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do know what you did last summer because we were recording podcasts last summer, Paul Rust. That's right, Matt Gourley. What has it been? It's been... How many summers have we known what each other did? It's a good question because... We weren't recording in summer originally because we would do a yearly series that began with In Voorhees We Trust with Gourlies and Rust. Yeah, which oddly...

Our yearly series would time out exactly with the Baseball World Series. Yeah, and we eclipsed them. Did you notice the ratings dipped for the World Series heavily? Because you can't watch TV and podcasts. at the same time. Yeah. Well, that's around the time that Wade Boggs went on his anti-podcast screed. Remember? And Pete Rose was betting on podcasts.

My baseball knowledge is limited. Hey, mine too. It's limited to the baseball cards we had seen when we were kids. But these were mostly fall series we did. Oh, maybe they were late summer. That was 2018. And then I think two years later when we struck out on our own and then it was the next summer. Not struck out like Wade Boggs. No. Struck out like we, like.

We made good. Local boys made good. Yes. And so I think it was three summers from the beginning or so. That's when we did like Jaws, right? Yeah. And that was the heart of COVID. That was 2020.

2021 maybe? 2021. Because we started in 2018. 2019 would have been in Myers We Trust with Geyers and Rust. Then we came to Patreon with... Freddy, although that could have been around the new year. I don't remember. Probably 2021. Yeah, I remember the Jaws franchise corresponding with COVID. Yeah, because we were out in those lawn chairs all the time. Or at the park. Yes, yes. And the...

Did we do some alien ones in the park? I feel like I remember us sitting outside on a picnic table during COVID times, maybe talking about Alien vs. Predator 2. What was the one we went to the park that was... way too loud because of the freeway. And we sat on a blanket together and it wasn't, I remember it was a movie we didn't really love. Was that Prometheus? Yeah, I think it was. I think it was Prometheus. So that might've been during COVID time. Think about it, Matt.

Because a lot of people memed it with Jaws, remember? The mayor is being like the people who don't want to have lockdowns. And then with the alien now, in retrospect, we can be like... A xenomorph was like COVID. We can't step outside or a xenomorph might get us.

That's not a really good one-to-one. Yeah, and Paul Reiser was like the mayor. Burke. That's right. Yes, yes. There's always the bureaucrat that has to poo-poo things. Yeah. One was a politician. One, the other was a capitalist. Yeah. And I'm talking about Jaws and the Xenomorph. Which one was the politician? Jaws. I was doing it respectfully. Okay, yeah. Is he mayor or what office does Jaws hold? He's the mayor, yeah. Of the sea? Because he has an insatiable appetite for power.

Power of the, he's the mayor of the ocean. Oh my God. It's the city of the ocean. The mayor of the city of the ocean. That was, so we've been going for seven years now. Holy cow. I know what you did last seven summers. Yeah.

I mean, even if we weren't doing the podcast, I probably knew what you were up to. Once I met you, then any summer is on the table. That's right. It's free. It's free. You're a grandfather. Same for you. I mean, any summer you know about me, it was after we met. Yeah. And it took us seven years to get to, I know what you did last summer. I know people thought we should have started with that, but here we are. Yeah. There was a...

huge outcry why wasn't your very first episode of the podcast about I know what you did last summer yeah and we said we want to make you wait for it yeah that there's a huge online Hewitt constituency I'll bet there is That? You devil! I mean, come on. I was a red-blooded male at this time. That did, yes. All of that corresponded with just general like...

Yeah, internet stuff. Yeah, it sure did. As did this movie with its internet microfiche scene search. We are officially, with this movie, out of the microfiche at the library scene. Yeah, I wrote that in my notes. Me too. And I got to say, and it's true to this day. Ain't as cinematic. No, it really isn't. I wonder if Microfish is almost like cinematic because it is like cinema, Matt. You're like...

dialing through a film of kind of like scrolling by. It's like recreating what a movie is. Think about it when they do the reverse shot on the person. So you've got a blue light computer screen and just click, click, click. But when you're reverse shot on the microphone, they're like...

Yes. They're doing something mechanical. They're in a dusty library. They know they got people looking over their shoulders or just waiting to use the microfiche machine. Other junior investigators looking into the past crimes of their hometown. Amateur sleuths. You're right. The movement of being able to crank a microfiche machine or zoom up, how they do that too. Let me give you a zoom. Yeah. And the noise. Yes. Sound and movement wise is way more interesting than little finger.

tip on a key that goes I agree a man is writing a screenplay about I won't go into the concept because it's just so clever I won't spoil it but It has to do a lot with the house of tomorrow. And she was trying to think of some kind of like encyclopedic database and she's younger than me. And she didn't really have an awareness of the microfiche. And I told her about like, you should do this. kind of mechanized 1950s microfiche machine. She's like, what's that?

And I showed her online and she was just blown away. It's cool. Yeah, yeah. So did you guys went to a library? Oh, no, I just brought it up online what they are. What if you had to use a microfiche player to show? What a microfiche. Not to Amanda. I just mean to. Hey. Glenn. Yeah. I'm going to show you a microfiche machine is, but don't disregard the machine I'm about to use until what it brings up. Just look at that. Or I'd show her on the screen and go, now guess what? You're looking at one.

Well, that'd be a cool reveal.

Oh, speaking of Jaws, Matt, for people who are joining us, all you summer heads, for the first time, you might not know about this, but we have a Patreon. Yes. And on that Patreon, which is at patreon.com slash with Gourley and Rust, we do mailbag episodes, special awards, cozy tournament episodes.

and film commentaries. That's what made me think of it. Yeah, I figured that's where you're going. Every month we do a feature film commentary and this month we're finally doing Jaws. Yeah, the trustees, our friends on the Patreon, they voted and they... They voted number one with a tooth. Number one with a shark bullet from Live and Let Die. Number one with a shark bullet. Jaws. Yeah. And we've covered the Jaws series along with...

Megalodon. The Meg. The Meg. Cruel Jaws. And Deep... Deep Star Six. What is it? What was that movie called? With Thomas Jane. Oh, Deep Blue Sea. Deep Blue Sea, yeah. Yeah, yeah. We watched... So yeah, all our episodes, you're right, are on the Patreon. So if you wanted to... relive or experience for the first time being in those waves with sharks and me and Matt. Yeah.

Yeah, those were good times. Those were heady times. But I'm glad we're doing another summer series, even though this movie takes place in Fourth of July. It's kind of dark and rainy. But also, I forgot, maybe this was mentioned even in the most previous episode, that it was... the 4th of July. Yeah. I didn't remember that either. I got so stoked. I was like, perfect. I said, perfect timing much. Cause it was a nineties movie. I was like, uh,

Could you be any more perfectly tied? Because that was a very... People will be watching this in the sequels with us over the 4th of July weekend. And yeah, because we've got this, we've got the sequel, we've got the new one coming out. We haven't... really committed to the straight to video one. I've heard just the worst things about it. So we'll figure that out when we come to it. Wow. You know, I know what you did last summer is a great title because.

you don't even need to do like the, uh, Halloween graduation day, April fool's day thing of calling it like fourth of July massacre. They're like, we don't even have to put the holiday in the title. We got this. I mean, cause think about it. But it could have been called Sin Dependence Day. Yes! Why wasn't it? Actually, it was based on the title came from a book.

this is a novel. I didn't realize that until not only our great researcher, Brantley Palmer mentioned it, but I did a little poking around on this movie on my own. And apparently nobody dies in the book. And it's more of a mystery thriller. And then to get a little darker, the woman who wrote it sold her rights to it. And she did not like this movie. She did not like the violent slasher nature of it because I guess her daughter was murdered.

And so she didn't want to glorify this file. Sorry to bring it down. Wow, I did a, yeah, none of that. That's a. And here, oh, speaking of microfiche. You didn't break it down, by the way. Thank you. I tried. You started laughing because my face got so serious. I think you're like. Well, you could see that if you're a baby xenomorph.

or subscriber to our Patreon, we'd read out your name and you can watch the live stream. But speaking of a microfiche to internet, did you know something interesting about this book? What? Apparently every number of years, this woman...

does a revised version of it to update it to modern times. So by adding cell phones, social media and stuff like that. That is so cool. Isn't that crazy? And every author should do that. I know. And the estate. I'm looking at you, the Bible. The estate of any author. Ernest Hemingway's estate should go back into like a farewell to arms and be like, then he left his shack to go and check out. Well, it would go from like. Let me think here. Let me think here. A sky zone. Got it. Nailed it.

To an oxygen bar. Remember those? With the hottest mixologists. Yeah, oxygen bars. I tried one of those once. That was the stupidest thing. I can't believe it didn't last. Yeah, I never went to one. It gave you lots of H2O. Well, it was not only that, but it was like scented oxygen. So you'd be getting oxygen, you know, like some kind of health thing, I guess.

But it was like you could choose what scent you wanted. And they would have these disposable nasal tips that they would hook up to the hoses. And they were just a bunch of the wall. And I feel like I went to one almost like in an airport or a mall or something. And it really was just like. how you'd go get like coffee at a kiosk or something it wasn't even like a cool techno environment oh yeah i imagine like cool like recliners or like you hang upside down or you float in a tank like uh

Skywalker and Empire Strikes Back. Bacta? What's the date called? Bacta Chamber. Yeah, you get your own Bacta Chamber.

Did you know they're remaking the chamber as the back to chamber and like, uh, Susan Sarandon. Is it a John Grisham joint? Yeah. So he's updating his books. Yes, John Grisham in accordance, no, in association with George Lucas is doing Star Wars. Oh my God. Remake. I heard they're doing the Lando lawyer too. Lawyer Calrissian. And let's see the Sebulba brief. There's got to be a better one for that. No, that's good. But that title, I Know What You Did Last Summer, it is so good. So good.

Any movie would give their left hook. eyeball to like be able to have this time. Left hook, not left hand, but he's got two hooks. He'd give up his own hook. And he had to give up the hook so then he had nothing there so he just got a prosthetic hand. A movie would give its prosthetic hand for this time. I feel like them not using any of the book...

and just making a movie that works best with the title. I mean, there's probably some elements. They do hit a kid, I believe, the four teenagers, but there's no fisherman killer. Like I said, nobody dies, I think. Ray gets stabbed or shot or something like that. Is it because they were partying? Like not paying attention on the boat? I can't remember. Is it like a cautionary tale? I don't know. Like, listen, kids, you better be careful out there. Probably.

