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from twenty four weeks to fifteen. For no other reason than the Mississippi people that are bringing this case knew that with a six to three stacked Trump Court that they would be able to do what they've been trying to do for nearly fifty years, which is to overturn Roe v. Wade. For decades, I can remember the one of the first jobs that I had was working at a national women's organization, and I can remember carrying signs and marching and talking about ROW and its importance and

freedom and liberty. And it's so funny to me the irony of a Republican party right now who has bastardized the terms liberty and justice in their desire to spread a lethal virus that is killed over seven hundred thousand people, and then at the same time want to argue and talk about the sanctity of life. If somebody were to be writing this in a Hollywood script, they would say, no, it's too dumb, No one would buy into it. But

that is where we are right now. And Justice Sonia Sotomayer so eloquently expressed how millions of women and people with uteruses are feeling as we await what we know is the certain final death Knel to rov Wade, this is what she said. The right of a woman to choose the right to control her own body has been clearly set since Casey and never challenged. You want us to reject that line of viability and adopt something different.

The viability line which is written here for mother. Jo Jones says, this drawn in nineteen seventy three by Row and which does not allow states to ban abortions before a fetus could survive outside of the wound, hasn't been

an issue for thirty years. And just to put this into perspective, over sixty percent of the population, sixty percent not along party lines, Over sixty percent of the population is for abortion, and which seems right when we look at the stats of the number of women who have had abortions and the number of men who have fucking

paid for them. Right, So when you look at the reality that the mainstream media and the right wing evangelical Christians say that they've been waging some type of culture war, but the reality is is that the culture is already on the side of liberty and freedom to control one's reproductive systems. We already decided that back in nineteen seventy three.

So imagine now that there are women that are close to fifty years to hold who have never never knew what it was like to live in a country where they were literally second class citizens, going to be shackled to kitchens and their homes, not able to make decisions about their future, about their potential income, right, Because it's not as if we have paid family fucking leave in this country. It's not as if we once a child comes out of the womb that we provide any childcare.

These are the things that we were talking about in the Human Infrastructure Bill, and within our own goddamn party you have Joe Manchin saying, yeah, I don't know about that child tax credit. I don't know about that paid family leave. These are things that other industrialized nations have and have had, But somehow we continue to talk about America being anybody's beacon, beacon of what America right now is at. It's like a before and after picture. It's

like what not to do? You know? Sony Sartor goes on to say, this, will this institution survive the stench this creates in the public perception that the Constitution and its reading are just political acts. If people actually believe it's all political, how will the court survive? There was a time when we believed in the sanctity of the courts, when we actually had faith in our institutions and branches of government. Right. This is the beauty. This was the

beauty of being an American. Was the understanding that we lived inside of a democracy where we had free and fair elections, where yes, politicians may stretch the truth at times, but we didn't live inside of a broken system that was filled with kleptocracy and lies and fake elections that are only put on for political performance. That's the beauty.

It was the ability to kind of go along with your day to day life and never really have to participate or pay attention to what it was that your elected officials were doing, because your assumption was if I elected them, then they are to be my voice, then they are to vote with my best interests in mind. We have fallen so far from that reality. We are so far from that space. We have judges that are sitting on the Supreme Court in stolen goddamn seats. I mean,

just think about this, folks for a minute. Brett Cavanaugh, that piece of shit, has been accused of sexual assault by multiple women, but Mitch McConnell and the Republicans didn't bother to want to do any due diligence. The fucking FBI throughout multiple tips that they were seeing thousands of tips on Brett Cavanaugh, which just what shoved under the

fucking rug. So we have just think, we have two sexual predators that sit on the Supreme Court right now that are getting to make decisions about what women can do with their bodies, when in multiple instances, neither one of those son of a bitches give the woman any choice about what they did to humiliate them, to harass them, or to assault them. But this is America, and the Supreme Court and its makeup right now is an indicative

of the cesspool that we have become. So when Sonya Sartomayor says, will this institution survive the stench right because the odor right now is just so foul. You know, when I see older women marching, particularly the one who went viral with the sign that says, I can believe I still have to protest this shit, I cannot think.

