THE DAY OF THE JACKAL

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Come and unleash your potential as a customer support expert at Sage. But I love you. Hard Truths. In cinemas January 31st. Paul, do you know what today is? Why, today is the day of the jackal. Oh, no!

Is it? It is the day. Hey, I don't want to bury the lead here, Matt. I loved this movie. Did you? Oh, I'm so glad. I'm so glad. I flipped out. Really? I loved it. Oh, God. Big time. Big time. Yeah. Do you just, I mean, I love this movie. I love Edward Fox. And then when he's topless spray painting a sports car.

I actually fall in love with Edward Fox. I think that's the point where audiences fell in love with Edward Fox. And then also his cleanliness. Not a touch of blue paint on that bod. No. He was able to spray paint with his shirt off, presumably so he doesn't get his shirt paint. But hey, I didn't see a speck of paint on you, buddy. You're doing great. And from someone who's currently involved in that kind of stuff, I'm just always covered.

In paint or schmutz. Yeah. I'm covered up in food all the time. Paul brought some pastries and donuts today because we're back after a bit of a pause. Yeah. One might say. Yeah. I feel like, well, in some ways, like a veterinarian because it...

We experience a bit of a pause. You would think a veterinarian would experience a lot of pause, not a bit of a pause. How about someone who occasionally uses a certain brand name Easter egg dye? Perfect, like we all do. I rarely use the Easter Bunny decorating dye in November. Well, this is with Gourley and Rust. I've got a mouthful of donuts. We're starting the season a little bit late, obviously. Let's just address...

For future. By one week. Yeah. Yep. We're all okay. Thank God. Yeah. So if you're listening to this in the year 3249. Just that year. Yeah. In January 2025, Los Angeles was hit with some really terrible wildfire. Matt, you had more of a front row experience with it. Just for a bit.

Uh, the, the evac zones were coming down the arroyo right at us. And to the point where at five in the morning, I thought we should pack. Yeah. And we did. And, um, and we had plenty of time and, and we were never mandatorily evacuated and our house was never as, you know, knock on wood. Cause the fire is still going by the way. It seems it's the majority of it is contained here in, in the Eaton fire in Altadena and the Palisades fire is still not majority contained, but I think we, we,

We're never horribly worried. It was the day, the Wednesday of last week when we started getting news of friends losing houses, dear friends, that it became a real tragedy. Yeah, this is nine days after that Wednesday. So it's the Friday after. And yeah, life is sort of getting back to normal. But you're right, the fires have not been contained. No, and...

We have been struggling. A lot of people have suffered, yes. Yeah, and we've been struggling with how and when to come back, because we were down in Long Beach, then Newport, solely for air quality sake, because the air quality index might say good, but they don't measure things like...

lead in asbestos from old houses that were burned. So we have a daughter, you have a daughter. So we're just like living in that world where you're like, what are we doing? Everybody else seems okay, but should we be wearing masks? We probably should. I have been. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, people are wearing masks. That's good. And yeah, so you guys went to Long Beach. Yeah, we went to Long Beach for...

I went for two nights, then I came home to check on things. The girls stayed down there. Then they went to Newport, and then I met them down there for a night.

Oh, yeah. Margo. You came back to check on Margo? No, we brought Margo down to Momo's house. Momo and Shay Shay. That's Amanda's mother and sister. Is that what Glenn calls her? Yeah. Oh, my gosh. But I will say just as a quick tab here. By the way, this is with Gourley and Rust if I haven't said that. And I'm Gourley. No, wait a minute. Start over. You're Gourley. You're Gourley. I'm Rusty. Maybe I've told this on the podcast before, but the reason she's called Momo is because...

because when Momo has a often jittered way of and jumbled way of speaking and when Glenn when she first met Glenn she meant to say oh you don't have a cone head like babies sometimes do because they get you know mashed up a little so she just said these words oh and you'll call me Momo cone head and I went that's it right there that's what she's being called and it's stuck we call her Momo for short but the full name is Momo cone head and then

Yeah. This is from the woman who brought you lawn junkie instead of lawn jockey. And, oh, oh my God. Imagining a lawn jockey who's like a William S. Burroughs style junkie, like on your front yard. And instead of Benjamin Netanyahu, she called him Boo Boo Netanyahu.

So we went down there for two nights and brought Margo down there. They have two cats, so Margo got her room to herself. Then when I came back home, I brought Margo home. How did she do on the road? Better? Well, we gave her some cat dope. Yep. Because Margo doesn't travel well. Yeah. What's the cat dope? Gabapentum? Gabapentum? Gabapentum? Gabapentum? Gabapentum? Gabapentum? Gabapentum? Gabapentum? Gabapentum? Gabapentum? Gabapentum? Gabapentum? Gabapentum? Gabapentum? Gabapentum? Gabapentum? Gabapentum? Gabapentum? Gabapentum? Gabapentum? Gabapentum? Gabapentum? Gabapentum? Gabapentum? Gabapentum? Gabapentum? Gabapentum? Gabapentum? Gabapentum?

Grab a pen. I got an idea. I don't want to lose. Why are you asking? You want some? Gabapentin, I think, is what it's called. Well, I knew somebody who, I wasn't asking for this reason, but I have heard that sometimes somebody was saying that the medication you get for vets, humans take them sometimes. I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah. Do you think the reverse is ever true? Yes. Where a cat or a dog knows that the human's medication, they're like, oh.

And not even, I mean, in like a substance abuse way, but just like, oh, I have such a cold. Yeah. That Benadryl seems to really work. And then they take their paws and they try to open up the... Watching Margo try to spray Flonase into her nose is one of my favorite pastimes. Well, it's childproof, not, you know, kiddie-proof. Yeah, and for a reason. So what about you? You guys got away as well, right?

Yes. Wednesday, school was canceled. Yes. So that was kind of like... Is school back on for you guys? Yep. Ours is still canceled. Ooh. Sorry for all those kids. Sad. Yeah. School was canceled that Wednesday and then for the rest of the week. And so on that Wednesday, went to... La Jolla. I like La Jolla. For a couple of days. Beautiful there. Yeah, it was nice. Some friends with kids also had gone down there, so the kids got to all hang out in the evening and stuff. It was cool.

The grown-ups were watching Arrival, and it was nighttime, so we didn't finish it. Because you fell asleep? Other people were like, oh, it's a long day, I've got to go. Yeah, understandable. But the kids came in, and we had to go, but the kids. They were captivated by arrival. Really? It was pretty cool. Oh, that's good to know. Yeah, that was neat. That bodes well for a world that needs scientists. Yeah. I was thinking how it would... I like the spaceships. That's what I was trying to say.

You did a great job. I stayed with my mouth stuffed full of donuts. Dry January, when the fires hit, went to decidedly wet January. The first seven days of January, I was running again. I was eating leafy greens. Fires hit. Bean and cheese burritos every day. Corona lights. No, not lights. What am I? Dry January? No.

That's great. Yeah. We were down there for two days. Then I had to come back with the dogs. And then same situation, waiting for the air quality to get better. Then I guess it's school resumes. So my daughter was disappointed because they weren't going out for recess for a few days and they were getting to watch movies. And so the day that they got to go outside.

I was like, how was it? She was like, I wish we were watching movies. Yeah, which I get. I guess they were watching Day of the Jackal. That's weird timing. I know. I was like, that is weird timing. I said that to her. I was like, that is weird timing. Why didn't we have her on this episode? She's a bit of a harsh critic. I think it would be very non-cozy. Okay, yeah. Yeah, she's like the red-letter media boys.

I love those Red Letter Media boys. They're fun. I can't stop with these donuts, Paul. Oh, eat them all? That's what they're there for? No, I got to save some for my dear daughter and wife, and Shay Shay's here, too. I hope I didn't Captain Sully that fritter by pulling off a piece. It doesn't look as nice with that little chunk out. What does that mean, Captain Sully? I didn't mean to Sully, but I added Captain. I guess saying Captain Sully.

Captain Sully really helped the word Sully, huh? Yeah. Before. That's true. That's something pretty bad. But now you're like, hey, come Sully me, please. So did Monsters, Inc. Wait, before that was a bad, that was a scary industry people didn't trust? John Goodman's character's name is Sully. Oh, yes. Isn't he? I thought you were saying that's an example of like, they restored the name. You know, you'd see Monsters, Inc.

Everywhere you went, you'd be like, oh, I don't want to go in there. That's a company of monsters. Well, let me show you the last time you'll hear chewing. You don't know. Hey, who are you? Peter Mayhew? Yes. As a matter of fact, I am. This is with Gourley and Russ. This season is called Intrigue We Trust with Gourley and Russ.

It's our first time, really, we've done it one-offs, but kind of drifting outside of horror slash thriller. Still in the thriller territory, though. You're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess the yuppie nightmares, there is a horror element to everything we've done before. Now, it's just intrigue and thriller. Yes, and the fact that it's intrigue, we trust. It's not in intrigue. Yeah. That means this series of movies that we're watching is chock full of...

Now, if you're a newish listener, you might be going, what the hell does that title really mean? Back in the old days, this podcast used to be called, the first season we ever did for Earwolf was called In Voorhees We Trust with Gourley and Rust. That's right, because the last names rhymed. Yeah, and perfectly. And Trust rhymed with Rust. I mean, it was all seamless. It was as if ordained by God. Then we decided to tackle it. I think it was. Oh, I don't do a podcast unless I get an actual.

Tangible, like burnt toast sign. A rolled up scroll. I've never once in my life received a nice rolled scroll. Or a message in a bottle. Yeah. Give me both. Yeah, you could kill two birds. Just put a rolled up scroll inside a message bottle. And that'll make me happy, buddy. That's all I want. That's all I want. Then we did In Myers We Trust with Geyers and Rust. Because it still had to rhyme. So I legally changed my name.

