IN THE LINE OF FIRE

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Cause nothing's more relaxing than the cries of death and lust. So spend a ten. Welcome to the final episode. of Intrigue We Trust with Grieg and Rust. Yeah, what a ride it's been. Man, this is one of my favorite seasons in a long time. Yeah, that's awesome. This is where I live. This is my home. This is where I'm most comfortable. This is where everybody knows your name. Man. When you're intrigued, you're at...

Home. Is that right? Yeah. Now, this is the cap of our run here that started with Day of the Jackal. Yeah. Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. Three Days of the Condor. In the lineup, Blowout. Patriot Games now ending with In the Line of Fire. What a great batch of movies. Perfect bookend because I didn't realize how much this movie is pulling from Day of the Jackal. I thought that too when I was watching it. I didn't think about the bookends of it.

but it's true. That's a nice little bookend. It's like, what if the Jacko was played by John Malkovich? Yeah. And then that detective you could really care about in Day of the Jacko, what if he was Clint? Eastwood. But down to getting a birth certificate of someone that died young. That's true. Yes. Doing like going out in the wild and testing your new weapon. Yes. And there was something else too. I'm trying to remember what it was.

I forget. But yeah. And, and, um, loner by themselves in their, in their domicile disguises. Yes, yes, yes. Um, and, uh, similar, um, Yeah. Actor types, character types. Yeah. There was no Russo though. No. Or was there a Russo equivalent in the line of fire? Is Russo... Does it... No. But what I was thinking when I started watching this, my first thought when this came on was...

This is just what you go to the movies for. Yes, this is a real movie movie. Last time, but it's just such an enjoyable, slightly heightened, not super serious, but kind of high stakes. Yep. fun night at that motion picture cinema or a matinee at the Bijou. I don't care. And I was just trying to think of this narrow band of movies and I could only think of one other that was just...

had the same kind of tone and was just as satisfying. And I bet there's a lot more. I just couldn't think of any. Do tell. The Thomas Crown Affair. The one with Brosnan. Oh, another Russo. Exactly. And I was thinking, is she the secret sauce? She could be the secret sauce for a particular type of entertainment for adults. Yeah. Like the thinking person's blockbuster. Exactly. It's not super smart, but it ain't dumb. Yeah, that's right. And it's not...

Action-packed, but it's fun. That's true, yes. It's high stakes, but we'll have a laugh. Yes, yes. I mean, starting it off with Freejack, I believe. Is that right? Oh, we were discussing what we're going to do next season. That's another one that came up, all those virtual thrillers. Oh, yeah.

Yes, yes, yes. Stay tuned for the end of this episode where I think Paul are going to hash it out live. Yes. And figure out what the next season is going to be. Yeah, yeah. We have some on the docket. Six ideas. Yeah, six ideas and we'll choose the one we like. So we have that to look forward to at the end of the episode. And mentioning Russo right now, that reminded me I did want to sing one thing. Rene Russo is in the line of fire. Now I could have picked other actors. It could have been.

John Mahoney is in the line of fire. But I liked Rene Russo. Oh, that's good. Most, most of all. What's your classic Russo role? Rollso. I would think the one in Thomas Crown Affair because she's such a badass in that movie. Matty, I've never seen it. You haven't? I've never seen the Thomas Crown Affair. Why didn't I pick it for this? Have you seen the original?

I've never seen the original. I've only seen a bit of the original and they're very different. Like I said, The Thomas Crown Affair is just like this movie in where you just watch it on a Friday night with your loved one. And you just want to be swept away but not asked a lot of you. It's so funny. Yeah. The thing you're describing, I'll think about it in terms of like after Return of the Jedi.

I think that's like the end of a certain run of blockbuster movies from like Jaws to Return of the Jedi. There's like a good eight year chunk of like genre movies. That could be B, but they make them at the level of A, and then they're like global. Yeah. Which we'll never see the likes of them again. That's true. Yeah. Maybe we will, but we haven't for a while. And then when that ended and that type of filmmaker.

moved on to other types of movies, more mature movies or whatever, less genre, maybe go back every once in a while. Another era started from like 84 to... probably like the year of In the Line of Fire, like 93, around there, of you can build a new blockbuster out of... other parts of other blockbusters. So this has, and it's even in the Castle Rock repertoire, they do political stuff.

By the way, this is the most apolitical political movie I've ever seen. I know. They don't even mention the party of the candidate. It's incredible how well, not only how well they skirt it, but you're not left kind of going like... what's the deal here? Yeah. You're not even left going like, Oh, he's obviously this. They're just not saying they don't even do that. Cause you're not watching all the president's men, you know, you're just watching Clint Eastwood. Yes, that's right. That's right.

Um, but it's like got the, um, Castle Rock, you know, made like a few good men and an American president. And then they also did, um, like, uh, uh, um. romantic comedies like when Harry met Sally and then they also did like obsessed thriller movies like Misery and this feels like Castle Rock just took like a little bit of A Few Good Men, a little bit of When Harry Met Sally, and a little bit of Misery. Yeah.

play Misty for me, you know, the same kind of thing of like the, and then put them together to build like the ultimate movie. So you got like either really fun, thriller, actiony adventure parts, or. some good intrigue, or some just good old-fashioned romance, Matt. Oh, and the way it all worked out, too, because the casting what-ifs, I don't think... It's rare when you go, they got it. They got it right. Because...

Dustin Hoffman was in... attached to this film for a long time thank you as always to the spectacular uh Brantley Palmer spectacular notes where I found out yeah that Dustin Hoffman was uh originally um going to play yeah and the cast didn't leave of his own accord but a new exec came in and had a feud him yes david putnam yeah i read a whole book about david putnam really was it good Was it from Putnam Publishing? It was from Pendant Publishing from Seinfeld. But he was a...

Big, hoity-toity, British. movie producer who did prestige, classy movies, i.e. boring as shit movies. Eat that, England. He just did Oscar bait movies. chariots of fire i was just gonna say i was a chariots of fire i didn't even know that okay yeah and then columbia in the mid 80s um hired david putnam to run a studio and it was like the first time in a long time where

an outside producer who'd never run a studio was brought in. And he comes in throwing his weight around all pretentious saying, we'll never make a Ghostbusters sequel. Right. He's like, I know people want that at Columbia. I'm not interested. And he had a controversial banquet once where he said, Bill Murray doesn't give back to the movies. He just takes. And then that like. Interesting. But on both those notes, I find some common ground. But he had beef.

with both Dustin Hoffman. I knew this even before Brantley's Notes with Dustin Hoffman. What was his beef about? I forget. I read it somewhere. He had a beef with... Dustin Hoffman and Warren Beatty. Warren Beatty, I know it happened. That's right. And with Warren Beatty, it was that.

Reds and Chariots of Fire were up against each other for Best Picture. And I think they had a little bit of a pissing match. Interesting. Warren Beatty was considered for this role. Yes. For Frank Harrigan. Yes. And Ishtar. You know, might not have been a great movie and might not have been a blockbuster, but it was really hampered by the fact that David Putnam.

took over Columbia after Ishtar had already been greenlit and he hated Warren Beatty and Dustin Hoffman. So he put it out in the press, all this stuff about Ishtar. He did all that? I mean, it was a, there's been movies that were over budget and over scheduled many times, but they don't have the person from the own studio going out and like talking shit about the person. Damn. So when I read like, oh, he,

He was the guy who was like, Dustin Hoffman was like circling around in the line of fire. And then he was like, no, no, no, no. And Dustin Hoffman had this like. acclaimed sort of run with Columbia Pictures movies like Kramer vs. Kramer and Tootsie. So it was a big deal to lose one of their crown jewels. Wow. But yeah, I was... I didn't know the production history of this, that it was written in the early 80s and kind of floated around to different studios. The Kennedy element wasn't...

part of it. It's like probably conceived for a younger actor. I have a hard time imagining Dustin Hoffman in this role, even just running alongside and having that kind of secret service energy that Clint Eastwood so naturally carries with him. Yes. I mean...

Dustin Hoffman, a lot of times, nowadays he says he doesn't take roles where he has to hold a gun. He's turned down roles where his character is supposed to be toting a gun. So with this, it would have been... I mean, Outbreak, another Wolfgang Peterson movie, came out a few years later, but I'm trying to think of a straight... action, I mean, marathon man. Yeah, but even in that, he's like, what do I do with this gun? He's reluctant. Billy Bathgate.

I don't know. Does he have a gun in that? Because he's a gangster, right? Oh, yeah. He should have a gun in that. If he doesn't, he's a bad gangster. As Mumbles and Dick Tracy. Yeah. I don't know. But he was also... For the longest time attached to play Deckard in Blade Runner. Really? That been something? See that I could, it'd be very different, but I could see it. I just can't imagine him in this movie.

As it stands now. Yeah, I can't. He's just, what if in the line of fire, he played Tootsie? Would that help you believe? So like, he's running next to the car as Dorothy. Yeah, that would help. That would help. Yeah. Or he plays the Rene Russo role. As Dorothy. As Dorothy. And Clint Eastwood is... Frank, and he falls in love with Dorothy. Yeah, that works for me. He could have also been the assassin.

That I would have bought. Definitely. Yeah, because there was a lot of names tossed around for that as well, including Jack Nicholson, Vincent D'Onofrio was apparently cast. Yeah, cast and then moved around. But when this movie came out... I was 12 and fully logged on to the movie world. And this was the same summer as Jurassic Park and Last Action Hero and stuff.

Okay. And had a subscription to Entertainment Weekly was like on this. And John Malkovich, I remember the main thing that was being talked about was like, ooh, Malkovich is doing a popcorn movie. That was like the big thing, right? In Brantley's notes, I love this. He himself was like, I don't normally do this. His quote was like, I normally do something has the stench of art about it or something like that. Yes, I highlighted it.

I used to think he was so up his own ass, but he really seems aware of, he still would do his thing. But even when you hear the story about when... Frank is hanging on the roof and he puts the gun in his own mouth. That he improvised that. But that apparently Clint Eastwood laughed when that happened. And that's why you see John Malkovich smile because he's seeing Clint Eastwood laugh. And all he wanted to do.

He was talking about baseball on the set. And also when you see him in Saturday Night Live too, you realize the guy's got a lot of good humor. He's not one of those self-serious method types, which... I think I can abide method acting as long as they're not asking everybody to bow down to their bullshit, which it doesn't seem like he does. No, and he's got to have a sense of humor if he...

Stars in being John Malkovich, right? This is what he said when he first read the script. I first read In the Line of Fire and I thought, oh, I don't know if I can do this. It struck me as so... Point of ellipsis. popular. You know, a kind of popular divertissement, which don't get me wrong. I mean, that's what I go see. Dirty Harry. But everything I have ever done had the stench of art to it.

one way or another. See, so often in popular entertainment, you're sort of dealing with icons and archetypes and prototypes and et cetera, et cetera. This is the part I liked. And see, I... I don't really know how to do that per se because I only play a normal person, you know? So that was odd for me to have a gun and, you know, run. and i can hear him saying that tongue in cheek like yeah yeah but yes and he is really funny in the um

Saturday Night Live. I remember that sketch he did where he's the Driftwood artist. Len Tukwila. You remember the character's name? It was always, it was featured on the 50th anniversary special, which I videoed. taped and had watched a million times. I watched that 15th anniversary special. I love it. That little Chevy Chase opening where he puts on the helmet and they do the cowboy switch. Yeah, that's right. The Texas switch. The Texas switch. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But because Malkovich did more kind of grown-up movies, I think the Driftwood sketch was my first... taste of Malkovich. Yeah. And even in that, he's so dead serious. Yes. Yes. What's going on here? Yes. Isn't he wearing like biking shorts? Yes. And he's got like a long ponytail. And then I remember when he... Dude, sorry, I think the second time we hosted, they did a spoof of Mice and Men where Disney was like, made it, came in and reworked it because they were like, can it be two Lenny's?

