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A Loss For Words

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Good morning, keeps, and welcome to Okay f daily with me your girl, Danielle Moody back in the Brooklyn Bunker. I don't know what to say. I have just been contemplating, y'all, when the last time, When was the last time that I had consistently good feeling days in America? Meaning I had good feeling days about the direction this country is headed in about my faith in our institutions, any form

of patriotism. And I'm really at a loss. I go back to when the election was finally decided, and you know, this sense of foolish you know now in hindsight being twenty twenty foolish relief that I felt when Joe Biden was named president. I remember going down and opening champagne with my neighbors and being like, you know, we did it.

And at the time I thought that we did it, that the did part was the hardest part of the work that was going to be asked of us, which was to go out in the midst of a health pandemic without a vaccine, to vote Satan or who we perceived to be Satan, out of the White House. And what I realized now, folks, is that I don't really

know what we did right. You know. It's one of those feelings that I've that is like that has begun to go keep me up at night, where I've been saying for the longest time that the last election really just hit pause on our democracies decline. But it actually didn't, because if you've been listening and paying attention to you know, the major headline stories, and I know that you are because you listen to WOKAF, But there has been a

rapid uptick in the destruction of our democracy. So whether we're looking at state and local bills like they don't say gay bill, whether we're looking at the over twenty trigger laws that are about to take place when Rov Wade is finally taken away, whether we're looking at the leak draft, whether we're looking at Elon must saying that Donald Trump is going to return to Twitter, whether we're looking at you know, reports on climate change and how

rapidly the Earth is declining. I look at these things and I thought that when we voted for Biden, that we were putting an adult back in the room, that there were going to be people that we could trust to lead these institutions that had been up until that point.

Under Donald Trump completely and totally gutted. You saw a massive resignation of career, career staff, which is integral to the operation of all of our agencies, right, And I kind of felt that with the in stating of folks with integrity that we would be in a better place. And we're totally fucking not. I don't even know what fucking place we're in. And this is why, like I hit record, and generally I have some idea, you know, when things written down that I want to talk about.

But I'm just like, folks, I'm fucking dumb struck. I really am. I can't because every conversation that I'm having, and this week I'm going to talk to you know, a range of folks, but every conversation that I'm having, I finished the interview feeling worse than when I went

into it. Meaning that we do our due diligence between myself and my producer Andrew to bring in some of the most thoughtful, well read, well researched, well versed people on a range of topics, and it is starting to hit me that with each and every person that I am bringing on the show and engaging in conversation with we all hang up feeling the same fucking way, which is, I don't know what the fuck we're going to do, and sometimes we say that, you know, coming up in

my conversation, my weekly conversation with our friend doctor Jonathan Metzel, one of the things that I have been reading up on because the news isn't really covering it anymore. It's COVID and where the fuck we are with that? Welcome to find out we have two new subvariants that have been discovered in South Africa once again by the South African doctors who are researching continuing to research how COVID

is mutating and the new sequencing and spike proteins. And they're the only ones doing it because their country is still largely sixty percent of the country is still largely unvaccinated. Now that isn't because unlike in the United States, where we have twenty three percent of the population that is

unvaccinated because they're fucking idiots. No, it's because the vaccine is still not made widely available in places with black and brown people that are though, you know that are the citizens, and you know, these wealthier nations said that they were going to do their part in ensuring that less wealthy nations had the access that they needed in order to get these vaccines vaccines or at least be able to create their own versions for cheaper and they

haven't fucking followed through on that. But why would we assume that white people in power would follow through on any goddamn thing? Right, the health and welfare of each other actually matters when you're in a shared global health pandemic. But as it turns out, you know, white colonization and supremacy doesn't really put the feelings and the well being of others in the same realm that they do themselves,

And so they're pretty much like who the fuck cares. Sadly, they're who the fuck cares mentality as it pertains to giving low wealth countries the help and aid that they need, because their protection means all of our protection is in

part of the scarcity white supremacy model. Right, You would have to have an abundant way of thinking, right, that all people matter, and that by and that my brother really is my keeper, right, and that my responsibility really is to my community, and not just the community that I live in, but the global community in which I'm a part of and you realize that that's not the case.