Thank you for doing that. I really appreciate that. Multiple times I changed my name. And I know it's been difficult now. You're now on certain, you're on different watch lists. I am on a few watch lists. It's been really difficult. Because that guy, there's a Geyer's guy who's pretty nasty. Yeah, although none of them are after Gourley. They're all after Geyer's, Gruger. In Kruger, we trust with Gruger and Rust, right? Gruger, I think, has a, he's not on,

A watch list, like a TSA one. He's like on Entertainment Weekly's watch list. Yeah, like this is Catch a Rising Star. Yes. And don't get me started on Gino Morph.

Because then we did an Alien series. This is a long way of saying you can listen to all of these by subscribing to our Patreon at patreon.com slash with Corley and Russ, where we also have feature-length film commentaries, mailbag episodes. You can live-screen this if you subscribe at the baby xenomorph level. Thank you for joining us. We got a good gang today because I figured out that not only should I announce this well in advance, but do a reminder the morning of.

And that's how this will work from now on. That's good, that's good. Because I was starting to worry because, you know, not a lot of people are free at 10 a.m. on a Wednesday. But when you give them advance notice and a reminder, look at this. Hey, you know who I bet would be free? Those monkeys. Like the band.

When I see them, they're just kind of hanging around their apartment. Oh, yeah. They get into misadventures every once in a while, but those guys seem like they have a lot of time to themselves. Well, what's your excuse? Who's still alive? Mickey Dolenz. He's the only one. He better be on here. He better be screaming. Hey, Mickey Dolenz, I hope you're there. Hey, his name kind of looks like, if you squinted, like monkeys. Mickey Dolenz, especially with that...

No, the monkeys is with an S. It's just not E-Y-S. It's E-E-S. But even better, if you spoonerize Mickey Dolenz, you get dicky mole ends. Oh. Ew. That's disgusting. I imagine like the tip of a penis having like a big hairy mole. So it's dicky mole ends. Do you hate dicky mole ends or claspers more? Oh my God.

I just don't want any claspers to be the Mickey. Oh God. If the two came together, what creation would they rot? Uh, the creation of barf in my mouth coming out, coming out of my mouth then too. Oh God. Well, this, this is, I, I'm glad we're back because I've missed you. I'm glad you're safe and being back adds just a touch of normalcy to it. Otherwise still crazy, you know.

dusty world out there. Yeah. It's great to see you. It's fun to talk about, uh, uh, movies. I was thinking how it's nice that, um, we don't, um, have to like, uh, every week talk about the, the headlines of our lives, the, the, the being able to just, uh, talk about fun stuff is cool. Um, so, uh, yeah, I think, um, with the fires though, it'll be all, uh,

I'm happy you are safe and your family is safe. Same, same. And I'm excited, too, to start the series and welcome anybody who's maybe coming and joining us for the first time because they're fans of Trig. I hope so. I mean, it's natural. There'll be some more people that may not be as interested into this. And to you, we say bless you to each their own. Oh, bless you, of course, of course. But to those new people that might have found their way who were scared.

too scared before, but are too intrigued to not listen to this, we welcome you. And it's a genre that we have enthusiasm and excitement for. So sometimes that's just the, you know, I'd listen to Roger Ebert's enthusiasm for a steak and shake burger. Yeah. In fact, I have.

I realized as I was saying that, I watched a profile of Roger Ebert where he explained why this steak and shake burger is good. Is that a Chicago joint? It's a Midwestern thing. There was one near Iowa City where I grew up, but they're like steak burgers.

I know. Isn't that like a perfect two words that are put together that you're like, oh, that sounds amazing. And they'd be open late. So, you know, you could go there at any hour. Open late and open faced. When I worked at Disney, the first job I had, the soap opera bistro where I'd do improv, soap opera style improv in this restaurant. At lunch, when I really wanted to treat myself, I'd go buy what at the time was...

unheard of for me to pay for for a sandwich $15 steak sandwich because it was so good and they'd give me like a you'd get like a I think maybe I could get it for $13 because of a discount or something but at the time that was still like no shit yeah although you go buy any sandwich now it's I know but if somebody was like a burger for $15 I'd be like okay okay that is a choice this was 23 years ago damn

Paying $15, albeit for a steak sandwich. I mean, still, yeah, right. It's not a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Was it a filet mignon? I couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell you. Was it prepared by Remy the Rat from Ratatouille? It was. Patton Oswalt worked in the kitchen there. Inside a hat. And tugging on another person's hair. Yeah. Yeah, the...

Yes, and I meant to compare ourselves to Roger Ebert. That was cool. I think it's fair. Two of us could make one Roger Ebert. That's true. That says a lot about Roger Ebert, that it would take five men. And I'm not talking about weight. No, I wasn't either. Yeah. Just talking about critical insight. Insights. Insights and thumbs. All right. That should have been the original title for Siskel and Ebert. Insights and thumbs.

It would take, if you were doing weight, it would take seven Edward Foxes to make Roger Ebert. Not because he's so big, but Edward Fox is just a dainty little man. Sinewy. Sinewy? But he carries himself. He has a presence. My first note for this film is Edward fucking Fox. Yeah. I've always loved this guy. Despite...

The notorious information you've heard about him, which Brantley Palmer, who gives us amazing research with every movie, he confirms this detail that has been, we've talked about on the podcast, but let new listeners and old listeners alike know. You can go to imdb.com and in his trivia is these words, claims to have never worn jeans. This guy. Okay, so.

Questions. Does that mean he's been on set before, do you think? And somebody's like, so Edward, I think when you're painting this car or when you go into the marketplace and you're walking through the marketplace in this movie, I think it'd be jolly good if you're wearing blue jeans. I don't think I would. I think he resists it. I don't think he's ever even had anyone propose this to him. For one thing, this movie.

His costume color palette is all beige and brown. You're right. And he wears a number of different suits. A real nice 73 beige and brown. If wine has its own year. It's so good. This is the year I was born. Can I recommend the beige and brown 1973? With a kind of Merlot colored ascot. Yes, yes. And he's... Ascot and ye shall receive. He's otherwise in war movies.

um, high class. He plays high class characters. Maybe if he had ever done like a Naval war movie, he would have been in jeans, but yeah, you're right. He's never been a, he's never had to play like a country Western singer. You're not going to catch Edward Fox in a.

ratty old pair of dungarees. He's going to have some fine wool. And obviously all these questions that I'm asking that are pointed about how he did this comes from a place of envy. I mean, I'll recognize that. I'd love to be able to share the fact that I've never worn denim. That would be cool. I've never worn denim. Hold on, mister. What?

You're the worst kind. You're a denim liar. You're somebody who wears denim. I'm a poser. Yeah. Actually, if I never wore denim in my life, I would be so depressed. I love jeans. I do, too. I'm a real jeans guy. I mean, when I come over here, I don't think I've ever worn anything more formal than jeans. I don't think so. If anything, it gets less formal. But sometimes you'll wear jeans, but then spats and patent leather shoes.

And a bright orange pair of pants. I just think that's funny, that Billy Joel song. When you see that, I'm like, this is cool. I never thought about that. What is he wearing? I mean, maybe he's saying it as like, this is ridiculous. I think he is. Yeah, he's not. He's being a...

It wouldn't surprise me that Mr. Joel has a little gleam in his eye with that line. You can't tie that guy down. He's a rascal. But, oh, so when I asked this, it comes from a place of envy. But his parents never, I mean, I guess he was born in an era, but like, I never had the opportunity, Matt.

Like, I had no choice. Before I was one, my parents were probably putting me in elastic band jeans. Oh, Wranglers. I was in Wranglers from the day I was born. And when they'd get little... I can't even be able to claim that because my parents and doctor donated me into a world of denim. Absolutely. And when I had open knees like you do, they'd put a... What were they called? They had a name, the patches. Ooh.

Oh, nice denim patch though. Yeah. They're like kid tough or something like that with T U F F. But yeah, Edward Fox kids can't spell and his brother, James Fox, who you'd recognize from a bunch of movies as well. In fact, he's in Patriot games and he looks a lot like him. He's kind of taller and a little bit curlier, darker hair, but that same aristocratic vibe, they were born.

Pre-war, I'm assuming. Right. They're both still alive. Oh, shit. Yeah. They ironically own a denim store. Oh, my God. I won't say I don't like them. Yeah, it's like how Sam Malone is a recovering alcoholic who's a bartender. Yeah. It's not like these guys were addicted to denim at one point. And Edward Fox's son, Freddie Fox, works quite a bit. He's in Slow Horses. Whoa. And when you know it's him, you go, I see it.

Wow, you can see the Fox resemblance. Yeah, but Freddie Fox is very pale. And Edward Fox, I don't know if it's makeup in this, but he's kind of, he's just a little sun-kissed, you know? Yes, yes, yeah. A good, I've noticed, of course, there's fake tans on men. We know that. But a nice bronzed tan. I was watching an old David Letterman clip.

He was interviewing the guy who's Captain Beefheart, which I found out I lived in an apartment. A Beefheartment? A Beefheartment. That when I'd go out in the back of the apartment, it touched the backyard of this home, and it was the childhood home of Captain Beefheart. That's crazy. My friend Ryan and Taryn, the back of their house touches Bronson Pinchot's house, where he lives with his mother. But I think maybe she died.

I made that up. I mean, hey, I would love to touch Bronson Pincho's backyard. Oh, yeah. To be a weed in that backyard. Do you think if I pitched his butt, if I pitched Bronson Pincho's butt, he'd go, don't be so scandalous. Yes, I do. I never, I loved...

