SUPERMAN III

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Matt, can you imagine going to a multiplex in 1983 and you have the choice of seeing Superman 3? Return of the Jedi and Octopussy. Throw in a little never say never and you got yourself a deal. Never say never again. I would never say never again about those choices. Man, I would have gone to the La Marotta Mall. It was like a fourplex, and maybe all four of those movies would have been playing. Now, if you had to choose, what order would you watch those for?

like preference like if you got to choose what you're gonna you have a day most important you can bop around on the four screens and it's up to you which order you want to watch them in which order so I'm gonna I'm guaranteed I get to see all four oh you're you're guaranteed i own this multiplex and i'm saying matt come on in you can watch all four of these in new york

In your choice of sequence. Knowing what I know about the movies, I know I have a lot of questions. Have I never seen these movies or do I know what I know? You've never seen them before. I think that doesn't actually change. I think I'm going Superman 3. That's good. Never say never again. Octopussy. Return of the Jedi. Doing a bonbon. Yeah, I'm eating bonbons and having a bonpon. What about you? By the way, I own a movie theater as well. Oh, can I come? Uh-huh.

Is it playing the four movies? No, it's just my dinner with Andre on four screens. I don't know what you're that guy. I'm like, ah. But can we squeeze in a Terms of Endearment 2, please? Okay. Yes, Terms of Endearment 2. She's back! There is a Terms of Endearment 2. There is? The Evening Star. Oh my god. With Juliette Lewis and as the daughter of Deborah Winger and Shirley MacLaine.

She's got a wrangle in this chip off the old block. Wait, what? Oh, because, oh, right. And Nicholson makes a little cameo, too. No kidding. Nicholson makes a little cameo too. Feel free to clip that, guys, and use that as a sample. You know, Nicholson makes a cameo too.

Now I haven't even answered your question yet. You own a theater. We haven't even introduced the show, but let's wait for that. I like this little cold open. This is a real tease. This is our equivalent of the Superman 3 slapstick opening. Kind of a wild, crazy way to start this. episode. Well, I'm with you. I'm ending with... Return of the Jedi. I think that's a nice way to end the four movie run is with that explosion of the Death Star 2. There is a Death Star 2, you know? Juliette Lewis.

Nicholson makes a cameo too. Now, if I arrived at that theater, I'm going to be jonesing to watch some Superman 3 at the very top. But I'm a little apprehensive about going bonbon. I think I might want to break up my bonds. So... I will do. Octopussy Superman 3. Never say never again. Return of the Jedi. Strong start, strong finish. I get that. And do all of them involve some sort of... acknowledgement of the video game craze

because in Never Say Never Again, they do that weird video game poker thing. Yeah, World War III or whatever it's called. Yeah, and obviously Superman III. They play like a little Superman game. Yeah, and of course Octopussy, they play backgammon. do they yes is it video game back now it's old school yeah uh and then um return of the jedi um i believe

The Rancor is a boss. It's an 8-bit boss. There was a Return of the Jedi video game that was like an evolution in graphics, much like the kind of graphics in the Superman 3 video game, but really quickly... First of all, I want to say we have the windows open. Have you heard that helicopter? We're doing it all fresca today. We're not outside, but we're letting the breeze come in. I like the breeze coming in.

Part of the reason I might have gotten Superman 3 over with sooner was this is the first time I ever remember buzz about a movie before I'd seen the movie. Bad buzz. Everybody was saying this movie's not good. that it's just a missed step. It's not even a Superman movie. I think even Christopher Reeve thought that at a certain point. Didn't want to come back contractually obliged.

Yeah, I watched an interview, a contemporary interview with Christopher Reeve for this movie. There's this woman who did all these press junket interviews. I'll look up her name, but they've put up all of her stuff. Like the Josh Horwitz of her day? Of her day, yeah.

she they put up all these press junk interviews from like 20 years and they're unedited footage which is really cool so you get the raw footage of seeing like christopher reeves sitting down and her going christopher i just want to speak for that and she doesn't this is the only time i've ever heard her say this she was like you are so um

accommodating with these interviews. I just want to speak for myself and the rest of the press. We really appreciate all that you do with this. That's really nice to hear. And then she asks him about Superman 3. Yeah. And...

You can tell from his tone. And the whole reason for this interview is to be promoting the movie. And he says, he, you know, it's faint praise. It's like, if you love comic books you'll love this because it's you know there's action and it's two hours I just thought about it beforehand yeah but he does say he goes I miss the romance. he's like I miss the sentimentality

And he's like, the peak for me. And I was like, say it. I want to hear it. I know what you're going to say because I believe it too. He said the peak for me is the can you read my mind sequence in the first one. So, wow, he's publicizing this movie and he's saying you've already seen the best. yeah prior to this yeah not Richard Pryor but yeah you've seen this Richard Pryor oh my god now so when you were like

buying your ticket you had heard from other people who had seen the movie or like sort of industry press was sort of like Entertainment Tonight was saying. Like all of it. You could just tell and I think... I feel like I remember it more from parents.

It's just saying, like, what is this? This isn't Superman. Although everybody loved Richard Pryor at the time. I think the world did. That's why he gets featured in this. Warner Brothers wanted him featured more than Richard Lester did. They put footage back in. I think people just understood that

you're putting something in a vehicle where it doesn't fully belong or at least giving it too much time. Yes. And when I watch it, I haven't seen this movie in quite a while. I often get this mixed up with part four. I watch this once a year. Do you? Yes. Okay. I have a very soft spot in my heart. Okay, I'm glad to hear that because we'll get into it. We should say this is with Gourley and Russ. Here we go. I'm Gourley. And I'm Russ.

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commentaries, mailbag episodes. It's a treasure trove of delights. And we have a live stream where people come and they watch a live video of us talking about the show we got our friends joining us here and that's actually how this episode began matt remember i read somebody's comment where they're like hey this came out the same jeff said, hey, this came out the same year as Return of the Jedi and Octopussy.

And then I said, oh, if you went to the theater, you could. And Matt was like, hold that thought. Yeah. Let's do it for the pod. We're giving away gold. Yeah, so he said, roll it! And then that's how it began. But it's interesting that I remember more about the buzz of this movie than I remember seeing this movie. Yeah, so tell me about it. You saw it in the theater. I don't know. I must have. But I'm telling you, there was such a bad buzz that I remember. I'm not even sure.

Certainly in the summer of Jedi and Octopussy, I wouldn't have made it. But I was a huge Superman guy, so I think it would have been a big disappointment. It must have been pretty let down then if you don't have many memories in the theater scene. Do you have memories of seeing Octopussy and Jedi in the theater? I definitely do. Octopussy was the first Bond I ever saw. ever saw. Saw that at La Mirada theater. Same with Jedi. I don't remember this.

but I do remember feeling disappointed by the like pseudo elements of all the other ones are like the for lack of a better term ersatz like that ersatz lex luther you know ersatz miss tess mocker Yes. Ersot's Raws from 9 to 5. She does have a Roz quality. Or Roz from Monsters, Inc., however you want to do it. Roz is not a name that's given to characters with much... The production doesn't have much esteem. No, they're always...

there's women in skirt pantsuits or whatever skirt suits yes because there's also there's one in mr. mom too This is the era of the...

if a woman works in a corporate world, she's evil. Yes, yes, yes. And she's not fully woman, is the implication. No, exactly. I mean, speaking of Bonnet, it truly goes back to Rosa Klebb from Russia With Love with that same... like Soviet suit with the skirt and just the working woman cannot be cannot be warm you know cannot be yes and I think the dialectic of this movie in terms of gender as set up at the very beginning of the movie.

where at the unemployment line, the woman working behind the counter... The opening scene, by the way. I love it. Of a Superman movie. Yes. I love it. I mean... The opening. The cold opening. I think that's real-

I'm going to defend this movie so sadly. If I just need to look at this as a Richard Pryor movie that features Superman. Exactly. That's what I was going to say is I think it's kind of a brilliant way to start a part three of a movie is to be like, you know you're coming to a Superman movie. So what if we started it with a Richard Pryor movie? And, like, it looks like it's in a Richard Pryor movie. It sure does. It looks like Silver Streak or Stir Crazy or something. Yeah, it's based in reality.

He gets to go up and do a funny routine about how he's trying to find work and, hey, you can't kick me off unemployment. It's a little funny Richard Pryor routine. And so if you'd been watching it, you'd just be like, Wait, did I accidentally sit in? I thought I bought a ticket to the Superman movies. I know, and then it's only just kind of casually that Clark Kent enters. Yes. It's like they're trying to trick you into watching a Superman movie. Yes.

And the woman who works behind the counter at the unemployment office, like... They're Richard Lester I'm gonna put this at the feet of Richard Lester he only Women can only be two things. They can only be babe, babes, or hags. Am I pronouncing it by... midwestern a sound sometimes I like it though yeah you said hag hag I think but I said hag like in the hag it can only be war criminals war criminal corporate you know titans or whatever yeah but that yeah he's just like

You're either a beautiful bird, or a... Or a Ruitosa. Or a Ruitosa!

And then because it goes from her and then in the next scene is the blonde babe. And then the scene right after that is Lois Lane, babe, looking at a picture of Ross's... sister the assistant and her making a comment about her appearance yeah which I'll just say she is Hollywood ugly, which is like that woman, how she looks, even how she's like styled in the movie and dressed with her hair, which is supposed to be like unflattering. in 1983 or 2025.