Because knowing that they bought that just to use the title reminded me of like, did you see the founder, the Michael Keaton movie? Oh, no. No. Like you. One of the details in it is that he ripped off the guys who were the McDonald's boys, the McDonald's brothers, because he's like, yes, you came up with a system to... give people food efficiently and uh all these um uh whatever new ideas that they applied to the fast food industry uh he's like but what i really was buying for you

was your name because he's like my last name is shit crock you know nobody would like want to buy burgers from crock burger but you guys have this like amazing name that like people associate with like uh you know American traditions. He couldn't have just come up with another name. Yeah, just call it like Smith. Yeah. Smitty. Smitty's. Or McDowell's, just like James. I feel like this is the same thing. John Amos. It's like they just.

They bought it for its beautiful McDonald's title. I think that happens a lot. Yeah. And the history of this is that Kevin Williamson wrote it, but he wrote it before Scream. And so he hadn't incorporated a lot of the meta aspect of the stuff that he was doing in Scream. Scream comes out, and he was so hot, they used him for this, but this existed prior.

And I think some people were disappointed because it didn't have that scream meta edge, apparently. Yeah, there's a couple moments, you know, like when they're walking up to the house and she says... Hey, this didn't work for Jodie Foster. Yeah. But it's like on her back. It's not like. Yeah. And maybe those were like almost feel like get those in at the last minute or something. I mean, I remember when I saw this and.

Here's my lore with the movie. I only saw this, this is a true, only ever saw it in the theater once on opening weekend. Since... Since this? Yeah. And not even like, oh, it's on TNT and I'll stop and watch. Like, haven't seen any of this ever again. So I remember in the theater being like, oh, just because this is from the... Guy who wrote Scream doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be... Screamy. Yeah, deconstructing horror movies. It was like, oh, they're talking like...

sophisticated adults. They're clever and witty. talk beyond their years unlike we like they're just like they can like it's witty like repartee stuff right right but i do feel like this is like a bridge between like scream And I didn't watch this very much. I've only like, I haven't seen a full episode, but like.

Whatever I see from Dawson's Creek, the kind of like- Which is related, yeah. Yeah. They said, did you hear that? Dawson's Lake or Dawson's Beach? Dawson's Beach, yeah. And that was, I think, intentional. That's- But before Dawson's Creek came out. It's like right before. So that's like Kevin Williamson putting in a little personal use. Because they shot, apparently, some of Dawson's Creek on this.

Dock in North Carolina or something. Yeah, they used the Dock for, yeah, Dawson. They should have called it Dawson's Dock. It's kind of weird that they- Dockson's Creek. Dockson's Creek. D-A-C-H-S-U-N-D. What's your lore? Well, I'm trying to figure that out because now regular listeners of the show know that there's this period of my life where I worked at the Universal City Walk, not as a movie theater employee.

That is an independent contractor, improv performer, dressed like an old-time ticket taker. Woo! Bellhop, kind of pillbox hat, waistcoat kind of thing. Awesome. This was one of the movies at the time, but it was either this or the sequel because that came out the next year. So I don't remember which. It might have been the sequel because I don't think I ever saw either in the theaters, but I've seen pieces of one of them all.

tons of times because I'd be in and out of these theaters so that part of my life I'm willing to forget about and it wasn't until a couple years ago that Amanda and I watched these movies oh fun and that was really fun

When I sat down to watch it again for this, I didn't love it as much and I realized maybe the reason is this is the type of movie that... It's so much more fun to watch it with another person because it's not like a sit down and really take this movie in. Yeah. It's just more fun to kind of like.

be with your best friend or your partner or whatever and kind of laugh through it, but get the thrills and stuff. So I was in here yesterday, which I also really enjoy watching movies by myself, but I just felt like I'd be better if it was night.

And it was better if it was Amanda, you know, but we're always so tired by the end of the day. We just don't get to watch movies like this as much anymore. And I'm dying for that again. Dude, I love the like thinking of a, cause you've come up with the, the matrix of. Good day, bad day, good movie, bad movie. Adding not necessarily a new element to that. That has to exist on its own. This is a separate matrix for how to view it.

good with somebody else good alone yeah I think that's good with crowd good with one friend like what's the best crowd movie and what's the best alone I would imagine it's in just the ultimate sense like watching a jackass movie with a person or people is more fun than watching it by yourself 100% yeah and then like Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy you don't really need a You don't go on an opening night to cheer with the audience. I mean, I did. Well, you might need someone there for us to explain it.

If you want Carla to win, scream real loud. If you want Smiley to win, scream real loud. Real Carla crowd here. Whoa, wow. I thought it was all going to be Smiley heads. Don't get confused with Summerheads. I know what you did last summer. But I do enjoy this movie. I enjoy this era of films. I thought the film was shot pretty well. It's good looking. That's my biggest takeaway from this. I was like, wow, this is like...

High gloss. Yeah. Big studio, but like a movie, but like not, not just gloss, like all the.

little suspense sequences are really like, there's craft. And it made me realize there's kind of a sub genre of horror movies that we've never really talked about that I've never heard talked about. And that's like the. Working class, blue collar slash citizen, servant, soldier, killer. So the Prowler has the just like GI grunt.

That's good, dude. The Citizen Soldier. My Bloody Valentine. My Bloody Valentine has the mine worker. This has the fisherman. Those are the three I could think of. Are there more? I bet there are more and that would be really fun. They're in the chat. If you guys can think of any, let us know. Because that's... separate from the...

comforts of suburbia turned sour killer, like Michael Myers being a young kid who kills his sister in their house, or Freddy Krueger is the janitor at a school. And even Jason's the rural version of that. Yes.

He's like a hockey player is a working class worker, but I don't think he's a paid hockey player. Yeah. I mean, you could, I guess, view each slasher based on their like class social strata. Yeah. So what is Terror Train? What is a magician? Wait, was it the magician? Oh, the top. I don't think. It was the person who was the magician's assistant. That's right. Oh, so that's like... So hey, not too...

Do you call that working class? I don't know. That would be one of those things that I'd find out that people would be like, you know, actually the magician's assistant makes more money than the magician. Yeah. Yeah, they do the real. They're the penny to the inspector gadget. Yeah, what? I wonder who was the richest slasher. Oh, wow. Because in Scream, it's kind of implied... Dr. Giggles? That Billy Loomis isn't necessarily... Yes, Dr. Giggles!

He's got a medical degree, of course. I mean, that's another thing. He lives in a big house by the lake. We're talking about working class slashers. Who are the white collar slashers? Dr. Giggles? Patrick Bateman. Yeah. Oh, oh, oh, like, you know, the temp. Yeah. Don't bring a new temp into your jam factory. Right.

Cookie factory? Cookie factory. Sorry, I said jam. Oh, because they want to bottle the cookies like jam, right? Oh, is that what it was? To make it like more homey. Oh, God. We're eating it with the profit loss on creating on all. these cookie jars. You've lost your mind Hutton. People don't know but in the temp Timothy Hutton plays himself. Hutton. Do you remember EF Hutton? No. It was this ad campaign.

I don't even remember what they were like a financial advisor. And everybody knew this slogan when I was a kid. Uh, is it when you talk or was it when, when you talk. E.F. Hutton listens. Or was it when E.F. Hutton talks, people are listening. You better shut up and listen. I bet it's when he talks, you listen. No. Yeah, it was when you- No, when you talk, he listens. EF Hutton listens, yeah. EF Hutton listens. Yeah, weird. Yeah, I think the most like... Where are my Hutton heads? The most...

used or parodied or referenced slogan that I've experienced in my lifetime is the don't leave home without it. Oh, yeah. American Express. I mean, that was like really, for a good five to seven year stretch, every sitcom would have some joke of their like, how are we going to break into the school? He's like, I brought my...

Egg beater. Don't leave home without it. And got milk, got this, got that. That was a big one. Where's the beef? Where's the beef's a big one. Can you hear me now? That was one that was like stealth because you'd have to say it. Because you're not going to start now changing what you say just so you don't sound like the slogan, but they got you. Oh man, they knew what they were doing. Can you hear me at this time? Good. Verizon doesn't get. Am I aurally?

A-U-R-A-A-L-L-Y available to your ears at this current point in...

Oh my God. Do you remember when the Verizon guy did a heel turn? Yeah, that's right. That was awesome. Yeah, that was. What was it for? Like T-Mobile? He went from Verizon to like, yeah, T-Mobile. And he was like, hey, I hear over everybody over there worship Satan. I'm going to do that for Audi from my Volkswagen run. That's good. Did you, they ever like Slugworth style tried it?

tempt you over to Audie you'd be like running down an alley and then they'd pop out and be like hello Mr. Morley I was so tainted because I was the face eventually at the end of that run of all the clean diesels being dirty and blasphemous and that whole scandal remember where they the Volkswagen scandal where they were lying about the emissions of their clean diesel cars those are a few of the commercials I did I thought I was the only one who lied about my emissions

Oh, wait, those are nocturnal admissions. There's an Alex Gibney documentary called, I think it's called Dirty Money on Netflix, and it uses one of my commercials. Oh, no. I mean, I didn't know. Oh, you're like the blood scanning lady. What? Who was the lady who was like, I could test your blood in an instant. What are you talking about?

It was based in real life. Oh, yeah. Elizabeth Holmes? Yes. You're like Elizabeth Holmes. Yeah, you're the face of this controversy. Basically, yeah. Oh, man. Dark time. Dark blood. Isn't that what the movie's called? Dark blood. Yeah. Hey, have some of my dark blood. I'm Elizabeth. Do you like my turtleneck? Hey, you like my turtleneck? I mean, that's the opening line of that movie made about her. Like my turtleneck boss. That was, and it's like one of those openings that they open up like.

The first beginning is like the last 10 minutes of the movie. So you're like, oh my gosh, how did she get to the point where she says to you like my turtleneck boss? Three weeks earlier. It's like, I can't imagine her ever asking the boss what her turtleneck was. It starts with, like my turtleneck boss six months earlier. And it starts with her. Six months earlier, she opens up a closet with no turtlenecks. If anything, the scoop necks.

And she's got like, she's just like, my neck's so cold and I'm so unsuccessful in business. And the devil shows up and go, I can help you with both of those. Oh yeah, it's a devil story. I can help you with both of those. Hoo-ha. What? No, no. I'm a blind dancer. Oh, my God. Al Pacino should do.

a character that's an amalgamation of all characters. Kind of like at the end of T2 when the liquid robot goes through all of his different... That is just constant. He's probably done like 50 roles. Oh, sure. So... One moment you're having dinner with, uh, uh, uh, uh, cruising. And then you look down and then you look back up and it's revolution and Jack and Jill. Was he in that or click? Which one was it? Jack and Jill.

