CAT'S EYE

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Lana Del Rey, live in concert. UK and Ireland Tour 2025. See Lana Del Rey in Cardiff, Glasgow, Liverpool, Dublin, and London. Tickets are on sale now at livenation.com. For more, visit LanaDelRay.com Disgust Cause nothing's more Relaxing Than the cries of death And lust Suspended Ten. Welcome to the second in our anthology of anthologies, Cat's Eye from 1985. This is with Gorley and Rust. I'm Matt Gorley. This is Paul Rust. with Gourley and Rust.

Yes. And this is, I should say, Matt Gorliev with Gorlie and Rust. Yeah. You know, I want to make sure people don't think like we're just substitutes for other guys named Gorlie and Rust. Or the law firms of Gorlie, Rust, Dewey, Cheatham, and Howe. That's not us. We're above board podcasters, not ambulance chasing reprobates. Is there any notable figures with the last name Gourley? Yes.

John Gorley from the band Portugal the Man. Any relation? Not that we know of, though. We've never really dug into it. So it's probably possible. And he and I have become friends since. And I can genuinely say, too, that I'm a huge fan of the music.

they make. I'm so relieved to be able to say that, but they're such a good band. So if you wind up at a Gourley family reunion and you're talking to the other family members, you're not lying if you go, hey, I love this guy's music. Yeah, but I would be hard pressed to find another Gourley. who has their finger on the pulse of the coolness of Portugal, the man. That's not the gorely way. Yeah, I had only heard of one other Rust once. There was like the...

50 Most Beautiful People magazine. And it was you. Yeah, I was on the cover. No, there was a... a model by the name of, I think, Maria Rust. Oh. Yeah. Wow. And when I saw the last name, I was like, holy cripes. So we have other namesakes that are in way cooler professions than we are.

That's right. So we should actually have them substitute or just take the podcast over. We're their subs. So like you get a musician and a model together talking about horror movies. And then I get to join their band and you get to be a runway model. More like runaway model. That's what the people in the audience do when I come out wearing them. Have you noticed some of these fashions on the catwalks of Milan are just wild. I don't even think you can.

wear them on the street, buy them in a shop. And theirs is going to be, I go out there and the concert, it's Greek theater. A one, a two, a one, two, three, four. Well, what we're going to do is we're going to start by talking about Silent Night, Deadly Night. With a long open tab tangent. Now, sit back in your seats.

And just allow me to go off on a stuntman named Bob Rochelle for a while. Well, I said catwalk, so that could easily dovetail into the movie we're discussing. Well, segwayed, my friend. Cat's Walk is the name of the movie. No, Cat's Eye. Cat's Eye. Kitty Cat Eye. I'd never seen it. Have you ever seen it? You know what? I had seen, I think, segment one and two. That's right. All together.

On cable TV, at some point I could, you know, if it was like Frankenstein, I could stitch together different parts that I saw. But I'd say a large portion of segment. Three, I had never seen. And so I was like, holy crow. I exclaimed that out loud by myself. I like that. Holy crow.

I really like that. Yeah, I'd never seen it either, and I enjoyed it. Me too. What a fun movie. Yeah, it's kind of cozy in that it's kind of straight down the middle. Nothing's going to scare you, shock you, or make you laugh too hard. No, that's true. It's not. The jump scares weren't particularly jump scary. No. The comedy was never like fully laugh out loud, but it was pleasant. You know what I like about the humor in it? It was all like good natured. Yes, that's true. Like, just... Like...

Like an old friend. Yeah. And some fine familiar B movie level faces. Yeah. I think also what made it cozy. I'll, I'll, I hear you on the cozy and I'll respond to that. I think it's also like the. as Brantley Palmer pointed out in the notes, a lot of in-camera effects.

Old-fashioned Hollywood wizardry. Yeah, done, I believe, because Dino De Laurentiis came along after production had started saying, need to take a million away from your budget. Sorry. We got to take a million lira out of the budget. U.S. a dollar is only about $10. So you okay? Just no lunch today? Your Dino gets dangerously close to Sarducci. I understand the two of them. in the anthology was a cat tricks. If you combine Dino De Laurentiis and Frank Oz, it becomes Sarducci. Yes.

