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This January, only in cinemas. Tell me how it felt to be on stage. Angelina Jolie is Maria Callis. An exaltation. I thought the stage itself would burn. From the director of Jackie and Spencer. Critics agree. Maria is absolute perfection. I will sing when I am ready to sing. My life is opera. Maria, exclusively in cinemas January 10th. Hello. I'm on holiday this week, scuba diving in the Caribbean. I'm going to be underwater most of the time.

So if you want me, you might have to learn whale Yours, Lucy Take your holiday as seriously as British Airways holidays take your holiday. Atle Protected. But I love them when they're lengthily discussed. Cause nothing's more relaxing than the cry. Oh. Oh. The movie outside is frightful. And the bugs are so delightful. They are. And since we've no place to go, it's Creepshow. It's Creepshow. It's Creepshow. That's good. That's good. Hi, Paul. Hi, Matt. Do you want to hear what mine was? Yes.

This movie is special. It's so very special. It's Creepshow. But yours is better because it's seasonal. No, microphone cheers. Cheers. Microphone cheers. Speaking of cheers, we get a little Ted Danson too. Ted Danson, right. I know. Yeah. Welcome to With Gourley and Rust. I am the titular Gourley. And I am the assular Rust. And this is the show where we talk at length, at our own pace. in a cozy cast about horrors, thrillers, and all of the above. Yeah, we keep it cozy on the pod.

interpersonally and then also just with these uh we got little coffees here and it's nice and cozy it's a it's a cool uh as as you referenced it's a winter's day yeah Well, not winter yet, right? I guess that's December 21st. Is that right? Well, it's certainly Christmas time. This is our last regular episode of the year. It's Christmas time. That's right. That's a good way of putting it. Speaking of that business, we were talking earlier.

So we do a mailbag on every second Tuesday of the month. That's correct. And you can get all of this on patreon.com slash with Gourley and Russ. And on the fourth Tuesday of every month, we do a commentary, feature-length commentary, or some kind of... of other bonus episodes. Yeah. Cozy Awards, a listy, a call. This month, we decided, because...

If you're just joining us, there's a tech upheaval in my studio here, so we can't do a commentary this month, but we're going to do what, Paul? What are we going to do? We're going to do our top five holiday movies. Not even... Horror holiday, because we've done a season of that. This is just straight up, we're doing holiday movies. Tis the season. Yeah. I love it. And some of them, hey, they could be scary.

That's true. That's very true. Even old Charles Dickens wrote a scary Christmas story in his day. That's right. That's why in the song Tales of Old Ghosts... gold glories and ghosty stories and i always wondered what what ghost stories but that's what he means yeah it's funny though that in that song it it says it as if there's many i know

And like that it is a tradition that on Christmas Eve, dad sits everybody down and tells four or five ghost stories before bed. Sounds pretty good. Hey, yeah. Well, I guess Santa Claus kind of has his own. ghost-like elements. He sneaks inside your house, but instead of killing you, he... Well, he kills you with kindness. That's his way. That's his way. Did you know I saw a red one? Did you? How was it? I wanted to say something right.

rhythmically it would have worked if I had an answer right there for you, Matt, but I delayed because I was going to say dead fun. Oh yeah. That's not dead fun. Is it really a good criticism? It's better than the movie. I imagine. Uh, Yeah, and it has the same problem I have with all... Hey, Santa Claus does exist.

in the reality of this movie, but we, you know, you don't, nobody believes it. People's belief in Satan is falling, oh my gosh, but no, he really exists. I never, those movies are so perplexing to me because, What about those grown-ups who didn't buy the gifts that they see on Christmas morning that weren't from them? How is it hard to believe in a Santa when that shit happens to you? I know, that's the thing.

That's like all bets are off when magic is actually happening. Yeah, yeah. Why is there any question that Santa doesn't exist? Open up your eyes. You didn't get those presents. Somebody else must have snuck in and did it. It's like a long time ago, a family member was trying to convert me to Christianity. And I was like, look, family member, if...

Rivers ran with blood and like the sky started burning and four horsemen of the apocalypse came down. Yeah. I would believe. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. They were like, Oh really? And they snap their fingers. And I'm not demeaning their beliefs, but they were very comforted by the fact that like, because in their belief system, that's going to happen any day. So there's just like a matter of time before I was. But it'll be too late.

for you is it well I mean by the point that the four horsemen they'll be they'll be like ha ha ha see I don't really know my deadlines like I don't know what's the last point you can get in Yeah, maybe between the third and fourth horseman. Okay, so when I see famine, but before plague, I got to get in there? If you just start hearing a bunch of locusts. Call up your local reverend and say, hey, hey, hey. Yeah, I guess if I saw that stuff too, a little bit of a...

Seventh Sign situation. That's a movie we got to cover. Yeah, that's good. That's good. But today we're covering Creepshow. That's right. We... We did decide that we're still deciding on the next season. Yes. On this Christmas episode. Oh, that's right. Yes. Is when we will reveal the season that will come after the new year. Yeah.

So yeah, we'll decide that on that episode. And another thing that you get on the Patreon is the live stream, which we have a nice group of ghoulies here all joining us. We've got Stinko and the gang. Xenomorph subscriber. You get to watch the live streamer. You also get to have your name read out, which we're going to do at the end of the episode today. Excellent. So we got a good gang with us here today. Yeah. Hi, everybody. Thanks for joining us on the live.

Scream. Is that all the business? Let's see. Yeah, any other biz? Let me just check. Hold on. Any other biz-ness? Busy-ness. We got... Wait a minute. Hold on. Hold everything. Do you think in that last segment with all the bugs... The person in that line of work calls it bugsness. I'm in show bugsness. It's called show bugsness, not friends bugness.

All right, let's get into this guy, huh? Yeah, yeah. Wait a minute. I did my notes weird. Yeah? I think I wrote them on different pages somehow. What if you did them backwards and you had to hold them up in a mirror?

to read them i was like that'd be really weird it's kind of like that i gotta turn the page the wrong way to get to the end of the notes all right it seems like that would be kind of like a spy method like a spy like your love for espionage even comes and how you take notes it's like

I don't want somebody to be able to read this. I want them to be able to figure it out with just a little bit of thought. Last night, I finished that big old biography on Kubrick by Robert Kolker. I think, you know... It's tone level. I think it's like 700 pages. Whoa. But what made me think of it with espionage, there's a lot of John Le Carre talk. Why? They were buddies. They talked to each other. And he asked him if he wanted to help write...

uh, in the late seventies, eyes wide shut. And, uh, and, uh, he tried, he was thinking about adapting, um, uh, uh, A couple of his novels he tried to. The title, Eyes Wide Shut. is the words Eyes Wide Shut are used in Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, which people think maybe that's where he got the title. And then when The Tailor of Panama, he wrote that? When that came out... he sent the book to Stanley Kubrick and was like, hey, maybe this could finally be the one that we get to do.

together. And it didn't work out. That would have been good because that's kind of comedic for Le Carre. I've never seen it or read it. Is it like the tailor is bad? No, no. He gave me a big bow tie. I wanted a necktie. He's like a classic man who knew too little kind of. Oh, that's fun. Yeah. Yeah. I, that's funny. You should mention that because.

I just read Nick Harkaway's book on, it's a continuation of the George Smiley character from Tinker Tail and he's Le Carre's son. Oh, in real life. In real life. It's so good. Wow. I'm like, is it blasphemous to say maybe even liked it better than some of Le Carre's smiley stuff? Oh, wow. I don't know if that's... True, but... I don't know if it's blasphemous, but it's certainly... What's that? The guy who killed his dad? Hamlet?

The other one, the blind dude. Oedipal. Oh, Oedipus. It's definitely Oedipal. Yes, that's right. Yeah. I guess Hamlet didn't kill his dad. His brother killed his dad. His uncle killed his dad. What am I thinking of? What a nasty uncle. Yeah. No, Oedipus, right. He killed his dad and his mom. Oh boy. Oh, not smooth moves. Smooth moves at a plaques. We were talking about doing a season of kind of paranoia thrillers. Yes. And it did occur to me that Tinker Taylor would.

Fit right in there. That'd be amazing. Oh, boy. Tinker, Taylor of Panama, Soldier, Spies Like Us. Done. Done. Tinker, Taylor of Panama, Universal Soldier, Spies Like Us. Oh my God. Beautiful. But I interrupted you. So you like the sun's writing too. That's awesome. I even sent him a message on Instagram, which I like rarely.

do but I was like you don't know me I feel compelled to say what a superb job oh wow is it his first ever it's his first smiley novel he's written some like sci-fi noir that I've never read but I've also listened to a few interviews with him he seems like a wonderful man That's cool. Very humble about taking on this great legacy, but at the same time, more than capable. It was really enjoyable. Also...

If we do cover Tinker Tailor, I'll save this conversation for then. But what's so interesting about the book is it recontextualizes a couple of things that have been kind of like...

long running relationship elements between characters and you always are kind of like, Oh, it's this way. It's this way. And then you read this book and it's not a way like, it's not like a last Jedi upending of norms. It's a, It's just a recontextualization that puts things in a little bit more of a nuanced view that you kind of give some, you give a character more.

empathy than you would have before. Oh, very cool. It's really, really expertly done. And also knowing the fate, because this is a prequel book that he's written. Ah, yeah. I was going to ask what time period it takes place right after.

basically the first Smiley story, which is the spy who came in from the cold. What if he based it in like 2024? The characters are like 120 years old. But Licari did that before he died. He had a book with this character that'll show up in Tinker if we cover it, Peter Gwilliam. And then... out of nowhere smiley appears and all the reviews were like it's so wonderful to have him back he must literally be 114

But look how I was kind of doing the James Bond thing where it's just like this character just exists. Just let it be. And even his son had to go back and reconcile with all that. And the forward is a little bit like, look. he's this age and this one and this age and this one. And it's kind of like how they didn't try to explain it where like George Smiley is like,

How am I alive? Cybernetics, my dear boy. He opens up a chest plate. There's like all these wires. It's him and Disney. I just love that. Because these exist before everybody was all about canon and everything. So you just give us the story. It doesn't need to be perfect. Exactly. Anyway, yeah. Oh, well, that's awesome. High praise. High praise. Really? It's called Carlo's Choice.

I highly recommend it. You don't even have to be a huge, like know all the details things, but if you do, there's a lot of little treasures and stuff. Speaking of famous novelists and their sons who carry on in their footsteps. We got Stephen King writing the script and then his son as the actor in the beginning of Creepshow. That's right. Steven King Rodkins' son. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which it's funny that Tom Adkins is being like, no son of mine is going to be reading this horror crap.

Meanwhile, for that kid in real life, Stephen King's probably forcing his son to read horror stuff. Yeah, and does he know that this dad is in two other Carpenter horror movies, at least? One that we just... Yeah, The Fog. Yeah, yeah. halloween three this is a bit of a fog reunion too you got the holbrook and the adrian barbeau and some fog yeah the fog goes back too do you think fog was like the person who was like

an asshole on the set of The Fog. And so like Adrian Barbeau. The Steven Seagal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so Hal Holbrook and Adrian Barbeau and Chet. Chet Atkins? No, the guitarist. Yeah, Chet Atkins is there. Tom Atkins are at the premiere. And they're all excited to see each other. Oh, this was fun, right, getting to be back together. And they're like, oh, God, look who's coming down the red carpet, the fog. And it's just a mist with a bow tie. That would be...

Incredible. But then also there's the like Ted Danson and his, I forget who the actress is. They kind of look like those pirates returned in the fog too. Yes. There's a lot of dead coming back that the fog also. it would be a good companion. Also that they feel like, um, uh, uh, I like sort of that, whatever post star Wars where it's like,

okay, we're making movies for the kids now. Kids love going to movies. Let's go into our inner child. And so whether it be like... I mean, this feels like it's in a line with Superman 1978 or Popeye 1980, where it's like, okay, we've accepted that we're making movies now for young... children but why don't we use the entertainment we liked the filmmakers are saying why don't we go back to the stuff we like and i guess that's star wars and raiders as well right of just like a fun pop

entertainment stuff that uh uh yeah it seems like they're either making something for their the kid that is the inner kid or the kid who's watching it but having like uh it open with a kid who loves reading comic books. I mean, I don't like any kind of pandering at all, but the one pandering I will be up for is when a filmmaker who's obviously an adult... You can't be a kid who's making fun. It takes the stand of, like, grown-ups suck.

