ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK

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Welcome to episode two of Dystopia Now. From With Gourley and Rust, I'm the titular Gourley. And I'm the assular Rust. here come over here come on don't be afraid to get cozy line yourself up there we go oh look at those mugs

I'm just talking about if you were a patron subscriber to, if you go to patreon.com slash with Gourley and Russ, you could be watching along instead of listening along. You could also listen. You'll hear too. There is sound on these things and it's going to get better soon too, by the way.

I sounded just like Trump right there. It's going to get better too, by the way. We're going to have so much sound. It's going to be perfect. What am I doing late night bits for? Listen, the point is, if you subscribe at the Baby Xenomorph level, you can have your name read out. You can watch live streams.

You subscribe at other levels. You can get film commentaries, cozy awards. You can get mailbag episodes. Paul, I've talked enough. How are you? I'm good. I'm good. Also, I remembered recently... I've done some solo commentaries and tis the season for Eyes Wide Shut. Oh, that's right. I did a commentary for Eyes Wide Shut last December. So if you guys are on the Patreon, you can.

listen to it. The new Criterion 4K, UHD, Eyes Wide Shut has come out. And have you received it? Because I know that there was a little delay in you getting it. Yes. I felt your... frustration. Yeah. Your agita. That's a better way to put it. Yeah. I was as frustrated, uh, um, on a DVD level.

That Tom Cruise was frustrated on a sexual level in that movie. I was trying to go to different places, find a DVD, getting spurned and going to another place. You went to a nightclub and talked to a guy playing piano. I was like, hey. How can I get this 4K of Eyes Wide Shut? And he's like, what the fuck is happening? I asked him what the password was for getting a really good HD disc, and he said it was fidelity. For the hard dick disc. And that's just a sample.

Of what you'll receive while listening to this podcast. That's right. That's right. And yeah, we're in movie two of our Dystopia Now series. Our listeners, they went on the Patreon and they voted for the different movies we wanted to cover. And this, hey. This is the number one block of movies they wanted us to discuss. That's right. I'm just wondering because... And what a block. We should also do a little assessment after we're done with these six films as to which is...

Rank them in dystopian-ness, you know what I mean? Because this one's pretty high, I would say. Yeah, compared to... RoboCop. RoboCop. Yes, we could do kind of a ranking of which dystopia would you... least to most or most to least want to live in that's a good idea yeah yeah um because yeah i hey i wouldn't want to live in um new york

Manhattan Island that's been turned into a prison. That's just me. I wouldn't either. We don't quite know what the rest of the world is like in this film. That's true. We know that there's wars in Siberia, but we don't know.

Yeah, Minneapolis could be a hellhole. I know. And our wonderful researcher, Brantley Palmer, mentioned how Donald Pleasence, who, by the way, should just be named President Loomis in this movie. He's just... Loomis. Yeah. When I was taking notes, I kept writing President Pleasance. There has to be a way to be like Pleasidence. Oh, yeah. Well, I think you just did it. Presidents. Don.

Mr. Pleasantance. Mr. Pleasantance. He, in his, like, apparently he did this huge character study and backstory for his character and pitched it. to John Carpenter about, and it's quite brilliant how Margaret Thatcher had taken over the world and reclaimed America. They didn't use it, but I love that. I love that. That's an actor. Going the Stella Adler route? Yeah. Going into his mind, creatively imagining these things up. I have to imagine, do you think this was the...

the biggest backstory Donald Pleasance has developed for a John Carpenter movie? It makes me wonder, are there just some we haven't heard? I want to know specifically his backstory for part six of Halloween, the producer's cut. And I'm assuming they... He had two that he presented and that's why they did two cuts. Yes. Yeah. I wonder if they're all Margaret Thatcher related. And some are very sensual. Yes. And Halloween six, he's like, I, uh,

The reason he's like off by himself in a house is because he just had like a crazy sexcation with Margaret Thatcher. He had an Eyes Wide Shut where Thatcher let him in on some of these like... 10 Downing Street Fidelio parties. Did you know I went once to a UK Eyes Wide Shut party and the Buckingham Palace guards can't get a boner.

You can go up to him like Dan Sexy. And if they get him out of here, Buckingham Palace Guard. They can laugh all they want. Oh, yeah. They can chortle. And that's why when you go try to make a normal Buckingham Palace Guard laugh, he's usually fully erect. Yeah, that's okay. That's fine. Daytime boners are okay. Daytime boners. Nighttime laughs are okay. But daytime laughs and nighttime boners, get out of here. Daytime laughs and nighttime boners.

I couldn't feel more by myself. Now you said you wouldn't. You know, he said, oh, would you want to live in this dystopia? Which dystopia would you more or less want to live in? Now, I wouldn't want to live in the Manhattan jail prison yard or whatever you would call it. But in terms of like playtime and pretend time. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Matt, watching this movie next to Rogue One. It might be the closest to a movie that recreates playtime when you're a kid. Like the rules.

And the objectives and missions of when you're like- Vignettes. Yes. That's what I wrote that this is like an, it's not quite an action movie. It's like an action meditation or tone poem. It's like if you- If you put a G.I. Joe from the mid to late 80s, Snake Plissken, the way he's dressed, like a three-inch G.I. Joe, but when they started to get a little less military and a little more like Studio 54, you put one of them. those GI Joes in a dystopian action-based Wizard of Oz.

Yeah. And slowed it all down. That's what you have with Escape to New York. And it's like a wonderful little meditation. Yeah, they are. You're right. It's not like. an adrenaline uh it's not raiders no to reference another movie that came out that year yeah a couple months before it's it is more uh meditative and uh i mean I think I could be wrong, but I feel like out of all the other John Carpenter movies. Joints. Joints.

The atmosphere for this is the closest for me to the atmosphere to Halloween that I love so much. Like when he's walking around in those like sort of bombed out. St. Louis buildings and it's just like empty streets. Pulsing slow music. Long shadows. You know Donald Pleasence is out there somewhere. And then those little night dwellers that are sneaking around and stuff. I mean, hey, I like characters and I like stories, Matt. But I think I...

what gets me most excited about a movie is just an atmosphere, the vibe. And I love. Yeah. To borrow parlance of our time. This movie is a vibe. Yeah. Can I say that? Yeah.

This movie has a vibe. I wish I could have said that a little cleaner. Sick Yoda. Are you okay? Vibe this movie is. Return of the Jedi Yoda who's about to die. Scoundrels dirty and rotten, I directed. Yes. Test proctor and like us comma spies, I was. But the other thing that like really blew me away about this movie, because this is the first time I saw it for me getting the end. I didn't know that. It's the first time I've seen it since I was like a teenager.

And I think a younger teenager. I didn't remember a lot of this movie. Oh, cool. So what was your memories about it when you saw it as a... As a teen. Do you mind if I abbreviate teenager to teen? I prefer you, didn't it? I know we've known each other a long time, but it feels a little informal and disrespectful, frankly. What about me? What about me? What's wrong with me that you think that I'm okay with that? My God, I guess it's something I'm doing. I don't know.

I think this, I'm all for this podcast taking a sharp turn into being emo. Yeah. Yeah. We talk about like our feelings, not just a. in our own lives in life, but interpersonally with each other. I thought we'd hash things out. Just doing Emo Phillips bits. Either way, either way. Oh my God. How has nobody, I mean, I'm sure somebody has done a joke of like Emo Phillips where it's like. Just singing Emo Phillips jokes over like a hardcore. But the thing that.

knocked me out about this movie. Oh, but what was your experience watching it as a teen agent? I'm trying to remember when I saw this. I don't know, but I feel like I think I was expecting... Here's the thing.

I think I remember the people that really liked this movie also really like professional wrestling. Well, come to find out there's practically a professional wrestling match in this movie, which I had not remembered. I mean, practically a street fighter. Yeah. That guy looks like goddamn Zane Keefe. I know. He does. I just think that I would have not appreciated it back then for that reason, maybe. I didn't trust, because they had brought some other movies. They were real proponents of...