And I feel like somebody has got to do a docuseries or some type of investigative journalism to talk to women who actually remember, those that are in their seventies, that remember what this country was like before Roe v. Wade, what it was like to be a woman in this country and know that you know, it's not as if we have real laws that prevent people from discriminating and

gets pregnant people from holding onto your job. You know, every single time that I see these lists come out of other countries and the amount of leave family leave that they give, do you know that there are some countries that provide people with a year a year of NOBE. Just imagine that it seems so radical and yet it's happening. It seems so radical to be able to give new parents six months three months. I'll tell you this little

anecdote that happened over Thanksgiving. One of my younger cousins works at a kind of KinderCare situation, right, a daycare. And it's one of those like big chain daycares. And the average cost of this big chain it's not a private daycare. It's not one of those that you gotta you know, on the Upper East Side if you live in New York, where you have to compete and applications and all of these things and references and blah blah blah. But this chain child daycare center costs two thousand dollars

a month. Two thousand dollars a month, and that is for one child. You don't get a discount if you have two. And so let's you just assume that majority of families that are coming in there have two kids four thousand dollars a month, and a majority of this country, that is more than most people's mortgage, that is more than most people's rent. So in trying to actually work, this is why women end up being forced out of

the workplace. This is why we saw this at the height of COVID in twenty twenty when over two million women left the workforce. Why, because what the fuck are you going to do with a six year old and a five year old that has to now be on

zoom for seven hours? You're going to be able to just sit them in front of a computer while you go in the next room and be present on your own work calls No, And because we don't actually have equal pay in this country, if you're in a heterosexual relationship, it is most likely that the man is going to be making more money than you, and not just a little bit more, but a fucking lot more. So the system is already rigged for women to be fighting just

to make half of what men make. And then you put COVID and a whole bunch of other things on top of it, and yeah, the decision is going to be, well, it's not cost effective for me to keep working. And then what do we do to women that now when their child is of school age, because again we don't have universal pre K. When the child is a school age which is around kindergarten, which is five years old, so that's five years out of the workforce, and we

see that gap on your resume. It's not like employers say, oh, we'll show me the baby pictures. Oh, congratulations, good for you. No, you're a liability. Oh is this your first kid or is your second kid? Well, then this means that you may need to leave early so that you can go to parent teacher conferences, or what if your kid falls ill?

So who do they decide to hire then the woman that has multiple kids in a family or the single young one who is yet to have any kids, and then you keep promoting them, or you create this kind of velvet cage where you see in reports that people are having kids later and later, or deciding not to do it at all because guess what, they can't fucking afford it. So here we have now a situation where the design the ability to create family is all based

on your ability to provide. And we're supposed to have safety nets and systems set up to help. Right, Our tax dollars are supposed to be invested back into us, Except we've made and created all of these carve outs. So in certain instances, women can't get contraception covered under their healthcare for their jobs. Right, don't you think, don't think for a minute that that's not going to be next on the chopping block. But now we're setting up

a situation where our next guests coming up. Danielle campomore writer for The Today's Show, and we've had her on the show before. She is a staunch abortion advocate, will tell us that when row falls, because it's not an if, when row falls, when the decision comes down in June of twenty twenty two, twenty states have trigger laws in

this country where abortion will officially be banned. Twenty states and the there are those that are kind of on the bubble, and so when you actually really begin to look at the map, it looks like maybe there is going to be ten on the west and the east coast where you can actually get an abortion. Now, so who does that work for? Well, it works for the

middle class. It works for the one percent because they can hop on a plane, they can take off of work, they can do whatever it is that they need to do because they have the resources to be able to do that. How many stories do we need to hear about these places that you would have to drive two three hundred miles because there's only one abortion clinic right now in the whole of fucking Mississippi that is bringing the fifteenth week abortion ban. There's one clinic in the

entire state. So if you live right miles and miles and miles away, and then you get there and they tell you in most of these southern states and states in the flyover land, you have to have a waiting period. So if I've driven hundreds of miles to then be told that I will be seen by a doctor and then have to wait another twenty four hours, because again, we don't trust women to make decisions just from the jump.

We either got to put them through a waiting period or transvaginal ultrasounds until then we decide, Oh, I think you're ready a gun. However, well, bitch, you can buy that today and shoot up as many fucking people as you would like. We are creating what many said was hyperbolic, the Handmaid's Tail Gilead. We're creating a system where we are going to see more women lose their lives because we are taking a fundamental right that has been in

place for damn near fifty years away. And to Sonia Sotomayor's point is that this body, the Supreme Court, has never actively worked to take away individual rights. It has always been about expanding rights. To those that have been left out. But since we've had Chief Justice Roberts, who began this crusade against civil liberties with the gutting of the Civil Rights Act, I keep saying to people that they're not going to stop here. They're going to come