Yeah. To like the kid. I love that. It's so good. Every heavy metal band video where there's like the high school kids, parents don't understand. Yes. Yes. Yes. Or John Hughes movie. I love that. He's like being like, yeah, I'm with you kids. Grownups can suck sometimes. Yeah. I'm a kid in a trench coat with another kid on my shoulders directing this movie. Trust me. That's fascinating that, yeah.

The late 70s, early 80s, those directors, mostly boomers, were pulling on nostalgia from the past. But when we were kids, like I didn't really, I had heard that, oh, Star Wars Raiders, they're based on serials and this kind of thing. But I wasn't familiar with that. So this was just all new to me. But now today's filmmakers are doing the same thing, except the IP.

has never gone away. Right. I mean, Star Wars went dormant for a little bit, but it was always present in the culture. So it doesn't feel like it has a reset or anything. Yes. It's an interesting kind of reboot. You're right. You're right. It's not like it took the... the parts of stuff and re, uh, form them into something new. I mean, what was that? Um, I didn't watch it, but the, um, uh,

The guy who... Oh, boy. Who's the guy who made the Superman movies? Zack Snyder. Oh, yeah. What was his, like, star... version of Star Wars. Oh, Rebel Moon? Yeah. Yeah. That seemed like an attempt at like... I think so. Hey, there's this IP that exists and I'm going to try to do something new. But was that just because he pitched a Star Wars idea and it didn't go for...

So he was just like, did a little, uh, find and replace of the characters. Yeah. Oh, maybe. I wonder if that, is that the story? I know. I heard that, but I don't know if that was just somebody speculating. I don't know.

Because that could be fun. Just, you know. Yeah. Write other stuff. The other thing of like the rip-off authorized, unauthorized thing is like this seems to be an un... authorized ripoff of like ec comics style like um warner brothers i guess owns time and dc all these things uh but like they didn't make it like a hey, this is the EC Comics movie. But then Tales from the Crypt comes along, and that is, but it's kind of like an authorized, if this is an unauthorized adaptation of like EC Comics.

Tales from the Crypt, the HBO show, is like an authorized adaptation, but an unauthorized ripoff of Creepshow. Yeah, it's a weird tale. Choking the dog. That tail choked a dog. That's a Creepshow segment right there. Well, let's get into this guy. First time seeing Creepshow, do you remember? Where were you when? Yeah, I remember watching it. It was a cable mainstay. Yeah, me too. So I think it was on TBS a lot or TNT, whatever the...

Monster Vision or the Joe Bob Briggs segments and stuff. But like a lot of these anthologies, I maybe am only familiar... Highly familiar with a couple segments just based on when I turned on the TV and started watching it. I did not remember the first segment at all. Maybe I remembered the line, the catchphrase, but...

That's the one I'm least familiar with too. It's the shortest. I also, we've been talking like there's four segments, there's five segments. There's five, Johnny number five. And so the whole time I'm like... Wait, I know Hal Holbrook and Adrian Barbeau are in this, but they're not in the ones, the bug one with E.G. Marshall. What's going to happen? Yeah. Then I forgot about the crate. Yes.

Do you think, I mean, that segment would have been entirely different, the crate, if it was the loot crate, right? What? Do you remember Loot Crate? Oh, wait. Was that like a subscription service and you did like clothes? Yes. I forgot about all those. Those went away. I know, but for like two years, you'd listen to podcasts. It was like, go to lootcrate.com. And there was some other menswear ones, like Bonobos. I know they...

They weren't just that. Yes, yes. I forgot that's right. But a loot crate sort of seemed like the grab bag at a kid's birthday party when you leave. You don't know what's inside it, but they've made a choice for what they think is going to be cool. I wonder if one of those advertised on, I was there too and sent me one, but I had to like send my sizes and my.

like color preferences and stuff. And a curated person would curate these things. Like it was supposed to be handpicked. Hey, Jerry, go get the red and yellow box. Just send this guy a James Bond t-shirt. He won't know the difference. Did you open it? I did, and I have to say, I'm not someone that typically am easy to shop for clothes-wise, I would think. But I still have a pair of shorts from that. And I wore a shirt that they gave me.

For quite a while as well. I mean, so... Hey. I mean, I didn't subscribe, so maybe that's why Loot Crate ain't around anymore. But I also feel capable of picking out my own goddamn clothes. Like I think most people do.

Yeah, yeah. That's a sort of a choice. You don't... I would think it's rare to find somebody who's like, I want somebody to... choose the clothes i wear my wife is kind of like that oh really that's fun where i feel like anytime she buys me something i like it very much oh but she for herself uh-huh she's like i just wish you'd

Just go buy my wardrobe for me. She doesn't want to do it. I appreciate when... my wife buys something and comes back and is like hey I thought you'd like this this seems like your style and then I try it on and I like it that I like it's yeah I guess the mysterious person out there who's making my

sartorial choices. Yeah, you don't know who this person is. What was the t-shirt? It wasn't a t-shirt. It was a short-sleeved button-up. It was like blue with a pattern on it. Oh, okay. It wasn't something I would have like gone into a store scene and bought. But when it arrived on my doorstep, I tried it on. The fit was nice. Yeah. Yeah. So I keep it. When you said that somebody brought it to you and...

Do you know that Blink-182 song? I'm going to just, before you name the song, I'm going to say no, I don't. I'm sorry, I do not know that. All the small things? I don't know it. I tried to tell you. I wasn't a bleak fan either. But when you go to karaoke or something, somebody will sing this song and you can read the lyrics. And it's the most punk rock line. Wink, wink. In a punk rock song. And it goes like this. She left me roses by the stairs. Surprises let me know she cares. Oh.

That isn't a punk rock song. No. Surprises let me know she cares. It's Popeye. Surprises let me know she cares. Imagine shopping for olive oil. That'd be tough. You got to go into a goddamn... You know, they have those large, big and large stores. Oh, yeah. Long and string bean. Long and thin. And it's an olive oil shop. And he's like, I need to buy me some olive oils for me. Olive oils. Who's thirst?

First, third base, I don't know. Oh, my God. Yeah, let me guess when he goes, when Olive Oil goes shopping, she goes... Do you have something with the red on top and black on bottom? Yeah, Olive, we know your style, okay? You love the red on top, black on bottom. I'm looking for something for Popeye, the sailor or the French Connection guy. That's good, that's good. It's me, olive oil. Oh, having an affair?

Oh, but you know, I'm always tormented by Bluto. The Popeye or the animal house, Bluto? Okay, okay. Come on, relax. And Brutus. Oh, really? The one who killed Caesar? You go back... that far all of well get out of here oh my god she's back larry call mall security Oh, God. Paul Blart. That's the crossover I want to see. Paul Blart throwing olive oil out of the ball. Finally, finally, the two characters.

When you saw Olive Oil, I was like, God, I wish you'd meet Paul Blart. And then you go to a Paul Blart movie. God damn it. Why hasn't he met Olive Oil yet? We had to Roger Rabbit legalize the hell out of these two different movie studio properties. we've done it because you asked for it. We got Robert Zemeckis.

To gather together Universal Pictures Syndicate and whatever Mall Blart is. My mom is going through some closets at the house and just kind of doing some spring cleaning in winter. And she found... this drawing I did. Blasphemous. I know. What are you going to winter clean in spring? Winter's when you're supposed to be dirtying. Yeah, making a mess out of everything. She's not going to have anything to do for spring. She sent me a picture of a drawing I did where when I was like 10.

I tried to do this, like, my own version of Roger Rabbit, where I cut out a picture of a family from a Newsweek, and then I drew, I pasted it on a piece of paper, and then I drew... cartoon characters around them. Oh, that's pretty cool. It was Roger Rabbit. Like they were with Roger Rabbit. I didn't take the next leap of like, you could do your own characters. I was just like, no, only Roger Rabbit could do this. That's what you did. I love that he's like, it's after the movie.

and he's just got to find a family to live with. Yes, he's homeless. Yeah. Jessica left him, so now he's got to... The other observation after I... And she was there. Jessica Rabbit was there too. After I saw Roger Rabbit, my mom noticed in my drawings a lot more cleavage. I think most kids had that.

Wasn't that something Zemeckis said, that they wanted to do a sequel, but that the studio wouldn't let him get away with Jessica Rabbit anymore? Yeah, that Jessica Rabbit was in alignment with their... I would... guess it also has to do with um they don't like making big um pricey the the the

above-the-line budget would be already to the moon and back. You've got to pay off Zemeckis and Spielberg and stuff. I wouldn't want Roger Rabbit. Leave it alone. There's something... really more and more as years pass by, you know, with the IP stuff that you were talking about a moment ago, like the movie that can remain a one and done.

A blockbuster. What are the great one and done blockbusters? That could remain a one and done blockbusters. It's like really E.T. E.T., Roger Rabbit. Is that effing it? Streamers, if you got any... Yeah, live streamers, let us know. I'm going to admit that I can't see the type from this far away, so I'll just... Yeah, blockbusters that were one and done is such a... That's funny that we could only think of... Two. Oh, Quigley Down Under. Right. Because they could have easily done...

Quigley up over. Yes. But they chose not to. I mean, I guess like OG blockbusters like Gone with the Wind. Yeah, Titanic. Oh, Titanic's a good one. But that's like an epic. We're talking like popcorn. Movies that could have easily been serialized. Otherwise would have been. Yeah. But it took the creators probably...

I mean, I guess fate intervened with Roger Rabbit. Yep, E.T., Titanic. Oh, the same things we said. Yeah. Wow, is that really all there is? I'll be damned. Although, if you did... a multi-sequel of the movies that didn't have so like it's like um et and roger rabbit They raise the Titanic and then E.T. and Roger Rabbit go on it and fall in love. Yeah, they all get into one big, yes, yes. That's good. That is good. And we know Rose is still alive.

Yes. So if you did a Titanic, the first one came out. She's still alive when the movie was made, but I don't think she'd be alive anymore. But if you did like a 27... That movie came out, what, 27 years ago? So you do 27 years after the Titanic.

And it's Rose after Jack has died 26. It's like when she's flying around in the biplane in those pictures and stuff. Yes. You see all the pictures of the stuff she's done. That's right. So she's just like, that would be like, when did Titanic sink? 19 what? So it'd be roughly... Well, it'd be like World War II. So Rose would be fighting in a...

Mustang fighter for the war effort. Yeah, and before she gets in the plane to go into battle, she pulls out the heart of the ocean in her drawer and she goes, maybe I should tell somebody that I have this. Just in case I go down on the plane. Or she just keeps trying to fly to the ocean to throw it in the ocean.

her whole life is to throw this thing in the ocean and she's never seen the ocean since yeah she's been landlocked for years and now finally Bill Paxton brings her out on a boat she's like yes finally I can throw this god damn rock maybe she was just like somebody who was like um a proto um who's the woman who was like uh if it doesn't bring you spark joy oh marie marie kondo yeah she was like a proto kondo

Marie Kondo, where she was like, this isn't sparking joy for me anymore. I'm going to throw this into the ocean. It's been in a Tupperware container for 72 years. The new one that I've heard, I don't know if this is true, is that if you found something and it hypothetically... hypothetically had shit on it, would you throw it away or would you take the time to wipe the shit off? That's what you have to ask. Yeah. I heard that. I mean, that's pretty brilliant, right? Yeah.