American Ninja, but as legitimate cinema. Yes. Where I was more a platoon guy. And Red Dawn. I need a little grounded grit. Sure. Of course. So I'm glad I didn't revisit this right away. And I let all that wash away from me. Yeah. And I could come to it in the context of with Gorley and Rust, watch this and really. appreciate it because i had had a long day and i just sat on this couch turned the lights down late afternoon it takes its time and yet it's only 95 minutes

Yes. How does it do both of those things? I know. How does it dance and chew gum slowly? This is a movie that should, instead of sports, should be on...

on TVs and bars with the sound down. Yes. Just a vibe. You know what I mean? Oh, I love a bar that shows movies. Me too. I went into, Buddy and I, we went to The Thirsty Crow.

On Sunset Boulevard. Oh, yeah, yeah. And they were playing weapons on the screen, but I hadn't seen weapons yet. Wait, weapons is out? I guess it is out stream. Yeah, I think maybe they were just showing up. That's bold to put a new movie that has a lot of... potential spoilers yeah and have you still not seen it I now I've seen it but I didn't see it at the time so I sat with my back to the screen because I didn't want to be tempted to look but that meant people in the bar

were looking, not at me, but just like past my shoulders. And I was seeing their reactions. You were like watching a live YouTube reaction video. Yes, yes. And it whetted my appetite to see these like... bartenders looking over and gasping and like high-fiving and stuff. I was like, ooh, I got it. Did you like the movie? Oh, I loved it. Yeah, it was good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't watch it.

you can watch it at other places. Like I didn't have to go to the thirsty crow to see it. Just so you know. Okay. Yeah. You went to eat rustic in. Yeah. I heard this joke once on the Norm MacDonald podcast show where he was like, did you know Lindsay Lohan is a really good swimmer? Yeah, because she knows every dive in town. Like the oldest diving joke. So if you wanted to watch a movie in different dive bars, I guess you asked Lindsay Lohan. Actually, I went to Freak Year Friday.

Oh, was that good? Yeah, it was a fun movie. I watched Freaky Friday recently with Glenn. Oh. The original. She was semi into it. Uh-huh. Who you're going to see the star. That's right. That's why we're starting at 9 a.m. today. Yeah. And we'll... We have a certain hard out, but we're not rushed. But yeah, Clarice Starling herself is going to be on the Conan podcast today.

pre-showered and ready to go. I got to zoom out the door right after this. Normally I'm kind of in my PJs in a ball cap doing this movie, this show. Us saying Freaky Friday and then you saying Clarice makes me wish that they're... be a silence of the lambs where clarice and hannibal lecter like freaky friday there has to be a sketch of that online oh that'd be so good how do you you come up with these these ideas

Like the Buckingham Palace guards, not just the boner one, but the ones where a guy has to do stand-up comedy to a theater full of Buckingham Palace guards. And this... How you have the idea to come up with something so funny, but also seems like it should have been done years ago. I don't know. I guess it's why you're a successful comedy. That's probably if you would like. look at any TV listings in like 1988. It's probably...

where all the jokes come from. You'd tune in and you'd be like, oh, the Buckingham Palace guards at the comedy show. That was an episode of Belvedere. Oh, maybe, but... What if you're stealing everything from Belvedere? I'm going to go on a massive Belvedere rewatch and every joke like usual suspect styles and just come flying off the screen. Deltante green boons.

If you're team Freddy, y'all are all loud. And that's not even like, they didn't even change it to Belvedere and Wesley. No, they said Freddy and Jason. Somehow we're very prescient.

Yeah. So the thing that knocked me out about this movie, the atmosphere slash vibe. Yeah. Atmos vibe. The atmos vibe. And... I mean, it's probably the thing anybody would say when this movie came out and years later, but the scope and scale and the epicness of this movie. on such a tiny budget. I'm really trying to think of a movie that gets more bang for its buck.

than Escape from New York. It's really amazing. This is one of those movies where there's movies where you can see the seams and it hurts the movies and movies where you can see the seams and it helps the movies. I think, I'm pretty sure. There are air ducts on the set of the top of the twin towers of the World Trade Center. Like AC ducts. Yeah, still. They're floating up there. They're floating up there.

They were built to last. Yeah. You'll never take our air ducts. You'll never take our ducts. Hear that? That were painted red and reused in the damn police base scene. Really? I think so. The Sepulveda Dam. Oh, no, that probably not because did they shoot those? I know the dam was shot in LA. Yeah. Yeah. But I think the top of the building was LA as well. Yeah, that would make sense. Yeah, because... It adds to the kind of playtime, pretend time, fun with friends. The premise...

Sounds like the rules that get made up as you're like playing with friends. That's such a good point. Where you'd be like, okay, you got to do this in 24 hours. Well, how would I know? Well, you have like a little like. digital readout on your test. Okay, but then what happens after the 24 hours? Well, I'm going to inject this little quartz bomb. It's the size of a pinhead, and it's going to go in your neck, okay? There's been no more... third graders brainstorming playtime element then

We inject it in something in you that will kill you if you don't do this. It's amazing. It's the best. It is so good. Half of this was written by Michael Myers himself, Nick Castle. Yes. In like 74. Because this was, Carpenter went there. Thank you, Brantley, for your notes again. To New York. It was really seedy, especially at the time. Had this idea, wrote it. And then after the success of The Fog and Halloween, Avco.

Yep. Said, what do you got? And he said, I got this. And then he had Castle come on and kind of punch up some of the humor. Yeah. And just Brantley listed all of the movies that Avco. released in 1981. Listen to this lineup. That year, they released Scanners, Fear No Evil, The Howling, Dead and Buried. Final Exam, Escape from New York, and Eye for an Eye, Time Bandits, and Road Games. Holy cow. And I know that with the howling.

Joe Dante left working for Roger Corman's company and came over to Avco because Avco was just had their pockets. were a little deeper. They were doing genre stuff that was a little bit more high-budgeted. And that seems to be the case with Escape from New York, too. Well, they were able to bring Cameron over from Corman.

James Cameron to do the visual effects in this too. Yeah. James Cameron was the guy who, I mean, it's probably the coolest effect in the movie. By far. Yeah. So he built a little model of a city. And then, I mean, this seems like it'd be in like a stoner's bedroom. Like he took glow tape essentially, right? And then lined the corners of each thing. And the grids, yeah. The grids so that it could be filmed.

practically, but look like a digital grid readout. And it's amazing. They also shoot it with some kind of anamorphic or fisheye lens or something. And the way that they're rotating, that... jumps out to me as well above the quality of the rest of the movies. I didn't know James Cameron did that until we got the notes this morning. And it makes so much sense because it is leaps and bounds.

It's still aesthetically in line with the movie, but it's leaps and bounds more precise than Carpenter ever is. And you love both guys for both reasons. Sure, of course. But Carpenter's always rough around the edges. Yeah, there's a lineage that's sort of between like... Walter Hill, Warriors. Yeah. John Carpenter, Escape from New York. And then James...

Cameron Terminator. Tron even. And Tron, yes. A little Tron stuff going on here, yeah. But it's cool, you know, that James Cameron... whose movies probably every one of his movies have some sort of like knockout special effect that really like takes it.

above other movies that are of its ilk, that he would do the same thing in somebody else's movie before he even directed a movie. It's really impressive. So what was your, you said you'd never seen the whole movie. What was your first experience with it and when?

