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Intrigue with Intrigue We Trust. Yeah, and your mileage may vary on the politics of this film, and I fully understand that, but I don't think you can argue with the coziness of this film. Matt, I mean, let's not bury the lead here. This scene, big claim I'm making, hot take, hot take. It might have the coziest scene.

In any movie we've watched yet. Do you want to know what I consider maybe the coziest scene in the movie? I think, and it's just like my first thought, because if I think about it longer, I can probably come up with more. But I think it's when they're all dressed up in sweaters and getting the bicycles out to go on a ride in the coastal house. Okay. Why?

My scene does include them all wearing sweaters. Okay. Just so you know. It's when they try to kill the royals. Yes, when he's on the boat wearing the sweater. And he falls on a giant... Hook, anchor, anchor, I think, which is rubber at one point when they're fighting. Oh, really? Yeah. Rubber hook and liquor. If you ask me. I never even touched her hook or licked her. Rubber hook in the front, liquor in the back. One of Hertz Donut? The...

Mine is, you know, if we were smart broadcasters, we'd tease it for the end. Oh, yeah. Or even like three episodes from now. Get them to listen. But for me, it's when they get back home after their long trip. They're all wearing sweaters, but they've also all taken showers. And... They're like, hey, it's a fun family night too. When she's pregnant, is that what? Oh, but it's when they're like, hey, the little girl's like...

I can't sleep. Can I watch TV? And the family goes, heck, let's all watch TV and make dinner or a late breakfast. I didn't even, this is the thing about it, how it's cozy. It's like one of those things where you're like, I didn't. know this was cozy until I saw it and then I felt it and knew, yes, I've had this experience before of the family that at night... cooks food in the kitchen together and eats it while watching TV so that they can get drowsy enough.

to fall asleep together. And they're all, I mean... I never put that at night. I always put that at the morning after they got home, but I could be wrong. I think she says... I'm not really tired. Can I watch some TV? Oh, yeah. And then it cuts to them in the kitchen. I thought that was the next day. But you're probably right, though. You're probably right. I love the like...

fun of nighttime cooking with the family and yes, the sweatshirts. I mean, there is a moment when they get back home and he's wearing this perfect yuppie dad. blue sweater that like it's a dad's dream where it's like every dad likes to think that's how they look when they wear a sweatshirt and jeans and maybe they do in their own way they don't but they don't have like Hollywood wardrobe people and stylists perfectly like stitching it so that like...

That sweatshirt fits him like a glove. It's better than the leather jacket of Indiana Jones. I know. The outfit he's wearing when they're about to go on the bike ride and then James Earl Jones and Marty, the CIA man, come to him is the outfit. I've been chasing my entire life it's a barn jacket a sweater jeans and just kind of you know like

Work boots. Yep. It looks so good. And you'd think pretty much anyone can pull that off, but not like Harrison Ford. Not like Harrison Ford. No. I mean, that outfit. Both of those outfits should be at the Academy Museum. I agree. I know. They've got the Joker, they've got the Tron outfit, and they don't have the second installment of the multi...

multi-actored more than even James Bond at this point. Really? Almost the same. So it's, yes, I wanted to do this. I wanted to like go through the, uh, the, um, Clancy, um, Okay, the Clancy verse, as best as I, because I'm not as well-versed in this as I am Bond. Alec Baldwin starts us off with Hunt for Red October. You little pig. Yeah.

Remember when he said that to his daughter? Yeah. You little pig. He's a great guy. He's a great, great guy. Also, I recently was... I've been listening to Stern clips, Howard Stern, and... He got into it in the year 2000 with a Page Six editor. Always good to get into the muck with the New York Post. And the New York Post did an article about how his mother's...

Cancer charity that they started their mother's name is like number one of charities who don't make sure that the profits go to research. And then it was confirmed by Forbes. It was like, yes. New York Post is not. It's just going to them? Or it goes to her? Well, Al Baldwin got it. They were claiming that she built her house based on that money.

As claiming that as a good thing? No, no, no. The people who wrote the article were like, we think it went to help building her a house. And Alec Baldwin came in and was like, no, no, no. The problem is what you don't understand. What you don't understand. money that's saved to give out later is considered overhead. Wait, what? So they think we're saving it to pay overhead charges, but we're really just saving it to give it out later. It's like... What are you waiting for? Yeah.

People are dying. When cancer becomes a real threat. Oh, my God. He didn't say that, but good golly, Miss Molly. So, yes, Alec Baldwin. Well, really quickly, my wife loves reality television. It takes a lot for me to want to cross over into that realm. Certain things I will. I like Survivor. But she likes more of the kind of like housewives stuff.

So I did agree to watch at least the first episode of the Baldwin's reality show because I had heard what was it? Oh my God. Let me just say that time Alec Baldwin has finally completed his full transition into Baldwin brother. He's now Daniel. He's become Daniel-fied. He might as well be. I think William is the only one that has somehow risen above it, and that is by just staying out of it all. Yeah.

Stephen Baldwin, obvious. Oh, you don't even mean in looks. You just mean in relationship to the world. He looks like a Daniel is acting as crazy as a Stephen. What I just mean is he's just like a Daniel. Crazy like a Steven. He's lost his identity. In the ass of a William. He wishes. He's lost his identity as the one brother who sets himself... outside of that clan and now feels like one of those kind of wingnuts. It'd be like if Michael became Tito.

Yes, exactly. That's exactly right. My Michael's become a Tito. You sank my battleship. So what were some egregious? Oh, just the way they try to have this like... ham-fisted sympathy for the poor cinematographer that died on the Rust set where, I don't know, it's just all so tone deaf and you can tell because...

Alec Baldwin can't be bothered to change his clothes that they shot all his stuff in one day. But like they do all these scripted forays where it's like, let's go take our six boys to get their haircut and I'll get my haircut too. And they're just living in this. Oh, so it's almost like a... It's not even like...

This is a reality show based on your celebrity and your fame. It's like the equivalent of those shows where it's like, we had too many kids. It is. And they're living in what otherwise would be a very luxurious apartment in New York, five bedrooms, but they have... seven children I can't remember and they're so close in age and you know there's all the controversy about his wife faking her cultural identity and everything. Oh, maybe it is real then. Yes. Yes. So she, she tries to like,

Explain that away in a quick little clip. Oh, really? Oh, yes, she does. What's her foolproof explanation? You'll have to watch it, Ben. By that, I mean don't. Because I pulled the ripcord. I'm out. How did Amanda feel about it on a reality level? Oh, same, same. She's just like, this is garbage. It wasn't even good garbage. It's interesting. It's like when you eat a Dorito and it's wet.

Yeah, it's a wet Dorito. I wanted to enjoy some nice junk food. It's like a wet rice cake. Not even like a rice cake is... It's not nutritious. It's just devoid of anything. Yes. But now it's wet. Yes. Anyway, so you got Alec Baldwin and Hunt for Red October. Uh-huh. And then he was edged out initially.

Because they had to delay Patriot Games a year, which would conflict with him doing Streetcar Named Desire on Broadway. Yeah. But there's some speculation, because they originally wanted Harrison Ford for Hunt for Red October. To begin with. That they wanted to get him for this. I have to say, I'm curious how that would have gone. There is something about Alec Baldwin being younger and being a little bit more under...

the wisdom of the, you know, wizened Sean Connery. I wonder how that would have played, but it would have been an amazing reteaming of Ford. That's another one in heaven. I want to see that movie. Yes. And this is the first. action movie that Harrison Ford did after working with Sean Connery on Last Crusade, because 89 Last Crusade, 90 Presumed Innocence, 91 Regarding Henry. So those aren't...

action adventure movies that he's known for. So he comes back in 92 with Patriot Games, but it is funny then that he's kind of playing like an American version of James Bond. It's like... Would you like to see James Bond be American and right wing? And academic again, kind of like Indy, which is interesting too. I mean, there is a complete...

uh, uh, note for note repeat of the Indiana Jones teaching in class. Yeah. Uh, I mean, I was expecting one of those, uh, Naval Academy boys to write, I love you on their eyelids, but they do it. Um, you know, you're already like, He's talking to students after an adventure. You're like, pretty familiar. I've seen Dr. Jones in a classroom. And then they push it even further. With the Brody. With the Brody guy showing up. Yeah. And.

Samuel L. Jackson plays like whoever the Marcus Brody person is, like the colleague who you're friendly with. And even if you weren't working together, you'd love this guy. You'd love talking to him. And he comes in and the look of joy... on Harrison Ford's face that a new Marcus Brody has come into his life. I do love how...

Harrison Ford can just transmit feelings so well. He's so good. When Samuel L. Jackson walks into the room and he has this goofy, happy smile on your face. There's no one like him because he can be intimidating. And I'm talking as an actor, not just... I mean, as a character, not as an actor. actor. He can be intimidating. He can be lovable. He can be vulnerable. He can be aloof. He can be direct. Yeah, and I noticed some sort of kind of after...

effects of regarding Henry in this movie with him and the relationship with his daughter. Yeah, and Thora Birch is so good in this. I mean, one of the best child actors. No kidding. Like... Her little takes. Yeah, and like, you know, I don't know if this is exactly right, but like, I think a good actor is somebody who can have their ear. so tuned to how different people talk. And even unconsciously, they absorb that. So when they say their lines, they give inflections that sound.

oh, they somehow have developed an ear and a mimicry system to make something sound natural. And you're like, okay, that makes sense if it's a... 40-year-old actor who's lived a life. But when you see a kid do that, you're like, whoa, her... access to like people and how people talk at that age is really... You believe she has a very developed relationship with her parents and she's doing Spielberg kid level acting in this movie. Thora Birch would have been a great Spielberg kid.

Yeah, absolutely. Because there's like, it's what his child actors have, which is like... It's a wisdom or something that never falls into like precociousness. And a quirk, a childlike quirkiness that they've been able to maintain a childlike quirkiness with the wisdom. And that's right. It doesn't become a. like an orange juice commercial kid. No, right. There's no quirks. It's like we've sanded down all the quirks just so it's like a Campbell's Soup kid or something. Yeah, she's great.

with Harrison Ford. Yeah, it is funny that the Jack Ryan is like an American version because he's not a cad. like James Bond. He doesn't like sleep around. It's like he has family values. Yeah. Well, yeah, it's very Clancy. And I mean, this is like, you know, two years before, if you say like, Pulp Fiction came along and kind of changed things about what people were willing to a degree of darkness in their main characters. And this is like peak Hollywood.

