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since the insurrection. When the calendar year changes, we will be looking at the one year anniversary of an attempt to overthrow the government. And I don't know about you, but I sure as hell don't feel like our Department of Justice, this administration, the legal system in general right have done their due diligence and operated with a sense of fucking urgency that an attempt to overthrow the government

and any other goddamnation would have received. When I announced and shared with you all the fact that IDA a nonpartisan organization, international organization that has been following for decades democracies that are in danger, that are struggling or numbering the amount of autocracies and authoritarian and dictator regimes that are around the globe because it signals there are red flags and alarms that go off when you realize that there is a global shift that is happening. It isn't

just something that is happening in the United States. But when this organization that has been doing this type of research for decades, for the first time ever names the United States of America as a backsliding democracy and it is not receiving wall to wall fucking media coverage the way that every cable outlet gave to Trump for free when he was a candidate, and then continued to do so after he became president, and even still was spreading racism, xenophobia, misogyny,

you name it, he was doing it, and they still gave him airtime. But when an international organization that labels right democracies authoritarian political regimes around the world says that in twenty nineteen, it became apparent that the United States was visibly deteriorating, that is what the report said. Again, you would think that alarm bells would be sounding, that there would be some type of, you know, force behind this administration to not only fucking roll out policy, which

is important and I'm not saying that it isn't. But what difference does it matter if we are building bridges and fixing subways, if we are living in a fascist regime. What difference does it make right if we are talking about structures when the actual foundation of our democracy is crumbling underneath our feet, and no one seems to really give a shit that they still want to believe that

we're going to have a functional midterm election. I want to tell I want to alert you all to something that I came across on Friday of last week, and it was tweeted out by the president of the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, Cherylyn Eiffel Folks RNDA Santis the death Santis, the governor of Florida, is looking into and has made suggestions around creating a civilian army that only he would control. That would be the Florida Army that would not, as

he stated, be encumbered by Pentagon oversight. He rolled this out in a way that one if they wanted to not pay attention to anything that has been going on in Red States since twenty twenty and before that, right with Donald Trump at the helm. He says that in order to combat increasing hurricanes and storms, that we need

essentially our own army and battalion. But then he also said that we need this as protection against the federal government against a kind of socialist right what he alluded to regime Ron DeSantis is saying out loud what all of us have been saying who have been paying attention to the fact that these motherfuckers want a civil war.

This is why they are hailing the Kyle rittenhouses of the world, because they are hopeful that with an acquittal right with a non not guilty wasn't even an acquittal with a not guilty verdict for murdering two people and wounding a third, that they can begin to recruit right these people to bear arms and take up arms against their own country. They are telling you with over three hundred voter suppression laws that are at four hundred by some calculations at this point in the past fucking year.

On top of four hundred voter suppression laws, now you have a governor of one of the largest states in the country saying that he wants to build his own army that only he will control, that he can then deploy said army against our national army and troops. I want you to wrap your fucking minds around this. Eleven months after we had an insurrection where these people who actively beat, terrorized and killed members of the police, which they want a chant blue lives matter until blue lives

are inconveniently in their way of hanging. The vice president right, have received months in prison, maybe a couple of years. And now you have a governor that is telling you that he's going to build his own army. Who what do you think is going to happen next? Right? What do you think that is going to happen in Georgia? Right?

And in Texas? And all of those people that wanted to play G I Joe on one six right, many of which we learned were former or current military, former or current police, who are just itching to take up their arms, take up their arsenals, and take down as many people as they possibly can. And then they will say, well, we were acting on what orders from I guess what, Ron de Santis, the president of Florida. This is where

this shit is headed. And you know, I continue, people are like, no, the Supreme Court's not going to take away Brown versus the Board of Education, when in fact, in her fucking confirmation hearing, Amy COVID, Barrett made mention to the fact that Brown versus the Board of Education wasn't settled law. The law that desegregated schools in the