And Frankie and Johnny. Declared alone. I was Frankie. I do declare. He never played like a Southern lawyer or a Southern judge.

I think he has, he just didn't do it effectively. Like he probably couldn't do a Southern accent. Has he ever done a Southern accent? Anne Heche has in a movie that takes place in May. Let's get into it. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I, Hey, Anne Heche is great. Lost her too soon. had a tumultuous life and career. And, you know, my heart goes out to her where it's like, it was at a...

yeah, she had a bummer. Kind of reminds me of like the Margot Kidder trajectory where you, you wanted better for them. And especially with this, you know, she lost her brother to suicide right before she had to shoot the scene. I didn't know that. That wasn't in Brantley's notes. That's not a criticism of Brantley. Brantley? You really hurt my friend at all. I care about Brantley and his work here so much that I immediately was like, but that's not-

But Bradley, while Paul's saying that, he's going, he's shaking his head. Crossing both fingers. But yeah, I didn't know that. And so. Yeah, she, whatever. I say all that to say that, yeah, she had a Southern accent. I was kind of like, that's. Yeah, right. They're in North, well, they're in North Carolina. Yeah, but nobody, also nobody else spoke with it. That's a good point.

I mean, hey, maybe she was, you're right. She was the one who was making the right choice. Everybody else was. I actually thought she was pretty good in this. Am I wrong? Oh, I thought so too. Yeah. I'm not calling you out. No, no, no. I'm not haste shaming you. No, I think this is, she was really great. Yeah. And this was like what we now call the Heche Age. There was like a whole year, remember, where she was like.

in 50 things and this is just like one of them yeah one of the 50 but uh yeah I thought she was um her scenes were really good and also like casting like a um With this, whatever this era of like slashers is where before, if you wanted legitimacy. you cast a veteran actor like Donald Pleasance. Oh, yeah. So it was like, this isn't just some dumb horror movie. You got an actor like Donald Pleasance in it. These movies, these like Scream and Post Scream movies are like...

casting up and comers who are like on the rise and on the hot list. Kind of like how Saving Private Ryan did where everybody in that platoon was probably honestly just packaged from the same agency. Yes. At that point.

I'm just checking to see if any other working class killers. Oh, yeah. Please let us know on the live screen. I mean, now, not if you're listening to this later. Back to the future. Back to. The future. Oh, back to the future. From ECC Handle. I can't remember. I don't like that back to sounds like bantha. Yeah. I mean, I know words and languages sound like other words. All right. So this movie, sorry, I wasn't putting it. I'm glad I have a.

loud megaphone to express my thoughts. I kind of like that. And don't even get me started on the BAFTA awards. And Banta from... Taxi. Banta. Who was Banta? That was Tony Danza. Tony Banta. I think it was his nickname that Louie called him. Was it because he was like Bantamweight or something?

Was he a boxer? Wasn't he a boxer? Yeah, he was. Or was he an actor? No, Judd Hirsch was the actor. Conaway was the actor. Conaway was the actor. Judd Hirsch was just a taxi driver. Hirsch, I think, was getting his license to be a psychiatrist in Ordinary People. And to be a mathematician's father in Independence Day. Sorry, Sin-dependence Day. Yes, that's true.

Mary Lou Henner, of course, went to memory school. I know. Yeah. Yeah. If you guys want to look it up, Mary Lou Henner has perfect recall for every date. Every moment? Yeah. How do you store all that? in the henner verse yeah she's got it yeah the hen the hentity yeah the hentity at the end of the day she pulls like a little microchip out of the back of her neck and then like uploads it into like a fleshy tv

That she was born with. She sleeps in a Bacta tank for sure. No, a Bantha tank. Oh my God. Oh, I wish I could sleep in a BAFTA tank. Just me surrounded by all my BAFTAs. I just like to take a hot bath to feel relaxing. Take a bath to relax in. Take a bath to take it to relax. It's crazy. Banthas were just...

Elephants with big costumes on. Yeah. Why don't you ever see any of that behind the scenes photo of the elephant going like, whew, all in a day's work. It's a living. It's a living. Give me some peanuts. We elephants don't normally hang out in the desert.

Maybe they weren't elephants. Maybe they were camels. Funny that we mentioned elephants who have a great memory right next to Mary Lou Henner, the elephant of actors. She is the elephant of actors. Because a lot of times you'll see an elephant with a... Red Floyd air. That's true. Matt. Yeah. So this movie. Yeah. Do you. I like it. Fine. I think it's fun. Like I said, I wish I was watching it at night with a friend or a family member, but it's fun.

Yeah, I think it's also like a fun group watch for somebody who's just dipping their toe into like... horror movies and slashers. Yeah. A 12 year old, like there's only like one gore moment. It is kind of young adult horror in a way. Yes. Yeah. And I think, so when it came out, it's 97. Yes. I would have been 24. It wasn't for me. Yes. I was like, I had already experienced Halloween. Yes. I wasn't ready to go back, but now I can really appreciate it.

I was thinking about that because having not rewatched it since I first saw it, and I was 16 when I saw it. And there was this whole industry, people may remember, the late 90s of like... whatever that WB Dawson's Creek, American pie. Yeah. Like you could do like a tree of American pie, like actors and their branches that covered every single, like, and.

You could see a new teen-based movie every weekend. Scream. The faculty. I know what you did last summer. Yeah. And not even horror. It'd just be like Jawbreaker or Dick. Just like. movies that are made for, I mean, I think that's like how election got made. It's like a crazy dark movie, but it was just like, could be sold on like, Hey, it's, I wonder if it's just like, um,

This would have been all millennials at the time. So if, cause it was even happening, you know, not that Britney Spears is for high schoolers. What's that? Millennials watching it or because these guys in it are all Gen X. Right. Yeah. Like. And the people who are making it are Gen X or older. So I do like, it's funny. Like I've thought like, oh, I'm watching this and it was tapping into what I was experiencing.

particularly like the angst that the, like the, all these characters have, which it was like very in vogue. I mean, Breakfast Club has some angst, but the difference between these eighties and nineties movies of like. The 90s movies having like everybody has bed head and like, oh, I'm so fucked up. Brian Felipe in this is really rough. He's never been a favorite actor of mine.

I, some people for whatever reason, just kind of put you off and I know his character is supposed to, but it goes beyond that for me. There's the characters you love to hate, like in the new final destination, which have you seen it yet? No. Oh, there's, there's a.

Tell me. Guy in there that you're not supposed to like, and it's so successful, you end up loving him. Hell yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Movie's so fun. Yeah, that's awesome. But this one, I just have a hard time with him. I know he's not the greatest guy anyway, apparently, but... That aside. Yeah, this character is really obnoxious. And the way he plays him, like, oh my God, the histrionics and acting. Yeah, the young man acting is...

The worst thing second only to just young men in general. Having been one. In that first 20 minutes, 25 minutes, he's like screaming every line. Everything's like this hunched over in that kind of like. pacing and hands acting and I get it there's a moment where like drool is coming out as he's like screaming and I was like oh this isn't that kind of movie buddy yeah tone it down like yeah I guess everybody saw themselves as the next from that

type of that actor saw themselves as the next Brando, James Dean, Sean Penn, whatever. These teen movies are a stepping stone to me being in... Mystic River someday, you know. Way of the Gun. Yeah, with Felipe, right? One of my least favorite movies. Oh, is that a Macquarie? Yes. Is that a Macquarie? Pardon me. Is that Macquarie? It's one of the worst Tarantino ripoffs of that generation that is rife with Tarantino ripoffs. Oof.

And I remember at the time feeling that. I was a young man going like, give me these movies. And feeling put off by that. Yeah, that's an early Macquarie. But I love Usual Suspects. But he, Macquarie directed Way of the Gun. Is that right? Yes. So that was a true... See, if any of you have listened to our hour-long gripe session on Mission Impossible Final Reckoning... Yeah, we find the love when we can. Yeah, we try. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We couldn't. We had a final reckoning of sorts with Macquarie. Pardon me, is that a bit of Macquarie? It's only a half Macquarie still interested. Yeah. And Philippi, in Brantley Palmer's notes, we found out that he got the role because Reese Witherspoon was asked, hey, who would you cast for this person? This was before they worked together on Cruel Intentions. And she recommended Ryan Phillippe. Felipe? Phillippe? I think it's... Flappy. Phillip.

Philip. No, I think it's Philip. I honestly don't know. Is it Philippe? I think you pronounce that E in some way, but there's Philippe. It's not Felipe. No. It's Philippe. Ryan Philippe. Ryan Philippe. I don't know. Ryan Filet Mignon. Whoa. What was that noise? Something over there dropped over. Oh, it's just a little tile sample. Was it laughing so hard it fell over? It knows what we did last summer. What did we do last summer? What season did we do? What did we do? What was last summer?

Was it more one-offs? Yeah. Or that wasn't Yuppie season two, was it? No, I think that was autumnal. Yeah, I wonder what was... What was it not liking? What does it know we did last summer? Yeah, what do you guys know that we did last summer? Yeah, write it in the comments. Yeah, let us know what we did last summer right now, friends. Oh, Butcher, Leatherface. Yeah, kind of. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Kane Hodder and Toe.

Tow truck driver Kane Hodder in tow on Tubi. Oh, cop from Maniac Cop. That's good. Yeah. True blue collar. Yeah, that's right. Blue everything. Yeah. Yeah. Blue collar. Blue hat. Sometimes. Sometimes they have a blue hat. The guns aren't the same color as their uniform. They should have blue guns. Well, you know, I don't want to get into here, but you know, guns.

that are dark and not nickel colored are technically, that's called blue. That's a process called bluing where you turn the metal to a dark and it does have like a blue sheen to it. Oh, so like blue steel. Yes. So I guess I was, yeah. You were right. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe deep down I knew about that. I think you did. And I think you just needed a friend to.

to back you up and I get it. Now this movie opens, I've thought for sure there's going to be a Miramax movie. Have we ever watched a Mandalay pictures? film before because I remember this logo so well, this Logo Loco. Oh, yes. But I don't think we've covered any. No. I mean, this Mandalay logo is a movie into itself. It really is. It's like a... short before the feature. The first time I saw it, I remember being like, Jesus, okay, Mandalay. Easy. It's also because it's like also...

Like the image is like a tiger. Well, yeah, it's a jungle and a black and white film that goes into a color selected film that then goes into a logo. I know that you got to like, as a studio present yourself as like, we're the shit. Yeah. But like, give us, I like a Pegasus from Tristar coming. Me too. This feels like the first one that ever.

said, we're going to take our time and show you a little story of some kind, which I think is a really horrible trend. Me too. Especially when you've got eight of them before a movie. I know. What's the one where the archer shoots an arrow through the letters? Oh, like... Alco. It's like, I think it's, yeah, maybe Bell Gibson's one. Yeah. Like lightning hits the road. Yeah. At least that one's quick. Orion, TriStar, Dream.