You got to like everybody. The likable people have to be likable. And there's some seeds like when he's trying on the phone to get to her, there's some really bad ADR. that they cram in to make it seem like, no, he is a really good dad right here. And it borders on the Blade Runner forced... voiceover Harrison. I wonder how much of that is him because he's, I was reading in Brantley's amazing notes. I was also reading up on some stuff in the internet about how he and Philip noise, the director.

initially butted heads a bit because Harrison Ford is so involved. And I, you know, I think he's one of those actors that, yeah. Maybe some actors that are that big come in with ego, but he does seem, when I find out some of the things he's gotten into there, like I think he's the one that has nuanced his character. And when they're going in, the SAS troops are going in to kill.

in that camp, him looking around at people just like they're watching a football game and being uncomfortable with it. And maybe that's his left leaning self going like, I've got to bring this guy more center than this otherwise. pretty right-wing movie and a movie that is not nuanced on behalf of the Irish people whatsoever. No. To the degree that they're not even giving them... The obligatory...

They're human too. The best they can do. You know, like seeing somebody like hug their daughter and you're like, oh, well, this person, you know, they're just like us. Like in every way. The best they can do is make them. A split faction of the IRA so the IRA are not responsible for this. And you've got a little bit more of a nuanced character with Richard Harris, who's the U.S. liaison gun runner for the IRA, who's at odds with Harrison Ford, but then comes around.

Yeah, and I can't remember, but I don't know if the book has the brother dying subplot. I can't... I think they... They did make some good choices in this movie. I think Philip Noyce was also conscious of that because when you're dealing... With Clancy, you've got a long way to go to get it to center, much less left of center, which I don't think is really possible. So this is, of all the Clancy movies, probably the most...

controversial be the way it treats Irish as a culture. I think you can take the terrorists out of it. They're obviously doing something bad, but that's why they're making them a split. faction of the IRA so they can at least have plausible deniability.

if they're not going to discuss the nuanced elements of what was going on in ireland yes yeah and when and what was the you know the happening in 1992 at that time was that yeah so the good friday accord think had happened so since the 70s the troubles had been going on they weren't I don't believe in I'm not by any means an expert on this as turbulent at this point wait in the waters yeah there's still all the issues of you know england being present in northern ireland and

that obviously being the Irish wanted them out, except for the loyalists that lived there and the Protestants, which... It can't be why I love this movie so much, but my Irish roots come from the loyalist Protestants that are siding with the English. The Ulster Plantation is the Scots-Irish that go in there for the English.

The bad guys. I mean, okay. It's no, it's more nuanced than that. I understand. But I, when I, as an American with Irish heritage, look at that, all I can see is just an empire oppressing. a country that they don't belong in. Yeah, and it's interesting. I had the thing that anytime you see a stereotype or stereotypes represented in a movie... You go, okay, this is a stereotype I hear pushed in the world. But it caused me to reflect where it's like, oh, a lot of times it's like...

Who created that stereotype? Who's reinforcing it? And who does it serve when that stereotype is... And I was like, oh, it's funny that a certain... stereotype I got probably, you know, maybe came from the stereotype of the Irish that's in this movie. That serves the English.

Yo, yeah. You know what I mean? I'm going to say something very obvious here, but it's like, oh. And Clancy, who himself is, you know, on the right and probably neocon, you know. Because they're choosing what they're like pro. Thatcher? Yeah, I don't know his direct politics, but basically, and you know, there was a whole spectrum of it depends on what...

what your view of a terrorist versus a freedom fighter is in a case like this. So in Belfast, fighting British troops to get off their land, that to me doesn't say terrorism. Then you go to bombing department stores in London, it's getting a lot grayer. But they're also getting more desperate. And then when you're doing hunger strikes and things like that, where you're in...

Sending a political message like that, that's not terrorism to me. That's people, oppressed people. I don't know. It's uncomfortable as this movie can be because it's putting a real Hollywood... spin on something that is not black and white, especially in how it unfolded over the years. Yeah, I think this would be a good time, too, to read. I didn't know this little piece of history about...

Patriot Games with a review that was written in Variety. Oh, yeah. I'll read this. This is in Brantley's notes. It's pretty good. I can't believe I never heard this. Total, okay. Controversy arose following the Negative Variety Review written by Joseph McBride. Oh, Joseph McBride. I read his Spielberg biography. Oh. I'm just going to get my notes.

The review claimed Patriot Games was a, quote, right-wing cartoon of the British-Irish political situation that was slanted toward the British and was, quote, morally repugnant, ultra-violent. Blatantly anti-Irish. Paramount objected that the review overstepped its purpose of evaluating artistic merits and box office potential and declared it was temporarily suspending the purchase.

of trade advertisements in Variety, similar to their suspension of advertising in The Hollywood Reporter, which they'd done since February of 1992 as a protest against a series of inaccurate... inaccurate articles about the marketing of juice. That is crazy to me that a movie studio would stop paying for advertising.

for a movie review. I know. That's like one person's opinion and thoughts about, and to say it's not about the artistic merits, like, dude, that's like... quarter of the film critic is to stand back and be like, what's... being said here about culture and politics in this movie. But also for a movie like that with a hegemonic empire power to be like to kind of stifle free speech.

It just is not a good look. It's really wild. I was looking at my notes, but did you read the part where the editor... Peter Bart. Yeah, apologized. He apologized, which is weird because he used to work for Paramount. So now he's a variety in chief. So it's like, is he bootlicking his old company? Yeah, he got lambasted for not protecting his critic and everything. I hate Peter Bart.

I don't know anything about him. Peter Fart, if you ask me. Well, now we're talking. Yeah, Petey Fart. I'll even mess up his first name. I won't even give him the dignity of Peter. He's Petey Fart. Petey Fart, Feety Part. He's like, anytime he talks, it's annoying because it's whatever. Well, let's get back to the timeline. So McTiernan and Baldwin were supposed to go on to do, I believe they were going to do.

Clear and Present Danger first, because that's the one McTiernan favored. Then they made it Patriot Games, and McTiernan bowed out because he didn't like the politics. being of Irish heritage. And he said in Brantley Palmer's notes that he thinks there was some chicanery on Paramount's end to force Alec Baldwin out. And I wonder if they...

It would seem to be suggested that the rescheduling happened knowing this guy is going to have to be on Broadway doing A Streetcar Named Desire. Why don't we just schedule the... Jack Ryan movie. I mean, if you really wanted this dude to be in your movie playing Jack Ryan, you'd go, okay, let's wait like a month until Streetcar wraps.

But it's interesting that they didn't make that allowance for him in Hunt for Red October. He had some issues with the script, I believe. You'd think they would have kind of... Gone with that initially. Oh, gave him the boot then? No, just if they wanted Ford in the first place. Why they wouldn't have bent over backwards to get him. Yeah, that's interesting. I mean, certainly Al Baldwin's...

more of a bargain at that time and still. So they got Ford initially for the three next films, including Some of All Fears. I don't know what the story is as to why he didn't come back. Presumably he felt like the franchise was dwindling or something like that. So Ben Affleck, so it goes, Hunt for Road October, Patriot Games, Clear and Present Danger, which most people prefer of the Ford 2. Then Some of All Fears with Morgan Freeman and...

Ben Affleck, which is where a nuke goes off in Baltimore. Oh. Clancy. Then, I can't remember if I got the order right. Ben Affleck is Jack Ryan in that. Yes. Then I believe... The next thing is Chris Pine. in a one-off movie, which I've never seen, but I've heard it's not bad. Okay. Then the John Krasinski show. And then the Michael. I wish it was called the John Krasinski show.

Honey, I'm on a mission again. Bring back some noodles. You know, housewives in sitcoms always ask their husband to bring noodles. And then the Michael B. Jordan movie. It's either that or the Chris Pine one that's called Shadow Recruit. I can't remember. So this franchise, they've tried to gas up many times. And really, I think the TV show, the Krasinski show, is the only one that's had any real legs after Ford. Uh...

So you got Baldwin, Ford, Affleck, Pine, Jordan, Krasinski. As many actors have played Ryan as Bond, if we're talking the official Bond. Yes, that's right. And what do you think is like... The complications of this. Why can't they get an actor to stay? I think, you know, I don't know. I don't know. I wonder if there is something about the Jack Ryan character that's having a little...

wanting to have its cake and eat it too. It's like he's an action guy, but a reluctant action guy and an academic and a family man. And it's just like, he's not enough.

bravura action hero but it's also not enough just like subdued espionage drama it's somewhere in the middle which I also kind of like too it's kind of you don't get a lot of that you know yeah that's a good way of putting it it'd be somewhere in the middle of If James Bond is over here and Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy is over here...

Jack Ryan is somewhere in like the uneasy middle. Exactly. And yeah, all the analyst stuff does not work for me. I gotta say, I know like that's probably like what makes Jack Ryan a specific. Yeah. Cause I think. I think if I'm not mistaken, he becomes president at some point in the novels. Yes. I'm not kidding. I mean, this movie is so funny that it's like...

The big high five, like, fuck, yeah, moment is that he gets knighted. I know. Like, how much of a bootlicker could you be? It's like, yeah. My hero got knighted. Because Ford often just plays himself, you can so easily just extrapolate Air Force One onto the last Ford. Jack Ryan movie if he's president. Oh, that's right. Why don't we just say it's President Jack Ryan on the Air Force One there? Yeah. That's right. And then he's the same character solving crimes in Hollywood Homicide.

That's also Jack Ryan. And 1923. I was also... It made me so... I remember at the time when this came out just being excited by... The idea that Harrison Ford has a new... franchise ahead of him. I know. And that he was surviving the 80s. Yes, he reinvented himself in an appropriate way. Yeah, yeah. But he had like... Boom, boom. The next year after this was The Fugitive, which was like a huge hit nominated for Best Picture and stuff. And I was thinking about it last...

If you looked at the front half of the 90s, you'd be like, this guy's going to be a golden boy until, you know, he's Hollywood. Royalties, a legend. I heard he was knighted. But the late 90s, it got super dicey really quickly. And I think that was reflective of just his state. Of being in movies. You can feel in the movies. He doesn't want to be there. So like six days, seven nights, random hearts, Hollywood homicide, firewall. And that's when I think he, I don't know. He, um,

He doesn't want to be there. I feel like, yeah. He seems to be over action adventure guy. And he's trying to create like a, in that point in the late nineties, like a. A new stage of his career where he's doing dramas and light comedy. Yeah. Yeah. Light drama. Yeah, almost like his late stage Cary Grant period or something, which...

But you know what it is? It's like that's when he begins his grumpy period, but it's unironic and it's not self-aware. He really does seem to be not having fun. And then he eventually grows into that as a persona. plays and milks it in a good way that I think he's been in for the last 10-15 years and it's working so I think I don't know how you have a career as long and as fruitful as his without a fallow period like that and even then

His fallow stuff is still better than a lot of people's good stuff. I kind of want to do like watch some of those fallow period movies like Hollywood homicide and firewall. Cause that's another one where he's just, There's a lot of dad action movies. Not action movies for dads, though they are that, but where he's literally playing a dad. He is a dad. The fugitive. Patriot Games. Clear and Present Danger. Air Force One. Air Force One. Yeah, he's America's dad.