Balky and Larry and Balky and the series finale of perfect strangers is bliss. What is it? Larry falls out of a hot air balloon and Balky's holding him by his nose. I remember this because I remember the commercial. Yes. Yes. I remember the commercials too. And I never saw it. And then when it like on iTunes, I could finally watch it. I was like tears streaming down my face laughing. So how does it end? Uh, Larry falls.

Oh, geez. And they never were. And then it zooms in on Balky's hand and it's covered in Larry's boogers. That's crazier than the dinosaurs season finale. Oh, right. Where the meteor. Yeah. For ABC being a cheery network, making family programming, they had some pretty grim stuff. Remember the end of Laverne and Shirley is they blow up 60-90. They blow up what? 60-90.

I do now. They were like, an explosive ending. They were like, literally? I mean, really, Laverne and Shirley? Really? They were 69ing? Yeah. The episode is... But Shirley left, remember? 22 minutes of them 69ing. Jeez. With a countdown in the corner. For their climax. Stay tuned. Because Shirley...

Cindy Williams left the show, but then she came back. When she read the script, it has to be me, she said. Did she have a replacement? Or was it just like the Penny Marshall show? I'm not sure she did. I think it basically became the Laverne show, and then they upped Lenny and Squiggy and Mrs. Babish and Carmine. Okay. Okay, I'll take your word for it. And Edward Fox has never worn jeans.

Yeah. Oh, this is my other question about Edward Fox. Do you think he ever refused to work with Denim Elliott? Oh, I'm sorry. Denholm. Den still close enough. He's on set. Don't you know I don't wear denim and I don't work with Denholms. Yes. And no Gene Hackmans. Thank you very much.

Oh, Edward Fox's nightmare situation is having to work with Gene Hackman. It probably would be because maybe Edward Fox, I can't tell. He seems a little serious. Yeah. He could be the only serious person on set. But he plays M in the unofficial James Bond movie, Never Say Never Again. He's really good. And he's funny in it. I thought this Day of the Jackal actually was like a...

It's not very funny. There's comic moments. I just meant funny and like, oh, this is a funny way of looking at it. Like a dark version of James Bond. Yeah. Where he gets called in because he's an expert by this kind of stodgy group to be like, this is your case and we want you to do it. Right. He seduces a woman who he has to use, who might be using him. It did seem like...

Oh, what if instead of a spy, it's a hitman and you're. Yeah. And you realize when you watch it, it doesn't seem that novel, but I can't think of much of anything like it before this. And really since. I know. Exactly, dude. I mean. A procedural of a hitman. Yeah. The killer is kind of like this. Yes, that's true. The killer is a lot like David Jackal and his next movie, Soderbergh's next movie. Next movie. Or Avengers. Yes. Yeah. But.

But Soderbergh's next movie, you're right. That's Fincher is the killer. But Soderbergh's next movie is called Black Bag, which I think is a throwback to like the whole Craft Covenants. Whoa. You know, those kind of movies. Sorry, excuse me. You weren't saying, getting the names confused. I was. You were moving on to a separate thing. No, I was. Oh, oh. But the, yeah, like the commissioner.

Who's the detective. Michael Lonsdale. Yes. Who's a Bond villain in Moonraker. He's the Moonraker. Yeah. Hugo Drax. And he's also great in Ronin. Oh. Which is another like potential intrigue movie. Yes. Yes. I love that movie. That's awesome. Yeah. He doesn't appear until like right around the hour mark of the movie. So you can't necessarily even like it is really it begins and ends.

following this uh killer which i was like yeah i can't think of too many um uh and even in the killer he somehow becomes a good guy because he's killing the nasty people who hired him to kill like with i mean in a way you could say it pulls it punches in the way that the day the jackal never does he yeah like i loved it for the like um

psycho Norman Bates thing, you know, when he tried to get the car down to the swamp and it doesn't sink. You're like, oh no, I hope it sinks. You're like, oh, I hope Norman Bates gets away with it. That's how I felt with Day of the Jackal. There were some times where I'm like, hey, if you're following somebody in a movie, you can't help eventually like hoping that they get some stuff right because it'd be satisfying to see. It's just a unique movie. I had to buy it this time because I just love to have this on. It's also,

historical fiction, which is interesting too, because the assassination attempt that happens in the beginning of the movie is based on a real, right. And then this kind of goes off, but how unique is that? And then it has the thing on, uh, I mean, uh, in Brantley's notes, uh, um, uh, uh, Howard, who's the, the, the, the director, uh, Zinneman, uh, he, uh, he was saying that was like the thing that, uh, made him interested in the book. It's just this kind of like,

You could, because Charles de Gaulle is living and you know in this movie. He's dead when they made the movie. He's two years dead. Oh, okay. Right, right. But you know this guy doesn't succeed. Right. So you're watching something that you know. But to look at it from the perspective of like, well, you can't prove.

That there was an assassin who was out there who was thwarted. It's not like science fiction. It's speculative. And then in Art Imitating Life, there was a terrorist who took on the name Carlos the Jackal because of this movie and its implications in popular history and stuff too. Yeah. And as a kid, I heard all these terms and I never knew which is what. And then along comes the Richard Gere, Jack Black, Bruce Willis movie, The Jackal. Yeah, The Jack Blackal.

I've never seen it. I didn't know Jack Black's in it. He plays basically the guy who gets him the gun. Oh. But in this case, it's like a giant, of course, like field howitzer machine gun. And who is it telling? Have I told this story? Who is telling me this?

Tell me if I've told this one here. But this just came up recently. I think it was maybe Patton Oswalt told me this when he was over for Bananas for Bonanza that when Jack Black was working on this movie with Bruce Willis on The Jackal, the director kept saying, go bigger, go bigger, go bigger, do your thing, do your thing. And right as he was about to say action, each time Bruce Willis would go, don't.

And Jack Black was like, what do I do? What do I do? And he wouldn't. And every time the director would say, go bigger, go bigger. And he kept doing it. And Bruce Willis kept going, do not do it. Wow. Yeah, you're in a position. Who do you serve in that moment? I know.

And that movie was Troubled, right? I remember it was Troubled production. I believe so. It's a fun watch because it's not great, but it follows the basic characters and beats of this movie. But I think it was Zinneman, not Forsythe, the author, that said, like, no, you can't do this. So they had to change the name from The Day of the Jackal to The Jackal. Okay, okay. And who's the target?

Is it... I'm trying to remember. George H.W. Bush? I can't remember who it is. Michael Dukakis? Well, I'm also started watching the TV show that just came out too, The Day of the Jackal with Eddie Redmayne and Lashana Lynch. I just thought of this, Matt. What? Edward Fox, Eddie Redmayne. A fox has a red mane. We got to tell them this. If they don't know this, they have to know. If this doesn't get them in jeans, nothing will.

Edward, put on your jeans. I don't have any bloody jeans. We all know you do. Yeah. Come on, look in that bottom drawer. You know you put jeans on. Your go bag is full of jeans. The target in the show is an Elon Musk type who's got this new, I'm not quite sure what it is, some software that's going to help the world. Software? Yeah, I know. I heard the show is fantastic.

I had heard mixed reviews. Then our very own Brantley said, I think you'd really like it. And a couple other people have said, I'm only halfway through and we are enjoying it. It dips sometimes into unintentional silliness, but in a fun way. And when it's good, it's really good. And it's got some great needle drops in it. Like, I don't know how this show's getting radio head. I'm not used to them showing up and things, but they are.

That's funny because I was going to say one of the unique things about this movie, that you're following a contract killer, that his target is a real figure, that they use real footage from a parade. There's all these unique things about the movie, but one of the most unique parts of it is the no score.

Yeah. Like it is such a cool ass movie to watch where, you know, cause obviously it's about somebody's like process, but just seeing a process be done, like laid out without music or dissolves. And a lot of times they'll do the thing where it'll be like the little pre-lap of the, the voice that's no, it'll, the voice will continue into the next scene.

So the guy will be like, and I want you to go down to that lake. And the down to the lake is already like on the shot of the lake and stuff. That stuff is so cool. And not having music to tell you how to feel or think and not having a marquee idol.

name known actors also like not telling you how to think or feel about the people is really refreshing we should get into this edward fox was a relative unknown so initially they were thinking like a robert redford or nicholson i think nicholson was even flown out to meet with them at one point but because they had secured european funding part of the stipulation was that they had to use a european actor right so um

That'd be funny if Jack Nicholson tried to pose as a guy from the UK. In order to qualify to play the role, he became like a chimney sweep for a year. Let me read the actors who were considered because... Considerino'd. Where'd they go? Yeah, Robert Redford.

Bobbert Bedford. But when they went to the... I'm not making a joke here. I heard Bobbert Bedford was also considered. Where are they? Sorry. No, all good. I'm just remembering... I don't know if they're in the notes or they're on IMDb who the British actors were, but one of them was Ian Richardson, who's one of my favorite English actors. He was at the...

The original House of Cards in England, he was the main guy. Oh, okay. But in the TV show of Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, he plays Bill Hayden, which is a pivotal role. Let me see if I can find it. You talk. Oh, yeah. I loved how in the thing of it, it's just all editing and stuff, like when he's making The Passport.

