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Welcome to with Gorley and Rust. This is Matt Gorley. And this is uh Paul Rust. Paul, today it's your pick minority report from 2002, the Steven Spielberg, Philip K. Dick. Joint? That's right. Yeah, and uh how many uh Philip K. Dick Adaptations has has the cinema seen these last forty years, Matt. I'd say a plenty. Uh have they done everyone?'Cause how prolific was this and I would like to reiterate that I can't pronunciate prolific or even contextually set it up by saying reiterate.

This is off to a bad start for me, but last time we spoke I missed uh mispronounced uh Prescient prescient and when we're you're talking uh dystopias and you can't pronounce the word prescient prescient. Dude, you you should have your uh podcast license revoked, man. No way, man. No way, I stand by you. The the the precrime of podcasting is gonna come down before I uh you know, that's funny uh to bring that up back,'cause on the way over here, I was I was thinking um, you know, um

I don't know if you've ever reflected on this podcasting wise. I mean like You've you've put in way more hours of podcasting. Uh I mean, you're a king, man, when it comes to the podcasting world. I'm a junkie. I'm a neuroin junkie. Uh you're the John Anderton of of podcasting. Uh But um uh I've thought sometimes how like um Oh, you know, I'll uh I'll come across something I I wrote uh from ten, fifteen years ago.

And nobody's even seen it. But just reading the words, I'm kind of like embarrassed by my thoughts. And I'm like, uh Uh you know, you just feel dumb, or what you thought was cool is lame, or what you thought was smart was dumb. And and I was like That pain that I feel about that, nobody even knows that. Meanwhile, every week it's like two hours of podcasting where I'm just like

Saying those thoughts of global journaling. Yeah. And uh If I allowed myself to think about any of the like emotional stuff or the like chin scratching, like observation, like uh uh uh insights I I I uh fall apart just like cringing so hard. Like I I can't even do you feel this way sometimes? You're like, I can't even reflect on the stuff.

That has been so embarrassing and cringe that I've said and is is recorded and out there. I agree. I I come at it from a more relativistic way. Where I I used to keep a journal from the day I turned 18 to the day I got married every day. And I quit when I got Matt, that's inc Oh my God, that's awesome. Uh it was not pay they were not page returners. Uh but that was uh whatever, eighteen to f to f how old when I got married? Forty three.

Is that right? Yeah, so twenty five years. Oh. And I have occasionally looked back at some of those and it is embarrassing beyond belief because it was a young man in a way different time. So I think of my record as a podcaster. I'm sure I won't feel this way in 10 or 20 years, as kind of saving myself. the record from that version. That's how bad I feel that original stuff was. And I think if my daughter ever gets these journals, I hope they go to my grandkids and not my my kids.

Oh cool. Yes. Uhhuh. Because I think they'll they'll be able to see it more contextually. I'd rather they listen to my podcast than read my journals. You know. Yeah, and I'm sure hey, uh like any kid, you'd rather listen to a podcast than read a book. Yeah. So, you know, that's already given to. Uh I mean my whole point was I wish there was like a pre crime of podcasting where before I say something like vulnerable or something that I think is like smart.

like five dudes come down on ropes and like pull me out. They're like drop the microphone, man. But they would just be like hipster producers who would drop down, you know, roll up in a eighty-four Honda Accord or whatever. I don't know. Yeah, they all come down on ropes and Honda Accords and then when they jump out they're all like holding coffees.

This Philip K. Dick. Yes. I'm not gonna say anything revolutionary here. But do we ever stop to like really appreciate this man as a genius? I know the the the subculture does. Yeah. How many concepts did this guy come up with that were so brilliant. And again, I know I'm not saying anything new, but not only that no speak right on. He extrapolates beyond the concept to like every time you watch a Philip K. Dick story.

You're hooked by the concept. Yes. But then you're double hooked by where he takes it, how he starts. beyond the concept. Like he doesn't it's it's never about the invention of the concept. I mean this kind of is, but it already existed. Yes. They always then use the concept to take the story or he does. To a next level. Yeah. I just don't. I know we hear about him, but we hear about him in the same way like Asimov or something like that. I feel like

he's not appreciated as a literary giant with Hemingway or Faulkner or something like that. Maybe his prose isn't quite to that level, but I think you have to give this guy

His actual I think he's underrated for how much people love him universally, even. Yeah. Oh, right on. Yeah. No. Like uh uh you know, when we talked about when we watched Robocop and it was inspired because the dude uh who wrote Robocop walked on the Blade Runner sets and just like looked around and started thinking about Robocop just from looking at the sets before Blade Runner came out.

Well, there'd be no sets with any of those uh uh or costumes or whatever that guy was look props that he was looking at to think of Robocom if Phil K. Dick hadn't, you know, written uh uh why do androids uh dream of electric Shemp shemp? Electric shampoo. Dream of electric shampoo. It was originally gonna be Electric Shemp. Yeah. Finally, your favorite stooge is electric.

He it's uh but yeah, because he cooked up that book, then that makes the set for this movie and then uh Robocop, you know, you to your point, like uh uh think of how many av uh um I mean there there this might be apocryphal, but I guess he said once that like um when you're writing a a S F Novel, science. San Francisco. Yes. When you're writing a San Francisco Giants book. Fan erotic fanfic erotic fanfiction. Major league baseball fan erotic fanfiction. Um that like every eight hundred words.

You should have like a new you should uh you know, like heighten the premise of like the idea or take the idea to a new place. That's a slippery slope because I've seen movies and books do that and it becomes kind of not elegantly handled and and can ruin it. Yeah, yeah. Oh definitely. Like if you uh keep on adding uh then it becomes the leading tower of um Piece of shit. Piece of shit.

But it's interesting, our wonderful researcher and and we never Can praise the Brantley Palmer enough. But Yeah. Oh yes. I mean, uh, thank you so much. He sent us an interesting link because our final film in this series is Total Recall, which comes out in what, eighty nine, ninety? uh 1990 yeah 1990 but uh This minority had been a long gestating production, and it really began with. a possible sequel to total recall starring Arnold Schwarzenegger. And you could see how that

could happen. It wouldn't be the most elegant fit, but with some retooling, you could see it. Yeah, that uh uh it was like his character in total recall. They would just he was gonna be the John Anderton character. They just, you know, changed the John Anderton to who is he a total recall? Quaid. Yes. Oh right, Quaid. So he has two names. Um what's his like reality name. Quaid, I think. Okay. So it's like the continuing

I mean if that became its own franchise where it's like a series of Philip K. Dick adaptations through the eyes of Quaid. Yeah, and they're just all different concepts. Yeah. A conceptual franchise is a great idea. Yes. You get hero franchises, you get universe franchises, you get anthology franchises. but never the same character, but each movie is its own high concept thing. Yeah. I mean the closest bec uh and it's not that close at all'cause it's not science fiction.

But like diehard kind of plays with that. Like what if a guy kept finding himself in a new high concept action movie? But if you did like he finds himself in a new high concept sci-fi movie, Schwarzenegger goes like فكين أكيييييييييييييييييييييييييييييييييييييييييييييييييييييييييييييييييييييي We'll get next episode. But yeah, how wild is that that like yeah, total recall of okay dick novel, uh it was gonna be and then that they would do a remake of Total Recall.

Starring Colin Farrell of Minority Report. Baby Colin Farrell and Minority Republic. Yeah, baby Farrell Gaga Goo Goo. I know. And ga goo. Yeah, emphasis on the gaga. Whoa, gagaga. Uh yeah, very handsome. Clearly a like um just uh Uh you'd see him, he'd be like, Hey, that's a that's a movie star with undeniable like acting chops. He arrived fully baked and I don't know when I got on the Colin Farrell train, but I did. It wasn't one film.

And the Colin Farrell train just I think people know this is the gaga goo goo choo-choo. Yeah, pardon me, boys. Is this the gaga goo goo choo-choo? Track number Colin. I shouldn't have pressed on. See, this is why you can't elevate every 800 words or eight words in this case. Track number Colin was the most heightening of 800 words I've I've heard. Man, he's great.

and I think it was probably around the time of Miami Vice. I was an a early adopter of loving that movie, and I will brag about that. But then When when you know, people here they know my love for True Detective season two and Colin Farrell in that. Forget about You had feral fever during that. Yeah. What do you like but uh cause I've never sorry, I'm not no I never saw season two. Well

What what was your question? Or do you want me to just comment and shame you? Like yeah. Let me hear your question before I pummel you. Yeah. Uh uh w yeah, w what's Colin Farrell's character? He's a reluctantly Dirty cop, but not at its core at his core. And he's a kind of really sympathetic, tragic figure. I love this season. Most people don't like it. Yeah. I find it to be an incredibly

gripping LA noir set in a city you never go to in LA. It's got all the convolutions and twists and turns of a noir on purpose. I think that's people I think were thrown by some of the twistiness of it. And I don't mean like shyamalan twists, just

Well, elevating and stuff like that. And then it gets metaphysical, but that's true detective's privilege, you know. That's established in the first season. Right, right. I I recommended the phone. What kind of metaphysical? Are there like little uh are there fairies? Yeah. Uh-huh. It's you've seen Ferngully? Yes. Okay. By the way, Fern was a name we really tossed around for my new daughter, but then when we put it together, Fernghorly, you just can't do it. No come on. No you can't.

I really like that name. Yeah. Fergorly. Fern and Glenn? I mean, come on. That's too thematic. Look, this thing got dismissed right away, but just in a perfect world. Uh I'm G gosh, I'm so embarrassed, so embarrassed to admit this. I've never seen Ferngully. I I haven't either. Oh my god. Wait, you haven't seen True Detective and Fern Gully? The big two? And it's weird because a lot of times in theaters they pair them together as a double feature so I could eat I could knock them off by the way.

Ferngru in the middle, because that's where the timeline really like connects. Actually, it would be episode seven to eight. You know why? Because Colin Farrell. Abscons to the like sequoias. Uh uh abscons to sequoias by a feral The gaga googa choo che Where were we?

Oh well, we were just talking about Farrell being in this uh oh because and uh w the the the the remarkable aspect that he was in the total recall remake, yeah, given that this was gonna be a But you know, him being in the oh and just uh how he hit the scene. I think this might have been the first Colin Farrell movie I mean. What is the Vietnam movie he's in? Oh, Tiger beat the motion picture. That's it. That's what yeah. Yeah, no, I yes.

Yes. Right, right. I did not see that. I didn't either. And I remember being a little put off by him in this movie, just like, who's this young buck with all this confidence? Yeah, but that's the character. Oh, it is the character. And he's so good and he backs up the confidence. He's one he's become one of my favorite actors. It's actually kind of like yeah, uh same. I it's kind of like a a a burgeoning rising movie star's dream role'cause he gets to like show two th like

for most of the movie he's like the uh adver antagonist. Yeah. So you're like, oh, this guy's a dick. Yeah. I don't like this dick. And then he gets in the last like forty five minutes or whatever, he's helping the hero. And it feels so good. And it feels so good because it's running it's perfectly now aligning with like

We want John Anderton, Tom Cruise to like get off the hook. And so now this guy who is against him is now helping him. It's yeah, it's the most satisfying part of it. More satisfying than a bureaucrat reverse heel turn. Uh yes, and I'll see you with that with this other movie thing which is like This could be corny. It'll b it'd be corny in any kind of movie that tries to do this. And this movie does it in a way that's like not

Well, it could be corny, but it's fucking awesome, so who cares? I love it anytime I see it, especially when it's well done in minority part. The public unmasking. Oh, the fugitive banquet reveal? Yes. Oh my god, so good. Oh. Excuse me, speaking. Um I mean, uh don't want to bury the lead here. I was thinking about this movie after uh you know, I watched it for the what the fifteenth time since it's come out. I love this movie. Uh every scene. Is a gem. It really is.

And speaking of reveal, I apologize. One of my um blouse buttons was open. Did you notice that? I do declare. I do declare. I wasn't trying to be fresh. This is me like uh an hour and a half later, like back home uh on a country porch with my mama. Mama He had one of his buttons unfastened. You are not to go back to his house again. But Mama, I love him. Of course you would. Drink your lemonade.