Yeah, seeing him be a dad, you're right. A lot of times in action-adventure movies, they might be fathers in name. But it's not like you really see, not until like part Die Hard 4, do you even see John McClane like interface with his kid. Right. His grown-up daughter too. Yeah. And then in 5 when he's just having such a rapport with Jai Courtney. Is that his son? Yes. All as they fight their way through all of Russia, presumably funded by Russians. Who knows? Yeah, but...

This also stage of Ford's career is interesting too because I don't think he's ever been as thin slash gaunt. Ever after this movie, he just grows a little bit more into his... body. I mean, even by, even by the fugitive. Yeah. Yeah. And the fugitive, he's got that kind of like full face with the full beard. He looks kind of beefy in this, like there's a scene in the courtroom.

Where my man looks like Johnny Greenwood of Radiohead. He's got like these jaw bones that are like just jutting out. And his voice, I think this is maybe the last time. his voice has a higher tone to it. Like when he was giving that speech at the very beginning of the movie and he was like, I want to thank you all for letting me be here. I was like, who is this Harrison Ford? Another line he has where he goes, just made me mad.

Just make me mad? Just make me mad. What does he say to that? You're saying you never get mad at me, man. When he's talking to Marcus Brody. Yes, yes, yes. It just made me mad. It's a great delivery. Yes, and also the delivery, the touches that I liked in this performance is getting to see some good.

teary-eyed Harrison Ford. That's the good stuff, man. And this is the first time that I've... paid attention to this movie and not had it on background since i've had a daughter and not to say that i can't empathize with that but it is a different thing when you see thora birch in that unconscious in that hospital bed with tubes coming out of her

I was not prepared for that. Oh, I mean, it's the funniest thing. It's the biggest shift you'll experience as a moviegoer and parent. Yeah. It's the biggest shift I've had as a moviegoer watching movies is... The easy plot gimmick of your daughter or son has been kidnapped by terrorists or bad guys or hurt. And you just go, yep.

I get it because Jack Ryan wants his daughter and he's going to get revenge. And then, yeah, when you have a kid, it's like extremely different. And I hate that thing that like politicians are like, if they're talking about women's rights or like bills about.

sexual assault or rape and they're just like as a father of a daughter I can't oh right and it's you're like oh you couldn't find humanity yeah you couldn't have some empathy before that I'm just saying there's a a nerve that yeah you know what i'm talking about that it's a whole new level you know what i was thinking uh yesterday i was like it's funny that um people many people have kids, and this would be unconscious, but in a self-serving...

way, right? Maybe a selfish way of like, I want love from my kids, this thing will... An organ factory. Yes. I want to get into that... club or that world if I have a kid this is my axe you know or the ornamental bullshit that people hang on their kids The irony is, is that like it requires you to be the most selfless person and most sacrificing person. So the idea that somebody has when they want to have a kid is completely like, you know. Yeah, it becomes.

broken down. Yeah. It becomes a place going from a place of ego to loss of ego. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like necessarily in the best, most beautiful way in the world. Yeah. I had a transition with that because I'm an older dad and it just by nature of had it. my way for as long as I wanted to. And making that transition was admittedly difficult for me. I was never...

bitter about it. I was just, I was like, I'm grateful for it. It really is a gift. It's a good way to put it, but it was a real struggle for me and I feel much better about it. I mean, for my wife, Hilaria and I, and our seven kids. New York apartment. It can get pretty hairy, but I'm always grateful for it. Is her name Hilaria? Hilaria? It might as well be. Hilaria, yeah, something like that. You're Hilaria. Yo, you're so Hilaria.

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Okay, so if people join the Patreon or are already part of it, they get to nominate and vote for this month's commentary. That's cool. I hope it's Patriot Games. No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. So this movie opens after the title sequence on... What isn't, but looks like a matte painting of a, of a beautiful coastal house. Yes. It's amazing. I always think it's fake. And then you, the scenes are all shot there exterior. It's beautiful. I mean, and this is like.

Right up against fully adjacent to a yuppie nightmare. I mean... I know. It's a yuppie action nightmare. Yes. It's a yuppie action thriller. It really is. I mean, when they dropped into that... Beautiful home. And it's like that beige-y white look. Picture frames on the piano. Yep, yep, yep. And then the patron saint... a woman of Yuppie Nightmares, Ann Archer. I mean, this is almost like a...

Tom Clancy's skin over Fatal Attraction. Yeah. You got the Ann Archer wife. Our favorite rye Scientologist, Ann Archer. Yes, yes. It's the only reason I, uh, I watch movies is the hope that I'll get to see my favorites. I tell it is Ann Archer. Uh, um, the, yes, the, the, the lovely, like. wife, played by Ann Archer, who they have a daughter, like in Fatal Attraction, same age, the same kind of cozy domestic scenes that are in Fatal Attraction, but also Eddie.

yuppie nightmare the tv playing and the you know it's playing in the room while they're doing their family business but then the ending is like full-on fatal attraction with the, like, we think we vanquished the... enemy yeah let's go home and relax it's all taken care of throw a little yuppie party yep and then uh-oh the villain wasn't vanquished and now mom has to like

do the business of taking on the bad guy who dared to come into my quiet, beautiful... Too bad Sean Miller wasn't played by Glenn Close. Addressed as Albert Knobs. This came out six months after she played the male pirate in Hook. Yeah, and Albert Knobs was coming too. That's a... What Albert Knob says in third person while he's having sex during climax. Albert Knob is coming too! It's not enough that...

I don't even know what the story of Albert Nobbs is. Is Albert Nobbs a woman playing a man in the movie or is she playing a man? I don't Nobbs. I have Nobbs clue. Oh, that now Albert Nobbs speaks in the third person. That makes it all work for me. Yeah, I'd like to think Albert Nobbs always speaks in third person. I would if I had a name like Albert. Nobbs want chocolate. Nobs wants chocolate. Nobs require soup. I don't know why. But yeah, it's made by...

Paramount. It did seem like they were just going like, what can we... You know what's interesting too is that... How do we warm up this spy movie? I'm not going to like... give, give award this movie, KCVO night, Victorian order of the cross or whatever for its portrayal of women. But for its time, it gives Ann Archer a lot of agency. Some of it's a little on the nose, but you know, she's. She really has a character. She plays a part in the plot. Oh, and I mean, it's just choice.

90s filmmaking where it's like she's not just the wife she's a surgeon and a great I mean I'm a doctor I'm not hating on it I'm going to treat him I'm a doctor he's my husband I'm going to treat him but even with the shotgun at the end and um and it reminds me a bit of bonnie bedelia and die hard who bonnie bedelia would then be harrison ford's wife and presumed innocent too there's kind of that interesting thing it's another thing that i wonder how much

Harrison Ford, not to give him the credit for this, but somewhere along the way someone took pains in a time when most filmmakers didn't. to give the wife some dimension. Yeah. And the other kind of, you mentioning the weird nexus of Harrison Ford and his leading ladies and who they've been. If James Earl Jones... Had him been in The Hunt for Red October playing that character. The Hunt for Rod October. You'll never find me. I'm going to hide behind a pole. Shit, my rod's sticking straight out.

Yeah, that does sound like a gay porno version of a Tom Clancy movie, The Hunt for Rod October. The hunt for rod bend over. Oh, thank you. The C word for rod bend over. All right. Hey, we're earning. Literally the word, the article does the only one we haven't punned on. In that title, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the rod bend over.

Beautiful work we've done here. I think we could retire this podcast and our lives. We're checking out. But if James Earl Jones hadn't played that character... In the Hunt for Rod October. Yeah. You know, he now has to play it in Patriot Games. But that means when Jack Ryan starts talking to his buddy James Earl Jones, he should have been like...

This motherfucker sounds like Darth Vader. Yeah. This is a guy that air zapped my blaster in the middle of a Bespin dining hall. Exactly. And then also... A great finger work by Harrison Ford as always. love that finger coming up when he's yelling to the, when he's one of the wife and daughter and saying, get down, get down his hand finger work. But then I also noticed when he, uh,

He does it in the courtroom too, doesn't he? When he stands up. You did this. Yes, yes, yes. And when Richard Harris tried to comes up and talks to him, he gives a full on Empire Strikes Back. Who is it? C-3PO is talking to him when he's trying to do mechanical work on the Millennium Falcon. Is it the Never Tell Me the Odds? No, because that he's behind the thing. This one, he's kind of like in back. Oh, yeah. And then C-3PO comes up and he turns real quick and he puts that. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

He did the exact same thing with Richard Harris. The final little Harrison Ford connection, which is so bizarre, is that scene before he... Gets attacked by like the Notre Dame grad on the street. He's standing underneath the street sign that says Hanover Street. Oh, I know. I mean, is that intentional?

I mean, maybe they didn't scout that location, but once they were there, they're like, we got to do it. This is pretty funny. Yeah, and then we'll go over here to Frisco Kids Street and then to... American Graffiti Street and Apocalypse Now Street, but that's just a little one-way courtyard for him. It's just a little small part of the street. It'd be Apocalypse Now Place. I'm recalling, actually, there is one more...

Echo of a previous Harrison Ford movie. And it's when he goes in and he's looking at the satellite pictures. Uh-huh. Oh, the enhance, yeah. The enhance is a full-on Deckard enhance. He even uses the word enhance, and it does the little, like, square thing. I know. Beep, beep, beep. In a way, it's like Harrison Ford greatest hits in a way. Yeah. Somebody told me once after they saw Mission Impossible 3, they thought J.J. Abrams was doing like a fun...

cruise filmography that a lot of the disguises are Pat. Like there's a part where he comes in. He'd do. Yeah. There's a part where he comes into an airport and he looks like his born on the 4th of July character and stuff. Oh, that's funny. Yeah. Um, There are some directorial touches that I do love. And I remember I saw this movie in the theater with my buddy Jeff Davis. And I remember that's part of why I love this movie. It was like, I think we're back.

Wait, month did this come out in 92? June 92. So I was back from my first year of college. Right on. Seeing everybody in high school again. Yeah. Having been gone. And you had a bang, bang, bang series of weekends. You had Lethal Weapon 3. Yeah.