Would you? Well, I'm just looking at things in this room. I mean, you're looking at me and you're like, if you were covered in shit, would I wipe you down? Everything in here has already made the cut because I had to do a huge... quell and it's all packed away until i can get it out so yeah i guess everything in here has had the cleaned off it and just so everybody knows matt's been doing a lot of great work in this new studio you can't see it from this angle um these rocks you want to show it

That's good. If you're a Baby Xenomorph subscriber, you get to see Matt's rock work. And we're not talking Dwayne Johnson. There you go. Beautiful. So that takes some precision because you've got to make sure that the... How do you do that? Well, you can see that it's a...

combination of picking the right stone for the right place, but then you have to cut most of them. You cut that? Yeah. See, that's what that saws out right there. Matty, Matty, Matty. You have to do amazing work. Like cut this away and holy shit.

And then it's the filthiest, messiest work. I just cleaned it yesterday. This whole place was just covered in dust and crap. I thought they give you the parts and then you kind of Tetris them. No, no. You have to find them and fit them. It's like a puzzle. And then, you know, I...

all the thin pieces have been cut down from bigger pieces too. But then you also have to make aesthetic choices of like, Hey, I, it'd be good to have a big part kind of here, but let's get some little parts here. Wow. Yeah. It was, uh, It was quite an undertaking, but I'm so glad this part's done. There's more stones going over there, but I'm done for the year. I've decided once I finish this, I'm packing up for the year, going to just chill with the family as much as possible. That's good.

And the people on the live stream think it's gorgeous and dope. And Brantley Palmer, who provides our notes for us. He included a title of a blockbuster movie without a sequel. He wrote Inception 2. But I think he means 2 as in T-O-O as well. But I'd like to think that's the name of the sequel. Inception 2. Inception 2. It would be. Yeah. Yeah. He has Inception 2. Yeah. Barbie. But that's coming. Could be. I think that's coming. Yeah. The sequel's coming for sure. They should do a Barbenheimer.

Yeah. Like release a sequel to Oppenheimer on the same day as Barbie, a sequel to Barbie. Yeah. We should see this, the declining years of Robert Oppenheimer when he's just racked with guilt in the whole movie. He's just in a lukewarm bathtub drinking. And instead of like sex scenes, it's just like long sequences of him whacking it. To like... To a semi-flaccid penis. Yeah, but watching Cold War duck and cover videos. That's his porno. Yes.

Well, there's a mention of porno in this prologue to bring it back to Creepshow. Let's get into Creepshow here. Because in that prologue, which I love, I love the little, what would you say, this wraparound? Yeah. The idea is that it's a... parents who are like, why are you reading this crap? This smut. I'm gonna throw your comic books in the garbage. But then the kid, he says to the dad, well, what about those trashy magazines under your underwear?

You read in some, what did you get, order something from a triple X loot crate? Dad? A blue loot crate? Well, we get the Saul Bass Warner Brothers logo. Yeah, how about that? No wallpapered over. The true blue. True blue. Oh, someone just said the nicest compliment. What? Way Van Dam House. That's probably... Probably where my inspiration is coming from. Yes, it is a very Van Damme house. It's lighter than that, but it's the same kind of style. And you're on your way, man.

That's kind of the idea. That's kind of the idea. And I'm not talking Jean-Claude, huh? Oh, no, that's what I mean. This is Kickboxer 2. This whole thing's modeled after Kickboxer 2. You make it a gym. Somebody, you misunderstand the assignment. You're like, I want a house like the Van Damme house. And they're like, got it.

and they have a bunch of punching bags. It's like 80% time cop. I don't know. Yeah, I noticed the kitchen counter over here is built in a way that you can do the splits and have your two feet go up. Yes, that's exactly right. Speaking of Seagal, which we're talking about, for some reason, I have not sought out Steven Seagal. I have not mentioned him that I know of that Alexa can hear me. My YouTube algorithm keeps serving me.

People telling stories about how shitty Steven Seagal is. I'm not even clicking on them, but they just keep coming up. Interesting. Yeah. I've gotten a couple of those too. What's going on? Wow. The guy who runs YouTube's algorithm get, like, cucked by Steven Seagal? Must be. Like, no, people need to find out. You know what? I don't really like... The Steven Seagal. I mean, the stories are fun. Him being a jerk. Yeah. But have some cojones. Tell the stories about somebody who's not been.

ostracized from show business who could have no impact on your career. It's a little easy telling stories about a guy who you know you can't get ramifications. Tell us some effing bonkers stories about him. I don't know who, uh, who's working right now. That is a known asshole. I know someone's on the tip of my tongue. Well, there's whoever that person Rebecca Ferguson keeps talking about but won't name. Oh, yeah. This person I haven't heard is an asshole, but it would be as if...

This isn't me covering my butt either. I've never heard stories about Robert Downey Jr. being a jerk, but that would be a person who if you were telling tales out of school about him doing something jerky, I'd be like... okay, you're sticking your chin out there with these talking shit stories. Yeah. Which reminds me of... A couple days ago, I was reading something about somebody doing something jerky.

and they had passed away. So I was like, oh, I guess the story. One of the jerky boys died? Yeah, one of the jerky boys, you know. They could be real jerks with those phone calls. What if somebody had a big expose about how like they made prank phone calls. That wasn't, they weren't who they said they were. Um,

But then I flashed on a memory I had. I was like, should I tell this on the With Gourley and Russ podcast about an interaction I've had with somebody? But lo and behold, this is me now telling a story about somebody. who's been ostracized, and so it will have no repercussions. That's okay. Seemingly on my career. Is it juicy and fun? Tell the story. Okay. I saw James Franco flip out once.

Should I tell it? Yeah, of course. Oh, my God. So when Your Highness came out, College Humor was doing a series of... Was going to try to do some promotion. And the idea was that a group of nerds are playing Dungeons and Dragons. with the stars of Your Highness James Franco and Danny McBride. And Danny McBride was very cool, no surprise. chill guy who's not a prima donna a james franco on the other hand so this was literally two days after he had hosted the

With Anne Hathaway. Yes. So he was upset because the reviews were not good. He was in a bad mood. And he's sitting there and he's... In the first take, we're gathered around, and I'm playing a nerd, playing D&D, and it's like three other actors who are playing nerds, and we're sitting in a... stage like a studio stage and The first take James Franco like mumbles all he has his head down and he's mumbling all of his lines and It's unusable

And the director comes over and he goes, now I'm thinking, ooh, how's the director going to handle this? How do you get somebody out of their shell? And he says like, what was that? What are you doing? And I was like, Ooh, okay. I don't know if this is the right way to go. Like the director is a good guy. Who are the other D and D players? People we know. Um,

I'm just trying to imagine. I'm trying to remember who they were. They were people I had met. And also it's funny when like you're a... a nerd actor you know the other like a character actor knows the other people you're like oh yes so yes we went in that audition for dweeb number three uh uh but um and

And I was doing this because it's fun doing those comedy videos, but I'm also like, oh, this will be fun. I'll get to meet Danny McBride. So the director comes over and gives him that, and that... makes james franco more upset and so in the next take he starts going like off script and he goes and it's also like the script is about It's the joke that he's probably tired of, which is like James Franco, Renaissance man. So the premise was each person picks their character and goes, my characters.

Skibby the Great, and he's a warlock who has these powers. And then it comes to James Franco and he goes, my character is James Franco.

And he's been getting into cooking chorizo. So it's sort of like he has to be self-effacing here. So that's also part of the problem. And so he starts doing... ad-libs about other things that people say about James Franco so he goes but in the mumble voice he's still doing the mumbling thing so he's got his head down he goes James Franco was high on heroin when he was hosting the Oscars last night and Then the publicist comes in and like leans down and goes

Why are you saying that? The camera is on you right now. You shouldn't be saying that. So the publicist is kind of like upset? Yes. I mean, I imagine the last two days have been just a shit storm of like trying to put out fires and answer things.

And I faintly remember when the time came out, people were like, what is this guy? High the way he's acting? I don't know if they were saying he was high on heroin. Yeah. And for the... record i don't think he was hot you know uh or uh james franco i don't think lives his life in a way that he would be doing drugs and so um the publicist now comes in And then we do a third take and he starts doing this thing where he starts calling us nerds.

quote unquote, in character. So he goes, what about it? And he looks to me and the other actors. He's like, you nerds, you fucking nerds. It's like, well, this wouldn't be usable because in this video, you would seem like a psycho. What's Danny McBride doing doing this? Danny McBride is like a sweetheart. And between takes, he's saying...

to James Franco, Hey, and if you don't want to do this, you don't have to do this. Like, I don't want you to feel forced that you have to do this, but he keeps doing it. And then I see it reaches a point. where I see James Franco stand up, kick a chair, and storm out of the stage. And it never got made? And...

We did some sort of... He never came back. And we did this sort of like, okay, let's try to re-figure. And we came up with a new premise that used Danny McBride with the characters. Dave Franco. Dave Franco was wielded. It was a total sweetie. But no, then... I don't know if it ever saw the light of day. I doubt it. I don't think anything that was shot that day was funny or edible. Oh my God. So yeah. How crazy. Yeah. Sorry for that long little diversion. A little bit of Hollywood secrets. Yeah.

I don't think I've ever told a tale out of school. Hush, hush, and I'm the QT. Yeah, and I realize now, I think the reason also people don't tell tales out of school... is not just like, oh, it would be bad for Steven Seagal or it'd be bad for James Franco. It's the idea that, hey, this person tells tales out of school.

Like that's, that's the third rail. You don't want to be seen as a person who is, you know, I've been on different sets where people go a little nutty and you're just like, okay, I'm not going to talk about that in public. But I'm willing to stick my chin out for the canceled James Franco telling a story. And there's nutty and quirky, and then there's like borderline, and then there's like toxic.

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After a good break. So I've gone to Barbados for a month for science. Yours, Toby. Take your holiday as seriously as British Airways holidays take your holiday. I won't do it again, but I've told that story about Jim Carrey throwing me over the car thinking I was a stuntman when I was an actor in a scene with him.

That was an honest mistake, but it still would be crazy to do a stuntman. And also his demeanor on set was just, he was not in any way like cancelable or it wasn't any of that. I'm not saying that it was just. so one-sided and just sort of selfish but of course he's the like flagship guy and all this stuff so at what point you kind of go like oh

what's it matter? He's the star of the show. What else should it be? Yeah. At the same time, you're just like, this is not the type of living I want to do around people that are just like, don't listen to you. Even when I'm not even talking about me, I'm talking just like in a scene. Yes. You know, there's just, he's just looking through you, you know, you're not there. He just, he just, I think there's plenty of stories about him being.

whether difficult is the word, I don't know, but certainly very, let's say Jim Carrey centered, you know. I've just never been a fan of his in the first place. So I'll tell tales. Everybody else in that show is truly wonderful to work on. I really felt for the show runner who had quite a vision and was really creative and felt like. Jim Garrett's just kind of railroading it at every turn. Well, if you want to backtrack from any of that, you can just go...

Kidding. I am kidding. No. I know. I know. Kidding. Yeah, kidding. Yeah. Was that the name? It was. Well, segwaying back to Creepshow. Yes. I know you guys are sick of us yammering on about Creepshow. It's interesting in Brantley's notes, first of all, just kind of the onset accounts of both Leslie Nielsen as a wonderful man who still has his fart machine at this point.

every time I see that guy on screen cements the fact that I would just, just love to have hung out with him one time. Yes. And let him just go. Yes. Ted Danson, who. is frequently around the Conan offices because he has a podcast there and has been on Conan a couple times. The sweetest. Yeah, he's... Genuinely nicest guy. He's probably the person who is most seen as the nicest... The guy in Hollywood. Yeah. And yet it was interesting, the account of this, that he seemed people...

accounts of him was that he was kind of down because he was doing a horror movie. I think thinking like, this isn't the way I wanted to kick off my movie career where everybody else was pretty much happy to be there. Yeah. I could see, he seems like someone that takes things.

in a heavy way. I don't think he was... would have been demeaning horror movies more it's just like probably down on himself in some way you genuinely that guy is so you come you have one interaction with him anyone doesn't matter who you are you would come away going what a sweet guy yeah

Yes, and Winkler, Henry Winkler. Yes, yeah. Yeah, if you play... there probably is some responsibility if you're like the beloved lead of a sitcom you know there's the idea like late night talk shows will get like weird hosts will get like weird stalkers and stuff because it's the idea that they're on every night

on a TV. The first pair of social relationships. Yeah. And they're talking at you. It's not even like fourth wall stuff. They're like beaming. Right. Their eyes go out and look at you every night and talk to you. While you're lying in bed. Yeah. Right. Very prurient. Right. Right. I think then like the.

level below that is then just sitcom actor who's like beloved there's heavy lies the crown right you know you don't want to meet the Fonz and have him hit you like a jukebox right yeah the Leslie Nielsen being like beloved people, whatever the affection you have for, I have it too for Leslie Nielsen. It reminds me of, and this is still related to Creepshow because it's about Leslie Nielsen who's in Creepshow. Get over this Creepshow thing. Let's talk more stories. I found an eBay account.

that I think is, uh, owned by a producer, um, who's produced, uh, Airplane, and Naked Gun, and Tommy Boy. He's selling stuff from there? Yeah, he's selling some of the stuff. Or his assistant, he's helping him clear some stuff out. A reoccurring theme here. He's doing some screen games. This Dracula Dead and Loving It poster has a bunch of shit I don't want to clean off of. Oh, it's the movie itself. It's the shit I can't clean off.