My name is Frank Hiles. I'm Father Guido Sarducci. And I'm Dino De Laurentiis. There is no try. Oh, it's Grover. The point Dino Sarducci Oz is his name. But yes, the point being, this is our second of our anthology. So this would be the equivalent of. The hair transplant segment of body bags. That's right. Second segment. And I'd say about on par with that. Yes. Yes. In overall quality. Yeah. And also the.

the bet segment of Cat's Eye. Yes. Now it'd be best if they had been anthologies that were four parts because then it would more line up with the other two that were because we're doing four total. Twilight Zone's... Twilight Zone, the movie is four. And Creepshow's four, right? Yes. So we're really stepping it up. Creepshow might actually be five. Get out of here. I'm not for sure. Get the fuck out of here, Axel Foley.

No, I'm serious. I cannot. That reminds me of, obviously, Beverly Hills Cop. But Jonathan Banks. He's in the year 1984. He got to be in Gremlins and Beverly Hills Cop. So is he in Beverly Hills Cop? Oh, the Mike Trout. Yeah. Troutman, Trout, Mike Trout from Breaking Bad. Breaking Bad, yeah. He's the criminal. He's cuz. Yeah, in Beverly Hills Cop.

But then he's a cop in Gremlin. So he got to play both sides of the coin in the year 1984. Now, Matt, I don't even think you know this because I did this right before I left the house this morning. What? I share that tidbit in a commentary for...

gremlins that I put up this morning. You did? I didn't know that. What a surprise I gave you right now. Oh my God. You guys, there's a, so it's already up. Yeah. Oh my God. A solo commentary from Paul from gremlins where you're probably, well, first of all,

The streamers will know that fun fact. That's true. But the listeners by then might have already heard it via the commentary. That's true. All this wealth of information about Jonathan Banks. Yeah. The whole movie, I assume you just did Jonathan Banks facts. Yeah, it's a vault. I call it the Banks Vault. And it's all information about Jonathan Banks. Oh, how nice. Did you do that this morning? I did it on Tuesday morning.

Very nice. Or maybe Wednesday morning. Okay. I say that because it was so scary. I was stammering to Tuesday, Wednesday. Did, but that's on, I guess we should, it's on our patreon.com. That's right. backslash with Gourley and Russ, where there's solo commentaries, commentaries we do. The Cozy Awards are coming up. Coming up this month. That's right. Fourth Tuesday of the month. Fourth Tuesday of the month. We got Umar, Dustin, Brantley.

The boys. Awesome. It was a fun round of Co's. Yeah. And then what? Probably. Mailbags. Mailbag episodes. And then just hundreds and hundreds of hours of. Truly. Of us talking. I know. Seasons you cannot get. From outside the paywall in the wildlands, you've got to come into the realm here and you get Halloween, Friday the 13th, Nightmare, Aliens, all those series, the big ones, the big four. And the water's fine.

It is. Hop right in. If you subscribe at the Baby Xenomorph level, you can not only watch live streaming recordings, which is happening right now as we speak. Yeah, that's right. You can get your name shout out on the podcast. Just email us. after subscribing to with Gourley and Rust pod. Is that right? Or no, it's just with Gourley and Rust at gmail.com. And then we will probably read those in the last episode of this series. Beautiful.

And yeah, right now, like you said, we're on the live stream. And I mean, excuse me, I just did a little burp, but that's because I'm enjoying this. What is this coffee you made me? You're drinking. An oat milk latte. It is really good. I'm glad to really like you. Yeah. It's only going to get cozier here at the safe house. You know, as time goes on, things are starting to come together. You can see there's.

A bit of wood on the wall, but it's coming in pieces. Yeah, more wood is more good. Yeah. As I've often said. I will leave everyone else to say that's what she said to that and not. I know I said that, but only in reference to you being allowed to say it. I didn't say it, say it. Yeah, you know, sometimes I hear that now.

attributed to Steve Carell in The Office. And I'm like, Wayne's World, baby. What's this Wayne's World erasure? And before that even, it was just a cultural thing. Yeah, in the parlance. Like a Hertz donut. or something, you know, or, you know, chicken butt and fried in grease, want a piece, all that. Okay. I know chicken butt, but what was that last one? Grease a piece? I guess you just go, guess what? What? Chicken butt. Fried and grease. Want a piece? It's just a way to elevate it.