I don't care if our father is the southern lawyer. My father is your husband is the southern. Moneys, I'm home. Ho ho ho Daughter. And I promise we'll give you a name one day. Say honeys I'm home again. Honeys I'm home. But it's a very special episode. Honeys, I'm home. Woo. That's not appropriate. Yeah, not appropriate. That's not appropriate.

But now why is the daughter doing the I started doing the southern lawyer voice? Okay, you're right. This movie, I've had an up and down relationship with it. I watched it and I looked on letterbook. I watched it April, I think twenty third of last year. Interesting. On a plane. Oh. After listening to the Rewatchables, I was like, Oh, I'm gonna check out that movie again.

And I wasn't I wasn't charmed. Ooh. This time I was charmed again. Ooh. Why do I go back and forth with this movie? I can't Riz. Riz is short for charisma. Yeah. So no Riz on the plane, Riz when you're on on this rewatch. No Riz on your plain rewatch. Right. But Riz on your recent rewatch. Riz, yeah. Okay. That's when you got the Riz from the movie. Riz Riz reclaimed. Now why do you think the Riz was reclaimed? Uh you were about to say you have some theories.

I'm curious. Well, I had theories why it doesn't work for me. So I think at base level this movie works for me. Sometimes if I'm not in the perfect mood, oh yeah those things can get to me. But I was in really enjoyed watching it this time. My biggest complaint, and I've mentioned this before, and I don't want to start with a nitpick, but I do think it affects this movie. Go on. I wish Spielberg would divorce.

Janusz Kaminsky. This bleach bypass look of this film feels like it dates it more than any 80s Spielberg movie. It made me even think, would this movie have been better made by Spielberg? in the mid eighties, practically With the same story, but done in a way that I feel like this movie's so dated and I I wanna I wanna rip that bleach bypass off. It's not saving private Ryan. And I get it's a noir, but It doesn't it didn't Ah

I wanna love it so much. I I get it, I get it. I I'm sure Janis Kaminsky's a lovely man and he's a brilliant artist. Yeah. But everything post saving Private Ryan or Schindler's list and those two merit the look has that. Look that I wish I just want to watch a normal looking film sometimes. You know what I mean? Does that am I going too far? Have I I I uh no, you're not going too far.

Oh I I don't uh disagree. Yeah. Um you know, uh I I I uh um I'll explain this I'll explain this in terms of like the Kamitsky in a moment, but like, you know, uh growing up it's like Steven Spielberg uh was like the the guy. I mean, like every movie I I loved and uh you know, some movies I love, love, love, like went crazy for. And so uh Uh, there's times where I think Matt, isn't it?

Crazy, isn't it so cool that as movie fans we get to live during the time of probably like the finest Most popular in the history of movies director alive making movies. It's so cool. We get these like gifts still. And uh he makes an amazing movie, continues to do so. It's like really uh just such a uh uh a gift as a as a movie fan. I I love it. Um

So I do wish the some of the Komitsky stuff was more colorful. And I don't know, you know, that could also be Uh uh this is speculation, but just like uh that could be Spielberg's taste. And Kaminsky uh you know has to accommodating yeah, is like it must be. I'm sure Spielberg isn't just letting Kaminsky call the shots. He has to agree with it. Yeah. At the very least. I just feel like um colour

Is so much part of the uh pure cinema experience. Yeah. Like what color says and how it affects you and even on like the tools it gives you as a a a a storyteller. And you can just like color shorthand. You can be like, oh, this means that and that yeah. Yeah. Not just the color, just that diffusion

And they have to then when they go to the precog vision go so far in distorting the image to differentiate it from an image that's already distorted. Yeah. I feel like if you Kaminski the precogs And normalize the rest or at least do a kind of subtle noir feel, because this is kind of a like tech noir. Yeah, I do think it works like as a monochromatic, like yeah modern or future noir thing. And I wonder if it it's about I mean th that quote that was in Brantley uh notes that was like

Spielberg wanted to make it sort of like the dirtiest yeah looking movie he's done. So this is like Grunge Spielberg. I guess. Spielberg at a planet shirt. Mogwai Spielberg, like Mike You mean the band, not the creature. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Edge rock, not alt rock. What do you call that? Like Mogwire or like all the music Michael Mann uses in his movies. Like uh that post rock

What is it? Yeah, m they well Mogwai doesn't Mogwai do do the cover of I Can Feel It Coming in the Air Tonight for the Miami Vice? Okay. Yes. Yeah. God awful. Yeah, yeah. Especially when you got that Phil Collins just sitting there. Yeah, come on. Don't let f nobody puts Phil in the corner. No. Nobody puts Phil in the Collins. Uh uh w why were we saying the the the oh oh oh so this looks grungy uh and so maybe it it

I hear you. Uh I love this movie and I do wish it looked differently, which is like a uh I'm conflicted about it. Like, how could I love a movie so much and then wish it looked different? Different I mean it all matches up. It's like the outdoor effect shots. there's a a grayness to them that kind of connects everything. So maybe it's it also comes from an effects. Because I think the effects like uh hold up remarkably well. I mean twenty three

four years out from when this movie came out. Like the hover pods across the like skyline of DC and stuff and them landing that stuff. The whatever the coloring or whatever can sometimes take away the magic of like uh I don't know. Yeah. But uh Yeah. That's enough on that. I I had to get that off my chest because I I love the movie. Yes, yeah, me too. It's such a good thriller twist. There are some times where you're just like

Just it just edges up to like, Am I gonna buy this? But then it it pull it gets ya. It pulls you back in. You know what? It's the closest uh and we're huge uh Jonesy fans here, fans of the Anna Jones movies. I think outside of um what was that movie with the animated character? Tintin. Tintin. Yeah. Um Which hey, let's not even count that'cause it's not human beings, you know, it's not like flesh and blood.

I think my neuro report is the closest to an Indiana Jones movie that wasn't Indiana Jones that uh Spielberg ever made. Like Jurassic Park is like Jaws Code it like the sequences are kind of based on like what's scary about Jaws is like scary about dinosaurs. But I can't think of outside of Indiana Jones him having adventure sequences and action sequences. You don't think Lincoln?

Well the opening of Lincolnshire is a big action sequence where he's uh I've never seen it. Well, the beginning is like there's like a a a circus fire. And and Abraham Lincoln swings in on a trapeze. And he finds his stovepipe hat. Yeah, and he's like, Who knocked this off my fucking head? Then he puts it on. And then you see like a bearded woman behind him and she was like, I did Oh, I like that beard. Could I borrow that? Lincoln's insane. He thinks he can borrow a beard.

The chase scene between Colin Farrell through the factory, the music is so Indiana Jones. Yes. And that whole uh uh setup of like I mean it's Temple of Doom. Two dudes are like fist fighting while this like assembly track or whatever is like moving along. And then Indiana Jones uh like Oh just when you thought it could get worse it does. So like when he falls and then You're like, Oh, it's pretty bad to be on assembly track right now.

It's pretty bad when they start putting gear around like it's so fun. And then you're right, the music is just like exactly from and then w at the end with the Ann Lively drowning, it's like Bernard Herman music. Yes. A real pastiche to this movie. I know, I know. And there's some lovely ET AI sort of whatever that kind of gentle glowing kind of music, like in the sequence where

Um, Agatha tells the parents what the boy would be is like very E.T. feeling or like close encounters and stuff. But yeah, when the car starts driving off the assembly line. And it's like skinny away while the villain like runs and stops and like shakes his fists and stuff. I mean like it's like he should be like Jonathan Uh What's interesting though, I did notice like, oh, this is what distinguishes

Maybe not Minority Report from Indiana Jones, but uh Tom Cruise from Harrison Ford. Or the characters of Indiana Jones and John Anderton, but Uh Tom Cruise during all those sequences is like a badass. Yeah. Like he's like grimacine and like is like his attitude is sort of like

Stop throwing this shit at me, you know, or something like that. And then when the car like drives away from Colin Farrell, he kind of like, you know, looks up and he's like Scowling to be like, uh uh, this is the last time you fuck with The king or whatever, you know, and then it drives off. If it was Harrison Ford as Indiana Jones, he would look up and like

grinned I know and shrug about like how did I get out of this jam this time? I I think it's a better movie. I think Tom Cruise is great in this, but I don't buy him as a drug addict. at all. Mm-hmm. And I feel you know, it's not like it has to be the original story where it's like a chubby fifty eight year old man or whatever. Right. That was originally how they but a little bit more Bruce Willis and Die Hard, Harrison Ford skewing that way would work better for me. Yes. He's good.

And you say m Bruce Willis is good. I mean, uh this sometimes looks kinda twelve monkeys-ish, like the uh This sort of like wide scope stuff of like when she has the tubes out of her head and stuff, but It'd be too much to see Bruce Wills do it again, but I would like to he'd be good.

I mean the I I meant that in as an example, but I feel like Bruce Willis in this would be too knowing, especially at this time. Yeah, you'd want him to be too funny and who would be. Oh, also the other Indiana Jones stuff is what's funny, is like Yeah. The jetpack grilling the burgers and falling into the yoga class and stuff. That's all like Idiot Jones, like really funny. And does it fit in this movie? Because Spielberg can't resist grilling the burgers and the jazz saxophone kid.

He can't resist those little they're in all his movies. They're almost his trademark in a way of busting in. Well, first you cut to the person doing something. You cut away from an action sequence to someone just Normal doing something. Then it bugs. You're making me smile. I know. I love it too, but

It felt a little out of place for the first time. When I saw the first time I saw it in theaters and those burgers got grilled, I squealed. I continue to squeal. I love it. I love the burgers getting grilled. I understand how it's uh it's a the uh pigeon.

It's the moon rager thing. Yeah, it's not that egregious. Who would you dreamcast in this movie for Anderson? I feel like I interrupted you though when I said this is like an Ianna Jones and it's fun and uh uh No, I think I I think I was just gonna say that. Oh okay. Yeah. Um who would I cast? Um'cause I think you c I think there's someone a little the the Dianis Kaminsky and Cruz is great.

But I think you can do better. Those are my two kind of Maybe those comic sands don't quite land those moments don't land because of Cruise. I think so. Because like if it's too self serious. Yeah. Because if Indiana Jones had fallen into the yoga class. Even Colin Farrell, I think. Yes, yeah. He'd like Flirt with one of them. You know? But Colin Farrell too. I mean Colin Farrell, uh it's interesting with uh uh your answer the question about recasting because a normal Or normally, conventionally

The adversary, even if it doesn't turn out to be the real bad guy, Colin Farrell, that character wouldn't look so much like Tom Cruise. Interesting. Isn't that interesting? Well, Spielberg does have a little bit of a dose of that who's the hottest actor I can use right now. But especially in Saving Private Ryan, where they clearly just took an agent's package deal for all the up and coming young actors and said like don't even shop outside this agency just

Pull them all in right here. Yeah. Diesel, Giovanni, Rubisi, all these people. Yeah. Well, I re-watched it recently. Did you know? Uh Mark Paul Gosseler, Mario Lopez, Dustin Diamond, they're all a part of a platoon that goes by. Yeah. Really?

Like all the boys from Save by the Bell, that's how like trendy the cat I'm kidding. I know you're kidding. I was going along with you. What that's a joke, but what is true Is that there, you know, there is wax, the women's auxiliary corps, and there's a platoon of the girls from the craft that walked by. That's true, and And um Yeah, don't they help out in the final battle by kind of like casting a a spell? Uh huh. They're like, we're the craft.