Alien 3, and then Patriot Games. Which came out on my birthday. And Jeff and some friends and I went to see Alien 3. And I stayed up the night before, so I fell asleep. But then he and I went to see this. What year was Schindler's List? 93. so we i think we also saw schindler's list the next year also t2 i think we saw the year before so i just remember

How much I loved seeing this movie at that time. And I always remember the little directorial touches that just didn't feel like they were present in action movies. And so I think this movie is... in its own kind of little mid range, narrow band category of action movies. Like when they get it, he gets told that they're, he's going to be awarded the KCBO and.

he and Ann Archer sit down and they both cross their legs at the same time. And then they both look at each other and, and it's a little like presentational, but it also, to me, it works. And yeah. And. it just has like almost theater stage theater comic business. Yes. And they do it again. Uh,

I think they do it when they're having champagne in those hotel suite. They look at each other and then the little girl does things like that. There's just little moments. Oh yeah. I love, yes, the director, Philip Noyce. Nice! Have you ever seen Dead Calm? That's a really good yuppie nightmare. But that's a fantastic movie. And you watch it and you go, oh, I see why Hollywood just plucked this guy out of.

australia yeah um with with like you know along with peter weir and who are the others that kind of names that uh brantley put together that were part of the ozploitation of um 80s filmmaking there is um Noice was one of the last of the... Okay. Peter Weir, George Miller, Fred Chepsey, Bruce Beresford, and Lillian Armstrong. And he was one of the last of the American...

Australian new wave to be lured to Hollywood. And yeah, I, and this quote here, Brantley pointed out that it sounds a little bit like how people talk about how Disney hires directors who maybe don't have a lot of a body of work. to pull

Yeah, like the Marvel thing. To have power moves. People with real potential and talent, but that they think that they can shape and mold. Yeah, and Philip Noyce said he was in a difficult spot making this film. This is his quote. You're servicing a machine, which in some ways is the equivalent

of a sausage factory. You always want to consider yourself to be an artist, but when you've got those pressures and responsibilities, you pretty soon realize the truth of the old adage that a movie director is an artist in the morning and a businessman in the afternoon. that sometimes you've only got time for the artistry after afternoon tea. Yeah, that's a really good quote. Yeah, I thought that was really great. And I...

I could see that tension in the movie. There's some times where it's just like, it's full on, let's make this as simple as... the storytelling and the characterizations as simple as possible. Um, and then, but these little touches that like were pretty cool, like, I love one of the touches I liked to your What Touches Do We Like. I like that part. What touches do we like? When they're in the back of the car before the bridge takeover.

where they get the bad guy out of the back of the van when they have that little shared smile between the Irish lawyer

Oh, David Threffle. Yeah. And then who's the guy who I'm blanking on? Sean Miller. Sean Bean. Sean Bean. Yeah. And it's not even like a big, heavy-handed Hollywood movie moment of like... long look at each other smiling we get each other it's like truly just like a little brief and I don't even know if Sean Bean sees that guy smile at him it's a really I love those moments the other thing that's really great about this

movie is you know what's cool about all these class of 92 movies like in that little period between Terminator 2 and Jurassic Park before Hax started going, oh, we could use CGI just so we don't have to ever film a car stunt again. That scene... of um the bridge the bridge little what would you call that the uh the bridge escape the bridge escape yeah um i i'm outside of christopher nolan

you'll never see a scene like that in a movie ever again, which is, it's gorgeous. I mean, it's so the perfect Hollywood gloss of like, a beautiful skyline, an actual bridge, four cars on fire. Yeah. And then... amazing stunt work. I mean, like that boat sequence at the end when those two boats are like running together, that was amazing. And the initial shooting of the Royals, that scene is maybe my favorite.

That's my favorite action sequence in the movie. But you know when you see it again? It's Clear and Present Danger, and it has maybe the most amazing set piece, which is the four... It's like suburban SUVs bottlenecked in that alleyway with all the like, uh, RPGs from up above and they're going back and forth. Yeah. That's kind of, it's got a lot of like, you're losing characters you like. And it's, I think that's why.

people probably like that movie better. That scene's pretty amazing. It is good, yeah. I saw it clear in present danger in the theater. Yeah. When you were saying about that opening... sequence with the... The attack on the Royals. Yeah, yeah. You know, when I had to... Oh, I know what I would say. With the Philip Noyce thing about the artist in the morning and a businessman in the afternoon. I heard it described... What is he in the sheets? I heard it described to me once.

On set, I was talking to somebody how, you know, we went on sets. This happens every single day. Nobody ever... remembers the end of the day when the next day starts but you know how it's really funny how like people are just kind of like slow and taking their time in the morning yeah at the beginning of the day

It'll be like, you know what? I think that vase shouldn't be there. Can we just move that a little bit in the background? And then at the end of the day, when you're either running out of time or sunlight, it's... bananas and people are just like, go, go, come on, come on. We got to get this. And you're like, you're like, wait, why don't we ever remember?

The next day, how panicked we were at the end of the day. I think it's pure energy conversation because conservation, you can't start the day that way and sustain it all. Oh, yeah. Nobody wants to be the boss who's like, what are we doing here? Like everybody, you know, you want to come to the office and dream.

some coffee and talk at the water cooler like i get i understand on a psychological morale level like what happened anyway i was talking to a a camera operator about it once and he said oh yeah uh Gone with the Wind in the Morning, Dukes of Hazzard at Night. I'm like, oh, that's awesome. Yes. Gone with the Wind in the Morning. That's really funny. Dukes of Hazzard at Night. Oh my God. But yeah, now go into that.

sequence, the thing I was going to say was I really had to question my own personal moral code of what I consider heroism when Jack puts his wife and daughter down and protects them, and then he goes running into it. I was like, what are you doing, dude? That's a real Clancy thing. There is a... argument to be made that he is protecting them by ending the threat, but you're right. The better thing would just to be keeping them sheltered, I guess. For many reasons, which is like, yes.

you work for the CIA or whatever you did, but like your major role here now is husband and father. Yeah. And like, if he got shot and killed there, But his wife and daughter for the rest of their lives are like, this sucks. Yeah, that's very true. I'm trying to remember. I read the book after this and there was something in the book about it was a... Not defending it. No, no, no. He literally doesn't think about it. He has this old football move that he used to do.

Maybe someone's read the book and they can elucidate this more, but I think if I remember correctly. New England Patriots games. He does this like shoulder tackle. And he just goes into like. football mode without thinking. It's like an auto.

No, no, no. As a book, I could see how that, like, yes, they're saying like it was bustle memory. I can't believe, like, I can't remember what I did three days ago and I read this book 30 years ago and I somehow remember. I read The Hunt for Red October and I... remember parts of it oh i've told you about reading the novelization of last crusade and how the author developed that he had this like tingle in the back of his neck where he could sense danger like a spidey sense

Uh, was it also, didn't Tom Clancy kind of become popular because Reagan liked his books, which is a funny parallel of the John F. Kennedy. I know. Yeah. And, and. Clancy distance himself.

from this film did not was not happy with it but then they made some changes he said he wasn't going to work with him again and you get the feeling like behind the scenes he they gave him more money for clearing present danger or something and he's like there's some good stuff here yeah yeah yeah anyway rainbow said I didn't even rainbow five. You're asking me to rainbow six. But yeah, him running into that, it's also like...

Yes, the whole thing of like, what's your real role here, dude? Like, just be a husband and father. Like, that's your job here on this planet. And then who is he really like? this sounds nationalist but i'm just sort of like because he's not You're not fighting for an American interest really there either. I mean, I guess that defines a hero. He looks beyond borders. He's a Clancy hero, so he's saving...

someone who though maybe like is complicit in, in their Royal lineage, but is otherwise innocent. Cause there's a wife and daughter in. There's a wife and... Yeah. So... I don't know. Has he also assessed that these are... IRA terrorists, I guess at the time, that's what you would immediately conclude. I mean, that's my final point, which is like, if you're really trying to do good for the world, you don't go in and start shooting IRA guys.

and inflaming this domestic, this global tension. Like, those guys would have probably gotten caught. Like, right? I don't know. Or they don't. And those people, a terrorist act happened. Like... It really is the kind of like, why are we fighting in Vietnam? What are you doing here, Nixon? What interest does America have? It's this like putting your nose into this thing. It's a very American. Yeah, it's just like hang back and let them figure this out.

out dude and figure it out and he makes it he does like and then the movie as it like unspooled I'm like yes I was right he should have never gone into that because It fucks his life up for the rest of the, and his family's life. I know. It fucks things up for America. It's like, dude, just stay out. This is why I think you're lucky you have Harrison Ford because you're getting the best version of this. Anybody else would have probably.

had the kind of like nineties version of the rock and Vin Diesel have to throw this exact equal amount of punches to each other in a fight. Yes. Sort of machismo that this movie Harrison Ford somehow. is able to pull off like macho capability without that. For me, yes, it's in the script. It's ridiculous that he runs and it does that, but...

when you've got Harrison Ford as the vehicle, you're both getting someone who can nuance it a little bit and also still has enough of that action adventure patina that you're kind of like able to brush it aside a little bit. Yeah. So there's also the fact that he doesn't,

his own stunts yeah you know a lot of times for most actors that's like a a macho thing yeah i do my own stunts but when i was watching harrison ford in this scene like do stunts like when he was taking on the like notre dame grad behind the van and he was doing that cool like fighting and he gets pushed up against the van really hard and stuff. I was like thinking Harrison Ford does that because, um,

It's almost like his version of method as an action. It's like, I have to actually be doing the thing to sell this. And then also that it's like, it's the version of. for an action star of walking the walk instead of like talking the talk. And so you're right, when he does run in and he takes those guys out during the car bombing sequence, it...

It works because you're seeing him actually do the stuff. And it is an action thriller. And without this, you've literally got no movie. In real life, it's a different thing. That'd be so funny. The movie is... You're either on the train or you're not. He's witnessed a terrorist attack and then they go home and like... watch it on the news. Yeah, we were there. Remember? Yeah. Um, and he, uh, uh, what was I going to say? He, he apparently there was much more of a fight.

with the annapolis guy trying to kill him on the street and ford was like no one's gonna believe this young beefcake couldn't take me in a second so we've just got to like make it a kind of you know because he does that trick around the thing it's almost like Paul Greengrassian the fighting yeah I loved it like the little um

cat and mouse just around the van. The guy goes around because he thinks and then he comes back and Jack's there. Yeah. And my suspicion is that Ford is, and probably Noyce too, is to credit for a lot of the stuff that may have not been there in the script and probably certainly wasn't. the book i don't remember exactly but one couple things i love is in the initial attack this is one of the few movies to use a

bomb that doesn't have a little red light or a beep when you activate it. It's just like a magnet mine. That's how they are. There's no point to ever have a beeping bomb to alert someone that there's a bomb there. It's so stupid. That's so true.