United States, she believes, is not settled law. So if you're looking at the actions being taken by the Supreme Court, because you're paying attention to what Gorsich and Kavanaugh and Roberts and COVID are saying, and then you're looking at now the announcement that Ron DeSantis is making in Florida, and then you take into consideration all of the voter suppression laws. I mean, my god, it is not a backsliding democracy. It is not a democracy. We are headed

into minority rule in this country. This is American apartheid that they are setting up where you will have no legal fucking recourse because they have bought all of the judges. So just again, take a big picture look at what has been set up since early two thousands, since the Obama error. You had Mitch McConnell hold a Supreme Court seat hostage and say that he's going to make this

president a one term president. He holds a Supreme Court seat hostage four nine months without any fight back, pushback or legal action taken by the Obama administration. They just shrug and fucking take it. Then you have the installation right of a Donald Trump who stole the twenty sixteen election because don't make me believe right that Putin and others who we learned did in fact interfere with the election, didn't place Donald Trump in power to begin with, right,

So that's number two. Then you have number three, with three hundred federal judges being planted around the country by Mitch McConnell, many of which who I continue to say the American Bar Association said they were unqualified for these lifetime positions, and there are folks as young as thirty fucking five that received those appointments. Ask me how many fucking federal judges Biden has sat as we get ready to come up upon the first year of his administration.

You have that, Then you have a global health pandemic where you have a party that has become a pro virus death cult. So that's going to continue to run rampant. And now we have a new variant that we need to wait about four to six weeks to figure out if it's going to be more deadly, more transmissible, if it's going to evade the vaccines, if you're going to need to get a booster now every fucking six months,

every four months, who knows. But this is all a part of the Republican master plan and to make just to put insult to injury, Mitch McConnell then turns around and announces, guess what, Republicans don't have a platform for the midterm elections. They have no policies that they're going to offer. I want you to understand that Republicans haven't offered a policy to the American people, any type of legislative agenda. I don't even know if they did so

in twenty sixteen. So we're going into what four five six years of Republicans being like, well, our base doesn't give a fuck about policy. They don't care about what is being provided by the federal government. They're only focused

on what is being taken away. So when we get news right of the likes of Jeffrey Clark, who's an official in the Department of Justice who wrote a memo to undermine the election, he essentially was the white collar worker working to undermine the election and have it have it thrown out. While their minions were using flagpoles and

hockey sticks to beat down the walls of the Capitol Building. Now, Geoffrey Clark, according to our friend Glenn Kushner, who we will hear from in a little bit, is on the verge of pleading the fifth as to not incriminate himself.

But we've all seen the letters that he put out in battleground states because Donald Trump said, we just need to have, you know, just some suspicion or some doubt that there is fought in the election, even though we know that there is none, and then my Republican friends

in Congress will handle the rest. Folks. We have all of the information very clearly laid out in front of us, But we have a toothless and spineless Department of Justice and an administration that wants to believe that they're operating in the twentieth century instead of recognizing that they are no longer working with the Republicans of yesteryear that they can debate with ideologically and then go and have drinks with after. These are people that are sharing images of

killing another member of Congress. These are people that are literally stalking their colleagues around the Capitol as a way to intimidate and terrorize them. These are people that are showing up with guns on their hips. And now you have a governor who will probably be one if Trump doesn't decide to run in twenty twenty four, will probably be one of the Republican potential candidates for president, saying

that he wants to create his own fucking army. But we're gonna sit around and debate about the fucking filibuster. That's what we're doing. That only now after we recognize that there are but a couple of months until June when the decision will come down from the Supreme Court that Roe v. Wade is done. Now Democrats want to

hear and hum about possibly changing the courts. But instead of taking action in the way that Republicans continue to take action, they're just going to have a conversation about it. I am so fucking sick to death of everything that