It's Chris Farley. And it's just the two of them killing different animals and hiding them. I did remember that. Oh, that reminds me. Rabbit death reminded me of a joke I wanted to make in the last episode about Patriot games. Yeah.

i was like you know we were talking there's so many fatal attraction things yeah like ann archer one child one daughter right that when uh thora birch started feeding her goldfish i was like oh better look out for those goldfish yeah somebody's gonna come in and cook them oh my god so i'm glad i remembered that

I am too. I'm very glad. Now, Matt, we haven't even done the intro for this show. I know. We got so excited. Take it away. Oh, you're listening to With Gorley and Rust, a podcast where two buddies hang out and talk about movies. in a relaxed and easy fashion, which is kind of in contrast with the movies, which are very not relaxed. Yeah. They can be very tense. Yes. Is that what a ballast does? No.

In a way, I think it's like a weight to keep something deep enough in water, like displacing water. I don't know about that. But that's basically right. We're deeper than the movies we watch, I think is what you're trying to say. Definitely. And I'm Paul Rust. I'm Matt Gourley. And if you guys like the podcast, you can check us out at patreon.com backslash with Gourley and Rust.

And we do bonus episodes. We do a mailbag episode every month, a commentary every month. Why just today, the commentary for Force 10 from Navarro came out. Oh, I haven't even looked. How's it going? I haven't taken a look either. I just know it went up today. Yeah, that's right. That was a fun one. That was a fun one watching that. Oh my goodness. I love that. It's a fave of Matt's. Yeah. And I had never seen it. Yeah. So it was like...

you were like the tour guide of the Grand Canyon. And I was like the tourist who showed up and it was like, and you're like, don't sit on that donkey. I got some great donkeys you should ride. So you got me on a good donkey for Forest Head from Navarone. And that was voted on by the... Yeah, God bless the trustees who are all the Patreon subscribers who voted that in. You've done... You made me happy. You made me proud. Yeah. And also, if you're a trustee and you sign up...

At the highest level, we read your name. And then this live stream that we got going on right here. We'll read some names today. It's a beautiful day, actually. We got the doors open today. If you hear some birds chirping, it's like the old days. of COVID. Remember that summer of Jaws when we would sit out in those lawn chairs? Oh, yeah. Summer of Jaws. This summer is the 50th anniversary of Jaws. That's right. Wow. I hope they do some fun stuff. Any plans? That'd be cool if like...

The shark that Jaws was based on finally came out of hiding and did interviews. To show that he had eaten Andy Kaufman. And Elvis. Everyone comes out of hiding. Ironically, not Natalie Wood. No. Yeah, that would be the better. Is there any theories that she's still alive? Is that a conspiracy? No, I think she was buried. I think her body was found and buried. We don't have to go into that. That's okay. I'm sorry. I took it. No. But in the late 80s, remember how big the joke was of...

An Elvis sighting. That was just like every talk show monologue had an Elvis sighting. Every tabloid cover. Yeah. And didn't they even do one where he was in the exact position of Bigfoot, like walking through the woods in his jumpsuit, but his hands were, you know, to his sides. I always thought it was so weird because it was like, it's not like...

Elvis was a die young and leave behind a good looking corpse sort of death. It was like he was. How old was he? He was kind of young, right? Yeah. 30s or 40s. 40s yeah if he hit the scene in like 55 right and was probably what 25 at the time let's say yeah um he was born in 1930 died in 77. So yeah, he was like in his mid to late 40s. Uh-oh.

I'm inching up on Elvis death years. Oh yeah, I've already lived Elvis. If I come in in a white satin suit with a big tummy mat and then I excuse myself to your bathroom, just knock on the door every once in a while for me. I won't allow you to go in. eating a fried banana and peanut butter sandwich or whatever. I might have told this story before, but the day Elvis died, my sister was about six weeks old, my middle sister Anne.

And my oldest sister, Amy, would have been just under three. She was about to turn three. And my mom took my two sisters to the grocery store. And one of those doors that... is automatic. It opens and closes. My sister was wearing an open-toed shoe and the door came and swept off her toenail. Oh my God. Ripped it off. Oh my God. Yeah.

So my mom is like running home, driving home, trying to stop my sister's toe from bleeding. And my sister Ann is like a baby and she's like screaming and crying. And my mom. gets home, has my one sister whose toe is bleeding in one arm, my other sister who's like wailing and crying in the other arm trying to get into the house. And our next door neighbor stepped out and said,

Jeannie, did you just hear Elvis died? And my mom was like, who gives a shit about Elvis Presley died? I got other things to worry about. She didn't say that, of course, but in her mind, she was like... Jeannie gives a shit. Yeah, yeah. But that's a... Sometimes what I think of when I hear about any kind of celebrity death, it's like, what am I dealing with in my life right now? Right. Do I really care about... Well, John Lithgow died this morning, right? I'm kidding!

I don't watch the news so you could tell me that and I wouldn't I knew you were joking. Yeah. A friend called me up once at like junior high and I was like, did you hear John Lithgow died? I was like, really? He's like, no, but you believe it, right? I know. I used to do that to my mom with Peter Jennings for some reason.

And then he did die kind of young. Yes, he did. And then when I told her it was a real cry wolf situation. Yeah, your mom was like, uh-huh. Right. Right. Deep, deep, deep. Hello, Peter. Peter. Peter. Peter. She had his direct line. They had one of those hotlines that didn't even have buttons. You know why he died young? Because he didn't graduate from high school. He didn't? He's a high school dropout. Was he really? From Canada.

But I guess there's a lot of Canadian high school dropouts who find success. But he didn't go to college and study journalism? I don't think so. Maybe he did. Maybe I'm making all of this up, but I'm just besmirching the name of a Jennings. You're thinking of Waylon Jennings. Yes, I'm sorry. of Outlaw Cowboy. One of my favorites. Would that be a good, the Jennings brothers. And it's like Peter and Waylon. Yeah. And you think Waylon's going to be the wild one, but it's Peter.

That's right. The Canadian crazy. And wasn't there like, who is it? William Bryant Jennings? Who dat? Is that his name? The guy who's like... There's no different than believing in God. You could believe in a toaster and... and I can't prove that it's real or not. He said that? Something like that. I'm going to kick that guy's ass. How dare he? Who am I thinking of? I don't know. Don't worry about it. I won't edit it out, but edited it out as a listener.

What about the death of Jessica Savage? Who's that? She was one of the first. women broadcasters uh who came to prominence in like the late 70s early 80s the um Christina Applegate character in Anchorman is loosely based on her. And the Up Close and Personal movie with Michelle Pfeiffer was originally supposed to be this Joan Didion.

scripted movie that was like about the dark true history of Jessica Savage and then they changed it up and made it so friendly they actually changed the name and now she's not Jessica Savage anymore but she was like You know, faced probably a lot of obstacles and then had a drinking problem. And you can go on YouTube and see a couple video clips where she seems a little soused on doing like Saturday evening.

network news. And then she died in a car accident. She was leaving a bar with her boyfriend and they... skidded into a ditch and it was filled driving maybe yeah and it was filled with mud and the car flipped over on her side and she drowned in this like muddy car but um so I'll See your Natalie Wood death and raise you Jessica Savage death here.

In terms of how to put this to a grinding halt. Well, let's just take it home with Jack Cassidy. Have you ever heard about how he died smoking a cigarette in bed or something like that? Yes, because I remember the joke. that the Hollywood death tour van that I went on. Natalie Wood had a joke. Do you remember that joke? Yes. What kind of what doesn't float? Yeah. The Jack Cassidy one I heard. We drove by the apartment where he burnt himself up. And the guy, the tour guide said.

Yes, Jack Cassidy made a real ash of himself. When was this that you were A, on this tour, and B, this joke was being made about Jack Cassidy, who would even remember him? When was this? This would have been 2010, maybe? That's still too... far out oh yes I agree and I'm not one who's like I hate it when people dump things down for a younger audience but I barely know who Jack Cassidy is and I found out about him later in life not because I remembered him

If I had to guess, it was probably because the Hollywood tour is like in a certain neighborhood. And they're like, hey, we could just go up the street here and go by the Jack Cassidy apartment. But what was so tonally wild about this. death tour was that they would... I mean, maybe it's comedy. Tragedy plus time equals comedy for these people. But they would do a lame dad joke.

Jack Cassidy death, ash of himself. And then like 10 minutes later, they would drive by the hotel where Whitney Houston died in and be like, Whitney Houston died here. And then... Very like reverently play. I will always love you. It's like, wait, when, when does she become a joke? Oh my God. When's the, just pick a tone here. The other funny thing. I think I've said before, this is the one where we went, we drove by the Menendez brothers house and it takes place on Elbe drive.

And he said, oh, no, that's why they say the Menendez house was the nightmare on Elm. It's like, nice try there. He wouldn't say because it's Elm Street. Why wouldn't he say that? Because it was on Elm Drive. Oh, my God. Thank God he's being factually respecting. The street, but not any of the deceased. But it had the strangest cadence. Like I'll make my wife Leslie laugh just by going nightmare on Elm. pause Friday the 13th I may have told this before but

The day that Whitney Houston died, we were doing a live Super Ego show. And sometimes in the Super Ego show, we'd show a video short. And one of them was this supermarket thing we used to do called Leffingwell Grocers. And it ends with... Whitney Houston, I will always love you. But we had made it before she died. And we were like, I don't remember why we felt we had to do it. There was some reason. I don't know. But we were like, do we?

scrambled to take it out. And Paul, just very wisely, Paul F. Tompkins goes out there and goes, look, later in this show, you're going to see something. It doesn't... pan out that great right now after certain recent events, but just know that we didn't... We had it already baked in and you're going to know it when you see it. And it wasn't our intention. It was such a great way to handle it. And when it did happen, people were not laughing at the death or laughing at her.

They all just like roared with recognition because they were all waiting for this moment. That's why PFT is a consummate entertainer. He knew that people's brains synapses would fire off and they'd go, oh, that's the thing he was referring to. That's good. That's good. You could have also spotted that it was like, we're going to see a video later. It ended with one song, but we wanted to pay tribute to a megastar. We're going to use her words for her saying, we will always love her.

And we believe the children are the future. Yeah. Well, Whitney Houston, bodyguard. In the light of fire. Similar, huh? Similar worlds. Yeah, I think that kind of, this was the era for that kind of, what would you call that? I mean, just like the... The white knight savior. I don't mean that in the politically correct term it's used today, but just that kind of modern day.

Samurai. Yes, yes. The era that this comes from is like really interesting in terms of its political snapshot because it was filmed in October, started filming in October 92. So it's a month before the 92 elections, but then it comes out in summer 93. So it's like six months after the Clinton inauguration. And they're using footage from a Clinton rally. Yes, correct.

very high-tech computer digital effects to put Traveler in, which they hadn't really done much of before, and to duplicate crowds. Yes, yes. And so, yeah, the kind of like... When Malkovich and I'm sorry, what's his name? What's the character's name? Frank Arrigan. Frank, yes. But what's Malkovich's name? Leary? Leary. What's his first name? I forget. Tom? I guess they call him Booth for a while, too. That, like...