But fascinating stuff in there. I was just going through it because it's from archives. It has... The company that did the test screenings for Naked Gun 2 1⁄2, their write-up... of the audience's like reaction oh my god so like this stuff worked and you're like you're reading you're like yes it does work when i want to take a good two and a half that does crack me up the

Part that was about this Leslie Nielsen thing that was fascinating is they were like, Leslie Nielsen had an overwhelming, above average response in the audience. They said... Most, in terms of favorability, most actors, the lead actor, get around 40% of favorability. That low? And maybe that number, it was 40. I don't know how, like, I guess it's probably about 100.

It's like a president's. Yeah. Leslie Nielsen's. Maybe it's extreme favorability or something like that is like 40%. Leslie Nielsen's 74%. I was like, oh my God. It must have been known, like, this guy, you put him in a movie, people go see it. They love him. Airplane was 80, 1980? Yeah, so Creepshow comes after Airplane. Yeah, so people are just getting used to him as a comedic actor at this point.

Only if they've known him, known him as a serious actor in B movies, pretty much it. Yeah. Television. Then he shows up in airplane. playing the exact same style is so brilliant in it. Now he's known and he probably came out the same year. Yeah, that's right. But this, I've never seen him emote as much in this. Like he's always so deadpan. When he really...

Like doesn't phone it in and he goes all out and he's like edging on goofy, but it's so funny and so high energy. I've never quite seen him. Yeah. Well, it's wild that, um, I agree. And it's wild that, um, Of all these segments, maybe excluding the crate.

A lot of the performances are kind of like torqued up. They're like broadly played, not like, oh, they're making a mistake. It's just like, it seems like the choice. Adrian Barbeau. Yes. Oh, right. No, that does. Yes, you're right. That is like broadly played. Like Hal Holbrook's down. playing it, yeah. Yeah, but...

It's so funny that the two actors we know as comic actors, Ted Danson and Leslie Nielsen, end up playing the most grounded performances of all the segments. I think they're the ones who are... Maybe E.G. Marshall, but like are playing it like not torqued up. Yeah. Interesting. But the opening mustache list, Tom Atkins. Yeah.

Don't like that. No, me either. Put it back on. Tom Atkins, who seems to have the heart of a sweetie. He does, yeah. And the face of a maybe not as sweetie. Right. Which is a strange thing to do. I noticed a runner that starts with this of like bad patriarchs. Um, like certainly in the beginning here, it's like, he's, uh, the, uh, um, he exists. He's like,

That's why you need fathers. You've got to have a father like me to be able to sometimes put the law down here in the house. And then Father's Day is right after this, and that's about an angry dad who's getting back in the family for not getting his cake. and then in the stephen king he's about to uh he's getting all that grass on himself and then he sees his father in the mirror who's like admonishing him for being a dummy for getting into this situation um uh

I guess the professor of the... Oh, oh, oh. Leslie Nielsen is a dad and there's no dads in the crate and there's no dad in the... So your theory holds strong. Well, let's extrapolate it all the way to the guy that looks like Tom Atkins in Halloween 6 that's a horrible father. who recently passed away. That actor just died last week. Really? What else had he done? I don't know. It's pretty bizarre how he died. Yeah, he died of like a...

Electrobox and his head explode. By Michael Myers? This is horrible news. Something has to be done. Michael Myers is back. He's back again. And it's in the Thorne Trilogy timeline that it's happening. I'll bring back the end. Give me an end to the Thorne Trilogy. Yes. If you're going to reboot Halloween this many times, what will it hurt to do one movie that wraps up the goddamn Thorne trilogy? Is...

Halloween H2O and Halloween Resurrection, are they theoretically part of the Thorns storyline? No, it's a reboot. Okay. This is 1-2 to H2O. Oh, because in Halloween 4, Laurie's dead. Yes. And in Halloween H2O, they don't try to do a thing of like, she faked her dead. No, that's coming right on the heels. It's like, I think one of the first sequels to ever negate other ones. But they do continue from part two, which is interesting. Yes, that's right. Yeah, yeah.

where Halloween 2018 continues from part one. It is the most wonderful. I'm so glad that I fully understand the timeline. Me too. Of Halloween. And I like that it's bonkers. Yeah. That like they have three different like reboots. Yeah. Four. That's why. sure, make this new Halloween TV series, make a new movie, but just do a one-off, close up that. That is maybe the biggest dangling thread in my entire life. Is the man in black, that guy.

Just that whole Thorne trilogy. I don't even care what the answer is. I want... Just write fan fiction. I don't care. Someone authoritative... A novel. Just do a little novel. Paul Rudd's character. He gets the runes and he uses them against them. Fine, fine. But I also want two.

I want one that ends the producer's cut and one that, because those two fork pretty significantly. So there's actually another timeline in this Halloween timeline. Get John LaCarrie, his son, to do this. He seems to be pretty good at doing it. Oh, yeah, Dick Harkoy. get on Halloween six. He does like future noir. That could kind of work. Why not? Cause there was the unmade Halloween six that was going to have a bunch of virtual reality.

There we go. Yeah, perfect. You know, it's funny with this, the dad tossing out the comic is that the movie's frame or whatever isn't... The kid in his room reading it. I know. book has been thrown out, and then when they go back to it, it's the pages blowing in the wind in the garbage can. Yeah, I know. It's interesting. It'd be like if in The NeverEnding Story, it was like the dad threw out The NeverEnding Story book. Or The Princess Bride. Peter Falk just tosses it out.

He closes the book out and then wind comes and blows the pages. That's how you follow the story of Princess Buttercup. I love the series of minutes. that unfold at the beginning of this movie where the kid looks out the window. There's a ghoul puppet. The ghoul puppet then turns to the camera, looks into the camera. I'm like, oh my God, I'm on cloud nine here. Bad practical smile. Yes. Then it turns into animation. Yeah.

Oh my God. And I love animation that is so beautifully of its time. Yes. Yes. Like heavy metal style that like adult animation. It's not Saturday morning. Uh, like the details of it are great. And then it goes into an amazing title credits and then does the... illustrated frame that like dissolves into the real people. It's the best. I love the opening of this movie. It's really good. And just get you on board about like, yeah.

Bad dads. Fuck them. There's no better way to start a movie. Everybody doesn't like their dad yelling at them. I know. It's such a good framework and such a good start. I have to admit, we haven't even talked about our general thoughts on the movie. This movie does bore me a bit. It's long. It's long. Yeah, when I put it on, it was two hours. I was like, hey, you're breaking the rule of anthologies, which they should be brisk.

Because it's crazy that Creepshow 2 only has three stories. And it's like, is it even an hour and a half? It might not even be 90 minutes. I'm really in the Creepshow 2 camp for some reason. Maybe because I think I saw that one in theaters, but I... It's funny that it has George Kennedy in it, and it's like, oh, no matter what, no matter what creep show, you'll get some naked gun.

I know. Yeah. Yeah, I like Creepshow 2. I think I like Creepshow 1 more than Creepshow 2, but I do agree with you that it's a little... It gets long. The crate. Crate is too long. It's way too long. Crate is my least favorite segment out of all of them. Me too, I think. Or the first one, it has moments, but... Far be it from me. to give George Romero notes, but the opening when the old lady, in the first segment, what's that called? Father's Day. Yeah. When she's sitting by the grave.

It goes on a little too long. You could easily take a half hour of this movie. When Frank Drebin, when Leslie Nielsen, after he sets up the thing with the Ted Danson on the beach. and he goes back to the house, that's too long. Although I do love looking at his, obviously a set, late mid-century designed house that apparently was constructed within a gymnasium.

Oh, yes. That's in the notes, yeah. Yes, and he goes back to Danson's house, or that's not Danson's house. That's his house. And Danson was just chilling out in the house of the guy he was, like, sleeping with. Like, he caught him. Yeah, I think because he was maybe supposed to be away. Gotcha. But just a house that would never exist.

It's just so obviously a set, but I mean that in the best way. Yes. I love a panel that goes up and reveals like a bunch of miniature TVs. Yeah. I was thinking it'd be funny if... When he brings up the miniature TVs and he sees Ted Danson buried to his neck in sand, he's like, this is the craziest episode of Cheers I've ever seen. What are the odds that the same thing's happening on Cheers that I've done to this poor guy? And forget about the...

will they, won't they fall in love? Will they, won't they survive? Okay. But when Leslie Nielsen comes back, Before they show up, that was a little too long. Yeah. The crate just has some kind of long. The only one that feels paced right is the meteor shit one. Honestly, they should all be about 10 minutes. Yeah, if they'd all been right. Yeah, yeah. And the crate is too long in the worst spot.

Yeah. For a movie to feel long. Where you should be peaking. Yeah. Because that's where the Joe Dante was in Twilight Zone. Yeah. Yeah. Or just giving the sensation of like, ooh, we are hurtling along. Yeah. I tried to think of like... in a mixed tape way. Like what would have been a better, like maybe the crate goes second. I think you cut the crate or you, you edit it down to less than half of, of how long it is. Yeah.

Yeah, all the business, once the professor goes down to the crate, you don't really care about what's going on with the professor. And you don't even know necessarily how to feel about him. It's so weird to end on the bug one, too. Yeah, I feel like the... Bug one, it ends with that because the very last moment of the bug thing is kind of like a showstop or like with the hole opening up in the guy's body and bugs crawling out. But I think if that's your second to last and you end on...

The tide will turn. Is that what it's called? Yeah. Do you know the original ending for that? No. I read about this according to IMDB. He gets, he calls the police once the two creatures arrive. and shows them footage but the footage doesn't exist

they think he's crazy on the footage is him basically confessing to the crime and it cuts to him in the gas chamber and the gas coming in and him going, I can hold my breath. I can hold my breath. It's so much better. And if you ended with that, that's your final. one you have the bugs before that yeah the crate is like 15 minutes

Meteor shit, I guess still open with the Father's Day one. The Father's Day one I didn't love, but it had a good ending. Yes, yeah. I didn't remember that. It's funny too that it's in this height of like... horror stalker catchphrases of i want my cake thanks for the ride lady two dollars yes all these things that people say over and over that's right yeah the um

Yeah, that seems to be a reoccurring thing that we're talking about with these anthology movies is that they rarely... The ends are rarely like... Yeah. Knockouts. No, they're more like returns to earth or like just mellow outs or something. Yeah, yeah. And... It's funny because we write, we've done sketch comedy before. Whenever I hear somebody be like, sketches are hard to end, I'm like, they're the easiest thing to end because you can go...