Although DreamWorks, there's been a lot of different DreamWorks ones. Just give me a kid fishing on the moon. I don't need to see the landscape. I don't need to travel into the Paramount Mountain. And we rarely also, along with our first Mandalay.

I'm going to guess this isn't true, that we have watched a Columbia Pictures movie. We have to have. Yeah, I'm sure we had to have. But it's pretty rare. And I think also their contributions to... horror are not are there's sparse compared to probably other ones i would venture mandalay or columbia columbia oh

You know, obviously Universal has a history. Yeah. Paramount. And then Warner Brothers releases all the new line. Right. Everybody makes their contribution. I don't really know. Columbia. Yeah. I couldn't tell you. The scariest movie they released was.

Ishtar, man. It was Ishtar. But like, yeah, the... Just seeing like a... a Columbia studio and it is like if you just compare them to like yeah the other slashers even the ones up to that point like so at the beginning it's all like what they call a negative pickup like an independent company

makes it on their own. Yeah. And then they sell it to the studio. So John Carpenter sells it to. So they don't even know that this movie is going to get sold. It's not guaranteed. They're taking, that's their risk. Not with, I know what you did last summer, but with like. Halloween and Friday the 13th. Those are like exploitation filmmakers who were trying to sell a movie to an exploitation producer.

or exhibitor who would then like release it or distributor. Yeah. This is the right. But then this one is like, and what you said too, with like Miramax, like dimension. Think of all the horror movies that we've watched with Dimension, and that's like Disney's, at the time, covert way. of releasing horror movies, like through the scrubbing of like Miramax and then dimension. Right. But like, just to do like a clean Columbia pictures presents. Yeah.

I know what you did last summer. And it is like. Yeah, this movie opens with a helicopter shot over the ocean and landing on somebody sitting at the edge of a cliff. This is all shot near Bodega Bay where the birds were shot, even though most of this movie was shot in North Carolina. Whoa. All the accident scenes because apparently...

Apparently the roads are so flat in North Carolina, they needed rocky coastal twisting curves. So they shot this stuff in California. It would explain why the water was usually on the left. Yeah. Politically. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my gosh. I got stuck at a party talking to the water on the right. This water voted for Clinton twice. What did he say? I still wish I could vote for him.

Matt, I have to, I know what you did last pee. I, I. Oh, I know what you peed last summer. That's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. But it doesn't cover all bathroom stuff. I mean, I'm not going to go. poop. I know you did last bummer. Yeah. I know what I did last bummer. That's the title for say with me diarrhea. I don't think I've ever said the words poop or diarrhea. Have I on this podcast? Yeah.

Probably. I don't know, but I still haven't. And I'm not going to let you drag me down. You know why? Because I felt weird saying it in front of you. Because I'm like, I don't think that I've ever heard. No poop diarrhea. Are you kidding? I'm right there with you. Come on. The bad boy of comedy. Oh man, I don't, I work blue. I work brown. I work steel blue. Blue steel. I work blue steel. It's true though. This, these guns, they're blue. They're not, they're not black.

That would be a funny, yeah, comedian marksman. He goes, I work blue. Steal. Yeah. Just for the NRA, like corporate comedy gigs. Yeah. I'll let you pee. Go ahead. Bye. We'll be right back. BetterHelp Online Therapy bought this 30-second ad to remind you. Right now, wherever you are, to unclench your jaw. Relax your shoulders. Take a deep breath in. And out.

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We're back. Now, Matt, people might not know this with the live scream, but not only do we see what other trustees are writing.

but the other trustees get to see what the other trustees are in. Yeah, and they get to talk to each other. So they're talking to each other and having fun. It's a community, and you can be a part of it by subscribing at the Baby Xenomorph level. And soon, not too long, maybe a few months, we'll have some... proper cameras in here I think oh cool I've been looking into some stuff where I think it's even like

operates on its own voice activation thing so it'll cut between you and me when we're talking. Matt, that would be nifty. That's my plan. Yeah. I love that. Now I have a reason to wear my pearls. Outside your t-shirt. You've always got them on. I just thought you had some weird clavicle. It's that too. I mean, I wear it to cover up the weird clavicle. Speaking of the live stream, I was bringing it up because somebody had a really good pee break.

twist on the title, I Know What You Did Last Summer. CC Handel told us, I flow what you did last summer. Did you announce that already? Not on the podcast, but on it. Okay. Yeah, I was now trying to think of one for the sequel. I... I will flow. Instead of I still flow. I still know. I will flow. But that should be like the name of a part three. I will know.

what you do next summer. That's the prequel. Yeah, I will do not. I will do no. Now, is the new movie a reboot? Because it's called I Know What You Did Last Summer. But Jennifer Love Hewitt. and freddy prince jr are in this new movie interesting so it might be probably a legacy scream called yeah yeah yeah well Well, my second note, and if you would have ever told me when we started this podcast that I would ever just have a second note that was Southern culture on the skids.

Do you know that band? Is that them singing? That's the band in this. Yeah. Well, my second note that I wrote was 90s sludge grunge rock cover of Summer Breeze. Oh, yeah. So now I know that that was. Yeah. Oh, no, that's not. Southern Culture on This Kids. Southern Culture on This Kids is the band that's playing at the festival. They're like surf rock band. They used to have a song that was big on album alternative radio in the 90s called Camel Walk.

You make me want to walk like a camel. Yeah. And it was like, you know, twangy reverb guitar. I actually liked the band. Yeah. And they were very tongue in cheek. So it was weird to see them in the mix with all these kind of. emo post-grunge alt-rock bands like the Summer Breeze thing and everything. Yeah, yeah. Where were they in the movie? They were playing at the... They're in the... Yeah, in the movie. They show them playing...

at the parade or the festival. Oh, cool. Yeah. Yeah. Were they in the credits? They should have like above the title. I know. Well, they kind of, if I remember correctly and they show them this, the girl has like a beehive updo. And then the main guy was like, always like trucker kind of hillbilly look. Yeah. They had a real thing going. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever that kind of was like.

alternative skis country blues yeah uh the uh yeah the big flashy opening and then we get the introduction of our, uh, our quartet. Yeah. And this quartet's interesting. Cause we've talked about that, like the slashers, the like divide of like, um, in a movie, they'll either kind of make the characters.

sympathetic but by the time the killer becomes cool or people are root for him they have to make the other characters less sympathetic so you don't you root for them getting killed right this one it's interesting i feel like out of the four there's like who you want to kill. Yeah. And then the other three are sympathetic. But isn't that interesting? Because I get the feeling that the original intention was that the Philippi and then...

whatever shivers, whoever Sarah Michelle Gellar is, we're supposed to be the ones you want to see die. But you end up liking Sarah Michelle Gellar's character quite a bit. Matt, I had this thought watching it where I was like, okay, this is like a little interesting version of the slasher because the two of them each are in equal ways like final girls. Because if a final girl is supposed to have the investigative gaze, they see what other people see. They're more aware of the dangers.

There was that whole run where Sarah Michelle Gellar is with police in the back and she's going like, you don't understand. There's a killer. You're not listening to me. And then she looks out and sees him like. this is all final girl stuff. Like usually the, and I wondered like in Brantley's notes, it said that like,

Buffy was just starting to film. They first thought they couldn't get her because they couldn't get her released. But by the time this movie came out, the second season was just starting. So she was like a huge star. This happens to her in Scream 2 as well, like the same year. She plays like a second banana who gets killed. She doesn't survive to the ending. And it's like, man, they didn't know.

Geller could have held up her own horror movie entirely, a whole franchise. Yeah. But in this, it's like... I don't know if it was like her star was growing as they were making the movie. So they kept like waiting and editing it. So they kept waiting her character. That when they got her and auditioned her, they were just like, she's perfect for this. So I wonder if they did beef up. even if it wasn't necessarily script, but just thick.

direction and the camera. They give her, she's got a lot of dimension to her character, way more than Jennifer Love Hewitt. Jennifer Love Hewitt basically starts and ends. She makes the bad decision and regrets it and pays for it. Sarah Michelle Gellar's character goes from this kind of haughty pageant queen to being humbled in New York and coming back. You're right. She does have the better character. And like the one with like this, you know, you get to see them.

go from one point to the other. Uh, Hewitt is always kind of from beginning to end the like scold or, you know, the, the, and she auditioned for the shivers part originally. Right. Yeah. So then.

but then requested this other. Not sure what happened. And there's just a lot of conflicting stories on the set too, because. apparently Jennifer Love Hewitt said it was the best director she's ever worked with, but he was also very, very mean to Freddie Prinze Jr. But the director himself has said that he loved Freddie Prinze Jr. and fought for him. But the story, Freddie Prinze Jr., and it seems like has...

according to Brantley and some stuff I've read has more merit to it is that this guy was pretty awful to him. The studio wanted him, but the director didn't. He had to audition like five times, but then Ryan Felipe supported him throughout it. I thought Freddie Prinze Jr. is pretty great for this part. Like he's just kind of playing it right. And he has more dimension too than Ryan Phillippe. Right. In Brantley's notes, it was supposed to be that the director wanted Jeremy Sisto.

And the studio did it. And I would take a Pringed Junior over Sisto any day of the week, particularly with like a part like this where you're supposed to like... Yeah. Yeah. He's got a very vulnerable thing that works well for this. Yeah. It's his best quality. He's like, really.

When he's on screen, you care about whatever guy he's played. It does seem like it's because the man himself has a good soul. Especially when you find out these two have been married since 2002 and they've been together this whole time. It does make you... feel like, oh, someone could do it. When I was watching this, that was like the thing that put the biggest smile on my face was like...

this movie brought these two together. They did. They met through, you know, this movie and then they hit it off and then later got married. And, you know, now they're famously one of Hollywood's longest term couple. Like they're going to be. Like our Paul Newman and John Woodward. In every way. Where is your salad dressing, Prince's own? But yeah, I think he's awesome in this. And if it was, well, not awesome, but he's great. Yeah, he's right what you want. Jeremy Sisto, he'd be too much.

He'd have Phillippe's energy too much. I can only conjure up certain memories of Jeremy Sisto because I'm thinking of Jared Leto just because their names are similar. But is their essence kind of similar too? Sisto and Lelope's essences are the same. Oh, okay. Oh, no. Oh, is Sisto's essence the same as Leto? Yes. Leno? Leno. Jared Leto as Jay Leno in Mysteries of the Night. It was a fisherman.