It's such a movie thing. It's the same as, you know, it's one of those movie conventions that I hate. Take up the space of your bomb to make sure you... threaded the wiring to have the little led light like that's like funny yeah yeah so anything that's a signifier here's a light and a noise hmm what could that be do you think it's the same light that was on the side of the uh pulse album

from Pink Floyd. Do you remember that? No, they put an actual light on it. Like on the side of the CD was a little blinking LED light and Pink Floyd, you know, this isn't just some crummy, shitty... Gimmick. For a much later, lamer and lesser album? Yeah. No, no, no. It's to replicate the pulse of the listener. That was like their little... But people online will still have their pulse box. They're like, my LED light is still flashing. It's still going? Oh my God.

I love, though, that... What about your speech? I'll wing it. And then they cut to the speech, and it is the most written... In fact, I think I even took a screenshot of it. And that's what he has is really high voice too. Yeah. Here. I'll wing it in this volatile climate. We can only speculate on the future of Soviet fleet development. Yeah. Those people wing in this volatile climate. But you know what he's talking about is there's like a...

In the foreground, a blueprint of the Soviet submarine Red October. Oh, cool. Yeah, the chronology of this is interesting. When I read in the notes that Clear and Present Danger was supposed to be the next one. It's funny that in the first sequel, he's already retired from the CIA and the wife is like, don't go back. I mean, if they knew that there was going to be...

how many more Jack, you save that for like the last movie. Skyfall should be the second to last Daniel Craig movie, if not the last. Skyfall touches too in this with the home invasion and the guy having that. I got a P. Let's take a P break. Sounds good. Patriot Games. Patriot Games. Patriot Games. Pistriot Games. Boo.

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We're back. We're back. And Matt, while you were using, while you were going Pistria games, I read our live stream. We got a really great group of people. And real quick, sometimes... The incentive to be a baby Xenomorph live stream streamer is... You get special off-mic stories that we trust with the select group. Yes, I shared a little off-mic anecdote that I would never dare tell on the actual microphone. It was about Rod October. So Jeff...

who's in our live stream, he looked up in the book the description of why Jack attacked it. Okay. This is the move. I like that Jeff capitalized it to the move as described in the book. He moved quickly. He meaning Jack Ryan, I assume. He moved quickly around the stopped car, head down, keeping low and accelerating rapidly.

His eyes locked on his target, the small of the man's back, just as he'd been taught in high school football. It's the muscle memory of playing high school football. How would I remember it from just that thing? I thought there was more. To it. There could be more. Maybe the next line is like, it's just like what Gorley said. We'll say in 30 years.

One thing I love about this movie is the murderer's row of character actors. Yes. First of all, we've got James Fox, who's the brother of the Jackal, Edward Fox. How about that? I know. That was cool. And I believe Edward Fox was supposed to play this part. A little tip of the morning to you? A little tip of the morning hat to you? Don't know. You've got... David Thrafal, who's the Irish kind of investigator that gets killed. Alan Armstrong, who I love from Kroll. He's the Han Solo from Kroll.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, and then you've obviously got, I think, Samuel L. Jackson, who at this time was... Still a that guy. He had done Goodfellas, but not a ton more. Oh my gosh, and what a part. I mean, this is a true, like, big Hollywood role playing Harrison Ford's friend. Yeah. And he's great. I mean... It's what a character actor should do, like bring distinction to kind of a...

part without much dimension. You've got Patrick Bergen from Sleeping with the Enemy without mustache. I know, a kind of hard to place Patrick Bergen. I need that mustache. Yeah, Polly Walker. Same with Candice Bergen. If she doesn't have her mustache, I can't recognize her. And her dad, if his dummy doesn't have a mustache, I don't recognize the dad. Her dad. You know her dad was the ventriloquist. Edward...

Bergen is her father. Oh, I didn't know that. Edward Bergen is my father. You know she said that on the set of Murphy Brown. No, I am your father. Yes. The Edward Bergen ventriloquist dummy was originally supposed to play the Darth Vader with the helmet stick. How bizarre would that be? Yeah, other character actors. I think that's all I got. Those were good, though. But you've also got Enya's old group singing...

on TV. Is it Clannad? Is that how you pronounce it? Or Clannad? I don't know. That's the Irish folk group that's playing and they're singing. That video is the theme from a TV... movie or miniseries called Harry's Game about the troubles in Ireland that really stars one of my favorite very obscure

character actors named Ray Lawnan, who is in the show called the sandbaggers and also shows up in that show. Love joy that I've talked. That's awesome. But I've watched, it's a really good show where he's like an has undercover and has to infiltrate the IRA, but kind of gets. mixed up in it all. And it's pretty good. It's a little Easter egg they're going to put in there. Yeah. Yeah. I noticed it was interesting when that person was watching that Enya video, the...

Music on the TV became like the score in the sequence. Yeah, and that's from another movie. Yeah. And then, yeah, you've got the James Horner score, which also is the Alien score when they're watching the SAS. troops go down. Did you notice that? That's like so much. He's pretty notorious. Of all the composers, he's the most reusable. I mean, Rathakhan...

is the same aliens is the wrath of God, right? Yeah. And even when they're not note for note, when you take like Titanic and the Irish of this one, I noticed too the Scottish of Braveheart. Titanic Irish, which I was like, the 90s might have been the last time. Irish culture could really, really had its hooks in the American culture because he had the Titanic like...

which then, because it's the most popular movie of that decade, kind of seeped down into all things. Enya was big, too. And then Riverdance. Yeah, Michael Flatley. Do you know there's a movie self-funded by Michael Flatley where he basically plays a James Bond? No. And he's like, not long ago this movie was made. I forget what it's called. Is he like a...

By day, a river dancer at night, a special agent. Does he use that as his cover? I don't know. There's a pretty good river dance spoof in Jane Austen's Mafia. That movie. I don't know if you've seen it. No, I haven't. You don't have to check it out. Okay. Sounds pretty good. Not the best of the spoof movies. Well, do you know what I liked, Matt? What? I liked Jack Ryan's Domino's boxer shorts.

Did you see those? I just love the whole way he's climbing on that bed with the two glasses of champagne still in a dress shirt, but I didn't notice they were dominoes. I mean, I love just the quick... short Hollywood shorthand. I mean, when I say Hollywood, I say like the most affectionately, it's like the stuff that I fucking love about movies that like, yeah, he's good at his job. He's,

Well, just also the literal star turn. It goes to the back of his head, and you hear him talking, and then he turns his head, and you see Harrison Ford's big fucking face. It's the best. So you're like, he's good at his job. But you know what? He rolls over the couch.

to play a board game with his wife and daughter. So he's a good father too. He's good at his job. He's good at his father. But you know what? He's also a good husband. He drinks champagne and fucks his wife. He might not care enough about his kids. goldfish but he'll care enough about his kid to get his goldfish replaced also I love that it was like boomer dad energy where he rolled over played one round

And it was like, ah, you win. It was like, this was enough of my fatherly duties playing this for a quarter of the game. But I also understand that. And then, yeah, when they... bring the champagne in and toast that like, and if you can contrast it with like, he's the hero. The hero is in a luxury hotel room having champagne. and not having on-screen sex with his wife. That is a hero. A villain picks up a prostitute in a bar and refuses to wear a condom because of the Catholic Church.

And in 1992, the guy who says, I'm not wearing a rubber, is the villain of the world. You're not going to make me wear a rubber, are you? And I love, too, that they were just like, with a ladle, just like putting on the Irish stereotypes of that scene where he's like, now watch your temper. But don't drink too much. Jimmy. And then... The church. They, like, put every... The church says that's a sin. Yeah. So's this. That guy's so... I love it, though. He's so...

His face and perfect beard is so Russian. It's so good. Jimmy Reardon. Jimmy Reardon, One Night in the Life of Jimmy Reardon. Oh, yeah. That's right. Now, when we... After the hotel sequence, the sequence where the... little girl is trying to make the guard laugh. Yeah. I'm going to say something, and it might sound hyperbolic. Okay. But I think the guard...

who can't smile or laugh is maybe the best thing humanity has ever like created. Just the tension of it all. The comedy of it. Yeah. Like, how? funny is it? It's like they made that up just for comedic purposes. Why is there not a reality show where actual palace guards have to stand in full regalia holding a... Bullpup submachine gun with a bayonet that goes over the barrel, not below it. The hollow knife bayonet that goes over the barrel.

But I want some classic guards there. I don't like this black floofy thing. I want the royal blue. Like the beef eaters? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so whatever it is. And then you get, not just like up and coming comedians. I'm talking like. You got to still prove your metal, A-list comedians. Whether you find these people funny or not, you got, and some of them I really don't, Jim Carrey, Billy Crystal, Martin Short, find him very funny. Yes.

These people have to go in and go, let's get some of the best standups working today. You get a Chris rock out there. Yes. You get him doing like the best against the best. Well, Yes, that's what it would be called. Irresistible force versus immovable object. Well, did you watch Make Me Laugh when you were a kid? Do you remember that game show?

Yes. Make me laugh. My sisters and I would watch it and stuff. So like you just do make me laugh with Buckingham Palace cards. Yes. I mean, that'd be great. I know. What would you do to crack up a card? Oh man, when you're, when you're that conscious of how much it's gotta work, it's tough. It's a different game. You know, it's hard to like, you almost have to go method comedy.

where you can't acknowledge to yourself that these are the circumstances, because then you won't be funny, you know? Right, you can't recognize that this is the setup, and you also, I think it has to rely on spontaneity. It does, yeah. You can't plan it. So like a bird flies by and makes a weird sound and you go like, oh.

Sounds like Ringo Starr's up early today. Yeah. The guy's like, what the hell? You just pulled that out of the... You didn't plan that bird making that sound in your hilarious Ringo Starr crack. It would take a certain level... Like some absurdity would have to be mixed in. Like to me, a well-honed like verbal comedian isn't going to get me, but someone like Will Forte could come in.

and just do something with that face of his and that voice of his, that would break me for sure. You know, it's funny with the SNL 50th thing. I think... For me, Will Forte is top five writer performer. I agree. He just tickles me and is so funny and can make any line hilarious. Yeah. He's like Andy Daly to me where they just...

There's a level of truth to their expression that you believe it. Yes. And my favorite combo of... wholesomeness with an edge that's the sweet spot and I was thinking about it I think Will Forte to me is the last performer on SNL is the last version of this type who is as strong of a writer as he is strong of a performer. It's kind of like what Mike Myers has, which is just like, oh, he can fully write his own thing.

and be as equally funny as the writing. It's a real accomplishment. Yeah, Forte definitely does that for me. I mean, I think Andy Samberg has that with the... uh, digital videos. I'm like, Oh, uh, as hilarious, a performer. Oh, and he's hilarious and sketches and stuff. I just don't know who writes the live sketches, but the videos, I'm just like, Whoa. Somebody who's as good of a writer as a performer is like, that's peanut butter and jelly, my man. Agreed. The...