We're the craft. Hello. Hello, Normandy. We're the craft. Well, those dames be they sirens? Was ist los mit den Majens? Zip let's dropping Z guns. Let's all d yeah, man, let's drop Z guns. They gotta r those crowds got a good idea. They all like drop their then they run to her. And she's uh That they're a b uh they l those soldiers they're crazy about babes. Okay. Let's get serious. Yeah, let's get Yahoo. Um

Um oh well so you know this uh wanting to be a d a dirty looking movie. I have a um a fun little um theory. This better be fun. And it better be Well, yeah. It better not be literal. I think Spielberg has a sci-fi movie for each decade since he started making movies, and each one. Of course, represents its time. Let me okay, let me go through these. So close encounters. 70s, yep. E.T. 80s, yep. I'm gonna jump ahead to two thousands minority report. Yep.

And minority report is in a run of three uh of him doing three sci-fi movies in five years, AI, Minority Report, Minority Report, and War of the World. But I'd say So maybe not War of the Worlds, but either minority report or AI are pretty big like sci-fi movies of that decade. This one more fits the time because the other one was Spielberg. I mean Kubrick's Baby. This isn't what am I missing in the nineties?

Sci-fi in the nineties, Spielberg. It i you wouldn't maybe necessarily think it's a sci-fi movie, but the premise is science fiction. It's it was a big, big movie in the nineties uh that he made. Very big, Tyrannosaurus sized big Jurassic Park. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that a stretch by saying it's sci-fi? No. Okay, okay. Uh and then the teens

Ready Player One. Ready Player One. And now this summer. Yeah. And it does seem like each I'm I'm not I won't belabor it. Yeah. The listeners can reflect. Yeah. But think about like all those movies are kind of about whatever the concerns were. Or or whatever the Yeah, Clarkson Counters is yeah, kind of like the family and and a young

younger adult man's search for or obsession. Yeah, it's like uh and it's this Watergate sort of thing of like there's a big cover up the government's doing. And yeah, whatever Richard Dreyfus is is basically like I'm this hippie who's now found myself in family life, like an identity crisis of like whatever. Right. Um, you know, oh, I'm a dad. I'm not a yeah easy writer, man. That's interesting. But uh yeah, and then disclosure day does seem to be about like truth.

And uh what'd you think of that trailer? Oh I g I got so stoked. Yeah. Yeah. Um I'm I'm not skeptical, but uh something about it didn't grab me, but I love it. What was something that didn't like uh that's probably Janus Kametsky. But you know who I really love? Josh Charles. He's so good in everything I see. Josh Charles. Is that his name? No, Josh I don't know who uh but Josh Charles is that guy from uh who who who who who uh

It's like an actor from the nineties who's now in like a new TV show where he's The guy from Dead Poet Society? Yeah. Uh yes. But Josh Who am I thinking of? He's in everything. Wake up dead man. Yeah, yeah. I know he I don't know his but I don't Josh O'Charles. I'm c Josh O'Connor. Josh O'Connor. You you had it. And I was thinking Charles'cause he played Prince Charles in the crown. Well, uh m bloody hell.

Did how how many times did he say that as Prince Charles? Bloody hell. He was very salty. Oh, that's how we do dude. Here's here's the hottest take you're gonna hear this side of the m Westissippi. I think Josh O'Connor would make a decent James. Matty Matty. And that's from a Bond fan, folks. Yes. That's from a Bond fan. He's a gentler type. Uh-huh. But he's such a good actor. You wanna yeah, you won a great actor. That's what Daniel Craig kind of proved. A boy from the theater. Right.

Not from some modeling agency. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't think people want a brooding James Bond right now. Who do you think it'll be? They're getting Denny Villeneuve, so it's gonna be a certain amount of brood. Yeah, I d I can't imagine him doing an an an anti brood. The only thing I've heard and nothing everything is rumor at this point was that an unknown

w would be the direction that he might go, which I think is good. I have an actor I'd really like to see. I can imagine Joe Pesci. For some it might be uh controversial. Who? Matt Rife. I was thinking Chris Delia. 감사합니다. The name is Dahlia. Chris, do they uh they changed the name? It's just they're like this guy's so cool. I know, I know, wouldn't wanna be uh That's what you're thinking. 'Cause I'm Grisdalia.

And that rise with wanna be ya? Is that what you're saying? Chris Delia wanna see ya wanna be ya. Sorry, see ya, Dalia don't wanna be ya. Not right now. Not the best. Don't wanna be a Dalia is what you're saying. Dalia would wanna be ya. Yeah. Come on, you don't think Dolia wanna be a young being himself, I think, even under the circumstances. Under the circumstances. He's gonna be in the canceled expendables movie I've talked about, where all some Russian financier makes a movie of

of an action movie with a bunch of cancelled actors. Yes. RV Hammer, Chris Dalia. Matt Rye, if he's not canceled. Well it'll be like sort of uh uh uh a a final punctuation mark on him being part of an action squad and in a movie where he got cancelled out of and replaced by Tigdataro. That's right. So in a weird world you could actually say it was his character that he was pulled out of and now he's been put on this team of of cancelled.

Uh I mean Mel Gibson's the leader, right? Mel Gibson's in it. What if the villains what if the villains are like semi canceled? You're like, you're making us look bad. It's like Mel Gibson is like the head of the semi-cancel guy. He's like, just go away. I think you have to He's like, I don't think you could get Mel Gibson because he's so So soft like medium canceled, not soft canceled, medium canceled, that he would need to separate himself from the canceled.

He would be acknowledging that he was canceled. He does but he doesn't want to. Yes. Right, right, right, right. You gotta find somebody who's like uh'cause you've got that gray zone of like Shia LaBeouf who's right sort of You know what it has to be? It has to be somebody who is essentially um uh uh uh unemployable. Yeah. The unemployables. But some actor who like a project is just like, we can't do this because it would so be so radioactive, it would hobble.

the movie. Mel Gibson I don't think is that. You're right. So he's on a level that's not like the radioactive talking about excusing any of his Misdeeds. No, it's what the how the in the machine, the perception, yeah. But it has to be someone that's unemployable, uninsurable, like a Kevin Spacey, Army Hammer.

Don't you want to see this? Of course. Of course I do. You know uh Army Hammer had those cannibal rumors about him. That's why he got cancelled, right? Uh Army Hammer were like arm me hungry. I've said that I think before, but uh Army, leggy, whatever, me hungry. Arm me ham err slide me up err ring that dinner bell arm me ham err that sounds like a great trio to me Oh boy. Um the uh uh um Oh also the w uh before we jump in the um Yeah.

I like the note. I remember when this movie came out and it was in Brantley's notes about how they put together like a think tank of futurists to come up with ideas. I thought that was really cool. Yeah. I'm gonna change glasses'cause I I don't have progressives in these. Oh, sure.

It's weird that it doesn't though that think tank of futurists didn't come up with the three shells. Well, it already already been they probably came yes, they reached that conclusion are like, Oh, but Demolition Man already did it. There there's The discovery of gravity, general relativity, and the three shelves for the bathroom. The big three had already been invented by the time this movie

Council was convened, so they didn't need to reinvent the wheel. Um like I think this uh uh you know, every seed's a gem and the the the payoffs of this movie are so uh great. I mean it's it's a really fantastic uh screenplay, you know, and great writing. Uh

It to watch it against Demolition Man, where I was like, remember they set up the idea that like Demolition Man's daughter is still alive and then he's just like, I don't want to meet her. It's like In a movie like Minority Report, that would be like a huge thread about like the

character, you know? That's right. Like Tom Cruise wants to know who murdered his son in this. And it's like his entire drive and like he gets the biggest dramatic moment for him and the entire movie when he like puts down the gun and won't shoot the guy. And Sylvester Stallone's character is like, yeah, I'm not gonna visit that bitch. She was a what? She was a lot of trouble.

I think there's some speculation that Sandra Bullock was supposed to be his daughter. Yeah, I saw that written somewhere, but Maybe they added the sex scene because they wanted a sex scene and then they're like, uh oh, well that means we have to drop the daughter. So let's just say he's But that's too or maybe they wanted to push it towards interest. Interest? Incest. I'm interested. Show me that cut. Oh boy. Okay. The DreamWorks logo, Matt. Let's talk about it.

Is this an ear this is like early when did the DreamWorks logo for what's the first DreamWorks film? I think it's You I guarantee you know this. I forget the title, but it's that George Clooney Nick uh movie. Nick not Peacekeeper. Peacekeeper. Is it? Yeah. I've never seen that. And then maybe Mouse Hunt. Like one or the yeah. Yeah. Um Um i So Matt, correct me if I'm thongs. But I don't think we've ever talked about a DreamWorks movie. Is that right?

I was watching with my daughter the Mike Myers Cat in the Hat movie. Uh-huh. And it has an Dr. Seustal animated DreamWorks logo. Okay. But that movie could have been in dystopia now. That is a highly dystopian movie. Have you seen it? Yes, Matt, you're right. It is better. I mean, I actually wondered if I know I suggested this movie. It doesn't.

Check off all the boxes of dystopia. Like oh it fits, but I see what you're saying. Yeah, I mean uh things look so nice. Like I think that's partly it. Like the alleyway and the shitty apartment, that's kind of dystopian. Yeah. But like the houses are very nice. Yeah. I think and I wondered if this was maybe the criteria for like any dystopian movie we watched. It seems like there it hinges on

Some type of personal freedom has been like taken away. That's like what's a a dystopia really is. It's not like looks how it looks or class necessarily, it's like this is dystopian in the in and I mean this seriously, in the same way that Demolition Man is dystopian. It has the facade of utopia. And yes, yes, yes. But that's a lie, and it truly is dystopian. At its core.

Right, right. And like the bad guy in Demolition Man, uh the bad guy in uh minority report, it's two elder stateman statesman actors who are the face of like this is a good thing we're doing. And uh they're actually Mike Rasty, we it seems like utopia. We have perfect government, the perfect leader. But is there something underneath that's wrong? I can't put my finger on it.

I know. Uh has it taken, you know, what seven uh five of these movies we've watched, I guess. Uh but but like when we're recording this, it is uh Early 2020s. Early dystopia. And I think people would use the term w for what they're seeing as dystopian. It's interesting. Uh the ugliest ugliest stuff I've seen in my entire life. So it's interesting watching these movies. I mean it almost seems like this like conversation is like too uh corny. It's sh should have been the first thing we

said was like, isn't it interesting that we're watching? But it's all too obvious. I don't mean it. Exactly. I know. That's why we have it. Everybody knows it. Yes. Um uh but you know, to promote something on Instagram. for our podcast where it's like dystopia now and I'm like, oh yeah. But it for our podcast uh movie series, not I'm not declaring this. Although I know, I know, I know. On a dystopian social media engine too. But the um I only bring it up mainly to say

When we watch these movies, you're right. Dystopia doesn't quite look like this in the in dystopian movies. The closest it is is sort of like Um escape from New York, but that's where all the prisoners live. It's not like where most people. have to experience that reality. In fact, their life outside of the jail cell, the prison and in Escape from New York is probably more utopia-ish. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's fascinating. Uh. Yeah, I mean uh uh the stuff uh seems um

Yeah. Well, cause I think we could make the same case for total recall too. Mm-hmm. Is it dystopian? Because they're using this technology to have a utopia, but it's also like a self-styled utopia with conflict and stuff like that. Yeah, total recall see, if I remember correctly, seems to suggest like Because there's like those lower Yeah yeah underground people living same with Demolition Man. Yes. Yeah.

I mean, Demolitions Man figures prints are all over that like underground community of like ravaged uh people who are actually the real people we root for like Uh total recall seems to be, yeah, like they're the um they're the underclass and like snow piercer, you know, those people. And you want them to like rise up to the stuff. I mean, there's a yeah, a dystopian film for sure. That's right. That's right. Um and

uh like you said, the cat in the hat movie is very dystopian. It's really like the neighborhood, everything about he even the cat in the hat is like I know he's supposed to be kind of mischievous, but he's like downright What's the word um sociopathic at times? Yeah, it's it's like a ugly, like mean spirited character. I watched it, not disinterested. But not interested in the right way. Morbid fascination, yeah. That's how I watched it. Of course. I mean, I guess it's uh like uh

is what it's for. But Mike Myers, man, his mugging and it just he he lands a couple of things pretty well, but Yeah. Oh, it's tough. It's tough. I like his uh characters like Beetlejuice ability to like jump into a like a sketch for a boat like that stuff is really fun. Infomercial is infomercial, yes. Yeah. And I can tell he forced that on the production. Any chance he can do a north country English accent? Yeah. That is Yes, yes, yes. Uh I notice Mike Myers characters, all the mega ones.

all the ones that have starred in movies, including Wayne Campbell, Austin Powers, The Cat in the Hat, and The Love Guru, they're Tick, let's say. Is they laugh at the joke they just said. That's not even a tick, that's every character he does.