I don't know. And elevated, you did. Oh boy, didn't I? I've heard of elevated horror, but elevated playground. Come to me for that. Great green globs of greasy, grimy go for guts. No, what I would. do uh uh with my dad and i it was uh up high down low in the hole no on the side in the hole down low too slow oh i didn't have that middle part i've been playing that with glenn

Yeah, it's fun. Yeah, she loves it, but then she wants to beat me up. Oh, with Too Slow? Yeah. Yeah. She'll go like, no, no, let me do it. That's good. That's good. She's got the eye of the tiger. She does. She's got the eye, the heart, the soul, the lungs of a tiger. The stripes. The stripes. She's a tiger. Well, she is actually. The school she goes to, her classroom is called the Tiger Room. That's cool. I know. The room my daughter goes to, it's very un-Tiger-like. Really?

sea otter. Oh, the cutest of all. Yes, that's true. That's true. We cannot let our kids play together. My daughter will eat you. No, but you know what? I think at the Los Angeles zoo, the tigers and the sea otters are pretty darn close. They've got a strange bedfellows thing going on. Have you been to the Los Angeles Zoo? Many times, yeah. That merry-go-round is... funded and bankrolled by a Bond writer. Tom Mankiewicz? Tom Mankiewicz? Yeah. You're kidding. And who also wrote Superman 2? Uh-huh.

Really? Yeah. Tom Mankiewicz supplied the money for the merry-go-round there. I love that guy. I've seen him speak live. You have? He's since passed. He seems really, I mean, he's a Mankiewicz. He's a Mankiewicz, that's right. He's got a silver tongue, right? Yeah, and a great writer. But he's just got that thing that I remember in a lot of my dad's friends of just the most hoarse.

cigarette voice you can imagine yes and just like freckled and and in a baggy sweater and just telling he all the bond special features he just loves to tell anecdotes He wrote all the campy Roger Moore Bonds and I love him for it. Yeah. I really like it. He got the job essentially for Superman probably because of his James Bond work. Yeah, probably. Because you watch the Superman movies and you're like, these would not.

be these types of movies if not for Bond before it. That's true, yeah. Especially part two. Yes. In tone and then also in sort of production that they're kind of like... multinational, European funded. All of them have the character actor Shane Rimmer in there multiple times. It's true. But I love, yeah. Tommy, like somebody who tells anecdotes and has a wit is like really good. His one directorial effort is Dragnet. Oh, really? Which there's a scene.

that takes place at the Los Angeles city zoo. And then that's how this all came about. Yeah. I've wondered that too. It's like, what's the, is it a chicken or egg thing? Could he film at the zoo because he was giving money for this merry-go-round? Did he pay for the whole merry-go-round? I think it's called the Tom Mankiewicz merry-go-round. Jesus.

And that, I mean, his movies were goddamn merry-go-round if you think about it. That's true. He seems like someone I would have really liked to have known because he was not... famous walking down the street famous, but had his hands in so many of the most wonderful pies and also seems like someone, and I don't mean this in a bad way, that loved to hold court and tell stories. So if someone of a younger generation, first, he seems like the type that'd be like, wait, you know.

know who I am, sit down. And I would just love to go to a dinner with him. And I bet he would just regal us with all kinds of stories of fun times on the set of Superman and live and let die. Don't you think the holding core anecdote share is of a previous generation? Yeah. I mean, I guess on the Conan podcast, you probably have celebrities who come in and...

Who are modern and can share a good anecdote. I will say this, even off mic, likes to just have people gather around and tell stories for sure. He would say the same thing. And I like those stories, especially when you get them live in person. Not necessarily at a Q&A, but just like a face-to-face in the post-internet age when they might not tell the story on a podcast.

or even at a live Q&A because somebody, some trickster might be recording it and then they can't tell tales out of school. But if you were getting... anecdotes from people that were kind of like too hot for TV. That'd be good too. We do. And just did the other day too. I don't feel at liberty to pass them on. But you can off mic.

That's how they work. So, Hey, I'll tell you what I'll tell you, Paul. And if I ever run into any of you guys listeners in public, sure. Remind me, I'll tell you, you know, who was a, um, I would just say it was about the movie. Batman and Robin. Holy cow. Yeah. Now I, ooh, I said, holy cow, like Robin. but there's no cow. Holy gossip, Batman. Yeah. Holy gossip, Batman. Holy Chris O'Donnell, Batman. Uh, the, the thing when you said, um, wanting Tom.

