Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wik f Daily with me your girl Daniel Moody recording from the Home Bunker, which, folks, I'm actually going to just actively start turning this into a real bunker instead of just an apartment that I never leave because with New York on Friday having a motherfucking earthquake out of nowhere that last week. Let me just tell you about the weather in New York last week.
We had an earthquake on Friday. Two days before that, there were sixty mile per hour winds that were rocking the buildings and on top of like fucking monsoon torrential downpour. Then somebody was posting up on social talking about Okay, so last year this time, we couldn't go outside because the sky turned yellow and orange right because of the wildfires. I'm just like, yo, it is hazardous being outdoors, so I recommend y'all just stay where you are. Nonetheless, where
are we in the world. You know, Donald Trump is still a criminal, His followers are in a cult. I don't really care about these court cases that I keep telling you about, even though I have to cover them because y'all should be up to date. But like do I give a damn not really, but I do want to talk about the moves that happened at the end of last week as it pertained to Israel and Gaza.
So I reported that Biden had a phone conversation with Netaniahu and following that conversation where he had said that he would begin to have conditional I guess send conditional bombs to Israel if he did not begin to open upanitarian corridors and let AID in right, and then all of a sudden, magnificently, guess what started fucking happening. Oh, Humanitarian corridors started opening, food and medicine started to be
able to get in. So explain to me why Biden waited until over thirty thousand Palestinians are dead, over almost two hundred, including the seven World Central Kitchen workers that were killed. Over two hundred humanitarian workers have been killed, not to mention the amount of journalists that have been killed, and journalists family members that have been killed, and doctors
and nurses that have been killed. For Biden to start saying, you know what, you don't get a fucking blank check anymore, that you are not going to invade Rafa, You're going to open up humanitarian quarters and as a matter of fact, you're going to issue a cease fucking fire. Now we're done with this shit. So I, honestly, you know, I that horrific act of violence because it's not a mistake, right, There's nothing that Netanyahu and the IDF are doing that
are mistakes. You don't make two hundred mistakes that kill humanitarian aid workers. You don't make thirty five thousand or so on mistakes that kill babies in nick U's These are not mistakes, and to call them such is a smack in the face to the loved ones that are still living. You say that all where we need to get the hostages out, there'll be no hostages left at the rate that this motherfucker is moving. So you know, I don't know, folks, whether or not what transpired last
week will be a tipping point. It is a question that I continue to ask. Will it be the tipping point, the breaking point? What will it take for this situation to end? I don't know, but I do know that as of the time of this recording, aid is getting in to you know, the millions of people that are on the brink of famine because again, Just fyi, Israel is committing war crimes because weaponizing food and medicine are war crimes. Period. Coming up next, dear friends, my conversation
with my friend Danielle Campomore. We talk about the situation around reproductive freedom, abortion, bodily autonomy, and where we think this issue is going to land as we get closer and closer to November, Folks, I am always thrilled when I have the opportunity to welcome Danielle Campomore, Journalists, activists, repro writes Guru on all of the things. Back to
WOKF Daily. Danielle, you know, since we last spoke, my God, the assault on reproductive freedom on people with uteruses, on women just has been unrelenting, so much so that I'm finding myself just physically exhausted with trying to keep up with everything that is happening. Give me a picture of one A how you are doing and two how you are feeling about this? Just one lot of horrific legislation targeted at women and people with uteruses.
Right Well, I mean I'm how I'm doing and feeling. It changes and varies between anger, fear, a lot more anger, frustration,
and then there is a little bit of hope. The hope, unfortunately, is not coming from those in positions of power, but really from grassroots organizers and people on the ground who have been fighting the good fight for decades and certainly since the end of Roe v. Wade, and so look, I mean today Supreme Court heard oral arguments for the myth of Pristone case, which, if they decide to go in favor with the Texas Court, could curtail access to
medication abortion nationwide. It will matter which state you live in, whether it's New York or Texas. That is scary, it's frightening, it's disheartening that. But as these attacks continue, and there's discussions about a nationwide abortion ban in addition to attacks on medication abortion, which amount to over sixty percent of
abortions in this country. The current president and Democratic nominee Joe Biden can't bring himself to say the word abortion out loud and hasn't been able to since he's been running for office or been in office. And so to have these attacks happening shamelessly, you know, they say the
quiet parts out loud all the time. Now they're coming after birth control, they're coming after IVF to have those in power who are saying, look, we care where pro choice, we care about pregnant people, we care about women, give these lackadaisical statements is disheartening. But there's people on the ground who are doing the work, and so that's kind
of where my focus is even today. For Marie Clare, I was reporting on what was happening outside of Scotus during the arguments, and you had people who were dispensing mifipristone via robots as they called them, oroe bots, but robots that were being They had people in blue states who were protected from anti abortion laws managing these robots to hand out medication, as you know, a sign that look, it doesn't matter what a Supreme Court says, it doesn't
matter what laws passed. We will be here and abortion will continue in this country, and we will be able to help people access that care. So that's the hope that I have when it comes to those in power, though that hope dindles significantly to damn near zero.