They both kind of have this, like, you and I are a lot alike. We both hate what this country has become. Yeah. Like, who are you talking about? And... give it time. Wait till you see what it's going to become. Yes. Yes. Yeah. I mean, the comparison between this and like, um, if you did like, like civil war, that movie that came out like last year.

the president is like the guy they're trying to take out yeah um it's a lot like um apocalypse now it's like the president is like kurtz and they have to go in but that's a far cry from in the light of fire. It's quaint. When you're like Clinton and George W. Bush, I mean, George Bush, those are your... diametrically opposed sides. Yeah. Man, what I wouldn't give. But I noticed with this, the president, they did make him soft looking. Yeah. Wolfgang Peterson, like...

four years, five years later, does Air Force One. And if Harrison Ford had been the president in the line of fire, you'd be like, well, why has he even got a neat secret service? The only way I can describe the president in this movie is a Democrat Pence. Yes. Like a soft pence. Yes, yes, yes. Soft pence. I thought he looked like... Were they, when they were originally casting this, did they think Songus...

Paul Songus was possibly going to win. Mondale or something. Yeah, yeah. Because he's sort of like balding and shorter. They don't make him like... Yeah, he's almost like Truman. He looks without the glasses. Yes, that's right. Yeah. And then you got Clint Eastwood, whose whole character is, you know, the antiquated, even for the time, masculine.

dude who... I mean, they get the two years before GoldenEye, they get the you're a dinosaur. Yeah, I know. And what is it about this movie? Because I do... cringe a little, even though in the movie he's being called out for how silly he is. But...

I think if it weren't Clint Eastwood and it weren't this movie, it would be so much harder to take. And watching Clint Eastwood do it, it's not like you're going, oh, you old dog, I forgive you. You irascible curmudgeon. You're just like, nah, this is... you're just able to watch it in the context it's supposed to be watched in because it's not being celebrated but at the same time you're like it's funny though the like sexual harassment in the workplace yeah uh is like, they do call it out.

in the movie you know they're kind of like hey Frank we don't talk like that anymore you know when he's like but they're like begrudgingly yeah and like Rene Russo never says like cut it out she's always like why is it as soon as I start liking you you gotta be obnoxious you cutie you know it's all don't ever change but and you know on a sensitivity level

that runs counter to how I view life. So when I see this movie, I'm kind of like, eh, don't like it. A guy who was probably a secret serviceman for Kennedy is... if he was still sticking around, he probably would have some of these hangups. As probably Clint might have too. Well, yes, yes. I also like that he was a hero. for helping John F. Kennedy like cheat. They're like, you helped hide John F. Kennedy and then you got fired without pay for a month, hero. Which is a far cry from...

Absolute Power, which in that one, he witnesses the president having an affair and murdering Monica Lewinsky or whatever. Because he's a jewel thief, Matt. he's a thief and he goes inside into the cucks into like a cucks like closet where I can sit to watch my wife have sex with men, but it's Gene Hackman having sex with his mistress and he witnesses it. But, uh, uh, what was I say with, uh, Oh, with Clint Eastwood.

You know, on a sensitivity level, I'm like, this doesn't really line up. But also just on like a character story level, it runs counter to it because his whole thing in this is like. I was a fuck up. I didn't take things as seriously as I should. Get me back in there so I can do this seriously. But then he's like on Air Force One, like flirting with her. And she's like touching his face and stuff. I'm like.

Y'all still aren't being professional here. Because that wasn't even in the room of professional. That's just fine. But it's so weird because he still doesn't have his eye on the prize. No, no. sexual harassment, he should just not even do that on a basis of like, you take your job seriously. I don't even think that was part of considering whether you're taking your job seriously. That was just like...

Maybe it was in the final outright throws. I don't know. I mean, it was a couple of years after Clarence Thomas. Right. And it's not like he's making jokes about...

pubes on Coke cans, but he is in front of her colleagues being like, oh, the secretaries are a lot foxier now. Well, it kind of corresponds with how the heightened... drama slash melodrama of this movie is like they're heightening the sexual harassment everything's a little bit movified yes that's true because we weren't living in the same times we are now they're amplifying

something that we wouldn't amplify today, even to show that it was bad. I guess they do in certain cases. But what I'm even more fascinated with is Clint Eastwood, you know, the chair thing at the Republican convention. Right. He's... weathered all that. That was a pretty weird thing. And he was in politics. Yeah, he was the mayor of Carmel. Mayor by this point. Republican mayor of Carmel. And not because he was Republican should he ever, I think, face any... punishment in a free society.

But he did go kooky for a while. And then that seems to have been like any actor still seems to want to work with him in a movie. And that's saying something about him, I think, in this day and age where people are so afraid to work with someone who might be tarred with that kind of thing. His reputation and like, because he's had such a long storied career, I do think he deserves to like have a few missteps like everybody should. And he wasn't like...

doing anything cancelable. He was just really, it was really weird. It was so weird that you thought like, I would be more concerned like, should I work for a director if I was an actor? who's so kooky, like what kind of film is he going to make if he's doing this weird thing talking to a chair with no one in it? Yeah, is he going to make me do a scene where I talk to a chair? I know. This weirdo.

Yeah, I feel like his movies, and hey, this is cool. This is the first time we get to talk about Eastwood in our podcast. And he's 92, is that right? Is he? Yeah.

Oh, okay. And just finished directing a movie. Yeah, Juror number 92. It was named after his age. Did you see Juror 2? I did it. I did. What'd you think? You know, it was... good enough like I really it's a movie in this vein it's a little more serious in tone but just a movie you don't get anymore so I was really grateful to have that kind of thing yeah I didn't love the way it kind of turned out but it was a good concept and i heard they're making a sequel

Yeah. Where it's about another Juror 2 who's also a ballerina. It's called Juror 2 2. Yes, that's right. I think it's going to be a failure. And you know they're doing a sequel to that? Are they? Runaway Juror 2 2. Well, I can't wait for that. But yeah, with Clint Eastwood, I feel like this filmography in general is kind of like... rides a line between like is this movie conservative or is it

Is it right or left? And that's how Clint kind of is. Yeah, yeah. I think maybe ultimately he actually... Over time, not at the Republican convention, but over time, maybe he's a centrist. Because he had a little left-leaning, slight-leaning period, too. Juror number two, do you know that story about how I got basically like buried by Zaslav? Yeah. People really came to his defense.

He's one of those rare people that not only does he get to be seen in his full spectrum as humans should be, people seem to take him that way. I wish... The world was a little bit more like that these days. Yeah. You know, you could make a... I don't mean in terms of personal life. I just mean in terms of how their careers shape and stuff to like... Maybe the comparison for him is Woody Allen because they're both hyper-prolific filmmakers who would churn out...

one, sometimes two movies a year that they directed. And so they had to have some sort of work ethic. to be able to continue making movies. For Clint Eastwood, it was just he does one take. Yeah, and if you watch Woody Allen movies, they're a lot of times all in one. there's very little cutting. And I thought that was, and it is a stylistic choice, but Woody Allen has also said, oh, I realized if I did coverage.

these movies, I wouldn't be able to make a movie a year. So like Crimes and Misdemeanors has these like amazing, just like performances that are all in like one take, but the camera's kind of moving around in a tight little apartment and stuff. It's pretty cool, but that they're both. similarly aged, similarly prolific, and also seem to have some sort of, not the case with Woody Allen anymore, but just like legendary status where...

any actor would kind of like fall over to work with this person because their body of work existed before they were actors or something. I don't know.

Yeah, I'm always a little surprised when the new Clint Eastwood movie comes out and the actors he's gotten, not because of any semi-problematic stuff he's done, but it's more, what was the last good movie he made? I didn't see The Mule, but I remember watching... grand torino and not loving it it was pretty silly um yeah i mean i remember seeing um in the theater

and just rolling my eyes at Mystic River. There was a point where his... Was that his last really well-received movie, Million Dollar Baby? Billion dollar maybe? Yeah. I mean, the last movie he made that I would say is... great is maybe like Unforgiven or something like I know that there's been lots of movies yeah since then but this Hello. Well, he just is an actor in this, though. I mean, that's what's pretty cool about this is that in Brantley's notes, it said this was the first movie.

He did for a studio that wasn't Warner Brothers since Escape from Alcatraz in the late 70s with Paramount. And the first movie he acted in. but didn't direct since Pink Cadillac. And the only time he's done it since then is Trouble with the Curve. has there ever been an actor in the like late 20th century 21st century that has had such a connection with the studio as clint eastwood and a filmmaker with warner brothers and that's why this thing with zaz love where he made juror number two

And Zaslav just all but shelved it. I know. After this storied partnership. And I think that's what people were... It was indicative of how people were seeing streaming in general, but also Zaslav and how he ran what he's done by hiding the... batgirl movie and the acme versus coyote movie that's apparently amazing just because what they don't want to pay for the marketing or the licensing or something and that these movies were sitting on a shelf finished

And they did this to Clint Eastwood when they could just... Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, that you wouldn't just roll out the red carpet for this person who's made... 30 plus movies for the studio that they're still releasing and making money off of. I mean, like every what five years, there's a new dirty, hairy box set or something that they can.

print money, you know, just by selling. And then like, yeah, that you wouldn't just do a basic rollout for what could possibly be like Clint Eastwood's last movie. which is like wild statistically likely. Yeah. You know, yeah. I wonder if actors work with him too. Cause yeah, I've wondered that where it's like, Oh, American sniper was a big one for him. I'm not saying it was great, but that was a big one.

And Tom Hanks talks about how his experience on Sully wasn't very pleasant because he wanted more bites at the apple. That's what I would think an actor would be resistant to working with Quinn Eastwood. It's like, oh shit, I only get like... a take or two each time. Because even in this movie, when he's working with Wolfgang Peterson, and after a take, he'd be like, Wolfgang Peterson would say, great.

Let's go again. And he'd say, well, if it's great, why do we got to go again? What did he also say? Like, was it in focus? Yes. Then you got it. I've heard somebody was telling me they recently watched. Clint Eastwood movie where they could tell the actors weren't fully like off book yet. Like that there was delays and like performance. And so why somebody just wouldn't want to.

Get a couple more tanks just to like, you spend all this time and money to finally get to set and shoot it. Then you just like move on quickly. It's really bizarre. But is there anything? And then the American sniper with the little baby. Yeah, the plastic baby. Plastic baby.

There was a part of me that would love to do a Clint Eastwood movie because I would treat it like a play. I would go, the pressure would be on knowing that I only got one or two takes, so I have to get this. And I love that he keeps... Well, banker's hours. Yes, yes, yes. And I think probably that, you know, maybe some actors are like, hey, I'd like to have it easy. But it seems like a director.

like Darren Aronofsky, can keep making movies because every other movie usually wins the actor an Oscar. And so I think that's a lot of times how a director can just keep working. They can keep... attracting in talent who are like well if i work with him then i get an oscar yeah so like mystic river million dollar baby um unforgiven those are all like sniper yeah yeah

winning or nominated roles. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that little plastic baby in American Sniper got nominated for Best Supporting Fake Baby. Yeah. I went to a SAG screening where that baby spoke and it was... Actually, the baby was moderating because it wasn't a big enough. Well, was it moderating? I thought Bradley Cooper was behind it, just kind of moving its arms to make it look like it was. Turns out that did happen. It was quite a scandal.