Yeah, I want my denim. Yeah. You never want my denim. That's like the big Oscar clip. What are you waiting for, huh? What are you waiting for? Huh? I never wear a turtleneck sport. I'm a little stinker. Oh, I tried to draw a fisherman. I did. I did draw a fisherman. Gordon's fisherman. You know what? Screw Jared Leto as Jay Leto. I want Jay Leto as Jared Leto in like a myopic. I certainly. Hey, I don't know if I can do this part. It's my so-called wife.

Why is Matthew McCartney so skinny? Do I have to lose the weight too? How am I still in movies with apparently all the things I've done? Don't I have a cult or something? Yeah, going back to the COVID conversation, what's it? Jared Leto, the one who came out of his cult hiding, that he was like, COVID what? Wait, what's going on here? COVID huh? Yeah, COVID who? But he's in the new Tron movie, this guy. Yeah, they're changing it to call it Letotron. I think that's too far.

Letotron. You've now entered my Tron. Did you forget that my name is Leto? I want to be in panic room. The fisherman doesn't wear enough denim or drive around and that's the bear cat.

So when they're all talking at the beginning here, all the teens, this is like, look, the people in Scream, they're pretty quippy. Yeah. But the characters in this movie, like. I like that their quippiness will like be even in like agitated. Yeah.

Yeah. It's very written. Yeah. The time that you would most not be able to like use words is like, well, there's still like, like after they throw the guy into the water and Ryan Phillippe screaming at them about like why they can't talk about it. He's like. This ends with a mutual therapy bill for all of us. I'm like, Jesus. Come on. You don't got time to quit. This guy on screen doesn't know how to say that.

You know, like this character as acted doesn't know how to conjure that sentence. Right. I'm not saying he can't speak or say that, but he just wouldn't think of it. He would just be screaming, I'll beat this shit on you over and over again. Yeah. But one of her first lines, it's so Williamson-esque, Matt. They're talking about the pageant going on. She goes, guys, come on.

I'm on sexist overload as it is. Kill the commentary. They're all talking like Dennis Miller. And not just because I said it, like Dennis Miller. But I love Kevin Williamson's. And he did that movie sick. That was like a COVID based twist on like Friday the 13th. That was really great. Oh, I don't think I said that. And I like screenwriters who don't.

necessarily like write how they're not trying to articulate it's heightened I like movies like that too when they're done really well yeah it's what you love about Shakespeare in Love is kind of that way it's like rising to the occasion of Shakespeare's quippiness. Yes. But when you have, you have to have really good actors for it, you know? That was my favorite thing about Mank.

was the they did the old-fashioned like dialogue talk where they're like everybody's really witty yeah um and i you know so like there's a part of it that's like corny or embarrassing but The thing I know is like, especially with like Kevin Williamson is the way they talk will always have some sort of like, it does come out of their character. So it's not just like empty quips.

anything they kind of talk and the way they say it or the point of view that they express in it does like express who they are. So you just get like a deeper character in one of his horror movies than you might in another kind of like non-dimensional character. So bring on the quits. Sarah Michelle Gellar, for the most part, pulled those things off. Like Jennifer Love Hewitt doesn't really get match.

Same with Prince. The other two get a lot of the like more clever lines. And yeah, that line you talked about, the Dennis Miller one wasn't good. But even when she's like mounting him on the beach saying, you know, I'll go to college and you'll be a quarterback. And then.

you'll go into rehab and stuff like that. I thought that was, she delivers that stuff pretty well. The only thing I will say about Sarah Michelle Gellar is she's just not a convincing smoker. Jennifer Love Hewitt or Sarah? Sarah Michelle Gellar. She's just kind of doing that like really timid. ginger pudding and don't inhale kind of thing. I mean, is there a bigger tell in true on the camera or behind the scenes usage? Yeah, from Sean Penn to Sarah Michelle Gellar.

Anywhere in between. That's true. Who are some of the great... I always like when John Travolta smokes a cigarette. De Niro. De Niro's a good singer. Yes. Telly Savalas on Her Majesty's Secret Service holds it like this, but it's sticking out. I love that little hold. You know, I never, I tried. I tried smoking cigarettes, man. I tried. But, you know, I've smoked cigarettes before. The times I most wish I was a smoker was when I'm like reading.

a book and like seated in a chair. Yeah. I'm like, it would be nice to be doing something with my other hand while I do something with my eyes. I love having a cigarette. I don't. at all like smoking them but i love having one to put in my it's not even an oral fixation it's the the tactile yeah element of that i just love it hey well we were talking about uh how

Harrison Ford and Chevy Chase both share finger work. They're both really funny. I didn't mention this before, but I thought it before we started recording. You're in the best way possible. Your cap and long hair sticking out is very cool, Fletch-like. Oh, thank you. You know how he has that cool style with the ball cap and the long hair popping out? But yeah, Jennifer Love Hewitt is like...

She definitely comes from that Neve Campbell, Party of Five, WB. Literally and just stylistically. I mean, I think she's pulling stuff from just working with Neve Campbell and like. replicating what she sees Neve Campbell do because they do such an art of the like looking away to collect their thoughts.

squinting and then speaking like breathy, like there's no greater lip or eyebrow work than by Jennifer Love Hewitt. It's really doing like the, and I don't know if it's just because. They're characters who are angsty. I think it's them maybe trying to give their parts much because at least this character as written, there's just not much to it. Yeah, it's a thin... It's that curse of your main character in a comedy in a horror movie.

Can't be the most interesting. Or they often aren't. They should be, but they're not necessarily in a comedy. Well, a comedy if it's a normal person in an unusual setting kind of comedy. Yeah. But you have someone like Jamie Lee Curtis is a pretty good actor. for some reason, pulls it off better for me. It's not that Jennifer Love, she was not good. She serves this movie well, I think. But I'm trying to think of what are the horror movies where that...

Final girl who's not the character sidekick victim really has a presence. Even Jamie Lee Curtis was a little raw. She was still kind of not at her acting. levels she got to. Yeah. It does have to be like a character who has an essence that feels on its own multi-dimensional. Well, the Friday the 13th too. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Like Ginny in that. But I was going to say it takes two things. Like her whatever.

things she brings to the camera. And then on a plot level, she gets the like, just the tiniest bit of thing like that. She was, uh, she's studying psychology in college. Yeah. So then at the end of Friday the 13th part two, when she. pretends to be the mom you go oh and she she also has that scene about like i have sympathy for this guy and what his situation is he probably just needs a mom and then when she goes and puts the sweater on yeah can mind game him to like uh

Yeah, that's like... Really, it seems like the requirement to... Remember we always liked the confusing not final girl in part five of Halloween? Yes. Yeah. But she seems like it for a while she's going to be the final girl, but then isn't. Yeah, gets killed and then her friend with the dark hair becomes the final girl. Like the girl from part four who survives. Well, not...

Yeah, but doesn't the dark hair girl get killed too? Yes, I think by the end she does. And the only one left standing is Daniel Harris. Yeah, so all of them. And speaking of that, apparently Daniel Harris...

auditioned to be the main role in this as well. Yeah, and she's in Urban Legend, which like their little campfire story, it's interesting because it has like screen flavors where you have like the... characters who know enough or are sophisticated enough to say something like that's a story that's just been crafted to keep teen teen girls from having sex like that kind of like

way of awareness that wouldn't necessarily be in the first, in the, in Halloween two in 1981. And then she goes on to have sex. That's right. Which is an interesting comment because is this punishment coming because of that? But she also doesn't die. And also, it's alluded to, it seems like this is her first time. And imagine your first time being on a wet... Sandy beach. Sandy beach. Yeah. If they just on a logistical level, if they hadn't had sex, they would have left the beach earlier.

And then they wouldn't have been on the road at that time to hit the guy. You know, he would have already. Or if they would have had more loving sex, they would have taken their time and they would have missed this guy. But instead they had passionate. teen sinful sex, which exactly lined them up. Final Destination style.

Urban legend. How many of those are there? Uh, two. They're really fun. I've seen the first one. We should do those. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I love it. And then urban legends. Final cut is really good. Cause it's, um, it's. It's the sequel. Oh. But it's like... They're doing final on the second movie? Yeah, well, because it's like about movies.

So that's like a fun combo that they're doing. I wonder if I've seen that. I know I've seen the first one because a man and I went through all these 90s ones. That's a Leto. That's a Leto. Is it? Jay Leno is an urban legend. So is this urban legend? Is there a sequence about the gerbil and Richard Gere? How about the cigar and Monica Lewinsky?

They're all celebrity ones. Yeah. Just the pop culture urban legend. But yeah, when they're at the campfires, they kind of talk like scream, but then they also, yeah, like plant the seed of like an urban legend, which would be its own movie. Rod Stewart drank a gallon of semen. Go! They brought Leno in for the Urban Legend movie and just shot him talking to cameras saying different pop culture Urban Legends. Rod Serling style. He just introduces it.

In the late 1970s, there's a popular rumor going around grade schools and discotheques that Rod Stewart drank a gallon of semen. Marilyn Manson took on his rib to suck his little Marilyn Manson. On the other one, bitch, head off a bat. That one's not salacious enough. Richie can't put a gerbil up his butt or something.

Okay, am I done here? Show us, quick wit. That was an impromptu show I did one time. It was a late night after Saturday Night Live TV show and you'd get the concept and they'd go, show us Quick Wits. I watched Quick Wits. What? You did? Were you on Quick Wits? I was on Quick Wits. I would watch so much Quick Wits. I haven't thought about Quick Wits since. Oh my God, man. This is amazing. Quick Wits. I told you. For the listeners, spelled K-W-I-K-W-I-T-Z. Yeah. I remember Quick Wits.

I mean, you're bound to watch anything that's on like after Saturday Night Live, right? Because there's like hardly anything else on and why turn the TV and what the fuck is this? Yeah. Do you remember anything you did? I just did. I don't know if I know I did one episode, maybe another. Maybe I did two. I don't remember. Oh my God. I did it with Jeff Davis. Live screamers. Can you believe this quick wit shit? I did it with Jeff Davis and it was all.

Improv as Allah, whose line is it anyway? But almost all of it was scripted and rehearsed. And not to our liking, but they just kind of made you do that. Try not to make up a feeling from a memory. But I think my friends and I would watch it and we'd be like, this doesn't feel... It wasn't. It feels written. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, a lot of people...