You know, it's there are a couple of things, because I have been on the fence Danielle about the need for Joe Biden to say the word abortion and I've been on the fence about it because I'm just like for me and I do I want to I want to dig into it because words in narrative matter, and you're, uh, you know, your writer, your storyteller. And so for me, it was like for him, you know, State of the Union talk about, you know, taking away women's bodily autonomy,
to talk about reproductive care. On the campaign trail, Vice President Harris says, abortion says, uterus says these things that are medically appropriate and yet so shocking. So tell me about the importance of the name and naming a thing to you, but also to the movement right now.
Well, because it erases the stigma. And the reason why we're here right now is because in this country we have allowed, and by we, I mean those impositions of power,
those as members of the media. Unfortunately, for that stigma to run so rampant for Republicans and anti abortion advocates who have no knowledge of pregnancy, of reproductive outcomes whatsoever, to control the narrative of abortion care, to control the narrative what it means to have an abortion out feels to have an abortion, and they're patently false, their outright lies but we haven't been forceful enough in speaking truth to power and to holding those in power, you know,
to make them speak that truth as well. And so I think saying the word abortion, discussing abortion accurately, honestly is vital.
It's absolutely vital.
We had an hours of the Supreme Court listening to an argument that is based off of a complete medical fallacy, of total misinformation medication. Abortion is safer than viagra, penicillin, thailenal, and yet we are having justices debate over whether or
not it's causing harm. I mean, it's just outrageous. And there's so many things that has brought us to this point, one of them being our inability or just people deciding not to discuss abortion honestly say the word out loud and be candid about what it means to have an abortion in this country. And you know, we've talked about this so much, and like you said, representation, being accurate in word is important. One way is that they could do that, and we did see him do that at
the State of the Union. Is to center the people who have abortions, that's black and brown women. We should be putting them on television. We should be handing them the microphone, and we should be listening to them and following their leaders to what we can do to save not only abortion access in this country, but democracy in this country, because without bodily autonomy, democracy just straight up does not exist. And so those themes are completely interconnected,
and that is something that Biden can do. He talks a lot about our need to save the democracy of this country, that this is what the upcoming election is about, and I agree. But in order to save democracy, that's not just keeping Trump and a bunch of fascists out of the White House. It's also about making sure that everybody has complete and full control over their body and the decisions that they make regarding their reproductive health and
the outcomes of their pregnancies. Those themes are inexplicably linked. You cannot separate one from the other, and yet this president and does at times. And so that's just again another way in which when you hand the microphone over to those who've done this work, the black and brown, Indigenous LGBTQ plus people who are on the ground every day, we would have more accurate representations. We would have this more forceful pushback against these erroneous outrageous attacks on abortion care.
When you talk about handing over the mic and listening to those that are on the ground lead and listening to black and brown people, black and brown women, and people with uteruses, it feels like a constant refrain that just is never listen to right, like by you know,
like it just it's a constant refrain. We know who came out and saved democracy and saved Joe Biden's candidacy in twenty twenty and yet now with an assault literally everywhere and on everything, we still and bye we I don't not us, but like the mainstream media and the Democratic Party, I think the establishment still doesn't listen, right, And so I wonder, Danielle, like we are just seven months away from the November twenty twenty four presidential election.
What we've seen is that every time that abortion has been on the ballot in states, it has won. Right that the people have come out this election, there is just I mean, I can't I can't list all of the ways, all of the things that are riding on this election, abortion being one, you know, of the many, Is it enough in your mind? Do you think to rouse a very seemingly apathetic and at times fairly hopeless electorate.