Everything. Imagine the like watching what it's six movies total of that. Like I mean why everyone's I do not complain. I actually really like it. I really like it. This is we rarely have like an age difference thing. I think I was just like Yeah, I couldn't I couldn't always

Get on board. And then later I chilled out with all that. And I love Austin Powers. I really want to show Glenn Austin Powers. Oh, I showed her Roger Rabbit. Remember we talked about that? Oh yeah, yeah. Did we talk about that on mic or off mic? I think we talked about it on mic. She loved it. Oh, that's great. And yet she couldn't get past the fact that we're not going to be able to

All day. Why to baby an old man? Why to baby the old man? I mean, that's the big question of the movie. Yeah. Why why Jessica Rabbit scary? Well my mom uh she uh she points out after I saw Roger Rabbit. Uh every I like to draw. I mean I spent all my uh childhood drawing pictures, loving drawing, draw, draw, draw. And then after I saw Roger Rabbit, every woman in gigantic boobs. Oh, that's so great. I hate to think what your art was like after boogie nights.

Wait a minute, why does Bart Simpson have such a long

Schlong. That's what Matt Grain said when I handed him my joy to Parts Simpson. Look, we're hiring artists, but there's just One problem. The sharing uh childhood memories. I have one that's related to my order report that I wanted to share. Childhood isn't quite right'cause I guess I saw it in college, but uh it happened in my hometown. So it's a hometown memory. Okay. Uh this is Paul Russ's hometown memories. Play like the country crock butter theme was it. Uh

Uh w saw this opening weekend, flipped out about it, loved it. Um Everybody in my town was seeing it. L of Lamar's Iowa. Um Uh I go and I visit a friend whose dad is really into computers. I mean, this was the first house I knew that had the internet.

was this house. Two thousand two? At that time or no, no, no. In like nineteen ninety four, ninety five it was like, oh my gosh, this house has the internet. I mean it was my friends. Right. Uh um sometimes I forget the internet was around that early. And yeah, I noticed sometimes people go, this was just the start of the internet and it's like two thousand three and like my first internet in ninety six, my first computer in ninety six.

The first first time I went on it was at a computer, but at a computer lab at like a tech camp on summer ninety five. Wow. I remember looking up pulp fiction stuff. And Simpson stuff. Yeah. Those two. Yeah. Yeah. Um It's all bare naked ladies for me. Not not the porn, I mean the band. I bet I could imagine that fan base has had it was pretty early adopters of the internet. Of the news groups. Yes. Oh yeah. So what would you you go on and they'd be like uh lyric analysis? Hell yeah man!

Honestly, internet and it's like most wholesome and cutest. Uh was that brief bootleg trading. I did a little bootleg trading. Ooh, of what? Of uh like live performances of bare naked ladies. Yeah. Is this one of those things that I should have a pre crog come in and stop me from saying? I mean, my already within my first stretch of four to five days using the internet at this computer lab.

by day four or five at in a university library. I'm typing in Playboy.com. Yeah. Just sitting there like slowly watching like Jessic Rabbit style boobs. I think I think my f first discovery was it it must have been a fake. Cheryl Crow nude. Wait a minute. You don't think the character minority report, Leo Crow, is related at all to Cheryl Crow, do you? Oh wow. That would explain nothing but a lot.

I thought you were gonna say that would explain you forgot about this part. When he gets shot and he goes out of the window, you can hear him saying, I'm leaving skyscraper. What's that a spoofo? Leaving Las Vegas. Okay, that's really good. Listen, my first note when we get into this movie Yes. This is twenty fifth we didn't talk about the dreamers What's there to say? Well then what what's up with that one? It's a kid Come on, it's a little bit much. I do like though with this treatment of it.

Yeah. Um it is too much and I don't like it. I don't like the logo. I don't love it either. I I like it in theory and I get it in theory, but in practice every time it's a little It's suggests too much of a tone that maybe not all DreamWorks movies are gonna have, right? I think it should I wanna see some fucking lasers, man. I think it should be the kid in the moon just pissing off the moon into Calvin style, Calvin and Hop style. Onto all the other logos.

Yeah. Warner Brothers in Universal. You just see like a Piscain Universal Globe. And it's spitting, so it's like P uh sprinkles are coming off the globe as it spins. Yeah, that should be what the Oh, that would have been so badass if the DreamWorks kid was pissing on all the other movie logos. What would it did DreamWorks do old school or something? I mean, that'd be like a great

for old school, like to be like Dreamworks guy like pisses on like other logos. Do you think the DreamWorks kid has a name? I'll bet you it's Silas. What if we found out at the very end? It was Sammy Fableman. I thought you were gonna say Hagar. Well, okay. What if it was S young Sammy Hagar? That would explain like the old timiness of it, because it was Hagar in his youth.

Uh but um I just wanted to say I like the treatment of using the water that he put fishes out of continues on a water ripple of the twentieth century Fox logo. Um And then that's like pre-cog water. Right. Pre-cog water, the grossest water of all time. Yeah, man. Oh, dude, dude, dude, dude. Don't drink the pre-cog water, man. Come on. Come over here. I'm into it. I'm into it. I'd pay a lot for a liter of this chip.

My taxes pay for this pre cod water. I'm gonna drink it. Um, and also uh twentieth century fox logo. This is the only movie Steven Spielberg has ever done with twentieth century Fox. Yeah. Um is that because they had the right? Yeah, I think it must have begun with uh as a twentieth century fox production or something. Um Okay, okay, yes. First note after all the um dreamworks. Okay.

It's nineteen fifty four. I mean sorry, twenty fifty-four. Yeah. Tom Cruise is a kid right now. That's right. But I have looked for those merry-go-rounds. They do not exist now. Those classic I mean, someone's gonna obviously someone's gonna go, I have a park by me and you know Yeah, but you know what? Moose Jau, Saskatchewan. Okay, we don't wanna hear about your shitty ass men.

But they don't make them anymore'cause they're like what? They're like rubberized with fins now. Yeah. I and I was thinking about that recently at a park going, you don't see those. All old school playgrounds have pretty much been displaced by the safe ones now, the cork rubber ground one. Yeah. At least here in California. I can only speak to California, but no, I can speak to Maryland too. Yeah, yeah. No, I think they're

And Marilyn's very close to DC. And it sounds like Merry Goran. Yes. This is a Mary go gone. But it is, you essentially got DC too there. Like Yeah, of course.'Cause it's like if if somebody has to replace a merry go round, you're right. Nobody replaces it with a old metal one. They do like um I lied when I said I only had two grips against this film. This is the big one. I mean the uh uh um I noticed there were certain style moments in this movie that was like when he went to Gap.

A woman was dressed sort of in all the clothes was kind of like and this was also maybe the style of Gap at the time, was kind of like post war, late forties, fifties, like a woman kinda had her head and hair in a scarf and a skirt and stuff. maybe like exactly one hundred years after nineteen fifty four, the style like we'll find out styles like

You know, they say t styles come back every like ten, fifteen years or twenty years, like this or thirty years, this is every a hundred years. Like uh it's the like third revolution of the forties, fifties style aesthetic? Yeah, like we are we don't even know it, but we're actually living in a nineteen twenties aesthetic. Well Right now?

I mean, could the has and have nots be any greater, my friend? Well, yeah, certainly culturally. Yeah. We're we gotta be on the precipice of some some depression or something's coming. Yeah. I mean, I don't oh God. The it the precipice that we're on is as great as the precipice as the RV on the poster for RV. That's the Best way you could describe something ever. They should change. The words RV on the RV poster to these times, bitch. These times, bitch.

I I when I was talking about the score being very pastiche, I forgot about how not prevalent but the wailing woman. thing trope is used. She shows up and it's i i it's like the like Agatha's cries. It is, but you go from Wailing Woman to Indy to E. T. To Bernard Herman and then a beautiful credits piece. I love that. Yeah. But it is it's the most I would say the most uh what's the

frenetic of John Williams scores of just styles, you know. Yeah. Maybe I mean maybe the movie is sort of like it's the most kind of uh fracture genre like you get genre Bending or or showing uh. Cross pollination or or something like that. Thriller, sci-fi. Yeah,'cause there's so many things that take from just like classic detective noir books and movies. Like I love all the characters are like straight out of like Maltese Falcon, you know? So like Tim Blake Nelson's character is like the like

I'm a very colorful character in the archives. And then like the guy who's uh runs the virtua uh yeah virtual Rufus. uh that he's like, whatever is like the f uh a Peter Lorry like care uh character in the underworld that you have to go and talk to to get like info and stuff. I also love, you know, the Spielberg like touch in this. As dark as it goes, there's some parts that are like queasy.

All the underworld stuff is like wholesome. It's very sweet. Peter Stormare, has that guy ever, ever played a normal human being? Like a a nice dad. Just someone who isn't dripping with a substance. And like one step from eating you. Or or like a sexually assaulting him or himself or someone else or has there ever been a character that has it of his that hasn't been like congested? Like all of his characters have some sort of congestion going on. What?

I can't think of a single role he's ever played that was a like You're right. have you trouble even thinking of him playing just a straightforward good person, even if they're weird. Cause in this one, he's fairly good, but he has a checkered past. Right. But he seems reformed'cause he could have done something. Yep. But he didn't. Can anyone in the in the live screen by the way, you're listening to with Gorley and Russ and you can get oh we're not even gonna bother, but

Live streamers, screamers. Yeah, on the Patreon uh dot com slash uh with Gordley and Russ, you can sign up for the level that gets you the live scream with let us know live screamers. Has Peter Stormare ever played A semi normal person. Um Yeah, just we'll settle for semi-normal. Nothing in a Cohen Brothers comes to mind. That's true, yeah. He's always a s a straight up weirdo. I like uh I love that uh storm error sequence.

There's other things in contention that but that might be like my favorite five minutes, six minutes of this movie. Um the thing I was like feeling watching it is like how Tom Cruise is like reduced to like A little baby, or like a kid in that scene. And like it's all like child nightmares. It's like going to the dentist. having it seems like they're a mom and dad to like Tom Cruise. Yeah.

where you you have no control over like what they're doing. And then she's like sexual with him in a like in a bizarre way. And then he is tasting bad food and like sour milk. Oh yeah. It is like all like weird uh infancy stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. It got colic in that milk. Cow lick. Uh cowl hey cowl lick. Let's take a pea break. Uh yeah, my murder balls are full of yellow, not red. That's just a uh My murder ball is yellow right now. Okay. That means someone's just gonna hurt some

Well, I guess that's in the original story. It wasn't just murder, it was all crime. That's right. I'd like to read I've never read any Philip K. Dick. That'd be fun. Um the uh um yeah, like petty theft could have its own like little marble. Yeah. Just a tiny little bit. Yeah, it goes down it's like and then you have to get like a a a jeweler's loop to like look at the name carefully and it's like, oh no.

It's Snoopy. Come on. Wouldn't it be crazy if Snoopy was a pickpocket? But if you're Hitler or Stalin, you get the Raiders Boulder. Yes, it'll later be revealed. Yeah. That the Boulder Raiders of Lost Arc was Stalin's Bolt Stalin's murder bolt. It was yeah, Belloc's. It says Rene Belloc on it. All right, we gotta pee. Why choose a sleep number smartbed? Can I make my sight softer? Can I make my sight firmer? Can we sleep cooler?