They have the, presumably they went to an airport just for this like 15 second scene where he kind of comes up behind that guy and just kind of like pilfers his little passport real quick. Yeah. And then you see the next thing he's doing has to do with passports. Like jumping around to different locations.

to having that much confidence in the movie that you can tell a story that way. And then also, yeah, I mean, having it be this killer. I mean, what would the equivalent... So this was made in 73, takes place in 63. So this would be like 2015.

a movie coming out now that would be based in 2015. Wait, this takes place in 63. Yeah. I don't think I even put that together. Oh, you're right. It does. In fact, I remarked at that because did you know calendars? Well, did you notice also when he goes to the gun maker, there is a magazine and a big cover on the magazine is Kennedy's face. And it almost seems like they're implying that this guy's involved in the Kennedy.

assassination somehow. Oh, right on. Because it's like, is it April or August? It's before Kennedy's assassination. Yes. And I don't know if that's intentional, but it feels like a little nugget that they put in there. That's cool. Yeah. It is funny. I was like thinking like you couldn't do this story with like Lee Harvey Oswald. I mean, he was suspected by some FBI people because he took a shot at like a congressman and stuff, but it never had this like.

as captivating as a cat and mouse, uh, set up. Yeah. It was sort of more like mouse ate all the cheese and the cat's like, uh, um, Roger Moore was considered for the jackal that. Wow. So this would have been just a couple of years after, um,

It's the same year that he started in Live and Let Die, but it's pre-Moonraker where they face off in Moonraker. This also has Derek Jacoby in it as the assistant to Michael Lonsdale, and I love him. Oh, that guy's great, yeah. Michael Caine was considered. Sorry. He'd be good.

It does help that, yeah. For me, Edward Fox is an unknown. So if they had somebody like a known person from England, like if they had cast the Jackal with like Prince Charles, it would have been really distracting for me. I can't find the other ones. And at that age, he probably would have been like not even really a fully grown man. He would have still been pretty young. So Prince Charles in his 20s, like portraying the Jackal.

I would stand up and walk out if I had bought a ticket for that movie with his big ears. He wouldn't even be a good assassin. He'd see the ears coming around the corner before he was the killer. Like Baby New Year. When I was watching this, I thought, oh, I could see why Gourley would love this. Why don't they make the whole movie out of mission prep? I know. Right? The whole movie is basically mission prep. Why don't they make the whole airplane out of the black box? I know. Somebody said to...

To Matt Gourley, why don't they make the whole movie out of mission prep since we love it so much? How useful it is. I like seeing a guy at a desk in a darkened room with a one nightstand and he's smoking a cigarette and putting together a fake document of any. That could be the whole movie. And then it happens to be Edward Fox doing it. Yeah. This is why you got to see Forest 10 from Navarone because Edward Fox is.

in some ways, the comic relief. Really? He's this tricky bomb maker, and there's this mission that they're all on, but it basically very quickly gets whittled down to four guys. Robert Shaw, Harrison Ford, Edward Fox, and Carl Weathers. Whoa! Only one of those actors never got to work with Spielberg. Edward Fox? Yeah. Did Carl Weathers? Carl Weathers is like a pre...

Like the movie came out after Rocky, but it was filmed before Rocky. He's playing one of the military guys in Close Encounters who says to Richard... Carl Weathers that? Yeah, yeah. I didn't know that. It's cool, yeah. I bet they rubbed it in with him. He's like, you've never worked with Spielberg like us. But he's in Force 10 from Navarone and he's wearing this like really tailored...

military like wool jacket that you know is kind of blousey at the top but then cuts in right at his waist and then those tight kind of slacks and a be a knit beanie with his bangs hanging out and he just looks so goddamn cool and he's so cavalier and he's he makes bombs out of like fake dog do and stuff like that is he like the the dandy of the force 10 yeah kind of he's a dandy pretty much in everything he plays yeah yeah um the um

I guess he didn't make a bomb, but it looks like he used the little clay that they make for bombs when he does the key thing in this. C4 plastic explosive, yeah. When he blew off the key so it wouldn't have any dust on it and then puts it in the little clay. Oh, my goodness. I know. I wanted to bring this up when you mentioned going to see the gun maker and the passport maker and stuff. This also reminded me of...

I mean, this movie came out after, but it's, like, one of the things I love about All the President's Men is that it's a collection of, like, one-seners. Oh, yeah. Like, an actor getting, like, one amazing scene to, like, be a really distinct and, like, defined character who's, like, has, like, a lot of, like, dimensions, but you only see them for one scene, and it's done by, like, you know. Yeah. Ned Beatty or something. Like, I love the...

the gun guy. Yeah. Like when he goes in and you can see in the gun makers eyes, he knows that this is getting used for nefarious reasons, but he's made his choice. I want to play that role in something. Cause the man with the golden gun has one of those guys too. Really? Yeah. Cause I like the document guy too. Yeah. Like fake ID guy. Uh, what, what is it in, um, uh, in the bond movie? It's the man with the golden gun and he makes the,

golden bullets for the man with the golden gun. And so Roger Moore tracks him down. Because he offered bullets. He offered also to make bullets in Day of the Jackal, right? He does, right? He makes the explosive bullets. Yeah. Yeah. And then... Oh, the procedural scene of him just painting watermelons, putting them in a net. Awesome. Oh, my God. Is he shirtless in that scene too? No, he's not. No, but I like that part because he should have been. Yeah.

And the fruit man that he's set up to shoot too, I'd like to imagine that one was shirtless as well. Yeah, I think he was. I like that part of the movie because if this is cat and mouse and the jackal is mouse and the commissioner, the police, the people who want him are the cat, this part of the movie is the...

cat knows about the mouse but the mouse doesn't know that the cat knows about him so like when he's like setting up that fruit and shooting it and stuff it's like jackal you don't even know you're taking your time target practicing here but the the vice is closing in on you buddy yeah and then getting to have that just that sort of back and forth then of when

Then he becomes aware that the cat is after him. And then the mouse finds a way to get away from the cat. So the cat is completely clueless. That's such little fun story moves. Edward Fox, he really blew up in England after this, but never moved to America like a lot of English actors did. And I wonder if he would have become pretty big. Yeah, what could have he...

uh, like in the late seventies, early throughout the eighties. And to this day, I wonder what his, uh, like stock role would be. I'm surprised he didn't show up in star Wars. I think he really was kind of a discerning guy who just didn't do anything.

He did some TV, but it was kind of higher quality. Although he did the Bond movie. I'm surprised he didn't show up in Superman or Star Wars or a Bond movie. Yeah, a proper Bond. I wonder why he didn't. Maybe he's just too similar to Bond. Yeah, and he did television? Or did he have his own series? Yeah, he had one or two. But they were kind of, I think, more a little... It'd be funny if they were like kid shows. He's like the host of like...

Double Dare. Rubber. Double Dare. I'm Edward Fox, and today is Double Dare. Welcome to Double Decker Dare. Double Decker Dare. Super sloppy Double Decker Dare. I just want to, I wonder if we could get to Freddie Fox and say, have you ever seen your dad in jeans?

Be honest. Right. And if he's got a chip on his shoulder about his actor dad, which all young actors with famous dads do, I bet he'd give it up. Yeah, because his dad's quite a bit older. He must have been older when he had him because Freddie Fox is fairly young. Freddie Fox is fairly... Freddie Fox is fairly feral. Freddie Fox is fairly feral. How old is... Edward Fox is currently...

Yeah. He's, oh my gosh, he's 125 years old. He's 87. Whoa. And still kicking. Yeah. He's in A Bridge Too Far as well. And Gandhi. And Johnny English strikes again. Okay, so he's not above. Not too discerning. No. And he's been in something as early as. Wait a minute. Johnny English struck again?

Oh, wait, he's in The Gentleman? I just can't believe that. Now I have to watch that. Johnny English had struck again. This is the first time I'm hearing that Johnny English has struck again. You didn't know that he had struck again? Yeah. I'm sorry to break it to you. He's in The Gentleman in 2024. Oh, I like that Gentleman movie. This is the show. Oh, I like that show. No, I don't know what's the show. It's based on that. Oh. Okay, I'll watch this then. Did you see the movie?

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Oh, can we talk Logo Loco real quick? Oh, yeah. So that Universal logo? Yeah. Classic. Yeah, classic. I recently watched The Jerk with my daughter, Mary. And the way I presented it was, hey, get ready for bed. You take a bath. will read to you and you get in the covers and then uh i'm gonna go away for about 15 minutes and pop some popcorn and then if you want to come out of bed and come downstairs and watch a movie with me like so by that point anything uh

It could be the most boring movie in the world. The Day of the Jackal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. She would be so bored silly by Day of the Jackal. It's like a bunch of old guys in 70s garb. But, I mean, that's my dream. But for a little kid, I could see that. But she came down, and we watched The Jerk. And I skipped over. There's the stuff with the, like.

motorcycle lady at the carnival that I fast forwarded through. And then there's a part later in the movie with a racial slur that I fast forwarded through too. There's a few of those. Yeah. But outside of those two moments, it's basically kind of like a PG.

So we were watching it, and Mary liked it. It was a fun watch together. But when that Universal logo, the same one that popped up for the Day of the Jackal, started the jerk, Mary asked me if the movie was 3D. And then I looked closely at the logo, and because the rings have this kind of weird dimensional thing, it probably looks like...

A blurry, when you're not wearing your 3D glasses sort of thing. Oh, that's cool. Maybe we should wear 3D glasses next time we see that universe. We'll see what we see. Maybe the Day of the Jackal was originally in 3D. I went to the Academy Museum. How was it? Oh, I thought it was an earthquake. No, I just touched this out of excitement and shook it. I'd never seen a movie at the Academy Museum. What did you see? They were having a 3D festival, and I went and saw Friday the 13th for 3D. Wow.

And Shelly was there. No, of course he was. Yes, of course he was. He goes to every screening. Of course he was. I said, no, and cut it off immediately going, what? Yes, of course he was. Did you talk to him? No, no, no. Too bashful. Did he talk to you? No, no, no. Of course he did. But I was knocked out by the 3D. Really? No, it wasn't an original print of the thing, so I can't.