I guess it kind of depends on which day you asked me that question. That's fair find the late. I'm trying to find the light here too.
You know.
There's some days where I'm like, I don't know. There's other days where I'm like, you know what, yes, I think so. Unfortunately, we have seen in this country white women who voted for Trump in twenty sixteen and who are now living in states where they don't have access to abortion care, and they're realizing that this does impact me and my daughter, and my wife and my sister, and that it isn't just about ending an unwanted pregnancy.
It's also about managing miscarriages. It's about managing high risk pregnancies. And now, all of a us sudden they are involved. They are working tirelessly to try and get these ballots passed. I wish that they would abandon their party altogether. This notion that somehow the Republican you can do this work within the Republican Party when the Republican Party has become the Party of Trump is.
Laughable to me at best.
But I am seeing that shift, and unfortunately, as I said, a lot of people only care when they realize that this will impact me. That prior to so many of these states ending access to abortion care, it was those that were living in poverty, black, brown, and Indigenous people who were most harmed by anti abortion laws. Well, now that it's expanding to include women in suburbs and white women who go to PTA meetings and.
Xyz, so I think that it is possible.
But again, it is about the messaging, and unfortunately the Democratic Party fails to be as forceful.
As I know it can and be in. It shouldn't be.
Like you said, there's so much writing on this upcoming presidential election, everything from economy to your mental health, to democracy, ability to vote, ability to work, ability to maintain your home, all those themes are all also connected to abortion. So if this president wants to speak to people who are worried about their economics, talk about what happens to someone
if they're denied abortion care. They're more likely to live in poverty, They're more likely to not be able to afford food.
For their children.
If you care about child education, let's talk about how if a parent is denied abortion care, the children they already have or more likely to experience developmental delays than those who are children of parents who were able to end pregnancies that they weren't ready to carry to term. All these themes, you can talk about those themes and
abortion be even more galvanizing than it already is. Unfortunately, this current president doesn't do that as often as he could, and I think he can if they give the mic to those who know these these experiences, who've lived them, who've done the work, who help people day in and day out access the care that they need, even in a post row world where you risk possible hospitalization if you're not able to obtain the care you need when you need it, or legal action, And so I do
believe that it could work, and I really really need to hope that it is enough. I think it just depends on how forceful this Democratic Party is truly willing to fight for democracy, for bodily autonomy, and for their electric for the people who saved this country in twenty twenty.
Do you think that people have a really clear picture. I was having a conversation last night on another podcast, and I away was asked this question of do you think that people really understand the average person understands what is at risk in this election. And I will tell you that every time that I see quote unquote average people get interviewed on cable news, I'm like, oh, we're
fucked right. Like it's just like the conversation is so devoid of facts and logic and reality that I'm just like, okay, But do you think that the average person does get it right? Like, does understand if they know nothing else about, you know, about how politics works, that they understand what's at what's at risk, especially with the moves that Alabama has made with IVF and you know, embryonic individuals and like all of this shit that people are just like,
wait a minute, this is crazy, right. I know somebody that used IVF to get pregnant. I got used IVF to get pregnant. Like, do you think folks get it?
I think more and more people are. And I think what we've seen in a post real world is how powerful other people's stories are. And I think that's what's really making people get it. It's not necessarily statistics or unfortunately even just the obvious nature of Trump and his
allies that you can point to the themes. He says, points to his rallies and people still seem to want to have this intellectual disconnect and to live in this alternate reality in which he doesn't pose the threat that he tells them he is going.
To be like the things that he's going to do.
But what I have seen as a reporter on the ground and speaking to people is people are so moved by stories because they see themselves and others. And again, unfortunately, I think we're kind of in this current political climate where for me, not for thee if it upsets me or if it impacts me now all of a sudden, I care. But if it was for that, well, then you know, I guess at someone else's problem where it might not be as dire as they're saying.
And so I do.