I am seeing take place. I mean, my god, the amount of evidence that shows that Donald Trump and every single one of his fucking associates is guilty of treason right, among many other things, Glenn will talk to us about the fact that, frankly, Donald Trump should have been arrested on January twenty first, right at five pm when Joe Biden became President of the United States, and we already had the list of ten obstruction offenses that were laid out to us in the Mulla Report that could have

been just taken to the DJ and said go go to town, go do your fucking job. But no, they want to preserve an institution, or as Susan Rice told us, they just want to turn the page. You want to turn the page, read the fucking book. These people are going to town on our civil liberties. They are going to town on terrorism. They are doubling down on violent and nothing is coming out in condemnation from the Republican Party. And all the fucking Democrats are doing is sitting around

wringing their hands. Are wanting to sell me literally a fucking bridge. These motherfuckers are stacking up weapons right, they got itchy trigger fingers. They are celebrating murderers. This is only going in one direction, folks. So I don't know why we continue to pretend that we have an actual functioning democracy. It's not backsliding. It has blown the fuck up. This is what an implosion looks like. Now we can sit around and say, never in my life did I

think that I would get here. But the fact is we are fucking here. We have a few months before the United States is in fact Gilead. Right there will be about ten or fifteen states maybe that women are going to be able to get an abortion in, and everywhere else is going to be out ruled in. One of the things that I'm saying is that they're not stopping at abortion. They are coming for contraception. They are going for the board of versus education. They are coming

for marriage equality. At a time when we should be innovating and creating and expanding liberties to people, they are taking us back. As my friend and co host of Democracy, issuewajahat Ali had said this week, they are taking it back to nineteen fifty three. And we are just going to continue to stand around and wait for this political party that is in power in the House, in the Senate, in the White House to do what exactly because I am telling you, folks, we are just but a few

more months away from taking to the streets. We are just but a few more months away for some major shit popping off in this country, and not in the way that Donald Trump wanted to get people hyped up on January six. I'm telling you, we are moments away from a powder keg fucking exploding over our heads, and everybody who has the ability to do something about it

is pretending like they have no power. And I'm saying to myself, if this is what it looks like for Democrats to be in power, then my god, do they not deserve it? Because I'm at a point, and I've said this before and I'm not mincing words, where I am at a point where I believe that this entire ship just needs to be burned down so that you

can create fertile ground and build up something better. We are headed into the darkest days of this nation, the most violent days of this nation, and I want all of us to be vigilant because I want you to be safe. I don't want folks caught off guard pretending that they didn't know that this could possibly happen, because I'm telling you right now, you know the other day, and I encourage you to head over to my Instagram page right at D two cents d e T two c e nts the same as on Twitter and in

one of the video series that I have done. One of them is called what the fuck Happened? And I realized the other day that I did a twenty eight minute recording on January fifth, the night of January fifth, before those motherfuckers stormed the Capitol, and I was outraged. I was outraged at the fact that nobody was doing anything. That Donald Trump had tweeted that there was going to be action that was going to happen, things were going

to be wild, and they did nothing. And when I sat there and I rewatched that video, I'm like, my god. The FBI, I had been warned, the CIA had been warned, the National Guards should have been fucking called in, but no. We saw that days after with them sleeping in the Capitol building, remember that on shift? But did you see it? They had already missed the ship that had actually gone down. Folks, we are in danger. We are in grave, grave danger.

And I want you all to prepare for twenty twenty two because if you think that what we have seen was bad, then you ain't seen nothing yet. And this kind of tepid reaction from the Insurrection Committee, from the administration, from the Department of Justice is going to be the nail in Democracy's coffin. Coming up next is my conversation with our friend MSNBC legal analyst and host of Justice Matters,

Glenn Kirshner. Folks, I am always so thrilled when I have the opportunity to sit down with our friend Glenn Kirschner, MSNBC Legal analysts and the host of Justice Matters. Glenn, you know, there has been so much insurrection news, and unfortunately the Insurrection Commission and the news that is coming out is getting lost with a lot of other news that we have been following in a lot of other cases.