Okay, so when that attack happens before the Sean Bean stuff, when he's talking to his little brother, that might be the worst exposition. Little brother. Little brother. He calls him... Little brother. And like, guys, it's as easy as just saying like, dad would be proud of us, you know. It's as easy as not saying it and just finding out after the fact.

There's some real spoon feedery in this movie. I mean, like they don't want you to misunderstand any moment of this. I don't care how good you write characters and how good you write plot. To me, the measure of a good screenwriter is how well they can couch.

exposition in a way that doesn't feel forced. It is so hard to do. And they dole it out. And then when you find a good method... And then the excitement of doling out is what's really cool too. If they had saved that, that was the brother until... the moment afterwards when they're like giving him and you're like, and you know, that was his brother. You'd be like, Oh, holy shit. I know. And when someone finds a clever way to do it,

then you've only got a few more shots at that because then that becomes overused. Yes. Yeah. It's, it's a real challenge to pull that off, but man, this movie didn't do it. I remember they do the same thing in the pilot of game of Thrones when, jamie lannister and cersei lannister you know they're the like incest twins but like in the first line

As your brother, I must tell you, like, I have never, ever once needed to announce to my sister that I am her brother. And the word as. As. As should never be in any way. You know, Jenny, I don't know if you know that... I'm certain our audience doesn't know that I'm your brother, but I should tell you. The good figure pointing with the get down to his family.

First Post Connery action movie with Harrison Ford. It's a rated R action movie too, which it doesn't seem like this would be rated R, but it is. You just didn't get a lot of rated R action movies. You get rated R dramas, but this, again, is in that mid-range where it's... It's funny, I wrote at the top PG-13 because... It's not. It's the only Jack Ryan movie that's rated R, I think.

That's so weird because the F-bomb is only dropped once. And when is it? In an amazing scene when him and Richard Harris face off in that pub. Molly Malone's. Do you know that's Molly Malone's? No. Yeah. The Irish pub here in West L.A., West Hollywood. What? Yeah. The one on Fairfax? Fairfax, yeah. That is where they filmed it? Yeah, and they shot some stuff around town in Palos Verdes. Oh, my God. Yeah, it must have been some of that coastal stuff. That's so funny. I know. And maybe that was...

They always meant to do that or it was a reshoot or something, but yeah. That'd be like if they're like, yeah. Now Jack has to go to Japan and they shoot a scene of like Betty Hanna. I know. It's such a funny like Molly Malone's is like Molly Malone's is old. Yes. But yeah, I know. Yeah, that's funny. The. even though talking shit about the little brother exposition. Yeah.

amazing dead acting by that little brother. Oh, I know. He's good. The little guy's good. Oh, my God. What a performance. I don't know. Did we see him again? When they get into the CIA then, and there's... I love in movies, whether they're contemporary or period, the framed picture of the president. Yes, I do too. It's weird now to see movies where Trump's in them. I haven't seen any. I think there was one and I can't remember what it was.

It's probably Jack Ryan. They always have a little bit of a suggestion of commentary, right? They have to. Even if they don't mean it. Yeah. Because it's Bush and... This one, right? And this one, my question to you is, yeah, because this would have been the last year, and this movie would have come out probably after... Clinton had won the primaries, but hadn't been chosen as... And certainly not while they were filming. Right. But of all framed presidents...

In movies, framed portraits of presidents, do you think George H.W. Bush is the least represented? Probably, but he's the most perfect representation of this movie because it's like conservatism. light. It's like, and he was a former CIA director. That's right. Yeah. It's like past sell by date of Reagan.

And this movie's got some conservative tinges to it. It's also, though, because he was only four years. Yeah, he was only four years. But then also, when people make period movies, it's very rarely in the 88 to 92. period too. You wouldn't ever have it just on a period. No, you're so right. It's always, if they're going to do eighties, they're always going to do the Reagan administration. Yeah. Yeah. And then they're going to do Clinton.

yep that's so interesting yeah yeah um the uh um the operatic assassination movement with drinking tea and smoking cigs watching tv that was cozy guy drinking tea and having a cig you mean before he gets shot oh the guy yeah when they infiltrate his house and kill him but then what did you think of the um squib forehead work that was pretty good yeah

But if I'm not mistaken, I'd have to go back and watch it, but it's not... I think it's one of those ones where they've just got the makeup done and then they just cut to it. Do we see it? pop open? I think it's one of those that you talk about with the string. They pull the filament? So you see plain forehead and then you see it appear? No, you don't, Matt. You're right. So it could have still been that, but they for some reason would have edited too. I don't know. It made me...

There is a thing that happens in movies that's really funny, which is when they're building up to a stunt or effect, right? And it's all kinetic energy. And then... Right before the stunt or effect, it's so funny how the person gets very still. Yes. Because they're like, you can't be moving around when we pull the filament out. You just kind of got to be still. I noticed that I was re-watching Body Double recently.

Craig Wasson comes running into Gloria Revelle's house and he's like looking for her. And the dog comes running up behind him. And then right before the dog jumps on him, the actor just becomes... incredibly still just stops free dog training pose yes yes yes and also when he gets shot that the blanket just follows his lap with him oh like like Post-coitus in movies, the blanket always does a very good job of covering genitalia. Yeah.

Gaunt Ford, Gaunt Ford. Classic film director, Gaunt Ford. I will never, never not be blown away. that barrister wigs are still worn every time I see them. How wild is that? I'm sure we've got our crazy traditions, but it's also so funny. I don't mean to make this gendered, but when... women's listeners have to wear these like traditionally male gross

wool. They're not even like representational of realistic hair. They're purely symbolic. They don't cover the full head. They seem like they're just full of mildew. They're so strange. That would be such a bummer. as a barrister when you're driving to work and you're like thinking like

Oh, I thought you were thinking they'd go to work in the car. That'd be cool. Like when they kiss their wife goodbye before they leave the house. They're putting it on their raincoat. And she strains it for him like a tie. Yeah, she gives him a kiss and strains his wig. Jeff, can you look up in the book?

if you still have it that I remember the lawyer representing Sean Miller there's a whole thing about how he's this like amazing I want to say they had a nickname for him like the shark or something I remember the book going into detail about like, oh no, they're going to have to go up against Charlie the shark or whatever. The character that I think about when I was watching the movie that I was like, oh, you know that there is.

a good chapter on just describing who this guy is, is the guy with the goatee who's like Harrison Ford's boss at the CA. Marty. Yeah. It's such a distinct character and he gets such. weird emphasis in scenes. He does. Yeah. Where you're like, this has to be like a fan favorite character or something. Yeah. But I, I love that he's also got some dimension to him because they could have easily made him that.

bureaucrat that says no to everything, which he does in the beginning. But then James Earl Jones comes in, you were telling Jack how we, and then ultimately he's just like, I got to protect Jack. Yeah, that's, but he's like, he is kind of. some resistance, but it's in a real way. It's not that thing I hate in movies. He could easily be like, Ryan, get in here. Yeah, or no, we're not going to do it. Yeah.

The yuppie dad dream of a blue sweatshirt and jeans combo in a tan living room. Him in those crisp, perfect dad jeans, which I don't even, you know. I think jeans should be a little more worn down. They look cooler that way. But it reminded me of, I had a friend who went to see Paul Simon at the Hollywood Bowl. And she told me that she had never seen...

So many fresh out of the dresser Saturday night jeans. Those are just the ones Paul Simon was changing into. New ones for every song. But the, like, the, like... uh uh the guy who usually wears a business suit yeah like dressing down one one night of like every three honey did you iron my jeans we're going to the greek and i could just imagine it it's like jeans with a shirt perfectly kind of tucked in and like a brown belt

Yeah. Those jeans are so funny to me. I know. Because they're supposed to like look relaxed and cool. I know. It's the opposite. They're amazing. Richard Harris. You got Richard Harris in this thing that ups any movie. Yeah, that was his year because that was the same summer as Unforgiven. Richard Harris must have felt like a badass. Yeah, he could have gone away. Yeah, right? Yeah.

Was he just somebody who maybe had a difficult reputation, but then he ages into... Yeah, he has a definitely high-energy reputation, and he's told many stories about it, but it's almost like Ford, too, where... Ford's not gone into his period in the wilderness. Harris is coming out of his orca and things like that. kind of shittier movies. And then I think he has his resurgence leading all the way up to Harry Potter. Good for him. Couldn't be happier for that guy's arc of his career. Ooh.

A little torn curtain, maybe not a deliberate reference, but the used bookstore owner. who gets messages communicated to, like putting things in old books. Feels like it. And that bookstore is in Burlington Arcade in...

England and London, I think in Mayfair, I think. And I've mentioned it, I think on this show before where I get my haircut at Boathouse Barbers in Pasadena in the Lake District. There's a replica of the Burlington Arcade and it's so wonderful. Hell yeah. There's just all these little storefronts.

And so they haven't figured out fully what to put in everything. So some things are cool. Some have just are awesome and have been there forever, like a tailor. Then some of them just kind of come and go. And there used to be this great. little men's pop-up star called the bloke. And it was just like English fashions and jazz records and things like that. Cool. But, uh, if you need a good haircut, go see Andy at the Boathouse Barbers. What was it? Did you see the actor?

name? Who was the book? His character name is Dennis Cooley. Oh, okay. I love, I think that was like my favorite character out of Jack Ryan. I just liked his, um, like when he had to go on the, and even that little subplot of like, the spy cam starts smoking. Yeah. All that stuff was so cool. And the electrician like, uh, spy novels, reading Fleming. Your electricity, what does he say? It's what we call in a business, well, well.

I love that. Yeah. And then seeing him run in his like white hat and then going into the desert to try to join. I know. And then they just shoot him so unceremoniously. I guess because he's just a... a link that can connect them. That's what was giving me also PG 13 vibe is like the offscreen violence of him getting shot there and stuff. It just seemed like a, not the choice of an R movie. Um, The bridge sequence, James Earl Jones, the...

Then we see him at the academy after the wife says, don't ever rejoin the CIA, okay, baby? Yeah. I would never want to go to an academy, Matt. It seems like the worst parts... of camp and school put together i know i would be homesick the whole time sir academy

Jeff got back to us here in the streaming. Oh, nice. The defense attorney, Barrister, rose with elegant deliberation. His name was Charles Atkinson. I got Charlie right. More commonly known as Red Charlie, a lawyer with a penchant for radical causes and radical crime. He was supposed to be an embarrassment to the Labour Party which he had served until recently in Parliament Red Charlie was about 30 pounds overweight his wig askew atop a florid

Strangely thin face for the ample frame. Thank you, Jeff. Thank you, Jeff. Yeah. One thing that I thought was kind of a little glossed over was Sean Bean. They were like, don't worry, Jack. The IRA will never come to America. And then he was just like... It cut to Sean Bean just, like, sitting in a car outside the school. Like... I guess that was meant to be, like, a juxtaposition of how wrong they are because I think...