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We're back everybody. We're back. I have a question. Yes. Oh, sorry. No, no, no. I think yours will probably be better. Mine's not very good. No, no, go. Go. What's the shoe brand in Back to the Future? Nike? It is? Yeah. Oh, so this is Rebot. So this is feels like the franchise wars of who's Who's gonna taco bell the other? Every shoe is rebached now. That's what a character Sandra Bullock should have said. I know. Every shoe is rebached now. Yeah.

I'm wearing uh what size Reeboks do you wear? It just becomes like Kleenex or Crescent Wrench. I'm actually shocked that they would do Nike or Reebox and any uh sort of future'cause in Back to the Future Part two, there are future Nikes, those like yeah, lace up shoes. When we all know the future of shoes is Brooks. It's the LA gear. It's the uh I'm trying to think of uh shitty shoes I once wore. Uh my first pair of tennis shoes, like

Hey, I feel cool wearing these like shoes was Brooks. Brooks. Wow. So how cool would that be? And in minority report, like Tom Coose is like, where are my Brooks? Where are my floorshams? Well, what's a gumshoe? He's a gumshoe. What's a gumshoe in the future? Uh uh uh It would be like hush puppies or what do you call them, wallabies.

Dum wallabies. Yeah. Gum shoes. You know George Smiley would literally wear uh like gum shoe chuck a boots for because The reason The detective is called a gum shoes'cause he would wear shoes with gum soles so that you couldn't hear them snooping around. Matt, I never knew that. That's cool. Thanks for telling me that. What gummo T I L today I learned. Kind oh my God. What were we gonna say? Gummo of the Marx Brothers was named after a gum shoe. Ah. Why?'Cause he wore them?

There's a lot of conflicting stories about the Marx brothers' nicknames, but the the prevailing one is I think his uncle m what was his name? He was a vaudeville performer, Max or whatever. Someone w gave them all these names. So Harpo played the harp. Mm-hmm. Chico, which people often mispronounce as Chico, it's Chico because he was always chasing the chicks.

Groucho, there's some differing opinion of whether he was just grouchy, but he also wore what was called a grouch bag when he was a young child performer on the vaudeville circuit, which was a place to keep your money under your clothes. Whoa. Uh T I L T I L all over the place. was from a comic strip, I think.

Like a character in a comic strip? And he was like the character in the comic strip? I don't know about that. I think I think if I remember correctly, that's one. Do you think that was like the the grandpa or whoever who named them? Um, do you think like when he got to Zeppelin was like uh Uh Kaiser Sose. Yeah. Um the uh um it is funny that Kaiser Sose is just the sitcom joke of like, my name is uh oh, the the doctor's name that I saw today? Uh Dr. Butter. Doctor Butter. Yes.

It should be he go looks and there's like some VHS on the shelf. My name is Dr. Um uh Usual Suspects. Yes, it should. Now we left off on those murder balls. Uh-huh. What do they do with all the balls? Oh yeah. Do they ever auction them off for charity? Like how they do the survivor props? I think a charity auction is Yes. They do it at like a policeman's banquet charity. Isn't that pretty macabre? They don't just have like a

They must have like an evidence depository because they need it for evidence. The reason they do it on wood in the first place is because the grain, everyone is different. It can never be faked or replaced. Right. Of course they would have to keep them. They probably There's a ball there's like an Indiana Jones ballroom warehouse ballroom. Maybe for efficiency's sake, they keep

The murder ball in a drawer underneath the bad guy they put in the jail cell. Oh yeah. Like and these were the balls that like, you know, so you can go see the guy and then you're like, what was this thing? Oh. Murder ball this name. Or maybe they just This is gross. They either shove it up the murderer's butt when they halo them. I don't think that's ghost. That's probably what they do. Do you know I was looking at the first one?

reading a little bit about this and how that prison system they have with the halos and the one person running it. Yeah. Is based on something called a panopticon, which I had never heard of before. What is that? It was Uh architect devised it in the nineteenth century as a system for prisons where one person is in a tower and the prisoners are in a circular formation their cells. so that they can always be observed by one person, but the prisoners do not know when

or how much they're being observed. So it's a like system to help them behave under the assumption that they could be observed at any time, but always. Damn. Yeah. And that does seem like that's what uh he's got there in minority report. Yeah. Panopticon. I mean that uh that's cool. Yeah. Panopticon. I know that was not familiar. Uh I like That notion in the prison that uh Their minds are still busy, busy, busy in there. It's too horrifying to contemplate. I'd rather be

vacuum bagged in jelly like the demolition man. I think yes. Right. I know. They they should ice. No, I'm c I'm confusing it. They're just frozen in jelly. We watched the first five minutes of the new Fear facts, Fear Factor starring Johnny Knoxville. Oh. And the first thing they have to do is get vacuosealed in celloph giant cellophane bags. Oh, if I was here, that would be the first thing I thought of you. But it's my nightmare. You just I'm like about to pass out from you saying that. Yeah.

So you can't die from that, because NBC isn't gonna like make you die. So it's just a matter of like trusting Who makes it? I mean, see like you trust Comcast is it gonna like kill you? Like why uh the only way I could get it. I thought it sounds absolutely horrific too, but nobody tagged out, which led me to believe it wasn't as bad as You might think'cause I also was like, why don't they have the hoses directly up to their mouth? They had some give.

In this whole thing. Like, I don't think it was heavily. It was sucked up enough so everything was pressed against them. If they want to make it a real sensation, it's like. Uh they take that person and they take the couch cushions off the couch from their like childhood couch.

And they put it on top of him and then like three cousins pot like dog pile on him. Yeah. Then you'll see the reaction of like give me that dog down, dog down it I know. Or what my neighbor used to do to me where he would Put me on my back on the grass, sit on top of me so his legs would pin my arms down at my sides, and then he would do a noogie on my sternum, like tap it over and over.

Oh man, I hate that. I'm looking at you, Jeff Carson. Yeah, Jeff Carson, why don't you follow in the footsteps of Johnny Carson and bring joy, not His brother's name is Johnny Carson. And there was a Steve Martin across the street. I know I've mentioned this before, but were you like? Hey, uh any other white haired comics? Uh people who share the name of a white haired comic want to step outside right now? And then Rich Little Richel, yeah. I was thinking Rich Little too.

Yeah. Hey, did somebody mention me and Gracie? Ah George Burns. Yeah, I got a mean Nixon if you want it to Yeah. I if I was still doing I was there too, the podcast where I talk to people who have small roles in films, I would have loved to have Arthur or Dashall. Or both. Ooh, the other precogs. Just to hear their like they got to listen to all the acting. They got to just lie in a jelly bath. That sounds awesome. Yeah, you you just got to observe like uh

uh these masters like do a scene and then and I think it would be hard though to A not policy if I was playing that part like just laying in this kind of like more they could. I mean half the time they got their eyes closed, right? Yeah, I know. But like you know Cut one of the precogs is snoring. Oh dash.

Dash, you fucking asshole. I know he's my brother, but uh I don't vouch for him. That would be good to to that would be uh yeah, a really fascinating uh all the main actors come into that channel. Yeah. Um and uh and they you get to ask them about having hair in the last scene. Yeah, wigs. Those characters' names Dashell, uh uh uh Agatha Arthur, those that's Agatha Christie, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, and um Dash Rendar from the uh extended Star Wars universe. Of course. Yeah. Hammett.

That's his full name. Uh uh reminds me in Demolition Man, Sandra Bullock was Officer Asimun Asm Asimoth. Asimov? Yeah. Was she really? Yeah. Oh, that's two on the nose. Yes. I mean I love like horror and sci-fi genre that were like, think of the last names is like such a funny thing to do. But like uh in this, um Also They aren't even Easter eggs, they're just eggs. Belly spoiled eggs. Yes. Uh the uh uh uh name uh von Saido's character as last name is Burgess.

And didn't Burgess write a clockwork orange? Anthony Burgess, yeah. Yeah. Um, just a quick Kubrick note about this. Interesting. Just three years previously, Tom Cruise is in Eyes Wide Shut, made by Stanley Kubrick. One year previously, Steven Spielberg made AI, a Stanley Kubrick thing. So they're really kind of coming together on some Kubrick trains. Yeah. And then there is all these little references like

when he goes to the eye guy and he puts his little gives him the little specifically Clockwork Orange and I think that's deliberate because that's a futurist movie about crime and punishment. So so like he gets his eyes, he gets the like um Alex treatment I think. Then there's the homeless guy. When they're going through the mall. Right. He's like the hobo at the beginning of Cockrook Orange. I mean, that guy's just like give me a hey it's like a hobo's guy who's not like he's from a another

It's a like real. Yeah, might as well have been George Buck Flower. Yes, why couldn't it? And then um Yeah, then the the Burgess name. Like By the way, Brantley looked into it. We talked about this last episode, the Le Care Kubrick Eyes Wide Shut thing. And he really seemed to do his research, but it found it was inconclusive, which I think in itself is an answer. He mentioned that.

People had said I'm trying to remember. People had said that Kubrick believed he kind of coined that phrase and would say that kind of thing a long time, but maybe there was some unconscious lifting from Le Care. I don't know. I mean the fact that we know he read a book that said Eyes Wide Shut. And it and that's a phrase that's like very rare before, you know, it was pretty uh and that he used it seems like

But um yeah, though how Brantley put it was very well put. It was like it's circumstantial evidence that seems to point towards probably some. I was watching a Seth Myers clip last night and he had Mark Strong on who was in Tinker Taylor. Oh. Myers mentioned that's one of his favorite books. And he also has a copy of Day of the Jackal on his talk show desk.

Matt, what are you gonna talk spy novels with uh Seth Myers? I want to because he was on Conan. You know you got that late night hookup, buddy. I know. Well, he was on Conan via Zoom, and he couldn't have been nicer. And I feel like Well could you do some digging and and like I'm sure his email's floating around somewhere in some inbox. If I ever if I ever meet him, I'll definitely bring it up because He's seems to be a little bit more than a little bit. Email subject tile Day of the Friendle?

Question mark? Tinker Taylor Soldier, my place or yours? Um murder balls are red. Oh yes. Why that color? Because of passion. Murder balls are red. They could have been hot pink. Neglected balls are blue. There was a did you have a weather ball in your town? No. We had a weather ball that was like a on the top of a it was kind of like the New Year's Eve bulb at the top of a building in Sioux City.

And it was like to tell you what the weather was gonna be like. So it was like weather ball red. It had like a bring out your What do you mean? How is it colored? You're dead? It's so hot, you'll be dead. Um oh I didn't finish the story about uh my friend's dad who had the apology. I was uh irate.

Everybody is my town scene, including my friend's dad. And I'm waiting for my buddy to come out. outside or like we were going outside. He's like, I forgot my jacket or something. He goes back in. So it's me and a dad just hanging out on the front lawn talking about a minority report. And the dad goes, Man, I would have loved to have one of those.

He's a computer guy. He's like, I would have loved to have one of those screens. Oh yeah. Where you have your hands. And you know, you just you're doing it and he starts biming like you're pulling this from this thing, from this on the desktop and moving it over here. I would love that. And like a car drove by. Like the person in the car if they looked, just what an odd scene that would look like.

And the kid just looking up at him. Yeah. Like they're they probably looked over and was like, Wait, is he John Anderton? Did he just see minority report like us? That's the real John Anderton. They based it on. That kid,'cause he's gonna be that age. But uh that's how you learn to do the thing that you will then do.

No. Well you were talking about editing program as we were coming back from our break. You're like, Oh, I could just watch where the audio kind of goes down, where the bathroom rigs are. Doesn't this feel like a editing program? Like He's able to like look at different shots and find the timeline. psycho

Editing. Yeah, and it's so I mean the idea of I I mean this premise is just the fucking best. It is, and it really checks out. They didn't get everything right in this, but convening that council of futurists Did seem to pay off pretty well. Yeah, they're self-driving cars. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Oh, yes, yes, yes. The motion activated.