To the moon. You can just go nuts. And there's no responsibility after that to get a funnier joke or to be like, well, why would that person be doing that? You can just. And so the fact that these, I feel like these are kind of like. horror sketches yeah like they kind of follow the same thing like they start pretty wacky and then they get exaggerated and escalate as they go on like just

have some sort of O. Henry ending, like some ironic twist to these. They do seem to like peter out. It's interesting. None of them quite have that O. Henry ending. I think if... the tide turning one had that original ending it kind of had that ironic twist of fate but otherwise it's just a slight twist of like the creature gets out of the crate the meteor shoots himself

yeah the the crate one you can tell like they had to find a way to make it a surprise because like as soon as he brings her down as her his wife come down there like okay i know what he's doing he's setting her up to get eaten by the thing

And so the way they have to make it a surprise is for a moment, the monster won't come out. He's like, come on, come on, it's feeding time. And then you're like, I guess he's not going to come out. It's like, well, that was the... twist that for a moment i thought he might not come out and then he did um i remembered that monster differently too and now i can't remember what am i thinking of what monster from a movie around this era

has like big, almost like softball sized eyes with like a single horn on its head, like a straighted ribbed horn. And it's like, what am I thinking? Oh. remember a while ago too when we were both trying to use the like open source our crowd to remember something we couldn't remember i was trying to get them to remember that like british horror ballet kids show oh yeah

I have something new I have to present. Oh, please. Five or six years ago, Amana and I would put on this YouTube video around Christmas that at first we would laugh at, but then it became strangely comforting for us. And it was just... like a music it played instrumental music nobody spoke in it it's a family from like the late 80s or probably the 90s and the dad's in like a white sweater i think and has you know

He looks kind of like Henry Zerny, the guy who plays Ritter in Clear and Present Danger. And he like goes off to... See the nutcracker and it becomes the nutcracker. It's this family Christmas thing at night. He goes out in the snow or something. It's a video that goes on for a while. It was always in my YouTube algorithm. It's completely gone. And now we've become obsessed with it. I can't tell you anything more than that. And it's been replaced by Steven Seagal. I know. It's ridiculous.

So if anybody has any idea what that could be, that's awesome. Good luck. Hey, everybody, please try to find that. That'd be awesome. Yeah. I want that as a gift for you. When you were saying Christmas segment, that reminded me E.G. Marshall, who's in the Bugs segment, the last one. He's in my favorite...

episode of Tales from the Dark Side. Well, I thought you were going to say Christmas. I thought you were talking about Christmas Vacation. Vacation, that's right. He plays Ellen's dad, yeah. That would have been awesome if, by chance, all the Creepshow segments had each of the grand... grandparents from Christmas vacation. But I think I've mentioned this episode before. The episode is called Seasons of Belief, but it's about this creature called the Grither.

That's a good name. Yeah, it is. The grither is a creature who hates the sound of his own name. And so the more he hears it... the closer he comes to the person who's saying it and his ears grow bigger because he hates the sound of his name. And then the ears become so big, they become wings in a self-conscious way of like self-loathing or he just.

Hates the actual sound of the word grither. That'd be funny if it's like a guy who's like hates that. His name is Ralph. Yeah. Like, Oh, like my parents named me that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, the fun of the episode is EG Marshall is this. old man who's telling the story on Christmas Eve to his kids. Did you mention this once? Yes, I have. That's never stopped us. No, no, no. And also I just figured, hey, it's an anthology show.

It's a Christmas-centered episode, the Grither one. And so people should watch it. Oh, yeah, I'll check that out. And that has a great ending. Talking about great endings. Good to know. Yeah. All right. So if you like your E.G. Marshall anthology shows at Christmas. More and more, I appreciate E.G. Marshall. And it does make me wonder on Christmas vacation.

when you've got those four veteran actors, all four of them doing this, they couldn't have all just been jolly people. I wonder what they were like. Like E.G. Marshall's amazing. I could easily see him just being a crank and just not having it. But who knows? Where Clark's dad seems so sweet, but who knows what they're like in real life. And then you got... chev chase yeah notorious yeah like is that one of those things where um you know if uh a mean dog

goes into a kennel, but then there's an even meaner dog. The mean dog kind of is like, okay, I've got to chill out here. No wonder. Who knows what? There's... The old great uncle and great aunt as well in that movie. I forget their names. Right. Those are veteran actors as well. Yeah. You know... Plus Juliette Lewis. I mean, who knows what she was like. Chris Columbus was supposed to direct Christmas Vacation.

He ended up directing Home Alone because he called up John Hughes and said, Chevy Chase is so mean. Can you get me off this movie? I got to get off Christmas vacation. I can't do this with Chevy Chase. And so he's like, yes. Home Alone, you can do that instead. And then he bopped over there. How nice of John Hughes. And how crazy is that? How do you make what I consider to be a wonderfully successful comedy?

in those conditions when someone's just an asshole. Yeah. I guess when he's the focus of attention. Yeah. I mean, Christmas vacation and home alone are both, um, uh,

they don't have to be as well-crafted as they are. They don't. The filmmakers go above and beyond of making it a real movie. I watched Home Alone with Glenn. I had Glenn. Amanda was down in Long Beach for... couple days and i showed her home alone and she loved it oh that's awesome she's just like why kevin scream when he put his hands on his face And she was doing that. Matt, would you believe I had to give the explanation last week?

to my daughter and my nephews who are watching it and we're like why does he scream there and then the answer isn't really satisfactory because you're kind of like well it doesn't actually make much sense why he's like do you use aftershave I don't use aftershave no and like he doesn't

doesn't have a cut like right the alcohol the aftershave would hurt if you had like a cut it would just be bracing and cool yeah you just be kind of tingle why he'd jump on the bed and eat popcorn i want to do that Well, years ago, we tried to show our daughter Elf. And for her, it was a nightmare. Because for a kid who like... To your point of like, why is he jumping on the bed eating popcorn? Like that's a rule that's being broken. Like Elf, like when he picked up the two liter bottle.

And like drank it fast at the table. And the spaghetti with M&M's. She wanted spaghetti thinking that all of them come, because Glenn loved that movie. Oh my gosh. She thinks all spaghetti comes with M&M's. Or Skittles or whatever's in there. Well, for Mary, when he... guzzled the two-liter bottle of soda, she covered her eyes like it was a cringe comedy.

Like when you watch Curb Your Enthusiasm and you're like, don't do that, Larry. Oh my God, Larry's doing it. I can't look. For her, it was like, oh my God, he's breaking rules. He's breaking norms. Oh no, doesn't he know that's naughty? That's naughty. You shouldn't do that. I went to my daughter's school to read.

the book there's a storybook of elf oh wow like a kid's book and i read it to her class because each kid gets to bring in a book to have read and it's optional if you want to have your parents read it i just assumed every parent would apparently i've been the only one so far But I loved it. And I was just reading to the kids and my, my daughter, who's very.

She's the alpha at home. She kicks our ass all day, every day. At school, she's so reserved and so demure. But when I was reading, she got up and just stood in front of the rest of the class and stared at me like, you can't have him. I just turned her back to the audience and I'm holding up the book and she just stood in front of it. That's awesome. It had no sense that everybody else would want to see this thing. Oh my God. That story makes me so happy. That must have been a thrill for her.

It was a bigger thrill for me because she gets to see me in a different context other than just a nerd to push around. Yeah, and then to hear, for you, it must have been a thrill. I'm sure some kids laughed. It was fun. Yeah. We had some fun. To make a group of kids...

laugh is like the best thing on earth. I didn't want to say anything to the teachers, but I was like, you know, I'll come back anytime you want to do this. I love it. It's so sweet. And you know, um, we've, when Mary was first born, I know I, talked about how like oh it's awesome it's all authenticity kids don't have the hang-ups of like I have to pretend this and pretend that and it's still true to

This day, you know, she's in first grade. And, you know, if I was at a gathering and I could have the choice of either talking to a seven-year-old... or a peer, a 43 year old, I would do a seven year old because you're like, I don't have to deal with like the grownup shit of like seeing somebody.

filter how they're supposed to be and what they're supposed to say. And you don't have to do that as well. Exactly. Yes. And just kids being their own authentic selves, knowing where you stand with them. So like I dropped Mary off at school. um in the mornings and when i see kids i know where i stand with them just based on like their response so this one kid uh

I was walking by him and the kid like went out of their way to like make eye contact with me and wave and go, hi Mary's dad. I'm like, Oh, And I'm thinking about it because the grownups all see each other and everybody has to be polite. Yeah. And, you know, if you make eye contact or you go out.

You'd be psycho if you didn't look at the parent you know and say good morning and stuff. But you're like, oh, this kid's doing it because he wants to. He's just happy to see me. But it was so funny. There's no ulterior motive. Yes, yes. But it had happened just two minutes. after I dropped Mary off in her classroom and one of her classmates just full on stared at me with like this, like, who the fuck are you? Look, cause I don't know. I had like messy hair. I was like, uh, not like.

What have you done with Mary's daddy? Yeah. Yeah. It was just like, she was looking at me like, Oh God, get out of here. But I loved that too. Cause it was just like, Oh, now I know she's a weirdo. I was sleeping the other day. I was really tired. I went in, I put my headphones on and took a nap. And this is what I woke up to. She put stuff on your face? Stickers all over my face. Oh, my God. Stickers and stamps. See that live screamers? Sticker face. Oh, my gosh.

That's a funny thing to wake up to. All right. Okay, so any other thoughts on the first one? Let's see, Ed Harris, he's got moves. Oh! Yeah, Ed Harris before he was Ed Hairless. I know, yes. Yeah, and he's got those disco moves. He's got those, and it's another installment of horror movie Living Room Dancing. Yes. It just really was a thing. Ed Harris also, you know, earlier when we were talking about serious actors, you know, are they jerks? Have you ever seen that?

press uh it's like a like a film festival press pool kind of Q&A junket yes the violence thing yeah and he's like i'll show you what real anger is that he like scary and he smacks his hand on the table and like stuff jumps up off the table and then he tries to pretend like that was like acting he's like trying to make a when was that

That was a while ago, right? Early oddies. Yeah. I've told this story I know on here before, but I'll recap it about how my long time ago girlfriend and I went to New York and we saw him in a play. Oh, uh-huh. Creepshow, the musical. Yes. when they were testing creep show out regionally live on stage and I snuck us backstage. I just like glommed onto a tour group and then they turned right. And I was like, follow me. And we just went up some stairs and we,

We're standing outside Ed Harris's open dressing room. Just, just like looked in from the, it didn't like peek our heads and everything just stood out there. And Amy Madigan, his wife was like, Oh, Oh, hi, how are you? Oh, let's take a picture with Ed. And Ed was just like, Oh God, I don't want to do. He was so grumpy about it. Understandably. Yeah. We, but Amy Madigan was like, come on in. And so I think we wanted to use that as our Christmas card as me and my girl.

girlfriend and ed harris in a photo that's awesome uh yeah uh amy madigan uh I remember the two of them, they would not clap when... Oh, right. Elia Kazan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he ratted people out. Right. So they were like, I'm not clapping. That's right. That was a big thing. But... That moment, the press junket thing, I always think of Ed Harris as an actor who just takes himself a little too seriously. I think so. So when I saw him disco dancing, I was like...

Where's this Ed Harris? I know. I want him to do something goofy. I know. Yeah, he does seem pretty humorous. Has he ever been, like, silly since Creepshow? I don't know. Take it to the live screamers. Has Ed Harris ever been silly? What was he in recently? That like noir with Kristen Stewart where he plays her dad and he's got super long hair. He's creepy and he's not funny, but he's...

He's a little eccentric. Yeah. Yeah. I'd just like to see him, you know, do some fun Adam Sandler movie. Yeah. Mean coach on the opposite team, but then you become goofy at the end. I will say that I love the ending of this first segment. It pays off very well. And then when it turns to the comic book frame and there's the girl going...

gag, like gross, but it also works as like, what a gag. Oh, that's good. Yeah. I haven't thought about that. That's great. Yeah. This first segment is the one that seems to do the comic presentation the most. Yeah. and then it kind of, which is weird to start with that. And then kind of, although meteor shit, which is next is pretty, yeah. Um, meteor shit should have been second to last. Yes. Little thing. Yes. Yes. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, because it felt a little like as it peters out...