Yeah. Historically, the IRA, they operated in America, but for fundraising, but they never did anything here to my knowledge. And that's why I think they're saying like, this is not your... grandfather's IRA. But he's a known escaped convict. I couldn't believe that he could get on a plane. He's just sitting outside the school. I wanted some funny disguises. He dresses up as the queen.

something or as uh what's his Boromir in Lord of the Rings or what's his name all his characters from other movies and the thing about Sean Bean right is that he his characters always die yeah yeah and he got a scar from Harrison Ford in that boat fight in the end. I read that in Bradley's notes and I thought it was a little like, was Harrison Ford like, hey, I'm not going to be the only scarred actor. I'm not pulling any punches, kid.

Yeah. I got a scar on my chin. You're going to have a scar on your cheek. You know. A lot of actors, when they wrap a film, give a parting gift. Robert Forster is famous for giving his little silver letter openers. I give everyone a scar, even Thora Birch. A parting scar. For Birchie. You want to know how I got these scars? Um, car phones, huh? Yeah.

I only, in 1992, I only knew one family with a car phone and they were cool. I mean, it seemed like, but it was always like, can't use it. I know. It costs too much money. This is only for emergencies. And those car phones in the day were like... They had a cord you would run up.

to a microphone that would go in the visor. There was a girl in like 90 and 91, her parents were super overproductive. She drove a Honda Accord and they made her have a car phone in the car. Whoa. So like if anything happened, she could...

That was the first I'd seen of it. My dad had an early cell phone, but I never saw him use it. Would that have been mid-90s? No, earlier. It would have been mid to late 80s. But it wasn't the like... I don't think it was the briefcase one. I think it was the like... white one with the black rubber antenna, you know, the... Was it for work? Yeah. Yeah, like, so when she was...

Just calling to get test results using her car phone. I was like, these people are low dead. Well, they have to be. Especially if she's a surgeon. He's no slouch himself. He's just a... civil servant lecturer. Yeah, yeah. I mean, he's a... Annapolis, I mean, he's Annapolis officer's school. Oh, she brings home the bacon. Yeah. Yeah. Literally, at the... Surgery after the surgery, they lay out bacon. That's right. And then the doctors could take it home if they want to. Um...

Love the car stunt with the crash. That was very effective. I know. The way that's shot is really, really good. And scary as hell just that he's going to kill a wife and daughter. I mean... But in a movie with very little actual plot impact, it's funny that that happens. And it's like, no, the wife and daughter survive.

and her unborn child yeah that survives too yeah like okay don't worry the riots aren't really and also some kind of weird conservative bet oh yeah don't worry we were able to save the unborn child yeah not that it wouldn't be a tragedy for two people who are trying to have a kid to lose it you know i i recognize that um but maybe the most ridiculous scene is after

The accident where Harrison Ford, I love his tear filled eyes. I love seeing him cry. Love great seeing dad cry. Yeah. But when he says to choke tears. They had to remove her spleen. Pretty ridiculous. You know what? I never questioned that. I, for some reason, I think this is one of those movies that's been grandfathered into me. So yeah.

I'm always a little surprised to hear people don't think it's as good as I do simply because I saw it at such a time when it's like Return of the Jedi. I just... I love it man Don't question and there's probably plenty to question about this movie I mean around this time in May 92 I had the greatest time watching Encino Man, and I will never let anybody talk shit about Encino Man. Oh, I'll let people talk shit about this. It just won't change anything. When...

Jack Ryan's daughter is attacked and now he's in the news. This is like one of those things that happened. Like Mad Men was always really cool because they never let Don Draper become... like a known admin and a public figure and you're like he's in magazines so now you're like okay so this thing that was supposed to happen in the real world is he's

as famous as like John Denver now or so, you know, but like, uh, with this, when he was in the news, I'm like, so Jack Ryan now is one of the most famous. CIA agents that ever lived. He's got bond level status. Yeah. Then it gets a little wonky because then you're like, how does he do anything now without being known as a... Yeah, I can't...

It does seem like this one was taken out of order. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It should have happened. Right, right, right, right. I think Clarence Present was first. I did like the... little um sony tv laptop uh pin the lipstick camera yeah that was good that was good yeah um harrison ford

Just a great actor at flipping through paperwork. Like the tactile-ness of his fingers on paper as he's like reading notes. I know, having a bourbon. Oh, perfect. You know... I love the sequence where he has that memory flash of the woman with the long hair. Like just how it's edited is really cool and how he's replaying events. It felt kind of DePaul-y where it's like replaying events from a different perspective that you experienced it and stuff.

You recall something? The music is even almost kind of Pinot de Grisio. Yeah, yeah. And how he looks into the mirror and it kind of like flashes his memory and stuff. But the... He accidentally walked into a woman's bathroom. Which you and I have both done. Yeah. We've talked about, yeah. But when I did it, they came out and laughed.

That's right. Normally, you would think if you stepped out of a stall and saw a man sitting there, it might be somewhat of a threat. They saw it and you went, oh, cute. Yeah, they're like, my little brother. Oh, he got mixed up. You can go pee in here. It's fine. I am not threatened. We'll leave. You use it. You seem obviously like a child and need help. Love the little baby Jessica at a well reference. That was a nice little... But the... I gotta say, with the Sean Bean villain...

I wish they had added just one more dimension. He's just a psychopath. I agree. And I love Sean Bean. I think he's just a little melodramatic in this. Like you said, if the script had one more dimension, I think they tried to do that with... making it about the brother but if there was I just I think there maybe could have been a better choice of actor for this I think Sean Bean who I do love

He's just a little, maybe a little young and he's kind of doing that young actor clenched jaw thing. Yep. He just needed a moment of like repose or something like some kind of quiet moment where you see. He's not just a psychopath. Yeah, it makes Patrick Bergen and Polly Walker's character too sympathetic because they're always going like, dude, come on. And you're kind of like, yeah, dude, come on. I agree. I agree. Now, look. Oh, yeah. The scene of Molly Malone is where he goes...

I will fucking destroy you. I will make it my business. I will fucking destroy you. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. Also, I like seeing Harrison Ford with actors who were famous before him because he seems to give it a little bit more. Yeah, he's got.

a little something to prove. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Richard Harris is just like, just sitting there. Yeah. Letting it happen. Yep, yep. Less is more. Now, I know I poo-pooed the analyst work. Oh, sorry. Do you notice in that scene, they don't really focus on it. but Samuel L. Jackson and one of the other like kind of, uh,

less analyst, but more almost like field operatives are there in the background to protect him basically. Cause I think they know where they're going. So like you do get the feeling like, wow, this is bold of Harrison Ford to do this in the den of the IRA. Yes.

But they're just standing in the background a little bit, kind of like keeping everybody calm. They got his back? Yeah. Yeah. That's funny. Also, I like that the music there has to be like... an Irish band playing it's like I know my brave Irish laddies yeah I'm sure they like I don't know whatever the knack

like my Sharona just doesn't play there or something. Yeah. I don't know. Have you been to the Tam O'Shanter? I have. They're always playing live bands with that music on there. I mean, it's Scottish, but now I'm more, uh, I do Tam O'Shanter and yeah, Molly Malone. But is there another Irish bar that's on Fairfax that's kind of like kiddie corner to that? Yeah. What is it? It's a venue.

It's a restaurant venue. Yeah. We did the Andy Daly podcast pilot project there. Oh, cool. We actually went to eat at Molly Malone's and then I can't remember. Yeah. It's kind of like in a shamrock square of sorts. I mean, I just called it that. It's not the official name. But I know I was poo-pooing the analyst work, but seeing that old school, like early 90s tech is amazing. Like when they do the satellite raid? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

just like the like putting down pictures of like these beams are here and they do do a good job of making it at least pointing out the difference that it's kind of like revenge porn for some, but that you as a viewer are not supposed to be enjoying this. And even James Earl Jones kind of like wizened acceptance of this kind of thing, but not like full endorsement. And it's like they have two scenes of Ford pitching this and going, I'm not sure, I'm not sure. And finally, James Earl Jones saying,

How can you ever be sure? What I'm hearing is yes, and almost like takes the pressure off him and makes the decision for him. I like those moments because it makes our hero a little more sympathetic. And the pit in my stomach of that kind of like detached. just looking at somebody get blown away through technology that's like across the world. And then noticing a guy next to you is kind of enjoying it. It was good. Yeah. And that's.

This is the first time I noticed. I just thought that those were just like... guys brought in for that, but that's one of his analysts that's doing that. One that you like are otherwise supposed to love this gang of, of analysts. And that's one of those. That is part of his little team, right? Yeah. Yeah. And, and they're like,

there's never in a Eureka moment where they have it. They're like, that's where he is. They're just like, they have to guess and they only have that one moment where they zoom in on the photo and he goes, tits. Which is both funny and, you know, I don't know. That's funny. I mean, the last kind of few notes here. that was ted ramey there right yeah yeah uh i love the little i don't think it's played for comedy but the thing that um if two guys have to look through a microscope

How Harrison Ford has to, like, awkwardly lean back. And he has to take off his glasses. I would have more comedy of that. I know. Where they both try to look through one. Who's the guy who... Who's the British dude that he invites to his house? That's the royal. What did they say? He's like the queen mother's cousin or something? I can't remember. In the book, it's the...

Prince Charles, or at least the Prince of Wales. Oh. Yeah, so it's a lot more high stakes. Yes. Yeah. Bloody hell. But I just love any actor in the Fox family, whether it's... I know, he's so great. Freddie, Edward, or James. Just so British. But the balls on, like, Jack Ryan to, like, invite this guy now to your house. I was trying to figure out, though, if... This is the first time I noticed that maybe...

The guy who's Jeffrey, what his name, the guy who's the traitor, whether he sets this up. Because otherwise they were going to give him this thing. The only time they were going to see Jack Ryan would have been at a public ceremony of... doing this cross. And we never see Ryan say this. We just say that that guy Jeffrey come in and goes, he's otherwise engaged, but wondered if you'd like to join him at his house, thinking like this would be the perfect way to kill him and the royals.

Oh, and so do you think it was like one of those things like, well, tell mom I'm spending the night here. So then he goes back to Jack Ryan and was like, you know, actually he thought it'd be nice to come over to your house. And just hope they don't mention it together. I don't know if that's the case. That's good. I like that. That's cool. That's cool.