for contraception. Every single thing that we think has been codified by law is up for grabs. That includes marriage equality, that includes Brown versus the Board of Education, and fuck it could include plessy because if you remember, in that bitch Amy Covid Barrett's confirmation, she said that Brown versus the Board of Education was not settled law. Let that sink in. They want, dear friends, they want a war, and I cannot tell you that that is not where

we are headed. I cannot believe in my heart that we are going to be able to resolve these enormous problems that we have in this country by policy, because we can't get basic shit passed, right, Like, we just voted to keep funding the government kick that can down

the road until February eighteen. So if we can't get basic shit done, do you think that people are going to continue to have faith in these institutions that we tell you to vote for because let me remind you again, this is what it looks like when Democrats have won. We have the House, the Senate, and the Presidency, and all of this is happening right now. You want to talk about a stench. We're never going to rid ourselves of the odor of Trump and Trumpism, not for generations.

Your children's children will be still feeling the effects of that. You know why, because three of those motherfuckers are sitting on the Supreme Court appointed by Trump, and over three hundred of them are sitting on federal courts around this country. They are setting up Apartheide in America. And the question that we have to ask ourselves, particularly the majority, which is over fifty percent of women, need to ask themselves is are we just going to sit back and take it?

Coming up next is my conversation with our friend Danielle Campamore, who is now very newly minted writer for the Today Show. Folks, I'm always excited when I get to welcome back my friend and just warrior, warrior for abortion rights, Danielle Campamore,

who is newly minted as a reporter at Today. First of all, congratulations Danielle on the new position very excited to have your voice in a very mainstream type of space because the things that you have been writing, tweeting for the years that I that I've known you at this point are so critical, and I feel like you have been raising the alarm on what would happen if Rob Wade fell, On what it would look like in this country if we no longer had access to abortion.

We are here now. The opening arguments took place at the Supreme Court earlier this month. We had listened to some of the initial thoughts of Amy Coney, Barrett, of Brett Kavanaugh, these people who we knew right where they were going to land on Rob Wade. I want to get your initial reactions, and then I want you to walk us through paint the picture of Gilead that we are about to be living in right absolutely. First, thank you so much for being here. It's always a joy

to speak with you, especially about something so important. My initial reaction. I spent the day just speaking with abortion advocates, primarily mothers, as the majority of people who have abortions already have at least one child at home and know what it's like to give birth and or parent or both, and so That's how I spent my day because it's very difficult, I think, for anyone in any situation to try and pretend and go about a normal work day

while their constitutional right is being debated. And so I really focused on who this is going to impact most, which are mothers, primarily black, brown, and poor mothers. And they were very clear with me. They took their babies to rallies. They were there to make their voices heard.

It was a family affair. They were going with their husbands, with their partners, with their children because they know that this will continue now, this is their children's fight, probably their children's children's fight, and so it was really just a day of immense community and family time to rally

together as they prepare for the fight to come. You know, it just I find it just so heartbreaking, right, you know, and since our last conversation where you use the term that I had never heard before, but I've been using it since Danielle, which is forced birth right. And I want to go to Amy Covid Barrett, which is what I refer to her as on the show. I want to go to her remarks, right, so this justice says

that there should be no problem right. That essentially Roe and Casey are moot because we have safe haven laws where and you know, for the audience, safe haven laws essentially allow you to be able to drop off right a baby, no questions asked, at a church, at a community center, at different locations. And basically this Justice Barrett's responses, No, you go through the nine months of pregnancy. It doesn't matter what kind of economic hardship that that may cost you.

It doesn't matter what health concerns that may arise, It doesn't matter you're emotional right well being in state that you should. What is nine months right? What's the problem here? Could you imagine? I mean, what was your reaction to her? My reaction was the same as the reaction to the lawyer who was representing and arguing against the ban, and

that is that. Again, her argument was that you can't really say that you're forcing people into parenthood because they can essentially just give up their parential rights as soon as they're done giving birth. But abortion care is fourteen times safer than giving childbirth in this country alone. It is seventy five times saver in the state of Mississippi, particularly because Mississippi has such bad maternal mortality rates and

infant mortality rates for that. In addition, so the idea that there is no harm to the pregnant person, that pregnancy is safe, that it doesn't alter forever your mind and your body. It's it's not an argument made in good faith, especially from someone who is a parent herself. And again, I just go back to what the advocates

were talking about. They know what it's like, and many of them have had abortions because they know what it's like to parent, and the idea of going through pregnancy and having to care for their previous children, especially if they had difficult pregnancies, and many do, it's just not sustainable and it's a human rights violation. And you know what we're really talking about here is the government essentially telling people when they must be forced to either begin

or in most cases, expand their families. It's the government telling parents, mothers, primarily that they need to have more children. And I can't think of anything I think very many few people can of anything more unfathomable and cruel than telling parents, especially now you know financial situations. There's no mandatory paid family leave in this country, there's no affordable childcare.