Mankiewicz, he's passed away, but if he was still around. I had this experience when I was watching Cat's Eye during the second segment. The guy who played Kressner. Kenneth McMillan. Baron Harkonnen from Dune. Yes. Yeah. I was like, this guy is an amazing actor. Yeah, he's great. I was watching the segment. I was like, he's making this segment. Just what a great actor is, making choices that feel real, but feel alive and unusual. Yeah.

Like they feel like they could happen, but you just, they're kind of like exciting choices. And I was looking at his filmography. just to be like, what else have I seen him in? And I was seeing him like, oh yeah, he's like the boss in Armed and Dangerous. I liked him in that. He's good. I saw he passed away in 1989. Oh, wow. Yeah, and I was like... Must have been young. Yeah, he was. My first thought was like...

Man, I wish he could have stuck around a little longer. Yeah. Because I think he would have been great in like some 90s action movies or some like John Grisham adaptations. Yeah, a bureaucrat. Yes. I can even see him as like... A second level bureaucrat villain in a later like Indiana Jones movie. Yes, yes, yes. Or one of the people who works at the airport in Die Hard 2. Yeah. John McClane.

Oh, I mean, Franzi can't be topped in that. I'm here at Thulles International Airport eating deep dish pizza. And rooting for the socks. The cubbies. The cubbies, right. Look, I don't know my sports. Whatever. Yeah, during Die Hard 2, what sports could you have been watching? I guess it would have been a Bulls game around in December. That's what the NBA is. Two guys who don't watch sports. Isn't this crazy, though? You know what I'm doing tonight? What?

I'm watching the fight. Oh, like the... The big gross fight. The... Aaron Paul? Yeah, Aaron Paul from Breaking Bad is fighting Bryan Cranston. He's fighting Jon Hamm from Mad Men. The battle of the prestige TV. I know why you say Aaron Paul, though, because it's... Jake Paul and Logan Paul, but Aaron Carter and his brother Carter were also troubled social media people until I believe one of the Carters passed away. But it's Jake Paul and Mike Tyson too.

I believe total, total reprobates. Why am I watching this? I don't know, but I am. Are you going to a party? You got like plans? I'm just having a couple of friends over. That's awesome. I've never in my life ever once done a. Guys fight night. I don't think I've ever seen a boxing match. Yeah. I've never tuned into like when we were younger, it was like pay pay-per-view or HBO.

Tune in for the prize fight. I don't even like it. What am I doing? It'll be a good reason to have some drinks with friends and be rowdy and silly. We will watch a shitty movie afterwards for sure. That's what normally happens. I think also part of the thrill of watching something live on Netflix. As God intended. But that is still kind of an exclusive event. Yeah, I suppose. I can't justify it, but I didn't feel the need to confess it. I found out about that.

match because I was in the car with my daughter and she pointed up she said that's your name and then I looked up and it was Paul. And you're late for this fight. Yeah. I'm fighting a Tyson chicken, a frozen Tyson chicken dinner. Well, my money's on you. We'll see who wins. I always thought that the funniest jobs that I've imagined would be funny to see me in is...

a prize fighter. So I got like big baggy boxing shorts and my boxing gloves are like bigger than my head. So I'm just kind of like, I can come out to the thing and you know, with like, funny music or something and then the other thing is you know um they're on adult uh film sites but also it's a thing that I think exists in the world which is like those like hen party things where like a bachelorette party where a guy comes out and he

dances and stuff I've also thought that would be funny if I the curtains parted I walk out dressed as a prize fighter that's my that's my signature that's my trademark But I mean, I really only know that from that sequence in Mr. Mom when they go to what's it called? The Chippendales show. I don't even think.

Chippendales don't even exist anymore, right? Like... not a group of wild women can't go out there's like kansas city down thunder from down under in vegas you can go to vegas and i think vegas now their big thing is magic mike live Oh, of course. My wife, Amanda, went to that for her bachelor. Okay, yes. Magic Mike is the Chippendales now of its time. Yeah, that's right.

And it's called, they got the rights, huh? It is Magic Mike. It's not like. I believe it is. Yeah. Magical Mark. Mystical. Mystical Mark. Mystical Mick. Mystic Mick. But yeah. Oh, so that actor gone too soon. It would have been cool to see him. I know. Interesting cast in this. Robert Hayes, it was really weird for me to see him do something serious. He's good. Yes. It's weird in a movie that has comic moments to have Robert Hayes in it and really have...