If that woman walked into the room and styled like that, you would be like, that's an attractive woman. I actually really like that style. especially the one in Mr. Mom with the short hair who has that deep voice. That woman does it for me. It's so weird that this is always like pushed as like she's a homely and I'm like, I don't know. It's hard to tell in this movie because, again, there's an exponential drop-off in production quality to these films.

So this is the tipping point. I think Superman 2 was leading up to it. I think for me this is tipped over to Superman's suits a little threadbare. Maybe they haven't done the dye job on his hair as frequently. I kind of like it. He's got almost like a He doesn't have silver or gray in his hair, but when the light catches it, there's like a

When it becomes bad Superman, I like how the suit gets all dirty and he gets a five o'clock shadow. That's the best part of this movie and the mindset I need to get in because I'm still watching this in a sense, from Superman 1 and the magic that that brings. Yeah, you gotta let go of that. You really do. It's really the difference between from Russia with Love to

Let's say Moonraker. But that took 10 films. This gets there in two. The fact that when he's bad Superman, he suddenly has a Bronx accent... It's unbelievable. I love that. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. You just made me a different. Ah, what are you going to do? Yeah, come on. Come on. Yeah, the, um, uh, the.

the difference in the original and Superman three, you know, when we talked about Superman, we talked about like, Oh, it's, uh, a movie with majesty and has a mythic status and the way they do it is by taking like five different movie genres and giving each like act its own you know so it was like Sci-fi, epic, the John Ford Western giant.

uh used to be i know john ford didn't do those but like that style then the his girl friday style like a classic style then the classic style of a james bond movie and then the classic style of the disaster movie Superman 3? in comparison doesn't have different genres it has different Superman movies like it tries to cram in like four different like you got one movie that would just be the Superman and Richard Pryor

buddy movie. Like, Richard Pryor's in a Superman movie could be its own Superman movie. Then they have the Superman versus the supercomputer idea. Or Superman versus computers. Which was originally going to be Brainiac. Yeah. Thank you, Brantley Palmer, of course, for your excellent notes, as always. that originally was supposed to be Brainiac makes a computer that splits Superman into a good Superman and evil Superman. With Mr. Mitsublik or whatever involved as well. Yes.

who I can only imagine would have been played by... Wallace Shawn. Sweet little guy's name from Bonnie and Clyde. Oh, Michael J. Pollard. Yeah. Michael J. Pollard? in the superman superboy series played mr oh really yeah yeah yeah so good casting or derek jeter

Not Derek Jeter, Michael Jeter. Not Derek Jeter, I take it. I want a sort of evil, good Superman movie or a kind of more freaky Friday where Derek Jeter and Michael Jeter switch spots and Michael Jeter finds himself at home plate with a baseball bat. And Derek Jeter's doing Mr. Noodle. He's on the set of Evening Chain. Be like, what the fuck? And then there's also the... Superman in Smallville movie. And then there's the...

good Superman versus evil Superman movie. Which is like bizarro Superman. Bizarro Superman. Each of those could be their own Superman movie and they're sort of awkwardly all like jammed together. They sure are. I just don't think I've I know like Friday the 13th part 7 and 8 they get crazy 9.

but I don't feel like they're coming from so high a fall. And Bond movies are what they are, but there's something about the majesty of the first one. To get here by part three feels a little bit like it's... sullying it for me i need to let go of that because Has there ever been, can you think of a franchise that has given over its whole thing to be the vehicle of someone else that doesn't have anything to do with it, to be a star vehicle? That's a great question.

Yeah, what sequel? It'd be like a Bond movie saying... Let's put Robin Williams in this, and he's just going to be the, like, Not even the villain. That's the weird part. He's not the villain. He's a pawn. I'd say that, for me, is the big... I don't mind Richard Pryor in a Superman movie. And I once saw like a breakdown of the time, like a Superman fan actually went and broke down.

and added up all the minutes that... Because, you know, the big criticism of this movie is it's more a Richard Pryor movie than a Superman movie. So this person broke it down. And if you combine Clark Kent and Superman scenes together... He has more screen time. than Richard Pryor. But if you split up either Clark Kent or Superman, they have less time than Richard Pryor, which is crazy. That's crazy. But I would say...

That's all fine. I don't mind a Richard Pryor in a Superman movie or a backdoor Richard Pryor vehicle that's gussied up as a Superman thing. The problem with this movie is it doesn't even deliver on that because like you said like he's not quite a villain He's not quite a buddy

they really don't share any scenes together until the very, very end. I mean, the poster is him holding Richard Pryor, and you kind of want that to be in the first 20 minutes of the movie, not the last 10. And when they do have scenes together... Richard Pryor is playing like a character. He's either playing like the Texan guy, or he's going to Smallville to dress up like a Texan dude, or he's like that weird army general.

Yeah, because the Patton thing was big, I guess. Yeah, so you don't even get the crackle of, oh my god, a Richard Pryor character is with Superman. You get him doing Fletcher. I guess that's my thing, is that they move everything over to give you a Richard Pryor movie but you don't really get a good Richard Pryor movie and I think even he knew that because

In the research, he was saying he thought the script was shit. He called it a piece of shit. But he'd be the highest-paid black actor for $4 million. But he says it smells great. For a piece of shit, this smells great. Don't get me wrong. there are moments of lester's directing that i really enjoy and uh tip to i've mentioned this earlier on the podcast that jay chill was just

mentioning the similarities between Jacques Tati's playtime and especially the opening of this movie. I really loved the opening of this movie. He gets to do here full out what I think he wanted to do a little bit more in part two. I watched Playtime for the first time. Oh, you did? Hey, right on. I loved it so much. Isn't it amazing? It's so visually pleasing to look at, even though it's kind of like cold and modern, but set in the 60s.

It's just, I didn't realize it was such a meditation that it was just it's slower paced than any of the antics you see in the opening of this movie it's way slower and way more slow burn it's about like slowly building up and then like having it reach a peak and then

it kind of going back down and doing that sort of like five different times throughout the movie. You know, now that I think about it, it's kind of a Pete Gourley movie because it's like design and architecture and style, but with... good humor it seems it reminds me of something you'd go to a museum that would be showing in a video exhibit of just this like art artist did this performance art piece that's meant to be on loop yes and you can walk that's such a great point that you can walk in

watch it for like 10 minutes then walk back out then come back in i heard it's like really amazing i've never gotten to see playtime in a theater but i guess it's really cool how um You know how sound and a screen can kind of be where the speakers are? that it's designed so that when Jacques Tati wanted you to notice a particular type of business because you know it's a little where's Waldo sometimes it would get louder in the

in the corner that he wants your eye to go to. So your ear would pick up at first and then you'd look over and see it. How ingenious is that? And it's so cool that he built his own little city on a back lot, Jacques Tati. I didn't realize that. I mean, he went bankrupt. That's all the set. He put years and money and time all into this crazy project.

that i don't think i think it was a little like you know one from the heart style i was like yeah dumped all of his money went bankrupt didn't make another i mean copa made a movie soon after but

For him, it was... He never made another one? He did later, but it didn't have the same scope and scale as Playtime. My favorite thing in Playtime is the guy who, when the glass window breaks, the doorman and he holds he has to pantomime the door being opened that's really good oh god the restaurant restaurant sequence is amazing it's so good yeah it's so good and I love the little um that beautiful touch of

It's a movie that takes place in Paris, and in a reflection of glass, you see, like, the Eiffel Tower. That's so cool. I probably should have watched this movie after Superman 3, but I watched it before, and so... Oh, that seems like the right order, because you go in knowing how to watch it. Yeah, but the elegant... sophistication and like almost the ASMR pleasure of it. Yes. Was a little jarring when I sat down. I don't mean to rip on Superman 3. No, go for it. It's just...

I know it's a piece of shit that smells good. I'm surprised I don't have more nostalgia for this because it was on cable all the time and I watched it a lot on cable along with Octopussy. So... You would think I would have more, but I think because I was such, as a kid, so big into Superman 2, even that didn't hold up as well for me to Superman 1 more. Yes. But I guess...

For some reason, most movies from that era, I keep grandfathered in and don't look at them critically. This one doesn't pass that test for me, I guess. I know you weren't. I'm just giving it arbitrary. If I was born in 1968 and I saw the first Superman when I was 10, and then I see Superman 2 when I'm 13, And then I went to see Superman 3 when I was 15, and that opening started with the slapstick comedy stuff.

I would be extremely disappointed. I would be like, what is this shit I'm looking at? Now, I saw this movie when I was like five. Oh yeah, big time. I can't imagine a better movie for a kid. Like, you're watching... action-y special effects stunt stuff that's like a human cartoon. For me as a kid, it was like the first time I was like, I didn't know you could make a live-action cartoon with

I mean, what a guy who's a blind man loses a seeing eye dog and then he holds onto a yellow paint. The machine that puts the yellow lines in a road, he grabs onto. and then manages to go over a manhole because he steps on a guy's head. That is literally a Mr. Magoo cartoon. It reminds me of Popeye and I loved all that stuff. And I loved like

I wish all the rest of the movie had that mastery to it, that kind of... It speaks to the kind of schizoid nature of this movie in general, that it does that for a bit and then drops it and never comes back to it. Because I love that Rube Goldberg cause and effect thing of the paint falling on the guy, the bucket, he knocks over the gumball machine, which makes the gumballs go out makes the mime trip yeah makes the guy throw the pie and uh makes

Clark have to move the pie to go in the other guy's face so it doesn't go in the woman's face. And also just like the... comedy aside slapstick stuff aside it's also a pretty cool way to start a superman movie which is like it's throwing multiple crises and disasters at you. It had to have been the intended opening, right? And Warner Brothers made them put that unemployment office seen in first because it's such

to start with this big thing makes so much more sense. Plus, you're starting with Clark Kent. It is like the comedy version of a James Bond opening. Yes, that's what I'm saying. Where instead of action, it's like comedy. Like, if you just started with this kind of... bravura silent comedy gang and the music's awesome too I love that it kind of has this like

action movie score underneath slapstick. You get so little of the Superman theme in this movie. Oh, dude. Once, maybe? When the Superman theme comes, I mean...