Telling parents that are already under difficult circumstances and situations that they have to expand their families against their will, and that the government can do that is again the cruelty is it's astonishing, you know, it's also astonishing too for her to make such a callous statement about dropping off a baby and saying that as if pointing to our adoption and foster care system and saying, look, isn't this shining example of how good things can be for kids?

It's not right, like you have foster care and adoption advocates out there talking about this that broken system right on top of our broken criminal justice system and our crumbling healthcare system and all of these things. And so to me, what it was also ironic and just fucking mind blowing was the GOP's twitter handle tweeting out that

we will always protect the sanctity of life. And I'm saying, you will protect the sanctity of a collection of cells, because you sure as hell don't care about anybody's life or a livelihood. Because if you did, then if you were the party of family values, then why wouldn't you be the party of parental leave? Why wouldn't you be the party of childcare. Right, Why wouldn't you be the party of stronger public education and community development and all of these things if in fact you are pro life

when to your point, it is forced birth. And I'm you know, I'm really angry. I'm angry as a woman, I'm angry as a progressive. I'm angry, you know, as a person that believes that this country is in such a dangerous dark place where I do not think that we understand, right. I don't even think that those that are pressing for this overreach, right, I don't even think that they understand what is coming. And so Dani out walk us through. Paint the picture of what a post

row a miracle will look like, right. I mean I only know what it will look like because of my reporting, which is to say that a post row already exists in this country, in particular states that have done everything to whittle away access to abortion care and which have made ROW existing name only especially for black women, LGBTQ people,

poor people, and young people. And so it looks like what abortion access looks like right now in Texas, what it looks like in Mississippi, what it looks like in Louisiana, What it looks like in South Dakota and North Dakota, the states that only have one abortion clinic available to them, it's a lot of relying on community fund workers, on abortion funds that have been established at the grassroots level,

primarily by black and brown women. It's about communities coming together to help people pay, to provide travel, to provide childcare, and it's about those systems already in place. It also looks like medication abortion, which is something wasn't available prior to Rob Wade, and it's something that a lot of advocates are trying to kind of make people aware of. Is the rhetoric of an illegal abortion is automatically an unsafe abortion is not true. Via the science, medication abortion

is extremely safe. There are oral pills that you can take from the safety of your home. Studies have shown that they're safe without the purview of a medical professional, that you can take them by yourself and self manage your abortion. The problem there is the legal issues, and we've seen that born out four years in this very country where primarily black and brown women are being incarcerated often for their miscarriages because people are convinced that they've

self managed their abortions at home. So that's what a post role will look like. It will look like a lot of community organizing that has existed in this country already, a lot of reliance on funds and on independent abortion clinics, and then it's going to look like a lot of incarcerated women, especially black and brown women, for what people are going to perceive to be abortions but could very

well be miscarriages. You know, um, former president of Planned Parenthood, Cecil Richards, has been making the rounds again on cable news, and you know, she also, not unlike you, has dedicated her career and life to the advocacy for reproductive freedom. And she said that she believes that this is going to be an igniter like the GOP has never seen before.

That you know, women make up over fifty percent of the population here, and then if we include of course trans people, queer people, right, we're not just talking about women people with uteruses. Do you believe that this is going to be an igniter? You know, because and I asked that, because it is the complacency on a lot of powerful people's, you know, part that we have arrived here. It is you know, the the negligence, I will say of the Obama administration not to push back against Mitch

McConnell holding a Supreme Court seat hostage. It is, you know, the t the tepidness of the Democratic Party not acting on behalf of reproductive freedom and codifying it right in a way that we are seeing that you can steal Supreme Court seats, you can push in, you know, Supreme Court justices. You can stack this chord right and rearrange our society and turn you know, this culture war into a civil war. So you know, I say all of that to say, you know, is this the great igniter right?

Because I thought that the election of a racist, narcissist, misogynistic, homophobic pig would have been the great igniter right? So what what where do you fall on that? Well? I think I think a better question would be who are we talking about when we talk about igniting? Because you know, the previous president didn't ignite more women to vote for Democrats. More white women voted for him in the twenty twenty election. So, m who are we really talking about? I think is important.