So I want, um, you know, the opportunity for you to bring us up to speed on some very significant moves that the Commission has made and suggestions that have also been made that we hear. Mark Meadows is finally, you know, deciding that he wants to cooperate. I want to know if that has anything to do with the criminal contempt charges being brought against Steve Bannon and other other things that we are learning about what happened on

that faithful day. So tell us, you know, what is what is the latest that we need to be paying attention to. So I think the most important and consequential development, Danielle, is that one of Donald Trump's high Department of Justice officials, Jeffrey Clark, is on the eve of invoking his Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination for corruptly trying to overturn the elections results. That is earth shaking. And here's why.

You now have one of Donald Trump's men inside the Department of Justice announcing to the world, if I were to testify truthfully before the House Select Committee, I would be incriminating myself. I would be telling everyone that I committed crimes against the United States to try to undermine the elections results. And we all know he did it

with and for Donald Trump. So in a very real and provable sense, he's a co conspirator in a conspiracy with the Donald Trump to commit offenses against the United States, which is a precise criminal charge eighteen United States Code, three seventy one. The reason this is so earth shattering is it's the first kind of concrete example showing that Donald Trump had people inside the Department of Justice committing federal crimes to try to unlawfully keep him in power.

The other reason it's really important is because now there is a conflict that is squarely presented to the Department of Justice. First of all, they have to criminally investigate one of their own who is on the eve of pleading the Fifth To not for the Department of Justice to say, you know what, We're not going to investigate one of our own high officials would be cronyism at best, and it would be deeply sort of corrupt abusive conduct

at worst. They have to investigate this, right. The question then becomes, how do they investigate it? What's the vehicle? Because you know, we don't like to have organizations investigate themselves. We see how well that goes with the police departments really well, and it would be like, you know, Bill Barr looking at his own misconduct and clearing himself of any wrongdoing. Right, So, I think this moves us pretty significantly in the direction of the need for a special counsel.

Let's hope we get there. But I'm telling you this is one of the biggest and most ominous developments for Donald Trump, that one of his own officials will be invoking the Fifth So you know, over the course of the Trump administration, we knew that he was working whether it was with Sessions over with Barr, to weaponize the Department of Justice. But what makes Jeffrey clarks actions so egregious in compare? Like, I am still wondering why haven't

we seen a charge or subpoena for Bill Barr? Right? Like, so tell us why what was discovered with Jeffrey Clark and what he has been doing, what he did right or what he potentially suggested in the letter that he wrote that is different than where we have seen Bill Barr's criminality. Well, first of all, I hope Bill Barr is smarter than the Jeffrey Clarks of the world, and certainly than the Steve Bannons and Roger Stones of the world. And I hope Bill Barr is quietly already talking with

the folks who are investigating all of this. We don't know, but that maybe one reason we haven't seen subpoenas for Bill Barr. But setting that aside, what did Jeffrey Clark do? What Jeffrey Clark did was in a meeting with Donald Trump and others, Donald Trump said in sub since look, I know there's no fraud, just say there was fraud and leave the rest to me and my allies in Congress.

That was an invitation to join the criminal conspiracy to overturn the elections results, and Jeffrey Clark took him up on it. He accepted Donald Trump's invitation and he joined the criminal conspiracy. We know that because he went back to the Department of Justice, put his nose to the grindstone, and started drafting letters to election officials in the battleground states, giving them a blueprint to corruptly overturn the elections results.

There's a technical term for what Jeffrey Clark did after he was invited to join the conspiracy and joined the conspiracy. It's called an overt act. In order to prove a conspiracy, you need to prove two or more people agreed to commit a crime, but you also need the added element that one of the co conspirators did something that move the conspiracy in the direction of committing that substance of crime,

that crime they agreed to commit. That's called an overt act, and to prove a criminal conspiracy you need at least one overt act. Jeffrey Clark committed that overt act very helpfully. Because Jeffrey Clark's culpability, his criminal culpability couldn't be more clear, which is why he's finally doing the smart wise and I'm going to say legal thing, which is to invoke his Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination, because he assuredly

has a legitimate Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination. So let me ask this because the letter, the letters that he put out are in fact public, right, we've seen them. So it isn't as if we don't have evidence, right that Jeffrey Clark is saying, oh, I didn't write those or it was a draft, and so is there let's play which I hate to do, Devil's advocate if you are the defense attorney for a Jeffrey Clark and he's saying,