I think it would be like on, you know, TBS late at night. So like how young were you? Probably like 10 or 11 or 12. Like you said, this movie is made for adolescent. Kids. Yeah. Adventure kids. Yeah. Who like wearing camo pants and stuff, you know? Snow camo pants. He looks so much like a G.I. Joe from, say, 87. Like a dreadnought. I know. If you look closely. At his like kneecap, you would see the like little screw that connects the two parts of the leg. He has a hole in his back. Yeah.

position him better on chairs instead of seat him in fighter jets and stuff. My torso is connected to my pelvis by a black rubber band. I always was so mystified by that little midsection of a G.I. Joe. And it was so precarious. If you weren't careful, you could break it off. I broke many. You could go in through the hole in the back with a little Phillips screwdriver.

split their torso in half and then put a new rubber band in. Like I'd take a regular rubber band and wrap it three times. Could you Frankenstein two different? All the time. Could you? You're looking at him. Would I, would I, hair lip, hair lip. Of course I did. Frankenstein, Frankenstein. Do you remember any of your Frankenstein's creations? Well, I would usually do them to make.

extra GI Joe, like extra textual GI Joe things. Like when I was in that improv group, Comedy Sports, there used to be this thing in the opening where you'd go out and vend a thing like peanuts, but then there were joke things. So then I made... comedy sports GI Joe guys by Frankensteining them and painting them and stuff. Like based on performers at comedy sports? Based on the uniforms we would have to wear, like the sweat pant uniform. That's good. Quality comedy.

Do you want to know how unaligned I was with sports as a kid that my major contribution to my like little league team would be at the end of the season? I would hand out. my caricatures of each player that's incredible but it would be like it's a little like fabelman's did you see fabelman's where like

The nerd is like flattering. The like Sporto guy. Offering, like giving an offering. Yes. But it's not because I was being teased by them or anything. It's just like, I want to show you. I like the summer that we spent together. So. be like this is amazing the character would be like the twist would be their skill so it'd be like like like this guy is good if he gets hit with a ball he shakes it off so i'm gonna draw him with like an iron torso

this guy's fast. So I'm going to show him with like super feet. These things are probably fucking collectible. Probably how many, what? 12 guys out there right now with each of these framed above their bedboards and they're an elite society. Their wives get disappointed when the guys want to take them off the wall. Honey, when did you do that? Oh, I just thought I had outgrown it. No. This is what gets me quite randy in the bedroom. This is what I look at. You I'm repulsed by.

But the idea of you as an iron chested little league player, you know, something else I used to do. I, I took, there was a GI Joe named doc and he had a beige. fatigues on sure and i had this skin wax that was like for prosthetic it was like professional somehow i got it like third hand from someone i never bought it i'd never been to a professional makeup store but it was great for making cuts and scars cool

I also had a Super 8 camera with a shutter stop release where you could do frame by frame, stop motion. Have you ever seen those? It's almost like a syringe button. with a little steel cable that has a threaded thing that when you press the syringe a little steel rod comes out the front of it and that's what triggers the thing in the camera. But if you unthread it, it would just shoot a little steel rod out.

Is that how you killed Kerwood Smith? Yes. I'm getting there. Basically. So I threaded a notch in Doc's back and drilled through the front of him. And I would thread that thing into Doc's back and hide it in dirt and then put like blood in the little... the drill hole and then seal it over with this wax, which is the exact same color as Doc's fatigues. That's why it was poor Doc that got it every time. And so when you...

Press that thing. Just a steel thing would come through and it would rip the flesh and it would be bloody. And it was that. That is awesome, Matt. You're doing your own little squibs. No, you're telling me. Junior squibmas. Would I? Would I? Squib, squib lip, squib lip. That's cool. Who would do Doc Dirty? Probably a snake Plissken looking dreadnought, you know? Yeah. Who was the G.I. Joe that looked most like...

Like, I feel like John Carpenter movies specifically. Yeah. There's fingerprints on them. People will take their, like, Big Trouble in Little China has a lot of stuff that, like, got pulled. But this has Zangief. Yeah. From the little gladiator battle at the end, right? Doesn't he seem like that's who the Street Fighter people based him on? Seems like it. And the G.I. Joe, I swear there was like a long-haired guy with like a eye patch.

camo well there's Zartan yes who had like a brown hood so it kind of looked like they didn't do a lot of long haired because they couldn't because of the molded plastic even Scarlett and Covergirl and Lady J All had short hair. So wait, they probably really didn't like that one sign. The what? The G.I. Joe makers probably were the people who made the sign. You know, the sign that says.

long-haired freaky people need not apply that's right until the dreadnoughts and they did these like rubber um attachments so they could have like braids and stuff like that. This was in a G.I. Joe? Yeah. They were called the dreadnoughts? Yeah, they're Zartan's guys. But for eye patches, that was major blood. He had an eye patch. So I think you're, and understandably, Paul, and forgivably so. Conflating a few G.I.J.'s. Who's your favorite? Flint. Flint and Lady J were a couple. And you're...

World or in the... No, in the real world. It was canon. I was watching through their bedroom window in my world, that's for sure. Flint was just very grounded. He had a beret and like... navy blue fatigue shirt camouflage pants just had a shotgun there was nothing fancy about flint he just got the job done you know what i mean and that's why lady j was into him and boy was she something short hair brunette forget it

Oh my God. She had a javelin or a little ball cap jumpsuit, man. She would kill it today. Yeah. She would kill it. I was never a Scarlet guy. I was a lady. Who is Scarlet? She's the original, you know. token, the Smurfette of the original GI Joe run where it was all guys and then Scarlet with the crossbow. And then she had like a, her name was Scarlet because she had a big A. She was a horrible adulteress and she slept around.

All through G.I. Joe and a little into Cobra. Tell it to Destro. What if she was like... They were like, oh, the A on your chest, adultery, huh? She's like, no, the A is not for adultery. It's for anal lingus, which I love to do. Oh, well, I don't know if that's really. And nobody put this on there. I did it myself. Okay. I'm getting ahead of it.

Because I know it's coming. Did you know that one of the chipmunks, I assume, must have been an adulterer with a big A on his? See, this is another one. Send it into Reader's Digest. How do you just... toss them off like they're nothing. I would get one of those and rest on it for a year. I would be writing that in my phone. It might have been a tweet 10 years ago. Alvin.

He's an adulterer. And he is wearing scarlet. I mean, the letter A is yellow, but his sweater is close enough. The Vermillion letter.

or whatever it is. Yeah. But, uh, uh, Yeah, having seen it for the first time, this movie, it knocked me out. It was really great. And I told you when I came in, my mom is visiting. My mom, I had the best viewing of Escape from New York. I think anybody should have. Watch it with your mommy. And what did she think of it? She had seen it before. Whoa. She had seen it in the theater. You're watching. You're.

I mean, it's safe to say we're movie nerds. We love genre film. You're watching Escape from New York. Your mom is more well-versed in it than you are. Yes. That's a dream. You know what? I wrote a couple... times down where something was mentioned and I did go, oh, this was, you know, I love movies. I'm a movie lover. And I was like, oh, that was partly fostered by my moms.

love for movies and stuff because when we were who's the actress that's Kurt Russell's wife? Season Hubbly? Season Hubbly. She popped up on screen. And my mom was like, oh, Susan Hubley. I was like, you know her? Your mom. She's like, oh, she was kind of a starlet at the time. So this was like a part for her in this movie. And when I told her, I was like, hey, I got to watch a movie for the podcast tomorrow.

It's called Escape from New York. She was like, what's it called? I said, Escape from New York. She's like, oh, with Kurt Russell. And so, yeah. And so she just was like, I'll watch it with you. Yeah, she wanted to watch it. She's like, I'll watch that. What a cool mom, huh? How are you just born into this family?

And also, you know, if you guys have ever listed these commentaries that Matt and I do, the end credits a lot of times are just goofing on people's names. When the opening credits were coming up... Charles Cyphers came up. Oh, yeah. And my mom went, oh, he's just a Cyphers. So I was like, oh, that's also where I love for movies and my love for little stupid puns. Well, let's start with that because.

Yes. My first note on this film is back when people would just sit and watch credits with white titles and black screens for minutes. That's it. Nothing. That's what Jeannie Rust said. She was like, hey, you don't really see this anymore, huh? Long credits. I know. And that font, and that Carpenter font. Yeah, the white on black.