I don't know if it was the standards of the movie when it came out. But were you wearing the red and blue? Yeah. Wow. Because it was a digital print, so it might have just been struck and then recently given a new enhanced 21st century 3D treatment. I can't tell. I mean, I know that it was digital, but I don't know if the 3D would have had the same technique or whatever.

The 3D in it is amazing. Really? It was like multiple planes. Oh, nice. It wasn't just like, I thought the movie was going to be only the 3D stuff is like the gags. Yeah. But the whole movie, you're looking at like front, foreground, middle ground, background. Wow. It was cool. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. That wasn't a post-conversion? That was always that way? Well, the movie was filmed with 3D cameras, but the post-conversion might have been the multiple planes thing. I wonder. Because that's the thing I thought.

ooh, the technology might not have been there for that. But the Academy Theater, it's like a theater and a museum, so there's no concessions. It's not like you come up with drinks. So it was really fun to be in a very proper museum watching a Friday the 13th movie. Did anyone speak or anything? Shelley? Shelley stood up and waved. The guy who gave the opening notes.

He was really, he was cool. He gave like a nice opening. And did he actually say Shelly's here? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if that was planned and Shelly just came up to him beforehand. Shelly started to come up to take the mic. The guy's like, no, no, Shelly. He calls him Shelly. But the gags like worked for me too. Like when stuff jumped out, it was a real, and people were cheering. It was a real fun experience. Oh, that's great.

And I knew it was going to be a real 3D movie because the Paramount logo, like the mountain and the stars were separated from each other. But the narrator at the beginning of this movie, he doesn't ever come back, but I love the passion, dispassionate, this did this, and then he went to the boat. I've had more cigarettes today than you've taken breaths of air.

My second note. My first note is Edward fucking Fox. My second note is his suits, hair, voice. Can you tell I'm in love with Edward Fox? Hey, Fox indeed, right? You're like emphasis on the Fox, less emphasis on the Edward. Did you catch the Last Crusade guy actor pop up? No. He's one of the interrogators. He's the guy at Brunewald Castle that goes...

This is a castle and we have many tapestries, but if you are a Scottish lord, I am Mickey Mouse. The I am Mickey Mouse guy is one of the people. And he shows up a lot in things. Because he's got a great face. He looks like the characters he has to be. I know. If you are Scottish lord, then I am Mickey Mouse. My next note is, speaking of the jackal, every part of his life.

and process appeals to me except the killing. I know there was a part where I did think like, this character probably appeals to people because he's not bound by like...

mores and conventions work a day routine yeah like when he was walking through that fruit marketplace and he bumped into like one of the people passing by he didn't stop to be like oh sorry yeah I was like oh this guy that's his dream so like I don't have to like follow little bits of etiquette here the I also thought it was cool like yeah when you were saying you get to see his process this movie is like so in love with process that like

And each individual character, how they have their own relationship to like work or something like at the beginning, those guys who are the chauffeurs who are like waiting for the cars that drive the politicians and they're all on their smoke break. And then it's like, boys, boys, come on, hurry up. The politicians are coming out. Or even less hurry up. Like I'm the guy that's supposed to warn you. So you look like you've always been helping them out. But I was like, oh, that's cool. This movie is like.

across all strata is like looking at people like because then one of my favorite sequences in the movie is when they have to check on that heiress socialite woman to see if she's dead in bed oh yeah like an ordinary movie would just have like the maid walking and be like ah but like i was like they're showing like they can't get to her so the gardener has to get a thing and break through the window yeah climb two stories yeah and i

you know, you know that this movie is competent and smart. So you go like, well, why are they showing that? And then it's like, Oh, cause it's like respect for everybody has to have their own like little. And because she also, that's like what's interesting about life is the little minutiae stuff that people have to do. And they had that whole scene where the.

I wrote, I just want to eat dinner in a countryside hotel while wearing an ascot and a cardigan. Pure romance. Oh, I know. Where they're eating separately, you know? Stealing glances, though. Stealing glances. Oh, my God. I liked how, yeah, that this movie is like a gritty version of like a spy movie or something. They're like, hey, those movies can kind of have fantastical things. We're going to make this as gritty and real as possible.

But, hey, you see when I see a lovely bird get bowed, like they still need to have like. Hey, and we're going to give you Edward Foxtopolis spray painting a car. So don't worry. There's someone for all comers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they like 70s British.

Not just, it's not a unique to exclusive to British people, but just like 70s, like misogyny will still rear. Don't worry. It'll still rear its head. Oh, don't worry. Yes, you will get it. It's de rigueur. But the, when he's in the, when they're traveling together. Oh, the, the sets that they're on and stuff. Now.

I truly mean this when I say this. The one flaw in this movie, my only complaint about this whole movie is... Be really careful, Paul. It's a nitpick. No, I'm kidding. You go. I wish they had filmed in real locations. Like when sets pop, it's glaring to me. Like the interior, you mean. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yes, without a doubt. I mean, that's what makes the movie amazing in some sequences. They're at the real locales. But when they do interiors...

it would kind of have a stagey set. Oh, interesting. I usually bump on that stuff. I did not notice it, I guess. Cause I was also like so enamored with Jules apartment, you know? Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's that, um, uncanny Valley thing where all that other stuff looks so real and true that when that stuff would pop up, I just, it would have been cool in that.

the police station, you can see out the window and see, yeah, double-decker buses go by or something like that. Yeah, you're right. Or when they're staying in a hotel together, that it would have, like, the feeling of, oh, you look out the window and you can kind of see Denmark for real outside there. But other than that, I mean, that's a very small complaint about loving a movie. Yeah. Would you...

Oh, I have a little bit of my own intrigue. What's that? To share here. You mentioned it earlier, but I'm going to go bloody rogue here and replace one of my movies. I'm replacing Crimson Tide with Patriot Games.

What happened? Why? Okay, so I've never seen Patriot Games. Well, we're going to get James Fox. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's right. We'll get another member of the Fox family. Yeah. And I've never seen him before. I know you like it. I had recently just watched Crimson Tide. That was probably on my mind, but I was like, I don't want to rewatch it. I love Crimson Tide. And then making sure Clancy.

got repped, I thought would be a fun way to... So is that cool with you? It's totally cool with me. If I do a swap-a-roo? It's even cool if we want to do both. Okay, well, we'll swap it out. If we feel like doing Crimson Tide, we can. But if there's a big uproar of denim Hackman lovers... I'm sorry, Gene Hackman lovers. No, you're entitled. If people want it. This has got Harrison Ford, Samuel L. Jackson, Sean Bean.

Mr. Bean. James Fox, Mr. Bean. Do you think there's ever a confusion with Sean Bean? Like, oh, we thought we invited the other Mr. Bean. You don't even have a turkey on your head, dude. Mr. Bean was supposed to play Ned Stark in Game of Thrones. That's Rowan Atkinson as Mr. Bean is. And Sean Bean showed up and people were just too embarrassed to stop him.

And Rowan Atkinson was late. So, hey, that teaches you to always be on time. And Sean Bean was supposed to be Mr. Bean. There was a... In Iowa, Denison, Iowa, I think, is where Donna Reed was born. And so every summer, they had the Donna Reed Festival where they would bring in actors. Paul Peterson, who played...

Donna Reed's son on the Donna Reed show. It was very cool of him. He organized this theater festival where there'd be celebrities would be flown in. So I remember Kathleen Freeman. Who's that? She came.

And I saw her walking down a hallway once. She was the nun in like the Blues Brothers. Oh, yeah. And in Gremlins 2, she's like the cook, the microwave with Marge lady. Oh, wait a minute. She's like, and I just saw her in Naked Gun 33. She's in everything. I just watched. She's awesome. Super funny. The Ladies Man with Jerry Lewis. Yes. Yes. Yes. She's, I mean, I chose three movies that I'm like, oh.

probably 70, the movie she's been in, where you go, oh, her, she's so funny. But I remember she came back once and I saw her. Because I only went to one festival and it was a good thing. I think they gave scholarships to kids who were interested in acting and theater and stuff like that. And I took an acting class that was taught by some, I guess, some Broadway expert, theater expert and stuff. And if you think,

old actors would enjoy telling their old acting stories to a group of rooms. They did. They all did. Never got an ounce of training. Oh no, no, no. I don't think I learned anything. It was just like them telling stories that they would tell at like a, you know, a theater Q&A or something like, I remember the acting teacher once went, it was this woman and she was like,

I realized she was telling an anecdote that she's told a hundred times when she said this. She was like, uh, and we were in our scene on stage and I was falling in love with him. He was falling in love with me and the set.

was falling on both of us. Oh my God. That's too clever. Yeah, that's too clever. Too written. She's also the person who somebody showed up five minutes late to this acting class. Now look, this is an acting class that's like being held in a high school classroom from like three to four for Monday through Thursday. So it's like a collection of like four hours. Nothing's getting probably learned here. We had to like do a scene and my scene was like two guys talking about like,

My mom wants me to take ballet lessons. I don't want to. And the other guy's like, you know, some football players take ballet to be good at coordination. I'm like, yeah, maybe I should take ballet lessons. Shit, stupid fucking scenes like that. Not as well written as her little anecdotes. Yeah, she wrote all the scenes. But somebody was like five minutes late.

And she was really big on being on time, right? And then like on the third or fourth day, somebody, yeah. And when they walked in late, this is so good. They walked in late. This is a kid who's just like, probably was just like hanging out on a farm with his friends. Summer ceramics class. Yes, exactly, exactly, exactly. Well said. They come in and the teacher, she went,

You are now fired from your first commercial acting job. Like, that's what happens in Hollywood. If you're five minutes late, you're fired. And that's not true. I know. They're like, wait, isn't the biggest move somebody makes is not showing up for three hours? I mean, maybe that's what she meant with first acting job. But still, I don't think a commercial...

would shoot itself in the foot that day by being like, you know, the actor was five minutes late. We got to fire him. But do we have a replacement? No. But a lesson of time. But we have moral high ground. We know the commercial will not be made. Yeah. It's called punctuality and it needs to be respected. In grad school.