If you really wanted to show the differences between the first Superman and the Superman 3, you would just have to look at the opening credits. Because, I mean, is there a bigger, more epic... opening credits sequence in the original superman i mean those credits come out at you and they have these big sounds and they take like five minutes yeah And when Superman finally shows up on screen, it's like, you're like, fuck yes, Superman. Fuck yes. Fuck yes. But in Superman 3, It's like,

When the Superman 3 credit comes up, it doesn't have the music. It's crammed underneath a shot of payphones knocking over each other like dominoes. You don't even really notice the Superman 3 come up. When the theme does come up in the opening credits. It's for Giorgio Moroder's title. I know. So it comes up and it's like, did he plan that? It's like Giorgio Moroder's like, but I love the like, propulsiveness of

the bank robbers run out of the bank and that guy slides down that brick slanted wall while the guy's in the water and the car's getting filled up with water so Superman has to do both and run around. That stuff's awesome. I don't think the movie gets better than that.

and very little of it has to do with Superman or Richard Pryor. That's true. The problem I have is that I can feel even as a kid i could feel the behind the scenes problems seeping through the fact that not only is lois lane being sent off she's not looking good and i don't mean that like she doesn't look good pretty or anything like that I feel like you can see she's going through a divorce that she needs the money all of this stuff everybody seems tired and older yeah Christopher Reeve doesn't

Jimmy Olsen makes a reference to, like, most of my friends are still in high school. I'm like, elderly high school? I will say Christopher Reeve is still doing his work. He's still trying. Yes. But the fact that they get rid of Lois Lane and it's all because of a of a behind the scenes dispute and get rid of her in the most sitcom style fashion of I'm going on a vacation with a bikini so you got I'm going to Bermuda holds up a bikini now if there wasn't a part four

And I know she comes back at the very, very end of Superman 3, so it's not the end of her character. But one of the ends of her character would be her holding up a bikini and saying literally to the office, Bye! Bye! Bye! What a sad end to that character. No Lois Lane. Even the Lois Lane you do get seems like she's a little frazzled. Not the character. No good music. per se you know it's no John Williams yeah the

then Superman is limited. It's just, I guess that's the thing is that I'm watching something that's making me want something more or else or something. Yes, I think the... The movie has won. I like the slapstick section a whole bunch on terms of a thrilling action level. I do like the chemical plant. explosion fire sequence. I like when he fights himself.

Oh, I didn't think about that being an action sequence because it was like I was in the train of thought of like, it has to be Superman rescuing. No, my favorite part of the movie is...

Good Superman versus evil Superman. It's the effing the best. So much of this movie would work in an actual comic book because you get away with so much in a comic book. But when it's translated to screen is when it starts to feel silly. But I do like you don't fully get it explained that he just kind of concentrates and is able to separate the Clark Kent from the

A diamond forms in his forehead and it beams out Clark Kent. I mean, what's that shit? That is, like, wild. It's just, like, Clark Kent emerging and then, I don't know, there's a lot that isn't explained. I know. The laser that just becomes a, like, plastic bubble. I love... That plastic bubble that the supercomputer puts him in at the end. I love the texture of that. I know.

The tactile-ness of this movie is beautiful. I do too. And I love when that woman gets turned into the killer robot. The initial... Not when she comes out and she's in a fright wig and obviously a very different woman. Yes. But when it's first this... pseudo stop motion all the things getting slapped under her face oh that image is great oh and then true kinder drama for me i mean that's my first bit uh i remember you said that i'm watching something that's like freaking me out and

it's still like you're right when she steps out and she's like Frankenstein or something like or a mummy then that's not scary but this the stop motion of her getting computerized is so scary and also the sounds that she's making when it's happening is really scary I mean it's still like silver eyeballs yes and then they open up like I guess there is some sort of like Uh, can...

a kid can get particularly freaked out by, like, transformation is, like, a scary notion. So, to see, like, a person get changed into something else I think is like you know a little like when you're a kid you're trying to like you're like how can my teacher be nice some days but mean other days and that's perfect for superman who i love doesn't he doesn't really turn into a bad superman he's more like a troll prankster he's like a mischief maker right he's

It straightens the Tower of Pizza, which is hilarious. So funny. He just blows out the Olympic torch. This is what I mean. He didn't go bad. He's still wholesome even when he's a little shit. Sitting at a 1930s Edward Hopper painting bar with peanuts. with a five o'clock shadow. I love that image. That was another high point for me because it really does look like that. What's the painting where they're at the diner? Nighthawks. Nighthawks, yeah.

And then he uses his laser eyes to like bend the mirror and stuff it looks like he was like superman it was great and then the depression hit america and it hit superman too and he had to go to the bar as well that's true yeah i mean and it speaks to like Christopher Reeve's apostrophe S, Reeve's acting, that he is fully believable as an evil Superman. And you can tell, like, Christopher Reeve... as an actor, must be relishing getting to play against type because the...

the characterization of evil Superman isn't like, in quotes, evil Superman. Like, he looks like a badass. But this is the... the whole catalyst of the issue for me is he's still acting Superman 1 and we are now in Superman 3 and none of the movie is rising to him or matching him you're right none of it he's like the best part I can't think of anything in this movie

that is in the same place and i would say he's in the wrong movie but he's not he's still doing the original version that everyone signed on for you're right and the rest of the movie just changed completely yeah no one told him the closest it gets to the first movie for me is there's a it's a very cozy scene when they're cleaning up the gym after the dance yeah and it has like real Technique.

Where it's like, um... it's a one unbroken shot it like starts wide of the whole gym and superman the clark's in the background taking down the streamers and she's up front and then they walk from that over to the side, and the camera tracks with them, and then they move closer to the camera, and they get to play out this whole scene. Christopher Reeves at Juilliard Train. Theater actor!

So you can just be like, you're getting to watch like an unbroken Christopher Reeve performance and he's going over and he tinkles the piano and stuff. That and you're getting to see the two of them fall for each other fall in love like that for me matches the quality of the first superman movie that's like have you ever watched death trap or sleuth no sleuth It's just a two-hander.

with Lawrence Olivier and Christopher Reeve. Whoa! And they're like one submanship of who's gonna kill who, basically, in a mansion. Wait, do I have that right? Let me check. Hold on. I'm pretty sure. sometimes i get superman versus hamlet super hamlet well they also remade it No, sorry, that's Lawrence Libby and Michael Caine. I knew it. It's Death Trap. Oh, Death Trap is with Christopher Reeve and Michael... I think in Diane Cannon, I think. But it was a stage play first.

I mean, look at the cover. It's just a Rubik's Cube with everybody looking. It's Michael Caine, Diane Cannon, and Christopher Reeve. I've never seen it. You've seen it? Yeah. And you liked it? If you like watching what is essentially a stage play happen in a movie, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and I love all... the Smallville stuff with Clark and Lana. Yeah, I do too and I love Annette O'Toole.

such a crush on her. Oh, big time. Big time. How could you not? How could you not walk out of Superman 3 without having a crush on a Neto tool? It'd be impossible. If you're not going to have Margot Kidder, you've got to have a Neto tool. But it also makes it kind of sad that that not only is Lois Langone but that Margot Kidder is kind of gone. Yeah, and then they're not even crossing paths. You sort of want Lois and Lana to maybe meet each other. They do at the end, don't they?

Yes, I just have a movie that's about... I love Triangle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I love their... It's one of the few genuinely moving moments in the scene when they first show up at the dance And they do that really cool editing thing where they show Annette O'Toole and then they cut to the yearbook photo that's up on the wall and then they cut to Christopher Reeve and then cut to his yearbook photo. It's very charming. Back to the Future vibes.

Well, with Earth Angel and stuff. Yeah, definitely, definitely. The 50s were so big in the 80s, the nostalgia of that. It was everywhere. Yeah. And in the... I guess it was the 60s, but... And then I also like the 70s. looking back at like the 20s stuff yeah it was like the late 60s 70s like depression era yeah yeah 20s 30s stuff yeah godfather bono that's 40s but but um not many uh not a lot of um 1995 reverence going on right now in 2025. Fashion-wise there is, I guess. Yeah, but...

It's not like Superman. I just watched Despicable Me 4, and that starts with a reunion of the class from 1985. There's that. Well, let me first say that So I have another friend named Matt. Okay. Who I think I mentioned on the podcast before uh a best friend growing up who is hilarious. Like some of the biggest laughs I've ever had. came from Matt cracking a joke, and some of the fondest, most fun memories I've had were spent with Matt and our buddies all together in high school.

He reached out to me because he listened to the Sleepaway Camp episode. Oh my god. And he reminded me of something. that I didn't talk about at the Seapoint Camp thing, which was My friends and I in high school, we did like a little, our own shot for shot as much as we could remake of Sleepaway Camp because we watched it every Friday. True to the end shot? Yes.