I'm acting in my official capacity. Because again, moving on the big lie, we believed that there was fraud and there was all of these things that they have said, right in order to create over three hundred voter suppression laws around the country in Red States, is there any justice like not bs justification, but is there a real

justification that a defense attorney could make on Clark's behalf. No, Because Bill Barr, who was the top dog at the Department of Justice for better or worse, based on all of the information he had available to him, concluded and told Donald Trump there was no systemic fraud that would undermine the elections results. You can't just be an underling at DOJ like Jeffrey Clark and say I don't care. I'm gonna say there was, because that's precisely what Donald

Trump told him to do. Is there an argument that can be made in court that maybe they were all thinking they were acting legitimately? You can always make an argument in court. Give me three hours in front of a DC jury and I will shoot that arguments of all twelve jurors. You know, I get so sick and tired, Danielle, of the legal hand ringing and the navel gazing and the second Oh my goodness, we don't want to get put it in front of twelve people in a jury box,

for gosh sakes. Already bring the charge. Try it to a jury, win loser draw. You've done the right thing by the American people and by our democracy. It's not that hard unless you're petrified of losing. And if we have DJ officials who are petrified of losing, step aside and let somebody who's willing to fight the fight for

the American people take over. What happens here if the Department of Justice again decides that they're going to either slow walk this or not again, what we have said and what we've been talking about for months, you and I is the toothlessness. Right, there's no teeth at this Department of Justice. We have given them months to show us, right that they are not just about preserving an institution, but they are actually about preserving right, the trust and

dignity and faith in this Department of Justice. That it isn't just a slogan to say that no one is above the law if you're not going to prosecute people who are acting against the interests of the public, Because isn't this also treason? Am I? Like? Am I just making this up? But isn't this also I mean, Jeffrey Clark might as well have had a pole like those people on the ground at the Capitol Building forcing their

way into the Capitol. What's the difference between the actions that he was taking behind closed doors and the actions that were taken physically on one six Yeah, figuratively speaking, Jeffrey Clark was handing out the weapons to be used to try to kill our democracy. The poles, the bear spray that's what he was doing in a very real but figurative sense. He was giving everybody the weapons they

needed to try to corruptly, criminally overturn the elections results. So, but you know, if you look back to Watergate and the way that played out, you know, it started with lots of congressional investigations and ultimately, after some time it morphed into criminal indictments and prosecutions. So I think if we pull back to thirty thousand feet, our frustration is that the Department of Justice is not moving out quickly enough to protect and preserve public safety and the health

and viability of our democracy. And we can criticize them all day long, and I will continue to do so, but I also think they're largely following the Watergate blueprint, where we've had two hundred more than two hundred and fifty interviews, all behind closed doors, of people who are providing the House Select Committee with information about the insurrection,

including about Donald Trump's conduct. We just learned last night from Liz Cheney that they are curating all of that information that they're getting behind closed doors, and they are about to spend weeks and weeks in early twenty twenty two, showing it to all of us, and then I'm not a betting man. My betting limit as a dollar, but I would bet a buck. You're going to see criminal indictments start to come after that, just like we saw

in Watergate. The difference between this and Watergate. Democracy is hanging by a thread and there's a very real threat to public safety because Richard Nixon didn't continue to go out and try to kill our democracy, right, Donald Trump continues to try to kill our democracy, and he continues to fool the gullible. Everything the Republicans say is an effort to keep the gullible in the Republican fold, and they're pretty successful because the gullible are easily fooled. So

that's the difference between the two. But again, if you pull back, I think we are headed in that direction, albeit too slowly. So let's let's switch gears and talk about Mark Meadows for a minute. Who you know. This week it came out that he was going to cooperate, right, and by virtue of everybody writing a book on their way out because everyone needs to capitalize on the terror

that they caused this country. Meadows alerts us to the fact that Donald Trump was very aware that he had COVID when he was headed into the first presidential debate with Joe Biden, and because of that, he had an event in the Rose Garden. This was the Amy Cony Barrett event. He did the presidential debate, flew on Air