Rose Marie, you remember Rose Marie from the Dick Van Dyke show in Hollywood Squares, was in a production in our repertory company. I wasn't in this show, but my friend was. And he had a part. It was a tiny black box theater, 99 seats. And it was like a room with people at a party. And Rose Marie and my friend Pete were seated at a table. And the main actioning was happening center stage. And she was old at this point, had to be driven to and from.

LA to Long Beach to do this and Pete was getting a lot of laughs that day and while the main action was going on like you know people talking and they're doing their acting you just hear your friends are here today they're gonna love you she's just talking to him out of character on stage and she's like acknowledging like the laughs are coming from

The audience is some of your friends? Yeah, the previous laughs. But while other people are talking in character, she just doesn't understand that she's not using a stage whisperer. That is so wild. Uh-oh, the headlines are going to read now.

Matt Gourley dishes on Rosemary's story. Oh, I know. We haven't talked about that. We don't have to. Yeah, that's right. But that's the thing. Yeah, Matt Gourley reveals Rosemary was a real tough case on set in 1996 Cal State Long Beach. That thing, though, of I love when you're at a production and you do sense that somebody's...

friends and family are in the audience just you feel a vibe it's special it's cute you know there's nothing to hate on but it's like uh the best is when it crosses a line and somebody in the audience like somebody comes out and goes you know go mark i love those that stuff is so good like a co-worker who's just so excited that this person is i would

When I was in grad school, I also was teaching, so I would have acting classes in the day. I'd take my classes, then we would do shows at night. And often, whatever teacher students sometimes would be, like, rooting for their teacher, you know? Yes! They would say something like that. Yes, yes. Yeah. Go teach! Go! I love all of the...

I'll pay you half up front, then the other half in completion of the job. That's cool. Yeah. I mean, that's the standard deal, right? Yeah, I wondered when we watch these spy movies, if that's going to be like a reoccurring thing. That's usually how it's done, yeah. Because it's like, you got to know that these people are legit. Right. But we're not paying you the full thing until you do the dirty work. Because you got to be legit too. Yeah, yeah. Honor among thieves. The other thing that I heard,

pop-up was a phrase was somebody said for your eyes only oh yeah and so was that just uh um i know that's an expression obviously but was that like a specific like mi6 i'm not sure about that i don't know if it's specific i think multiple spy agencies use it yeah i often see it

even abbreviated more where it's just eyes only. Oh, eyes only. Yeah. I don't mean I often see it like it comes across my desk that way. I am not a spy. We've made this very clear. You're not a spy. For the hundredth time. Why would I be so interested in spy stuff if I was a spy? Right. That would blow your cover. Yes. If anything, you'd be into gardening or something like that. Yeah.

Because I was hoping that in the movie you'd hear other Bond titles. Oh, yeah. So it was like, you definitely have the golden eye when it comes to these matters. Boy, that garden implement is so long, it really is a moon raker.

Oh my God, I never imagined the image of somebody with a log rake on Earth raking the moon up high. That's not what it is. No, I want it to be that. We built a device, Mr. Bond, that is a log rake that can rake the moon from Earth's surface. Moonraker is the third James Bond book from Fleming, and it's the name of a missile that goes really high. I just love the name.

Moonraker. That's so cool. It's so good. What is it in the movie? Is it still a missile or is it... No, Moonraker is... A code name? It's a shuttle, I think. Yeah, it's the shuttle that's going to take... This is how crazy. The book is just... Hugo Drax is going to launch a missile over London, I think. I can't remember exactly. London Bridge is falling down indeed. I know. And in the...

It's Hugo Drax has developed space shuttles so he can take his master race and live in space and then destroy the earth, but only humans, not vegetation, and then come back down and repopulate the earth. Hugo. You old devil. Well, the code word or the code name jackal.

for this the the name like where they're like uh what should we call you and he's like jackal i'm a little like dork but didn't you like how he figured out to shack call yeah and i love how um how the movie treats it yeah that it's not like this breakthrough like the guy does it and the other guy kind of rolls his eyes like if you want to believe that you can but it's true yeah uh what would yours be then you'd be the

The mango. No, don't make that decision for me. But M-A-N-G-O. Oh, you're right. I would be the mango. That's cool, though. And then you go, you can't have the mango, and you'd slap your butt like Chris Catan's character. You'd be Paru. Paru. From Peru.

Peru. Peruvian. Peruvian mangoes. Would you like to meet a Peruvian? And they go, yes. Does he have any mangoes? Oh, you want both of them, huh? That'd be good. Yeah, we're a team. So you would like, this is how they talk in code. So you would like some mangoes from Peru. Yeah, half now, half later. Half a bucket of mangoes from Peru, please. And then the other half in completion.

It's kind of like the Mad Magazine fold-in of code names. Yeah, it really is. And then I liked his little study montage. He goes to the library, he gets those, this ain't no microfiche. No.

They got big red books with the headlines in them. And when they have to go and check the passport names of all the people who applied, like all that pre-digital stuff is so cool. They're just like in an archive of huge books that they just page through. And they have specific standing podiums that are meant to hold huge books that you have to sift through. That is so cool. And I love too, he goes to the graveyard to find,

infant that died and you don't know why for a while yes you just you just have to follow along they do so many cool things of like not the not spoon feeding stuff like having that first detective who's kind of on this

you're seeing it through his end. He's kind of like, I think we need to do this. And in a conventional movie, that guy would automatically just be the hero, like the person you're following. But like, it takes its time until they get to the commissioner. What's his name? I forget his name. But he's like the main detective. He's the person that they think. Claude? Is his name Claude?

Claude Balls. Claude Balls is right. Yeah, it was a Revenge of the Tigers sort of situation. But in his intro, he's like, feeding his birds, you know. And I was like, is there ever in a movie or TV show or book a French crime solver who's not eccentric? Same with Michael Lonsdale, because in Ronin, have you seen Ronin?

No. He's kind of like a surgeon, but also kind of like a crime lord guy. And they come visit him because De Niro's been shot. And he's just painting miniatures of samurais. Oh, my God. Like a whole diorama. And in Munich, he plays a similar role, too. And he's cooking. He's always cooking. Oh, my God. He's the guy in Munich. Yeah, yeah. And I love that scene. That's like my favorite scene where he's like...

It's beautiful, like Tony Kushner dialogue about how you don't have the hands of a killer. Like they're cooking together. Yeah, that's so good. I wonder if he's kind of insisting on all this business he gets to do. Yeah, they're all, each of those are like, you wouldn't expect him to be doing this, right? And the more experience and...

cachet he has in the industry the more intricate they become because in this one he's just feeding pigeons yes and real quick but then by ronin would you please get me multiple pewter samurai figurines and a diorama hillside Could you write a monologue that suggests what I'm doing here is also like the nasty work I have to do. He talks about seppuku and everything. Has a villain ever had, any villain ever had something on their desk that...

they don't reference into what they're, it's a metaphor for what they're doing. Like, I love these birds. Yeah, just something very specific. I love erasers. They can manage to wipe out whatever needs to be wiped out at any moment. I'm trying to think if there's anything in Moonraker. He's got like, he's pigeon hunting. He's also got these two Dobermans. He has one of the best villain lines. What is it?

He meets Bond for the first time and Bond leaves. They have their like passive aggressive kind of, you know, show of wits and, and he leaves and he goes, follow, talks to his henchmen, like follow him. See that some harm comes to him. Oh, very cool. Very cool. That's good. That's good.

So he's more of the understated Bond guy. For sure, yeah. A villain trope that I noticed in this movie, and it might have been one of the early adapters given things you could or couldn't do in a movie. But when Edward Fox kills the woman, then he gets out of the bed and he's naked and he's walking around. I was thinking the villain,

who is seen all nude is kind of its own, like, I don't know if it makes them because then they're like tigers or something. There is something. Die Hard 2. Yes. Silence of the Lambs. Yes. I was just thinking of one. Oh, the Terminator movies. The Terminator. They're brought in nude.

10 to midnight, right? Yes. Running around naked the whole time. The whole movie is that he's running around naked the whole time. Jackmaster, 5,000. But it's so funny that like that does, you would think that makes somebody seem vulnerable. But if it's a bad guy doing it, it's like, oh, this guy's a badass. He's walking around with his fanny out. He's a pervert because he can walk around without clothes on. Yes. It suggests some sort of like.

He doesn't have a moral code. If he's willing to walk around in the buff, then you know he's willing to take human life. That's why you can know I've never killed anybody because I've never been naked and I've never worn jeans. Yeah. If I was a woman and I saw a naked man like walking, you know, post-coital walking through, I'd be like, hold on. What are you? What are you, Michael Bean?

He's not even a bad guy. I don't know why I used his name. Love the recreated 8mm surveillance footage where they're showing the guy. It's like black and white home video. And every day they're doing a presentation on a guy that they're watching. I love the recreation of the little black and white stuff.

You get the intro of The Girlfriend. Now, this is probably going to be a little bit of a segment on all these movies where I go, Gourley, explain it to me, because these movies sometimes get too Byzantine. Oh, wait till we get to Tinker Tailor. I'm not sure. Every time I watch the movie, and I've seen it many times, I have to re-understand it. Yeah, that's going to be me times 007. Okay. That woman...

did she lose somebody, a spy, and now she was pulled into this work, the pretty lady? Oh. Like, was that what was happening? It's like, we want you to do this, and we know you'll want to because you have, you lost somebody to these deadly games being played. Or was she just a regular spy? I'm trying to remember because I watched this pre-fires. That's right.