Okay, I don't know how we pulled that off. I'll be presenting some questions. But we, like... i remember you know and it's all the fun of like you're doing it at 11 o'clock so at night so you're only using the things that you have in your thing so like when the guy got attacked with bees we didn't know how to make a guy's face look like it had been

been up by bees. So he just took a jar of honey and put it in front of his face. Wait, were you thinking that makes it look like he's been eating bees or were you trying to attract bees to make it? We were just, I think going, for some sort of word association of like honey means bees means attack but we called it instead of calling it sleepaway camp we called it camp sleep away and uh it's as good as the original if you ask and i love the original uh anyway i love that um does this still exist

It does somewhere. Somebody probably owns this on a videotape. Shot on camcorder. If we ever do a live show, that'd be a place to scream. Is it full length? No, no, no. Just little selected bits. Yes, yes, yes. And people recreating like, you know.

favorite lines like eat shit and die bill and stuff like that wow that's that's great to think that's out there somewhere yes yes but I heard from Matt yesterday so I was like oh I gotta mention on the and I guess it's connected that Sleepaway Camp came out the same year as Superman 3 so that's the connection Matt if you're looking That could have been the fifth movie we see at the multiple times. I got a different order, I think.

Yeah, you want to go Jedi, then end with Sleepaway Cap. You either have the choice of your beloved Star Wars gang, Celebrating with Ewoks and the Jedi spirits. Little girl. or a full-grown man in a mask of a little girl's head screaming

Naked. Which was the original ending for Return of the Jedi. Uh-huh, that's right. When it was called Revenge of the Jedi and David Lynch was going to direct. Also, I just like that this movie, speaking of the 83-ness of it, it's a real snapshot of its time because it's like whatever that like the zeitgeist was of like corporations are now taking over and even that was happening you know on a studio level, you know, like, um...

Coca-Cola was about to buy columbia gulf and western like oil companies buying paramount like it's it's all getting gobbled up and the little man is sort of getting like plopped out by these corporations and just I love the subversiveness of having the villain be like The guy who runs a corporation and has a big, I mean, that office of chrome and silver. Oh my. So much money. God. So much gray. And the carpet is like silver as gray. Yeah. I mean, that's like one of my favorite.

sets in movies when that little map tilts up out of the ground and stuff. And then even the map is done in like computer pixels though not quite it's still like a graphic printing right but done that way on purpose it's with atari sounds i think i heard like uh and that it's like um Sorry, I got distracted like a dog by that squirrel over there. Do you think he's like the Clark Kent of the squirrel world or the Superman?

I don't know. One of the other best things about this movie is the photo booth when he goes and changes in the photo booth and then has to go back to get the picture and tear it.

that's good i love it too i'd love to have that like strip i know just hold it and look at it uh but yeah you have like the corporation element you have the computer element video game computer world that both of those things I don't think would necessarily exist in the 1978 Superman this is like very and then also whatever this could have existed in the 1978 Superman but like

All the oil stuff and the oil crisis and the long lines. Yeah, because when was the Exxon Valdez bill? That was 89. Oh, okay. Much later. But 82, outside of... superman 3 just like last week i was reading like when the when there were recessions and stuff and 1982 i think was the biggest um the last time there was a great recession before 2008 and the highest unemployment so opening a scene

Opening a movie on an unemployment line is very ripped from the heavens. Yeah, and the energy crisis too. Because there was the 70s one and then there was one in the early 80s that I remember. where we'd have to get up super early in the morning in our Volkswagen van and go wait in a big line at the gas station on like an odd or an even number day, depending on your license plate. Damn. Yeah, and so I remember being in my pajamas well before school started so we could get gas.

Did your dad ever get pulled out of the car and punched by him? It was my mom, actually. I think my dad had to go to work, so my mom was like, You have to make sure to get gas in the car. Yeah. Because we can only get in on these days or something. Yeah, it was crazy. I mean, it's nice, though, because is there... a sweeter memory that a kid has than riding in a car with their mom like doing errands yeah and this was a volkswagen bus that had a mattress in the back so it was so old and

flaky foam. But that kind of weird, and the foam thing reminded me of a memory I had. I'm going to tell you about something I did that feels like it should have been 40 or 50 years ago, but it was only 20 years ago. I was driving out and I just started teaching at Riverside City College. and I bought a pedal steel guitar, and I wanted to learn. And so I stopped at a phone booth in Rubidoux, California,

and looked up a pedal steel teacher, found one in the yellow pages. What the hell? Called him. This is 2005? And that's how I initially learned to play pedal steel, which I no longer know how to do. But yeah, this was about around then, maybe a little earlier. Damn! And Rubidoux is this dusty cow town out before you get to Riverside, like off the...

210 or 10 or something I don't know and so just pulling into this like almost kind of one time cowpoke town now kind of almost like meth head town stopping at a phone booth looking in the yellow pages calling a man named blackie taylor who met me in overalls and gave me 50 minutes of stories and 10 minutes of lessons. I paid him and it was great That is such a fun little blast from the past. That doesn't seem like I fully had the internet.

You know? Right, right, right. I mean, even in 1978, Superman, they're making jokes about how the payphones are half-sized now. Yeah. But this guy wouldn't exist on the internet. He wasn't on the internet, so I had to find him through the yellow pages. Did you ever... go back to him did he teach you more lessons yeah you did some lessons from him yeah and was it always the 50 10 breakdown yeah yeah and he was always in his like

conductors overalls with a cordless phone not a cell phone in the bib pocket and he had a hat and his name was Blackie Taylor I love this man and his daughter was always skulking around somewhere I never saw her but I'd hear her and it was just sitting in a room of all these pedal steel guitars covered by plastic covers and he was like old and I'm sure was a session musician I think he was you know retired basically or something i don't know but it was really special and see um um

when you learned it it's it's not like riding a bike it's like you need to keep like if you sat down at a pedal guitar you wouldn't be able to go like I could yeah I could play like CDG three chord progressions you know and pick a couple things but even the guitar I had which was called a Carter Starter It has only three pedals. Professional pedal steel players have multiple pedals. and they have knee levers on both sides so you're playing with both feet both hands and both sides of both knees

You're moving like that. You use the knees on a pedal? I didn't know this! Mark was playing Townland in Don't Stop or We'll Die and Mark was playing pedal steel. Sure, I know that. He's great at it, but I didn't know he was playing with his knees. You're moving to the right and to the left. Not only that. Oh, that's why Tonya Harding stopped playing. That's exactly right. That's exactly right.

and there's 10 strings so it's just like you have to be a mathematician to to play or be so like pre-ternationally talented Yeah, I was neither of those things. And is it like a, oh, Your guitar brain fits you, will work for you with pedal guitar? Or is it like they're completely two different animals? To only a certain extent. But I also don't fully have that guitar brain. I'm a real tactile left brain player.

So you need a fully advanced left brain and a fully advanced right brain to make pedal steel work. I really think it's like... the instrument for geniuses you know yeah yeah oh so like whatever the artistic brain and then also the

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Yeah, whatever snapshot this movie is of its time, these Superman movies also just seem like... the charm and fun and innocence of like late 70s blockbuster movies like Everybody will always have a place in their heart for... Jaws and Star Wars and Close Encounters and Superman and then the fact that it gets like cynicalized by 1983 I mean you even look at like Jedi and Octopussy they're all kind of like little bit like cynical exercises they're not like

We love making movies. We love these kinds of movies. So let's make them. It's kind of this like, I mean... like the villain in Superman 3 it's sort of this like corporate I mean Richard Lester didn't want to do one

And then Warner Brothers says, you're in the blockbuster business, buddy, and we'll pay you millions of dollars, so go do it. And the Salkinds just seemed like such cynical moneymakers. I didn't know this except for Brantley's notes about how they tried to get... sell it to Dino De Laurentiis and it didn't work out like by this point they were nobody wanted to do this movie which is funny that they then send it sell it to Golden Globus which I'm just

curious to find out why Christopher Reeve comes back for this. Did they just pay him so much money? Because I get sad for what His career became... Yeah, he couldn't get... He never got out of this, you know? Yeah, he should have just been... I mean, woulda, coulda, shoulda. But if he had been... Just Superman for 10 movies.

you know that that would have been i know but the i mean they were these movies so yeah he would have it wouldn't need warner brothers should have taken over more i hate to say that about a studio but Yeah, I hear you. They should have... I guess because the Salkine owned the rights, they couldn't do anything about it. Yeah, it's all like...

Yeah, pretty... The love isn't... there no and now i'm just now remembering that we're in for a john crier superman movie next oh my god i mean then that's yeah really cynical because it's like uh Hey, I think these John Hughes teen movies are... Teenagers love going to the movies now. That's basically our audience, so let's cram... John Cryer with Gene Hackman. No, they get Reeve back this He writes it, right? Yes.

And he wants to do his anti-nuclear message. He's happy he does it because he's doing the anti-nuclear warfare. Well, maybe he brought down the Berlin Wall. Maybe he ended the Cold War and it was all worth it. The John Cryer, Hackman, THING REMINDED ME THAT IF If Lex Luthor had been the baddie in this, and... I think that would have been such a clever little continuation that it's like he was in real estate in the first one. Yeah. But... It must have been written for him, right?