You know, to just share another thought about Clint Eastwood, that is like, he's like... His face and head is like carved for movies. It was like made for movies. His eyes, his jawline, his physique. And he's a sexy guy. Yeah, but he's weathered. And weathered. Yeah. And he definitely has the qualities of the men want to be him, women want to be with him. Yeah. So...

It makes all kinds of sense that he's like a movie star, but he's not a good actor. He's just not very good. I mean, he does like what's serviceable, but like. There's sometimes I'm watching a Clint Eastwood movie and I delight in his kind of like woodenness and not in a snotty way. I'm just like, it's charming.

That scene where they thought he had a heart attack and they have to wake him up from his nap. Now look, waking up is the hardest thing an actor probably has to like make look real. Especially in that context. But Jesus Christ, that was like... It doesn't help that they're... Cutting and editing. By the way, this thing was nominated for an Editing Academy Award. A POV shot of his hands.

pushing people away. Yes. That was so wild. There was a couple of moments of those shots that I thought were very strange. Yes. And that's where you, that's what I'm saying. Like you're not getting a drama here. You're getting a Wolfgang Peterson. blockbuster where you're getting insert shots, POV of your hand pushing people's faces away. I also like that this is our first Eastwood, but our second Wolfgang Peterson. What was the first one? Shattered.

That's right. Yeah. We got to go back and see if those have any POV push away shots. Yes. Yes. I mean, I know there was definitely Bob Hoskins at a pet store shots. Yeah. Yeah. Also, the character actors in this movie, in the line of fire, the regular who's who. I mean, there was a scene once where it's like... Gary Cole next to John Mahoney next to Rene Russo and Dylan McDermott and Clint Eastwood. I'm like, wow, what a... And then Fred Thompson walks in just...

A bunch of that guy. What's the guy, the cold opening in this movie? And we might as well get into it because I just love that. It might as well be a Bond film where you have a little cold opening. Oh, yes. What's that guy's name? Tobin Bell. Tobin Bell. Who's Jigsaw. Yes. Yes. I mean, I've said this before. My friend DJ watched Judd Dread, the Stallone one. The next day, he's talking to me about Judd Dread. He's like, I watched Judd Dread last night on TV. And he's like...

It opens, you know, like a lot of these movies do, where you show him on the case of a different thing that never comes back. It's just the way to show that he's a good cop. He's like a badass. And my friend DJ was like, I would love for a movie at the very end after the main bad guy's taken down and it's the ending of the movie. There's 10 more minutes where you just see one more case. I would take a movie of 10, 10 minute cases. Yeah. Tobin Bell.

I'm going to try to reenact this. This is why you should subscribe at the baby xenomorph level because you're only going to see this on streaming. This is a little something for you guys. I'm going to try to recreate the look at the end of that scene. when Frank pulls out his badge and shows Tobin Bell that he's a secret service. So will you pull out the badge? Yes. I'll use my phone as the badge. Hey, I'm secret service. His face is like...

He's gotten his shoes complimented or something. It's like he's not playing bum that he's going to go to jail for the rest of his life. He's just like, that's the neatest magic trick I've ever seen, man. And I got to hand it to you. Game, respect, game. That's the whole point of that scene, right? Is that like... Not only do men want to be him, women want to be with him. Tobin Bell. Tobin Bell is like flattered that he's been caught. I don't know if I want to imitate you or seduce you. Yeah.

And I love, I mean, talk about movie, movie stuff. Just like, I mean, this is like a page from Dirty Harry movies, like that he's a veteran cop. but also a veteran actor. And then the rookie he's with is a rookie cop, but also a rookie actor. So whatever the little sparks you get from that combo. This isn't a... A, B movie. You know what I mean? It's a B movie, but like you said, brought up to A status. And the little details that make that the case is when he pulls the trigger.

And it's not loaded, the gun. And then after the whole thing, what I think a B movie, and in its own right, it's funny too, would have done was had Frank Harrigan say, I could tell by the weight that there was no bullets in the gun. But instead, Dylan McDermott says it. He goes, what? You could tell by the weight there was no gun in it? Well...

it might've had one bullet. Yeah. So it's still not giving you totally of like, was he just ready to gamble with this guy's life. And he's a complete and total asshole to him too. Because the whole first scene they have is him saying, you know, I had to drop my...

kid off to school and so many tears, which I have been in that circumstance. And I think if I was sitting in a car with someone who was like, I don't fucking care. Don't be late. I would quit day one and go right back to that school. Right. Because what does Cody used to say? Like, are you done making excuses? Yes. After McDermott was like...

My kid cried about how he wished we'd never moved here and we still lived in Chicago. Yeah, that would be like a bummer of a whole day. That's my only complaint. I think literally my only complaint of this movie is not a complaint. I actually wish that Dylan McDermott wouldn't die. And not because it's cliche that this guy with his kid and his wife dies. You could see that coming a mile away. It's that you really do like this guy. And I am...

And I wonder if originally he wasn't supposed to die because then Josh Molina shows up in later... In the film, it plays essentially the same role of just a younger guy that's kind of driving him around. I wonder if he was meant to live at some point. The waiting, like W-E-I-G-H-T-I-N-G, of those side characters is my... only real complaint about this movie, which is like Dylan McDermott is strongly introduced in the beginning, disappears when Rene Russo is introduced.

then when they go back to the Dylan McDermott stuff, when he's like back on the, when they're on the case, trying to solve the mystery of what's going on in Arizona and stuff. Renee Russo sort of drops to the background. And then when she reappears at the age, you're kind of like, oh yeah, what? You've never seen them in the same room. Russo is McDermott. But yeah, like.

That seemed a little like he had a partner and he had a love interest who was his partner and they're trying to do both. You can always tell the vestiges of when a script has been... developed over a period of time, that certain parts are not paid the attention that they need to be paid when the changes are being happened. So you get to a point where everybody's like, okay, yeah, that works. And you forgot, oh, there's these B-level things that...

haven't been fully given their due. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I mean, I'll give credit. I do think Castle Rock as a production company, mini studio or whatever. they have some of the best for that time period before like indie movies kind of shook things up and showed that you could write scripts in a more interesting way. I do think they're like...

They wouldn't start making a movie unless they felt like the script was in top form. And so they had like William Goldman either writing their scripts or punching up a lot of stuff. Castle Rock discovered Aaron Sorkin, whether you love him or hate him. an accomplished writer and so and then they produced Seinfeld and so like they recognized hey Larry David is a talent I do think like Rob Reiner having

a certain level of power and then a certain level of taste meant that they were actually getting really great movies made during this time period. And in the line of fire, like a couple of misgivings, like. you know, maybe one too many, we trace the phone call scenes. But outside of that, I'm like, this is just like a top shelf Hollywood movie script. And when you break down though, the like, okay, let's go to the Pasadena Arts Center.

Because he's got a modeling magazine for remote control cars. And then this guy's like, yeah, I've seen him. But who you really want to talk to in the... model world is this guy in Arizona who knows everybody in the Phoenix area model community. Wild, wild. And that at that Pasadena art school, this one-off...

John Hurd. I know. This movie's full of that. What the hell? And usually it was something like that when like, I mean, John Hurd was just like six months out from playing the dad in Home Alone 2. Like he's probably at the... Not to say Home Alone 2 is the peak of somebody's career. I'm just saying in terms of his fame, his prominence in movies. To be just the one...

scene character in like a law and order scene where it's like, I'm doing my thing. I even love it. That scene John heard when he's like. talking to the cops, but then he turns to the guy and he goes, good work with this. Pretty good. Pretty good with this. It's pretty good. When somebody's at work, I know John Mulaney has that really funny bit about the person who's like, I'm still doing doc work while I'm talking to them. It was totally procedure TV.

How would he continue to teach and talk about a case in front of all of his students? It's hilarious. But usually when somebody is like a prominent actor like that and they only have one scene in the movie, you can kind of go... Oh, maybe I bet they had like two more scenes and they got cut or something like that. But like in this, there's just no way that this would have existed outside.

favor he called in and was like we're shooting in Pasadena coming down for literally a day now I think that was actually filmed at the Pasadena art school it was at the art center yes because I've gone I had a friend who had an art show Um, she took an art class there and I went and I'm like, I think I've been in that room with the white. Yeah. And then we of course got my beautiful sweet Bonaventure in this.

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Okay. Okay. Matt, we started talking about the movie, but we forgot to do Loco Loco. Oh yeah. Castle Rock. Yeah. The Castle Rock logo is a good one. Yeah. And then the Columbia one, I think that would have been in the line of fire would have been the second. movie with that new Columbia lady. Oh, really? What's the first? The first one is Last Action Hero. In that Benning one? Yes. Yeah.

I just watched What Planet Are You From? The Gary Shanley movie. And that Columbia logo has Annette Bening's face on it. It really does? As a joke. Because she's the star of... What planet are you from? So I think it's like a little in-joke. But I remember sitting in the theater of Last Action Hero and being like, New Columbia logo. Okay, okay. And then they're watching a Jack Slater movie in the movie.

And it's got the old Columbia logo on it. Interesting. But then I think In the Line of Fire was the second movie to come out after Last Action Hero. So that would have been a new fresh Columbia picture. Ooh, and how apropos. Since, you know, it's Columbia as in district of. That's right. Yeah. So they should have actually like sort of like superimposed or like standing over like the White House or something.

But after the boat scene, right, with Jigsaw, we get our first, I think, of three Clint Eastwood sitting at a piano. playing jazzy piano. At one point when he's with Rene Russo, he just takes her to a piano so he could play for her. Can you imagine? I mean, that scene... is it at the Bonaventura yet or is it filmed there? No, it's at that bar, the real bar in DC, which now I really want to go to. Yes. I, um,

I've only been... No, they're in the hotel. That's filmed at the Biltmore. Biltmore. That's it. That's it. Yeah, the Biltmore. That for me was the most like old guy wish fulfillment I ever saw, which was... Rene Russo is just wrapped. She has such great interest in this old man playing an old form of like jazz piano. And...

telling stories about how he told somebody off and she thinks it's cool. I mean, like this is like, yeah. And then I went in and I told that guy. Oh, you did. Well, well, well. So sexy. Never in a million years would I want to do that. to a woman. However, I would like to be in her place while Clint Eastwood does that to me. I'd like to be seduced. So maybe there is something to it. Yes, yes, yes. But there are three scenes of him playing...

It's like an arc. The plain piano scenes. And then it ends with a fourth one where... he's at the bar and it starts just on an empty piano and then pans over to him at the bar drinking to be like, yeah, he's so down and out he can't even play jazz piano. I can't believe the movie didn't end.

Instead, they go to the Lincoln Memorial again. Didn't that seem like a test screening ending where people were like, one of my favorite scenes in the movie was their scene on the... It's one of my favorite scenes in the movie when they're eating ice cream at the Lincoln Memorial. Because... the movie could have ended with John Malkovich's answering machine message of saying like,

goodbye and good luck. And then he's walking away being like, I'm over this. Now I got the love of my life. We're going down the hallway at my apartment to screw, you know, like it could have faded out there, but then it ends. With the back of the memorial steps and him being like, I know pigeons. I know. My whole note on that was, why are they leaving? He can just turn off the machine. They're allowed to stay home. But you mentioned the DC bar scene. Yeah.

