focus on inflation because to them, they don't think that this is something that will them or their family members, And if you look at statistics and studies, that's just not true that you know want and for people we need an abortion, and that is not including people who need that care comes to any sort of pregnancy complication, actopic pregnancy,

or businesscarage. So that would be my answer. There is no bigger table issue than access to abortion. What did you make you know? And Danielle I offered the same thing. I literally said the same thing. I said, I don't know what are we what we're talking about here? If you're talking about economic issues, I can see no other economic issue than the ability to family plan. Like, if there are more children at your table, then there are

zeros in your check. I'm confused about how you're going to be able to provide for those kids, particularly when we are you know, when we have a government and a party that is not interested in providing childcare, tax credit, paid family leave, you know, universal pre K, that is not interested in doing any of those things. So what are you offering right to these people that you are

now forcing to give birth? That's what that was. My response is the same as yours, And so what do you like, what did you make then, given all of this, what did you make of the President Biden's addressed to the nation following the Supreme Court decision? Did it hit

the notes that you needed it to hit? Well, I can tell you from the people that I talked to, you know it didn't because and it was very interesting because everyone said, I already know what he is going to say before he said it, and they said, he's going to tell me to vote, And of course that is what he did. He said you need to vote from November. And people just do not want to hear that because again they did vote. These parents, these families

voted in the middle of an ongoing pandemic. They brought their children into because they couldn't get time off work because voting is on a national holiday in this country, and so it just goes back to again, they want to see more, especially when to your credit. You know, when we talk about the economic fall out of access a limited access to abortion care, we live in a country with a pay gap where mothers get paid less

than fathers, but there's actually a motherhood penalty. For every child that a mom has her she actually loses money. She misses out on opportunities for growth within her area of work. And so just statistically, you don't have to look forward to see just how this will impact every

ass aspect of a person's life. They have the ability to get pregnant and do when they don't want to or am ready Moore, And so it just goes back to you cannot continuously tell people to do something to keep you in power if you do nothing with that power. And that's born out of the conversations that I've had with people, is why am I doing the same thing over and over again when I'm watching my so my friend co workers lose rights in the process. And we

started this conversation. Is the first time in the history of this country a Supreme Court has given the constitutional right only to take it away. We are about to tomorrow will be a week where more than half the people in this country have lived without the constitutional right to bodily autonomy. A week we have lived with less rights than our parents and our grandparents. When we think about that, that's catastrophic if you really sit and just think about that, and so just vote. It's hard for

many people to stuff. I don't know, Danielle, where we go from here? Because I said, you know, it was it was the Monday after the decision, and I tweeted and I said, this is going to be the first Monday of a generation of Mondays that are hard to get out of bed four right, And as I listened to you, and I think it and it really is cemented into my understanding that this generation, this young generation Gen Z, is going to have less rights, less access

to equity. Then the quote unquote greatest generation that this country loves to bring up. Then you know, then the baby Boomer grandparents and you know they're Gen X parents, And so I what are what are the options? Because what I keep hearing from the administration is that they

don't have any. We just need to vote. What do you see as a handful of the options that the strategies that this administration could take today if they had the will Well, I think again, it just goes back to the conversations that I've had with people who've been in this space, who've been fighting for access to abortion care, not just abortion care, but really just for expanded and access to any kind of reproductive, maternal and mental healthcare,

including pregnancy three, nadal care, paid family leave, all the things you said again that this country doesn't provide yet they in a handful of states will not force people to give birth and so UM, when you speak to those people, the answer is very clear. It is and the filibuster, expand the court quotify row and then from the bully pulpit, as the president of the United States, hold members of your party accountable. But that's not um,

you know, an outlier in politics. History has shown that plenty of presidents have been able to hold other, uh you know, members of their party accountable via the bully pulpit. Um. Miss McConnell does a very good job of it within his party to a certain degree. I'm in a way that someone might argue that Democrats certainly do not UM, but I think that you know, the study show that the lowest uh you know, amount of faith in the

Supreme Court right now. And you know, I talked to a couple outside of the Supreme Court on on Sunday and they brought up when we took their phone, went to aocs on Instagram and just started clicking. She's saying what we can do? They wouldn't line by line, and you know, this is what we kind of want to see she's telling us the plan. So there are members, I think in the Democratic Party that have more concrete plans, whether it's aoclist before, it's also been very vocal as

a plate and concrete steps. It sounds like the party just needs to listen to itself, and surprise, surprise, it's women, primarily women of color, who were leading um but that conversation, who have plans in place. If members of the party

would just listen to you know. The other coded conversation that is also happening with regard to this countdown to midterms in five months is whether or not suburb in and I use quotations suburban women, which is called for white women will show up at the polls and this will be the issue that they show up for. Now, Danielle, I will say that fifty three percent of white women voted for Donald Trump in twenty sixteen and fifty six

percent of them voted for him in twenty twenty. So what expectation, level of expectation do you have that somehow the loss of this constitutional right is going to change their minds and change their change their voting pattern. That was one thing that did strike me to be you know, to be very very honest. It struck me as a little bit of a surprise when I was on the ground in in DC in front of the Supreme Court.