You know, black and brown women have been the base for the Democratic Party. In my reporting, I can tell you that so many of them, the ones that are at those rallies, who've been sound in the alarm about the attacks on row for decades, are very upset at

the complacency of the Democrats. You know, they have been sending a message to voters that if you vote for them, they'll protect access to a board rights, they'll protect reproductive justice, they'll expand paid family leave, and then we see that those promises aren't coming to fruition, and so what are people going to be voting for the same empty promises in another three years. That's how a lot of people are feeling, and we see that born out in the

polling as well, especially among young people. This president, President Biden started with a much higher approval rate, and now we see that there's things being left on the sideline, that there's promises that aren't being kept, and the people that as impacting the most people who can get pregnant in this country, parents, mothers are bearing the brunt of it.

And I think it's been very difficult for so many abortion advocates, for anyone who feels at a loss in this moment, to see it being talked about as the political football of what will happen politically for undance to be strategizing when twenty states are ready to ban abortion outright as soon as raw falls, and that's going to impact millions on millions of people and their families and

their communities. This is not about political strategy for people, It is about their lives and the livelihoods of their families. I just think that we are so lost, Daniel. I think that we have just so in this we have turned politics into a sporting gain and to reality TV, and in doing so, have really disassociated ourselves from the impact of these policies, of the impact of what of

what it would mean. And again going back to this party that wanted to be referred to as the family Party and the pro life party and all these things and the fiscally responsible, Well, what does it mean if women are shackled to their homes and can't participate in the economy anymore? Right? Like, what does like in their mind, you know, one of the things that I've said, and

I want your thoughts. I feel like in their mind they're like, oh, well, this is how we reverse to the nineteen early nineteen fifties, where you know, the sole responsibility will fall on men and white men who feel like they are being displaced right in this country will then be back in front because everyone else is forced into the kitchen or into the fields. Right. Because I have been saying for the past week that everything, everything that you believe is codified into law, is now up

for grabs. Everything if a fifty year old law can fall, right, Um, what do you think is the is the mind here the mindset of what the ripple effect will be? I think bors out and reporting. Two, we know that abortion is not a hotly debated topic the way in which it is framed by politicians and media. The majority of people in this country believe in access to abortion care. Republicans don't want to see Roe fall, and I don't

really believe in truth Republican leaders do. We see time and time again that there are instances in which their own family members access abortion care, their mistresses access abortion care. I think that really again, it's been treated, and has been since the seventies as a political football. Is something that can ignite a base and bring people to the polls. For Republicans, if they can secure a vote from evangelical

white Christians, that will help them win. And we saw that born out with the previous president and his change in stance from pro choice to anti choice in order to drum up a base that believes the same. So I don't think that there is much thought in terms of what this will do econom comically to businesses, to families, to communities. I think it's seen as a political strategy

in a way to remain in power. And that's what's so upsetting again to me in general and as a reporter, the way in which it's framed and the way in which media often regurgitates those talking points of this being a contentious issue when again, the majority of Americans support access to abortion care. When we regurgitate words often used by anti choice politicians and strategists like heartbeat band when there is no such thing as a fetal heartbeat at

six weeks gestation, because there's no fetus. Those kinds of situations has made it easier for the Republican Party to maintain power, to continue to use this as a political football to drum up a base because it does work. We see at work every four years, every two years

in the midterms. It works, and it's working for them now, you know, I constantly talk about the importance of framing, the importance of language, who is telling the story and your RFE you know, we constantly and it's through what it's through the desire for increased ratings, which is increased money. Right, And when you look at all everything, everything, I keep saying to everybody, just follow the money, right, like who

gets to capitalize off of this cruelty? And then that will tell you who, you know, who is responsible for this happening. And you know, one of the things that really stood out for me was justice. So to MYRSU statement, and you know it, I can't imagine what it is like for her and other people who actually believe in the rule of law, who are qualified to be in the position that they are, to sit there and know that they six to three. There's just there's no power anymore.