I wouldn't say came out of there because that's not what launched them, but they, but like, well, Wayne Brady was on there. Alex Borstein. A lot of people, I didn't even know who they were at the time. And I think. This came up on the Conan podcast about me doing this show and we looked into it and I was surprised to find out who was on this show. Oh, wow. Other names. I'm forgetting them. Yeah. Oh, whoa. That's where you got long.

Yeah. So it's quick width. Anyway. Yeah. It's actually a kind of a tragedy that the two of them ended up having their falling out because Conan and Jay Leno were both quick width teammates. Yeah, they were. Against. Carson and Letterman. Hey, Dave, why don't we go get these guys? Okay, Johnny. and Paul Schaefer and Doc Severinsen did all the music in like a mashup style yeah with Jimmy Bovino and Branford Marsalis yeah Branford Marsalis yeah Okay. Okay. Yeah, that line.

You're going to go off and start dating some tattooed nose pierced. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's good. I love it. Anytime a character is like, you're a jaywalking, trash talking. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay.

That sequence where they hit the guy on the road. I mean, it's what I know what you know what Summer's all about. But they're like, when he's... That ludicrous scene of him outside the... sunroof of the car yeah and uh they got k-rock blasting just whatever that kind of alterna rock yeah um but i gotta say that sequence

from them driving, hitting the guy and deciding to dispose of the body. That's the, that's tops, man. It's good. Yeah. It's like well-crafted suspense, but then also like the drama of a group of characters trying to convince somebody to do something that they don't want to do. And then like slowly coming around to like their arguments and reasoning or like, God, maybe this is the best way to handle this situation. Yeah. I, I, I really liked the.

This is a jumping off point and also props to like this slasher in a first movie having such a iconic look. Like it's a shame that like they didn't make a bunch more of these because you could imagine like. A poster, like one of those posters where all the killers are like playing poker or something. And he gets to sit with like...

Jason and Freddy and Chucky you know yeah he could have been up there there's all those also rands like this guy the Jeepers Creepers guy because he has a pretty good look yes that's true um Yeah, like we said, My Bloody Valentine, The Prowler, Dr. Giggles, Jigsaw. Those guys are all looking in the window of the room where Michael, Freddie, and Jason are playing poker's ghost face.

Yeah. Chucky. Right. Well, they should. Jigsaw and Chucky should have like a kid's table. Why Jigsaw? Because Jigsaw is small. Is he? Oh, there's the human that controls the little puppet. I was thinking of the jigsaw puppet. Oh, you're right. Oh, yeah. Red. Oh, I see. You're right. I've only seen the first saw. I've seen the first Saw. I've only seen Saw. I've seen Saw 1. Oh, I want that. Galecki shows up. Yeah.

give me gloss, give me slickness. I love it. These movies like I, I'll take a, you know, but other slashers are more like rough around the edges. Even the ones after this, like those like Michael Bay productions, like they get really into the grime. And if they want to show somebody who's like a townie hick, they like really use makeup and stuff to like Rob Zombie style sell like putridness.

but like Jonathan Galecki is supposed to be like the salt of the earth. Like he says to like, uh, Philippi, like you're going to wipe that your shit. Don't stink. Smile off your face. And it's like, he looks like he's at a gap ad. I know. Well, that's what was so confusing because his character, unless I missed a line of dialogue, seems very sympathetic at first. And then the next scene, he's just a prick.

I don't know if that was something with the strip because I know his death scene is really good, but that was... added after the fact. They went back for reshoots for that in the end because they realized they just didn't have enough up front for a horror movie. And it's the best to, like... kill in the whole movie, so you're let down a little bit. Yeah, that's true. The director didn't want much gore or blood.

the makeup person said it was like the least amount of blood they used on any horror movie. And right. The Galecki thing was like an additional shooting. They went back and got it because people were like, Hey, where's the blood. And it. makes the Philippi stuff suffer because, you know, he's been an asshole this whole time. You really want to see him get his. And like, there's a closeup of when Philippi's like being killed up in the balcony.

It's just a close up on his face and you don't even see any blood. You don't see like blood splatter up on him or anything. That's why I'm curious to see the second one because I think they went a lot more violent apparently. Yeah. Well, I saw that one in the theater too. Oh, you did?

been not since. So I'm excited. I know I've seen it, but I don't remember. I remember Jack Black being in it. Seriously? Yeah. Really? Yeah. Oh, wow. I thought he would have been big enough at that point. I guess this was his... the Jackal era. It would have been, yeah, 1998. Yeah. And I knew who Jack Black was at the time. High Fidelity? High Fidelity, yeah. It was like 2000. Oh, wow. Okay. Jeez. But he was not known enough.

Even if I didn't say, no, his name is Jack Black. I was like, oh, he's that guy. I'm looking forward to that then. Yeah. I could be wrong. What if I totally Harvey'd an appearance by Jack Black? Let me check. I'm like, yeah, and there was a big six foot rabbit in the movie too, man. Right, Paul, you freak. Did you, we all live screamers shocked as much as I was about the.

quick wits i don't think most people know what that is it's um the other actors are brandy mckay pfeiffer yep i remember brandy mckay pfeiffer being in it jeffrey combs um Jennifer Esposito, John Hawks. Interesting. Red West. Wow. No Jack Black. Uh-oh. Mark Boone Jr. Is that who you're thinking of maybe? He's not in it. There's no Jack Black. No, you did Harvey him. Oh my God. Virtual insanity. Red West is in this. That was like Elvis's Svengali.

Really? Yeah. I'm going to start crying that I didn't, that I misremembered Jack Black was in this movie. I guess the colonel was Elvis of Svengali. He was Elvis's buddy. That's right. And what would he, did he try to have his own singing career or was he acted in Elvis movies with him? No. Yeah. I think he was just part of his entourage. Yeah. Like one of those, like, you know, like,

What it was like. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, thank you, boys. Hey, wait out in the car for me. Go get the Cadillac with the ram horns on the front. Keep it running. Yeah, I like a Cadillac with a ram horse and then peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Deep-fried peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Oh-ho. Greaseland. Oh-ho. I'm Randall Tex Cobb. Hey, in the late 80s and early 90s, it was a thing that there were sightings of me. Uh-huh. Elvis sighted at the floor!

Seen any good editions of the Enquirer lately? Uh-huh. We gotta go. Gotta go. Hanging out with Andy Kaufman. We're coming back. Oh, that'd be awesome if Andy Kaufman and Elvis Presley... did like a gotcha tour. Yeah. And it always opens with them coming out going, gotcha. Everybody's like, yeah. Then they do duets. Elvis lip syncs Mighty Mouse.

anti-compensating suspicious minds. The... Oh, but the... I think watching the... the just angsty stuff of this and, and whatever the millennial age group that they were trying to dip into, I think is equal to whatever the Hughes era, like.

I'd be interested in seeing population levels for adolescents in the mid-80s and then late 90s. Is that when the bigger... More populous previous generations were having kids more. There's more of a market. Interesting, yeah. Was there that many teen movies in 1991? No. Career opportunities? It does seem like a 10-year gap. Yeah. Yeah, career opportunities. Red Dawn. No, that was 84, right? Yeah.

Yeah, you're right. It does feel that way. And then when do you get the next round? In the later 2000s? Or just population has been dropping? Yeah, so like the late Audis. And I wonder when the post-millennial... When they have the most disposable income or something and they're having movies made most towards them. But I can't think of like...

a teen movie craze. I mean, maybe it's because teenagers, they're just not as going in. No, I think they're tick tocking a friend. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This, it used to be, they, we knew stars from movies. Now we know people from it. TikTok trends. Ooh, scathing commentary, Paul. This movie's really a whodunit. Yeah. Because it's not, it has got a little slasher stuff, but it's more, it really is more of a mystery thriller.

Yeah, because he got the red herrings. You're like, ooh, maybe it's Sarah Michelle Gellar's sister, that character. And if it wasn't for the language, it could just be on TV and be PG. 13 because there's no nudity and very little violence. Well, it's funny that Prince and Prince Jr. and Geller ended up being in Scooby-Doo because this is like Scooby-Doo with the guy at the end. revealing himself it really is yeah the the killer too it it it's funny how it's not a a twist

It is the guy that they hit. It's just a reveal. I mean, it's kind of a twist because you assume that guy's dead. So anybody who's writing letters would just be... He doesn't say... I know you killed me last summer. It's like, I know what you did last summer. So it's like the possibility. So the fact that it's just like, it was the guy who they... And I'm assuming he's the guy in the second one because he just falls off the boat missing a hand.

Oh, I have to tell you something. What? Related to missing a hand. This is horrible. But my daughter saw a man in public. who was missing a leg and he had his pants tied up and her response you know how it is when you have a kid and they see something for the first time she said why he only got one shoe that's so sweet Not that he was missing a leg. She was concerned that he didn't have two shoes. That is so good. I had to go to some like...

grown-up conference meeting in high school. When I was in high school, it was like my older sisters were in high school and my mom had to go to some meeting thing.

people could bring their kids if like they wouldn't couldn't be at home or have a sitter or something so i was just like sitting there with my mom with some other parents and their kids and being bored you know yeah and the woman seated in front of us uh ripped a big fart and i turned to my mom and i couldn't get out more than like half a word of did you And she was like...

She like clamped down on it so hard. It was like, you are not going to give me an embarrassing situation. Like I feel for this lady who just farted. But of course I wouldn't just scream. Did you just hear that lady fart? I know what you did last summer fought. A little too comic sans. Yeah. You mean his writing? Yeah. Yeah.

Like in the notes. It's so funny. Like the handwriting is like not a fisherman. No. It's like your third grade teacher. It is strange. Yeah, like a cue card writer. Yes. It's so legible. Yeah, absolutely. And I guess that's maybe the part of the red herring of it. Like they don't want to tip it like. Oh, you got to imagine that Sarah Michelle Gellar's older sister. It has to be man and woman possible. Yeah. A unisex. That's funny. I didn't think about that. Yeah.

But even down to the end when she already knows who it is and he's still writing on the shower wall or the bathroom mirror. Oh, that mirror handwriting at the end is so perfectly legible. Come on. We've tried righty. Yeah. It just drips down. That thing's like perfectly like.

what was this guy's skill? He should be devoting himself to the light of work. Well, maybe that's it. Maybe he did this all on purpose. Now that the takeaway for me when I was sitting in the theater watching it, I know what you did last summer.

the thing that hit me most and the thing that years after, anytime I would reflect, you know, I know he did last summer. This is what I would think about. I remember being really surprised and in a. great way that a year later they were not happy. Yeah. That's like so good. Yeah. Like when they go back to them and like they started in the theater seeing scenes of like.