Well, they would have known he wasn't coming back, but it feels like Miss Tess Macher, and even the sister is like Otis in a way. Yes, you're right. It's the same triptych. It's the same kind of setup of triptych. It seems less like They wrote it originally for Gene Happen and couldn't do it and they changed it and more just kind of like them just repeating themselves of like, hey, this

villain, hottie, side person thing works. So let's just replicate that. But it would have been pretty clever if it had been like Lex Luthor's like, okay, I did real estate. I see where the things are going. I'm reading where the wind is blowing now. I'm going to run a corporation because this is going to legitimize video games and computers especially. Yeah, it'll legitimize my evil doing. Because that seems to be how people get away with stuff. But then... Can you imagine the crackle?

on screen of seeing Richard Pryor with Gene Hackman. That would have been incredible. Seeing those two actors together playing off each other would have been sensational. And Robert... Vaughn he's funny I mean this whole movie I think it's a cocaine movie I'm lost faith like that they're like Columbia's second main... export is coffee they make some sort of reference to it and then they'll talk about coffee in the way

it's sort of code for cocaine they're like what gets people up in the morning and able to you know and then what do they do when they're tired at work they drink more coffee but like even Robert Vaughn's character is like like the way the scenes are played between Richard Pryor and Robert Roth. With Gene Hackman, Lex Luthor's whole thing is like, I am very smart. and I will calmly and methodically present my argument to you, and through my savvy, convince you to come to my side.

When Gus talks to Robert Vaughn, it's like talking like a coked up asshole. He's just jumping from thought to thought. He's not listening to Gus at all. He's just like, duh. And then it's all about his like, Illusions of grandeur. No, nobody here is making a movie. I'm sorry. Nobody. Maybe Christopher Reeve. Christopher Reeve cares.

Yes. I don't know if anybody... Maybe the... What's the character's name of the ditzy blonde? Pamela Stevenson. Yeah, she's not bad. Yeah. She's pretty good. And she's in History of the World. Oh, she is? Yeah. I forgot about that. Who does she play? She's the, like, French revolution woman that just keeps coming up and going, Ravage me. Oh! Which was...

highly formative for a young Matt Corley. Seeing that in the theater going, I think she says hump me at one point. And I remember just kind of going, What? Oh, him, Mel Brooks, coming up behind the woman and humping her from behind is so formative. Well, yeah, that's a whole different thing. She's not the woman who gets humped from behind. She might be, but that's not what I'm thinking of.

You saw History of the World in the theater? Yeah. My dad and my mom, or particularly my dad, took me to a lot of R-rated movies. We watched a lot of R-rated movies. Oh yeah, dude. 80s R-rated movies. Vacation I saw in the theater.

they're funny they're comedies like let's go to a movie and laugh yeah uh because my experience with history of the world part one i might have told this before but like i loved space balls and i loved high anxiety and so there was always this like video of history of the world part one that looked so fun and i'm like oh my god i when I get a chance, I'm going to rent this. And I knew it was rated R. and my friend and I rented it and we put it in the videocassette player.

And the first scene is that dawn of man where they like stand up and they all start jacking off and humping and stuff. My friend and I, I was probably like 12 years old. We stopped it. We took out of the machine and we're like, we can't watch this. This is naughty. And we put it back in the case and didn't watch it. And to this day, you've never seen history. I have that. Because of its naughtiness. Now I have. I don't believe you. Too naughty.

Do you remember what was your favorite R-rated movie that you saw in the theater when you were a kiddie? Well, Vacation probably. But I remember History of the World pretty well. loving I just loved to go to we'd go on the weekends and just see a comedy, it was, man, it's just not, I've, God, this sounds so stupid coming to my mouth, but it's just not the same because there was, this was even,

right at the dawn of VHS so it wasn't even like guaranteed you could go watch a VHS movie at home. It was this thing like you go to the movies and it sounds like it's 1940s and you get a newsreel and you go to the picture show. But there's nothing special about the movies by definition anymore other than the premium format.

yeah because even if you saw it on like content was delivered yeah tv was substandard right and if if history of the world part one eventually plays on broadcast tv they're going to edit out all the dirty jokes and stuff so to see it in the theater is like TV didn't even try to be movies. Even when they did their prestige miniseries, those were events and stuff, but it wasn't the same.

Yeah, I mean, now, I mean, I'm not saying anything new here, but just, like, the way prestige TV now looks better than a lot of movies. Yeah, the characters are better. They've switched. movies have become sort of trashier but more spectacle not like TV was that way before but All the character, all the good drama has gone to TV. I'm not saying anything new either. No, yeah, I hear you though, totally. I do long for that kind of thing of like...

You just go to the movies on the weekends and it doesn't even matter. what it is. That's awesome. Love it, dude. That's so cool. Interestingly enough, Richard Pryor was supposed to be the Gregory Hines role in History of the World Part 1. That's right. But he got in his accident when he started on fire. He was supposed to be in Blazing Saddles, too.

Right, but he wasn't a big enough star like the studio wouldn't sign off on. I thought the studio said you gotta put in Cleveland Little because Richard Pryor isn't established. Oh, really?

I know he... Because he co-wrote it. He co-wrote it, yeah. And just wanted to write the Mongo scenes. He didn't really want to do any of the racial stuff, yeah. Yeah, I mean... as a kid, I loved comedy movies so much and i loved superman movies so much so for me i have no hang-ups whatsoever about putting these two great movie types of movies together like and as a kid uh I still do. I mean...

Richard Pryor makes me laugh my ass off. He's really, really funny. He only gets a couple of moments in this for me where when he gets the paycheck, And he's just looking around and waving. Well, the paycheck? scene and when he skis off the street and lands off the building and lands on the street those are the two big moments of the Richard Pryor

Yeah. Or I wonder if it's like just being in a PG movie and those moments he can't go like, holy fucking shit. I know. So instead he has to go, ho, ho, ho. I watched Sir Crazy recently. I rewatched it. How funny is Gene Wilder in that movie? His little freakouts. Do you know what's been my bomb? What? Dude, I've been having some real... LOLs. Like, by myself watching this laughing out loud with perfect

strangers. Oh, really? Holy shit. Now, Balky, we know, is funny. Yeah. But Cousin Larry is just as funny, if not funnier. Yeah. And when he gets angry, it's like, Mark Lynn Baker gets Full commitment. It's so funny. But Richard Pryor, I probably once a year watch his... Richard Pryor live in concert. I need to watch that. I'd say it's in my top 20 favorite movies. What I love about Richard Pryor is that

I mean, he's the greatest stand-up who ever lived. And some stand-ups will focus maybe on... loving relationships or another might be sort of cultural commentator or another person might be the nostalgia guy who looks back on his childhood and what it what that experience like is growing up he does all of them you get like Love and relationship stuff. You get remembrances of childhood. You get character work.

you get social commentary all in like an hour and a half movie it's but also the deliver the vessel through which it comes out those noises his his voice is a has a musicality to it yeah in stir crazy when he gets They both get put in the cell with the huge guy. I forget what his name is in there. And he's just in the cell. He's never better than when he's afraid. Yes, yes, yes. And then Gene Wilder just disassociates his

It's going to be fine, or whatever. Oh, God. I saw that movie in the theater. dude yeah lucky you there's a little strip bar scene Beverly Hills Cop 48 hours I think maybe not 48 hours that might have been too early um yeah and that he um I think he has like a real he's got a heart oh yeah and knowing and knowing that his heart hurts And he is vulnerable. That's its own. No stand-ups ever really do that. And he does it so well. But then his heart...

hurts for the world and for people. The way he talks about people has such a sympathetic element that no stand-up even comes close to. You mentioned 48 Hours and it's in Brantley's notes about how this came about. Richard Pryor's involvement in Superman 3 came. Because when Superman 2 came out, he went on The Tonight Show. I've watched it. Yeah, I didn't know this. It's really funny. He's like, I just saw the Superman 2 movie. I love it. I love Superman. And he starts reenacting.

and describing scenes from superman movies it's really funny and then they try to replicate it in Superman 3, when he's talking about how Superman came and stopped the storm in Columbia. But then that feels like a huge rip-off, because you're like, I just want to see Superman save the day. I don't want somebody...

scenes of him describing it, but it's kind of rinky-dink. But they must have been saying, what you did was so funny, let's just put that in the movie. Exactly. I think, yes, that seems to be what it is. But in a really kind of... a book anyway or something if you watch his

appearance on The Tonight Show promoting Richard Pryor's appearance on The Tonight Show promoting Superman 3. So there's a pretty cool connective tissue. You can go like, okay, he was... promoting one movie talking about superman 2 and it's so funny and somehow through fate he's now back on the tonight show promoting superman 3

He says something that's like sort of heartbreaking where he references how Trading Places had just come out and how Eddie Murphy is like really funny in it. And you can... see that he's recognizing like the writing is on the wall like trading places is uh subversive movie where Eddie Murphy gets to be really funny and Richard Pryor is kind of in this like lumbering big budget movie where he doesn't

He doesn't even get to be really Richard Pryor wise-ass. He's more sort of whatever that after his accident. Pauline Kael talks about how he just kind of becomes soft after that. Same with the toy. Yeah. And like, what is it like moving and critical condition he just starts playing like dads and stuff and it's like no I want a wise ass it's weird that he doesn't get to be much of a wise ass in Superman 3 either I mean I don't even understand the like

I mean, this movie is like very early 80s where computers can do everything. Yeah. but like gus's abilities like when he first sits down at the computer and the guy's like how'd you do that he's like i don't know i just did i'm like huh it's crazy that's why They shouldn't have done, I'm sorry, any of the unemployment stuff. They should do the slapstick opening, then cut to him.

And going, wow, you really are a genius at this. Well, and then just give him a throwaway line of like, my father was a computer programmer or my mother was at IBM or something. Yeah. It's such a weird thing. He doesn't understand his own. Like, even a... A math savant could tell you why they understand math. They're not making a movie here. Everyone's just showing up for a... And a computer can change the weather? What the hell is this?