Because now, if they made it, you might not even see those goddamn credits, would you? No, you wouldn't. Well, they'd probably be doing the James Cameron stuff with titles over it, you know? Yes. Something like that. Or there'd be a montage of the Siberian Wars, which apparently was shot, but they cut because they thought it took too long to get to the New York thing. I'd love to see that. I'd love to see it. I think it is cool how...

mysterious the snake character is. You don't know what caused his fall from being a war hero to a guy who... Oh, that's what it is. You see the bank heist. That's what they shot. Right. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it is sort of like, okay, at some point he became disenfranchised. Yeah. And you don't ever get the scene where he was like, yeah, because they made me go and kill a child and I didn't want to do that. So, you know, you can tell though that at some point, I mean, it is.

this is a very like post Vietnam, post Watergate movie. You can tell like the president is like a little, he's a twerp twerp. Yeah. And, uh, uh, When they asked Kurt Russell to go and find him, he's like, I don't care about your president or your war. I was like, that sounds like straight out of 1974. Yeah. Which one was written. Yeah. John Carpenter, he wrote it with Nick Castle, but also a one-year-old, Matt Gourley. That's like why a lot of the characters often say gaga goo goo. That's true.

I wrote the guy with the spiky hair that laughs. I wrote that whole character. Kind of like how Richard Pryor just wrote Mongo and Blazing Saddles. That's all I was interested in. His spiky hair was inspired by when you were a kid in a bathtub and your parents would... put shampoo in your hair and spike it up to make them laugh but yeah the long opening and maybe like one of the best voice over narration describing

the world of this movie, which was Brantley Palmer's nose told us, added afterwards because test audiences didn't quite understand. But because I love that little like info dump. I do too. And I think it does clear some things up. I wonder if I, because I didn't remember that they walled up, not Manhattan, but the surrounding boroughs or whatever you call it. Yes. I'm a, I'm a West coaster. I don't, I don't.

Yeah. I don't play around. The only Burroughs you care about is James Burroughs. Yes. On the Paramount lot direct Cheers episodes. And maybe a dash of Edgar Rice, but I'm not, I'm not interested in your five Burroughs. Although. I counted. You only got four. Well, Edgar Rice Burroughs is a very SoCal character. Is he? Well, just because of Tarzan and Tarzana. Okay, you're right. I don't think he ever lived there. It's just that the Tarzan movies were filmed in the area that's now Tarzana.

I have a question about that because I mentioned earlier before we started, I was in Palm Springs this weekend and we went to some like little... vintage stores and those kind of consignment stores where you go booth to booth and there's all sorts of tchotchkes and stuff. So many booths had Tarzan paperbacks in them. Is Tarzan like a...

a gay icon thing that I'm not aware of or something because they were, they were like next to a lot of play. By the way, we purchased a play girl. Really? The boys of Enron to give to my friend CC for her 50th birthday. That was her birthday card. It was the boys of Enron. You should actually give it to the person who had the Enron bag. My stepmom? Oh, maybe you should have given a playgirl to your stepmom. Never mind.

Are they... or I just wouldn't it be funny if it was a bunch of like flabby pasty I know that's what I was thinking no I think they were like like mid-level or underling low-level workers so they were kind of I mean I don't know Honestly, I did thumb through it to try to find it, but I couldn't really, it wasn't like a centerfold section or anything like that. I don't know what was going on there, but the cover was funny. It'd be funny if like, yeah, the fold out was like.

The guy's penis was like a long like power grid. Wasn't that what Enron was about? Like power grids? I'm not sure what they were. I'll ask my stepmom who has an Enron tote bag. I could see, but Johnny Weissmuller. played Tarzan, right? Yeah. And Ron Eli was another one. I could see maybe that having like a queer appreciation. I could too, but I'm wondering if in the pulp novels... There's more of a kind of language of that that I didn't know about. I'm very curious. Yeah, I've never...

I've never read a Tarzan book, but I hardly, I'm not at a bookstore a lot of times and just see a Tarzan paperback. Well, go to this place in Palm Springs because they're everywhere. I went to the Iliad, that bookstore. North Hollywood. I think it's the biggest used bookstore in LA County. Really? Yeah. It's amazing. And their section for movies is like. Like physical media movies. Like books about Hollywood and movies. I find some really good stuff there because...

The people in the surrounding area, they're all movie fans too, but eventually they sell their books. They die and their families sell them and stuff. But I found some really good Pauline Kael books and stuff there. I got to hit that up. Yeah, the Iliad. I've got this shelf of pulp spy novels that have that. title format that I love. Well, I went yesterday and I thought of you, buddy, because I saw some John Le Carr paperbacks and stuff. The Marcus device.

Petriov game. I can't even read. Oh my God. So many B. Yeah. That's the whole thing. Those books are just all by different authors that are like. Spy and Intrigue Books, The Odessa File. Matt, I've never looked closely at these books. They are all the blank blank. Yeah, this is that title format that I love. But some of these names are so crazy. The Wind Chime Legacy, The Mediterranean Caper.

the intercom conspiracy, the Shrewsdale exit, the leather albatross. That's what I call my butthole. The brass cupcake. That's what I call my butthole. Okay, we can do some more of these. The Osterman weekend is what I call your butthole. The Pimlico plot. Oh man, I just love that title. The Dicris file, the Andromeda strain. The turquoise lament.

Okay, that's my favorite. I've never read a single one of these. The Turquoise Lament. I know. Is that about like a, what are those funny things called? Cowboys where it's like a bolo tie. Yeah. The live scream is getting to take a look at this bookshelf. Matt just twisted the laptop around so people can see the Dominican affair, the Portuguese escape.

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Let's go back tabs. Tabs, tabs, tabs. Well, I will say Dean Cundey, the DP for this. The Cundey flares all over. The Cundey flares all over. And the Cundey widescreen. You know how those big Panavision lenses, they give you the biggest bang for your buck, the width of the screen and stuff. But they're... you've noticed probably sometimes there can be a little bit of a bend that kind of happens. And I'm so crazy about the Dean Cundey, his work.

The Cundy bend. I love the bend. Yeah, I love the bend. Like when they were rocking that, maybe my favorite shot in the movie is like when the four of them all leave, like Harry Dean Stanton, Kurt Russell, Adrian Barbeau, and... Ernest Borgnine. Yeah. Like the four of them are walking in a line together down these steps and stuff. And it looks so cool. And you're also like, this is our team. Oh, this is so exciting. They're going on a little.

Yeah. Felt like Wizard of Oz because Cabby's very much like... Cowardly Lion. Yeah. And then you got the brain, you know. Matt, yes! And just meeting people along the way and... I guess. And Adrian Barbeau is Dorothy. I don't know. I think Plissken's Dorothy. Okay. I think. And I think Adrian Barbeau is, I mean. Scarecrow? Yeah, maybe. No, no, because that's the brain. I think Cabby's more Scarecrow. Cabby's Lion. Yeah. She's the team man. Harold Brain is...

Scarecrow. Yeah, I know. It falls apart. There's just a vibe. No, without a doubt. I love it. I love it. And they're trying to get to the Duke, you know, the Duke. Yeah. That's good. That's good. Yeah. I would have liked in The Wizard of Oz a scene where they have to go down Broadway and it's just like a long line of people throwing shit. Like 70s Broadway, you mean?

Yeah, but remember in the movie where they're like, we have to go down Broadway. Take a turn, take a turn. We're going to go down Broadway. And then it's like the craziest street in the world. Yeah. It looks like the family truckster. We got to go to rib tips. Fuck that. You don't want to go that way. Also, this takes place in 1997. Yeah. And this movie came out in 81. So the 16-year...

difference, that would be like 2041 for us now. Yeah. Which is a pretty short gap in terms of like... But it still feels far enough out where things could change. Yeah. But short-sighted if you're a filmmaker. You've got to put 100 years on your films these days. That's right. True, true. And, you know, I...

The hair on the back of my neck goes up when people say something's prescient. They really predicted that because I don't like it. It annoys me because I kind of think like, well, that's the hello. You ever heard of the job of the artist? Right. Where they, you know, you take a look around, you got skills of observation, maybe that other people don't have.

Go, okay, if this is true, then what else could be true? And you come up with a little fun thing. So I'm reticent to ever say a movie. I'm reticent to say it's precedent. Prescient. Pleasant. Pleasantance. Yeah. It's not pleasant to say something is prescient, but there was some stuff in here that was like pretty prescient. I'll say it.