Zero comic moments. No, and when he was kissing his paramour goodbye, it felt because they're at a bus terminal. Exactly. It just feels, it looks and feels like airplane. I wrote that in my notes. I was like, Robert Hayes at a... Bus station? With a woman he loves. It should just be called Greyhound to do another movie. Please. I also thought there's a part near the end after he gets the...

the bad guy on the ledge at the end of the second segment, when he's yelling at him, he's like, now listen here, Gressner, you're going to walk around here. The timber of his voice sounded like. It's a damn good thing he doesn't know how much I hate his guts. It's a damn good thing you don't know how much he hates his guts. It's a damn good thing you don't know how much he hates your guts. But yeah, Robert Hayes was an interesting actor in it. And then you got James Woods.

Yeah, just a little bit on Robert Hayes. I just feel like he deserves and has deserved a second chance. He's a good actor. Clearly, Airplane did his career in. And it just seems like a good time to revive him in a movie, put him in a movie in a supporting role. You know, throw that guy. He deserves it. I agree. James Woods, not so much. Yeah. James Woods is a different story. I mean.

Uh, he's the reverse of, you know, we were talking, I think on body bags, like, is there an actor who is like radioactive for you? Not even because of like background. stories or something just like oh they're unappealing you don't like to see them on screen james woods is somebody who like i dig any performance he does and i know he's to use your word a reprobate yeah um But I think James Woods is like one of our finest actors for real. And he, he has.

I'm not saying anything new. He has an intelligence. Like his characters, there's something on screen that like reads as like, he's bright. which for a lot of leading men, that's not necessarily the case. So like him and Michael Douglas both have the thing of like, you can see there in their eyes. the little schemes they're coming up with and stuff. And then I liked seeing him in something that was like a little zany, but he was playing it straight.

And seeing him in a thriller, I guess he's in Videodrome, but to see him in something where he's like in a horror type of thing, that was cool. I love him in Casino. Oh, yeah. And that's like... the most amazing casting because that's before a lot of his sketchy stuff had come out right you still feel like this He feels at home here. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's also really good in The Hard Way. Oh, I've never seen that. With Michael J. Fox. Yeah. A thing that could easily be like stock. Yeah.

Oh, he's really good in that episode of The Simpsons too, where he works at the Quickie Mart. I haven't seen that. He's going to do a movie where he plays like a Quickie Mart employee. So he takes Apu's job. to learn and kind of like the reverse hard way. Yeah. Um, but, uh, and then who, Oh, Drew Barrymore is an actor in this as well. Um, Alan King. Yes.

who sounds to me just like Luca Brazzi from The Godfather. I didn't realize. I sometimes get Alan King and George Seagal mixed up, but. Hell, he's just got that shorter. It's very New York Bronx kind of thing, but also you just got this weird kind of pronunciation. Yeah. A tinge of Gary Marshall. Yeah. To like the.

Yeah, Alan King's interesting because he's somebody who I really like in dramatic roles. Nobody phones it in in this movie. Yeah. Which I'm always expecting for these anthology movies. Yeah. But he, as a comedian, I don't think he's funny at all. I don't either. Him and Robert Klein, they have a kind of rage, inner rage that I feel like I'm reading from them that puts me off a little bit. Yeah.

Yes, I know what you mean. It's funny, I heard Alan King's name on the drive over here in an interview. Somebody... referenced him as not funny. So I was like, hey, I was just feeling this last night when I was watching Alan King. Who did that? Well, you know, in these post-election blues, just feeling... sort of sad or lost by that. I'm not listening to things that are going to make me more sad or more lost. I'm listening to stuff that makes me happy.

found i guess is the opposite of lost yeah um so it's been non-stop round the clock uh norm mcdonald on youtube oh that's nice it's great and uh Most of it, I think all of it I'm familiar with. It's stuff I've listened to before, but it's just been nice. But he did an interview where he was talking about for his book, and he said, jokes in comedians' acts became more observational, starting with Alan King. And he went like...

my neighbor's got crabgrass was his version of like Alan King's observation. And then he went, I don't think Alan King's very funny. I don't like him, but, but yeah, but Alan King is like the head of. Quitters Inc. I do love. Yeah. All right. Let's get into this. So, well, first we got the little intro where we get a glimpse of Cujo played by the...