Oh, Sarah Michelle Gellar, she works at the department store. And Prince Jr. and Hewitt, they broke up and he still works in the town. And Sarah Michelle Gellar and Ryan... philippi hate each other that like that is all really good uh it's like the force awakens from return of the jedi you know yes broken up and yeah gotta gotta get them uh back together yeah also i think it resonated too with me because

I was 16. So I'm like watching older people, like what their lives are going to be like, Oh, is that what I've been told that your freshman year of college at the end, you come back and you're all friends again. Yeah. Not this. I'm depressed in my dorm room. Yeah. Shit. Um, did you, what do you call the shirt that used to be called like the wife beater?

What do you call it now? I don't know. Like undershirt? Yeah, I guess an undershirt. Would you say this is peak? That time. Yeah, because both he and Freddie, Felipe and Prince have them on. There's a scene where they both have them on. He was wearing white. The other is wearing black. It looks so ridiculous, man. Yeah. What's up? Why?

I know. Especially because they're wearing like big baggy pants too. Yeah. Did you ever, I never rocked that look. No, I was too skinny. I mean, frankly, they are too, but. I was too skinny. Ryan Felipe does not. Freddie Prinze Jr. pulls it off a little better, I think. Yeah. I guess he had to lose weight, work out, and get a different haircut.

to satisfy either the producers or the director, depending on who you believe. But you have Ryan Felipe is just this little twerp. And so he's so angry and angsty. With curly hair. Yeah, with curly hair. and that voice that kind of he's got that speech affectation that he does that kind of drives me crazy and he's definitely yeah that speech and then the

He's definitely in the like body movement mold of a Brad Pitt. Yeah. Like whatever all young actors were like ripping that off. The Johnny Depp. Yeah. Almost Jack Sparrow movement, you know. Yes. Galecki Kill is great. When he gets attacked by Philippi and then says... I mean, he should be so pissed off. And even in that heated moment, he screams at him, I'll call the cops in your college quarterback ass. Yeah. Time for a quip.

I can squeeze it a little quick there. But yeah, that hook under the chin is so good. And the blood streaking across the table. Very good. Well done. And then I love the sequence of Phillippe when he's in the gym alone. He comes out and he talks to the guy at the desk who could like give a shit. And then Phil B steps out and then the guy's in the car and you get like a little mini Christine moment of like your car chasing around. Like that's really good too. What's interesting is the.

The fisherman killer sort of gives all the main characters one scare before he tries to kill them. Like he cuts Sarah Michelle Geller's hair, Sarah Michelle Geller's hair, Yuri Geller's hair, and he scares Felipe with the car in the gym. And then Jennifer Love Hewitt gets Galecki with the crabs. Yeah.

So it's either, like, a movie having to stretch out, like, oh, there's only four characters, so we have to stretch out, like, the suspense sequences as best we can. But also, you know, you can look at it from the killer's perspective, like, like a cat enjoys... plane with the spray. Yeah. And what was I going to say that? Oh, I forget. Well, because that guy, the way he can pull a fast one, because he does that with showing Galecki in the trunk with the crabs. Whatever his stage work...

That's what I was going to say. I wondered that. His cleanup is incredible because he slaughters Ryan Felipe in the balcony and they are right up there after looking and there's only a little bit of blood on the Newell post. It's wild. And he cleans up all those crabs and a dead body. I know someone on IMDb noticed that later you see the fisherman's van and that van is actually present at the scene.

when Jennifer Love Hewitt opens up the thing, so he's able to put the body in the van. Yeah, but all of those crap, that's ridiculous. Otherwise, this movie's unassailable. I mean, are they saying that as a fisherman? who like guts and cleans fish and has to handle crabs and stuff all day. He's just like really good at cleanup. Like that's like why he could be moved faster than the other person. I guess. Cause it's just way too fast. Yeah. This guy.

plays the killer. His name is Muse Watson. His name is Muse. That's the actor's name? Apparently very, very, very sweet and got along very well as like an avuncular figure to all the girls. But I just love that a sweet man named Muse is your fisherman killer. He also can't help even in a Kevin. Williamson movie, the slasher can't help quit when Freddie Prinze Jr. comes out and goes, welcome aboard. That's at the end. Yeah.

The thing that undoes it for me a little bit is that when you get to him out of his Fisher costume and he's just in Gap Basics, which I understand like fishermen would wear, but these are just very- off the rack. There's no like wear and tear to them. He's got a denim shirt. It's the biggest mistake this effing movie makes. What happened, Matt? Why would anybody on set think it was a good idea?

to take off this amazing like silhouette. Or if you do, you've had the opportunity to disfigure him because of the car accident and mangle him and have a grotesque figure. And it really seems like the director was against all that. Yeah. It's just like a dad. It really is. Like One Tree Hill or something, whatever that is, or Seventh Heaven or any of these things, I don't know what I'm talking about. No, yeah. A WB dad is like what comes up. Like, keep it on the whole time. That was so...

Weird. Yeah. Along with, yeah, that Jennifer Love Hewitt is arguably the final girl compared to, I mean, I know Sarah Michelle Gellar is more on board with like the line. So she wouldn't necessarily be. the untarnished final girl but just her where she begins and ends like we said before like that's a that's a more cooler way that she offs this guy the person who started off being like yeah you know shallow or whatever um the uh

Another really great suspense scene when Geller goes up to her bedroom and there's the open closet door and you hear the breathing inside. That was really spooky. And then like an urban legend, she wakes up and it's written on her mirror. It's funny imagining that dad now sneaking around in the room, cutting her hair and stuff while she's asleep. Yeah. While he's doing it, is he watching Tom Snyder?

I always think too that he, I conflate this with Candyman because I always assume he is a hook hand and I'm like, how did he cut her hair with that hook hand? But it's not, it's just a nice. Yeah, I want him to have a hook hand. He loses his hand in this. So it is like a weird confluence of Candyman in this. Like in the sequel, maybe he does now replace his hand with the hook. When...

So Galecki's in the trunk. This is this famous story. I read up on this too. It's in Brantley's great research. This is wild. It's wild. So some of you probably already know this, but Jennifer Love Hewitt has said, I guess on more than one occasion.

that the reason there's this shot in the movie, the famous kind of thing, I think it's in the trailer too, of the camera spinning around her and going, what are you waiting for, huh? So iconic that the scary movie movies, they end with a spoof of that. Yeah. So in her telling of it, a kid won a contest and got to come on set and pick any shot that they wanted to do that they would work into the film. And this was this kid's choice. And the line. Yeah. And the line.

Hey, that's crazy to think that any movie would get over it. That's a big old cuckoo. No, the most you'll get is you get to name a minor character or be a background actor. But the producers... I think the cinematographer have all said...

No, nobody remembers this being the case. And they had a crane for this shot, so they can't just go improvise getting a crane. They can't. Right, right. They had a crane, so they knew she'd be standing in the middle of the road and have to give this big dramatic line. Brantley said it's in the script per se that. What do you think that was? A lie is already like fun cuckoo. Somebody lies, but when somebody lies for like...

Why? What? What's this lie for? I know that story of the guy from the league that lied that he was in the Twin Towers during 9-11. and it just starts you lie once and then you have to keep building on it and do you think she's sticking her guns on this or was she in the towers I'm conflating things again she um yeah in the morning of she stood um and said what are you waiting for that's what did it yeah oh my god and she's got to let that down uh no like yeah uh that

what do you think her psychological aim is for maybe there was a kid that won a contest to come on and just be on set. And they were talking during that moment. And. So you're giving like a mystery memory, not like a whole cloth fabrication. I would be surprised to hear that. I don't know her from Adam, so maybe. But it seems weird to me that she'd still be working in Hollywood if she's that psychopath.

Psychological or a pathological liar. I don't know if she's like what her tone is when she lies. Like when she shares this detail, cause I could kind of imagine maybe it's like, if that thing, that moment was seen as like too. overwrought or ridiculous it's like well the reason that existed was because it came from a good place of like it was a kid who won a contest and he suggested it like I guess that's maybe the

I guess so. That'd be awesome if she had to produce that kid. I was just going to say, if you're out there, kid. Yeah. Help her out. Come corroborate this. Some old man comes out. I told her to. I was a make a wish child. Long story. I survived. But my dying wish was to just have Jennifer. I love Hewitt spinning a circle with the 360 shot into a crane shot. And I just love one of my favorite catchphrases is what are you waiting for? Huh? It was a big mistake.

That he was there that day because he was suffering. The reason he was, you know, had this opportunity was because he was suffering from crab syndrome. So they opened up the truck. I have to deal with this shit all the time. I'm allergic to shellfish. That's why I'm on death. wish, make a death wish for a child. I wasn't sick. I was on, I entered a program called make a death wish and where you get to, you get to visit Charles Bronson on set.

And somehow it got mixed up and I ended up on the set of, I know what you did last summer. Yeah. What punk do you want me to kill? You got any Jack master five thousands? Yeah. I know what that's for. That's ridiculous. for you anybody uh 10 to midnight is uh where that doos you and we've covered it yep you can check out that episode over use this for check it off uh The Prince Jr. at the end of that scene too also runs up with perfect bed head. I love it. Yeah.

Didn't know that this was a 4th of July movie. I think, speaking of the old actor who showed up, you know, who claims that he was the one who told Hewitt to say that. The joke we just made about the old guy. It reminds me in the parade sequence. I think it's a little ageist of Ryan Phillippe when he tackles him. When he just sees the old guy, he automatically assumes that's not the guy.

Especially since they're setting up a woman as a red herring, too, with his sister. This guy's like, hey, whoo, hey, hey. And Ryan Phillippe's like, nah, couldn't be. Also. This movie's pretty good at not making anybody too much of an idiot. But at the end, when the guy who's the size of the fisherman tells her... Like, get back on the boat. I'll take care of this Prince Junior over here. Oh, yeah, yeah. And she's like, okay, sir. Sure. Sure, sir. I've never seen you in my life. Yeah.

I'm that little kid that was on the set and I played the red herring fisherman. I remember reading it in Entertainment Weekly that they wanted to make like a Gorman's fisherman.

joke gordon's gordon's is that what you're talking about oh oh yeah sorry and the director didn't was worried that that would take away from the impact of the it wouldn't make it wouldn't make him scary if an actor made that joke In terms of like, I guess, but like it's the reverse of Joe Dante said the reason he puts jokes in his movies is because.

He knows people want to laugh at a horror movie being ridiculous, so he gives it an opportunity. But this guy's like, hey, give me a Gordon's Fisherman joke. Also, whatever this kind of tone is, is like... I don't think whatever these Kevin Williamson, like satirical kind of high school, like top of their intelligence, the way they talk and stuff.