Force One, went back into the press corps again. You know, I we talked about Bulsonado in Brazil, right, and the Senate there in Brazil looking into actual charges because of gross negligence in how he handled and it's continuing to handle the crisis in Brazil. Given this information once again that we get in black and white, tell me about why is there a case against Donald Trump for willful negligence? Yes, there's a case for criminal liability for avoidable COVID deaths.

There is a case for civil liability. He was breathing all over gold Star Mothers among others, not to mention Joe Biden at the debate, exposing them to COVID. Anybody who came into close contact with him and contracted COVID has a civil suit to bring. Doesn't guarantee they will win that civil suit. But then, Yelle, you can't win the case you don't bring in court, and we need to bring prosecutions. We need to be you know, less concerned.

I always told my prosecutors it's more important to try cases than to win cases, because when you're trying cases, you're doing your damnedest to vindicate the rights of victims. You're doing your damnedest to protect society. If you lose, if twelve jurors can't unanimously agree beyond a reasonable doubt of the defendant's guilt, that there's no shame in that. That's not like a failure that you should be embarrassed by. You should be embarrassed if your fear of losing keeps

you out of the courtroom altogether. So there should be criminal cases brought against Donald Trump for avoidable COVID deaths. There could be civil cases brought by the people he likely infected and put it in front of twelve jurors, rather than trying to make all these decisions and talk yourself into well, you know what, we might not be successful at the end of the day. So let's not bring the case. Because it feels like that's where we

are on a lot of fronts. Because you know, the only feeling that I have there right with regard to bringing cases, particularly around covid is, because it harkens back to when folks started to bring bring charges against people for deliberately and purposefully infecting others with HIV, knowing that

they were HIV positive, and then weaponizing the virus. Right, And you know I'm wondering here, Glenn, is that if that were to happen, if we see this case or cases or a class action, right, does that then open up the floodgates for regular Americans who are refusing to get vaccinated and they may infect someone. And how would

how would we? Is it the fear of initially prosecuting, because this would just be opening up the floodgates just a waterfall of effects of everyone suing anybody because this virus is so communicable. A couple of points. I was never a fan of the opening the floodgates or slippery

slope argument. If what we're discussing is whether a viable suit a triable case should be brought, because you have to look at each case on its own merits and decide if somebody has been harmed and if somebody should be held responsible for inflicting that harm either under the criminal laws of our jurisdictions or under the civil procedures.

If it's a civil case, let the slippery slope and the floodgates arguments work themselves out, because that I don't think that's a good reason to decline to bring a meritorious case. And if it does inspire more cases, maybe more cases should be brought and resolved by juries. You know, so you have to take the first step on the road rather than finding a hundred reasons not to take

the first step on the road to accountability. And then, you know, one of the questions that I have for you, because I want to pivot from this particular potential of cases and look at again what is happening on Capitol Hill with the Republican members of the House, whether verbally or through visual aid in the case of Paul Gasser,

threatening and terrorizing their Democratic colleagues. Now we're sitting around right waiting for Republicans to come out and condemn the actions of their caucus and their you know, desire to I don't know, violently like attack their their colleagues, right like we're no longer in a civilized place at that at this moment when you're seeing the Lauren Boberts and

the ghosts of the world. Do those that are the victims of their terror, like a Representative han Omar, like Representative Alexandro Cassio Cortez for lack of protection that seems to be coming from Democrats, Do they have the case whether it is you know, to say to the police they need to stay two hundred feet away from me, or you know, I feel terrorized and they are threatening my life and safety and I have a case there. Yeah,