One of the actual dogs that played Cujo. Yes, and directed again by Louis Teague. And we got Christine. So we're getting some real Stephen King nods, especially of the time. Yeah, this feels almost like a... That's like a dead zone. Yeah, he's watching dead zone. And then Drew Barrymore was just in Firestarter. So I was hoping that there was going to be like a...

Gary Busey zooping by on a motorcycle wheelchair or something. Because I think they were all like sort of Dito De Laurentiis. They must have been, yeah, because you weren't going to see anything from The Shining. Right, right, right. But I loved seeing... I'd never seen the beginning of this movie. So when Cujo popped up looking like a...

it was like a knockoff Cujo. It was Cujo and he was styled and he's chasing around the cat. I did think it was funny. It was like, well, he's not chasing around the cat because he's Cujoed out. any dog would chase out your cat. It wasn't like, so when he was like chasing the cat and trying to get at it, I'm like, well, any dog would do this. But then the dog almost gets hit by Christine. Yeah.

And I thought that bumper sticker was really curious. What did it say again? It was very like spoon feed-y. It was like, I am Christine. The bumper sticker said, I am Christine on it. It didn't quite trust its audience. Yeah. This was in a time before Easter eggs. They had to be overt references as opposed to...

Oh, those that get it will get it. Those that don't, no big deal. They had to make sure everybody got it. Well, and I'm not just saying this because my brain's in Gremlins Joe Dante land, but I thought before Lewis Teague kind of has... Well, they're contemporaries. They're friends, Joe Dante and Louis Teague. Joe Dante was the one who said with Cujo, realism is your enemy. Like, don't make the dog seem too real or people are going to get...

bummed out seeing like a dog be messed with. Well, I felt like that with this cat. Well, and then the cat, yeah, he brought the same thing. That's like why they added music and were making it. But I thought... There was a part when the kitty was having the car zoom by. Yeah.

And I saw real fear. Oh, especially when they do the car accident and the cat has to run by in front of them. Yeah. Did you think it was funny, though, that the guy who was trying to get the cat across the street said, don't worry about the cars. They're special effects. Yeah. Which seemed like a, yeah.

Yeah, which to the audience because they weren't special. I know. And then the sparking floor, I know they did that with an air hose, but still there was still sparks. There's still sparks there. Yeah. So, and the cat is still feeling agitated. by air pumping up, which probably isn't... Cat probably would prefer to be on a couch instead. I do love the name General for a cat, though. It is really good, huh? And did that just come about because...

they just decided, hey, your name's General, right? I don't know. What if I'd be curious? I didn't even think I saw them name the cat. It was just like they started naming him General. But Louis Teague and Joe Dante. Both came out of New World Pictures, Roger Corman's thing, cut their teeth at. They both have scripts. that were written by john sales so when joe dante was shooting the howling um

Louis Teague was making Alligator. And Alligator's really, really good. I've never seen that. And Joe Dante tells a story about John Sayles was writing the scripts for...

alligator and the howling at the same time. And they would come to his hotel room and be like, hey, we need the pages for howling. And he'd go, got it, got it, got it. And they would hear him pull the paper for alligator out of his typewriter and then put in which is my dream like if you could be john sales and be like writing two fun monster scripts and people are coming to you being like we love your writing keep writing um but joe dante claims he thinks

There's a scene in The Howling that should have been an alligator scene and vice versa. Oh, funny. But he also wrote The Lady in Red, which Lewis Teague directed, about John Dellinger. And... Quentin Tarantino says, The Lady in Red is one of the best written scripts ever written. And... In the Once Upon a Time in Hollywood novelization that I read, there's an alternate Tarantino history that happens in that book, where in 1999, he directed...

a remake based on Lady in Red, John Seale's Lady in Red script. Oh, interesting. But Lewis Teague, he's like Joe Dante, a movie lover who's got some real craft and technical skill. but some sort of like good natured making, we're making fun movies. And then even like the little, yeah, like in jokes and movie references of like.

This felt like it could be a Joe Dante movie, especially the last segment for sure. Yeah, I mean, Frank Welker is doing the voice of the troll and he's doing some straight up gremlin sounds there. But he also did the voice of the gopher. In the Caddyshack. Wow, what a run for this guy in the early 80s. And he does Lilo from Lilo or Stitch from Lilo and Stitch. So when Drew Barrymore is like...