Bobble, I know what that reminds me of. This toy no longer exists because it had to be highly toxic. But there used to be this, like, Bubble! Oh, somebody will know. Maybe on the streaming thing or maybe when this podcast comes out, but it was like a kind of chemical bubble and you would blow it like a bubble in a bubble loop.

But it smelled like so much chemicals. And you could make veins and colors. Do you remember this? I totally remember this. And I remember watching Superman 3 and thinking it was like the toy. Yeah. Oh my god, Matt, you're blowing my mind. Those had to have been highly poisonous. I remember the smell. Ralph Nader actually had a crusade to stop specifically this toy. He was like, let's lower the... This is the speed limit. Do something about this weird bubble toy.

You could get high off that thing. I'm certain of it. I'm certain I did. I remember I had like, yeah, the weird kind of vein look. Yes. Like an eyeball. And it did have that smell that was like huffing. Yeah, it did. Crazy. Well, they got Shane Rimmer back in this movie. Did you notice that? The guy from Superman 2 that's the Houston command officer. Who does he play in Superman 3? He's the sheriff or a cop.

Oh my god. He's early on. Doing like a dual role within the franchise. Any Pinewood movie being shot to just get Canadian Chain Rimmer in there. He lives here. The wired drop-ins of Superman landing in this film are so bad. He's always about to go head over heels and then they cut away. And they do that weird choice of like when he first jumps up in flight during the opening credits, they do the smear effect on top of the screen that I don't think it's to cover up.

strings or anything but you it looks like the effect is bad by I just swallowed a bug. I swallowed a bug. I swallowed a bug. Yeah, I'm not quite sure if they're trying to do like a tilt shift thing or they were disguising something. I don't know. Not so good, Al. When Superman shows up on the top of the Statue of Liberty with... I forget her character's name. It's like Tennessee Williams play.

and christopher reeve wants to be in a tennessee voice he's stanley kolowski it's amazing yeah and she's like hey big she yeah she automatically kind of becomes southern bellish right yeah and they're just like she's a hot And then, I mean, at that point, I wrote, this movie is wild because... A woman. A sexy woman. The way she gets Superman is by going to the top of the Statue of Liberty. Seeing like she's in peril. Yeah, and says, hey, I'll have sex with you if you get this last oil tanker.

to not go to its destination. And Superman's like, Gotcha. Be right there. Doesn't occur to him he could probably have sex with any woman. He doesn't need to go bust open an oil ticker. He could have sex with that woman!

That's true. At any point. If he's bad Superman. And they share something, too, because they do this kind of funny running gag. It happens a couple times. It should happen more for it to be an actual gag, but, like, that she's secretly smart like when she's reading Kant and she's like and she explains the computer at the end yeah like boy they really pulled one over on us the bimbo's smart and yeah that's a dumb trope well and also it's like it kind of parallels like is that her own

Clark Kent Rose. But you'd think the two of them together would be, let's drop the ruses. You be Superman and I'll be smart blonde lady. Is Tess Marker in part four? I don't think so. Who directs part four, is it? It's Joe... Oh, Sidney Fury, who's like an exploitation director guy. And Richard Lester, who I believe is still alive. I think he is. He retired. because the last movie he made there was an accident that killed a friend of his, a horse, and it's the guy who plays Veruca Salt's dad.

in the original Willy Wonka. He died, and then Richard Lester was like, it's not worth it to make movies anymore. I don't know. Maybe like some type of, not Musketeers, but I think some kind of swashbuckling. movie. It wasn't Sword and the Sorcerer, was it? Maybe. No, because it was a stuntman that died on that. But they left in the film. Oh. His high fall. The guy dies on the high fall. And they use it?

they don't you don't see them land but do they add like a little adr of him going i'm okay don't worry sorry shouldn't make a joke about that but uh yeah so richard lester does it direct part four There's a corniness of, like, Richard Lester. title credit or whatever in the opening credits comes up on the guy with the pie in the face and it's like we get it you're the comedy guy and also a little return of Richard Lester and Beatles

because they're dancing to Roll Over Beethoven at the thing. Yeah. But not performed by the Beatles. Decidedly not performed. And it's a cover, a Beatles cover of another song. It's not like they're playing I Want to Hold Your Hand. But the implication is there for sure. I just want to say I have my complaints about

When Clark Kent acts like a boob, like who is that for? Like his introduction where he puts money into the newspaper machine and the newspaper tears and nobody sees it. But it's this thing again, like you mentioned before, of like what is, Superman was Clark Kent because if this were the case, everything he touched touches wood crush and stuff so you

He's obviously shown some control. He's obviously showing some control. Wait, was it just stuck in the machine? I thought it was like, oh, Superman's still strong. I think it's supposed to be that he's so clumsy he can't pull a newspaper out. I'm so stupid. No, that's a legit way of it. And then when he opens up the door on Richard, I mentioned this in the last episode, that

and it goes into Richard Pryor's crotch. He opens the car door. At that time, Clark slash Superman doesn't know that Richard Pryor is a bad guy. No. So he's just... far as he knows he's like throwing a car door into an innocent man um the um You noticed that... 70s exterior shot of the daily plan that really sticks out like a sore thumb in this movie because There's another shot from the original that really sticks out to... Not even the 70s style...

The style is the same, but also the cinematography looks completely different than the... 100%. What's the other 70s thing that gets... Well, we'll get to it at the end. Oh, yes, yes, yes. I couldn't believe it. Yes. I couldn't believe that they had the nerve. The... I do. There's, like you said, there is some relief. There's a couple really funny moments. I mean, I was just saying like Richard Lester is a little too hammy with the gags. But when Clark... A little too gammy with the hags.

Len. and this always makes me laugh when I watch this movie when Clark is trying to pitch his going to Smallville thing and he's like and it'd be interesting to see Can a man return to his hometown after becoming a metropolitan sophisticate? And then everybody, Jimmy Olsen included, Lois and Perry, they all look at him like,

Are you fucking kidding me, dude? I love his delivery on that. That's good writing. Metropolitan Sophisticate. That he thinks he's become a Metropolitan Sophisticate. But then, always remembering, he fools me, because then I always remember, no, this is him just acting. acting yeah it's funny because that question of like when is he performing to be Clark um like There's times where I believe Clark is behind the eight ball sometimes, like,

if somebody uses an idiom or something and he doesn't understand it, that works for me. Because I'm like, maybe Superman just isn't aware of this, like, expression yet or something. But, like, when he... There's something really sweet about Lois likes Superman, but not Clark. And Lana likes Clark, but isn't a Superman. There's something...

that kind of annoying question of, like, why is Superman acting so... Or why does Superman act so dopey when he's Clark? He doesn't have to overdo it. But when he's... Clark is around. Lana. I think he's most himself when you see him get kind of like charmed or flustered by her and he's like doesn't know what to do i'm like he's not playing clark he's just superman who has like a crush on this girl it's very sweet yeah yeah um so the uh um I also like the...

superman or not it's a really cool idea that half penny idea the like a computer yeah yeah where did those half pennies go oh they go somewhere but you can grab them and and steal from us i know i was found myself trying to think about

how that could work and what's going on there. Yeah, because what is that? They're saying like, it's a little like, the cloud or internet-y where it's like these are all just it's not real so if you call it real you can pull it down from the sky and and and take it but um So that chemical fire scene, it's really funny when Clark is riding into the bus with Jimmy Olsen and he's telling a funny story or a boring story. and not even Clark can find the kindness in his heart to tolerate Jimmy Olsen.

but there's some really awesome stuff with that like i love his change from clark into superman by going through the back of the cop car that's cool um although the cop in the history of the take where the guy thinks he sees something and then shakes his head and says, nah. That is the laziest version. The guy hardly does. That's the emblematic of this film. Yes, you're right. No one's making a movie. That is the whole movie is the lazy. Nah, nah.

That was basically Richard Lester saying, can we get another take? Nah. Okay, we'll use that. And our boy Bill from the Overlook. Who? So, you know the guy... The scientist? Yeah. He's the guy in the overlook. I thought I recognized him. And he's also Pontius Pilate and Jesus Christ Superstar. But yeah, so he's like a bred actor who's getting to be in a Superman movie. But his whole explanation about, he's like apparently like just the acid guy. He monitors acid.

Where's the acid gonna go? It's just gonna go straight into the ground. He can leave. Also he can't do anything. He can't! I still love it. And it's a real setup. I didn't count on that being a plot device for later. I know, it's kind of a weird dovetail of using that.

acid and him being like oh I remember what that guy told me about the I mean I love it's one of my favorite superman sequences in any of the movies going and blowing cold air on the lake and lifting that up and then you know and the guy And I love the comic book reality of when Superman shows up. And the fireman, it's so wholesome. Or the fireman goes, Superman, hey. Yeah, I know. Or when he's too late the next time. Boy, you could have been here just a minute earlier.

When he tries to lift up Jimmy, I don't know if you noticed that, like Jimmy breaks his leg. Yeah. And he tries to lift him up and Jimmy goes, ow! And then Superman goes, sorry. Sorry. I know. You know what else I love is when he pulls the guy from drowning in the car in the beginning, but then he just shakes his hand. Good man, good man. We have a deal. and the fireman when he sees the rain come down he goes it's a miracle you know and it's basically like wow

Superman is a god who can like bring in the rain when the rain needs to come. It's an interesting little parallel then later that the bad guys The ethics of weather control. If you create rain to put out a fire at a chemical factory, that's good. But if you create rain... to destroy Colombian coffee crops

That's bad. Yeah, not to mention this whole lake is gone now. I'm assuming there's some irrigation and some fish that would have... a beef with that i always thought it was maybe like the the skin the layer maybe it was but that would be funny if no you're right it does look like it because when he lifts it up it has that bottom part i think it's the whole leg because the guy comes Andy Griffith and his son is like, yeah, of course. Come up and it's all these fish flopping in a big hole.