But she said, will this institution survive the stench that this creates in the public perception that the Constitution and its readings are just political acts. I don't see how it is possible. Do you think that this stench will ever be alleviated in America? And what do you think its effects are on our ability to go around the

world to dictate to people how they treat women and girls. Well, I can tell you in speaking with you know, the advocates and for the people who have had abortions and who this impacts the most, I can say that no. But I could have told you that before the hearings on December first as well. I think that so many people have seen what happened to the Supreme Court nominee is in years past, what happened with Kavanaugh, what happened with Dorsage, and so I think that a lot of

people didn't have faith Already. Again, we saw President promise to come into office to share up Rovy way to expand access, that he was going to fight for people who had abortions, and then his administration didn't say the word abortion for the first six months. And so again I think a lot of advocates, the people who wanted to believe that this more moderate Democrat was going to do something, didn't believe that before. They don't think that the Supreme Court is going to do what it is

supposed to do. They don't believe that Senators, congressmen and women are going to do things that they're supposed to do they promised to because they haven't seen that born out, and so no, I don't believe that it will. And I think that's why we're going to continue to see communities really alley and rely on themselves and become self sustaining in certain ways when it comes to access to abortion and other healthcare. I see this happy to trans youth as well, see this happy you know, to post

partum care in the absence of paid family leave. I see this happening with mental healthcare as well. Is we're going to have to rely on each other and rely on the systems that are already in place by grassroots organizers. And that's where again that the fear will then be what are the legal ramifications of that and what is that going to look like for the incarceration of black and brown men and women, which is already at a

higher and disproportionate rate. And so that's I think just where we stand, there's going to be less reliance and belief in the institutions that I've promised one thing and delivered another, and more reliance on each other that could potentially have legal ramifications moving forward for those people. And I am one of them, and there are many of them that do, in fact feel extraordinarily helpless in this

moment and hopeless in this moment. Can you offer any thoughts about what they can do to feel like they are helping the cause? That isn't just about marching and protesting, even though I believe that to be important, but what they can do to kind of get active and activate absolutely. I mean I asked this of every woman that I interviewed from my recent piece on Today who were going to rallies, like how were they staying positive? They all shared, you know, the viewpoint of we know how this is

going to end. We think we know how this is going to end. We're preparing ourselves, preparing our families. So I asked them, how are you staying hopeful in this moment? And they offered a slew of things that I think are really beneficial to anyone who feels the same. Is one to donate to a local abortion fund in your state, It doesn't matter which state you are in. I think prior to to perhaps a few months ago, there was this belief that if there was abortion attacks on abortion

access in certain states, your state would be fine. That's clearly not the case. Now twenty states could lose access to abortion care, which means that those patients are going to have to go to other states, and other states will be overwhelmed, so all funds in any state are going to need and require assistance. The moms also said to uplift and listen to people who've had abortions, listening

to their stories. I get in touch with people that we Testify for example, which is a nonprofit that supports abortion storytellers and abortion advocates. Uplift their stories, share them if you feel safe, share your own while you aren't owed your story to anyone, and it is yours to share when you're ready if you do feel safe. That is also a way to combat stigma. And then what was really uplifting for me was to look at the moms and their kids, and I think that this is

very overwhelming for so many people. The next generation is so involved and from very young ages, and they understand it, and we're seeing that in these demonstrations and the ways in which these moms are raising future advocates. And so there's laws. Obviously, ask anyone who has been sounding the alarm, It's always been highs and lows, and this is a

low for sure for so many people. But I do believe that looking at the generations and the ways in which people are speaking about abortion within their own family members is also a really great way to look at how you know, this is far from over for advocates, and this is a moment in which I think we're going to see how much people have built, how much we've already learned from past attacks on abortion, especially at the state level, and advocates while they are disheartened or

definitely not deterred, and so I think that people can find some hope in knowing that this is definitely not a way. Danielle, I can't thank you enough for your voice, for your work, for your advocacy, for the time that you make to spend with us here on woke a f and again I am so excited for you and

wish you the best of luck at today. I think today needs you now more than more than ever, and we need your voice now more than ever in every space that you that you can be in, because I think that we have a very very long and rough road in front of us, but I feel confident that you're one of the warriors that are on that road with us. So I appreciate you so very much. Noah, thank you, dear friend. I appreciate you too. Folks, I

have to tell you. I know that I say this at the end of a lot of shows, after we are talking about heavy shit all of the time. Please do take good care of yourselves. I am taking a break, as I tell all of you to do. I can't continue to tell folks to take a break and then don't actually take one for myself. Things have just gotten

extraordinarily heavy. So do something each day for yourself, whether it is meditating, walking, working out, tending to a garden, playing with your pets, doing something that brings you joy, and making sure that you are doing it consistently. Because the weight of what is happening in our society is crushing, and if we're not grounding ourselves in something other than misery, we will not make it through. That is it for me today. Friends on woke app as always power to

the people and to all the people. Power, Get wope and stay woke as fuck.