Did you, did you, is this your first time seeing this? Did you suspect that guy? Did you, were you? No, I never did either. I know when the scene got mentioned up that there's a leak. I noticed he was in that scene when they're talking about it. And I'm like, I know sometimes they like to play tricks. And you're looking at Alan Armstrong and you're going, that's the guy or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But no, it surprised me. It was a genuine like, hey, it's that guy?

Yeah. That got me. Those helicopters flying over the desert at night is gorgeous. Holy cow. Whisper mode. The... And just like, man, when you're hosting somebody from royalty at your house on a stormy night and the power goes out. You're saying that like we've all done that. Well, I'm just like, man. I love the movie thing, but it's the best. And this, this is post silence of the lambs. So we're, we're really starting to get night vision goggles as a like climax moment and the light.

shining and yeah I noticed that like in in Brantley's notes it said that they started filming November 1991 and I think Silence of the Lambs came out in February 91 So they had a good enough lead time if they wanted to be like, eh. I don't remember if this is in the book, but it does sound like something Clancy would do. If you had to compare the night vision sequences of this versus Silence of the Lambs, Silence of the Lambs blows this out of the water so much.

The ridiculousness of they're wearing night vision glasses, but the audience... can see the most like well-lit room in the world like people are running through shafts of light and stuff and meanwhile people are wearing night vision glasses and be like we can barely see them yeah it's like i think you'd see better if he took off the goggles yeah

I just love that everybody also gets a moment when the royal guy is holding his traitor secretary down. And at one point he screams, even the royal gets in a... Like a rabbit punch to his head. Yes, yes, yes. I just love it when you've got Samuel L. Jackson. Everyone's teaming up. Ann Archer's up there getting the shotgun going, wow, where are the shells, Jack? It's the best. Samuel L. Jackson's with his wife in the scene, too, and he's protecting her. Oh, I know.

the other directoral moment director moment it's not fully believable Ann Archer knocks out I think it's Polly Walker or whatever and Throw our birch pops out from the clothes and goes like, oh, not bad. It's ridiculous. She's like, you've been taking lessons from my friend Macaulay. I noticed a little, this might be the best. child and adult on a rooftop sequence since Halloween 4, Matt. Oh, yeah. I mean, Halloween 4 I think is better, but it's good. Now, this boat chase...

This little end climax here. In Brantley Palmer's notes, they talk about how they had to do reshoots. And Philip Noyce was saying, we really didn't do that much reshooting. The problem was, you're waiting for these two guys to finally... face off with each other. By the way, I really liked that sequence in the beginning after the car bomb attack.

where the hero and the villain are just like right across from each other and like looking at each other. That was great. Oh, yeah. So then they finally come back and meet up again. But he was saying like... It was too far apart. They needed to get them in closer proximity so you could kind of feel the heat of what the two people are fighting for. I mean, I thought that...

Boat sequence was really thrilling. And I love the little rear projection. Yeah. It's like the best rear projection has ever looked, but... it's still rear projection. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it is like that thing of like, they reached as far as they could go with the rear projection in 1992. And then after that, we're like, we'll just do green screen. And a fair amount of it seems shot practically too. Yeah. But the, the original.

ending in the script at least was they were holding each other underwater and it's just a matter of basically who could hold their breath longer and sean bean dies right before harrison ford does and so he's able to let go and come up and i think that was maybe what was not As climactic as they would have liked. The thing that was added was the falling on the... I think so. And in the book, he doesn't die. They arrest him and he's executed three months later.

All the guys. I don't know that they kill any of the three. I remember when Kill Bill came out and Tarantino was doing like... talking about revenge movies and how Hollywood at some point started kind of pulling their punches with revenge movies. And he talked about how him and his buddies, hey, maybe they're at the same theater with your buddies, seeing Patriot games and how they all fell.

ripped off by the the guy falling backwards on the hook thing because in this yeah because Harrison Ford like once this guy fucked with his daughter. Yeah, he should. And his wife is telling him, like, just go out and kill this guy. If you have to rejoin the CIA, that's fine by me. Just get this guy who, like, messed with their daughter. And it does, like... it's this like gotta keep him squeaky clean and likable that like he falls back on the thing and it's almost like Jack Ryan's like oh

I know. And it's like, shouldn't you be jumping up and down? I know. It's a weird... Especially after what he does in the beginning. Yes. You want to see him kill him. Yeah. You want to see him go... There's a blade there. All I have to do is just shove this guy down. It'd be like a... You almost want to see him beat him into submission, hold him with one hand...

take the anchor. Yes. Shove him. Yes. You know, it would have been like a real, like get on your feet and cheer moment. And they do like, get off my plane. Yeah. But like, there's some apprehension. I don't know if it's about like, lead actor you want to still like Jack Ryan or if it's like CIA like it does feel like a reshoot like they hadn't fully thought it out or something yeah yeah I wonder if Ford had a

play in that too. And I got to say too, like the, the architecture of a revenge movie or whatever, it feels like only it's most effective if one person wants the revenge. on another person. The fact that they both wanted revenge with each other, I could see that being dramatic in another movie, but not this movie where things are so black and white.

If I was rooting in some complicated way of like, I want Sean Bean to get it. I get his point. He wants revenge too. And Jack Ryan, but he wants revenge too. But because the heroes and villains are so like black and white. I just kind of want either John Bean to have the revenge and Jack Ryan's just trying to fight it off. But when they both want revenge, it's hard for me to kind of get...

jazzed about who kills who anyway. I guess I didn't really... His revenge comes late in the movie when his daughter and wife are attacked. And I'm still thinking of it when I'm watching the end in terms of we just got to get this guy off our backs more than revenge. But like I said, I have no objective. No, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then that at the end.

There's all this kind of stuff of like, okay, he wants revenge because his little brother's dead. This other guy wants revenge because his daughter almost died. And then this kind of weird ending of like... Now I will have a child. And will it be a boy? I'm not saying anything clear here. It was just this kind of like... Muddy... justice reward system. I just look at it as a quirky way to have a little cliffhanger that has...

It's a moment where we can breathe and just have a fun little, we're back to being a family. I like that ending too. It's just kind of ending on his face. Like that was a quirky way to end an action thriller. Present danger open right with a shot. Of the baby boy, I think. Of his penis. The opening shot is a little baby penis. Rod October. They name him Rod. One thing that's funny when you break it down is this twist at the end where you see...

The whole family and all the Royals and Samuel L. Jackson, everyone gets out of the house. And then the three main baddies go to where the boats are because the guys told them that's where they're going. You see that they have to rappel down. these craggy rock cliff in the pouring rain. They follow, they get in the boat and they follow Ryan out and realize, oh no, the rest of the family's not in there. And then they show the Royals and the family.

On that beach, did they all climb down that thing? Because they're down there. That's true. Yeah. Did they do a little like a... feet on shoulders action. It's kind of like a human ladder to get down there. And then when I was in grad school, there was this great older actor, older at the time, probably early 40s, late 30s.

named John Shepard. And his claim to fame was that he was in Patriot Games. And I was just like, are you kidding? I love this movie. Tell me what you were. I was one of the helicopter pilots. And so it was years before I ever saw this, even the DVD. I think was pan and scan and he, I could never find him and never find him. And it's only recently when I started watching it streaming that you see him and he's the pilot pilot. Yeah. My friend and colleague, we,

co-directed a play together. Oh my God. He was a wonderful guy. That's awesome. Or he directed, I was assistant director. Did he have any fun stories from the last set? I don't think so because, you know, he would have shot everything separate, probably second unit. There was...

never any connection to any of the other actors. What if he was like, you always knew you did a good take because after they called cut, Philip Noyce would come and open mouth kiss you. And say, what's my name? Noyce. That's what you did. And that's what you did, buddy. That's a wrap on Matt's friend. And, you know...

In terms of movie grammar, it's kind of the Chekhov's gun. If a woman mentions that she's pregnant at the beginning, by the end, I just want to see a big old belly. I want to see the pregnant lady. Yeah, Chekhov's first trimester. Yes. Chekhov's first trimester. That's exactly what it says. At least Chekhov's blue line pee test. That's all I got. Me too, me too. On this very cozy day, I thought we might have two visitors that I had yesterday all day. I was out here, two ducks.

Really? And then landed in the pool. Oh, cool. And just stayed all day. Like a man and a woman duck. But they were like a mallard and then the brown. Oh. They were clearly like... On a honeymoon or something. Cording! Vacationing or whatever. He's like, look, baby, I know this great pool in Pasadena. And this guy won't bother. If anything, he'll send out those fried pea snacks. Now, I heard...

That duck, because he knew he was going to be having sex later with this woman duck. He went to a pharmacy to get some condoms. And then the pharmacist said to him, do you want me to put this on your bill? And the duck said, what kind of duck do you think I am? Do you know about duck anatomy?

that their genitals, the male genitals, the cloaca. I know we're getting to the claspers. Is this going to be claspers? No, but that, because ducks are very forceful, and that female ducks have like... dead end vaginal passages so as to like ward off the efficiency of multiple duck they have like fake holes And the duck's cloaca, is that what it's called? It's like corkscrewy and bent. And so when you mentioned a condom for a duck, I was thinking like, is it a silly straw?

With a red light sensor to let you know what the right hole is. Beep, beep, beep, beep. Boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. Cold, cold, warm, warm, hot, hot. Ooh. Ooh, very hot. Ooh. All right, we got to go. I got to go. That was very good. We'll see you next time. Hey, what are we rating this baby? Oh, right. Jesus. Oh, boy. This is a tough one for me. Okay.

Maybe you know, so go ahead. I'll give it a... I'll recap. I'll recap. Yes, yes, yes. Okay. Day of the Jackal, 13 for me, 12 for you. Tinker Tailor... 13 for you, 14 for me. What an asshole. Three days of the Condor, 11 from both of us. Blowout, 12 from me, 13 for you. I'll give this a niner. Niner. I'm going to do...

I'll say 10, but I'm going to do 10.5 just for nostalgia. I love it. I love it. And then next week we wrap up Intrigue We Trust. Yeah, so we better have some new season ideas next week to talk about. That's right. Put on your thinking cap. In the line of fire. for those of you who... Oh, I'm excited. Me too. A comfort favorite. Maybe the most comfy one of this whole season to just like have some popcorn. Yes. It's a perfect...

It's a perfect popcorn movie. It's got action, but it also has romance. It's a movie. It's a movie movie. It's a proper movie that's not a blockbuster and it's not a drawing room, you know, comedy or a chamber drama. It's just a good old fashioned. Star driven. Intrigue. Yes. With the most movie premise of.

the guy who couldn't save Kennedy is now, uh, could, could redeem himself by, uh, if she looks back, she's interested. Oh yeah, that's good. That's good. All right. We'll see you next week, everybody. Bye. Bye. For more Gourley and Rust content,

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