It was like jaw dropping. The first thing you see are these guys on a boat. And they're shooting at these guys on a boat. I was like, holy shit. I didn't even put that together. Isn't that weird though? It's like the first image of the movie. And then obviously all this like World Trade Center stuff. Yeah. Seeing graphics of a plane flying towards it. And then.

But then also, yeah, just whatever the sort of stuff that Robocop was grappling with, which was sort of like when prisons or police kind of become... And then there becomes an industry that you have to like, I was like pretty blown away by that. Yeah. Yeah. Now, if it was in 1997 that it's taking place, I guess that means. President Pleasance is Bill Clinton? Yeah, I think so. Do you think that's how Bill Clinton would have behaved if he had been kidnapped? Maybe wearing the wig.

I mean, we've seen the painting of him in a dress. Okay, so all the president stuff was the most shocking to me. When they did target practice on him, I gasped. Yeah. And when he showed up in the blonde wig, I gasped. Yeah. I'm not like a parole clutcher. I was just going to say. Oh, I declare. The office of the presidency should be respected. Loosen up, son. Here, have us some cigarettes.

Well, you know, just to talk about how I think my mom is cool with that terrorist. I love this right away. With a woman in the cockpit, the terrorist who took over Air Force One. Yeah. And she's like. We are here to take down the racist, patriarchal systems that have been in place. My mom, I looked over and she pumped her fist. Wow. She's like, ride on. Third chair for this podcast. Get her on and your sister too. I mean, my God. And then my Enron mom. What a mix.

Enron stepmom. Step-en-mom. Step-en-mon-mom. En-mom. En-mom. En-mom.

But yeah, I mean, it's time. And I guess the prison started in 1988. Right. The behind the scenes people that I really liked. Deborah Hill is very cool. Yeah. And she's full producer on this. Yeah. No co-producer, nothing. She just full producer. And it sounds like in the notes, she was really smart about. getting it uh being a union movie in a way that for a lot of people it got them in the union like dean cundy is like oh that's how really my career started um

I realize now why I brought up Dean Cundey earlier. There's a Hollywood prop auction. Oh, I saw this. That's happening. And Dean Cundey is for sale. sale you could rent him for a weekend and get all the flares you want oh my god um but he offered up a lot of stuff from his personal collection whoa and i was looking at it oh my god there is a satin

Like a blue satin Who Framed Roger Rabbit crew jacket. Oh, I know those jackets. Oh my God. How much is it estimated? It's expensive. But the stuff that wasn't expensive, like the little... miniature like what are those things called that are like for animators they build like a three dimensional little character armature yeah so that you can twist it around and kind of look at it from different angles oh I'm not sure

But they had a few of those. Those were really cool, like a little Roger Rabbit and a baby Herman. Oh, a maquette? The cat. That's it. That's it. All the maquette heads out there were like losing their minds. Don't worry. I got you maquette heads. You know, you know, I got, you know, that's a fellow maquette head. I was looking at this auction too. Cause the, if it's the same one.

they have a stormtrooper blaster screen used and blank firing from return of the jedi estimated at 100 to 200 000 yeah and now this is relevant because Last episode, the guy robbing the liquor store in RoboCop is using a Sterling British submachine gun, which is the gun they use to put the little pieces on to make the Stormtrooper blaster.

This movie does the opposite rather than, well, they add a scope to a Mac 10, I believe, which is ridiculous because that is the fastest firing, most unwieldy, can't aim that gun. To put a scope on it is... I don't think they're making a meta comment, but it's so ridiculous, it's hilarious. Wouldn't you want a scope on something that's unwieldy? No, that is not the type of gun. That's why there's no real...

precision sights on it. You just spray that like a mister. It fires so fast. You cannot... It's not a precision weapon. I mean, the only place I want to scope is in my... my bathroom cabinet. Yeah. But a rifle scope. Yeah. Not for a mouthwash. No, I want a rifle scope. So the police guys, police guys are.

They have M16s, but to make them look futuristic, they just remove those thick foregrips. So they just have these long, thin... barrel poles which if you fired and you held it your hands would burn because that's the reason those things are there yeah oh so you don't um yeah didn't al pacino like burn his hand on the say hello to my little friend

Oh, did he? He like went to pick it up and then he burnt his hand. And so they had to like improvise for a week or so until his hand healed. So that's like why the ambush in Tony Montana is like final thing. is so crazy because they're just like they were shooting like b-roll footage of spielberg came onto the set and was like shooting uh helped like second unit some of the like the

you know, the banditos or whatever. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, wow. How cool. But the other thing that was in that auction, I don't know if you saw it, Matt, that was not Cundi related. But I was like, I couldn't believe it. It was only like, it's probably gone up now. Yeah. But it was only like $200. You know, on Full Metal Jacket, the original ending that they had planned.

was that the sniper at the end, instead of just shooting her, they were going to behead her. And the movie was going to end with them holding the head of the sniper. in this like sort of like oh total they've become total barbarian that was only that and instead they just had him her get shot off screen and then they sing the mickey mouse club um That prosthetic head, most Stanley Kubrick props and stuff get thrown into an incinerator so nobody can get their hands on him. Because he...

The person who made the head, he let them like keep it. And so the son of the guy or the son who made the head had it and he died and his wife is now selling it. You can buy... The prosthetic sniper head from Full Metal Jacket for like $250. There's no way it's going to go for that. It's already gone up, I'm sure. I mean, you're just mentioning that. I know. You can hear the click, click, clicks of people going to... You're evaluating it, but...

Those auctions right at the end all go, people wait till the end. Why? Because it's a rookie move to kind of be upping the bid. I guess there's no reason to up it early. You're just contributing to inflation of the thing. Yeah. I didn't see the Stormtrooper gun. The thing that had the highest bid at that point. that I saw was the, um, the T2 cops, uh, outfit. I saw that too. Yeah. How much was that going for? That was like 8,000. Wear that around to work. Hi.

Hello, Ms. Foster. I'm Matt, the producer. Can you guess what movie I am today? If a guy was using that to pick up chicks. And if you went over like, hey, baby, what's up? And then she goes, get lost, creep. Then you just turn to liquid and like run away. Oh, boy. Okay, let's do some notes just so we're keeping on time. Love it. All right. When the secret service agent is trying to get into the door of the cockpit.

Which, by the way, is Gerald Ford's son. We just learned from Brantley. Brantley Palmer's notes that that guy who tried to get in was Gerald Ford's son. Doing the same job trying to get into that cockpit. The same... With the same efficiency as his dad. Yeah. It's just like he's just barely touching that. Boom. Boom.

Like he's not even trying to get into that. And his dad was like a linebacker, right? Gerald Ford was? I don't know. Maybe not. Wow. He's not known for his physical prowess. Is that like a, do you think that was a slightly like cheeky joke? Maybe. Have Gerald Ford's son in the Air Force One trying to... Inefficiently. Inefficiently. Ineffectively. Yeah. Yeah, maybe. I hope so. Has he started anything else? Start?

What progeny of presidents, what presidential progeny has become actors? I know JFK Jr. wanted to be an actor. And Jacqueline Onassis was like, you ain't doing that shit. Probably right. That's underneath us. Well, we've seen Bing Crosby's son in which movie? Friday the 13th. yeah yeah i know he's not a president but probably should be yeah president crosby baby Another country. That's what he wants to do if he had his druthers.

Have you ever seen that interview with Bing Crosby where Barbara Walters is like, what if one of your daughters was pregnant before she was married? And he goes... Then it'd be Honolulu on the steel guitar, which is like the coolest way to say I disowned my daughter. Then it'd be Aloha on the steel guitar, baby.

Yeah. As if that guy didn't cat around. You don't think he has little Crosby's running around? Yeah, you can. There's a couple running around here. I just saw little Crosby. Little Crosby. I love Snake's intro. It's quiet. You just see him. I had a hunch when I saw him with Levon Khleif and he's doing his little Eastwood. I was like, I wonder if he's doing that because of...