Oh, is Superman here? Again? The, um... I like the... Okay, so then after the chemical thing, we got the... back in Smallville at the dance party, that Brad, who plays the asshole jock guy. Yeah, he said Never Say Never Again. Whoa, what a summer for that guy. And a bounce back because, you know...

who he played and then was cut from the show. He's Richie Cunningham's older brother on Happy Days. Oh, wow. Who, like, you know, was introduced in the first couple seasons and then just kind of disappeared. He's, oh, that's right. I forget what his name is. The character's name. Doesn't he die in Vietnam or something? Does he? I think he does. Tom Bosley's like, comes in and he's got tears streaming down his face and he's like, your brother.

Your brother was killing Tom. Was it Korea? I mean, it would make more sense to be Korea, but I feel like he dies. And do they have a very special episode of Happy Days about him? Something like that. Maybe I'm making this up, but... I believe in me. I'd like to think that like, let me look that up. If the scene ends, if the episode ends at his funeral, like they ship his body back from Korea or whatever.

And then Fonz learns his limitations when he goes up to the casket at the funeral and tries to, like, pound it to make him come alive like a jukebox. Like, you can't, Fonzie. No, give me one more. I can do it. Yes, Richie Cunningham's brother from Happy Days Chuck has died. Oh, wait, this is the actor? The actor, yeah. Gavin O'Hurley? No. He died. But I don't think it was in the Korean War. I mean, the actor. Let's see. We'll go to Happy Days Wiki. Here he is. Yeah, there's a picture of him.

He was played by Gavin O'Hurley in season one, Randolph Roberts in season two. Which guy is that? Is he Gavin Hurley? Is his dad the baddie from Halloween 3? Oh yeah, Dan Hurley. Did I make this up? Well, in American graffiti, does somebody go into the war and die? Maybe that's... Ron Howard's characters are rarely seen.

Happy Days character who disappeared without explanation after season two. His disappearance giving rise to the pejorative term Chuck Cunningham syndrome to describe TV characters who were dropped from shows without any in-universe explanation or send-off. with later episodes of the show scripted as if the character had never existed. The most popular explanation for his absence was that he went off to college on a sports scholarship.

When Richie leaves the show, he goes into the army. Is that what I'm talking about? How did I get Chuck died? No, that makes sense that you combined the Cunninghams. I don't know. Oh, I hated how at the end of Happy Days, Ron Howard has a mustache. I know. That doesn't even make sense in the year that that's supposed to be. I mean, by the end, I give zero shit. They look like they're straight from the early 80s.

No. No. I'm not gonna deal with that. When they start to launch the MX missile from the computer, why is the front of it smoking? It's as if it had a fuselage. It was really weird. It's made by black cat fireworks. The ceiling to the computer felt very throwback to the original Krypton. You know when they'd look up in the cavern and all those lights were hanging down? You're right. When they start crashing down, they're like Krypton. Krypton.

Alright, that's actually my last note until I have one more when we get to the end, so fire away. Okay, cool. Love the cozy rock wall, the bar. Yeah. At the bowling alley. Oh, I'm thinking of when she has him over to her cabin. That's the ski lodge. Oh, but he has like rough sex with her. Also, I like at the end, they've had sex. What was that? That was a weird sound. What was that? I said sex and then there was a sound that was like...

What do you think that was, Matty? I don't know. I couldn't tell if that was like a computer voice or like rubber screeching. Maybe it was like all this computer talk, anti-computer talk. It's like, hey, watch it there. dark computer cysts coming back. But when Superman does come into the cave later, and she's like, Superman! And he's like, that wasn't me. That was another guy. That was somebody else. That was somebody else. I'm like, that sounds like the flimsiest one night stand.

excuse yeah like hey we hooked up that one night whatever happened no that wasn't me ah was another guy hey you never called me oh really well maybe I had a kind of chemical compound that's like krypton, but instead of the unknown element, some tar was put in And that changed me to disassociate from myself and become a bad version of myself. Maybe that wasn't me, okay? You ever think about how maybe the unknown element was tar and it made me a bad Superman?

Also, the use of weird use of green, like that the acid glows green. Is tar a chemical, though? It's not a basic element. You can't... Maybe they added a game plan chat. That's why he gets cancelled. Yes. Everybody's like, Superman, I hate you now. I know the coziness of that bar with the rock wall and the bowling alley. I want to visit there. Also, um... I love Superman helping out a kid and telling a drunk guy to cool it. That's just a kid's fantasy. That's amazing. But, you know, Superman...

Clark Kent does that thing where he gets some of the powder and then he pretends to sneeze and Yeah. Blast the ball down a bully alley and explode. Does property damage. Lana does acknowledge that Clark sneeze caused that because she looks at him and goes, Gesundheit. Yeah, interesting. So Lana thinks Clark has super-powered sneezes. Keep her away from Niagara Falls. Yeah, she's going to start testing stuff. The, uh... Okay, so... Looking at these notes, most of I...

We've mentioned while we were talking, Matt. While you're looking, though. Brantley also sent us a picture of Christopher Reeve visiting the set of Octopussy while Roger Moore's in clown makeup. That was a great picture. I know. Roger Moore in clown makeup and then, like, Christopher Reeve just in...

Casual clothes smiling next to him. And sometimes he'd come by in his Superman costume. Amazing. Now that should have been the crossover. I know. James Bond and Superman working together. No kidding. Um,

Oh, that, uh, I think it's a pretty good action sequence. The, uh... wheat field the kid tractor i mean as a kid growing up in iowa i was like in heaven watching that there's like edward hopper imagery of the bar and then that what's the painting where that woman's lying in the wheat field there's kind of some evocative sort of thing the Tennessee Williams it's a little like walk down American

You know, culture. Imagery, yeah. With no culture added whatsoever. When Superman saves the Ricky, I think Ricky's voice is like ADR the whole time. It's like a weird like who does a voice for one of the last the last episode of Twilight Zone I've been fascinated with that my whole life halfway through

The girl who plays Scout in To Kill a Mockingbird, her voice goes away, and it's dubbed by June 4. I think they had microphone issues or something. Yeah, and then it would have cost money to bring back the Scout actress to come back and record her. dialogue so they just had June for it's the reflecting pool one right it's the one where they try to escape their fighting parents and go to the like Huck Finn fairyland through the like door in the bottom of the pool

Which my sister and I watched when my parents were divorcing. Whoa. I think I was too young to fully get it, but I remember my sister being really affected by it. Although my parents never fought. So, I mean, there was still like a... iciness or something I don't know but that's such a kid notion of the like there's a

door at the bottom of the pool that can take you to another world but I think they made it the last Twilight Zone because it doesn't have such production issues and they were just like let's just put it at the end yeah and I If I'm not mistaken, is it one of the, like, hour-long ones? Mm-hmm. I could be wrong. Um, more June for May for...

Us all? That's right. Thank you. But when that Superman stops the tractor, and he kind of glares at the kid driving the tractor. The kid didn't know. But like, dude. Superman Clarita, he was like, you know you fucked up. Oh, yeah. That would feel awful. Remember when your dad would do something like that? Yes. That's the ultimate love.

dad glared oh my god superman glared at me it would be like the president like yelling at you yeah he's like jesus christ i'm the ultimate boss yelled at me um the uh They do this kind of weird It's evocative of the... like the lazy nah nah yeah um this trying to stitch together the Gus story with like what's happening with Clark They do this weird thing where at the end of the field action sequence, Ricky goes, can you get me Superman's autograph? And then Clark says,

If I had a nickel for every time I... And as he's saying that, that... Audio. bleeds into the next scene while Gus is like walking up to the office at night. Oh, they're not making a movie. Let me reiterate here. That's their attempt to try to connect these. It's just the sound goes into the next scene. It's weird. And then, um... And then we get Gus. drinking too much and having to figure out how to put the two keys in at the same time. And then

I mean, in a franchise that has some real egregious product placement. I mean, the Cheerios box in this movie. What the fuck is opening up a closet door at an office? And there's a Kentucky Fried Chicken Bag. And they mention... Yeah, he goes, you know that chicken recipe? Chicken bucket. Yeah. That bucket of chicken. KFC really doled out the big bucks. But why... They don't say. You'd think if they're paying for product placement,

Right. They don't say Kentucky Fried Chicken. They see the words, but they don't say it. There's a Kentucky Fried Chicken in Goldfinger, too. Really? How does it work? Well, they're just in Fort Knox, Kentucky, and they're driving in a parking lot, and they park in a parking lot inside of KFC. Does he say, ooh, this is Goldfinger Liquid and Good? maybe peak computers can do anything in movies is the sequence where he hacks the computers and it causes one

Money to shoot out an ATM. Which were so new. Yeah, I was watching that. I was like, they have an American Express little product placement there too. And those were back when they were, no joke, nine to five. ATMs were also nine to five. You couldn't go after hours to an ATM. Wait, like ATM machines had big boobs? Like that kind of nine to five? Is that what you mean? Weird. It was so weird. My mom would... At the Bank of America, you had bank hour. ATMs had bank hour.

Wow. And so do you remember the first time you saw an ATM? I think so. And it did feel like this. I was so young that it would be like, you just have to have this card and you can go and get all the money you want. Understanding where it came from. That's where you can use the half cents to get a... So computers can do that. They can also change traffic lights and make the stop man and the...