I think they have. They should assess whether they have a viable case to be brought against the gossars of the world for threatening their lives. It feels to me like they do. And mind you, for thirty years, I was a prosecutor, a criminal litigator, not a civil litigator, so I'm not an expert in that area of our practice. But look, Eric Swalwell has brought suit for what happened to him as a result of Donald Trump launching the insurrection,

the attack on the Capitol. Representative Thompson has brought suit. So these suits can and should be brought because Danielle, nothing can be resolved by us just talking about it. It's like, well, what would happen if Gosar was charged or if civil suit was brought it nothing can be resolved by just talking and ruminating. It can be resolved

in a court of law. And let's face it, for all its flaws, the criminal justice system and our judiciary generally, is one of the reasons we are still a democracy rejecting sixty five election challenges. Right the Judge Walton's and the Judge Chutkins, and the Judge Mata's and the Judge Sullivan's being the heroes of this period in our national history by doing everything they can to hold our corrupt government officials accountable. So let's move some of these matters

into the courts. Let representatives who are being victimized and attacked by the Gosars of the world bring suit. Let's have judges decide whether it's a suit that's appropriately brought it probably will be, and then let's have twelve people in the box decide whether Gosar had a right to do this against AOC or not. I'll take that case. I'll learn all I need to know about the civil law, and I'll bring that case, and I predict we would

win that case. You know, it's just it's so disturbing to me, Glenn, because I feel like we're coming up against a time where you and I are going to have one of these conversations and something incredibly physically violent again will have happened, and we are going to be waiting or I mean, we're still waiting on real serious charges for the fact that people lost their life on one six. And I keep saying, you know, this escalation in verbal attacks, in visual attacks, it is just signaling

right to the base that they're not done right. When do we get to use our guns? Was overheard at like a rally recently, and I'm just you know, my last question is, you know, as we're moving, you know, very quickly to the end of the year, what are you thinking in terms of whether or not we're going to see the kind of accountability as the calendar year closes at the that we I mean January six, we're coming up on, you know, an anniversary, and we're still waiting. Yeah.

You know, this highlights what I have always railed against, which is the timidity of federal prosecutors. I was one, I know thousands of them, and you know, you can't paint with a broad brush and say all federal prosecutors take their darned time when it comes to investigating cases. But the reality is, Danielle, the state and local prosecutors make up ninety eight percent of the prosecutors in our nation.

And what they do is they bring cases and bring cases and bring cases because a crime is committed and arrest is made and we're in court. That's what I did also in DC, because we handled all the local prosecutions as well as the federal prosecutions. Federal prosecutors don't

operate like that. They think deep thoughts, they spend months or years in the grand jury, and then they deign whether the evidence is so bulletproof that they can't lose in trial, and then they indict, or more frequently, what they do is they negotiate a pre indictment plea offer so they never have to try the case. Please don't misunderstand. Not all prosecutors, federal prosecutors operate that way, but that

is the culture and the practice of federal prosecutors. They don't have to arrest, indict, and get into court instantly. They have all the time in the world to investigate. And we are now seeing the downside of that culture and that practice. Because this is something that should have been done at light speed. Donald Trump and his corrupt

associates should have been arrested. Donald Trump should have been charged on January twenty first for the ten felony obstruction of justice counts that were meticulously documented in detail by Bob Muller in Volume two of the Trump Russia Report, about which Bob Mueller testified he can be charged when he leaves office. But unfortunately that's not the way the Department of Justice operates. And now we see the downside

to how the Department of Justice operates. I mean, I want to say that I am very interested to see what the commission is going to do. I'm very interested to seeing what the Department of Justice will do with Jeffrey Clark, what will come of Mark Meadows cooperation, and what we will learn after we the public get to be privy to the two hundred and fifty interviews that have been done, which I believe should have been done in public and not behind closed doors, because the insurrection

did not happen behind closed doors. It happened in public, and the public should be a part of our investigation into what is happening. So Glenn, as always We appreciate you, and we hope that we will continue this conversation and bring people some good news in the coming weeks. I'll see you next week, Danielle. That is it for me today. Dear friends on woke app as always, Power to the people and to all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.