Levon Cleef in Eastwood. Lo and behold, I read the notes. That's the case. How do you feel about that? Because this movie, I think, was fairly well received, but he got some flack for his Eastwood thing. I'm not quite...

I don't know. This doesn't sustain the whole movie. I'm curious if he would have just played it a different way, how it would have been. He has very little dialogue. Yeah, because then he does John Wayne in Big Trouble in Little China, too. That's pretty funny that he's always... I know. If he was just being Kurt Russell. That wouldn't work either.

But it's such an impression of Clint Eastwood that it takes me out of it a little bit. For a minute, it works. You got Lee Van Cleef. Yeah. You know, like for me, it fits into this, whatever my theory here is about like playtime, pretend time. Yeah. it works. It does for that. Cause it is like a kid being like, and I'm going to be nice to it in this. It just adds to the fun of like, Hey, we're making a movie here. It does make me want to see an all kid production of this.

Like a Bugsy Malone. Yes, yes, absolutely. Escape from New World. Oh. Lee Van Cleef's pretty good we learned in the I didn't realize he was on his death store of cancer and everybody kind of knew it but what do you think about that earring it's pretty cool do you think that's costume or Cleef was just like, I'm one foot out the door, baby. I'm wearing this. Fully Cleefian. Yeah, full Cleef. But full Cleef. I heard rumors that he smelled really bad.

Yvonne Queef? That's just what I heard! Oh, who? Your mom? She told you that? Little fun fact? But I mean, all of these, uh...

Love all these character actors in this. I mean, Levon Cleef is such a command to the screen and Harry Dean Stanton. Yeah. Who was another person that I saw that I was like... Oh, why do we... I guess it was Harry Dean's dad. No, no, no, no. Well, you got George Buckflower. Who's Charles Cyphers in this? Why did I not place him?

He's the guy who's working in the headquarters. Because he's, what's his name from Halloween, right? Sheriff. Sheriff. Yeah. He's the guy who's... I didn't recognize him. He's like Cleef's... He's the guy who's sort of saying like, I'm not going to... He's like the government bureaucrat. Yeah, who's handling the tech. That's what's baffling about this movie and why it fits so well with your theory that it's just like a playground plotting because...

The president is down. And not only that, but he has to get to this summit. I'm not entirely clear what happens if he doesn't get to this summit. Nuclear war? I don't know. But they're just happy to let this... police manager take over for 24 hours and send in a criminal when I'm sure they have an elite force that they could send in the exact same way. And they're just like, well, we'll give you 24 hours before we do anything. Sure, it's only the president.

It's hilarious. That is true. That makes no sense. There are probably better people suited for the job of rescuing the president from a war zone or whatever. Why wouldn't they send all of them in or just... Yeah, it's... And they're not even like vetting. They're just like, okay, you can handle it. Whatever you're going to do. I don't even know who this guy is. Just do it. Well, I had this confusion and maybe it was explained in the movie and I missed it, but like.

Was it that... Because the order of it, it's like the president, the terrorists take over Air Force One. Yeah. And they've kidnapped the president. He escaped in his little... little orange egg that he crash lands in. That's very Blofeld. It is. Donald Pleasant's escaping in a kind of mid-century pod. Yes. Yes. That happens, and then you see Snake come to jail. Is it that...

The president's been taken. We need to rescue him. Oh, look who's coming through the door here, Snake. He'd be a good guy to rescue the president. It wasn't like the case of like the president's been kidnapped. Let's get. It was just this happened, like happy coincidence. Let's look at the door here. Hi, Glenn.

Now she's jumping up and down. You want to say a quick hi? Hi, Glenn. Hi. Do you think that they arrested Snake Plissken solely to get him to rescue the president or it's just coincidence? I've been shunned. What are you doing today? I'm going to take space to do the sock ice skating. Sock ice skating. Yes, I've done that before at Kids Space. It's the best. And I'm going to get a toy for Issa. You're going to get a toy for Issa?

That's great. What else do you like at kid space? They got some fun stuff there, huh? All right. Have a fun day, buddy. I love you. You want to tell a joke? Tell a joke. Daddy, it's not on the microphone. You don't want it on the microphone? Okay, tell us. Okay, come on. Bye, pal. Aw, this is so cute. Aw, I'll say. That is cool. That is cute. It is cute. Sorry, I said cool and it's actually cute. All right. Have fun, guys. Good to see you. So sweet. And a kiss. Bye, Glenn. Bye, Amanda.

Happy day. That's very sweet. Warned my heart there. Open. I'm close. Thank you.

My daughter and I, we watched Home Alone again a couple nights ago. We've seen it many times. But my wife and daughter and I, we have a fun running joke about Home Alone where, you know, when Kevin... Puts the stuff on his face and he screams. Very famous part of Home Alone. We joke that they cut it before he's done screaming. And the full scream is, I'm Kevin. Isn't that weird?

Or what if it's, I really like this. Oh, you sick twist. Oh, man. Shows how editing can really change a movie. Speaking of Donald Pleasance as the president. He's bald. Yeah. When have we ever had a president that bald? Eisenhower. Eisenhower was a... Pretty bald. A chrome dome. Yeah. But yeah, there wasn't a lot.

I think, I think, isn't there some theory that that's, you're tough, it's tough to get elected. Like McCain was facing that, you know? Yeah. He should have like a, they should have like a presidential campaign to pay. Well, like a barrister's wig. Yes. It goes all the way back to Washington. Let's just even the playing field and make it a barrister's wig. Everybody wears them. So we're not caught up. Hair doesn't matter for a leader. Yeah. So let's just.

Or that blonde wig from this movie. I mean, that'd be, I'd love that. That was, I did kind of gasp too. Just so, I don't know what. I gasped at those two points. The Target practice, the blonde wig were genuine. Like, whoa. Yeah.

surprising scandalous scandalous and i laughed at the end with the tape playing the music during the but you saw that coming or no no no how about that that's dumb i am well let me ask you this what i was a little confused as to and maybe someone if you don't know in the live stream can elucidate this but what is the outcome of the fact that this summit isn't going to have this tape that they needed so much. I didn't understand that either. What was on that tape?

that was needed for the summit to be successful or not. I get that Plissken's like, I'm going to fuck you because you guys kind of fucked me. Yeah. But is he ultimately fucking the world? Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, because when he started pulling that tape out, like the last shot of Snake wrecking the tape, I did think like... Wait, is that hurting people, Snake? Do people need that tape? And what's on a cassette tape that couldn't theoretically be...

found again by the same person that recorded it. Yeah. There's just, this is why it is a grade school movie. You know what though? It's interesting because this came out, I think within a month of blowout. Yeah. And blowout sort of ends in the same way of like they're trying to get a tape. And it's all has the trappings of like Bicentennial America. And Watergate. And Watergate. The Lost Watergate tapes. And the like...

one of the culminating moments is somebody like taking the tape that everybody's been after and tearing it up and throwing it. But then also like the way the president is like, is on the dam and stuff that feels like the Philadelphia steps and stuff. Yeah. I mean, I was admiring like. So John, this comes out in July 81, was probably made while Ted Kennedy and Reagan.

Jimmy Carter they're all campaigning and stuff but and by the time this movie came out we're in Reagan world and it does seem like John Carpenter has this kind of like fraught relationship with reagan certainly they live seem to come out of like yeah his frustration with the way things were going but i thought you know in 1981 for John Carpenter. He might be the only person, him and De Palma around this time.

Might be the only people who are still kind of trying to be hippies. Yeah. They haven't fully sold out and not like, okay, we're in a new world now. Let's forget these. It's cool. He's a radical in this movie. I know.

You've kind of got the European version in Verhoeven, which we talked about. That's true. Speaking of which, I just saw that they erected a RoboCop statue in Detroit. Did you see this? I know the week that we talk about RoboCop. And because you mentioned the Philly steps and like Philly has Rocky, Detroit has RoboCop. It made me think what...