It doesn't fucking matter whether or not Donald Trump is in office or Joe Biden, frankly, because their attitudes to me, when we are looking at the responsibility of this country that has done so much damage, particularly in black and brown nations and low income nations, to do the right thing you have won, Donald Trump will just be like, fuck those shit whole countries and tell you like it is. You may not like it, but at least he's telling you the fucking truth about how he feels, right, so

you don't expect shit from him. But what I realize is that democrats are justice are are just nuanced in there. I don't give a fuck about that country, right, They just count their same result of do nothing in nuance.

So you'll talk about, oh, we need to have immigration policy and we need to do these things, and the humanity of all people and the dehumanization that is happening overseas to the people of Ukraine at the hands of Russia, but you won't take any responsibility for the dehumanization that we all witnessed at the hands of US border patrol towards Haitian migrants and those from Central America and Mexico, right, like,

we won't talk about that. And you see, this is what I'm saying about Republicans, is that they'll just tell you straight up who the fuck they don't give a fuck about, right Whereas Democrats, I guess, allow us to be able to pretend that they care when we know

that their actions actually really do line up. So right now, when we're still reeling from the news of the leaked abortion decision draft from the Supreme Court, and then you're watching the news and realizing that some Democrats are still coming out publicly with their support for codifying a abortion and other repro care into our laws, we're still trying to convince Democrats that women need to be able to

have the ability to control their own bodies. So I'm supposed to feel what exactly about the Republicans who I know where they have always aligned so on this issue, once again, we're not going to be able to do

what is right. One. We need the sixty votes, and nobody's going to blow up the filibuster for voting rights, for women's rights, for anything, because it is the preservation of this archaic, fucking tool that is more important than the preservation of bodily autonomy, liberty and justice for all. So you know, forgive me on this Wednesday for being I don't know, just outdone and at a loss for words, folks.

I can't tell you that it matters that we're gearing up for public hearings with the one six House Commission, because I don't think that it does. I can't tell you that it matters that Elon Musk, once he buys Twitter, is going to put Donald Trump back on I can't tell you that I give a shit. I mean, I hate Elon Musk and everybody knows that. And I hate white men in power who abuse it and use their power to threaten harm and cause pain for marginalized communities

just because they can. For the fucktion of it. Right, I'm at a place where I actually do just want to see all of this shit burned to the ground. I'm going to be honest. I don't think that there is stopped, there's any way to stop the inevitable. I keep thinking about the matrix in my head where you know mister Smith, who was consistently going after NEO, said

that he was trying to stop the inevitable. Right, it was going to be inevitable that the machines were going to take over, right, that that human kind was going to be enslaved right inside of this matrix, that they were never going to win. And I mean in it's Hollywood, so you know, the good guys win in the end.

But there was a repeat of history, and there probably will be because what the matrix, the last installation showed us is that without persistent vigilance, without the consistency in vigilance in training, in building up a pipeline of people to come behind those that are currently in power, without this war posture, right, where do we go? What do we do? It is inevitable that our democracy is going to fail because it takes two parties in order for it to succeed, in two parties in order for it

to fail. Now I can point fingers and say all of the things that I've been saying until I'm blue in the face about what Republicans are doing, and they're doing, you know, in broad daylight, right, they're doing out in the open, and they're doing it with little to no opposition whatsoever. And it is that lack of opposition. It is that lack of offense on the part of the Democratic Party that is going to be the final nail in the coffin of our democracy that were Publicans have built.

And so when you realize all of these things one fucking interview and one conversation after the other, you're just like, can we fast forward to the end, right and figure out who is left and what is left and if

anything can be rebuilt? Because this fucking, you know, accelerated coup ride that we're on right now is getting on my fucking nerves right, Like, I just want to fast forward to midterms when we lose, fast forward to what Republicans are going to do and how they're going to gut the country, and then fast forward to twenty twenty four when there is the final fascist takeover, and then fast forward five ten years down the road from there.

Will there be a revolution or will the people be too apathetic to actually do anything and they'll just succumb to the will and the whim of the oppressor. I don't know, but I gotta tell you that it doesn't feel good after each and every conversation that people that are way smarter than me are feeling the exact same thing. Absent any action in the next five months from the Democratic Party, We're done. So that's how I'm feeling today, and I'm not going to bullshit you. Some days I

have more energy and fight and fire than others. Today is not that day. Today is the day that I read headline after headline and watched way too much news and none of it is trending in our direction. And so what does that mean about how we're going to fortifiers ourselves, our sanity, our wellbeing as we move through what is going to be the inevitable demise of America

and the America that we know. How do we prepare for this next version that is going to be Actually where my mind is for the next couple of days, in the next couple of weeks, the next couple of months. This country has seen a lot of bad days, a lot of bad centuries, depending on what community you're a part of. This is something that is a little bit

different to me. It's a little scarier because we have more knowledge than ever before, we have more tools than ever before, and yet seemed to be stuck and I don't know what it's going to take to unstick us. Coming up next, friends, my conversation with our good doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzo, about where we are with COVID and what we need to be paying attention to in that news story that no longer makes news. Hey, I'm David.

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I have had at least three friends in the last week tell me that they have tested positive for COVID. Yesterday I read a New York Times article that went through the two new sub variants of omicron that have been discovered once again by the amazing doctors in their sequencing that they've been doing in South Africa. Because no one else, apparently in the world outside of South Africa

is still investigating how COVID is mutating and why is that? Well, because I believe that there is still sixty percent of people in Africa have not received their first dose of the vaccine in South Africa. In neighboring countries and neighboring nations, vaccination remains incredibly low. So it is not unusual for us to be hearing that there are mutations that are coming out of a region that we have yet to as as a wealthy nation, have yet to provide with

the kind of aid that they need. In the New York Times article, Jonathan I will say this white journalism is on is some shit. And it was because there was one sentence in there that really threw me for a loop, and it said, even the United States doesn't

have tent doesn't have twenty three percent of the country vaccinated. I'mlike, even the United States, the United States has the worst COVID numbers on the planet, with now over a million people having died, like a hundred million plus have been infected. But the way that was written was just like, oh, and even us were struggle. I'm like, we've been ground zero.

So give me your initial reactions to this news about BA point four and BA point five, the new sub variants of omicron, and what they are saying is that you are vaccinated, you won't be hospitalized, but this time around, you also won't be asymptomatic. When when we were kids in Missouri, my parents would take us this place called Trout Farm. And the thing about Trout Farm was like there were like a bunch of like little trout that

they would throw into the pond. They was like, you know, it's like little kids can feel good catching fish in a teeny little pond. And the usually you'd catch some teeny little fish that had just been thrown in the

pond like two minutes ago. And there were all these really big trout at the bottom, and they were the smart trout who like never got caught because they're like, I'm not eating that worm, Like the hell with that, you know, And so we just wanted to catch the big trout, but we never did because they were the trout that that, you know, that that knew what they

were doing. And I feel like COVID now is coming for the big trout, and we're the big trout because we're the people who have been like wearing our masks and washing our hands and social distancing and doing all this stuff. And so now COVID has figured out, like, man, there's a whole there's a whole browth economy for us out there. Yeah, and we can get the big trout, the people who have actually done the right shit the

entire time. We're coming for those guys. And so in a way, that's kind of what's happening is that COVID has figured out a way to get like us, Like, I'm not surprised that, like, you know, the yackerdoodles who are just like, you know, embracing COVID and licking the subway pole and stuff like, they're you know, they've had

it a bunch of times already. But the problem with these new variants is that, I mean, you know, the big O member when we started talking about it was it was so and it was so infectious that it was like, oh my god, how could anything born infect said? Now this new ship is like twenty seven times more more infectious than that, And so we're up in Measles territory right now. Is basically the long and the short

of it. And that makes I mean, and so the stories that we're hearing, and I'm sure it's the same for you, also, the stories that we're hearing are not of people who like, went to a strip club, Hey darn, I got COVID at a strip club. Whatever. What we're hearing is people who sound like me and you, who are like, I was so careful this whole time, How the heck did I get COVID? And I've got a ton of people in my circle who are the same kind of thing, the big trout at the bottom of

the thing. But I would say that COVID has figured out a way to make itself. I mean, we're really in among the most infectious possible zones right now. It's I mean, we're way up there in the history of viruses with this kind of spread. Makes it's almost impossible to avoid. I mean, unless you're I mean, I don't know. I live by myself. I go to the gym, I went to the gym's morning. I wore a mask, that kind of thing. But even you know, I've got to go take a flight later today. I'll have my mask

on that kind of thing. But it's hard to it's hard to avoid this now. I was gonna say, I feel like we have gotten to the place where and this is what I have was just home of visiting my family for Mother's Day, and you know, myself, my mother, my sister who lives abroad, we have yet to get COVID right, And I have said to her now it's pretty much just inevitable, right, like there is there is really no avoiding this. And for a couple of reasons.

One because everything is back right, events are back. Panels are back in person, Galers are back in person. Right, You're being asked or invited to events and you can't say no at this stage because now every one it's going. So there is this pure pressure that is now present where it would seem ridiculous for you to say, I'm not going to do X because of COVID. Right, We're never going to see a shutdown again. These things aren't

going to happen. But at the same time, we haven't even hit summer yet, and the White House is already warning us of a really bad COVID fall in winter, And I'm like, oh, you mean like the pattern we've been doing for the last two years, Like we know that every winter and fall is bad. So if we've all been doing the right thing, we're in Measle's territory. Just unpack for a bit what that actually means. Is

it fully endemic? Is it just we just get ourselves all together, you know, in a hotel room, pop champagne and just get COVID and then go home and get over it. Well, you know the bad thing about this new COVID I haven't come up with a catching nickname for it yet, but I'll say that it's it's it's escaping the people who have got COVID before are getting COVID with this new COVID. People who got vaccinated are

getting this new covid. The vaccine rate that the infection rates are just as high in New York as they are in the South. So the new COVID has figured out a way around not just around like our own social defenses, but also around the kind of antibody and and T cell and other responses that we've had that

that that basically gave us memory. And so it'll be interesting to see, you know, right now there's infection rates right which are super high, and I think what we're seeing nobody wants to admit it really is that the vaccine is not it's not really. Of course, it's not preventing infection. A lot of people are getting sick, people are getting symptomatic even if they've been vaccinated. But that's

also true for people who've had COVID before. So it's good getting around people who also have the imman response of having COVID before. So this is like this has reinvented itself to the point where it's almost like a kind of new thing in a way, and so the issue will be how sick are people getting right, what's going to happen to hospitalizations, what's going to happen to deaths?

And I'd say, at least right now, at least right now, it doesn't seem the main thing is that the early variants attack the lungs, and anything in the Omo cron chain does not attack the lungs. And so I think that as long as we're in that chain, you know, lung infection is what killed a lot of people, and so so I don't think we're going to see the

level of death that we saw before. But it's also super shit, right because what this tells us number one, is that the virus is mutating well beyond what anybody expected, Like people thought it would kind of fizz out by now. Number two, that probably means that the pandemic, I hate to say, this is probably going to go on for at least another couple of years. You know. I want to ask you this because you know, doctor Fauci, who will probably never hear from again, is using a different

He's using different words. He's saying he had said right before the White House correspondence dinner that you know, we are entering into an endemic stage. So talk to us about these two words, pandemic and endemic, and what if any wrench be a point four and be a point five the two new sub variants throw in that midst. I mean, the best outcome is possibly what we have right now, which is this thing is just floating out there.

When things are at endemic, they never go away. And so um, but but but again then he remember he said that it was the pandemic was over, and then he recanted. I'm sorry, I miss never he can't, and I just, you know, I laugh because I'm at a point of delirium, Yeah, where I just don't know what to do or say anymore. No, No, it's it's pretty funny. I mean it's kind of not funny, but you know, it's funny enough funny. But the thing is, he recanted, and and so so I will say that the fall

is going to suck. I mean, the fall is going to suck. And so what I can say from an optimistic point of view unless it gets shut down by the you know whatever, is that they're working on a new broad broader vaccine, a vaccine that is at least bi valent that will attack different parts of the covid um virus as it infects you and stuff, not just the spike protein. A vaccine that is more specific to omicron, because it doesn't seem like omicron's going away, um, and

that's being tested now. There's so in the best of all worlds, we would have a new vaccine coming out for what's happened now the way we have flu and it's not one hundred percent perfect and sometimes we miss it and that kind of thing. But I sure hope there's a new vaccine that's ready by fall that that to me is going to be the make or break thing, because if that's not the case, we're going to have a horrific fall. So that does seem like DejaVu all

over again. But even in the midst of like everything else happening and molten lava falling from the sky and I don't know, before I go to bed, I read about the extinction of the dinosaurs now and stuff, just to keep my spirits up and so and so, you know, we're in that moment right where we're like, damn, look at that fifty foot lava cloud heading toward us. For lunch, honey. But the thing is that I do think it's going

to be make or break. Honestly, if we get this new vaccine by fall, that's going to be a really big deal. But I mean, if we get a new vaccine by fall, is it going to be available to everybody? Because the last time the White House came out and told us that they don't have any money, that they don't have any money to you know, to distribute to people without insurance, to distribute you know, in mass because Congress hasn't approved any money for them, but they're sending

all of our tax dollars to Ukraine. So I'm just wondering, like, even if something were to become available invented, is it going to be widely available? It really depends on what happens. I mean. The perfect example is the flu vaccine. Right the minute it's stopped being profitable, the minute they're stopping like a regular customer for the flu vaccine. It took a literally an active Congress to get them to start

making flu vaccine again. All these kind of vaccines, the minute they stopped being profitable and the market drops, you need government. This is where you need government. You need government support for these kind of vaccines. And so that's a really good question. I sure, hope. I mean they really need to pass this COVID bill. I mean I don't see them. I mean, I honestly don't see them

doing that. And we have midterms in six months against a party that doesn't believe in the COVID vacs, that doesn't believe in COVID, doesn't believe in the vaccine, definitely doesn't believe in helping people. So if we're headed into a bad fall politically because we have midterms, we're headed into a bad fall because they're telling us omicron is you know, coming on a cloud over the mountaintop. I mean,

it just sounds like we're just in a collision course. Yeah, so I might as well just enjoy my summer, right, like, drink as much as possible, laying the sun. Yeah, you know, this is the summer. I mean. The frustrating part also about that is that there's all this new there's going to probably be a new internasal vaccine where you just like, you know, snort a line of vaccine and you're fine.

And so I would say, you know, like there's there's there's all this technology that's coming, so we could nip this fucker in the bud m. But I guess I just lost my viral moment there. But but I would say I would say that. I would say that, you know,

we could fix this thing, and it's so prushuting. And if they don't pass that, I mean, they really need to pass that COVID funding thing, you know, they really, But I'm like, it's just you know, when you said, like we're at a point where you see the Moulten lava cloud coming and you're like, what's for lunch? Like this is I am laughing because I'm just like what else? Right? Like, there's just everything is just like the only thing that

you can ask yourself is what else? What else is coming? Like? So we're not going to get funding. You have an impending bad fall in winter coming. The vaccines that we currently have are not you know, are well, I guess maybe stop us from death, But according to the New York Times article, it's not going to stop us from being very sick. And to my earlier point about friends that have evated COVID until this point and are now getting it, I don't know what version they're getting. I

don't know if it's omicron. I don't know if it's this new variant entered the US yet. I have no idea, but I will say that one of my friends, it's been eleven days. It's been eleven days, and he's like, I am unwell, I I you know, I haven't been working. I'm exhausted, Like you know. He's like, I got over the fever part and the and the really bad cough and all of that stuff. He's like, I got over

that within five and six days. He's like, but the exhaustion persists, right, And so I'm like, we already have shortages in certain industries for workers because they're all down with COVID, right, and we're still at this, Oh you get down, it's five days, you come back. But if your symptoms, it says five days unless your symptoms persist.

If now we're moving into a stage where these new sub variants are producing symptoms, we're not even lucking out in that way where it's just like, oh, yeah, I'm good and I've negative. It's like we're in a hole. Am I wrong to say that we're moving into a whole different side of the forest now? And which side would that feed? The mean side with quicksand in it. Remember the forest from the Princess Bride, that's the forest

I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I uh, I mean really, first of all, was pretty cute there, but no, I um, you know, I'll just I'll just quote mister McConnell. This is our summer of glory. Hole. Um, you know, this is our summer. This is our summer to enjoy ourselves. Um, this is our summer to to to really um because man, the ship storm is coming, it really is. And so and and again it's so frustrating because like we're so better equipped for this thing right now than we were

three years ago in terms of what we know. Um. So no, I worry about that too. I mean I think that this is a virus that then lives in your body for your whole life. And so of course people are going to have long term symptoms. Of course they're going to have exhaustion. And and the first rating thing is it's it's like the flu, Like it's like you can get it every year, but it's like it's

much you know, it's obviously much more dangerous than the flu. Also, so yeah, so I don't know quicksands a good analogy. But so the last question that I want to ask you, you know, and I've been really thinking about this, and I just you know, we've hit over a million people

in this country have died in two years. And you know, outside of the initial tribute that was done when right before the Biden administration began in twenty twenty one, there has been no memorial, no nationwide day of more that has even been named to recognize the fact that a million souls, over a million souls in this country have perished. What do you think that that says about our mental health, our empathy, our emotional contextualization of how this virus has

impacted our lives. Partially, it's because this thing is still happening, and so there's no like it's still we're still in it. I mean, it doesn't seem like it because half people aren't paying attention, but we're still in it. And which makes a memorial day. Now, I think that's actually an excellent idea. I think we should have a national day of COVID memorial every year. I think that that's something that, yeah, we should do. And it's funny to think about those

early remember everybody stayed at home. We had a Zoom concert with Lady Gaga and Elton John and it was like, we're all in this together, and like six months later we're like, ag fu yourself. You know. It's it was just kind of like, So, I do think that there needs to be something to mark this. I really do. Now. The problem is number one, it's still ongoing. Number two, we don't know what it is or where it's going.

And number three, a million is just an incomprehensible number for most people, and so you know, I just so many people and families have been impacted by this. But again, the issue, of course is as it goes on this long, and it's airborne, and it's changing, and expert knowledge lasts about as long as a variant, and then it becomes a conspiracy. So it would be awesome if there was some kind of unity around this. It would be awesome

to imagine what that is. Just given our political system, I can't see that, but I would totally support a national day like that. I think that's a great idea. Yeah, I just think, you know, we are at a point where every single one of us know somebody that has died of COVID, and so given given that reality, the fact that we just continue to press on like all is normal, like there hasn't like we're not still living

inside of a plague. You know. I watched a segment of sixty Minutes where they were interviewing middle schoolers who's you know, their attempts at suicide have skyrocketed, right, their emotional like and their emotional well being is fucking shot.

And we're not even paying attention to the pandemics within the pandemic, which is about our mental health, you know, And the fact that we're still we still expect kids to go to school and learn, we still expect people to go to work, and like, the lack of acknowledgement around what we continue to go through, I think is another form of gaslight, right, Like we're already being politically gas lit by the Republican cult Party, and then you're being gas lit here where it's like the lack of

acknowledgement to me, just goes to reinforce the fact that this was not a big deal, right and and I and I'm like, is there an opportunity and what does that opportunity look like? You know, to to collectively mourn and acknowledge what we've been through. I mean, so I you know, I don't know. We lost so much when we when we politicize this thing, we lost right there. And just wait for it to get worse. I'll tell

you that. That's another prediction of mine. If the Republicans win the midterms, just wait for two years of China bashing and blaming other people and projecting and not reflecting and not mourning and all this kind of thing. So, you know, anger and projection is the kind of defense mechanism of the decade. And so I think, unfortunately, we're going to see this pandemic politicize in a whole new way if they take over after the mid terms, and

it'll just make that sense of despair worse. It's been the case from the beginning. Everybody just wanted somebody to get angry at because the thought that you can just breathe and catch something and die is so incomprehensible. It led to this tribalization, led to more polarization, and there's none of what you're saying, which is reflection, which would be a much healthier response, a much more communal and

kind of networked response. But we're very far from that, right now I agree, Jonathan as always, thank you for taking the time to join us each and every week, because if there's nowhere else we're going to have collective reflection, We're sure as hell going to try and do it here so that the rest of us don't feel crazy. So we appreciate you. Thank you hanging everybody. It's therapeutic

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