And I just watched it this morning, last night. Wait, so you should be telling me. I know. Well, this is the OAS. They were angry with Charles de Gaulle for pulling out troops out of Algeria. Yeah. And so it was mostly...

former military and current military that was involved in this terrorist organization trying to kill him. And I like the idea that like, if you're passionate, you couldn't be a good assassin. Like you need somebody who's dispassionate because they can keep their head. And the way he says it too, like, well, this is why you fail. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can't remember if she lost someone in that struggle. I forget. That'd be like if they, if you had to kill Urkel, you wouldn't choose somebody from the Winslow family. No.

You choose someone from... You get Balky. Day of the Balkal. Day of the Balkal. The person who's hot on his heels is Larry. Larry Appleton. You and I are a lot alike, Larry Appleton.

Instead of watermelon, I take figs from Meepos and put them in nets. Meepos. But one of my favorite plot lines of Perfect Strangers is, Balky's friends with an ex-con, and Larry doesn't want to spend the night. Oh, my God. And Balky says, well, cousin Larry, find it in your heart to forgive. Just because a man did something bad, you know, like those things. Larry should be listening to Balky. Yeah.

knows the facts of the matter. But the thing that makes Larry think that this guy's up to no good is he overhears some of the phone. Now this guy...

This ex-God now is a photographer. Okay. Oh, so he's going to shoot someone? Yes. So he's on the phone later years ago. This is what I'm going to do. I'm going to get the two of them together and I'm going to shoot them. Three's company playbook here. Or actually, I love Lucy even. Phrased only in a way that could be interpreted as killing somebody. Like nobody who's a photographer would ever say, I'm going to get the two of them together and I'm going to shoot them.

them i'm gonna load my um equipment that is appropriate for this job i'm gonna aim it point and shoot and we'll see how this develops oh my god that's really funny the only other note i have is just how procedural and dry this whole movie is and then in those last 15 seconds When the cop and Michael Lonsdale come in and he machine guns.

and Jackal goes flying back. That was like Zucker Brothers level. I know. Like a comic. He's blown into the wall. And it's what happens to Hugo Drax in Moonraker too. He gets blown out in airlock like that. Did he recommend? He did. What do you think? How did they do that? Was he on cable? I think so, yeah. And they used to do that in the Miami Vice live stunt show at Universal Studios. You can see this on YouTube if you watch the show. Early in the...

like one of the henchmen of the bad guys disappears and he comes back out this door and it's a double door and he comes out with a gun and, and Crocker to tub shoots him and he just gets yanked back on this cord. Oh my God. Mattress wall behind him. Boom. And then the door is shut and it's just, yeah. I mean, the way he did it like that he was doing like a, a snow angel. Like, yeah, I know just cause you get blown away. Doesn't mean you have to like separate your arms. I know. It almost seems like they,

built the set, like the wall on the floor and he jumps down because it's so, he flattens against the wall. I, when I saw that, I, I asked myself about that choice and I was like, I guess it must be, they want to give a really satisfying end. In a way it is. They've been on the trail of this guy for so long. You really want to see him like get blasted. Yeah. Let's have it be that. Yeah. He's like, yeah. Because I have learned, I've read that that does not happen even with a shotgun.

Yeah, that's what I was going to ask. In real life, what's the reality of it? This is not me being smart. I've read this. It's the physics concept of every action has an equal and opposite reaction. So even though a shotgun has a lot of power...

It's not what's coming out of the barrel because when you fire a shotgun, you recoil. And so some of that energy is going into you. So basically as much as the gun here recoils is what the body will do when it's hit. Interesting. I mean, to varying degrees. It's like how your feet are the same length as the space between your wrist and your elbow. Is that right?

Is this the size of my heart, my fist? I've always heard that too. And did you know if your hand is as big as your face? No, I'm not falling for that, Drax. You want a Hertz donut? Hey, wait a minute. What kind of donuts are these? Oh, Hertz. Hertz donuts. Oh, no. I asked for Avis donuts. Oh, when we talked about what year it was, that's because I noticed in the movie,

They had some weird calendars. And it wasn't just one person. Two different groups had this calendar where it was the year is engraved on the baseboard that holds the pages. So it said 1963, but it looks like a house number. It's put on the thing. And I'm like, so wait, you have to change the year base each time for the pages inside it? You think you could just...

You keep the base. You just change the pages inside it. I couldn't tell you. It made me furious. I almost stopped the movie. I understand. That falling off the horse stunt was good. If I was an actor or stuntman, I would be like, I'm never falling off a horse. It seems too unpredictable. Exactly. How can you control a horse stunt like that? I don't know. That's really putting your life in. I mean, Christopher Reeve.

Right. Became paralyzed from falling off a horse. That person spilled off the back and landed on their neck. No, thank you. I guess you've got to really trust the horse. We've discussed so much of my notes here, Matt, that I'm looking over. In fact, I think we've discussed them all. Oh, oh, oh.

I would love to ransack an apartment. The way they go into the Jackals apartment and throw it out and stuff, they're not dainty at all. No, there's part of me that cringes every time that happens because even right now, the safe house we're in, you can't see it on the other side. There's a bunch of plastic hanging and there's dust from construction, especially me feeling like it's ash, even though it's dust. I have this feeling of like, no, keep it tidy. Yeah.

But it's effective when I watch it. I know. But yeah, a maid would be like, the jackal's maid would be, if she was dead, spitting in her grave. I know. And that's not even his apartment, right? What was that guy's name? Like Carthrope? I can't remember what it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I liked when he has to go through the border and use a fake accent. Yeah. So they're like, what are you here for? Tourism.

I love tourism. His little car is so cool too. Yes. And how he has to paint. And I love that whole, they go through the whole thing of painting it and changing it. And then he gets in an accident right after that. That's all like. And that accident is good too. Yeah. Yeah. When he goes to the hotel and then they, or they go to the police station and they're.

They get all the documents from each hotel, from each city to know who's like signing in and stuff. It made me think, I was like, oh, I hope if I ever stay in a hotel, the staff puts me in the nice folder. Oh, yes, I know. But when I first saw it, it looked like somebody was like, we put the people who we think are nice in this file. I was like, I want that file to really exist. There's a big trope in spy.

movies and literature where the person signs in in hotels under different names. And it's not, I don't think shown in the movie Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, but George Smiley always checks in under Bericloff is his last name. Whoa! Isn't that a great hotel name? He's smart enough to make sure it's not like Jorge Frowney. It's pretty easy to...

No, it can't be him. It's the opposite. It can't be him. Another question. Did the Jackal visit that socialite woman purely to get that passport with her? Like he knew because he ripped it open after he they they did the well, they do. Well, I think he he he came to her because he was desperate.

Oh, the second time around? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. He had to get a place. Gotcha. Yeah. And the way he barges in with such confidence, too. I know, I know. When he dyes his hair in glasses, it's like Clark Kent. I know, it does look like Clark Kent. But also, like, Weezer frontman Rivers Cuomo. I love that he keeps his...

we've seen not only mission prep, but we've seen him mix hair dye and funnel it into an old spice container. Yes. And it then isn't used for another like two hours. And this movie. So like, uh, the games that are getting played the whole time that like, we're.

on the inside of his disguises each time until the end when he rolls up in that like one legged old man thing. I was like, the jackal got me. I didn't get to. He even jackaled. Yeah. They like kept that from us. And so when he rolls up like that, that was good. And also I like the suggestion that like this whole thing has like aged the jackal. Like so that by the end when he's like wearing that, like I noticed when he finally gets up into the apartment.

And it's time to do the thing and get the gun. He stands up from the couch. He just seems like, oh, God, this is the toughest job. And it's broken my spirit. But it works because he's just like an old man. But it's like, he doesn't have to fake that for anybody. So that's probably real old man fatigue he's got there. And we're talking, too, about a guy who has been told by the people that hired him, basically.

pull out a board. Yes. And is he going out of wanting to earn the money and complete the job or is it like a professional kind of.

I think it's professional pride because what's cool about it is he's picked at first for his lack of passion. Yeah. Like he'll be able to have clarity because he won't get enmeshed in the feelings of it. And so that part when he's like at that literal like fork in the road, well, not literal, there wasn't a big fork, but like, and he could either go to Italy or France and you can see like, he's like, I should go to Italy. That's the smart move.

But my pride. Speaking of Last Crusade, that's another tie-in too. Oh, right. Yeah. Well, I think somebody said in that scene, remember he uses the Lord's name in vain and he gets slapped and he's told that's for blasphemy. Blasphemy. Blasphemy. Blasphemy. You know those movies, That's Entertainment? Yeah.

Sean Connery's favorite movies are That's Blasphemy. That's blasphemy. Yeah, that's what I was going for. So many cool moments, like when he leaves the train and he just evades them, but then he sees the cops as he's getting away coming the other way to get him. I also love the, or I noticed,

The movie, because you keep going back to the same locations, they find new ways to make things interesting. So seeing how the commissioner gets more tired and he's drinking that Alka-Seltzer kind of drink. And he's shaving. Yes, when he finally gets the news that they come into the bathroom.

And they're like, so-and-so has been murdered. He's like, oh my God, we have to like, oh yeah, this movie just doesn't happen when he's at his desk. Sometimes he's away. But I noticed when he wiped his hands, it had the, do you remember those hand dryers that were like the cloth?

That would rotate through. Yes. Yes, I do remember those. They had one of those. And when I was a kid, we had one at a roller skating rink. Yeah. So you'd be in, the second time I mentioned my roller skating rink, the money. Get a room. Yeah. But you'd be like on your roller skates trying to draw your hands at the like rotating. But what was up with that? It seems so fucking gross. For those that don't remember this, it was like a wheel of.