What could LA have? Immediately, I thought John McClane from Die Hard, but he's such a New Yorker, true and true, even though all of that took place in LA. Right, right. Through and through, I mean. It's not LA, it's San Francisco. And I don't know if you'd... Oh, Bond from View to a Kill. I was going to say Dirty Harry. Oh, yeah. That wouldn't fly as well today, especially in...

No. But it is funny that RoboCop is like a robo Dirty Harry. Yeah. And if it's fantasy, then you're kind of like, oh, it's okay that he's like not doing a, what's that called? Where you're. A due process? Yeah, yeah. He's not due process. Dirty Harry, I guess if it's a little too real, you're like, hey, let's have some due process. Yeah, and Robocop is satire and Dirty Harry is a little wish fulfillment. Yes, yes. So who's L.A.? Who's the L.A.? Is it...

The only thing I could get to, and I don't think this has enough impact, is Keanu Reeves from Speed or something. I mean, maybe it is in Tarzana. If you went in and they had a big Tarzan statue in the center of the town. Yeah, but I'm talking like downtown LA. Downtown. Because we've got Detroit and Philly. Who's your, I mean, maybe it is.

Rowdy, Rowdy Piper from They Live or something. Anybody else? Live stream? Columbo. Columbo. Yeah, that would be good. Yeah, and then you go up to the statue and then you stand there and then there's a censor. That when you start walking away, the statue goes, one more thing. Yeah, one more thing. But it still feels like it has to be cinema. Yeah. Especially in Los Angeles. I know. Anybody else? You guys got any? I guess it could be.

Nicholson from Chinatown. I mean, are there any other classic noir? It could be... Yeah, who's at LA Supercop? Robocop. Yeah. Who's the LA Supercop? I don't know. There's a wooden Colombo statue somewhere outside of Tulsa, just in someone's yard.

Oh, Deckard and Blade Runner. Interesting. That's cool. I would like any sort of Harrison Ford. I mean, I would take a Harrison Ford statue from the Mosquito Coast. I know. I heard in that... What's that new movie with... dave franco and allison or allison williams it's like oh allison brief no i think it's allison williams in the movie oh but

I think they show their younger selves. And as a teenager, he has a Patriot Games poster up in his room or something. Hell yeah. I heard. Yeah. All right. I want to see that movie. We got to get through some of this. I got a date with Jodie Foster. All right.

There's a lot of coziness in this movie. Yeah. Like... light up electronic boards. I know. And stuff. Chandeliers on cars. Yeah. I love that. I was like, in the last 10 minutes of this movie, I was like, this movie is so hyper original. that it's ending with a chase between a Cadillac with chandeliers on it and an old-timey taxi cab. Yeah. I was like, I love the movies, man. It's great. George Buckflower makes an appearance.

Now, you might. Oh, yeah. And that I found out is the Wiltern that they're walking around before the Wiltern had been refurnished. Oh, wow.

all of that weird, it's probably like the creepiest scene in the movie for me when he goes down into the bowels and it's just like a... crime den yeah there's like a woman being assaulted and then they go over and another guy's being murdered and then he comes up and he thinks the president's being tortured and sees the little sensor on the guy's wrist and stuff That's all the bottom hallways of the Wiltern. And it made me think like...

Yeah, that shit probably happened to the Wiltern in real life. Like at some point in the basement, there was like ritualistic killings. I've been down there. It had that feel. Yeah. And when did they, so the Wiltern got refurnished at some point in the. Turn of the century? No, no, no. Another location, Matt, that I remember reading this about Escape from New York a couple of years ago. But did you notice that there's a...

Special thanks at the end of the credits for PTs in Centerville. What's that mean? PTs. Pregnant teenager? Potty trained? in 64 Corners Lane in East St. Louis, Illinois. And all of the, it's really cool, all those buildings. It was from a fire in St. Louis. And then St. Louis was like, come on in and shoot your... dystopia movie in our streets. While it lasts. But P.T.'s in Centerville is a strip club. Oh, wow. And I Google image or Google Maps it.

And I think it's closed down, but it's like, clearly that was like a fun hangout for the cast. And so they get a special thanks to the movie. But if anybody wants to visit PTs and. you know, sit in the chair where Levon Cleef got a lap dance. Did you ever do that when you were a kid? Are you PT? What? It was like, want a Hertz donut? I don't, this was the lamest one of them all, but I remember it as a kid and it was.

two things and you so i'd ask you are you pt no oh you're not potty trained and then you'd say yes then i am yes oh you're a pregnant teenager

That was the game. And there was no way out. My favorite Catch-22, there's no way out, a playground-level joke. Matt, a bus pulls up. You get on it. The bus is filled with gay guys. Would you stay on or get off? I guess I'd get off. Oh, you would? Oh, you would? Look, I'm a pregnant teenager. I can't handle this stress right now. I got to figure out what to do with this baby. Now that woman, the aforementioned...

Summer Hubley. What was her name? Season Hubley. Season Hubley was the wife of Kurt Russell. Yeah, very... Somewhat briefly. And I feel like all dystopian movies have a blonde, spike-haired, punk rocker lady. It's true. And I didn't expect her to come and go so quickly. Yes. Just getting pulled through the floor. Pre. She said that about Kurt too. He got on the bus and then got off. But yeah, it is such a quick.

entrance and exit. I don't want to, you know, do you think that was kind of like a favor or something? If not a favor, maybe wouldn't this be fun? Yeah. And I did like the bad guys coming up through the floor Night of the Living Dead style and pulling her down. But John Carpenter started having the hots for him and Adrian Barbeau were an item during this time.

Well, they were breaking up during this movie. Oh, and Adrian Braco. Barbosa. Barbosa. I don't know. Apparently they both say that this movie was part of the reason that they broke up. For whatever reason. Escape from nuptials. Nuptials. But yeah, because I could see a case where Kurt Russell maybe was like, could she be? Can my wife be the Adrian Barbeau and John Carpenter be like, no, no, no. But hey, I got this other thing. Everybody's wife gets a role. Tofa Borknine, you're playing the Duke.

Tova Borgnine. That's his wife. It is. Really? Yeah. Were they happily married? I believe for many years. Wasn't there a clip of like, Ernest Borgnine was on Fox News, like Fox and Friends or something like, Ernest. you're so healthy and full of life, even in old age. What's your secret? And he leans over and whispers in their ear and you hear him go, I jack off every day. Are you serious? Yeah.

I gotta remember to look that up. Tova Borgnath, I feel like she's not still alive, is she? I mean, personally, I hope not. I know you guys have beef but like this movie is so packed with like cool ideas it does feel like a script somebody an initial script somebody writes if John Carpenter

if this was like one of the first scripts he wrote, it doesn't surprise me. Cause it's like one of those things that's like, yeah. Any awesome ideas, just like thrown into the movie, like having a terrorist take over air force one and kidnap the president. doesn't necessarily have to belong in the New York as a prison movie.

Like, it is a cool, like... It became Air Force One. Yeah, Air Force One saw that and said, hey... This is why I thought Tova Borgnine was still alive, because probably last time I checked, she was. She died in 2022. Ooh. Of... What? um the um and because i love that like set oh joe alvis that's the other person i wanted he's the production designer but he's the guy who uh

did Jaws and Close Encounters of the Third Kind. He directed Jaws 3. Oh, wow. But he's like king shit production designer. And you can tell. I mean, these...

They really locked out by being able to film in these city streets. I know. I mean, I joke about them stripping the parts off the M16, but that's kind of what the whole... ethic behind this thing oh that's cool make something by taking something away that's awesome yes you're right it is kind of this cool like minimalist future yeah kind of thing I mean I liked my favorite sequence in the movie is probably

Because it felt like such a vision. Like, oh, I'm seeing a director's real vision here when they go into the old... theater of the manhattan melodies and you have these prisoners in drag and it's not um depraved no it's like prisoners go there because they want to see some entertainment these people are happy to entertain I was just like really knocked out by that scene yeah that was cool that seemed like a

John Carpenter's being like Coppola or something. It's like very Apocalypse Now or something. I was impressed. And I like it any time in a movie when a theater shows up. That's fun. Me too. Now the...