Browsing and such. Um targeted ads. I mean it's not exactly how they target ads, but it is pretty I mean, the idea of that was revolutionary and it's funny how they do some things like They missed how gone print will be. There are magazines in this, but it's moving magazines, which then you could see print going away and coming back as that. Like if there's some nanotechnology where you can have flexible paper that you just have one.

magazine, paper magazine that reloads every month with pages would be amazing, you know, with digital pages, but it's but it's fluid like paper. I like you're thinking there that it's that it some sort of retro futuristic kind of throwback thing is

'Cause when I saw that I did think like, Oh, it's so funny that yeah, they're still going through the work of printing newspapers and stuff to get the digital screen as opposed to like they couldn't make the leap that two thousand and one makes, which is like Those guys are sitting while they're eating. Yeah. It's like how everybody eats lunch now. They've got like a little screen that they're watching TV. But uh this is like and it's Cameron Crow who's reading the news digital newspaper. Yeah.

Who else is on there? So Brantley said Paul Thomas Anderson, but I couldn't see if if somebody and uh one of our listeners wanna do a screen grab and point it out on our Patreon. Uh two Camerons and a Yeah, was that Cameron Diaz there? That's what he said. I didn't see Yes, bec I saw that because she was with the mask character. Didn't you notice in the subway scene, you could hear like, my name is Cuban Pete. I'm the king of the Rumba Beat.

I just heard smoking. Yeah. It was the uh smoking section of the subway. Uh I I'm uh let's talk about this Dr. Iris scene. Doctor Iris? Yeah, which uh that name is a little on the nose. Is that for the eye doctor's name is Iris? No, that's do no, it's the woman, the inventor of the precog, the co-inventor. Oh okay, yes. Let's talk about that scene. Horny Gardner. I know. Horny Gardner. It just feels slightly off and

There's a Mandela effect for this scene for me that I always think it's Meryl Streep. And then I come to read that she was wanted for this role. Yeah, it seems very streepian. It does. Yeah. And you could imagine this scene for me. I think it's the actress's portrayal is just It's a she's a little acty to me. Mm-hmm. And then then you w mix in the CGI What's her name, Lois Smith? Yeah. Plants and the kind of eroticism. Yeah.

To it. I don't know. Something something of it is a little off for me. I can't quite put my finger on it. Yeah. Uh and it comes after a big stretch of Action. And it does I feel like the the the the computer the CGI vines and her like being oddball and stuff, it does feel like it's all in an effort. to make this scene not boring after you've had such kind of like an exhilarating forty minutes.

Like there it it it is trying to like I think you just set him down at a microfiche and in two minutes you've got the information you need from the scene. I mean there's some really great uh just uh like noir or movie stuff. Like I I love that Tim Blake Nelson's um line like, don't go uh dig it in the past, you'll just get dirty. That sounds like that could have been in any movie. And I love her uh right, the big sleeper like Maltese Falcon or something. Like and then when um

I love like that uh little. I mean, there's character moments in that scene that I love. Like when she holds that flower and she's like, Uh at the end of the day, anybody's just trying to survive and then she gets that blood. But you don't like the actor, you don't like the scene, you don't uh

I like that she kisses him and stuff. I I like that. Yeah. I I like that she's a little off. I think maybe it's the the actress. I just feel her acting her way through it. Even that scene where she squeezes the flower, her imagining a flower. I to something about it feels artificial to me. I don't know what it is. Yeah, it's more theatrical than the other things. And maybe it is like when

an actor uh she's not in any of the other scenes, right? So you can't like pick up maybe on what the maybe tone of the I'm just so Affected visually by things. I always have been just my space, like design, all that stuff. So I think that's why I bump so much against. The Kaminsky being and and even the CGI acting, when something isn't a hundred percent real to me, it

It really jars me or something. Yeah, I think effects wise that's the the the flower stuff is the most uh iffy. Um and some of the jetpack stuff practically, but just the lingering wire and like even when Tom Cruise is climbing the ladder, he's wired and he's just like anti-gravity when he doesn't even have a jetpack on. And that's right that stuff throws me a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. The um

Yeah, the the the f flower stuff doesn't quite hold up. I also thought It was weird like when one of the flowers started singing feed me. I mean, did I walk into a completely different mood? No, I went in a little little shop of horrors like doo-op in that scene. That would have been fun. Me wee. Eat me. Uh the uh What was I gonna say about Her, um Yeah.

I the um oh that that scene it was filmed in uh Descanto Gardens. You're kidding me. No, I looked it up. I was like where was this filmed and it's in Descanto Gardens. Whoa, I just assumed that was a set. Yeah. Uh so if you Maybe the stuff where he's jumping over the wall or something. I don't know if the greenhouse is, but Oh yeah, probably. Maybe the greenhouse is a Disconso Gardens uh Oh cool. Yeah, so next time uh you go, be like, Can you take me to the Tom Cruise wing?

Cause I don't know. I always get the Disconso Gardens mixed up with the Arboretum. The Arboretum has a like marble l like fountain structure that would have fit well architecturally in this movie. Yes. Yeah. Um, yeah, and l so it seems like the locations are like Los Angeles and uh uh DC. Yeah. Um

When you mentioned the um Tom Cruise's character getting uh drugs. Yeah. Um, it did make me think there's like a whole kind of like sub I don't know if genre's the right word, of Future drugs in movies. So this has Neuroin. Neuroin. And you break it and you kind of breathe it in. Yeah. And in uh do you remember Robocop two? That's what I was trying to remember. What is that one? Nuke. Nuke. We just talked about that recently.

Attack of the clones. I know that's the past, but Hook of Remember when they go into the Coruscant bar? Oh, death sticks? Deathsticks. Which is like What person inventing that item would give it that name? Yeah. I'm going to judge my product I've tried to sell to people. What are some other ones? Um The only other one I could think of is in Looper. It's eyedrops. I'm like, Oh, that's that could that seems like it should be. Live screamers, can you think of any future drugs? Future drugs.

It's good to see that cops isn't cancelled in this alternate future. Yeah, the long arm of uh twentieth century Fox and Fox programming uh with the uh um I thought um The stuff too with um cops on the screen, but the other uh sort of um The serial box with the digital ad on it is a cool idea. Um, what I wanted to ask you, what serial mascot would you most want to have like a interactive?

Future like you could talk to them and they like AI essentially. Like what I mean, I guess I have some questions for Captain Crunch, but they're more like gotcha questions. Like what? captain of what? Hey, that's a gotcha question. Come on give the old captain a break. Don't you wanna know how I made the peanut butter one? The peanut butter run in less than uh in twelve morning sons. I'm captain of the good ship Crunchy.

Leave me, I gotta go. Was the implication that he was riding on like a big sea of milk? Yeah, and then there's the Soggies. And he hates the Soggies. Yeah, they they make his Is he the one confessing oops all berries? Also, that's not a mistake. That's a happy accident. That's a patented Quintessential Bob Ross happy accident. It should not be called oops all berries. It should be called like Happy Accident Berries. We did it. We fucking did it. Those things are fucking delicious.

Uh I've never had oopsal berries. I had a good two year run when I was a kid of eating Cap and Crunch peanut butter. The peanut butter's good too. Oh my god. But haven't you ever had regular crunch berries and you eat the Captain Crunch first and then save? I would always do that. Same with Lucky Charms I'd eat. Get the work done and then have my reward. That's awesome. And by then the milk is so flavored of crunch berries or marshmallows. I was trying to teach Glenn that.

For our b either one of our birthdays we get. up to three sugar cereals and do like a little tasting thing. But do you think maybe um The the Cap and Crunch and the berries are like the surf and turf of the breakfast world where you can eat both sometimes in a little flavor. You like keeping Well, yeah. I I mean I think that's the idea. But if you're really feeling like frisky. I like that. I like the uh reward. Um the uh I don't think the...

The idea of like there's a reward in the afterlife. Yeah. Kind of thing. Like I could see that just having that little boost at the with the cereal in the morning. Um, there is something that I think is like um Well, I guess Colin Farrell, you're you're supposed to think maybe he's like a Jesuit priest or something. Uh but like uh This might not be a Catholic thing, it just might be like a human behavior thing. But this movie seems to be like uh

I don't know. I I feel like I had my wires a little crossed growing up that I thought to have the feeling was to be acting on it. Like they were kind of What do you mean? Um, you know, there was sort sort of like um Venial sins, mortal sins. The venial sins sometimes kind of like They got into your heart and m about what was going on in your mind and heart and Uh whatever, this is my own journey, but it took me uh uh here come the precrime podcast, please.

Coming to take me away. But like I like, it took me growing up to kind of unwind the idea that like just because I have a hostile thought. or hostile feeling It's not the same as if I went and punched the person, but the and that should be obvious, but the fact that that was kind of all mixed up in a sort of like feelings goop.

This movie, I feel like, touches a nerve of sort of like, sure. What if you're, I mean, it's thought police, you know, whatever. That's it. But like it is like the feeling of like, um, wait, are my impulses?

Wrong? Is that correct? There's a documentary about a guy who wrote in a journal, I forget what it was, about killing his wife or girlfriend and they arrested him. And I think he beat it because he didn't do it.

But he was he's like, I'm gonna kill her or whatever and did she find it and she was like, I wish I could remember. I can't even remember the details. Like I'm sure I'm messing it up, but that really does get to the whole precrime and thought police and And this movie, because it has it's exploring so many ideas and concepts, it doesn't even really delve into it that much, but just that you can change fate and you don't have to do the things the precog.

have said you will do. Yeah. I like yeah, like um Steven Spielberg's like sci-fi movies where like this is like in Jurassic Park, they'll have like a good just ten minute seed of sort of people like while cool stuff is happening. sort of argue ethics or you know something like that. Uh I l that scene where he rolls the ball and Colin Farrell catches it. It's like, Well it was still falling whether you caught it or not. That's

such great writing. I mean it's it ultimately makes this movie work because you do get into a paradox thing if there isn't free will. Right. And you and you the it's so brilliant to cast. Is it Ari Gross who's the Yeah? Because he's so sympathetic in the situation, you want him to not have killed his wife and whatever because you you feel for how

Baddie's got it. Yes. Yeah. And that whole I mean, I don't know if there's a more gripping first five minutes of a movie in the twenty first century than like minority report. And it's so cool because it it is flipping all the stuff you love about detective stuff, but like still delivering on it. So, you know, obviously it's so cool when you see a detective find a clue and then the clue helps them get to where they need to be. Like

To be figuring out clues for a thing that hasn't happened yet is just such a cool idea. So but and then the suspense of that. But then it also twists or like turns upside down Hitchcock scenes of like The husband who's gonna murder the wife is like rear window, right? But like in that, it's just. Clear cut. All I have to do is get out of the apartment and go across it's not as clear cut, you know, but and then go over there and stop him and rear window. This is so clear.

fun, kaka baby crazy that it's like But you can't have it without the other. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you get to have still a suspense scene where you see the guy grabbing the scissors. And going up the steps. It's just like all classic shit you've seen a hundred times, but it's done in a completely new way. It's like so what an exhilarating uh movie experience. We can do a whole mini season on scissor kill movies. Yes. Dead again. Right. Dressed to kill. Exorcist three.

God yes, scissor kill, scissor kill. Uh I I kinda wanna do this. Yeah, let's do some like to get in the minutia of a scissor kill. That's something we haven't talked about yet. I'm going on some kind of paternity leave after this season. That's right. And the baby don't birth. We'll get to the total recall, which we're doing soon. That's right. Um

But maybe when we come back, it could be like a mini season like that of Scissor Kills. Cause I've been wanting to see Dress to Kill again. Exorcist three. Doesn't mean we can't do an Exorcist season in the future. Cause that movie we could cover twice. I'd be fine with it. Or recap it. And dead again. Yes. Which I is a real I feel weird even saying it's a guilty pleasure because I think people.