I've been to DC twice. I went with a friend. And then the second time I went for like a comedy festival and both times I loved it, man. I love DC. I always want to go there. I've been there. Why is it two or three times? Two for sure. In seventh grade. And then a few years ago when for Pistol Shrimps Radio, we got to podcast the Scripps National Spelling Bee. Oh, really? Yeah. And then we got to just hang out in DC.

I mean, I love that it's like, you know, I'm a grunge boy, man. I like wearing shitty jeans and t-shirts and stuff. But to be in a city where most of the people are like super well-dressed, it's just... Classy. Out of time. Yes. I love it. I love it. I love the air. It's funny because it's like, well, like Disneyland. I should go in and be able to hold on to my cynicism.

But I can't. I know. When I'm there and I'm looking at all these beautiful buildings and stuff. I know. I wonder what it feels like there now. It'd be a little... Oh, with... Well, I mean, we're mega, so I guess it'd be pretty cool. Yeah, I don't know what my concern was. The last time I was there was 2021. It was like early January. It might have been January 6th, 2021. I was there. I was podcasting the insurrection.

Oh, I was there too. We were doing our own separate podcast. That's how we met. That's how we met. That was such a cool day too because I remember I lost my virginity. Really? I still have not. In Nancy Pelosi's office. I went under the desk and hooked up with that guy who'd put his feet up on the desk. The reason...

I still have not lost my virginity, but it's now become important because as a 51-year-old incel, that's what gets me into the highest levels of the MAGA crew. It's like pure clearance. it's like uh uh uh yes uh upside down is right side up in that world so like if you a group of guys thinks it's cool. They just know I'm one of them. When, when Dylan McDermott.

And I'm going to see if I can make it through this whole episode without saying Dermot Mulroney. Yes. I know that's common, but when he's late to pick up Frank in the beginning, I'm going, I'm dead. I'm dead. I'm dead. Man, when people tell you who they are, believe them. Oh, yes. He didn't know he was going to be. He's like, I'm dead. I'm dead. I'm going to get shot in the head by Malkovich. I know it.

looking over a rooftop. It's like, whoa, this guy's just like, Nostradamus here. I liked when that lady, the landlady comes and asks Frank. to come and look at the apartment of her suspicious tenant. That woman who plays the landlady is also the woman in Back to the Future who has the like...

save the clock tower. Like she's the one holding. So I like to think that that woman is just like the inciting incident woman. Yeah. Like if not for her cosmic, it's like, cataclysmic crystallizing linchpin or something yes yeah her face the presence she has like suggests like Adventure awaits for our main character. It's like, hey, you're going to need this piece of paper that says save the clock tower later when you travel into the 50s so you know what to do.

about the lightning strike. And with this, she's like saying, come here, come here, look at this evidence this guy has up on his wall of how he's like a Kennedy fanatic. And then when they go in there, just like. I mean, it's prime psycho den shit, man, of just like the perfectly art directed.

scraps but then also like they want to get in a little Sirhan Sirhan in there too so they just have a quote he wrote down on a piece of paper and you know you live a stone's throw or should I say a gun's throw away from in Pasadena. One of these intersections is where Sirhan Sirhan got his gun. No, I didn't know that. That he used to kill Robert F. Kennedy. It's in Pasadena.

And it's like, it's not really a stone's throw here. It's probably like four miles away or something. Is the store still there that he got it from? It's not a store. It's like he bought it from a private... He bought a gun from a guy who was just like selling a gun and they met at this like street corner to do the exchange. I visited it once. I was listening to a...

a Robert F. Kennedy assassination podcast. And they're like, he met at this corner in Pasadena. Oh my God. Interesting. Now I got to look that up. But even, yes, please. It's funny because at the end. When he's at the hotel and there's shots fired and then the Secret Service run the candidate through the kitchen. He's like, guys, read your history. There's an assassination attempt. Don't take the guy through a...

hotel kitchen. Sirhan Sirhan would love to be there. He would have loved to see you guys make that mistake. Let's see. Nothing's coming up. Serhan Serhan Pasadena. Well, probably a steakhouse would come up, right? Serhan Steaks. So be careful. Like, ignore the first three results because it's just going to be about his... His pop-up. Oh, wait. Would it have been on Molino? Molino's popping in my head, but. Oh, really?

There's something else about Pasadena and Sirhan. Sirhan debate echoes in Pasadena. Residents are unsure if RFK assassin deserves parole, which could make him a neighbor. What did he live in Pasadena? I think so. Whoa. So he just like walked down the street to get this guy's to buy this gun. I think he was maybe, I think he was. Living at somebody's house or something? But wait, people are like, I don't want Sir Hen to be my neighbor. Yeah. Hmm. I do. Not. Not.

When I was saying that this movie is like Day of the Jackal, I retitled it Day of the Wet Boy. wet boy is a term I've never heard I've never heard that either before or after this movie and what's the idea like you know it's like an assassin who the government has used and now he's does wet suggest that he's now not in their ranks or it's like he's always available get his hands wet you know maybe I don't know he paints houses doesn't he yeah that's right because the

Yeah, I like that little wrinkle that he was being used as the CIA as an assassin. Now he's been burned. Also, the... timing of this too that this would have been the 30th anniversary of the JFK assassination and would have been about 18 months after like the big probably last JFK

assassination hurrah with the oliver stone movie that was probably when it was most at the and did you hear trump released all the yeah i haven't i've seen i've just briefly read because that was one news thing that got through to me so i googled it and just that it's going to take a long time for them to go through all of it but has anything been found i looked online i was trying to like i went to a jfk um reddit

I went to a JFK blowed away. What else do I have to say? Convention. Rock and roll. Wait a minute. I guess it was just a Billy Joel concert. But, uh, but yeah, the, um, it seemed a little, um, I mean, it's just a sign of the times, Matt, that things are so crazy that the JFK files get released and people are like, we'll get to it in time. It's incredible. Because I remember, do you remember the trailer for In the Line of Fire? No. It was like...

It's a 1963, and it's going tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. And it's a clock moving, but the second hand or whatever is the six. And it's slowly turning. So the 1963 becomes 1993. And then, and then in a scene that's only made for the trailer, maybe. is like uh you know the announcer says like and in 1993 there will be another attempt of the assassination attempt and then it shows clint eastwood cuts to him on the phone going

That's not going to happen. So I told you, you know, I loved Entertainment Weekly during this time. They had a whole thing about how the studio... wanted to make that's not going to happen the new like make my day oh my god and but then before the movie came out they kind of changed their mind and because in the movie he does say that's not going to happen

but like another sentence comes right after. He's like, that's not going to happen. So you listen, asshole or something like that. So, uh, but I think that's a pretty cool, that could have been the new, uh, cause I think for an expression, a quote to work in a movie is one that can be app.

applicable in daily conversation, you know? So like if somebody with the phone, you'd say like, Hey, who are you going to call? And everybody go like ghostbusters, you know? Uh, but with this, it could have been like, hey, I want you to put on this bikini. Like if my dad came in and said, put on a bikini for our family. I don't know why. Then I'd go, dad. That's not going to happen. And then we'd all laugh. It wasn't a catchphrase, but you would say, yeah.

That's not going to happen. That's true. That's true. I'd even add a little, uh, before that. Uh, yeah. Oh yeah. That's not going to happen. Bye bye. My least favorite. Um, like what makes a bub-bye doesn't make my skin crawl but what makes my skin crawl is in a movie when um something crazy happens and then the person goes usually a kid

can we do that again? Oh, I hate that. Yeah. Or I always wanted to do that. Oh yeah. Those suck. Yeah. I mean, I love them. The other thing that I really love in a movie is when it's like minute 70 into a movie. And the main character's like, at wit's end. And they're saying to another character, you think I'm doing okay? You think I'm doing okay? I've been shot at, dropped out of a car, thrown into an airplane, and...

And I got a hangnail. And I broke a nail. It's Willie Scott. Yes, yes. What became the catchphrase of this movie is, if she looks back, she's interested in me. Now I noticed something. I wouldn't call this a gloft, but he does that. She walks away. If she looks back, she's interested. She looks back. He waves. And then what does he do? He looks back.

At Abe. At Abe Lincoln. So we got a real love triangle. Yeah, they should have. After he said that about Rene Russo and she looked back at him, they should have gone to Abe Lincoln. And had like a little thought, like voiceover. If he looks back, he's interested. And then Clint Eastwood looks back and Abe Lincoln goes, oh yeah. And then Abe looks back and the wall goes, he looks back.

What's behind the Lincoln Memorial? Is it like the Washington Monument or something? I don't know. He just kept going backwards. Oh, yeah. To like a Canadian bounty. It's like, if Niagara Falls looks back at me. And then the way the physics of it work is however far it extends is the two ends are what get together. So Rene Russo ends up marrying Niagara. My gloft. Rolfed. Yeah. Rolfed the dog. Everybody's favorite Muppet. Rolfed. Yeah. When.

John Malkovich goes to that bank to start an account or get checkbooks or something. In the establishing shot of the bank, there's a bus stop. And it's a real blink and you'll miss it. But I noticed the movie poster and the bus stop is for another DC centered movie. I think it's just a happy coincidence. DC cab? No. What?

The Distinguished Gentleman. What's that movie again? That's that Eddie Murphy movie. Oh, yeah. And in the poster, he's like taking off the top of the Capitol building. Oh, right. It's like cash is stuffed into it. I think that movie just came out and it was just a happy coincidence. How funny. It is in there. Oh, my God. Now, the... All the Eastwood, Frank and Booth, all their talks. What?

For me, it gives me like Hannibal Lecter, Clarice vibes of like really great actor playing sort of a soft-spoken, tender, smart. bad guy who enjoys dialoguing with the hero and even having this kind of like, I, we understand each other. We come from a place of understanding. Yeah. What other movies before this and before Silence of the Lambs? I guess Die Hard. Die Hard. Yeah, a little bit.

Because they're not even the idea that they don't even see each other. It's just like conversation. Blown away with Jeff Bridges and Tommy Lee Jones. Same year, the same summer of In the Light of Fire. What else is there? Are there any classic movies that do that kind of thing? I mean, a couple of years later, seven has that stuff. Yeah. Right. Don't you understand? I am a villain and I talk like this. And then meanwhile, the.

good guys like listen here you piece of shit up you know but I like it I mean most of this movie is just um Their scenes are scenes over the phone. Yeah. Doing a little cat and mouse action. I love it. I love... Well, first of all, they get a lot of shots of... Is that the real Air Force One? I'm not talking about the interior. There's a lot of external shots with, they have that one shot, maybe it's digital, but one shot with two.

Air Force Ones and then two Marine Ones or Marine 1 and 2. I don't know. I couldn't believe the scope of this movie. It's so big. What a big movie. The unclothing scene when they finally... get in the hotel room and all their guns and walkie talkies. I just remember the theater going crazy for that. Really? That's awesome. I saw this on video. We read it. They loved that. And then.

Then when she gets called away and he goes, what does he say? Jesus Christ, I got to put all that shit back on. Well, what's a twist on? a trope you just don't see anymore now but like it was in every other movie when we were growing up was the like panning over the discarded clothes to get to the bed because Naked Gun does this too but it's like weird things right yes yes but

Right, seeing them drop their handcuffs and stuff was really good. And when they had... Yeah, they do the nasty in the hotel. Right? Did they get called away? She gets called away. Oh, so you don't think there was any penetration? Not that quickly. It wasn't Halloween.