Is there were a lot of white women who were very quick to honestly admit that they for the first time, don't feel safe even if they came from a progressive state that has shored up abortion rights, because they they share with me is I always thought that Row was selled, that Rowe was protected, and if Roe was protected, then

I would be protected. And I think that a lot of white women that perhaps thought that they could vote for Donald Trump and it wouldn't affect their ability to access abortion carepay needed, or starting to realize that's not

entirely the case. Regardless of where you live. We've already seen an influx of people going to those progressive quote unquote blue states, and with that influx, it's pushing back, you know, abortion scheduling, so that people who live in that state are having to wait longer they're they're going

to be inundated. And if the Republicans take the House and the Senate, they've made it no secret that they are going to try and pass nationwide abortion band so whether you live in California, Oregon, Washington, New York, Connecticut will no longer matter. And so perhaps this is a wake up call for those who didn't listen to the voices in rural and for and predominantly black and brown communities who have said, look, ROW has existed in name

only for us since its inception. Maybe they're starting to realize that that what we thought was settled is not. There is no solid ground now it can crumble from underneath you at any moment. It remains to be seen, and I think that's going to be before itself out in the power in my opinion of storytelling, and that does go back to, you know, being on the ground.

And there were so many people sharing their personal stories, so many people who were reaffirming the will to have difficult but they considered to be difficult conversations with people sharing their stories with members of their family that perhaps they didn't know that they had been impacted by abortion

pair in some way. If people are willing to have those conversations personally with those in their circle, perhaps things will change, because I think that is far more powerful than listening to those in positions of power who as you can mentioned time and time again, have not done that much to change the trajection. You know. The other thing that I had been thinking about too, is the fact that even in that speech that Joe Biden gave following this um abomination of a decision, he did not

have the word abortion. So how important for you, for for for for the movement? I should say, how important is it for the movement at this grave juncture that we find ourselves that this administration utter the words right? Um? It does? Does it matter at this at this at this late stage. Well, I think anyone who's finding for any human right will tell you that it does. I mean, just look at the don't say gay bills that are talking up in various days to listen to the youth,

to the people that this is impacting. The most name will tell you it absolutely matters. You say, you know, we call it by its name, You say the word um, and so yes, who should be able to say abortion as the leader um of the most powerful country and the planet of who are one and four people have abortions? Where abortion is tantamount in terms of ability to maintain caraby of pregnancy and to grow and expand families will

he I don't think that he will. I think that we've seen that even the fall of a constitutional right own change the Venaco, this president and those within this cabinet are choosing to use. But I'm also you know, listening and reporting and speaking with people who don't care that they're really leading on their own communities. Now there's

little faith that this administration will do much. So they're looking inward and looking internally, looking at their neighbors and their friends, and are really focused on building community and within that sharing stories and saying abortion out loud. And so I think that if there is a change, it will be when this administration sees the power of community and people who are willing to do the work, and

perhaps then they'll jump up. Danielle, last question for you, you know, I guess what do you feel right now about the future of this country, knowing how radicalized this Supreme Court has become, how personally I believe that this administration to be ineffectual, How confident that you are that this decision has shaken the foundation of people's understanding of freedom, And whether or not they will actually take the necessary

sustained action to hold elected officials, including this president accountable. Well, I come at this as a reporter and a member of the media, and there's been lots of conversations, you know, from me to Black Lives Matter to now about our rule of it. And I think that one of the important factors of really establishing where this country goes the trajectory that we take is our ability to the truth

and to speak truth to power. And so if this administration is going to shore up what fifty years of press legal president decided was a constitutional right, it's going to require bravery and people speaking truth to power, and in that means you call a lie a lie and

you say the truth. And unfortunately, we've seeing whether it was January sixth, to the ways in which media covers abortion of both sizing, both sizing certain things and highlighting voices that are inaccurate, that are false, that are just straight up non nonfactual under the guise of neutrality and appearing non products. Soon while you know, make no problems about it, there are plenty of people who are very happy that we are coming up on a week without

the construal constitutional right to access abortion. For there are plenty of people who argue the bus families safer There are plenty of people who say that this whole harm people who are pregnant in any of them here that they need. But that's not the facts, none of the actual those beliefs are not rooted in fact. And so what I'm focused on is making sure that we as members of the media meet this moment with facts, with evidence,

that we do our job to not make things worse. Yeah, I mean, I think that the media's obsession with both sides is um is why we are in this position to begin with. It's why Donald Trump became President of the United States. It's why they believe that an overqualified woman for this job shouldn't have it. The media is, you know, the third est state, right it is that

body that bears responsibility for educating the public. And so at this critical juncture, it's like, are we going to continue to go off of a cliff or will they pull the reins back and realize and assume the responsibility

that they have. Danielle, I just again, I thank you so much for the work that you do on a daily basis, for being on the front lines of this fight for bodily autonomy for abortion for so long, and appreciate all of the time that you've taken throughout the years to educate the woke af audience as well as myself on what needs to be done. Just we greatly appreciate you in sending you love, strength and light as we continue to traverse through these really dark times. Absolutely,

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