The Chock Full of Nuts. People got a good little commercial there. I think so. Now, do you think... Ernest Borgnine's character, do you think he said the name Snake too much or too little? Every line is like, Snake! I'm a cab driver, Snake. Well, let's go over here, Snake. To the point at the end when Lee Van Cleef calls him Snake and he just goes, it's Plissken. The name's Plissken. I'm sick of hearing Snake the whole time. You've been hanging out with Bored Nine too much.

Orgnine, give me one Plissken, Jesus Christ. You know, he jacks off every day with the Jackmaster 5000. Although they wanted Bronson for this movie. Yes. And Carpenter very wisely said no. He said no, it's going to become a Bronson vehicle. they'll take over the movie he that was maybe the smartest choice he made with this but you could see it yeah and you read like the behind the scenes stuff of Bronson movies and it would be like Bronson wanted to be done by 6pm every day yeah and

To be home with Jill Ireland. Yeah. And kind of a similar thing with Kurt Russell's wife being, he kind of was a proto-Bronson here. But, you know, I've heard John Carpenter say this about Kurt Russell, which is just like... He's a director's dream as an actor. He was raised through Disney movies. He hits his marks. He memorizes lines. He's a total pro.

You would have not gotten that with Charles Bronson. He would have bullied John Carpenter left and right. Meanwhile, Kurt Russell is saying, what can I do? What can I do? We're not doing it that way. Sorry, I've been checking off with Borgnine. Every day, you and I meet in Central Park. I like a movie that does have like... Backstreet. Jack off with our backs to each other. Our backs touching.

So it doesn't matter where you're in the park. You're always seeing someone jack off. I like the, uh, having a countdown clock on your wrist. Yeah. Like the luxury that a movie has where the. ticking clock is like on the wrist of one of the characters like i know that's i wish that was in any movie they should yeah like i wish like prince of tides

Nick Nolte had a little digital readout on his resume. He's like, movie's almost over. Let's wrap this up. My dinner with Andre. We've only got 20 minutes left and no dessert. No dessert. God, if my dinner with Andre, they don't ever remark on it. But if you noticed in the scene, both of them have like those kind little digital. Exactly. And their dinner has to be done at a certain time or their heads blow up. And they have those tracer things too.

I like that scene in the train yard where you see little, did you notice that you see like snake run across the top of the train in the background? No, I didn't know. They're like talking to him and they're like. kind of doing a diversion. I'd never seen, like, create a diversion so I can sneak in scene that was like Zucker Brothers or like you see him running in the back. Like the...

Little knife to the head kill. Yeah. That was cool. And the way the guy just takes forever to like, he just stalls midair. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That was good.

But what a little cowardly bitchy president, huh? Yeah. That we have here. Interesting guy. Interesting guy. Real interesting fella. Now, something I noticed that we probably don't see anymore in movies. When Snake gets captured and they're like, they knock him out or something and he's laying on the table. I wasn't being too much of a looky-loo, but I noticed like Kurt Russell has like pimp.

Pimples and zits all over his chest. Oh, really? And I'm like, you would just not see that. I wonder if it's because he had to work out for this movie, lose some weight and stuff. Maybe he was like taken.

protein powders and stuff that could do that too. Creating a little acne. Early 80s, you know, creatine or something. But I feel like in the later... in the 80s in an image conscious 80s there would be somebody who was like the pimple popper oh yeah or now if it was a marvel movie they would just come in and kind of digitally take out but um

I think I really like about Paul Thomas Anderson, if I may say, is that the actors, a lot of times they don't get caked in movie makeup and you see real zits and blemishes. a lot of times a overly maked up thing, particularly if the world is one that people aren't supposed to be wearing. Right. Yeah. It takes me out. Excuse me. Um, the Duke is a great character, huh? Yeah.

I love that he loves Plissken's gun. It's like a toy to him. And also I love all the, they keep saying to him, I thought you were dead. That was interesting, huh? Like they keep saying, I mean, I thought Snake is almost like... He's supposed to be like a folk hero of some kind.

But he seemed maybe like he was like D.B. Cooper or something. Yeah. A guy who stole money and people thought it was cool that he did. Yeah. Maybe that's the best analogy for who he is. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'd like to see Kurt Russell. play snake as db cooper yeah um the um my other favorite second my favorite set piece is the um the gladiator fight that is yeah looks so cool and this like idea of like a a fancy ballroom that is now like come to waste and it's like

The walls are peering. Truly, maybe the most dystopian moment we've had so far. Yes. Where wealth and class just devolve into this gladiator sport of... Nails in clubs. Nails in clubs. Yeah. I wouldn't. I could have won a nails in club fight, man. Don't look at me. I couldn't either. Let's find out who. I've got two nails in clubs. I love, though, the immediacy. As soon as Snake takes that guy out, people start chanting Snake.

That is like so cool. It's good. And like, yeah, just whatever. We've seen gladiator fights in movies, but to like put it in this world of a dystopian.

action sci-fi movie is really that's so inventive and cool um the and i felt like the score the carpenter score in this was like pretty chill Very chill and sparse. Yeah. Yeah. There's long stretches where you wouldn't even hear music at all. That's part of why, I don't mean this in a bad way, the movie feels very slow. It's kind of plodding. Yeah. When I was watching it, I was like...

oh, this is going to be a good chill-out movie for me in the future. I think this would be something I'd put on and just have it cozy. That's the definition. Last couple things here. Donald Pleasance is pretty wacky in this movie, but I feel like we get him at his most lumacy. After he kills Duke. Oh yeah. You think so? Yeah. That's what he wanted to do to Michael. Oh, that's funny. Yeah.

Both of these movies end with Donald Pleasance shooting the baddie. Fortunately, in this movie, he didn't turn around and look back and then the Duke was gone. And then you just hear the Duke breathing over shots of like... And Duke wanted to come back to escape from LA. Yeah, Isaac Hayes, right? Yeah. And then John Carpenter had to remind him, like, you're dead. But I could see in a sci-fi movie.

I'd go, well, I don't know. Cloning. Yeah. You can come up with some plot points. Yeah, for sure. The Duke back. It's not like you're going to ruin the integrity of escape from LA, which by the way, if you want to follow on, we. We're both guests on the Blank Check podcast talking about Escape from LA. That's right. If I remember correctly, it was right after Glenn was born. So I had to leave halfway through or two thirds of the way through the podcast, unfortunately. Yeah. A regret of mine.

That was, while you were doing that, that was Escape from Dirty Diapers. called back. Oh, don't us. Dads hate those dirty diapers. Whenever you watch a movie, like three minute, a baby or something. The guy's like, Oh God. I'm like, Jesus fucking Christ. Grow up, dude. Yeah. Another man your age would be fighting in a war right now. I want it on the record. I love dirty diapers.

I do. I actually don't mind them. We had kids for the dirty diapers. No, I don't. I throw the kid out and keep the diaper. I don't mind dirty diapers at all. I don't mind changing diapers. And, you know, just a little tip. To you dads, you future dads out there, it's just a really, it can be your, it's a way a dad can be helpful. Exactly. And a dad who's like, I don't know, changing numbers, I'm like, that's one of the.

few things you can really kind of pitch in here, buddy. I know. Even if you have to Mr. Mommet, put a clothespin on your nose and use tongs. All right, we got to wrap this up.

Yeah. Lastly, the president is a murderer, which I really like. I know. That was very, very good. All right. What are you going to give Escape from New York out of 13? I'm going to give Escape from New York. An 11. Yeah. I'll do an 11 as well. I was really knocked out by it. I didn't think I was going to like it as much as I did.

I mean, I knew it'd be good, but I really love this movie. I think it might be third favorite Carpenter. It goes like Halloween, the thing, and then I'd say this. Yeah, I might. Ooh, Christine's pretty good though too. Trying to think of what I'm missing. I might be the same. Yeah. Well, next week or next episode, Rollerball, right? It is. It is Rollerball. It is Rollerball. Yeah. Roll them. Roll a ball. Is it called roll a ball? No, I don't know, but it takes place in 2018. Okay.

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