I feel like if it wasn't for Heathers, none of these movies would kind of have this like, whatever this tone is. Yeah. Like when she's singing fame at the beauty pageant, whatever that. thing is that doesn't feel like it could exist in another slasher movie but like we're laughing at the ridiculousness of high school and stuff yeah um the

Yeah, I wanted more gore with the Philippi kill. The Killipi. Especially him. You get more for Galecki than for him. Yeah. I knew that cop was going to die as soon as he made fun of Sarah Michelle Gellar's hair. Yeah. You dead. You know what I saw in this strange department store that apparently was there all the way up until 2023? Whoa.

There's in front of the checkout counter, there's two chairs and in between them is a standing ashtray, which I can't believe even as late as 97 is there. Yeah. But I remember them so well, but I guess this is North Carolina. Asheville. Yes, of all things. Just remember going to like department stores when I was a kid and those were everywhere. Those little, yes. In hallways. The hallway ones were like big metal tubes that also usually were like mini trash cans.

But those, I think my grandma and grandpa had one, they were smokers and they were like brass and, you know, you hit a little thing and it would open the ashtray and all the ashes would fall down into a bigger chamber. This made me go on Etsy and start pricing some of those. Like maybe I'd put one over there with a little glass.

That's good. Tabletop on top of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. God, I just, those things take me back and I would always play with the like. I would always play it and it was almost like. When you're a kid, you're like, thank God this kind of thing that's like a toy is here. Yeah, especially if you had a Star Wars figure and it was like this pit that would open up. Yes, yes. It could be your old...

Rancor, not Rancor. The trash compactor or no? The mouth in the desert. What's that called? Oh, the Sarlacc pit. Yeah, your old Sarlacc pit. But those are just gone. Those haven't been for decades, but they're so... I've forgotten how steeped in my... brain those things are and the smell it's not just secondhand smoke it's the metallic brassy smell mixed up with ash yes yes yes I would also see it sometimes I'd like kind of like

fabric like patty like an ashtray might have like a bean baggy kind of bag with a glass thing in it yes yeah yeah um when you mentioned uh we were talking about Star Wars there. That reminded me, my daughter who's seven now and like will watch a movie and now. remember having watched it beginning middle and end kind of thing uh we watched star wars for the first time the and uh um uh she enjoyed it it was funny when um

Darth Vader comes into that scene where he chokes the guy. The guy's like, you're superstitious. You're superstitious ways. Yeah, Vader. Oh, yeah. You're sorcerous ways. Yeah, you're sorcerous ways. Yes, yes. That scene begins with they walk in and everybody's seated down. And my daughter said, if this was a silly movie, Darth Vader would get upset that nobody has a chair for him. I don't know.

I love the Spaceballs approach. It really delighted me. This was a silly movie. That's like how people write spoofs. If this was a silly movie, what would we do? Are they doing another Spaceballs? They are, yes. Spaceballs 2. Wow. Ed Moranis is returning. He is. Yeah. And then now we watched Spaceballs a couple days ago. How did it hold up? Every movie that I've presented on a quote-unquote school night is, hey, I'll stay up for this because it's...

even if it's not to my liking, I'm not, it's not bedtime. So I'll stay up and watch this. Spaceballs was the first one, like halfway in. She was like,

was okay with stopping it. She watched The Jerk and What About Bob and Austin Powers and we'll be able to watch comedies like that and find... enough entertainment to watch it but this she said yeah it's too crazy is how she called it too crazy I remember even as a kid when I saw that in theaters going this doesn't stack up to the other Mel Brooks movies to me

You know, I think I showed it to her because I saw it in the theater when I was younger than her, when I was like six. And I remember actually my, after the movie was done, my mom coming out in the lobby. to check the poster because I think there was some difference where the TV commercials were saying it was PG, but the posters were PG 13. There was some discrepancy and she was like, that movie was a little too, uh, um,

I mean, it's just like, but my eyes got covered up during the alien sequence and stuff. Oh, wow. But I loved it. I was laughing my ass off. I thought Spaceballs was really funny. Well, I think... I was six years old. Yeah, there you go. You could have the approach of being like, this isn't quite Blazing Tattles or Young Frankenstein. I'm like, all their last names are asshole. Okay, that is funny.

Um, I like the department store, uh, like setting though. That that's cool. That's cool. And like the score just, this ain't no like slash it. This sounds like a thriller. Yeah. I think it is. I think this movie is a thriller. Yeah. More thriller than horror. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. I like her death then with the fireworks on 4th of July. Some real kind of blowout style. Yeah. No kidding. I wonder if that was a direct homage kind of.

Yeah, I felt like there was some 70s, like had some Jaws stuff in this too. Yeah. I like the little... ice room already when she goes in the ice room on the boat. Yeah. They keep the fresh fish fresh fish fresh. But then the fact that it turned out to be the corpse den. Yeah. That's cool. I love that. Whose face was poking out?

Was that her sister? I couldn't tell. I thought that was Galecki, but maybe it was Galecki. Also, I know there's a lot of people out there who are like, I've never seen a Philippi beat up a Galecki. Well, you can watch this movie. There's a Philippi versus Galecki. What? Say that again. People go, oh, it's a real shame that in movies, a Philippi never fights a Galecki. But no, no, no.

That reminds me, we were doing one of the extravaganza episodes of the Bananas for Bonanza podcast, which is just like a wildcard improv episode. We were doing this radio call-in show. And this long story, but I was this...

character name. I am, I am Dean B I'm Dean, but I just curate weird IMDB trivia. So I was like, furiously trying to find some because you know I've mentioned that one about Edward Fox claims to have never worn denim did it come from that or no I just found that one so I was trying to look for more and there's one that is January Jones is the only actress to have worked with two pork-based, pork name-based actors in the same year with Jon Hamm in Mad Men and Kevin Bacon in X-Men First Class.

That is so good. That's great. Yeah. Do you think John Hamm and Kevin Bacon are friends? They have to be. I mean, they're the same species. Is there a person with a... They hang out, they go to clubs with Porky Pig. The... I only have a couple other notes, Matt. I like that this movie is big and studio-y and stuff, but I don't want my slasher movie ending with the handsome boyfriend.

coming in on a rope in a boat, like a swashbuckler to save the day. I love the hand severing thing where he pulls him up and his hand severs. That's great. I didn't like that because that's how I lost my hand. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh my God. I thought you lost it. I thought you lost it on purpose. I didn't know that was an accident. No, it was entirely by accident. Why he only got one glove.

Now there's a reveal. Who are we doing impressions that was just like, oh, yeah, Elvis. Elvis is just... And Michael Jackson's like... So do you think Lisa Marie Presley was ever like, I really wish my he-he husband met my ha-ha dad? Or I had a husband that just talked normally. My he-he husband met my ha-ha dad. Why didn't my hee-hee husband eat me, my ho-ho dad? And then my last note, a bizarre little dialogue exchange at the end when he says like,

I love you. It's like, I've just been through a lot. And she goes, I understand your pain. What? That was weird. I understand your pain. Yeah. That's an odd line. But then, yeah, the shower sequence. I love the little. Yeah, it's a good. That's cool. It's a good anti twist into it. twist. Not a twist, but like a reveal. So first, it's a joke about the note.

And you're like, ah. Yeah. They're going for the reverse Friday the 13th ending. You think it's going to end with the, but it's just a funny little invitation. But then they do the Friday the 13th. Yes. They could have taken a swing though of like. It is a year later. So they should have given her a mohawk or something. Just change her look. She's dressed like the goth girl she described in the beginning. Yes. They shot a different...

which is just, she's at her computer and she just gets an email that says, I know what you did last summer. I still know. But they knew those laptop. in a dining room uh scenes were deadly like we can't we gotta i did and so they reshot this and then the galecki kill Yeah, and that's good. But apparently they used the original ending for a teaser for the second movie. Oh. Yeah.

Well, speaking of the second movie, I'm looking forward to seeing it. Me too, friend. What are you going to give? Can't wait to see Jack Buck. I know. On a scale of one to 13. Yeah. Give this a 10. 10. It was a romp. I'm real tough. I'm real stuck between a 0.5 variation and not. 0.5 variation. I'll do, I'll do 8.5. Nice. There it is.

The Fellini. Yes. Eight and a half. Eight and a half was actually titled after Matt's score for I Know What You Did Last Summer. With great foresight. This also got me. Yeah. I like these 90s movies too. I do too. I could handle some. Urban legend. I know we can't, I know it's blasphemous to do Jeepers Creepers because of this guy. You can't support the film, but I do remember that second one being real good. Yeah. I liked both Jeepers Creepers. I don't think I've seen the first one.

Yeah, Justin Long's in it. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. But the movie Short, which is, I think, interesting that his last name would be the opposite. Oh, that is weird. I personally, and this might be kind of controversial. I think Justin Long should only be in long movies. I agree. And Martin Short should only be in short movies. And Stephen Medium, or the Long Island Medium.

Yes, Rosanna Arcada's medium. No, is it Patricia? Who's the medium? Who's medium? Remember that? Oh, yeah. We should be medium. Yes. Yeah. I went to a hot dog place that's pretty well-known in my town. But you don't want to say... The name out of respect. Oh, Bob's Deiter. Oh my God. Scandalous. They have a good, like loose meat sandwiches and hot dogs and stuff. I once ordered a drink and they asked me what size and I wanted to say medium, but I said middle.

That's what I do. What Amanda does is every time she says. what the temperature is going to be. And she means to say low 80s or high 80s. She'll say early 80s or late 80s. That's awesome. I want to start. That's good. But I can't get the Starbucks sizes right. So I always just say. What's a large, because I hate playing, like you, Starbucks, you don't have the right to rename something that has been understood through all of culture and time as long as modern.

food preparation has been happening. And it's weird that it's like they did it and it worked and like nobody else does that. It's not like when you go to Burger King, they're like a king size, queen size. Prince-sized. But tall is the small? What is going on here? Leto, leto. Easy. Tall is small. It rolls upside down. You drive on a parkway and park on a driveway? Monica Lewinsky. Why didn't they make a Starbucks out of the whole Starbucks out of the black box? Denim. Where's my...

Where's my denim turtleneck? What size Starbucks do you want? Denim? Uh, did I? My friend Tim. was eating a snack that, like, involved, like, a loaf of bread. And Jay Leno walked by him and was like, eat a loaf of bread, huh? And he went, life's a bitch, huh? Is this real? Yeah. Isn't that a funny story? Life's a bitch, huh? I don't know. There's so many elements. I know there's a lot of details. Eating a loaf of bread. No, eating a loaf of bread. Life's a bitch, huh?

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