With that troll, it seems like a precursor to Lilo and Stitch or something. How funny. But yes, that first segment... Oh, I also thought it was funny that we got the true MGM logo at the start of this one, not the John Carpenter logo. It's too bad we didn't watch one before the other because when John Carpenter, I did it, I was like, what the hell is this referencing? And then when I saw the lion, I was like, oh, I get it now.

And I also noticed that Stephen King, it's not in the posters or something, but in the credits, he gets a possessory. It's like Stephen King's cat's eye. Oh. It was in the credits, but it's like two possessive Stephen King's cat's eye. So this movie was made by Stephen. King's cat. Yeah. And then it's just called I, the movie's just called I.

And wasn't that the name of the Mark Hamill segment? Was it just called Eye in Body Banks? It might be, yeah. So this is that cat's version of the Mark Hamill. And Stephen King's cat went on to make other great films. Stephen King's Cats, National Treasure. Stephen King's Cats, Pirates of the Caribbean. Well, and I think Andrew Lloyd Webber. Stole credit, but I think it was originally Stephen King's Cats Cats.

Yeah, so what did you think of that first segment? It was fun. I think I wrote a couple notes here just about, you know, when you first see Drew Barrymore in this story, I was like, oh dear. Because she's supposed to be developmentally challenged, I believe. Is that what was going on? Because she's at a special school. And I'm looking at my early 80s signifiers and putting her in those thick glasses.

Bang's haircut just feels a little bit like... Yeah, her speech was like... Yeah. Dicey choice. Dicey choice. You know, it's also a dicey choice when you bring your daughter, a Cabbage Patch Kid, to school. and you take it out of the goddamn box. When he gave it to her, he was like, close your eyes. And he opened up the box and took the doll out of the box.

Parenting? No, no. Let that kid open the box. Well, I don't think you were supposed to see the front of the box, but you do for it. And you see that the things just loosen the box too. So that might have been it. It feels like he was one of those parents that during the big cabbage patch, Rush had to buy one. in an alley somewhere. Like the mom and child's play. Yes, exactly. Maybe that Cabbage Patch doll has the soul of Charles Lee Ray. I love the every breath you take.

needle drop, especially because they didn't want to pay for the actual song, just the publishing. So they'd re-recorded it in a really kind of crappy version, which shows up later, which is amazing. Yeah. I love the every breath you take runner. Yes. And I also noticed a... But I'm just realizing it's the cat stealing the breath. Yes. I mean, I looked on IMDb in the trivia and some... Maniac broke down all the lyrics for every breath you take and showed how they apply to each.

Each verse applies to a plot point in Cat's Eye. As if Sting actually wrote it for this film. Yes. Sting's Cats. Well, the end credits has a theme song called Cat's Eye. Yeah. That theme song music is pretty great. He'll take your breath away or something like that. I also noticed a lame, we got the publishing rights, but not the actual with the...

twist and shout that played when the cat was there. I was like, this ain't no Beatles. No, there's a lot of that. You know what's weird? I think back to school and Ferris Bueller's day off came out with like in a week of each other. One year later in 1986 from this movie. And they both have like twist and shout sequences. And are they the real deal ones? Because Beatles is, right?

Yeah, the Ferris Bueller one, he's singing The Beatles. And in Back to School, Rodney Dangerfield gets up in front of a crowd and sings Twisted Shout. The real one. He does the real one, the way it was meant to be. Yes, he was actually the original singer of Twist and Shout and the Beatles were covering Rodney Dangerfield. That's why at the end of the Beatles, when you hear John Lennon go. I get no respect. Hey, okay? Hey. We're bigger than Jesus. Yeah, and that...

Beginning with Drew Barrymore, the beginning of that segment was curious. The mannequin thing? Yeah. It's pretty freaky. Not because Drew Barrymore superimposes over it, but just the mannequin itself is some kind of weird pasty-faced paper mache mannequin. Yeah, when a mannequin is already freaky and then when it becomes alive, I don't like that at all. Yeah. I mean, the movie Mannequin taught us this. Yes, taught us a lot.

And this might have been too kiddy for you, but did you ever see today's special? No, I don't even know what that is. It's like a Canadian children's program that was on Nickelodeon. And it was about the, I mean, it's very cozy. It takes place during the night hours of a department store when everything's closed down. And a woman. And a security guard are in charge of the thing. And at night, Jeff, the mannequin, when you put a hat on him, he comes alive, comes alive. So it's like, hocus pocus.