And the comic construction stuff is kind of like my favorite stuff of the movie because it's... feels the most original. Like, oh, I haven't really seen this. And then even when it's not in the panels, how it's just graphically trying to make stuff look like... comic books like the lighting and stuff is really great um but the way that it's in such heavy force in the first one and not so much by the fourth one it feels a little bit like somebody's um

commitment to romance on like first date versus fourth date. Like pull it up the stops and then by the fourth one, they're like, you know, like 40 years in. Yeah. So Stephen King, He said in the notes, it says that George Romero wanted him to act it up kind of Wile E. Coyote style. And Stephen King didn't like that. But for this kind of exaggerated acting, I think he's.

pretty good is that yeah crazy i was surprised this time to go like it's stylized and it's goofy but it's pretty good yeah the um the acting in the First one is pretty, like, the rich family is pretty broad. I've noticed with all of these, wealth is like a detail in every one. Like... And the person who wants more is the person who gets it the most. Yeah. Or gets freaked out the most.

I like to think, is this our first George Romero in the whole series? It might be. George Romero, I think, is like the coolest dude in the world. He like... Worked in public television. Raised his own money. Got actors from the local community to make his movies. But this... These segments do feel a little bit like a 60s radical type guy who is seeing what's sort of happening in the...

by the late 70s, early 80s of people's interests are changing and what they prioritize are changing. And there's all of these having some sort of thing of like, I'm sure in the old EC comics, like... Somebody who is greedy and wants more also got their comeuppance. But I like that that's sort of like what he's leaning into with all of these. The deaths in the first one...

I wish they weren't as bloodless as they are. I wanted some more. It's really up and down with when it wants to show gore and not. Yeah. Because even in the crate, it's really confusing what's. like monster saliva and what's blood. Cause at times what should be blood is just water. Yeah. But then when he kills that, like assistant student, it's super gory. Yeah. It's strange. I know with.

All of these, the sort of combination of broad performance and kind of goreless deaths in a lot of these anthology movies make me feel like... they are sort of geared towards kids. Yeah, there's something to that. And the broadness thing too seems like it's just some kind of like function of shorthand.

In order to keep these stories light and moving, you can't have real drama. But I would be curious to see an anthology that's a little less tongue-in-cheek. Well, I think they tried with the Mark Hamill one. That's true, and it wasn't entirely successful. The performance of Stephen King, to your point that you made earlier, I like it... now but when i first saw it i was like whoa this is performance is wild um because he's already so goofy looking yes and i uh was in a sketch group

called A Kiss From Daddy. And we were together for a few years and did sketch shows. Is that a Ferris Bueller's reference? What is that? No, but some people thought that. Not a kiss for daddy, a kiss from daddy. A kiss for daddy? the difference. I did recognize that, but I thought I'd try. I wrote a sketch that was... Stephen King is called into a Hollywood agent's office, a Hollywood acting agent, and he's like, Stephen, look.

I want you to give up the writing thing, man. You are your generation's greatest actor. He's like, geez, I don't know. He's like, are you kidding? When was the last time you watched Creepshow? And then I just had clips come up. of his acting. That was like some of the worst line reads. And he's like, he's like, see, see how brilliant you are. But it was like, uh,

Maybe I could bring this media up to the college. I'd like to rescind my comment that he's a good actor. Well, I only had to be truthful right now because...

If somebody, you know, if I knew that I wrote this sketch once that was so hard on his acting, I like it for its charms now. But that part when he looks out the thing and he sees the... the lawn all getting taken over by moss and stuff and he goes no no no no no and then like when he's like going I love all the fantasy stuff too where it's like dang I mean

I think George Romero made the right choice of having to act that way. It's a pretty goofy story. In our notes, Brantley included some sketches from Tom Savini on how certain things would work. So when... this Stephen King overtaken Moss man shoots himself. There's a drawing of, and by the way, if you're a subscriber to the patron, we publish these notes. Thanks to Brantley. Thank you, Brantley. It's the real stuntman in the feet.

and the lower body but he's lying on the ground and it's a prosthetic moss torso and head but it's also the stuntman's arms and so he has the shotgun and he's lying down on the ground and behind the wall that the guy sitting on. So that's how he blows it up. But also there's a diagram of how Adrian Barbeau's headshot works too. And it's so... That's awesome. Yeah. I mean, cool that Savini has these... I mean, when he shoots his...

Head off at the end. That's like when I'm like, this segment is so bizarre. It's really bizarre. A moss grass guy. It's not even a story. In his mouth and blow it off. Like odd ending to a thing. Yeah. And then that this moss is going to take over the world essentially. Yeah. And what's the mosses?

Motivation? Yeah. Do you think it's like Alien where it's just kind of like, no, or Jaws where it's just like, I'm just doing my thing. You're in the way of my natural. I don't think it's sentient. Yeah. Just like communism. I just thought, you know, if Stephen King wrote this and he's acting in it, it felt like some sort of parable for like addiction or something of this like...

outside thing that overtakes you and it makes his body all itch and he's just trying to like get rid of it but he can't and eventually he just has to like blow his head off in order to like not succumb to it or something. I know. It is a wild story and the voice that he gets once he becomes the man I wish the last two segments had carried on I feel like there's this like motif in all of them where it's like

When the people show up at the end, when the Father's Day, when he talks, he's like... It has that weird kind of like synth treatment. Oh, yes. It's like a... A ring filter or something like that? Yes, yeah. And then he gets it, Stephen King gets it when he turns into the Moss Band, and then Ted Danson has it when he comes back from the water.

Find a way to get that little effect in the fourth and fifth one. I know. Just like apparently the marble ashtray was supposed to be in every segment too. Yeah. Maybe it'll just appear in other movies now. The marble ashtray or the vocal effect? Yeah, we'll go to the new Christopher Nolan movie and there'll be a marble ashtray in it. We're like, oh, okay, it paid off. Spinning on a table. Yes. Inception 2.

All right. We're on to the tide has turned or whatever it's called. Yes. At one point, Leslie Nielsen says, don't call me mister, but you just feel like he's going to say, don't call me Shirley. Oh, I know. When he said that, I was like, don't call me. Yes, yes. I am serious. And don't call me Mr. Yeah. His sweater in this. I wouldn't put it in the pantheon of cozy sweaters because I don't know what to make of it. It's so strange because it's like part sweater, part poncho, all couch upholstery.

And it has this like V-neck, but with a little tab across it and like kind of goes down over the waist. It's really something. Yeah. What would you call that style? I don't know. It's something like I've never seen where the cut of it could be kind of like futuristic, but then the... fabric is kind of retro yes it's so strange yeah i've never seen anything like it but it does seem like something a affluent man of means eccentric man of means would wear yes yes uh

I like the bug one quite a bit. It's a contest between the bug one and this for my favorite. What's your favorite? Let me see. You know, early on, we did talk about how we would rank these by segments and not by movies. I did rank them here. I don't, we haven't talked about it well, so I understand if you haven't done that. I.

I have actually the Meteor on the highest for me on this. Oh, right on! And then followed by the Beachheads. Uh-huh, the Beachheads. Yeah. Like that music video with Huey Lewis and the News. Remember, they're all... Their heads are up in the sand. Yeah, this segment, I mean, we said this about the last one. They're really like bizarre. They're kind of like wild ideas. They just don't all, none of them.

really fully land or they don't take off i don't know what it is yeah it's not landing they're not taking off for me yeah and i like how in a lot of these um ec comic stories it is about the like adulterous person getting their comeuppance. Yeah. And it's so funny to me that like the 12 year old audience that's reading this is like, yeah, adulterers should get there. I know. Corporate.

CEO, mean guy. But the combination of like... I mean, I think what makes this a segment I really love is the like 80s tech-ness of it, of like... him talking about the forehead VCR and breaking out the camera with the tripod and hooking it up to a TV and then the...

monitors in the wall and the surveillance system yeah they also seem to all kind of come from like some id like they're all drawing from like the same like The way in segment two, he wants to go to the college, and then in segment four, it's like based... in a college like and the tech of like the surveillance in the tide segment being like the surveillance in the end with the bugs like there's all these kind of little connections you can make yeah

They're not intentional, I don't think. I think they're just coming from the same fluid. The weirdest thing is that he takes off the most comfortable sweater in the world to put on like a tracksuit. Yeah, what's up with that? I mean, I love it. I love that he just, to lounge around home, his job's done. He's killed his cheating wife and her lover. He comes home and pours, is either like straight gin or vodka or maybe a gin and tonic in a tall.

glass and puts on a tracksuit and just lies in bed. Yeah, not like Stephen King's character. He doesn't pull the whole bottle of alcohol in and then use the bottle to stir it. That's right. I thought that was a really nice touch. I wonder if that was his, who came up with that. It's pretty good. It also reminded me a little bit, the setup is a little bit like the Vanishing that we watched. Uh, where it's like Leslie deal said the whole way he gets.

Ted dancing into this is the same way the guy in the vanishing does, which is like, I have your loved one. That's right. If you want to find out what happened to her, you got to come and do this. And then you find out they're both. But, yeah, the pretty secluded beach.

Well, he says he owns that whole Point Comfort, so he can fire a bullet and no one can hear it. He owns Point Comfort, Paul, and his house is called Comfort Station, or Comfort Point and Comfort Station. Cozy Station. I know, I thought about it. Because I was thinking it'd be funny if... like you know a family that's you know doesn't know it's a private beach but kind of like shows up and then they have to like look over and see Ted Danson's head sticking out of the beach like get the car kids

It's time to go. No, we got to save Sam Malone. Have you heard the idea that, you know, from the beginning of Cheers until the end of Cheers. Sam is looking for love and can't find it. And then eventually he finds his community and the patrons he serves. But he is truly Sam alone. That the M of ends in Sam goes into the beginning M of Malone.

I don't know if that's a theory I've heard. Well, have you not heard that? Because the way that Shelley Long's character goes out is she puts a bullet in a gun. And that's why she's Diane Chambers. Yeah. She's going to die. And Chambers. She changes her name to Ann Chambers and then Chambers around. And that's what's Christy Alley's name.

Rebecca Howe. So it's like, Rebecca, how did she manage to run this bar? Her four best friends, it starts a newspaper, Rebecca, who, what, when, where, and how. And then she... Well, you thought she was just going to Becca once, but she rebecks. But how? Then she meets Dewey and Cheatham and starts a law firm. Frasier Crane. He has Crane-like tendencies. Yeah, Lilith Stern. They've all got there. Wow. Cliff Clavin. No, he just...

does a Jerry Lewis impression. I think much like the segments in all the segments in Creepshow are about class. Yeah. The difference between high class and low class when the friction that's caused between the two. Every dynamic in Cheers is high-low. Yeah. That's the whole brunt of the story. Carlo, Woody, Coach.

Yeah. And Sam and Diane, it's like, she's high. Yeah. She's coming into a bar that's low. Yeah. And then Rebecca, when she replaces him, they still kind of hook onto that. Like Rebecca is, um, uh, wants to move up the ladder. Yeah. And she keeps, uh, trying to get out of low and get hot up to high. Frazier is somebody who like the comedy is like, what's this? Yeah. psychiatrist doing that with these bar flies and then even...

The high-low is in the geography of the bar and the restaurant that's above. It's like a classy restaurant. The guy who runs it wants to come down. He's like, Sam, Sam, you're too low class. God, I saw that Kelsey Grammer was like 29. when he started as Frasier on there. When I saw that, I thought, that guy's 60 if he's a gay. Yeah, he definitely has a Brimley's condition. Brimley's syndrome. Brimley's syndrome.

Incredible. All right, the crate. Yes, the crate, the loot crate. I don't have much to say about this. It's just long. Why does Adrian Barbeau come home and drink milk? And what's with the water blood? Yes. A lot of weird liquid... Problems with this one. There's liquids all over this movie. Stephen King gets into a bathtub. They get there underwater. This... Yeah. I...