Walkman fight each other yeah pretty great it changes me too me too listen I love it I love it it changes the bills for Bloomingdale's and somehow can also have the power to flash forward in a montage to when the Bloomingdale bill is received at a home, which is wild. That's right. Somehow they can transcend space and time. And then change the weather. These are the things computers. And don't forget to shoot a kid's chemical bubble out at you.

The script says the supercomputer shoots out a kid's chemical bubble and can turn Roz from 9 to 5 into a Captain EO lady. So when the top of the building is all snowy like that, are we to believe that's... Listen to what you're asking. And then proceed. So there's the ski slope on the top of the building in Toronto or wherever it is. Are we to believe?

That comes right after the changing the weather thing. Are we supposed to think that he had the satellite crate snow it must be or is it just supposed to be he's a rich guy who has luxury and he put a ski slope it has to be that he had this satellite joke because what else is the point but they don't mention it it's so weird i think that's

Just they're reaping the benefits. And then when he skis off the building, he lands on the street. That's where we get some more. It's weird that they use the satellite. To find the kryptonite and analyze what's in it and not just locate where kryptonite is. like they do it so they can get the bad kryptonite thing so that it turns him evil but wouldn't you just use the satellite to be like beep beep beep beep oh some of the debris landed over here yeah strange strange uh when Lana is like

Clark, Ricky wants Superman to show up at his birthday party and Clark's like, yeah, I can do that. That's like the ultimate version of the new boyfriend taking the kid to Disneyland to impress the mom. I know. But it also reminds me of how I often get people saying, hey, I want to talk to you about this or be on this podcast. And then after you realize they're like, all I want is for me to get Conan for them.

Oh, that's funny. Sometimes they'll directly ask it. A lot of times it's just, hey, Anne, by the way, if Conan ever wanted to do this, then you immediately click and go, oh, that's why you wanted me on this. Lana calls you up, calls Matt Corley up, and is like, hey, could Kona show up at Ricky's party? Guess what? He would. Hey, that's nice! The, uh, um... than the preposterous way to give

kryptonite to Superman as by pretending you're an army general and handing it as an award. They don't even mold it into a trophy. They just Hand him raw kryptonite, which Superman would go, what the fuck, you're handing me kryptonite? What is this, you weirdo? The... And he says we cannot have a chemical plastic gap. Yeah. It's a real strange love. I know, and that was just, that was a big Cold War thing, yeah. The gap. The arms gap, yeah.

Funniest line in the movie is after that scene when Robert Vaughn says, I asked you to kill Superman and you're telling me you couldn't do that one simple thing. That's good. That's good. Um, love my favorite section of the movie is when superman gets bad yeah clothes get darker it's a five o'clock shadow um i also love the weird like mood clothes yes

his suit is actually made of mood ring technology but the uh i love like how that weird synth sound comes in when he starts turning evil when he's getting hands the like bad kryptonite and stuff you know Reeve is really acting he's really going for it yes and you can make a case like, oh, maybe it's a little too much because of the movie you're now in, but I gotta hand it to him, man. He never phones it in, especially when you know he doesn't want to be in this thing. Yeah.

and he's not working out as much as he used to. His hair's a little longer, and like I said, a little streakier. I really gotta hand it to him. I'm really curious to see where he's at in the next one. What's Superman 4? Maybe he tries harder because he wrote it. I've seen it. I don't... I think I've fallen asleep to that movie multiple times. I don't know that I've seen it all the way through. Because I used to watch that in my weed days in my 30s with Jeremy.

Carter, we would watch Superman 4, the Quest for Peace, and I never made it through once. He would do a bong hit and watch Quest for Peace? I'd fall right asleep. That'd be a funny blurb on top of the Superman 4 poster. I would smoke up and fall asleep. Great movie to smoke a bong and fall right asleep. when he becomes evil not evil impish impish petulant adolescent yeah do you think It's... the stuff is casting badness onto him, or is it taking away goodness?

I think badness because whatever's missing the unknown element doesn't make him weaker, and the added tar makes him bad, like tar and nicotine. It kills you. It's like cancerous, I think. So he's just like a big carcinogenic Superman. Yeah, he's just a big...

Tuma. And it's like when you walk into a house that there was a smoker in the walls had that kind of yellow dinge. It's like that's what covers because I thought it was pretty interesting the sister character who says like oh he's just like a normal person now I was like oh that's cool maybe it is just it's actually making his humanity come and it's like most people would enjoy

I guess you find out if Superman didn't have superpowers, what he'd really be like. An asshole. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. The... There's a lot of great tactile-ness stuff in this movie, like when...

Gus takes out those little scraps of paper and starts laying them down to show his diagram for the computer or when they the oil tanker how he bends the stuff to make the oil come out and the look of the oil and then when he bends it back and welds it with his I-beams and stuff and when he punches it in the first place you can see the prefab little

creases where it's gonna break oh really yeah it's like when he non does the eye lasers on that wood in the last episode and you can see discoloration hiding the squib i love it so much um There's a moment where after Gus does some shenanigans and he's rich, Did I miss it? I feel like this is the first time I've ever, or it is the first time I've ever seen it, but I could be wrong. He has a Gucci yo-yo? That is so clever! Is it a yo-yo?

Oh, it's a little purse, I think. Oh, it's a little purse, because he has a yo-yo throughout the movie, so I thought he bought himself a Gucci yo-yo. Oh, maybe you're right. Gucci yo-yo. Special effects done by Gucci Yo-Yo. The, uh... Love the acting. It's a tour de force with Christopher Reeve and that good Superman versus impish Superman sequence. That's so good. That's rewatchable. I could put that on all the time. And I love how he chokes him at the end.

And then Clark can open up his shirt. He's got the Superman that that's triumphant. A weird thing. Did you notice like on a brick wall at the junkyard is a Blade Runner poster? No. Yeah. That's my... gorely look out for this but Paul style yeah, you see like a tattered Blade Runner poster

The guys at the junkyard are big Deckard heads. I don't know what that's about. Did they shoot that at Pinewood? They shot it in America. But it's a Warner Brothers release, so maybe they were like, hey, we need a... Blade Runner was shot in America? On the Warner Brothers lot. Really? It seems like a very... Because it's Ridley Scott, it seems like it'd be a UK movie. But that junkyard was shot on Pinewood. Yes. Backlot. Yeah. So it was like...

The thinking must have been, well, we want to use a Warner Brothers movie for a poster, but why even have a poster at the junkyard? That's so wild. That is weird. So now we're at the end with, I love the little contraptions of the canyon, the balloons that bring you down. And of course he's got to go in a burrow for comic effect. Yep, yep. I think all the aerial photography in the canyon outside is so crisp and looks beautiful. And I love Superman flying across it.

Now, Warner Brothers bought Atari in the early 80s. And by 1983, I think, is where the big video game crash happened. So in the same year that they're kind of like... And I don't think it's a real Superman... Atari game they're playing because the graphics are a little too advanced. They're too good for Atari for sure.

so what is that like a cartoon you think that they animated and made it look like or it's just no it's i think it's actual graphics they would have had someone make it but i don't that's not a real game yeah as far as i know i don't think it is too bad that version of video game was still like on the cutting edge of that level of graphics for 83, even for the arcade. It looks illustrated. It's really cool.

Last again the kind of like weird stitching of this movie that the way they put Lana and Ricky in danger is that they visit Metropolis while They're in a subway train and stuff. But they never have any contact with Superman during that attack.

It's pretty flimsy. Yeah, when you hear that there was an original script for this that was more different villains and stuff and Warner Brothers made them change it, you can see they wanted to keep, like, Clark and Superman fighting each other that kept certain things and then shoehorned other things in.

It's a mess. And how earlier, you know, the Bloomingdale's bill gets printed and it automatically flashes forward to the guy getting the bill. It's the same as when Gus gets rescued by Superman. It cuts automatically to them at a gas station of a guy being like, fill her up. We got gas now. It's like, ow. What? I know. And also, yeah, it's not that... satisfying that you hear about the villains

When Gus is flying with Superman, he goes, well, what's going to happen to them? Well, they'll go to jail. It was weird. And then getting to the ending. Having the nerve to end on the smiling space flying shot. again it's just because we're getting so far removed from that now it really rubbed me the wrong way in part two for the first time and now seeing it part three it's like you you have to earn that thing yeah there's no way that's in four right

I think so. Is it? Do they have the rights to it? Thor is really notorious that they reused the same Superman flying at the... Like Battlestar Galactica. Yeah. So this is like... Yeah, they start doing the reuse. I mean, I love the supercomputer idea, all the cool stuff it does, the beams, and that's neat, and I like when it explodes. I also really love all the model work in this.

the chemical factory, those models rule. And the missiles. Yeah, yeah. And I like Clark visiting Lana in the hotel and giving her the diamond, the miniatures of that. Yes, I love that. The huge diamond. Yeah, that ain't miniature. Oh my god. Hey, what the hell is Brad doing in that hotel? He just rolls up at the end. Why? Why was he at the hotel in Metropolis, Matt? I don't know. I don't know. All right.

We gave Superman a 13, both of us. Superman 2, you gave it an 11. I gave it a 10.5. What are you giving Superman 3? A nine. I'll give it a... Three. Seven, I'd consider it. I'll give it a seven. A Superman three. I give it a Superman three. Alright, well, we'll be back next episode with Superman 4, The Quest for Peace. What a title. Quest for Peace.

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