I f I find people like really love that movie or they're like laugh at it. And maybe it's worth of worthy of both. I'd be down for that, of course. Can you guys think of other scissor kill movies in the screamer platform here? Yeah. That would be a wonderful video. Maybe we'd watch like a a Scissors Sisters video. Maybe. No, scissor kill, scissor kill would be uh There's gotta be another

I I mean three would be perfect actually though. Those three sound really good to me, but maybe if there's a a and like a scissor, there's three blades. Yes, exactly right. Don't get me started on the glaive. Don't even get me started on that glade. a sh a movie just about Wally. I loved that character and I love that actor. I feel like uh the the precog guy that gets in with them. Oh yeah, he's awesome. He's so good. Yeah. When Ari Gross dies, that guy then lives.

Like you don't know who that character is, is immediately the uh uh Ari Gross. Dies and you're like, that was a sympathetic character. Then you get this new sympathetic character. And then you get Samantha Morton. I feel like she should have been a nomination. Yeah, what a performance. So good. She gave me chills two or three times.

Yeah. And she doesn't get to leave that tank until an hour and a half in the movie, but uh she's the character you most remember from the movie. When you walk out of it or think about it ten years later, you're gonna think about her being like. Now our live streamers got to see me do She's just like unbelievably good at and I never get sympathy and empathy right, whatever it is.

But feel like you get'em all right, man. In life. No. Whatever she's doing to convey a character who is all I guess it's is it empathy? She's fully empathetic. Fully empathetic. Yeah. Where she's just taking on the emotions of these victims. Oh, when she holds it. Yeah. Yeah. And sh then when she screams Yeah, that's awesome. Oh man, Amy chills. I know when she's given uh that thing talking about uh what their kids are gonna be, it's it's cool.

Dead zone. Oh, play Misty for me? Have you ever seen that? No. Wait, that's it's not called play scissors for me? That's crazy that they're not. Is that Clint Eastwood? Is it like a murder investigation? It's like the original like misery. Like she's an obsessed fan of um of uh Uh Clint Eastwood. Well that sounds good. As a radio DJ. I mean the yeah, we gotta watch this. Fucking four movies. Okay, I'll do I'm gonna I'm gonna stop playing Misty if you don't cut it out, okay?

When I say cut it, I don't mean scissors, huh? Up next is The Way by Fastball. You know that's uh That song was written about an actual couple that got in their car one day, and they were worried about the uh dementia of the woman and the post surgery status of the old man and

their kids couldn't find'em and they disappeared for days and then they they never came back and that's that's a true story. I watched a YouTube video because my daughter Glenn and I have been listening to that song and she loves it. Clint, you have a daughter named Glenn, like my friend Matt. Yes, I do. And I'm not even doing Clint Eastwood, I'm just like Don Lafontaine or something. You haven't uh cleared your throat yet. Uh

I'm I'm sorry, I'm reading the streamers here. Oh. Uh we can talk about the uh uh i motif. Yeah, there's eyes all over this thing. Stalker. Stabbin' in the eyes. Abe Lincoln's eyes. Eye removal. Eyeballs. I mean this movie the idea of vision. Iris. Iris. Doctor Iris. I said that like a Harvey Kaitel and a taxi driver. I don't know no iris. You don't know Iris? No, don't know uh no Iris.

Um I think Kaitel always does a little hissy s, doesn't he? Yeah. Neil McDonough. Uh not. Oh we won't talk about eyes. Is there more to talk about with us? No, no, no. You said that just like my Aunt Rosalie. No, no, no. She did. Oh no, no. What, like you want to go out dancing tonight? No. Sorry, don't wanna bun ya. Sorry, Sonya, don't wanna... Wouldn't wanna bun ya. What's up with bun ya? Neil McDonough. So good in Band of Brothers. So good in this. Yeah

I know he's I think he's like a conservative guy, so but I don't know anything about whether he's like wing nut conservative or that kind of like unfortunate thing where people are just conservative and then they don't get used in Hollywood. Like that's not good either. Yeah, what was he? He was the w did was he the lead of a C B S show? Yeah, he was. What was that? Um C S I uh um C S I Ohio. Yeah.

I don't know, but he's so good in Band of Brothers and he played Buck Compton who in real life has the distinction of being shot four times with one bullet. Have I talked about this before? And Kennedy. Yeah, I suppose. So they sit. Uh what what was his uh I think I have brought this up. Yeah, no, tell me. He got shot on the side of his butt. So that cheek, in the other cheek, and out that cheek.

Four bullet holes, one bullet. Is the butt the only part of your body where you could have four holes through it? Well, actually five. Yeah. Do you think when he saw his butthole, he was like, wait, there's five. They're like, that's your butthole, dude. This like war hero. I'm like making jokes about like one of those Play-Doh spaghetti extruders.

That was a joke my friends always had about uh what if for one day you didn't poop out of your butt, you pooped out of your mouth, and then when the poop came through your teeth, it was like the play-doh thing where like it made the shape and Who did that? Who said that? My friends and I in middle school. Do you want me to repeat war middle school jokes that my friends and I made that were very cool? Anyway, I just I hope he's okay and I would like to see him in more because I find him to be

He's perfect in this role as the sympathetic one of that team where the other guy's the kind of hard ass. Yeah. And this guy like he wants, he knows. Same with Wally, where's like, I'll give you two minutes, you're always kind to me. Yeah. I just love when people are helping people in movies. I agree. I agree. But I th and then that that bad guy, the other one, the he's not a bad guy, the other cop who's like tough.

I do like this movie how all the characters uh do have distinction from each other. Yeah. Like uh everybody has like he's not melodramatically mean. Yeah. He's just a little more distrusting. Yes, yes. He wants to go eat. Um a thing that um uh I noticed is is is something that we might be useful when you watch a mystery movie. After Uh The first scene where Tom Cruise suspects something's going on because he goes to the body and can't find the like file. It's like missing.

And that's the first time the audience is going like, Okay, something is different and mysterious for them and now for us. Like I The next seed Is Max von Seido going like Oh I'm so sick. Yeah. There's no possible way with my health in this moment I could be part of this plan. Yes. And then the scene right after that is Colin Farrell.

Sneaking into Tom Cruise's office and like digging looking at footage of his kid. It's like, if you're watching a mystery movie, when the first scene where the that's like, this is the mystery. Whoever is sick in the next seat is the bad guy.

Who's ever super sympathetic is the bad guy, and whoever is unsympathetic, the most unsympathetic, is gonna be uh the good guy. Yeah. Or not not a criminal. We haven't even talked about Max Von Siddown. He's so good at this, and I love the ending confrontation and the setup of the dilemma between yes, well, do you want your pet project? Two

go on or do you want to go on? It's another what's uh c so clever about this movie. It's another like reversal of tropes you've seen, which is like the detective and the mastermind are like facing off with each other. But you have this whole other wrinkle that adds like a a fun dimension to it. And there is a like pragmaticism to his motives that he's not He's not

good, but he's not evil. He's mm-hmm. I mean, I think that's a good thing. And same with Colin Farrell. Yeah. He's like the ETA in uh uh Ghostbusters or the EPA in Ghostbusters where you're sort of like the thing he's actually kind of fighting for is like He is the A C L U. He'd be like, This is fucked up what you guys are yeah. But he even says I'm not the A C L U.

So there's gray area to him, there's gray area to sit out because like yes he ha he did some sinister fucking shit, but he saved a bunch of other lives. Well theoretically we find out. But then the sympathetic element of him Dying and saying, I think twice, forgive me. Forgive me. Yes, yeah. I that made it so it's so good. I know. I I was like, Somebody like Richard Attenborough in Jurassic Park. There's like a soft spot.

For the like patriarchal like dreamer. I know, I know. I mean it's basically like Disney, like Walt Disney being like, Yeah, hey, I'm kinda I was a fucker, but forgive me. I know. Like you pirates of the care begins. You know how that at the end of Pirates of the Caribbean, that dog has keys in his mouth? That was my idea. Yeah. Yeah, I'm anti-Semitic, but churros. Churros. Uh Um is that when he goes to the uh hotel? Yeah. Is that Tom Cruise's cousin? That's the Yes.

Uh Maplethorpe or what what's his name? Thomas. Yeah. Yeah. What other He's always like Clint Howard for Ron Howard. Like he always shows up in Tom Cruise things. Yes. Uh I remember he was in Lost. Maybe he doesn't show up in that many. No, no, he does, but he is Tom Cruise's cousin. Yeah. And he's Tom's Scientologist as well. Tom Cuz. Tom Cus. That's his name. Everyone in Tom Cruise's family, Tom D, Tom Mom, Tom Dad, Tom Cuz, Tom Sis. Tombro. Tombro. Tombro cause Tom Bro.

Oh when we do think that whole run though, um from The pod car. I mean it the action sequence that's for the next like twenty minutes, it has a literal kickoff. He goes like everybody runs and then he kicks off the window for the pod. Yeah. And then through that whole thing, I mean

That jetpack sequence is for me, I l like when they're sliding across the bottom of the alleyway on top of each other. That's like really um fun. Uh uh, Matt. Yeah. Um The minority report, that term is like cover for We bury it uh because it could show that there's infallibility or the name gets itself because it's A second vision that one of them has.

But it's in the minority report. That's different and can't be corroborated, so they throw it out. I see. The this title like existed for so long before the movie came out, you just hear minor report and then I remember Like three days before the movie came out, they released a T V ad where um the Gardner lady goes, You have to find the r minority report. I was watching it with my friend Jake. And uh when it went on in the commercial he was like, huh

Have to find the minority. I'm just realizing too how if they would have just put a the on there, it would have been in line with all those title format I love. It is. That essentially and it's a conspiracy that like based on this like little MacGuffin or yeah. Because it's it's It's kind of

It is to the movie, but it is a lot to hang a title on. Because there's many other titles you could have had for this movie. I don't have examples, but I don't love the title though. I know, but it's very specific. Yes. But yeah, you'd think If it wasn't a Philip K. Dick story and Spielberg didn't have the power,'cause they've changed a lot of Philip K. Dick's titles, like Total Recall, Blade Runner, all have Paycheck. Yeah. We

Is I think Pete Paycheck is Philip K. Dick. It is, but does is it called Paycheck? I think it probably can't be. No. Cause what's total recall? We can dream it for you wholesale or something like that? They're too hippie-ish. They're too out there. They're long and they're yeah. Maybe when you come up with your titles, don't drop some acid beforehand, you fucking freak. Cause this could be called

Pre-cog or pre-crime. Pre-crime. Any studio would have named this pre-crime. The Robocop version of this is pre-crime. Pre-crime and pre-punishment. Pre-crime. Pre-crime doesn't pay. Is it true you can get pregnant from pre-crime? Yeah. So even if you've like there's been s a little bit of pre-crime. Yeah. You gotta be careful with pre-crime.

I don't think that's I just don't think no. I mean, I've never been in a situation where I'm like sex. We're talking about precrime. Oh, okay, yeah. Crime. Getting back to eyeballs, yeah. It's really funny that His wife. My first note, chasing eyeballs. Oh, I thought that's what you're gonna say. It's really funny when he chases those eyeballs on the hall. Oh, that's what I'm saying. Well, when she goes to Tim Blake Nelson

And throws the eyeballs down as a reveal, but they land on a little literal organ and do an organ sting. Do you think they retro-engineered him playing the organ just so they could have that Spielberg moment of bum bum? That's right,'cause if he had been playing like the trumpet the whole time. If she throws some eyeballs on like the trumpet, it just kinda goes clank.

One eyeball breezes into the nozzle and the other eyeball like That whole sequence though with the fake eyeball to scan in it It is funny that in the middle of this one Tom Cruise movie, we get a Mission Impossible sequence because it is about like doing a break-in, changing your face.

Using different like And did you notice in the end when he has the hood on he looks just like he does in Ghost Protocol? Yes, I didn't notice that, but you're right. Yeah. Probably got it from there. He was like, Hey, I look good in a hoodie. The other like visual that seemed um familiar or whatever uh is um uh the sequence, like when they're looking at the um precog's vision of the lakeside thing. Um Because it's Jessica Harper who is like in Suspiria. Oh, that's who that is.