Yeah, seeing all this Air Force One stuff too with Wolfgang Peterson, he's going to be bopping around in the Air Force. He might as well have just leased that thing. Yeah. So he did Outbreak and The Perfect Storm and then Das Boot. And Troy. And Troy. Never ending story. Oh. Did he do, I think, Enemy Mine? Did he? Yeah. So he was, I mean, put a particular type of glossy.

action movie for grown-ups was his like uh his um what's that called uh lane yeah the lane he was in this is yet another movie with someone building models or miniatures oh what is it I just want to see. Excuse me. Bless you. Ronin. Three days of the Condor, right? Condor. This. Was there something else? What is it about like psychopaths building little miniatures? And what does that say about me?

I think, yeah, what do you think it is? It's like, these men love to play God. Yeah, maybe. And inside their little workshops, they're God. They're controlling everything. Yeah, but I, oh my God, I mean. The most hands down, like most memorable thing about this movie for me is the little gun, the plastic gun. Yeah.

I mean, that just like got locked into my brain pan when I was a kid. That's what's very Day of the Jackal about it. Yes. Which is funny when they have those little model cars because the Deadpool... last dirty hearing movie has a whole, um, remote control car thing. Yeah. Interesting. But he never uses the remote. I mean, he uses like a remote control boat to shoot it in the water.

Yeah. Yeah. They never, what does it have something to do with, I guess maybe the resin casting he's doing is from that to build the gun. Yeah. Is that what he was using? that was coming out of the cup into those little like formation things. Like casting the trigger. Oh, that's good. And is that real? Can somebody make a gun like that? Cause.

I think you can. It's not something you can fire over and over because it's like a hardcore plastic. I don't, I imagine it would work. I think there would be some danger of it exploding. And the sound it makes in the movie, it sounds like a gun. But do you think it would really sound like a gun? I think the physics are still the same. So if anything would be maybe a little louder. You would have to do it at close range because I don't think that like he didn't.

Every barrel has to have what's called rifling, which is a spiral groove, which makes the bullet spin. And that's how it goes a longer distance. I didn't know that. I don't know that something like that would have rifling. So it's meant to be clearly something that he has to get really close. I don't think there's any way that gun could shoot that boat in that water at that distance. No. And the way this is like a sort of like a how-to.

Yeah. And they had to destroy the gun after the movie for like federal compliance of... like homemade non-registered firearms. Yeah, because this does kind of go like, hey, if you wanted to, you could make a gun that's like plastic. It does seem like before they had x-ray scanners at security that you could get bullets through in a keychain like that. Yeah, and then, yeah.

putting the bullets in a rabbit's foot. Yeah. Which, you know, it's funny when I saw him putting the bullets in the rabbit's foot, it reminded me there was such a stretch of time. I wasted so much time. Trying to do the reverse. It's really hard to put a rabbit's foot inside a bullet. And when you saw this movie, you're like, that's the thing I've been missing. It's because I watched this movie in reverse.

I got it from the video store. They didn't rewind it. So I rewound it. I was like, oh, I should do it. I kept killing rabbits and looking in their feet for bullets and I never found a single one except the one I'd shot in the foot. Oh my God. You know what the catchphrase should have been, which is when he's on the phone with Leary. I have a rendezvous, Frank.

you have a rendezvous with my ass motherfucker. I love that. Like, yes, he has some really good, like, I mean, it's Clint Eastwood. So of course they're writing them some like really great action dude. Like, like when he's like, when he's like, uh,

Malkovich says something like, I want you to think about how close we've been through all this. And he goes, yeah, I'll be thinking about it when I'm pissing on your grave. Which just feels like Clint Eastwood just going in the moment. I thought it was cool. In the notes, it said that they did all their... phone call work on set. So each actor was there off camera. The only other director who I know I've heard would insist on that.

It is Paul Thomas Anderson. And in Magnolia, you can really feel it like in the scenes of the phone. You're like, oh, these are real actors connecting. It's not just a script supervisor. I believe that's what Paul F. Tompkins... deleted scene was. I think he was on the phone with someone in that movie. The first time I ever heard Paul F. Tompkins

any kind of performance was from, cause I didn't see Mr. Show until after I saw Magnolia, but his voice is in Magnolia. And I remember thinking that actor has some real sensitivity. Yeah. which is true. Yeah. Because there's a part where he's talking to Philip Seymour Hoffman and shares how his, he had a relative who died of cancer. That's right. And it's really hard. He talked to me when he was on.

I Was There Too. We talked about that. And I'm trying to remember the particulars. And the same thing with Josh Molina was on I Was There Too. And he talked about the scene where he has to drop off Clint Eastwood at the airport and how Clint Eastwood was like... I wish I could remember this. God, if anybody on the streaming would have listened to this, let us know. But I doubt it.

Something where Clint Eastwood was like getting impatient about the way he had to pull up to the curb or something like that. And he was so nervous about it. But it was a great story. Oh, Josh Malino. Oh my God. So he was like the Dylan McDermott guy. He's like, Oh my God, he's going to kill me. He's going to kill me. Yeah. I forget what it was. This whole thing had a little bit of like funny kind of. star metaphor for acting and like I thought it was funny that it's like the scene where

Clint Eastwood and Rene Russo, they could have had ice cream in DC anywhere, but they're having it on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial looking over the reflecting pool. So this is just like... They're only here because it looks great in a movie, right? And they're two movie stars connecting and having like a real romantic scene that...

The audience is getting us more invested in these characters in the movie. And in that scene, he goes, we're just window dressing. I'm like, oh, yes, you are. And then all the John Malkovich stuff of like, oh, John Malkovich is known as like. an acclaimed actor who can disappear into his characters and stuff he's doing all this and you know John Wilkes Booth was an actor but like that he can like

is the perfect actor that he can use stage makeup to create a whole new character. And that he's obsessed with Frank in a way that a celebrity fan is obsessed with somebody. He's calling him up and being like, I think we're actually... Could be buddies, right? I watched you on the bus. Even down to the fact that they clearly either wanted to shoot at the Bonaventure or that's just...

what made the most sense because they were shooting around LA for parts of it that they then justify California as the swing state in this election. How wild is that? Yeah. I mean, uh, When was the last time it was a... Was it maybe Reagan because he was a governor? Yeah. That's all I can think of. So if this president was seeking re-election in 92, 93, then maybe he is a...

George H.W. Bush surrogate. But from California. Yeah. So it's got some sort of... I mean, when they showed up at the Bonaventura, I mean, that whole hotel was just... made for action thrillers like i kept seeing that elevator where i met robert watts oh yes that's right yes uh when they walk in our meeting in the elevator was just like

You were the principal from head of the class. But when they show up in the lobby at the bar and he's like looking up through the glass and stuff and everything looks so sleek and cool. I'm like. Huh. It's not like when I went there and it was a bunch of band kids on a trip. Can you imagine a bunch of like dorky band kids are running around goodies. And I don't know if it's ever the light or I think it's more just that whatever.

film they used was faded, but when you see the Bonaventure today, it looks bluish and black. But in its original time, there was a tint on the windows and it was like all copper looking. Yes. Yes. We've got to get back to those copper. Nick of Time is the big Bonaventura movie for me. But then True Lies. Yeah.

I mean, there's like ding, ding, ding three years in a row. I always want to say high anxiety, but it's the same architect who did a hotel in San Francisco. When he's getting attacked in the lobby. They blow up the photos. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We haven't even talked about Ennio Morricone too, because. Oh yeah. It's crazy.

It's not long after Untouchables, but the rooftop chase and this, and the same with the rooftop fight with Ness and Nitty, is the same almost exact score. I know. When I was watching this, watching the rooftop scene, the music sounded so... similar to other stuff that I'm like, they must have used temp from the untouchable scene and just were like, can you just do something like this? Interesting is even Ennio Morricone gets a little de-Morricone here where he's kind of...

The music is mixed low and it's orchestrated a little bit more mainstream. I would have barely recognized this as his music, where usually I can always pick him out. And the only reason I did is because it was so similar to Untouchables in a couple places. Yeah, that's interesting. And in the notes, it mentioned that Clint Eastwood... chose Wolfgang Peterson because he was a big Das Boot fan and he liked Shattered and he said also

He's like, I didn't want to be too superstitious here. But the fact that Wolfgang Peterson was European, like Sergi Leone, he was like, I thought maybe there could be just something. a little added touch that you would get from a European sensibility about an American thing, like a Western or the secret service. Normally you can really tell, like when you watch, um,

What's a Verhoeven film? You can feel Europe just slathered all over it. This almost felt Canadian where it's like not a hundred percent American, but I didn't feel. Because mainly because the casting of all these American character actors, usually a European will come in. We've talked about this before, even Christopher Nolan and not like be fully aware of the perception of an American actor and use people that are.

a little like maybe wouldn't have otherwise gotten in such a prestige thing like Eric Roberts or something or even Tom Berenger but this one I felt like was cast in the way an American would have cast it probably but yes Paul Verhoeven casts who's the guy in Robocop who's like with the prostitutes the process oh Miguel Ferrer yes he cast Miguel Ferrer and the Wolfgang Peterson hires

Fred Thompson. Yes. Like there's a difference between and also the Verhoeven I mean is amazing because it feels like there's some sort of like part of him that's like, America sucks. You guys are gross. But... There's not much satire or whatever in the line of fire. It's more just like Wolfgang Peterson being like, yeah, America rules. You guys are the best. I'm convinced I once got a part in a commercial. The director was German.

And I, it was at the callback and it was me and two other guys and they were as American, not saying that I'm not, but they were just like kind of. hunky commercial looking dudes and at the time especially i just was not that i think i had longer hair and glasses and i'm just convinced that The only reason I got it because I never would get those types of roles in commercials that was because this guy was European and just didn't want to do that kind of, you know. Yes. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah.

The thing that I saw last night was an Apple ad that's so yuppie. It's with Kevin Costner before he was famous. It's like 1983. Really? So it would have been the same year that he got cut out of like the big chill. Wow. And it starts with, it's a city, but it's like on a Saturday. It's like not busy. You see a guy riding his bike and his good dog, you know, the dog that he loves.

They're going to the office on a Saturday morning and it's exquisitely shot. It looks beautiful. And it's so yepified that like when he's walking into the lobby. there's like a custodian who's like mopping the floor. Who's like, who's this guy? But you're not supposed to at all be like, oh, what's going on with this custodian? It's like, who's this fucking badass who's coming to the office on a Saturday morning to work? And Kevin Costner sits down.

And it looks like fatal attraction. Just, you know, how everything looks so beautiful. I can totally imagine. And he sits down, he turns on the computer and it's like, you know, there's going to be two types of people, people who own a computer. and people who own an Apple computer. It wasn't like some people who own a computer and don't. It was like, get on the right side of history here, folks. And Kevin Costner in all of his early 80s glory is sitting down at the computer and looking at it.

You know, it's interesting facts and figures I'm learning from my... And somebody in the comments for the YouTube video actually made a really funny joke, which was like, I love how he's looking at the computer like... what is this shit? And the phone rings and he picks it up and he's so happy to talk to a person. It's like, wait, what are you selling here? But then he goes, yeah, I'll be home for breakfast in about a half hour. So he's talking to his wife who's like,

Did you go to the office? He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Making money here, baby. So do you know it's a Saturday? Is that the thing? Or no, it's a day off. And he's going into work early. It's not that he's going on on a regular day, but because he has a computer, he can quit early. No, and it's weird too, because you're kind of like, wait, if he has a computer, shouldn't the suggestion be that you could be doing this from home?