Yeah. Like a rope, like a lasso of cloth that was bunched up and you would pull it out of this dispenser. But as you'd pull it, the bottom would go up to the top and then back through. And presumably was there some kind of cleanser in this thing? Not necessarily. Yeah. That was like disinfecting it, but not really. Right. So you would just reuse this thing. You'd just be pulling like a dirty undie material, like through a machine over and over again. And I never like,

The effort to pull it through to get to the other side never seemed worth what I was getting. Am I wrong in remembering it? Did it have like talcum powder in there or something that would kind of dry it as it went through? It felt, yeah, sort of dampy. And I was like, oh, is this from the chemicals inside that presumably clean it? But blast from the past. That's like, when have I ever seen one of those ever again? Do you remember they had toilet paper ones of those?

Oh my God. So gross. Are we to believe that he engaged in a homosexual relationship in order to get the housing? I don't think he did. No. Okay. I think he was just, just getting started with him and had, you know, I thought it was like in his mind, he has to be changing his profile so much each time that like if they knew him as betting a, a socialite.

uh, he'll meet a guy in a steam room and go home with him. Cause that would throw them off the, I'm curious. I want to read the book. Um, the audio book is free on if you have Spotify premium. Ooh, who reads it? Edward Fox. I wish. Oh my God. No, it's Gilbert Gottfried. I liked it when they read the micro machines guide. It only lasts 15 minutes.

I liked when the guy realized the holiday. He's like, yes, but what is Sunday? And the guy goes, the liberation! And he slaps his head with his palm. Yeah, so via Brantley's wonderful notes, and I had read this on IMDb too, that this was shot during the actual military parade. So all of these tanks and everything were being used. So I love this. Like the movie, like the third act or whatever, that last 20 minutes.

it found another like level to go to. I'm like, Oh, real parade shit. And they're having the character like walk through real crowds in character. But you can tell some of them are real bystanders. Cause like the, a lady like looks at the camera at one point. It's like, what's going on? Yeah. It'd be like, if you had like.

Somebody like Sherlock Holmes walking through like a public, like a mall. I know. And we sound so excited about a movie that is so boring and slow, but I mean that in a good way. That's my favorite thing about these movies. They, when they pull that one guy aside, the cops, apparently they had to do that a second time because people in the crowd were like, what are you doing to this guy? Whoa. And when the guy dressed as Chagall, who was a professional, um, DeGaulle, not Chagall, uh, DeGaulle impersonator.

People were really thrown because they knew that he was two years dead, but they couldn't wrap their heads around seeing him there and stuff at this parade. They thought it was Thriller. What? They thought like he had risen from the dead. I don't know why Thriller is the only reference I could make of somebody raising from the dead. But he was wearing that like red leather suit doing choreography in front of a brick wall.

Um, yeah, that, uh, that stuff was so cool. And the, uh, yeah, even just seeing the process of, uh, yeah, just because this movie's reaching its climax, we're not going to start like fudging stuff. We're going to show you like the process of what if you see a guy who's suspicious and you think it's him and then you have to pull him aside and it's not him. That stuff is awesome. Um, the, uh, um, the,

military parade, those aren't really in vogue anymore, huh? But Trump wanted to bring him back. Do you remember? He tried to do it in his first term, and dollars to donuts, we get one in his second term, which is in three days? Three days. Matt? This movie had a bit of a resonance with, you know,

seeing the process of an assassin and like when he's setting up in his little sniper's den and he can see the other secret service military people who are there to take him out, he can look at them first. It did make me think of Pennsylvania. I was just like, oh, that person was in a position where they were, could aim a gun and also see the people who are supposed to be disposing of him and he's getting around that. Yeah, it's crazy.

What was the Tom Cruise movie that was about the failed assassination of Hitler? Oh, Valkyrie. Yeah. Yeah. That's, yeah. I'm trying to think. I mean, I remember there was like a Boston Marathon movie recently. I'm trying to think of movies, but that isn't speculative like this is. Yeah.

And he's... And Zero Dark Thirty is like real deal. Or, you know, they're not inventing stuff. It's weird because Inglourious Bastards is kind of almost the closest you can get because it's historical fiction. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's it. The...

But the, yeah, the fake de Gaulle made me think of like the fake Queen Elizabeth and like naked gun. Yeah, I know. We could do a whole series on fake, you know. Well, the fake stuff too of when he's in his perch. I don't know if you saw it when he like looks out the window because the footage they maybe have is a little like misty. They have like some rain kind of coming down along the side of the window and stuff. I love that like mix of fakery.

And then what an ending with that unmarked grave, the guy getting buried, then the guy goes, well, if it wasn't him, then if he wasn't the jackal, then who would it have been? Like ending on this sort of like their own ambiguity. Like they can't necessarily have proof that that was the, no, I guess they could because they identify the guy and they're like, oh, that was the guy thereafter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there's no great like,

It's not the end of Star Wars where they're getting come down and get a medal. It's very unceremonious. Yes, unceremonious. And no one will have known any of this happened, really. And it's got a slightly abrupt ending that you want in a movie from this time, but it also has a little bit of closure, even if it's kind of bittersweet. It's just a great... I love this movie. Me too. And my favorite...

moment, just now I'm reflecting on how I love this movie. My favorite part was that kitchen kill. With the old lady? No, the guy from the Sears. Oh, yeah. He knows if he keeps the TV on, he's going to recognize, but that isn't even required. The guy being in the kitchen and just seeing...

the jackal walk towards him while this news is going on is enough for him to like, for it to click. And then this really cool Hitchcock-y thing of like, the camera doesn't see it. He just pulls him off into another room. And then the news bulletin ends and like the, like music kicks on. Like to not have a typical score. So you're only left with like the music that's like diegetic or whatever.

What a sequence. Holy cow. Holy moly. I'll remember that for the rest of my days, Matt. The Kitchen Kill. I'm so glad you liked it. Yeah. Should we rank it? We'll read Baby Xenomorph names in an upcoming episode this season. And how are you live screamers doing? Good? Yeah? Yeah, what do you rate this, Matt? I'm giving it a 13. That's awesome. People give it a...

Examples of the naked villain. Oh, what else? No, let's say American Psycho, which is good. Oh, yeah. That's right. That's right. Yeah. Thank you, Umar. I guess Jaws, too. Jaws, too? Jaws as well. Is what? Jaws isn't wearing any clothes. Oh, yeah. His claspers are showing. What are you going to give it, Paul?

Oh, somebody also asked, hey, did the jackal seduce that guy? The jewels. Yeah. I don't know. I didn't get the feeling they'd gotten that far. I just felt like that was his first afternoon there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But maybe. I don't like saunas, Matt. You what? I don't like saunas. Oh, no, me either. I don't like sweating. Yeah. Amanda likes saunas. I don't like them.

Yeah, I mean, it is what it is. It's uncomfortable. And also Jason, I heard he took out one of those hot rocks and he used it to open up a guy's tummy. He did. I thought the Jackal also had kind of a Jason moment with the license plate switch because he's in a forest and he snuck out and he watched that couple making out. And then while they were making out, he did bad business to them because they deserve it.

I will give it a 12. That's good. That's probably what I should. I should at least do a 12.5, but it's a sentimental favorite. Oh, let me ask. When was your first day with the Jackal? Not so long ago. I've always been aware of it, and I think it wasn't until maybe seven or eight years ago that I really sat down to watch it for the first time.

And then I've seen it a handful since. I mean, I've heard the title my whole life. And so to finally watch it and to have it be like real cool, that was a nice surprise. But I was always also aware of Carlos the Jackal. And I always thought that this just was a movie about Carlos the Jackal, even though I didn't really know who Carlos the Jackal was. He was that terrorist that was after the movie that started using the name because of the movie. Oh, double dork. You're not even original, man.

All right. I'm like, hey, Matt, I'm thinking about calling myself, I'm going to mail different bombs to people in academics and industry that I don't like. I'm going to call myself the Unabomber. Oh, cool name, Paul. Where'd you come up with that, you dipshit? No, it has to be from a movie that doesn't exist. I call myself the Freddy.

And I do what he does. I enter your dreams and give you poetic justice for your hobbies. You like chess, huh? Well, checkmate, bitch. You're on a giant chess board. I'm squishing you. You like the day of the jackal, huh? Well, it's Bastille Day or whatever the shit.

All right, next episode is Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. I bet. That's so exciting. Long time coming. Listen, just do yourself a favor. Block out the time you need for this movie. Put your phone away. There's a little homework element involved, but maybe you'll enjoy that. You've got to pay attention. Or actually, you don't have to, because we'll probably...

Do our best to elucidate the plot. Yeah, so what was the tip you gave about watching it, like to know the timeline difference? You said it before, just to refresh. Yeah, watch which glasses George Smiley's wearing. He gets new glasses in the beginning, and so when he has the new glasses, that's the current timeline. And when you're seeing something from the past, he's got his older glasses on. And that's like, the new glasses are kind of like those Venetian blind.

Yeah. Like punk rock. Yes. I'm trying to think if there's like, there's a glossary of terms you could even know. Like the circus is what they call the MI6 intelligence agency there. Yeah. The only circus with only clowns, only clowns. Now you're complicating it.

Chicken feed is intelligence that is given on purpose to make it seem like the spies are getting something. But in fact, it's controlled. So it seems like they're still... God, I can't even... I'm so tired. No, no, that's good. You'll figure it all out. Fake breadcrumbs. Yeah, we'll talk next time. Well, what a pleasure, Matt. And thank you all on the live screen for joining us. All right, get out there and get your jackal off. Yeah, get your jackal off.

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