Yeah, I really don't care for this segment. I think the Adrian Barbeau character is like such a fun, like whatever that stock character is of the like loud mouth, nagging. boozy wife is like... If I was an actress, that would probably be the most fun part to get to play. She doesn't quite... Deliver it for me in this. I don't know what it is. She's so good in The Fog. I loved her in The Fog. And this doesn't feel like it has dimension or something. Comedy is her strong suit.

Yeah. She should have taken the Ed Harris path. And also, who's like the lead of this one? Like, is it the Lecce professor? Because you expect him to get his? No, I know. But it's Hal Holbrook. And then Hal Holbrook, you're sort of like... Okay, I know I didn't like Leslie Nielsen. He's like the baddie because he's trying to kill his wife. But Hal Holbrook, you're kind of like on his side for wanting to kill. I know. And then...

The fact that the student and the janitor are the ones who get... I also don't know what the... A good EC Comics story is also kind of like the... Simplified moral story. The moral of the story. I love those. This one, I don't know what the... It's just simplified to the gender politics of the time, and that is a nagging wife deserves to die. Yeah. But then the monster is sort of like, okay, so normally that would be like you shouldn't try to contain...

science shouldn't try to contain what is natural. So like they put them in a box and they keep them down there. No, exactly. And in the movie, the segment doesn't explore that. And then it's sort of like, maybe. uh, they're getting theirs because of curiosity. Like you shouldn't be so curious about, but that isn't really in there either. Cause what are the, there's two of these that are original Stephen King novella stories. Which ones are they?

I don't know. I'm blanking. Me too. Because the segment also doesn't like... There's some kind of thing in there that they keep going back to like, I'm nuts. Like the student thinks the professor is like losing it. And then the professor goes, I think I'm losing it. And Hal Holbrook says about him, I think this guy's gone nuts. So it's some sort of thing of like... academic sophisticates who yeah it's just uh and then yeah it's not i don't know like what's suspenseful about i like the creature

And I like the idea of a creature in a box who gets unleashed. But of all the stories you could tell about a creature being unleashed from a box, it's this one? Yeah. It's Father's Day, something to tide you over, and they're creeping up on you. Okay. Original stories. Oh, so the lonesome death of Jodie Verrill is based on King's story weeds and the crate. That's interesting. The two thinnest ones in this. Hmm.

Are there actually existing stories? Yeah, it would be more like, yeah, that they have to cut stuff out in order to, but this seems like they're trying to add water to the blood. Yeah. That's fascinating. And the fact that it has the least amount of the comic book flourishes too, weakens it for me. It's got a lot of the extreme lighting, but... Yeah. It just takes, it could be half as long. Yeah. And the, I like the, it could be half as long. And the bloody deaths.

I don't know. They're not as gory as I would hope them to be. Oh, I want to say, though, that I love when they come back from the water in the tide one. When they get shot and that black watery stuff comes out, that's awesome. That's good stuff. When you get down to it, the effects are pretty good. Like you said, ending on E.G. Marshall's whole prosthetic body getting...

Opened up by cockroaches is pretty great. Yeah, in general, all of the special effects, practical stuff, I really, really like in this movie. They either are impactful or they have their own like... sweet charms that are very winning. I'd like to think that that creature at the end, the reason he chose to eat her is, you find out later, he's an incel.

I thought you were going to say he just likes milk and he could smell it. Oh, this has water too at the end. He throws the creature into the water at the end. That's right. Which also is kind of like a lame. And it's like, oh, he got out of the box in the water, so what next? Then he tracks down Hallbrook. These all feel like Stephen King in his cocaine-addled phase, not really having a beginning, a middle, or anything. Yes, yes. I mean, he always has good...

Excuse me, concepts, but... I guess I wish I could live inside Hal Holbrook's voice. I wish I could live in his hair. Oh, boy. He's great. Yeah. He deserved a better segment. Wouldn't you have loved to have seen, because he used to do a one-man show as Mark Twain. Yeah, so did, speaking of cheers, so did Woody Harrelson. He did? Or no, no, Woody Boyd.

Oh, that's right. So a night of Woody Boyd, Val Kilmer and Hal Holbrook doing triple dueling. And it's called never the twain shall be. That's partly. I wouldn't have thought that unless my friend Claudia O'Doherty had as an idea where Mark Tain... time travels and meets Shania, Shania Twain time travels and meets Mark Twain. It's called never the twain shall be. We wanted to do, uh, my friends and I once, um, a night of monologues in.

different characters of Richard Gere performances and it'd be called, uh, switching gears. And so you're like, Oh, I'm the playboy from pretty woman. And now I'm Dr. T. Now I'm Summers B. He's shown up in a, there's a new spy show called The Agency, which is based on a French spy show called Le Bureau. Ooh. And he's in that. What's his character? He's like the head of the London station. Pretty good. Yeah. I've never been a...

I was going to say gear head. Yeah. I haven't necessarily either, but he's pretty good in this. Yeah. Michael Fassbender's in this too. And Jeffrey Wright. Whoa. What a cast. Yeah. And the original show it's based on is top. Notch. Have you seen it? Oh, yeah. Oh, cool. Except it does this, I won't spoil anything, but the showrunner who ran it so brilliantly was so concerned with finales never sticking the landing.

that he completely gave the last episode away to another filmmaker to say, do whatever you want with this. And I will say just personally, I don't think that person did it justice.

It was such a shame to see such an amazing show kind of have a different tone, style, and even just... story-wise an ending that i didn't feel was very satisfying yeah that's like uh if you're a prisoner and you got your last meal and then you pick something you don't you let someone else choose for you yeah like i want wonder bread and um oatmeal

Dipped in shit that you can't wipe off. And then there's this new show called Black Doves and Slow Horses. We're just in a good time for TV spy shows right now. Yeah, I'll say. What do you think that is? I've willed it to happen. I'd be curious to see when spy espionage stuff in the culture, when it rises and falls, what are the conditions around that? Probably because the deep state is controlling everything. That's true. They are.

Do you think there's a deeper state? Yes, there's the deep state, the really deep state, and then there's this one state that you can't even see the bottom on. It's like the ocean that nobody's actually ever seen the bottom of it. There's like a weird lamprey that runs everything in the deepest state. So segment five, segment cinco. The Bugs one. Yeah. This is the one I've probably seen the most.

And because it's last and you'd catch it on cable. Yeah. Same. Yeah. So you're always going to see the last first one. Yes. Yes. I've never seen the part of deliverance with the like famous rape scene. I've only seen the second half of Deliverance. Oh, wow. Yeah, because, right, you're more likely to see the back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's another movie like that, too. What is it?

I would always catch the same, I don't know. Funny now with the distinction of streaming versus cable, the idea of... coming in at a halfway point of a movie is just not possible. It would just have to be your friend is watching it. You sit down. Yeah. Otherwise, you'd be like, no, I have the power. I told you that I would watch... Seinfeld at 10 o'clock and syndicated and I wouldn't pause it and I wouldn't pause it to fast forward the commercials or anything.

I love the comfort of I'm watching something that other people are watching right now. When a Bond movie was on like TNT, I would want to watch it just thinking like... The world is alive right now. Yes, it feels good. Everyone in the world is talking about this. The zeitgeist is... positively buzzing with the world is not enough right now. I mean, it is such a comforting notion that when you were watching something like, yeah, and...

HBO or something. You're like, other people are watching, uh, explorers right now. Oh, there's another blockbuster that never got fallen. That's true. That's true. And Mac and me and batteries not included. The sequel is called Batteries Included. One Battery Included. One Battery Included. Oh, mom, they made a sequel. You got to take me to One Battery Included. Collect them all. You have to put it together.

Batteries Not Included was, like, the worst amalgamation of, like, Cocoon. Yeah. Oh, you know what we didn't talk about with the Twilight Zone, the movie thing? How proto-cocoon the Kick the Can segment is. Yeah, that's right. It was almost like somebody was... I was like, let's make a whole movie on a kick the can segment in Twilight Zone. Right. That's true. But I like all the Howard Hughes stuff in this. Is that the Charlie's Angel guy on the voice? Because it sure sounds like him.

Yeah. Is that supposed to be a joke? I haven't even looked it up. I don't know. And then I love the voice of the angry wife. Yeah. The distraught wife. She's good. And E.G. Marshall's really funny. Fantastic. He's so good. And it's just a one... a one man play with a couple of bit parts. Yeah. Um, and, uh, the sort of, the idea of like, um, This sort of old racist is like trying to like slowly just get him. He just wants to get away from other human beings and the life germs. Yeah. And then, uh,

But that he's like an asshole. Yeah. He's like the cherry on the top of the bad patriarchs through this whole... And then you get to see Tom Atkins get his with the voodoo doll. That was a nice little twist ending. But with this, like...

There's almost something like with that first, the dad and Father's Day being like, bring me my cake. Like, it's almost like George Romero feels like Hollywood is like a bunch of old guys who are like, just... bring me my cake what are you doing here you're fucking around bring me my cake bigoted asshole yeah and this too it felt like oh it's fun to see these like that's interesting bigoted corporate

assholes get theirs and I think to him too Hollywood's a bit of a nagging wife yes yes and a jealous cuckolded husband yes Hollywood's a lot of things um And I love the tech in this too. Like the tissue that like the whole, the little grinder or whatever that takes the tissues.

To get the time, you press a button and it just speaks it, which is more energy than it takes to look at a clock. Yeah, the voice that's telling you the pressure, the air pressure. And then, yeah, what a... showstopper ending there with the the body love like all the bugs go away you don't understand what's happening and bugs don't

I couldn't see bugs on screen and I don't get it. For some people, it drives them nuts. Yeah. Like if you didn't like bugs and bugs in movies, this scene would make you go. This and Temple of Doom. I think Temple of Doom is actually worse because I... It's easier for me to watch bugs coming out of a person because it's so fantastical than to watch them crawling up their neck in Temple of Doom, even if it's like a prosthetic with a bad wig. Yeah, I know. I love the...

fake Kate Capshaw like wig of the bug going up into the hair and stuff. We are going to die. And then, yeah, that end with the little twist with the voodoo doll. Yeah. Really fantastic. It's funny if he would have ordered the x-ray gogs and it ends with him just seeing his dad naked. He sees his dad's dick. And it freeze frames. That's the last shot of the movie. And it turns into the comic. Green, x-ray-hued. And it has a mustache.

That's where it went. His pubes. His pubes have been groomed into a mustache. Oh, my God. But then, yeah, getting to see that kid get his comeuppance, that's good. How about we... Rank this movie, read some Xenos, and then reveal our rankings of all the segments. Fantastic. All right, so just to recap, Body Bags, I gave it a 9, you gave it a 10. Cat's Eye, I gave it a 9, you gave it a 9.

Twilight, I gave it an 11. You gave it an 11.5. What are you going to give the original Creepshow? I'll give it a 9. Yeah, I'm going to... I'm going to do nine as well. Pretty high-ranking series of movies here. We usually have some that kind of drop around into the fibers or something. Now when I think back, I'm like, I don't know if A Cat's Eye is really a nine. I might drop it a little, but for now, that's fine.

Well, it's the amount of lives that cat has, for sure. It's appropriate. All right, let's read some Zenos. Fun. Okay. slide on over here yeah we're uh listeners we're moving over we're moving over to the desktop computer um oh we've got a few hey nice saving them up okay um Hi, this is Ian Fleming saying, I'd like to ask, are there rats in there? This goes out to Sean Lichtenstein. Beautiful.

Oh, God. Father Guido Sarducci is going to say Tony Ash's name, though. I always have to get into it with that line. I understand the two of them was a card trick. Tony Ash's, can I bum a cigarette? Oh, this is just giving from Danny Salem to Cody Miller from Paul and Matt. Oh, cool. Yeah. He's thanking him for a gift. So Danny Salim is giving a shout out to Cody Miller. It's nice when we get to do...

all the crazy things, but it's also nice to take a break and just be ourselves in these moments. Yeah, to be ourselves. Now I know how Charlie Chaplin felt. This is Laurie Ashmore Ruppel. giving a shout-out to her husband, Chance Ruppel. Oh, she's saying some kind things about the podcast that they listen to. Very nice. Oh, that's nice. Oh, yeah, the family that did Pistol Shrimps Radio cosplay. How nice. And her name is Lori Ashmore Ruppel. Thank you.