I think that more and more people are getting it. And I think as long as we elevate those stories and we keep again passing that mic, then more more people will come to understand just really what is at stake. I know very few people on either side of the aisle who can listen to a story about someone being told to wait in a hospital parking lot until they're close to death to receive care. Who isn't moved by that, Who isn't saying, hold up, wait a minute, what's happening
and why is this happening. I don't know very many people who can listen to someone who has their embryos sitting somewhere and now they can't access them because they're apparently no longer theirs. Like, it's just that's mind blowing and people people are being moved by that. I do think though, that again, because we've contained in the media specifically kind of safeguarded who goes to talk about these issues, who comes on air to talk about abortion, for example,
people do get kind of burnt out. I think if we had more abortion providers, more people who've had abortions, more abortion care workers who were really centered, more people would understand.
I feel like there's no end to what they're going after. And I think that that too, has become really terrifying. Is that, you know, oh, it was row, but I live in a blue state, so I'm fine. Oh now it's IVF. Oh now it's mifipristone. Oh now it's going
to be birth control, all forms of birth control. Now it's going to be you know, until women and people with uteruses literally have no control over their futures, over their lives over their economic well being, Like then they'll be done, right, And I think that that they'll be done is coming sooner than people honestly want to imagine.
And so I just want to ask you, you know, final question for you, which is if the Supreme Court does now overturn a twenty three year FDA approved access to a medication one to me everything, every medication, everything and is up and the FDA now no longer has any teeth or power, which is should be terrifying again for any anyone if that happens. What's what's the picture that you see in America leading up to like what what's what's what's the image? What's the landscape?
Well, I think you know to your point, that will never be done. And I think we need to make it perfectly clear that these attacks existed long before or Roby Wade was overturned. They've always gone after IBF, they've always gone after birth control, iud's emergency contraception. That has been the goal from the beginning. And these attacks aren't
anything new. But I know they won't be done. They'll keep going because and this is what gives me hope, those who believe in bodily autonomy and true freedom in this country aren't going to be done either. And again, in speaking to people outside of the Supreme Court today, it doesn't matter what the Supreme Court does. It doesn't matter. There will always be people who will provide abortion care
outside the confines of the law. And thankfully, medication abortion is so safe that people will be able to end their pregnancies at home and they won't be put in harm's way as a result. Physically, of course, there will be the fear of legal reciprocity and that is terrifying and everyone needs to be aware of that that there this won't end with access to abortion care, access to
medication abortion, access to birth control. There is a specific way in which the Republican parties seems to want women and people with the capacity to get pregnant to live their lives uh barefoot in the kitchen, without the ability to have financial freedom or freedom over their own bodies, the freedom to work outside the home, the freedom to divorce someone if they want. And so I think that that needs to be at the forefront of people's minds.
And you know, we've we've been talking about this, and you've spent your career talking about and raising the alarm, and oftentimes we're told that we're being hyperbolic, that this this is where this just hold on, we're being a little crazy here, this is this isn't really going to happen. Okay, so Trump wins in twenty sixteen, he won't really overturn Roby Wade, never going to happen, and then it does.
So when people are giving these warnings, this isn't because they're being ridiculous or emotional, or this is born out of fact. This is listening to what the Republican Party
is saying and has been saying. And I wish that more of these warnings were coming from men and men in position of power who aren't going to receive the same sexist response as the women often do when they raise the alarm and are the canary and the cool minds of these threats against democracy and personal freedom and bodily autonomy, which again just circles back to the president can do more than the lackluster support that he has for the ability to access abortion care if you want,
you know, even comments about well, I don't personally believe in it because I'm Catholic, but I don't think that. Well, Okay, Catholics get abortions too, so again, it's just he has the ability to do more. Men in position of power of ability to do more. The Democratic Party as a
whole is the ability to do more. And if they raise the alarm at the same frequency as those on the ground, as women, as people who have been getting abortions and providing abortions have been raising the alarm for decades, I guarantee you we wouldn't be here and we certainly would be in a better position to fight these ongoing attacks that, to your point, will not end. The Republican Party will not stop at XYZ type thing. There is no finish line for them.
Yeah.
Oh, Danielle, my friend, we will leave it here today and check back in with you in a couple of weeks when when we know the result of this of this case and how it's going to affect all fifty states red and blue. Really appreciate you.
I appreciate you, my friend. Yep, let's uh, we'll walk through this dark period together.
That is it for me today, Dear friends on woke A app as always power to the people and to all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck,