TOTAL RECALL

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Welcome to the last in the series of six dystopian films. This is with Gorley and Rust. Dystopia Now, I'm Matt Gorley. And I'm Paul Russ. Dystopia Now is will soon be Dystopia. Past. Dystopia then. Dystopia then. Dystopia one. And then we could watch that um movie, what's it called? Dystopia Now and Then. It's about the four girls who grew up as kids in the sixties, but when they grew up uh uh the America was a dystopia. Who's in that? Um

Uh oh, i i in real life? Yeah. Um uh uh Gabby Hoffman Hoffman, uh Thora Birch Gabby Hayes. Is that the weed singer or butthole surfers? No, but it is the old uh prospector actor. Do we have a new update on any uh new fresh word on our uh beloved stunt man? Bob Rochelle? Yes. No, not oh, I don't did I talk about that? I found out that

That he drive when he worked in Vegas, he was working in a hotel driving a shuttle bus. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh n hey, for newtime listeners who are just joining us, the the the the Quado heads. Yeah. And heads. specifically with Quato. I mean that guy is just uh am I pronouncing that correctly? I think it's Quato and then some people say Quato. So it might be one of those things where it take your choice.

Uh well, if you're here'cause you love Total Recall and you're like, who are these goofballs? Yeah. We were just referencing uh m uh my co-host Matt's beloved uh stunt man b Robert Robert Rochellum. That's right. Bob Rochelle. Uh no update there. update the people on why we were late too for this episode. That's right. That's right. Those regular listeners know that uh here at the Gorley Lund household we welcomed a second daughter into our family. Thank you.

And that's why this episode is late. You and I had scheduled to get this season done before she came. She came a week early. She couldn't wait to get out. Um, I am happy to say she's here. She's wonderful. She's I'm gonna knock on wood. So I'm not a superstitious guy, but I'm gonna do it so superstitiously because she is so chill. and mellow and it's making me appreciate how fun and spirited Glenn is. So we we've got this family of aulk types here and uh things are settling in nicely.

So we couldn't get to this episode. Well, and let me just say, congratulations, buddy. Uh uh Uh I'm so happy that you have uh more love in your I'm very happy to it's it's really something special and uh I mean uh from my uh point of view You and uh uh uh Amanda are just knockout parents. And so we should tell the listeners that we've adopted you and you're living in our house. So he speaks from I'm trying to get in that will. Uh uh No, but that uh uh uh uh your

new daughter. She's she's so blessed to have you as parents. That's really sweet of her. And Glenn is so she's great to ha uh so blessed to have Glenn is an older sister now. Glenn and I have been hanging out like crazy. We're thicker than thieves than we've ever been. I I have to say, without getting too schmaltzy, we'll get into this movie type.

I'm so total recall of Schmaltz. That's true. It it all makes sense. I'm so happy. We we uh got where we were hoping to be. It was a long haul and uh all all is well. So thank you guys for Sticking with us for the delay. And um we're popping in to do this one. I'm gonna continue on with the paternity leave after this, but we have some ideas for some stuff.

Sure, in the meantime, before we get to I think what's gonna be our scissors season, you know, every podcast does a scissor season, but if you haven't listened to the previous episode, we We're gonna do a mini season on movies that feature scissor kills. Yes. Yes. Uh after uh maybe the highest demand we've ever had. Mm-hmm. Uh were people being like when when are the scissors coming? From day one people

We found this idea on Twitter going back and forth, going, Let's do a Friday the thirteenth podcast. And right away the echo chamber was like boring. Yeah. Scissor Squad, uh in effect. And then Scissor Squad became this huge thing. And I always was like, guys. The hashtag for scissorsquad is

Scissors. There's two S's in the middle with scissors squat or do you do scissors squat? They wanted to scissors squat or scissors squat. Then they changed it to scissors sisters because it wasn't scissors plural. Yes. It was scissor sisters. Yeah, is it it's Scissor Sisters, not Scissors Sisters. But I just realized is that a Trying to be a play on like

sister sister like Mr. Mister? No, I'm going too far. Mrs. Misters. Mrs. Mister. What we're also going to do the next season is Mr. Kills, where it's all people have been killed by theme park hot day ride misters.

What are Misters and Theme Parts? No, I'm going too far, Paul. I'm sleep deprived. Let's keep that tab open. You know like when you go to Universal Studios during the summer and you're on a ride for a line outside, they have those Oh I thought you meant a man. That would be what you should think. No, a mister. Oh my gosh. Look, you're not the problem. A mister is kind of by definition. The opposite of cozy. I agree. I agree.

I'm with you. I don't think mistress are cozy because it means it's scalding hot and you're kinda getting like sweaty. Yeah. Humid. But in a summertime way. A mister is cozy in that it brings relief. That's true. If coziness is relief, but it's not. I mean, it is like if you were sitting in a warm den with a fireplace and then some mister came on and started spraying on you, you'd be like

Excuse me, yeah, can I show you the door? Yeah. You're decidedly not cozy. No. Warm humidity is probably one of the least cozy things to me. Hot humidity. Yeah. So you um you don't even like to do a steam room? No, I don't think I do. Amanda really likes Like steam rooms and sonnets. And I'm I can't I heat I'm just not a heat guy. Unless it's uh Mr. Michael Mann. Oh yeah. And that's Mr. as in

I mean Michael Mann might also sometimes missed a line at Universal Studios. We'll find out in heat two. Hey, excuse me guys, I gotta go over and fucking miss the line for the mummy ride. A lot of people don't know. First of all, that I sound like Dennis Farina, but I do. Second, I got a gold pass at Universal Studios. No blackout dates, so I can get in, ride the mummy, and get out.

I don't do a single other thing there other than get the huge Simpsons donut. First I do, I go on the r mummy ride. Then I get the Simpsons donut. You do it reverse order, you're gonna throw up because even though the Simpsons ride is pretty much just long and I mean sorry. The mummy ride is long and flat. It's the weakest backwards. It's a good roller coaster for a guy in his late eighties. Is is is uh am I?

Michael Maine? Yeah. Yeah, you're in your late 80s. Anyway. No, I I think you're in your late 70s, early 80s. Whatever. I didn't use to sound like this, but when Dennis Furina, whom I worked with, died, he left me his accent in his will. Can you believe it? Magically transferred from like the coffin into Michael Man's body during the burial. Like, oh shit. Oh no. This is fucking hip. I hope I haven't worked with Dennis Franz. Oh, a Farita and Franz? Fr Franzina? Are they both Dennis's?

Yes, this is crazy. And we found something. I mean the uh this has to have been uh In all human history, I'd pointed out at some point, but it is crazy. We may have really discovered something. Hey, are you my fucking brother? My name's Dennis. That must mean we're brothers. Yeah, friends, Farina with the Fucking difference. Parents name brothers the same name, right? And change the last names. That's how it works. In Chicago. The Chicago way. That's the Chicago way.

Uh you know, um saw that recently because I found a cool little YouTube channel that just collects All the behind the scenes footage, but edits them in a way that it's like chronic chronological. So you can't do it. Yeah. So I watched like uh the behind the scenes of the untouchables to bring it to Schwarzenegger, our boy. Uh uh originally cast as Elliot Ness.

And Elliot from E.T. I got the gitch. Sorry, I was about to do a Farito present, what I wanted to do is Schwarzenegger, but killing him! Be killing him. I told you right that that uh before I die as an actor, the only line I would wish to be able to do on screen is the person who the misunderstood monster creature or whatever, the military or something is trying to like contain him or get him, you know, in a

Car. Right. That's it. And then I'm the person It sucks'cause it would often require the lead to do this, but I I'm not wanting that. I get even the extra, just a uh a background person, but somebody who gets to say You're hurting. Yeah, yeah. Can't you see that you're hurting hell? Yes. So uh Are you listening, uh producers and filmmakers? I want as Elliot going, You're hurting hell! You're hurt you're killing him.

You're hurting him. There are lines, Schwarz. The killing fields. You're killing fields. You're killing s Sally Field. No. Kim Fields. I can't it's weird. My Schwarzenegger works best on certain lines. You're killing Tuti Ramsey. Joe Polnicek. Yes, yes, Mr. Sorsen. We have uh this is him at the video started off the clerk. Yes, we have uh Killing Fields on on video.

Oh no, I said Kim Fields! Oh you wanted a movie with Kim Fields in it, huh? No, I want a movie called Kim Fields. But it's the Killing Fields, but instead of killing everything's Tutie. I don't know. Well, can I just my Schwarzenegger impression is really reliant on what I say. Sometimes it's effective, some not. always effective if I'm doing an actual Schwarzenegger line, Schwarzenegger line. In this movie, Total Recall, when he says consider that a divorce.

There it is peak Schwarzenegger, so much so that when I do it, I add syllables. So like considered it. I love that's so good. I love how Because of the plot in this movie. the word error is required to be said many times by him. Yeah. And he makes it two syllables. Yeah. I don't know if you heard me right now. I said error is one syllable. Yeah. Ew. Yeah. The date the

Consider the the divorce they're taking a eah. Eah. It sounds like ear with two syllables. Yeah. Okay. So uh I love the guy. Sure. I think probably deep down in heart everyone's heart.

Because at some point they were like moved by the movies of this man, whether he You know, got your adrenaline rushing or made you laugh. Or in Junior made you cry. He's got your adrenaline Russian or he was killing Russians. Yes. Only those two options. Uh uh, you know, he he's beloved.

Uh so all of this is said with love, love, love, love. But uh uh uh specifically his politics uh in the eighties and nineties is what we you and me, Matt, most love about him. That's right. Not really his movies. Yeah. Um But um the way he you know who he is. It does seem like every movie starring Arnold Schwarzenegger in the first three minutes should have a character Not him, who says to him in the movie, like

Why do you talk like why are you so big? What are you doing here? Here like a body built. What is going on? Yeah. At least every I think every Schwarzenegger movie needs that moment. Especially this movie because Quaid is supposed to be an everyman, but he's a no one man. Yes, yes, yes. He's not an everyman. He's a specific

Man. I have this note I wrote that this I I'm with you. I love, I adore Schwarzenegger. And in his certain movies, he's superb. But this movie's ideas are above Arnold's paygrade. His acting in this movie is perfect Schwarzenegger acting, but this movie just tries to get at something a little bit more than I think Schwarzenegger is able to embody. You're right, man. And it makes it an interesting movie.'Cause it is the I hadn't really thought about it.

You know, I've seen this movie probably a dozen times. I love it. Uh uh watching it again, I noticed just like, oh yeah, there was like specific moments of like um You know, questions of like Ronnie Cox kind of says this to Mithia and it's like, uh, well, what is your id identity? You know, is it like

who you think you are right now or the things that you've done in the past and whether you remember them or don't, is that who makes you who you are? Uh which is like, you know, a loftier qu When it cuts to a close up just be like that instead of, you know.

Uh we ru again thank you Brantley Palmer for your uh excellent notes, superb notes. Uh y you know, David Cronenberg was originally the first director. He wanted William Hurt. Yeah. I still don't And he was like an accountant. That kind of works. Um You've heard the lore of like in another Philip K. Dick movie, like Blade Runner, the original person was like Dustin Hoffman. Um like

This premise it doesn't necessarily have to be Dustin Hoffman. Who else was attached? It was like Richard Dreyfus or something. Yeah, Richard Dreyfus. Like you're right that because he's not an everyman and uh People get over this. I mean, it but it does seem like the hook of the movie is of the premise is like, holy shit, I'm uh

Action star and I didn't even know it. I had this implant. So with Arnold Schwarzenegger, it's still an amazing scene when he first takes out those guys outside his apartment. He's like, Holy shit, I can't believe it's like uh Born Supremacy or you know, I didn't know uh I I could do this. Right. Uh

What is Art Schwarzenegger doing? It's really yeah, dude. I don't know what you would. You could always do this. You haven't thought about murdering people in all those times you've been pumping uh wait. The X factor of this movie is that it has three giant convergences in Paul Verhoven, Schwarzenegger, and Philip K. Dick. And the movie is nobody's movie.

Yeah. They all have their moments. Maybe you could argue it's Schwarzenegger more than anything, but a true Philip K. Dick version of this movie, maybe done by Spielberg. a Verhoeven movie without Schwarzenegger where the the actor isn't the star, the story is in the style, or just a Schwarzenegger kick ass movie, all would have worked.

This movie I wouldn't say a hundred percent works, but it becomes something so unique with those three ingredients that it's neither any one of them, but it's all of them. It's some kind of like action gestalt thing. Yeah. Yeah. Uh that I love this movie. That's why I chose it.

It's the weirdness of it with the amazing ingredients that don't fully mix but still taste so good. Yes, yes. That brings me back all the time. Yeah. So when did you when it brings you back? When was the first time you saw Uh total recall. I saw it when it came out in the theater. I wanna say maybe even opening weekend. I was in high school. I would have been a junior in high school.

Fucking and I this is a movie I have a lot of memory for because I remember coming back and talking to my friend Gabe. And we were talking about the movie. After you saw it's a it I I it's a real let's talk about this movie because there's so much like fun lore you can talk about or just like recounting like, oh my god, the part where the

He puts the drill through the ma the the truck and drills the other guy on the other side, you know, just wanting to talk about specific moments. I bet it's really cool. Yeah. Yeah. And like For for all of Philip K. Dick's adaptations, this one isn't like you probably spend a little less time on the philosophical implications of it all or like that kind of thing. Cause this just really like a binary thing of was it a dream or not?

There's not a lot of depth to it. But it's more than you normally get in a Schwarzenegger film. Mm-hmm. And then you mix in the seediness of the Beerhoven. Yeah. And then like the fun uh Satire. I mean elements. I mean, it feels like such a a companion piece to uh Robocop that we watched at the beginning of this movie. Like eighties, nineties.

this decade triptych of Verhoven that would have been really special, I think. And then and then if uh um it would have been Stallone or something'cause then it could have been him like having or or a different actor. But not Schwarzenegger or Paul, um Or who who's the Peter Weller. Peter Weller, yeah. Um but uh yeah, I mean there's so much c uh overlap in terms of like the people behind the camera, who he's working with, and then in front of the camera. It does feel like

Yeah, what it was. Art Schwarzenegger saw Robocop, was like, that's awesome. And then w y when you're talking about like who's sort of the person behind this, it does seem like this was a script that was like super popular. Yeah. Uh like one of the best unproduced scripts for like twelve years. Ronnie Shusit. Ronald Schussett and Dan O'Bannon, who purchased the alien right after it was written for a thousand dollars in in a sci-fi magazine by Philip K. Dick.

I mean, how cool is that duo, Shusset and O'Banin, that they co-wrote Alien and Total Recall. And I think they I wonder what their original script was like. 'Cause they did a pretty good job. I read the synopsis of the nov the novel or the short story. And it at least starts pretty similarly. Yeah.

forks in the road, but I think they made some good choices for this, especially to make it a blockbuster the way it is. Oh, it's not as much of a spectacle in the Yeah, and I think the ideas are uh cool. You know, we were talking about the every eight hundred words have a new idea. I feel like Total recall has that fun. And then oh oh sorry. No, no, no. I was backing up. Um and then also um there's cool th I knew I was just admiring that there's

a cool space future thing in every scene. They find like a moment like even if it's just like uh the conventional like walking into the receptionist area. She's doing her nails with a little stylus and changing the colors. In the theater, that was a moment. Like and you that was one of the things we talk about the next day where you're just going, Whoa, because it's cool because it's not

I guess it's optical, but it you haven't seen some I mean, maybe. Um when you were gonna say it's everybody kind of coming in at their certain m peaks or their moments. I was also gonna say, you know, this being summer nineteen ninety, the year before T two, yeah. That sort of has like I know there was other CGI before, but it's the first time an audience goes, Oh, that's something digital. Not this isn't a special effect we've really seen before. I think like total recall might be the peak of

Um practical. I was just gonna say that. I think this is the the best. Like right before things turned, you're seeing little moments, but CGI in this movie and other movies before Terminator Two is just used as a little novelty moment. It's never the feature. Well th yeah, the uh in the notes, the CGI the only thing was the X ray when he was running through and even that It wasn't working out well, so they had a rotoscope it. Yeah. Um

But that's the only th everything else is like uh in camera or opticals and and a ma it's miniatures heaven, this movie is miniatures heaven. Even though the miniatures weren't that miniature. And just because you know, after this then People weren't using miniatures, but like any science or whatever a skill, uh it gets perfected on and on. And so because this was like at its very

The furthest it could go in terms of perfection, it is like the best model work you could see in a movie. It's like that opening is like. I'm really fully believing the Mar Martian, the Mars landscape. and then the figures in it and then the mat shot of the sp space behind it, the prosthetic of the eyes coming out. I mean everything is like so

Tactile. Yeah, and then the horrible ADR that Schwarzenegger always has to do when his eyes are bulging out. Schwarzenegger's maybe the worst ADR actor. Just yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm doing like what sounds like Robert Schmeigel Schwarzenegger, but that's what H he it's like Schwarzenegger's doing an impression of himself when he does A. Yeah. Um oh uh but yeah, w Schwarzenegger being like what you were saying, like uh um

Because he then like saw the opportunity to make the movie. He took it then to Carloco. Yeah. Uh yeah, that's crazy too. This is Canal Plus and Carolco. Two completely different production. I think Canal Plus might have bought the library of Coralco? Okay. So it wasn't an originally I don't uh I could be wrong but I think yeah the op the real logos would have been tristar and then

That logo, the Carl, is this our first logo loco with Carl Coco? Is it because I know because that's when when you see that, is that also Rambo? Yes. And you get that Rambo. That's what I associate it with is that Rambo theme. Yes, it has that little driving uh yeah. I mean Seeing that emblazoned like blue C like it is like A seal of approval of like bad assery. It is maybe bad quality, but

For sure badassery. Yes. When Schwarzenegger he was chasing this movie, when it finally like uh Dino De Laurentiis had it for years. Arnold, Arnold, you cannot do the movie. I need a schlub. He's kinda right. Yeah. Eh, I was approved on that. He was having failure after failure, and and in Brantley's notes they said that if he had had one more success, this movie probably would have been made by him, but instead they went bankrupt.

Schwarzenegger got Karalko to buy it like within hours. Yeah. And then it then it flew through two points uh on Schwarzenegger, which is probably what proved uh his career being so great. Yeah. In that that moment.

Matt, he's shrewd. Yeah. Like he goes, Ooh, he's got the brain to go. The script that I wanted is now open for me to get just like having that brain is maybe not The brain of a Steven Seagull. You know, like he's got something there. And then the other one is taste. Yeah. That he knew the script was great.

And so it was like, yeah, I wanna make this movie because this is a great idea and a great execution of the idea. Yeah. Um, so yeah, Verhoven like uh taking it to the finish line is cool, but I do feel like it's sort of like a Ronnie Schussit Schwarzenegger sort of like uh collaboration. Yeah, like those are the two, you know. But then Verhoven, yeah, there's like

Uh like that opening scene after he wakes up from the dream. Like in a normal movie, that opening scene between the married couple that's supposed to be like The point of it is supposed to be like he's got a normal life and a conventional life. He adds this weird like agrosexual like thing to kink to the Everything about their their relationship. I mean, uh granted it's planted, but

Even when he's making breakfast, he's using like a brawn thing to make a smoothie. But did you see what's out on the he's like baking for 12? There's so much ingredients in the has his own little Cueto. Like he opens up his shirt and is like, okay, eat the bacon. Quick, quick, while she's out of the room. Oh, maybe he is just making a smoothie, but he opened it and Quado's baking something as well, just to counter height. Sort of like a ratatouille situation.

She's always like, it's actually Queda who cooks. And then she's like, Oh, Doug, this is so good. He's like, Thank you. I made it myself, of course. Why would I even be saying I do not have a culinary cereal note, the Bergerac. On my belly I think Quedo Plato That name is great. Then change his last name so it's not Quaid. You're right. It's too many. Steve also but what's his other name?

Hauser. Hauser. Hauser Quaid. His name's Quayle in the book, but they changed it to Quaid. Oh, so it was in uh to vice presidential. Oh, must have been. Or two maybe No, you're right. It must have been that. Maybe the bird lovers of the world were like, You can we will boycott this. Yeah. No way. Uh but you know the the Hey, this casting doesn't make sense.

For the Not just like, oh, a person like that in this movie, but like it actually runs counter to like what the movie would be most entertaining as. Yeah. Uh it's total recall. You're you you just sort of like, okay, it's not an everyman. This movie rules, so I'm fine with everything.

Uh the Terminator, you know, like James Cameron wanted um what's his butt? Um who's the guy who plays a bishop and aliens. Oh yeah, Lance Hendrickson, that's right. Yeah. Because in his mind it was like a cyberpunk thing where it's like A man who can enter the room and is so basic looking he can go undetected, like a Terminator should, and like kill be a hitman and kill the person he's supposed to. The idea that the people would

send back a terminator that looks like the the the thing that would stand out in a crowd. But it was like uh James Cameron met Arnold Sportsinger. It was like, and then when you watch the movie, you don't ever question it. You're like buy into it the same way that uh hey, I buy him as Quaid. Is he one of the Quaid brothers? Mm-hmm. There's Randy, Dennis.

Doug. Doug. Doug Quaid. Uh Well Douglas Quaid is that that's Arnold Sword Nakers' first name. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Douglas Quaid. Douglas Quaid. There's cousin Eddie. That's a Neddy Quaid. Uh Um but so June nineteen ninety, you see this movie blows your mind. Loved it. Um

Talked a lot with my buddy about the squibs because we were working on squibs at the time. And post-Robocop, I think Verhoven's thinking is like, I've done the most squibs. There's no point in going there anymore. How about I do the largest squibs? Every squib in this movie is like the size of a coaster. Or like the diameter They are huge, you're right. They're huge.

Everything. They're like crater size. And they're all half- You think he's inspired by the surface of Mars? It's like I want the splits to look like the craters. They all have to be hidden in like army jacket pockets and things like that and vests because they're packed so full of blood. They're thick, they're big, and it had to have been a directive. It had to have been a conscious choice.

Yes.'Cause you're right. It it has to be in the pockets'cause if it was just under the shirt it would be like Yeah, nobody in this movie gets shot. They'd be like, is that quaddo in there? Is that a quaddo you got? The one time someone has a squib on a shirt, it's really early in the film and you can just see it. It looks like He's smuggling ten pounds of cellophane under his shirt or something like that.

But yeah, the squibs are big in this movie. Oh, uh I mean literally they're big in the movie. Yeah. And it it shows how much a cinematographer is this the same cinematographer as Robocop? I believe so, yeah. Cause the blood's redder in Robocop than it is. It's darker in this. And I don't know if that's like uh your recipe of blood or the lighting or what? I don't know. But uh a Martian influence perhaps. Uh you'd think it would be r even redder. I mean I love the reddit um uh

The dissolve that they do with the red blood to the surface of Mars when uh Schwarzenegger on the video phone is like, Get your ass to Mars. Oh yeah. Get your Astomars. blood like sprays out of the video photo in a way how he shoots a rat. And how does a rat have that much blood and viscera? That's bigger than the rat. The uh The Lee Harvey Oswald like

level of magic bullet skill that it would take to shoot that rat and then get the blood splatter perfectly so it could dissolve to the red surface of the moon. Uh pretty great. Yeah. I mean it's I'm glad they were able to actually do that. It's perfect. Yeah. Yeah. Uh wait, oh so the squid that you saw when it um blew up. Um

Did you see it blow up on that stunt man we saw in Robocop? The guy we were like, Oh, you see him in everything. Yeah. He's in the little like tussle at the end. He's in the first he's the one that goes with them. to beat him up in what could only be considered a public

metropolitan assassination cubicle. There's just nothing in this little area that Yeah, the but then I guess it becomes sort of like a public art installation. Yeah. When you see that little like the Jackson Pollock. That would be I'm surprised Verhoven didn't do that little tasty bit of satire. Oh like a blank canvas and then it gets spurted up there. Yeah. Yeah. Uh or like it it does go on a wall.

And then he leaves and then two art critics go in. They're like, I bloody love it. Me too. I bloody love it. I didn't even mean that. Okay. I I bloody love it. That that's a great joke.

It made me think of your uh palace guards. comedy routine and then I thought of one. Dude okay, a guy's doing stand-up and he's up there and he tells a joke and all you hear is crickets. But then you look in the audience and it's all crickets. And that's just the way they applaud. They loved the joke. Yeah,'cause I guess if they make that sound'cause they rub their legs together, when they clap, it probably makes the same goddamn sound. Right.

I think. They're like, no, we love it. This happens every time we come to chuck holes. Either that or we're trying to mate. And he's doing it and it's weird because for him he was doing specific humor for uh crickets. He's like He was. Don't you hate it when you think uh you're about to eat a fly and it's a raisin? They named a sport after you guys. You don't even get any royalties. Oh fuck you. No we didn't mean it. That's my time. I got the biggest chirp. All right.

thoughts and feelings. Um, so yeah, not only is was this the um Doing the Verhoven bookends with Robocop at the Verhoven bookends. Yes. Please come over to my home. I want to show you my Verhoven bookends. It reminds me of something I wrote down called Ironside's Paw. These are your notes. Well, I had to take them on my phone because I was inside. Yeah.

And so I wanted to print'em That's cool. It's just I just printed out my notes. I should print out my notes. That's fun. Normally I write'em in my notebook, but I'll I'll paste this in there'cause I like to have all my notes in these notebooks for posterity. And hey, if you ever get kidnapped in Europe and I have to come rescue you, I will not bring your movie notes with me. That's exactly why you left them with me, mailed them to me in the first place. That's right. What's that from?

Indiana Jones and the L the Lard. No. Do you want to real know the real Mad Magazine spoof title? I still remember it. Wait, let me guess. Indiana Jones and the I don't know, last facade or something. That's good. Better than Indiana Jones and his his last crude days. Oh. So we have the Verhoven bookends. The Ironside's paw. Ironside's paw is when he's talking to Sharon Stone on that video phone and she gives him a kiss and he just goes. He just killed'cause the book ends of his entrance.

So he does that at the end. I noticed Ironside did a little star turn on his video phone, which he initially calls him. He's looking away. So does Ronnie Cox. Oh my god, what a touch. What a to do the star reveal, like the knowledge to know as a as a filmmaker. Uh Um that's really good. Uh so and then the Ironside Paw, he like kind of runs it down the screen. Um so the Verahoven bookends, Ironside Paws. Uh but the Philip K. Dick doubleheader, we just did minority report. Yeah. Um

But I've also, since we watched Robocop Buddy, I kind of got on a Verhoven kick over the last uh like week. What else have you watched? I watched Basic Instinct. Okay. I watched Showgirls and I only really bring it up to say that um Mad Magazine's spoof of basic instinct. is my favorite Mad magazine. What one's that called? It's a lot better than his last crude days. Basic Instinct. Basically it stinks. Ha ha

I got a belly laugh out of that. That's good. That's good. Basically it stinks. Oh man. That's that's good.

All right, so what's your what's your experience what's your first experience with this movie? Same as Robocop baby. A B C Sunday night movie of the week. Oh, so you got the TV edit of this. Yeah, but then you know, like violence is a lot of times when you try to cut around it and stuff, your imagination fills the gaps or whatever. It has like different

A third tone added. It's like scary. Yeah. So yeah, man. Uh in the same way that the boardroom shoot up happened in RoboCop and they cut around it, but it still had like a truly like visceral effect when I saw when I was eight on TV. Um it's also like the invasiveness that it's on like The same channel and night that you watched America's Funniest Home videos. It's so bizarre how that could happen, you know. Uh but so I'm watching that. This one was the eyes bulgy now.

And the Quado stuff. Yeah. And then like him coming out of the belly. There was one other moment that um Well, what do they do for the three breasts? She just they shoot her from behind and Yeah, I forget. Everybody talks about her three bests, but nobody even talks about the fact that she had two vaginas. That's in the head. That's disgust. A lot more violence. If you put on the captions, you can see somebody off camera.

You can tell they ate her in. When she first shows her three brass, you hear a guy in the background go, what are two vaginas? She's got two vaginas, you know. Uh I do know. Sequel Who finally will see your two vaginas. Uh yeah, I mean would you say that is the the thing most remembered from total recall. If total recall is ever brought up in f daily in friendly conversation, casual conversation, it's either three boobs is good. It's either that or the line home in time for cornflakes.

But no. No, it's not. So much so that the remake of Total Recall has the three breasts in it.

That was all they could total recall. Right. Have you ever seen the new one? The remake? No. I would not watch it with a ten foot pole. Blasphemy. I've seen it. Watch stuff with a poll? Or no shut up Charles Manson did, you know, that's how he changed his TV channel in his prison cell, it's true, because Matt Gorley's

Um social studies teacher saw a special on the news about that. And he came in and he couldn't believe that Charles Manson was given a TV. And so he spent an hour telling the class how crazy he thought that was. Sweet sale from Agor. And recounted it for us. Thank you. You're welcome. Yeah, no problem. It is funny, Arnold, right how

They just stick in our memory. It's true. It's true. Like my buddy Paul Rust. One time he went to see um Freddie versus Jason. Oh yes. And he made a joke about Pepper and Del Tante Green Boons. I love those guys. Do you know ever since Will Smith slapped someone somewhere? I've been the producer. Oh yeah. Uh Will uh resigned after the uh uh Slap reversey. Why didn't they call it something like that? Yeah. Like Slapper Gade. No. It didn't really have a name. It was just sort of like

The slap. It's called the slap. Oh of course. That's why I It even eclipsed the network show called The Slap. Yeah. Do you think uh what was his name? Zach Queto. Zach Quinto. He was in the Slap. Was he?

Yeah, do you think when he was like watching the Oscars that night and he saw us up, he's like, We're done, we're screwed. We're f forget it. It's over. We're out of the cultural lexicon. We should have called it the kick. But the uh this one was definitely uh uh um Oh, Matt, we didn't ever really get back to the idea that Your s your sweet second child came and so we had the the funny

Uh redirect that we that you we had to reschedule. That was the whole reason you were bringing it up, and I interrupted you. I think we covered that. Uh uh the idea that we had to wait a week because you uh no, you said that you guys got uh unexpected that it came a week early. Yeah, she came a week early. Did we see the title? Of the baby?

Of uh the podcast. I think we said our names, but I don't know. I said with Gorley and Russ. We didn't cover people. You can there's a Patreon and it's got tons of stuff. uh patreon.com slash with gorley and rust. That's right. And you'll get bonus content, especially

While we're away, because the one thing we did is record ahead for the bonus content. So in the free feed, who knows? You're on your own. That's right. And uh uh uh and some fun uh yeah, real fun goodies. I mean over a hundred episodes, uh ninety five, I think. Ninety five episodes? Is that all? Seems like we would have done five. A hundred and ninety-eight. I have no idea. And then so many mailbags and commentaries. Uh I had my own little total recall moment there, Matt. What?

Well, y we were talking about the movie and then I kinda start jerking in the chair, like, No, we forgot the intro. Arnold, can you tone it down a little here in the studio? I was Underplane. I was that is toned down. Considered it toned down. I'm pretty sure uh I've said this before, but My friends and I, we were watching like the sixth day in high school that Schwarzenegger movie, and we were just like cracking up at the idea.

Laughing so hard at certain line readings where we'd all be like, And that was the best take. Yeah. Yeah, I'll lose the car. Okay, that's a wrap. That's a rap on Arnold. One line. Uh I uh

Really um just want to say I love those um opening credits with that Jerry Gold. Devil Superman credits. Yes they are'cause they're red and descending as opposed to and I think they also that smear that kind of happens. It does look like blood, but it also is like red Martian color. But the way it's sort of like forms and then dissolves, it feels like

a memory. It's like sort of like what's happening like in the you know? Yeah. He had this thing and then it kind of just like faded away. I agree. Um also that's probably like my favorite stuff about the movie is like In the same way minority report would deliver on the stuff that you like about mystery stuff, just like delivers on action stuff, but it flips it where it's like

How many times have we fucking seen the movie, action movie or not, where the guy is in the kitchen in the morning, he's like, I just feel like there's something out there and I'm not, you know, and she's like, Oh honey, you know, you're pay attention, you're you know. Um to twist that, that it's like, yeah, because you did experience something and you're yearning for the thing you had and the people around you, they're not just the naysayers who are going like,

Stick to the simple life. They're actually like there to make sure you don't get out of lime and drink like that's if you believe which which version do you believe? Oh that it could be A dream. As shown. Yeah. Yeah. I mean the whole thing the whole thing of him freaking out at recall is the beginning of his ego trip.

And the ending is he's still in it, but he doesn't want to wake up because he might go back to just, God forbid, Sharon Stone. I had such a crush on her when I saw this. Yeah. Uh well. Since I would say like the thing I like most, I'll put a pin in Sharon Stone's like the an amazing part of this movie. Yeah. Uh but just in terms of like the love story. But uh

It delivers on like that whatever, the hero's journey thing. Like there's something out there that I want to. And you know, I got so like twisting that is so cool. Right. And then The and is like so Beyond rad when in the last ten minutes of the movie you realize the hero I mean you know he's a bad guy when he

puts his arm in the video phone, p puts his arm around Ronnie Cox. You're like, oh, he fucked him over. But like When Ronnie Cox like spells it out in the last like few minutes of the movie to the hero, like You were this bad guy. It's only been the last like six weeks. You've like been doing good things. It's so fucking like.

That's like a huge twist on like a hero thing. And it's a truly justified villain monologue. Yes. That has to happen. Yes. I had a thought. That's true. Yeah. It's totally reasonable that he would. He doesn't have to say home in time for cornflake. But he does. Well, I think you are to get a license to shoot uh in these studios. You had to say that later.

That has to be an allusion to an old cornflakes ad that everybody but me knows. And I Google it. It's not. It's just something he says. A little uh home in time for cornflakes. Like what time is we have morning? What what what happens if you get home too late for cornflakes? There's a cornflake cutoff hour? I'm honey, I'm home. Jim, it's five oh five PM. But I thought I was No cornflakes for you. None. You're not home in time for them. And if you cared about me and Rascal Junior.

You would be here at 4.59 to make a minute prep. Bowl of cornflake.

Well, the same way, you know, Paul Verhoven has that funny story in Robocop where he didn't understand that, like, when the bad guy said to like one of his bad guy friends, hey brother. He was like he was like, Are they really brothers? And like, no, it's an expression. Maybe that's some sort of mistranslated like always with Verhoven, there's always a real mistran lost in translation thing that

just slips through the cracks. It's there already. Makes me wish that actually um, you know, the original director for Lost in Translation was Paul Veraho. That would have been awesome. Listen, it's Schwarzenegger. Listen, I gotta get back to No. He said I gotta get back to America, but I find I'm falling in love with you. Listen.

Uh Arnold, when you whisper in her ear, you you're too loud. We're hearing what you're saying. It's supposed to be supposed to be very quiet. Please do it that way. I'll try. He's a cat, rhubarb, rhubarb, wallah, wallah, wallah. Scarlet. Her name's not Scarlet. She has a character name. Do you think in the big pivotal end scene where Bill Murray whispers in her ear would have been achieved with Arnold he can't do it? He's like That's what I'm saying. Yes. Oh oh you thought what I was saying

Uh I gotta get back to America, but I find out I'm falling in love with you. No. Yeah. I was doing that scene. I see, I see Matthew. Quiet it down, please, Arnold. You got it, brother. No, I get it. You got it, brother. No, I'm not your brother. I'm your director. I gotta pee. I've had enough of myself. Naja, tre dag kvarer. Sen är det jag som ska bli expert på att göra absolut ingenting.

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All right, we're back. Matt, I wanted to circle back to what you were saying about the um idea that it was a dream. Uh start. From the flip out at recall. Right. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah. Is that kind of like a notion that gets uh sort of passed around about the movie and stuff, huh? I I think it's just there in the movie. I always assume you're supposed to I mean throughout the whole movie he's trying to figure out if if it's

Real or not. That's what yeah, what's cool about that scene when that guy shows up and he's like, I'm a representative here and I'm Yeah. Yeah. But then when he shoots him, I guess it could be still it's blue sky on Mars. That's part of the blue sky on Mars at the end. Yeah. Neat. And and I had Ray Baker, the guy who plays The recall salesman.

On I Was There Too. Oh, you did. He was so nice. About what movie? About Total Recall. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, and he uh I don't remember a damn thing. I don't know. But I remember he was nice. I was I uh uh you know. Like any red-blooded American male, I read the trivia sections for all the episodes of Tales from the Crypt. At Arthur last week I was reading the Artwood Schwarzenegger directed one and that actor, what's his name? Ray Baker. Ray Baker was in it and he it had a role in it.

And Arnold Schwarzenegger said, I like you, I wanna work with you again. I'm gonna put you in uh another movie. And then so that's how that guy kind of'cause doesn't it kinda seem like it should be played by Hart Bachner? Ellis from Die Hard. Yeah, it does seem like the person who comes to talk to you should be like Cool, suave, smooth, yeah. Not like a wonk. I'm not saying it should be. I really like Ray Berker in this. He's very good. He's good. Everybody in this.

I know him as the guy who eats the spider in arachnophobia. Oh okay. Um not his character. Just he walked I don't know, it's weirder that he did that or that they got to the movie Either way, win win. Yeah, it's true, it's true. Um But uh uh uh Blue Sky on Mars, man. I don't know if you're a Matthew Sweet fan. Is there a song? Yeah, the album called Blue Sky on Mars. Really? Yeah, yeah. Post

Post recall. Okay, from the movie,'cause I'm assuming maybe that's what it is in the book too. I don't know. He seems like he couldn't. I think it's from a book the the book'cause when I first read it, it was Matthew Sweet. It was like it's a reference to Blue Sky on uh, you know, Philip Dick thing. So then when I heard it in total recall, I was like, Oh, maybe Matthew Sweet, just like Is Blue Sky on Mars a better title than we can we can

Remember it for you wholesale? I mean they're both good titles. Philip K. Dick has got some good titles. Yeah. I can see why they don't translate

to movie titles, but well in the titular moment and the assular moment as far as I can he says uh we have to be careful or or or soon he might have total recall. Yeah. It's like, oh so that's what the title is. It's

It's still it's kinda like minority report too. It's just yeah it sounds cool, but I don't really know what the uh And Minority Report is the name of the story, right? The original story. Yeah, yeah. It is. And there's some cool things too, like the um You know, the mutants having sort of powers to be able to see the future is kinda like the the The mutant you could call. W what is a a a a a um a precog but a mutant? Right. That's true. And Dean Norris from Breaking Bad as

The main Oh, he's the toxic adventure kind of looking guy. Yeah. Um, I thought it was cool just uh putting in the lore of other sci-fi movies. when that guy comes and says, uh, Hey, Just take this and you'll wake up back in reality. It's a red pill. I th I have that same note. Yeah. All we ever talk about is the matrix red pill, but this is the same And it that's the same conceit too. It describes it as when you take this, your eyes will be back open to how you should really see.

C we see in the world. Now you can see why there's a bunch of conspiracy theories around red pilling. Is people's like, there's there's a second source. It's always been it's gotta be real. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Um, but this one looks like You see a close up on this one and it's like red glitter powder like like what a blood capsule used to look like. I think it also looks kinda like a tasty little Nyquil.

Yeah. Or like one of those capsules you put in the bath and it dissolves and there's like a sponge. Yes. A red sponge dinosaur in there. Well, if you can uh jam a huge uh giant like marble up your nose. I guess you could also put where does that thing go? No stretch marks after he takes that thing out. Also, who puts a towel around their head in that way? That towel hat

makes. Oh, the little turban. It's not even a turban, it's like a hard hat. It's it would take so much work to form a towel. I mean, obviously they make it so they can have different versions of the costume piece that they can put on and off. Yeah it's like But there's no way someone doesn't just wrap the towel around their head like this. It looks strange. Douglas, come on. It's like moment come on. Oh god. Do what it does.

You want me to do it fast or right? Anything worth doing is worth doing right.

You know, I did say so I was like, Oh, the best part is like those little cool like twists. And uh my favorite moment is when it's like, open your mind. And then it descends into that amazing model work and like the way it recreates how somebody could open up their mind and like in a way that's not corny. It just like uh it's very cool. Um my my really my only gripe.

with total recall is when you brought up Sharon Stone's great, she is Oh I I was saying I was super attracted to her. I don't know if she's great in this movie because she runs lines together like, what what happened to you, Douglas? Tell me. Yeah, she's not uh okay. I mean she's great. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. And and when you're acting next to Schwarzenegger, you can't help but deserve the Olivier Uh when um

It's their chemistry or whatever. It's it's how you watch a movie. Just whoever you first see the star with, if they have magnetism. Y your brain just kinda hooks into that. And then there's not enough time devoted to the relationsh the love story with um it's not Marissa, Melina? Melina. Yeah. That like That very ending moment when they decide to like stay together and like live on Mars together, like

That should if it's really working, that should be like the end of Raiders, but he's like with Marion. I know. But there's like no moment once he gets to Mars where they really get to have And it's'cause it's like built in, there's no way around like the idea that they had this pre existing thing you didn't get to see. It's like a problem you they probably just

You can't work out. Well, th I think there could you're right. I think there could have been a scene when they first get to Mars and they're in that little her little room. That despite They're f the fact that they're lost like if their chemistry came out in spite of that, that would really tell you something like they have a little exchange that shows that these no matter

who these people are in their current lives, they still are attracted and stripped together. It is a performance thing, not a script thing. If if it was like But there could have been something else in the script. I think a like a witty or like romantic thing where they brings them together more.

Yeah. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Cause he's in bed with Sharon Stone. So you have that in your m you know, like yeah, just something. I mean, she's cool. Like she should be she is like Mary and Raiden. You should yeah, great actor. Yes, yes, yes. She's true. Of the three l leads in the triangle, she's the best actor by far. Yes.

Yes. Yeah. And share a soda of course that uh would be in basically at Steve. All right. Yeah. Basically it stinks. But yeah, maybe if there was a scene where they're like you see the spark that they once had, and then also um Yeah, I'm trying I m d does Arnold Schwarzenegger ever in any movie have a love story that like really take goes to the next level? Garden cop with Penelope Ann Miller? I'm not even joking. Yeah. I mean

Good question. Does he rarely has a love interest? Penelope Ann Miller in nineteen ninety alone starred in movies with Marlon Brando, Robert Zeniro, the freshman. The freshman awakenings. Uh with Robert De Niro. The freshman with Marlon Barando and Mattino. And then uh uh Al Pacino. Carlitos Way. Yeah, yeah. And then um but then also um yeah, in kindergarten cop with I mean that's like a versatile act. And then she went away.

Yeah, it was um and then right, you're right. Al Pacino in ninety-three. There's a couple of other actors that she worked with where you're like, Remember who, but you're like, oh, the they were the biggest like A list actors of the time and the Well, she was in the Good Sun too, right? Yeah, was she the mommy? Yeah, I think so. I s I now see how old you were and you watched that movie. I hope. What if that's yeah, whoever you saw as a mother?

In a movie at the time you saw it as a kid, you forever refer to that person as the mommy. You're like, Oh man, in ordinary people, the mommy was real Wait, so I saw ordinary people when I was five? What? That doesn't work. Uh where do you come down on on Quato's voice because another moment I remember in the theater is when Quato speaks. The theater kind of went, what? He sounds like a neighbor. He just sounds like a Shakespearean audiobook reader, you know?

Or like hey, what's up, dude? Oh, you I hear like oh Relax. Take a deep breath. I don't know what's a better quato voice, but I'm pretty sure there's Something better than I yeah. I I you want something like throatier like whatever the muck is. Danny DeVito or Charles Fleischer. Yeah, as baby. Just do the baby hermit voice. Also

distinct Chucky vibes for sure face. And as someone who has a newborn who I am often holding who is secreting goo. And let me tell you, I have been targeted solely in this family. Sorry, Nell, you're gonna grow up one day and hear this story, but she understands. She projectile poo on me. A couple couple of weeks ago in a way I've never seen. It was a solid arcing stream, about a centimeter and a half thick, but it was consistent from

From beginning to terminus. And the tur the terminus was my pants. So like Arch? Arch. Because she was like I had her leg, you know, I was holding her legs up while I was changing her. And it just did this perfect like It would it be like s like when you need to see Uh liquid going in an arc in a theme park ride. Or Epcot when they have those jumpy

Water Except it's n it's like how they have a plastic tube and something moves in the tube. It was so so perfectly consistent and perfect in diameter from beginning to end. And color it was like mustard yellow and it just I w I had to be somewhere right away, so I had to change and didn't get it all. I thought I'd just change my pants, but then I saw later it was on my shirt.

That's good. She's peed on me. She's got anyway, she's maybe if we unlock reminds me of Quato. Maybe if we unlock the science of the art

Who we can unlock the science of the bullet that shot the rat, shot the blood onto the video screen. Yeah. Forget Kennedy. What bullet shot? Have we really gotta get to the bottom of it? Uh do you um You know, his job drilling big rocks? I think I'd be really good at that. Hey, is that Ernie Sabella who plays his character friend? Oh, that guy, yeah. Is it? Uh I think. So hey, you can't go scrambling your brains at recall, man. Come on. Um

What's interesting, you know, later you find out like, oh, he's a plant. Yeah. Or is he? Uh right. Is he a vegetable? Uh is he a minerable? Minerable? Um And you you you can play back certain moments and go like, Oh, they're trying to keep him away from Mars. So it's like his Sharon Stone, his coworker. It is interesting when he goes into recall the salesperson.

Goes, you sure you want to go to Mars? Don't you wanna go to Saturn? And it's the exact same planet that Sharon Stone is telling them like think about. But he seems surprised that there was a freak out. Like other than that, there's not really a tell that he like is in on the game. Yeah. But maybe that actor will get him on the show and ask him what his secret was as an actor. Um, Matt, I like this notion that like I think it might have been what rollerball.

Which was like, and it's a way to look at all these dystopian movies. And I'd never thought about it. It was like, um shit happens when you Freedom for comfort. And I thought it was like so funny that in total recall, it is that. And it's like the ultimate form of comfort that somebody wants, which is like If vacation was easier, it's sort of like yeah, you can go somewhere.

That should alone be like the pleasure of life. Right, right. But they're like, let's make it easier. And you just put it in your brain and you went on vacation. Uh that's like a yeah, uh a true little trade off that was made. But I'd be up for it. A schizoid embolism.

Where would you go? Would you choose a s a a sleazy athletic woman? She's demure. No, he changes from sleazy back to demure. I thought he goes sleazy demir, no sleazy. This is the Rorschach test of Matt Gorley and maybe you're right, because the whole time I'm going like she's not very demure. I wouldn't say she's sleazy. I think it goes sleazy. I just you know that little sleazy Schwarzenegger sound pad that they had for a while. It's too bad one of the buttons wasn't sleazy. Demua Demua.

I would have chosen a bald, elderly, Shy. Essentially the lady he cosplays as to get through security. Oh, that actress is so good. And you could feel her being directed by Verhoven. Yes. I mean the the commitment of that actor. You know how there's some kids who think like um because they love doing funny faces, they're like, I want to be an actor. Yeah. That would be their dream role. It's like you pull your lips to you look like you're pulling off your skin.

This is I was built for this. I wish Arnold would have kept that little uh yellow number on though. No. Once he takes the wig off. It's just like just keep that on. That would be kind of a cool look. His costume is pretty good, just that shirt. Yeah, I love the design of the wardrobe and the production. Like, it's that Robocop thing of like it looks like a frame from a like a heavy metal comic book or something, or like a comic book. Like his clothes are like

checkered in a way that you could see somebody like being able to reprint it. Yeah. Or or um the bad guy who's like the crew cut blonde guy with the glasses. He looks like a G.I. Joe like bad guy. Me too. I love that he's the only one that will kind of joke back at Richter. Yeah, I wish Richter had more of a posse like the in Robocop. Like those little specific baddies are so like delightful. Yeah. I also like how he sticks it to him by being like.

Hey, it kinda has to suck that Arnold Torsanegger is plowing your wife. That's what I mean,'cause someone else says something to him and he does no time for it, but he just suddenly loves this guy. That's why I keep him with me. He's funny. Yeah, he cracks me up and he calls me out when I need to be called out. Yeah, and I I need that. I'm a bad guy, but I'm I'm realistic. I'm a bad guy, but I'm not a worse guy. He also was the director of that face no more video epic.

What? Oh yeah. Feel it, see it, touch it today. Pick it, pick it, you never understand. I'm so good at like walking the glass.

Brilliant, you know, somebody who thinks about stuff and cares about stuff. There's on the nose and there's on the nose in a good way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. On the gills. And on like just whatever X factor somebody has to be thinking about this stuff.

But like even that scene when the guy comes and he's like, Hey, this is a simulation, uh, and I'm here to tell you, when he says that line, the moment when you're supposed and I love these moments when like you get convinced by like the bad guy or whatever. You're like, Oh, yeah. This is stupid. Why would he think he's a he's like, let's be real here. Are you this or that? Like I'm like, oh, he's got me. I I'm totally um uh tricked by this. It's cool. Yeah. Um the

Also that he imagines himself as a um secret agent. Uh he should have just imagined himself as true lie. Oh, and then they just cut to that movie. Yeah. Which one would you choose? Uh I think it was Playboy Millionaire. Uh Sports hero, secret agent, you'd be secret agent. For sure. I mean, uh I I feel like I'd been misre representing myself to everyone on this podcast and you if I didn't do that. But is it A vacation? No, it would be stressful and it would only be good as a memory.

Assuming you come out victorio victorious. And I guess you would when you play this game. It's like a video game that they help you win. Yeah. Right. They're not going to have you like on your first day just get like, Shot in your hotel room. You wake up and it's like it's like, oh fuck, I paid a thousand dollars for this shit. And the fact that it's called ego tripping is so good too. The double wordplay there is really great.

Yeah. Uh uh I I would have chosen uh Millionaire. That sounds fun. Although I don't want to have to like get chased by anybody. So Millionaire would be Продолжение следует... They transport you and it's uh Elon Musk the shit out of you. Ow, ow. He just goes back to his job, crack and rock. Oh no, you meant Elon Bus? Oh no, I meant Quaid. Quaid, get back there, cracking rocks where you belong. I love that there's a Mars today.

And that do you think they partnered with USA today or they just had the joke and like we're doing it anyway? And in the in the future P paper print marks today will be. I also noticed that when he goes to Venusville, I think, like some guy's like, magazines, magazines, I got some great magazines. Laminated ID card that's just all flimsy and

Yeah. Beautiful. It's good. It's good. Um I love all the real life architecture, whatever that neo-brutalist. The Mexico City. It was all shot in Mexico City. Looks so cool and really uh transportive. I mean, that feels like its own universe.

Uh it ain't Century City. No. Is this movie dystopian? Because that's the other thing. What we're only seeing is either a dream Or a version of society that's secret agent and but we don't really know much about the society. I mean, Mars is.

But that could be a dream. Yeah. We don't even know if this is truly a dystopian world. It is in it like theory, if you're dreaming vacations, that's kind of bleak. But yeah. Do you think like actually if you just stepped outside of this, it would just look like twenty twenty six today. Like even his rock job. Julian Rockstar is a a creation.

Yeah. And actually he's just like uh Yeah, he just walked into like a clinic in Pasadena and like sat down. They're like, okay, we'll uh hook you up. This is 2054. What's the most dystopian movie we've covered? Oh no, it's 2084. Sorry. Total recall, rollerball, RoboCop, Demolition Man, Escape from New York, or minority. 'Cause some are like physically dystopian, but some are more psychologically dystopian.

Hm. Yeah. And um some of them, you know, I think don't do offer up solutions that don't seem so bleak sometimes, you know. Yeah. Um I'd say demolition man, maybe.'Cause Escape from New York we don't we talked about this, we don't know what the rest of the world is like. Yeah. Maybe Rollerball because it is like sanctioned State sanctioned murder. That's true. That's pretty bad.

But uh I mean, uh you know as we have like a moment probably uh every uh dystopia episode is like the um Uh it is crazy when uh the kind of like declare martial law, they bring in the military to like protest and then the milit the guy turns the camera and says, Shut that fucking thing off.

And then that is the footage that they use then on the news. Yeah. Um I'm I know in nineteen eighty nine when this was shot, people had home recording that they could like capture what was happening on the streets and then be able to take it to the news, but That wasn't every yeah. That was just for America's funniest home videos. You never saw anything else. Uh and the idea of making Mars this like war-torn

sort of rebel of like kinda like the wild west, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um and I love the yeah, the twist of was like, hey, we brought you here'cause you have something in your brain and all these people were sort of like are little agents in the field that got you like I've seen this movie so many times and I still get tricked by the cabbie uh uh Denny uh Benny Benny Benny uh turning on him. Yeah. Yeah. Um but uh um just wanna

Really quick. Um Matt, I think it's very uh crucial to what are your feelings uh on Johnny Cab? I always think that the actor doing the voice and the model for the prosthetic is that actor that played Q on Star Trek The Next Generation. Do you know what I'm talking about? Oh yeah.

Yes. But it's not. That's my Mandela effect for this movie. The uh when you said Q though, it I realize they do a twist on the um James Bond stuff. Like he's his own Q uh gives him his gear. Yeah. And then at the end This sort it's like a very bon villain like It's in a big excavation area. Yeah. And he's sneaking around with a beautiful woman to take out the people. That's by design. Yeah. He wanted to be Vaughn. Um

Uh I wish Coato Lives would become more of like a cool graffiti that people get a dictionary. I I would sometimes see it. Yeah, I know. But I like one of the White House. Now would be a good time for Quato. Uh the Okay. Um

Sorry Matt, I'm just looking over the notes. But you know, we we talked about how mutants are psychics, three breasts. Um I did not know that that was uh Hank from uh Breaking Bad. Um I saw glass cube. Yes. Even in the future. Yeah. Right. They're they'll be cool. Yeah. Yuppies are not. Um The big line I yeah, you said consider that a divorce. Consider di-di-d-d-d-d divorce. That was a big uh moment. Uh consider the di divorce. Um

But then it's funny that like you know Michael Ironside is a true bad guy because he shoots the three-breasted woman. And the rest. What's worse, a rat or a goldfish? All horny guys and uh or non-horny guys and no horny guys Non horny guys and cats were thrilled about these scenes. Well, horny guys and not cats, they're very upset to see a three breasted woman and a rag go. But a non horny guy who loves cats watches this movie every day. And ironically, jerks off too.

With his Just during the Claudos scene'cause it seems like that guy's jacking off when Quado comes out when he turns around. I get that feeling, yeah. Cause he's like, ah But also Does that mean Quaddo's like kind of folds himself up inside? I think Quado would just be kinda like, Hey, uh My nose is always on your shirt. My lips are always touching Leave one button unbuttoned. Please, please, please.

Please. Please, can you wear more cotton that breathes, buddy? What's with this fucking corduroy? Stop eating so much pasta. There's only so much room on your midsection.

Oh yeah, do you think it's like a Siamese twin thing where like if that guy drinks, Quado gets drunk? I think so. Easy. Do you think There is a scene when Richter shoots the three breasted woman that those breasts were squibbed and I got cut.'Cause it feels like Verhoven isn't passing up that opportunity.

Does she get squibbed and she closes the ship? They didn't, just like the gag didn't work. Like on the day like Oh, I think he submitted it and that was one of the you know, he submitted an X rated version that they had to cut. And that was his like sacrificial lab was uh Uh the three breasts. But I would f it feels like very Verhoven to have one squib in each breast and it just goes off in a strafing line, you know?

I know that's gross, but No, I you're right. It is in line with this movie. Yeah. He tried to pull it off in Showgirls, I noticed. A three breasted woman does get shot again, but I think they had to cut it out. Um Oh oh. The idea too that he's like actually a bad guy, it it kinda is a early uh

Hint of what Terminator 2 would be. Like he was a bad guy who's now a good guy. Very similar. But between True Lize This and Terminator 2, there's a lot of carryover. Yeah. Of Schwarzenegger. Yeah, and just that he was doing Right, right. That's true. And then the last action here was like fantasy too. Um the W oh, this was the other like, I'll remember this forever because I saw it on TV when I was like too young.

the being able to stab the guy with the brace the uh oh yeah the the cuff the wrist restraint. The wrist restraint pulling up and jabbing it is like uh I feel a little bad for just that nice technician.

I know the technicians at the beginning kind of deserve it because they're sort of like the talkative dental hygienic, like the people who are like they deserve it. While you're going under and they're like being like, oh, it seems to be kind of knocking out fast, huh? Fuck you, I hear this. Yeah. Sexual orientation? And she goes, Mm.

Everybody's horny in Paul Verahoven's universe. Even the person who's like the clerk who helps you But even that, just like thank God you said hetero, because if you were gay, I I couldn't possibly be attracted to it.

Head throw. I do think uh with the comic type there was a missed opportunity. You know, there's the the blood coming out of the three breaths. I agree. Yeah. There's also the missed opportunity. There's no quip for after he kills the guy with the drill. Or I think they're actively avoiding quips in this movie. He does one or two, but when Richter's arms get pulled off, he just says, See you to paddy, Richter. Which may have been one he's already done. I don't know. But Yeah, but uh

Also right, with see you at the party. I was sort of like, what does that mean? I think you at the party with two with without your arms. I think they're playing against it, but he does have one. What is it? It's uh uh well there's the guy who's like you have a lot of this isn't a kill line. It's like you have a lot of nerve showing your face here. Look who's talking to That was good. Yeah. Look who's talking now, the one with the dogs. Uh That uh uh

Cox even gets it worse in this one. You know, in Robocop, he falls out the window, but in this one he falls out through a tube and then his eyes bulge. So Rob Butine had to build eye bulge models of Schwarzenegger, Rachel Ticketine, Ronnie Cox, and is that strange woman who goes through the

thing. Yeah, all those little they're so good. And then qu aquato. Quado. Uh and he had to build a separate Schwarzenegger to put the bug in. Yes. And then the guy actor who plays uh the Bad Stamp Bite Me guy is also a fake. Uh you know. Bad Stand By Me guy? The dad from Stand By Me is like Who's that? Um who's he in this movie? Uh he's Quaddo's. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Uh he's like a model too. Oh that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Uh so great work by uh Rob Boutine. You know, um

A lot of productions are in Canada. Did you know when he goes and works in Canada, he's Rob Poutine? Have you heard this? I think it might just be a sick joke. Yeah, by you.

That's sick, Paul. This is our last episode of the I can't work with this freak. You're canceled. Um I Kinda love the whole uh edding. Like Any every action movie should start with like I'm getting sucked out and I have to put my hand on a thing. I know. It's pretty good. I mean it's Or I'm losing my breath and we have to make sure the thing happens so I don't lose my breath. She's gotta get she's being sucked out and she's gotta get to the it is.

Yeah. Closure. Yes, that's true. And then yeah, when his eyes are bulging out, you're like desperately wanting him to get air. Yeah. I also love the a ale. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I also love that ending too because um, you know, it does the I you know, I like it when a movie starts to end like how it began'cause it gives me a little inner Hey, the movie's wrapping up and this is I that feels right. But it's also cool then because

Well, you're experiencing it, experiencing it, you're having like the memory of the beginning. So it's this cool little like you get your own little recall. Yeah. Um and uh It feels very raiders-y that ending, like the big atmosphere coming out of the sky. Yeah. It's the same similar effect with the dye and the water that they composite in. Um and uh

That's it. I, you know, as far as the other thought I just thought was cool was like there's something that is like kind of 1990 of like the idea that. Or where the 60s and the 90s meet, man, where it's like the idea that like corporate military control of third world nations is bad. Yeah. And what what the right thing to do is like make sure everybody has resources. Uh which is like um

I it's a very like satisfying uh ending to see people start breathing. This is a movie that I don't know if it's good. I don't know if it's bad. I just don't know if it's good. I just know it's fun. Very entertaining. Really good mo popcorn movie. Yes. Because it's got themes. It's not just pure entertainment, but they're not deep. And they're f but they're fun and they're good. It's it's a really fun movie. Yeah. Every scene

is cool. There's something cool that happens or something cool is said. Well let's recap this season for our rankings. Yes. And a merry dystopia now to you, Matt. Uh or or what's a what's a w way to say You know, you go Merry Christmas, but when you say goodbye to somebody at the end, I guess you say Merry Christmas again, right? You don't go like Mas Christ

I would say a very bleak dystopia now to you, sir. Yes, a very bleak dystopia now to you. Robocop, we each gave it a thirteen. Escape from New York, we both gave it an eleven. Rollerball, we both gave it a seven point five. Swing. Demolition man, we parted. I gave it an eight, you gave it a nine. Oh behave. Minority report, I gave it a ten, you gave it a twelve point five. I think I lar ordered the large cappuccino. Hello. Doing Mike Myers drops. Um I'm gonna give this

A ten. A ten? Um 1990. You're giving it a ten. No, eleven.

Yeah. I love this movie. I'm gonna do an 11 as well. That seems right. And what a run for uh Verhoven, like Robocop, Total Recall, Basic Instinct. Those are like huge blockbuster movies and Singular visions. And then Showgirls comes along and was a huge like flop for him, but now is like a zeit guy. Uh uh adored for you know for Something happened between

Basic Instinct and Showgirls where I think he was supposed to make Crus a Crusades movie with Arnold Schwarzenegger. I've heard all about that movie. Yeah. And that seems like a true like fork in the road. If he had done that, then it would have probably I mean Eventually, you know, it could have all collapsed. I wonder if that would have been successful because that would have been post-dihard. And Schwarzenegger's action movies post-diehard. Well, this one worked.

But I think this was is this his last great action movie? Oh well, there's you get Terminator 2 in True Lies. That's sorry, you're right. But no, you're right. There's something that happens around like When Die Hard and Speed kinda go, This is the way to do action movies. There's that like three to four year overlap where they're like crossfading. Yeah. But by the time you get to eraser, end of days. Collateral damage. Schwarzenegger is done. Yeah, is it like, um... an athlete where your body

I mean he's still, you know, obviously a buff dude. Yeah. But like An action hero must have his own little expiration date that he's probably conscious of. Yeah. And if you're not Bruce Willis, who can go and be in um Right. G. I. Joe. Yeah. Or mortal thoughts. Um, you know, do some of the deep dramatic work you really want to do. Uh, yeah, then it must be difficult. He I mean

There's people who came after him who are trying to be like him, but there's really nobody like before him like him. I mean, Sallone is a muscle-bound guy, but he's not so uniquely. No, Schwarzem was the like Coalescing of it all. Yes. And no one has like the rock. They've all tried but the rocks and Jean Claude Van Damme is sort of trafficking and the like European uh Yeah, and diesel they've just no one has hit it the same. Mm-hmm.

Well, he's one of a kind. This brings us to a wrap on Dystopia Now. I loved it. I loved it too. What a what a fun series of movies. So I'm still on paternity leave. I'm taking a little bit longer, but we have thank you, Matt, for coming and doing this. Thank you for um working working ahead with me, recording ahead with me. But We will be back for this scissor kill season. And in the meantime, after this, Paula and I are going to discuss some stuff that can come out.

In the meantime, we have a plan, we have an idea. So there will be more. Stay subscribed. Now's a really good time because you'll get more on the Patreon than you will on the free feed. So true. Yep. Um, thank you guys for listening and thanks for joining us for this season, everybody. Bye-bye. Bye.

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