And then the killer is like black gloved. Yeah. And that sequence where he's about to like lift his hood at her dream, that is like a giallo. Very much. Isn't it like and then the fact that she's in it. And he's got sunglasses on. Yeah. Do you find one of the like weird nitpicks for me is that is this reveal of like he set up this first killer and then he comes in but then they show that just this

rescue team comes in and they're like, Are you okay or are you okay? And she waves them off and then they just leave her alone. They just exit the whole crime scene of the crime. So Maximon Sidow, I just feel like there was one step missing there where there's a scene where Siddow is like. Something's happening over the hill. Go over there. I'll watch her. Yes. I don't know. Something was. That whole thing was a little like.

plot contrivance. Yeah. It's an imperfect moment in a otherwise really good well when you hear about yeah, when you hear about other people who could have directed this like um Jan DeBont was originally supposed to do it. Right. And Spielberg was doing the haunting and he said and he was like, I like the minority report. Can we switch? But I would love to see Spielberg's haunting. Yeah, I mean to him do a real like to do Poltergey, you know, like his name on the side.

Yeah. Shitty and the original's so good. Well, and then Yon De Bon, I was thinking like with The storytelling, like precision that this like movie requires, I'm really happy Steven Spielberg made it. Like the the like stories. told uh as well as it could be. You could imagine like certain like plot threads or stuff holes g getting developed by somebody who's the authorship to have it not be meddled with by the studio and yeah.

Yes. Um the um the thing that When I watched it with my friend, uh in the theater, he thought it was funny that the uh In the future, umbrellas are still the same. I thought that too Yeah. We walked out of it and he was like there's so many cool future things in it. But do you think it was funny that the el uh the uh uh umbrellas are the same? But it's a perfect invention and what else can you do? Some like laser brella that would just So Logan's runny or something. Yeah, and the cost.

Production, uh what the differential of that wouldn't be like But that does seem like something that the quorum Spielberg would ask, like, what about umbrellas? And they all would have went, No It's still good. I guess if you what would you do futurists probably look at also the past of an invention and go like, you know what, it hasn't? Yeah. We're looking at umbrellas from time gone by and you're not gonna Yeah. Yeah. Uh uh You think it's the same like with like rubbers?

Well, those have been since like sheep intestine, right? Yeah. Back when people used to have sex with intestines. And then they were like, wait a minute. Could I ask one other um Randy question? Sure. Do you think ever it happened with John Anderton? Like when they're like looking at the precrime footage and stuff, like a little like he accidentally left his porn open. Do you m do you imagine that would be a funny mad TV sketch, man?

In the like pre-triproom and then he's like moving his hand and he's like, get that out of there, but then his like hand gear is like malfunctioning. He can't get it down to the trash can in in time. It's like, ooh, do me John Anderton. Uh save it for demolition man. That's where we that's where we got it. That's where it should be. It was there, remember? He Oh yeah, with the focal. Oh, excuse me. Uh-huh, this is the most watched part of the movie on HBO.

People like waited for that moment like, okay, I'm going to bed. You've caught me at my daily three PM tits out moment. Um, I did star T C Cousin and the hotel desk, so we're on the same page wondering about Tom Cruise's cousin. Uh the other Catholic thing is when She's like, You don't have to go up into that hotel room he's like, No. I know, but I'm not gonna kill him. I believe that's uh what in the Catholic Church we call

uh putting yourself in the occasion for sin. Like don't you don't do it. Yeah, it's like don't test your behavior. Yeah. Um Moida. I love the uh sequence, probably also because it's the point where you're like, hell yeah, fucking uh um the bad guy is actually good. He's gonna help out old Tom Cruise here when he says, uh, this is what we call an orgy of evidence. Yeah. I know. That's good. Yeah. How many times have I seen that? Zero.

Yes, right, right, right. And it's funny, like when you when he says it, you're like, oh yeah, duh. Yeah. I should have known that. Like, um the um guy who plays the dude who gets shot. Um this is probably like the best scene in the movie. And even though the rest of the movie's cool, I feel like it kind of reaches its crescendo here with the

when Tom Cruise with his little quavery voice starts reading him his writes. Oh yeah. Uh and like fights through the temptation. But that guy who he's gonna kill is this writer director Mike Binder. Oh. But he's acted another thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he wrote Indian Summer. Oh really? Yeah. Do you think there's been any other movies where Tom Cruise has shot the screenwriter of Indian Summer? Well, I don't know, but it had to be pre-cognized.

It would have been pre caught. He sh would shoot the he would have known. Yes. Yeah. Uh but Mike Binder was on Stephen Baldwin's podcast recently. And told just first of all, that's news to me, but shouldn't be. And and did you listen? You're like, why didn't you come in to the recording studio screaming that at the top of your lungs, Paul, like announcing it? Um

Mike Binder uh worked with Spielberg and Ben Affleck and he tells a story. I won't repeat it here, but if anybody's interested, it's uh He's kind of telling a tale out of school. Well you tell me after? Yeah. And then'cause I anyone else can go find the ball. And it got like reported like it went in some reports but I was uh I was like, Mike Binder, hold thy tongue. Really?

Yeah, I maybe I should hold my tongue about Mike Binder. Well, you can't hold your tongue about holding your tongue. You are holding your tongue. Don't make me say Ship of A Apples. Born on a Pirate Ship, a fine third bare naked ladies album. When Tom Cruise drives in through the country to go visit his wife. Yeah. It's kind of like the end of that original ending of Blade Runner when he's like driving through like beautiful with a little freak in his future car. Uh Okay. So this like last um

Twenty minutes. I do really think it's cool that it's like, oh my God, the chips are really down. Cruises Cruises in one of those this is in prison. And uh Agatha is back in the pool. And wife goes pure action hero video. Yeah, she really takes it uh to the finish line here. I do like the um precogs. I know we said like don't drink that water, but it does seem like a nice like hotel indoor hot tub. It's yeah. Hi hi highly chlorinated but nutrient rich. Yeah, it smells like bleach. Yeah. Uh but

Speaking of hotels, also the mall. Do you know what mall that was, Matt? I looked it up. I was curious. It was the Hawthorne Mall. Here in Southern California? Yeah. Did you ever visit the Hawthorne? No, I don't think so. I guess it's like Is it still empty and so it gets used a lot. Like I think it's also the mall where like in Gone Girl where she goes to like the they go interview the addicts and stuff like that is uh

But I don't know if it's still standing. I don't know if it's like Elton John if it's still standing. It's still standing. Elton. Stronger than ever been. It's like Beetlejuice if you ask Elton If something's still standing, he shows up. Let's you know. Um Sitting Bull, he's not standing. Sitting like he always is. I only have one more note. It's more of a question. Yeah, I only have One more Notice two more notes.

The naming thing. It is funny that the woman who's killed last name is Lively. Beware Blake Lively. Don't go near no Yeah, don't go near a the character Anne in this movie. She's Anne Nats. And then... The endine uh is so cozy. When the the three precogs are in a cabin reading in with hair and sweaters. I mean that's like is there a more cozy ending shot of a movie we've watched yet.

'Cause a lot of times they end kinda scary. I yeah. I couldn't tell what they were reading. Were they reading like Murder Agatha Christie? Oh that'd be I didn't see. That's funny. And then if you look really closely, behind the the book is actually like a copy of Mad Magazine. Come on. Kids. You supposed to be reading the book. Um, but it is a very cozy ending. I remember when the movie came out. The ending got criticized, or even sitting in the theater, I remember feeling this sort of like Uh

Happy neatness to it. Yeah. But you know what? Watching it now, it like it works for me. I think It needs it. I wanna see those three pre precogs be happy. Yeah, for sure her, especially. Yeah. And it does seem like the problem You know, in a lot of like future movies, it's hard to get the genie back in the bottle. But with this, it does seem like, oh, they tried pre-crime in DC. It didn't work. they released the people who they caught and

So it seems like And they're watching them heavily. Yeah. That's a little bit like at the end of Raya One, they say they turn off the Oasis like on Wednesdays. Th there's just some sort of like con too convenient like solution for this. Um and I don't know. I do think maybe that's a a uh the hopeful ending to a dystopian movie is hard to pull off and cynics might not like it, but I l I like the the idea. Like there's so interesting that to go

get rid of dystopia, you have to go back to a kind of previous dystopia where there's murder and crime an imperfect world. Right. Uto a perfect utopia is fantasy and it almost always means dystopia. in a way or something. Yeah, it's interesting too that the thing that they're fighting is something that we're really not fighting like um homicide rates have been going down every year, you know, and this it's born out of like, oh, there's too much there's a spike across the country.

in homicides. And so that's like what they're trying to but where this movie sits is interesting. It was made in May two thousand one. But it came out in summer 2002. So like 911 happens in the middle of this, like, I mean, Steven Spielberg, when it came out, was like,

Oh, the Patriot Act, I see now we didn't know it when we were making the movie, but the Patriot Act comes and it's sort of about you can invade things if you wanna if it's good to catch the bad guy. So now that movie's asking this question. And still today, you know, the idea of like what is due process and uh what forces have the right to come in you know. Let me ask this question. D did I have it right that the precogs were born

Of neuroinaddicted parents? Yes, yes. So is there an implication that this baby that his wife is pregnant with is going to be a pre-cog? And in a way is kind of this Interesting Why because of his neurons? Yeah. Yeah. And that in some way like he th they never answer the question what happened to Sean and he's gone. But having a child with a precognitive ab ability like

Agatha, maybe they'd have a new channel, but also a connection to Sean in some way through some cognitive channel or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It they don't make a big deal out of that, but it seems like a question that it asks. I don't know.

That's really interesting. Yeah. And it also, I didn't really think about it, but the idea that this kind of like miraculous godlike spiritual thing occurred. because of drug use feels like a very like Sci-fi novel written in the sixties and seventies, things like DK Ultra. Yeah, it opened up their minds with the drugs the parents took. It actually, you know, uh gave them a third eye to see what was really happening. Yeah, yeah.

But uh yeah, that's interesting. Well hell of a movie. Yes. Um I have a couple of things for you. One of the um Listeners to Bananas for Bonanza sent this in for you. What? I'm so sorry I forget the Oh my gosh. Thank you. A gremlin air freshener. A gremlin air freshener. We'll get the name, but thank you. So oh look at on one side it's gizmo and on the other side It's a stripe and it's so clever

That um yeah they recognize it's the same shape of head. Oh yeah. So that they can do this. Well, thank you. And then uh Brian Raftery, the great podcaster and author, sent us this book, Each One of Us Hannibal Lecter a Life and it's like a uh a biography of the character of Hannibal Lecter. Oh well thank you. That's great. Thank you, Brian. Thank you, Brian. Um what are you gonna rate this? Move. Yeah. Let me recap what we've got here so far.

Let me learn how to hold a book and a microphone at the same time. On a scale of one to three precogs, I give it two dashals. Robocop, we each gave a 13. Escape from New York, we both gave it eleven. Rollerball two seven point fives. Demolition man, I gave it an eight. You gave it a nine. What are you gonna give? Minority report. I will give it! Uh 12 and a half. Twelve and a half. I'm gonna do a ten.

There we go. There we go. We've got one film left. It's total recall. Let's just see if any more scissor movies came in on the live stream. Yeah, thank you. I'm curious. The burning that has garden shears. The burning has garden shears, yeah. We watched uh the burning so we could retroactively add that to Oh dial M for murder, but we've already covered that. Um Yeah, Dead Again was one of the ones we were talking about. Uh

I'm kinda glad there isn't a a slew of suggestions. So Yeah, no slew of scissors. Yeah. We either do three or four, but if it were four, it's dress to kill dead again, exorcist three and play Misty for me. Hell yeah. So we can decide whether w We'll finish this season. We're recording a bit ahead.

Anybody who's a Patreon subscriber won't be missing any content. That's right. Um, but the free feed there might be a little bit longer of a break in here, but we'll see. And then uh next week, uh uh next episode, we're doing total recall. That's right. We'll see you guys then. Okay, bye-bye. Bye. Candy. We interrupt this program to bring you an important Wayfair message. Wayfair's got Tips for every Like an untamed. This has been your win. Superior. Every style, every