And your wife is in the kitchen in the next room and she goes, breakfast is ready. He's like, got it, honey. And then he turns off the computer and he can be with his family. It's like, no, this guy's cool. He rides a bike with his dog to work and gets some early morning.

probably does a little Coke when he gets to the office. Uh, but, um, it's directed by Adrian Lynn. It's directed by the fatal attraction director. And so it has this like, perfect uh gloss to it yeah yeah yeah um now for Clint Eastwood as an actor after uh Al dies and you see that profile shot of him

His lip quivering. That was a pretty good moment. Yes, it was. Was it after Al dies or was it another? Yeah, I liked it too. Yeah. I mean, Wolfgang Peterson in the notes said that he did feel like this was, they were shooting it when. Unforgiven had come out and Clint Eastwood was sort of getting the best notices in his career as an actor of depth. And so he said he did feel like Clint Eastwood was maybe...

Trying a little bit more in this performance. Vulnerable there for a moment, too. I mean, you still get the old Eastwood, what I call the Eastwood punch. He punches like no other action star, which is just straight on. He always does that. Yes! He doesn't wheel back. No, it's so strange. It's like a boxer's punch, like a knuckle boxer. I also liked in those scenes when he's talking to Malkovich, like when it's just on Malkovich's mouth and stuff.

the like whatever you would call like film grammar of like a monster like jaws or something where it's like You get like a slow burn before you actually get to see the monster. It really sets him up as a bad dude. I know. It's pretty great. love how they uh put frank in the jfk footage where he's like look at all rawhide yeah rawhide style um the um

There was some punching. Malkovich punched those women when he went to their house. Yeah. And her roommate. Yeah. And it was all because. She was on her way to like yoga or exercise or something. Yes. All of his disguises are so good. I love them and I love the little like...

Part where they do the little minor dissolves as his costume comes together. Black and white, the video, black and the music video, black and white. That technology. Because it's not just a dissolve, it's like a morphing. Yes, and they use the technology then on the computers.

at the crime lab or wherever where they're teasing it. That though, but it goes so extreme where they pinch his nose tiny. I kept expecting, yeah, while they're looking at it to hear like... little black and white oh yeah um the um And all just like the Hollywood filmmaking, like when he gets his little private hideout and then there's that big Zorba the Greek mural outside the window. That's right. Yeah, that's right. The.

Was that when they go to the president's speech, there was like an abortion protest going on? Is that what I saw? I saw multiple different signs and I couldn't tell if it was like supporting his. beliefs or protesting him. And I think that's by design. Again, this is so apolitical. So defanged, this movie. Yeah.

That was really kind of a snapshot of how this movie's politics. Yes, yes. The wolf defang. Because, yeah, in this movie, I was like, wait, I don't know if they're protesting that they're for against this. president's uh policies um they do a twist on the I'm too old for this shit where John Mahoney says you're too old for this shit which I thought was good is is Leary

He's not an idealist. He just wants to prove that he can kill a president by only the sheer fact that he'll give his life because... Why is he trying to kill a president who's just about to probably not be reelected? It's pretty weird. Oh, yeah. And it's not like he has a grudge against that president. I couldn't tell. It didn't seem like he just was kind of a psychopath that wanted to.

who seemed to like done like to be another booth kind of yeah it was like a right a fanboy of assassins like he he looked up to assassins and he wanted to be one and then the idea that I guess like you could be a name throughout history then, you know, like that Sirhan Sirhan quote of like, what I did in this moment will live longer than... you know, your whole life that you've been living to get to this point and stuff. But the, that seed with the hunters is pretty wild. Oh my God.

Good old boys. Oh boy, you sure got a gun in there. Yes, and like John Malkovich murdering them is like not the... jackal type I know of like or who he is as a character which is like method always yeah methodical doing everything right to kind of shoot two hunters out in the open where there's going to be a lot of questions. I sort of wanted it to be like,

Lithgow in Blowout where he's like I wanted to make it look like a series of hunter killings in the area. Hunter killers and bankers and their roommates. Very specific. We'll throw them off the trees. I'm so worried to go home. I'm a banker. Do you have a roommate? No, you're fine. I like the setup of the when. Dermot when he gets killed that setup that they've like manufactured in that movie where Eastwood could kill Malkovich but that would mean he would die like

perfect little melding of action. Yeah. There's like a vertigo feel to him when he first lands on that ledge. It does take him like 20 seconds to grab that pipe where I think like the first thing you do is... Also, I liked when Dylan McDermott goes to grab a pipe and steam comes out. He's like, ah! This poor guy can't catch a break. I know, and also kind of like, I don't know how often. I know. There's pipes outside of a building that if pulled upon would break and hot steam would go. I know.

When he does put on that costume, you got to love that bulbous nose. putting butts on. That's a good makeup. The gold-toothed hippie guy. Oh, he's my favorite as the hippie. Because he's also doing like a face. Yeah, when he's standing out there, he's kind of doing like a...

A junkie kind of like, what would you call that? Kind of bobbing back and forth. Did you notice? Because Frank says, he says, I'll be disguised. And he goes, well, it's in the eyes. I can see in the eyes. And then they don't. I'm surprised they don't show it in the montage, but his final costume is James Carney. He has brown eyes. Dark brown eyes. I like the little clever when Josh Molina is...

looking for John Malkovich and then the band is playing I Only Have Eyes For You. Oh, really? I didn't notice that. I like when Clint Eastwood plays As Time Goes By when Rene Russo leaves the bar. I didn't notice that. Oh, that's cute. Yeah. The scene where he just goes over and beats his shit out of that bellboy.

And then the news crew's right there. He didn't even look like he knows who he's looking for. That guy didn't look like Belkovich. That's what I was confused about. Why were there all these other guys' photos in these piles? I know because they know it's just this one dude, right? I was confused by that. The thing that confused me, and maybe you can explain it, is the little detective work he did when he got to LAX and he looks at the name and he knows. Skellum.

Yeah. Like, how did he put it together that Malkovich was going to be there just based on that? That was... That was... That's my dumb brain. That's not the movie being dumb. That was the phone number... Was it the phone number to the Southwest Savings and Loan where he has... the account and that's what led him to there and then he goes there straight there and asks like have you seen anybody no i just started working here well what about the person that worked before you she died

She had a roommate. Wasn't that the lady in the movie Spaced Invaders? Yes. Yes, it was. Isn't that a node character actor? Yes. The number that Josh Molina gives him, ukulele, is actually the number to Sony Pictures. Really? So that if people called. How did you find that out? It was on IMDb Trivia. That's cool. Take it with a grain of salt. I called it. Did you? No. Oh, man. I want to call it. It's like the Columbia Lady.

Oh, yeah. Picks up. I'm Ed Benning. Yeah. I'm Ed Benning. Oh, you want to talk to Warren? Warren! Oh, he's taking a shit right now. Can he call you back? I just, I finished the book Oscar Wars and I read the whole forensic breakdown of what happened with Envelopegate. Ooh. I had no idea. What was it? The guy who was supposed to, he was too busy like taking selfies with Emma Stone or something? The best part is...

He, the year before or a couple of years before, he looks like Matt Damon. So they did a bit with him. The Pricewaterhouse guy looks like Matt Damon. And so in the run-up to this Oscars, he was... texting the producers going, can I do a bit again? I really think. And then the next day I was like, any, any word, am I going to do a bit or anything like that? So it became kind of clear that he was a little celebrity obsessed and the way that the.

The dynamics of it worked is that there were two Pricewaterhouse accountants, a woman on, I can't remember, stage left, and he was on stage right or vice versa. And they each had a duplicate set of all the envelopes. So when, let's say... The actor goes out there for best documentary. Whatever side that...

presenter enters from, they have that envelope given to them by the Pricewaterhouse person. And when that person walks out, the person in the other stage is supposed to take that one out of the pile and put it in a briefcase so it's not usable. Right before Best Picture, it's Best Actress, Emma Stone goes out on the side of the woman, I forget her name, the Pricewaterhouse accountant, takes her envelope out and...

The other thing that complicated it was that they were using these new envelopes. Instead of a wax seal and a ribbon, they had a piece of tape. So Warren Beatty and Faye Dunaway, who also had had their complications the day before in a long rehearsal for this. Really? Yeah. He's showing both of them that you have to put your finger under the envelope and run it under the tape. But he still had the Emma... What's her name?

Emma Stone. Emma Stone envelope and the best picture one because Emma Stone had just gone out. And he meant to show them, I think, on the Emma Stone one, but he flipped it over and showed them on the... Best picture one. Regardless, he ended up handing Warren Beatty the Emma Stone unopened duplicate envelope. He goes out there.

And that's why everybody thinks he looks senile, but he opens it up and he's confused because what he sees is Emma Stone, La La Land. And he's like, what do I do? So prior the day before. He was ribbing Faye Dunaway, and Faye Dunaway is notoriously, she was saying, changing things up. She had some requests. Anyway, she thinks he's doing a bit, and so she takes it from him.

and just sees lalaland and reads lalaland and warn me he's just like he doesn't know something's wrong but he knows something's not right So then they go up and I rewatched it after this. And what's so funny is you can see the guy that looks like Matt Damon come out there because.

Once the, oh, the two accountants have had to have memorized it all. And they both at some point confirmed that Moonlight won. And so the producers are like forcing them to go out and they wouldn't budge. But then they finally do.

And I get just the story of them all in the green room after even Jimmy Kimmel's there and they're trying to figure out what happened. And this Matt Damon Price Waterhouse guy is just denying it. And he also lives in Malibu, rides a Harley, and then I guess he just disappears. Oh my God. And then he was fired. But the poor other woman was let go too or demoted or something. But she didn't seem to do anything.

Wow, that's fascinating. It's really fascinating. Yeah, I mean, I love Warren Beatty so much. Oh, you'll love this. It breaks my heart that he has to be in this position where he seems not on top of it. I know. And he really was so much so that he never gave up. the La La Land Emma Stone one that he read. And he got the best picture one because they brought it out after. And he held both of them and multiple producers and everything came up to him and was like...

We need that. Give it. He's like, no, no, I'm not giving this to anyone until this is forensic evidence. No one gets this until he later got into it. elevator with Barry Jenkins and gave him the best picture envelope because he had won for Moonlight. But I guess La La Land and Moonlight had like a long history of being at the same festivals together. So both...

the sets of producers and cast they were all really friendly and that's why the la la lang producers so gracious and it's like right there on stage and media is like these are for my friends they won and you know pretty impressive well and this was just like five months after the surprise of trump winning right yeah so there was already this kind of like national headspace of

winners and losers and trying to question what happened in the moment and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And there's another funny quote where in the green room right after Kimmel goes, you should come on my show tomorrow and talk about it. To Warren Beatty.

where everybody goes, oh, that'd be great for you, wouldn't it? That's funny. That reminds me. I've been watching, I watched the whole, all the episodes of Larry Sanders finished up maybe like two, three weeks ago. And in the last episode, Gary Shanling's in his office and he looks out the window and he sees Warren Beatty and he's like, I should ask him to be on my...

last episode of the Larry Sanders show, the talk show, not the show show. And he runs out there and he stops Warren Beatty at his car. I think it's the only... outdoor shot in Larry Sanders. And he comes up and Warren Beatty gets in his car and he says, Warren, would you appear on my show? And Warren Beatty goes, goodbye. He backs up and drives away.