This is Adam Jones and would love to hear a shout out from 90s Extreme Radio talk show host Bradley and Terrence on Haddonfield Pirate Radio. Hey, man, we got a real whack pack listener here named Adam Jones. This is going to go go crazy. You're listening to the Fry Zone. Don't play with the runes. This is just Kevin Quillinen. Kevin Quillanin. How do I get a Baby Xenomorph shout out? Is it here through an email? Here it is. Here it is.

By the way, you can subscribe at the Baby Xenomorph level and hear your name. Yeah, and if you felt like we didn't say your name at some point, let us know. We'll make sure we do. Oh, this is interesting. Irvin Kirshner saying... Stephen Edwards is the most nefarious member of Pinhead's Court. And that wasn't your impression. Irvin Kirster, we brought him back so he could say that. Absolutely.

Oh, hello, Josh Capps. Your Honor, I'd just love to get a little shout out to his children, Jack, who's 15, Zan, who's 15. I hope they're twins or you guys are doing something right and wrong. Defending the little boy from the Joe Dante segment, huh? Twilight Zone, the movie. Absolutely. Don't let me forget Penny, who's 12. Oh, yes. And I'm defending that little boy, who all he ever did was take a mouth from his sister, who among us has not...

Taking a mouth from someone. Thank you, Josh Capps. Uh... Hello, Chad Kennedy. My name is Hachar Giger. I'd like to present you of one of my creations. I put you on a pedestal in a museum where there's a laser... that a lady has to dance through to get there in time. Gary Rayburn? Okay. Yeah. Hey, Gary Raybron. Thank you so much. Oh, look, Kevin Quillinan is back. He found out how to do it. After all, he wanted HR Giger. Okay. Hello, Kevin Quillinan.

Your name sounds like a movie I love to watch called The Quiller Memorandum. Could you change it to that just to do me a solid or a semi-solid or a viscous or a plasma? At HR, I gotta say that you're, um, I think you... Came pretty close to pronouncing the last name right, even before the pronunciation guide. Yes, I have a preternatural ability to pronounce things correctly. Have you ever done like a H.R. Geiger and H.R. joke?

I think we might have. Yeah, HR stands for Human Resources Giger. How can I help you? Oh, did someone say something inappropriate? Good, we'll promote them. You, however, have to be fired for not saying enough weird stuff. Oh, yeah, so he's twisted. It's like the Munsters, you see. Okay. Brian Nacastro. Oh, Southern lawyer to his wife, Lisa. Oh, hello, Lisa. Oh.

Hello, Lisa. Hello, Lisa. Many have called you. My poor little, little, little client, Brian. He just wants to give a shout-out to his wife. Who among us has not given a shout-out to a wife? That's true. Do not take her mouth. Two more. This is just a straight-up shout-out to Kelly Kellerina. What a sonorous name. Yeah.

They're asking for an update on season two of Keys to the Kingdom. Ooh, yes. Possibly one day, but nothing in the hopper right now. And a shout out to her cats, Doug and Karen. Yes. And finally... Oh, that's Kelly. Oh, that's the same one. Delivered a different way. Oh, we did it then. Yeah, and was Kelly, was that the Kelly who joined us on the live stream as well? Oh, must be. Well, thank you guys. Let me check out the live stream here too, just to see if...

before we give our final rankings. Yes. I like the freeze frame of Leslie Nielsen's face as well. Yes, okay. Thank you all for your great thoughts. Yes, Kelly Calerina. It was on the live stream as well. So welcome to all. Now, Matt, can we take one moment here for me to do my... Absolutely. So I'm just going to set down the mic here. Is that okay? Yeah, we can either cut or I'll just vamp. How much time do you think you need? Two minutes. Okay. I'll answer questions from the live streamers.

Guys, fire up your questions. Anything you got? I can tell you that on January 18th... Me and Mark McConville and Daniel Michikoff from Townland are going to be playing some songs and doing some little improv scenes at this wonderful tiny little theater in Altadena called Public Displays of Altadena.

Tickets will be going on sale sometime soon before Christmas, but there are very limited seats, so keep a lookout if you'd like to come. We're going to do some improv scenes, sing some songs, pedal steel, guitar, stand-up bass. some townland stuff, some originals, some covers. Jeff asks, what does the final window trim look like? Well, you can see some in the kitchen here I've been doing and the big door.

The lighting isn't great right now, but none of that's been stained or anything yet. This area back here behind my computer... will be a built-in floor-to-ceiling shelving unit with a secret bookcase door. That's the idea there. I'm a John Carpenter. I'm a Jesus carpenter. What other questions we got here?

Yes, as someone's saying, a spy series called Black Doves with Keira Knightley and Ben Woosh, I mentioned that. We watched that last night, and it was so far pretty good, I have to say. It's very different than the agency. In fact... I didn't think this would be the case, but I may be enjoying it more. It's a little more fun. The agency's real serious. That's why I love slow horses. It gets both.

That's also why I liked Nick Harkaway's new Smiley novel, because it's got a little bit more fun than the other ones typically have, I think. No Ed Harris comedies, according to Google. Wow. Get on it. Slow Horses has no peer right now, says Jeff. I would generally agree, yeah.

I think season three so far was my favorite of the four seasons that are out. I've read all the books. They're doing a new spin, kind of in the universe of Slow Horses with Emma Thompson called Cemetery Road, Down Cemetery Road. I'm really looking forward to that. I want to read that book. I might read that next. Matt, are you going to see the movie Queer with Daniel Craig? Well...

I doubt I'll get out to see it because that's just a rarity these days, but I'm sure I'll watch it at home with streaming. You know how streaming works. It looks interesting. I've heard mixed reviews about it. I'm excited for our next season. Let me remind ourselves of what we were considering. Paranoia type thriller intrigue thrillers. Possession. films was there anything else that we were considering or those like the down to those two that hmm I can't remember I

I would love... No, you've got to concentrate on it. It's 15 total, right? Of the segments? Is it 15? I thought I had 14. Am I missing one? Maybe it's 15. There's three... It is 15, yeah. Okay. Sorry, what was the two that you were talking about? Paranoid thriller? Paranoid intrigue thrillers or possession films. Was there anything else in contention?

I can't remember. Yeah, I'll have to look at my notes. Okay. But now I have my list done. Okay, well, let's get back to it. Okay. Thanks for spending a little time with me. Yeah, that was fun. Uh, so worst to first, we can blaze through these and talk about them if we need to. I bet you our 15th is probably the same. Uh, the Vic Morrow segment. Second to last for me is Kick the Can. Oh, okay. Mine's The Crate. Okay. Number 13 for me is The Crate.

Mine is the I one from Body Bags. Hey, Matt, we're on the same path here because number 12 for me is the I. Ah, number 12 for me is I Want Cake. Oh, Father's Day. Yeah, Father's Day. Okay. I've also named these what I remember them as. No, I know. Well, because my number 11 is The Troll.

which I don't think was the name. General, that's my number 11 too. Really? Yeah. Well, then number 10 is Father's Day or as I like to call it, give me my cake. I like that better. My number 10 is kick the can. Okay. So that might be our biggest disparity so far is our kick the can assessment. Yeah. Assessment. Right. So for me, I'm at number nine. What's your number nine? My number nine is the bugs one. Okay, mine is The Ledge.

Robert Hayes is walking on the ledge in Cat's Eye. Oh, okay, yeah. Number eight for me... Wait, I haven't done... Oh, sorry, sorry. My number eight... Oh, no, wait, my number nine? Yeah. No, sorry, go ahead. Your number eight, yeah. Oh, what's your number eight? Mine's, what's the gas station one in the beginning of Body Bags? I just called it auto mechanic. Okay, I called it gas station. I also couldn't remember what the hell happened in it.

She hears a killer's loose and then all these people show up and she suspects it could be them, it could be them, and then at the end it's the nerd. Revenge of the Nerds guy. That's right. He's more than that. I don't know why I call that. Strong start. Number eight for me is I'm Turning Into Grass. Meteor shit, you mean. Yeah. Yeah. Number seven for me is Beachheads. Number seven for me... Turning of the Tide. Yeah, is Smokers, Inc. Don't smoke, James Woods. Yeah.

Number six for me is The Ledge. Okay, number six for me is Hair Plugs. Oh, okay. Number five for me is Smokers, Inc. Mine is The Tide. Or beachheads. Okay. Number four for me is meteor shit. Number four for me is bugs. Okay. Number three for me is hair guy. Number three is the one that has been known alternately as gas station and auto mechanic. Oh, that's pretty high for you. Yeah, I really like that one. Number two for me is TV Kid.

Number two for me is TV Kid. And number one for me is Gremlin on the Wing. Number one for me is Gremlin on the Wing. How would you rank these whole movies? Okay, that's fun. My number four, I think, is Cat's Eye. Yes. My number three is Creepshow. Yes. Number two is Body Bags. Yeah. And number one is Twilight Zone. Yeah, probably by a pretty large margin. From worst to first for me is The Racist.

Kick the can. The crate. The eye. The troll. Father's Day. The ledge. Grassman. Smokers. Hair plugs. Tide. Bugs. auto mechanic, freaky kid, freak TV kid, and a gremlin on the plane. And mine's the crate, the eye, the cake, the general. The can. I have to jump around here. The bugs. The gas. The beach. The ledge. The smoke. It's like Seinfeld episodes. The meteor. The hair.

The TV Kid, or The Kid, and The Gremlin. Hey, all right. So if you took our first four or five to make an anthology movie out of those, that could be a pretty good anthology movie. Yeah, if you really could. So yeah, that would be... I mean, you'd have the two from Twilight Zone, the TV Kid and the Gremlin. And then what were our other really high ones? Other high ones were...

Well, for me, it's gas station, bugs, and beachheads. But those weren't in your top five, right? No, for me, it's hair, meteor. And Smokers, Inc. Okay. Hair and Smokers, Inc. were six and seven for me. So you could make a pretty good one out of Gremlin, TV Kid. Hair plugs and Smokers, Inc. Pretty solid. Yeah. And a good variety. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which wraparounds would you like to keep? Would it be John Carpenter's mortuary thing, Drew Barrymore, the comic creep show?

Or you got to go Dan Aykroyd. Yeah, Dan Aykroyd. Albert Brooks. I'd want the Aykroyd wraparound. Yeah. Which Donna Dixon, I heard, loves. Give me the Aykroyd wraparound, honey. Give me the... Oh, yeah, we found out the news. After 29 years of marriage, they separated, are still married. Still married, but separated. Yeah. Yeah. They want to keep together for the country, but live separately. That's right.

God love them. Yeah. Well, we'll be... When does this come out? This comes out... This Friday? Next... The 16th on... No, sorry, the 20th. This comes out on the 20th? The 20th on the Patreon. Okay. And then the 27th on not Patreon. Oh, so this is interesting. The... Bonus episode always comes out on the fourth Tuesday of every month. That'll come out the day before Christmas about Christmas movies. So you better listen to that that day if you want this to make sense.

It's like a cat that's wrapped in a gift. You want to open it up soon. Maybe I'll put it out. Doesn't have any breathing holes. On the 23rd, just to give him an extra day. Oh, sure. That's good. That's nice. And then we will announce then our new season. Although, unless you feel like you know, does one of those two grab you more than the other? Or is there a third option?

Let me look at the different options and we can have the fun. Let's not rush into this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we'll have that announcement then. Cool. Okay. All right. Well... For the subscribers on Patreon, we'll see you on the 23rd. Yeah, see you then. For everybody else.

I hope you had a Merry Christmas because this will have come out on the 27th. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah. And have a happy new year. And we'll see you guys in January when we come back. That's right. All right. Bye. Bye-bye, y'all. For more Gourley and Rust content, head over to patreon.com slash with Gourley and Rust to get episodes ad-free and a whole week early. Plus, monthly mailbag episodes and feature-length watch-along film commentaries of your favorite horror classics. That's Patreon.

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