No, I know I've told you the story, but I can't remember if I told on the podcast and I think it's fair. I won't say who told me this story about Warren Beatty. Someone was sharing a green room with him and his like handlers and he was fully married to Annette Bening at this time. And they come over, his handlers or whatever, his right-hand man come over and he goes, tonight, I want some quiet pussy. Oh, my God.

And the implication was like someone who's not going to make a fuss and just under the radar. Now. Obviously, I couldn't tell you if this is true or not, but it was told to me by someone who witnessed it firsthand. Yay! Well... okay I mean we're getting back to Clint Eastwood it's just like you you old dogs you do what you do okay well Jay Moore has that really funny story that he told he was on um

A Clint Eastwood set. And at the end of the shooting day, Clint Eastwood came up to Jay Moore and said, hey, would you like to get a drink after we rap here? And Jay Moore was like, oh, I'm actually... And then later in his hotel, he was like, why did I say that? You just say yes to Clint Eastwood. And then you don't have to drink. You just go to the bar and you can order water and, you know, and then the next day. Jay Moore was back on set and Clint Eastwood came up to him and said,

This is all Jay Morris story. This is not, I'm just retelling him. Jay Morris said, uh, Clint Eastwood came up and he was like, so you're a drunk, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's like, you know, It was never, I never had a problem with the booze. I always had a problem with, and he leaned into Jay Moore's ear and went, P-U-S-S-Y. So it seems to be that was his problem. It was a different time. The last couple of bits here, Matt.

I think in the line of fire is the only movie where the peak suspenseful moment in a movie is the hero looking at a seating chart. is he give me that seating short amazing i love that yeah also there's only one way you ever shoot uh in a movie shoot the scene of the guy coming in the bullet right which is a slow-mo shot of somebody coming at a 90 degree angle. Love that little climax at the end with the double speak where...

He's talking to Malkovich, but he's also talking to Rene Russo too. That's just a perfect little action movie. And that she knows him well enough now that she can kind of read him. Yes. Yeah. And when the bad guy at the end, like when Malkovich, like all bad guys in action movies has to die from falling. Yeah. When he was falling or after he landed. I was hoping it was going to do like, you know, in T2.

When the liquid metal guy falls into the thing and then he goes through all his old characters. I wanted that to happen. Like as he's falling through the air, he becomes the hippie burnout guy. And then he's like, John. Valjean from Dangerous Liaison. He has all Malkovich parts. And some future ones. Yeah, yeah. He becomes himself. He becomes himself. That's really funny. Oh, my God. But, yeah, what a great movie. Well, let's do some Baby Xenomorphs, then we'll rate.

Yes. Rank these six and then pick a new season. That's right. Okay. I don't know how many Xenomorphs we have here. We got one. Hey, all right. Okay. And it comes from me, Irvin Kirshner, who he wants. This goes a shout out to Yuri. who wants me to direct the Matt Gorley biopic, The Welford Progeny. That, of course, is Matt Gorley's mother's name, and he's doing a good 70s spy title. Shout out to you!

Wonderful. You little son of a bitch. Thank you. All right. Now. Okay. Let's recap what we got here. Yeah. We got. Day of the Jackal. 12 from you, 13 from me. Oh, and Willow on the live stream says that... Copper tint on glazing is called patina. So the Bonaventura had a patina of copper. Typically, the patina is on real copper.

I see. I didn't even know. I've heard the word patina, but I never knew it had a copper. Copper turns green and that's the patina. Oh. Yeah. When exposed, it gets oxidized. Is rust a patina? I believe it might be. So my last name is Paul. My name is Paul Patina. Paul Patina. Absolutely. You gave day of the jackal. 12, I gave it a 13. Tinker Taylor, you gave it 13. I gave it a 14. Yeah. This still feels dirty.

Blowout, you gave it a 13. I gave it a 12. Patriot Games, you gave it a 9. I gave it a 10.5. Pretty highly rated season, I have to say. In the line of fire. What are you going to do for? I'll give it a 10. 10. I'm going 12. All right. Do you want to quickly rank these movies? Sure. Okay. Boy, do you need a second? Uh, no.

Okay, go for it. Should I go six to one or one to six? Six to one. Six to one, okay. We'll go together. Number six, Patriot Games. Number six for me is Three Days of the Condor. Number five for me, three days of the condor. Number five for me, a blowout. Number four for me, in the line of fire. Number four for me...

Patriot Games. Number three for me, In the Line of Fire. Wait, did you already say that? I don't... Didn't you just say? Did I? No, I meant Day of the Jackal, sorry. Is number three. Yeah. Okay. Number three for me is... In the Line of Fire. Number two for me, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. Number two for me, Day of the Jackal. Number one, Blowout. Number one, Tinker Tailor. We remain true to ourselves. I love it.

Okay, here's the deal. We talked before the show, the streamers were privy to this, and we came up with six ideas for a season, some of which we've mentioned before. The four Superman films. Are we just doing the four? Would we consider the Brandon Routh, Bryan Singer one or no?

Were we just going to do the Reeves? Yeah, the Reevesies. Superman. That reminds me too when we were talking about this isn't one of the six, but I was looking through our notes once and I saw that. It's not too late to add. We were going to do the Batman movies, but just... Goh as Alfred. Oh, yeah. As a way to like... Those are the four. Those are the four as well. Okay, we'll put that down. Yeah. I mean, we could do a...

a double season of Superman, Batman. We could even alternate. That's good. That's really good. Yeah. We'll, we'll talk about that. Cause there's four each. Yeah. Superman, Batman, um, possession movies. which would be, you know... Exorcist, maybe Exorcist 3, The Pope's Exorcist, The Omen, whatever. There's lots to choose from. Rosemary's Baby. Rosemary's Babies, yeah. Rosemary's Babies, the sequel. Rosemary's Babies. Oh no, it's actually the Saturday morning cartoon.

Rosemary's legs come in. Big legs. Disaster films. Classic. Erwin Auer type disaster films like Poseidon Adventure, Towering Inferno, Airport, Earthquake. Earthquake. Rollercoaster. What else? What else? 21st century horror? 21st century horror. All movies that came were released between January 2001 or January 2000? 2000. Okay, January 2002. Today's date, 2025. Okay. And we're missing two more.

The Harrison Ford. Smorgasford. Smorgasford. That was Paul's name. Yeah, but I think I must have read it somewhere. So if somebody did come up with Smorgasford, please let us know because I don't want to rip off. But I, yes. And... It would be Harrison Ford's thrillers and stuff. No regarding Henry's. No. No working girls. I mean, I love working girl, but it's just not the time. No Frisco kid. No Frisco kid. But that would include Frantic, Air Force One, Fugitive, What Lies Beneath.

You said Random Hearts, right? And Morning Glory. Morning Glory, yes. Mad Dog and Glory is what I said. And what is that one where he's out in the wilderness with a dog? Yes. Oh, an Ender's game. And then there was one more, wasn't there? Yeah, what was the... Do you guys remember what the other one... Forticopia. Ooh, Max there on the live screen with the title Forticopia. That's good. What's the other one? Do you guys remember what the other series we were banding about?

I hate to leave it out. What the hell? We're going to have to rely on you guys. Come on. We must have talked about it before this started. Do you remember? What the hell was it? Maybe I was over counting. Yeah, maybe it was just those five. Okay. All right. So there's a number of ways we can decide. We can just say, hey, this sounds the most exciting. Or we can let fate decide. We could also veto.

Part of being excited about a season is also, I think, being able to weed out ones where you just like, if you don't feel it at the moment. Yes. Now, don't answer. Okay. But are there any here that you're just not feeling? It's not necessarily not feeling. I would say there's two that I feel most the pull is there. There's one that I'm not 100% feeling just because I can't, it's nothing. I'm sure there's great selections in it.

But maybe if we want, we could put on a piece of paper, we could each veto one. Okay. And we won't even read out who vetoed what or whatever. We'll just know that those are off the table. Sure. And then we'll see where we are. Does that sound good? Yeah, that sounds great. No known word yet. Okay. Matt is writing his now on a slip of paper with a green pen. Green as in the color of slime.

What if we choose the same one? Maybe. Okay. We head them over? Yeah. Okay. Well, I guess we can just look at each other. Yeah. So don't read them out loud. Okay, interesting. Okay, okay. Okay. We're going to take two off the board and we're not going to say who. So this is like when they put blanks in the executioner's guns. Yes, yes, yes. So don't kill us. Off the table now are Possession and 21st Century Horror. I was thinking earlier when we were talking about the...

A president or a secret service person. You know how the untouchables never, like, we don't drink. Yeah. So that when we fight the bad guys, I think like secret service should be like apolitical. I think they're supposed to be. Yeah. Yeah. Because otherwise they might be like. Nobody ever truly is, but they have to basically be. I mean, I'm sure some of the service men and women that saved Trump.

probably don't agree with you. Yeah, we didn't even talk about the assassination attempt, but do you think it was Malkovich? Yeah. In fact, I know it is. That's a way to that day. I know it is. Show me where John Malkovich was that day. Look, this is not to say we won't do these things, because actually I'm excited about both. Yeah.

But right now, for some reason, springtime doesn't feel fully like one of those. We will get to those. I'm pretty confident. Okay. So no word. We must not have had an extra one when I was making that up. So now we're down to Superman. We can either just do Superman and then do Batman later, or we can do Superman, Batman. That's eight movies. Disaster films is like four or five. Smorgasford is as many or as little as we want it to be.

Gosh, where are we? I mean, do you, Paul, I'm happy if you have a favorite of one of these to. No, I, it's for me, it's, um, uh, I could go either. Superman, Batman, or a smorgasbord. Yeah. Those are the two. But are you feeling disaster movie more? I'm feeling the most, and it's in line with what you're saying, is Superman. is starting with Superman. And then if we maybe do Batman at some point, that's great. Yes. And maybe we'll follow right up with Batman, but I like.

For some reason, the bright colors of Superman in springtime right now. It's perfect. It's only four movies, so if that's not your cup of tea, we'll get to something soon enough. Yeah, that's great. That's perfect. I love it. And we're going to call it Soup's On. Soup's on is great. But we could think about something else too. No, I think that's it. Now, maybe it'd be better also- In Krypton we trust with Krypton and Rust. Maybe we save Batman.

for Christmas time because there's the Batman Christmas movie too. That's good. Yeah. I don't know. And it's darker, more wintry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's great. Okay. Superman it is. So in a, with a, Oh. April showers will bring superpowers. Oh, that's good too. But we'll be back in April with... Superman won. Yeah. We'll let you guys know exactly when. In the meantime, we got that commentary out. What are we due for a... We're not due for like a cozy...

What was the last thing we did? The tournament or the awards? I always get them mixed up. Yeah. So when is the tournament usually? Is it around this time of year? Maybe. Umar would know. Yeah. And then as always, Paul especially often puts up solo commentaries. And if you subscribe at the baby... Freddy level, you get those. I did do a solo commentary of all things for the Batman. For Batman, yeah. So here's a little something to tide you over. And the titles that I've done...

Solo commentaries for are Pee-wee's Big Adventure, Back to the Future, Eyes Wide Shut, Death Becomes Her, Pulp Fiction, Gremlins, and Back to the Future Part 2, if any of those sound interesting. They sure do. All right. Thanks, guys. We'll be back very soon. And we'll stay tuned on the Patreon to find out when, but we'll notify you there first. And just so you know, the four Superman movies we've picked are Superman 1, Superman 2.

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