I guess. And he would like dance to it. And then there was a mouse that was in the department store who was a puppet, like the security guard. And she spoke entirely in rhyme. Oh, wow. What's it called? Today's special. I'll have to check that out. Like cat's eye, but today, I guess it was, today was finally doing its version of special. Yes. But. I know in the notes, Brantley said that there was an opening of the movie that they cut because...

Dino De Laurentiis' company was like, it's too silly. That explained the cat runner through all this. And so there were a couple moments that felt like they were... would you say vestigial, like leftover, like, like the mannequin thing. It was like, what's going on here? The TV in the store. Yeah. Of her being like, you need to help. me or something I was like what is it a real dangling thread for this movie yeah and then at the very end the cat like kisses her

It seems to be like a happy ending. It was like, was this the resolution of this thing that wasn't set up? I have a question about it because obviously it's coming up and you're like, oh no, is the cat going to steal her breath? Right. And she wakes up. But was the cat going to steal her breath or was it just a friendly cat and kisses her? Because my cat certainly does that to me in the middle of the night. It will come up, put its face in my face. Yeah.

I couldn't tell what this movie was trying to either say or fake you out on. It was confusing how the dad saying a cat takes your breath and then just by chance the cat is... protecting the girl from a troll who wants to steal her breath. Well, I get the feeling that trolls have been stealing the breath. all through the ages and people blame it on cats. That's good. Yes. Yes. Right. Right. Right. I'm a real big cat defender anyway. So it's about time this got out. Let's uncat this.

unpack this I know you are just a fan of the felines I do love cats yeah what was your experience getting to watch you know dogs are a dime a dozen in movies you see them acting all the time but to get to see some Really good cat performance this year. I mean, yeah, I think it's a number of different cats, but real good work. Real good cat acting. I don't know what else I can add. I mean, when it's playing in the yard in the third segment.

I was like, I could watch a whole movie of a cat just like doing his thing in the grass. Yeah. What is really funny is the final showdown between the troll and the cat, because when you think about it, there's just two things. fighting that are never meeting like a cat's just swatting at a toy rat off screen while a little person in a

troll costume in a giant bedroom set is kind of dancing around the moves and they just probably never met each other. It just becomes absurd when you think about it. I thought it was really absurd too. I was watching, I was like... So this movie is culminating in a guy in a troll costume and a train cat doing battle. Yes. It was like pretty weird. It was really weird. I mean, the movie is weird, but like that was.

Pretty bonkers. Hell of a showdown. And then, yeah, you mentioned the large, the enlarged set. Yeah, it was incredible. That bed won the Guinness Book of World Records for biggest bed. Yeah. It's amazing when you see it, like when the troll is running along the floor.

Usually when you do things like that, you still see things that can't scale up well, but like the hardwood floor still looked like the right size planks and had weathering and it looked really good. It looked awesome. And they weren't doing the... what's the trick the like gandalf trick where oh forced perspective yeah it's not that it's that the bed is actually big and the and the lampshade that the or the birdcage that the troll is going up is actually yeah big the only time

It was optical effect would have been like when he goes up to Drew Barrymore in bed or when he and the cat are in the same shot. Right. But otherwise it looked pretty impressive. Yeah. Especially on this budget. Yes, I agree. I mean, overall, I loved all the effects of the movie. When I saw that birdcage, it reminded me of your observation that in movies, every attic has a birdcage.

So when it fell over, I was like, I bet they put that birdcage up in the attic. And finally, a house was a home. Yeah. You can't get your like. What's that? Do you get any sort of certificate if you own a home? Well, you get a deed. A deed? Yeah. You don't get a deed for your home unless you have like a rusty old birdcage over the attic that's like bent with an open door. Or you get a deed where it's like birdcage pending.

somebody comes in and throws you and your family out you're like what what's the meaning of this is like well You never got your birdcage. We served you eight notices and you're a birdcage delinquent. And the family understands. They're like, yep, you're right. You got us dead to rights. We were wrong. Honey, get the car. We're driving. We're going to...

Sleep under an overpass tonight because we've messed up our bird stage. Until the pet store opens tomorrow at 9 a.m. Then we'll get two lovebirds with a... Not tippy-hedred. Yes? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. More like tweety-hedred. Tweety. At the end of that movie, why didn't I use that for the birds episode? Would have cracked up Andy Daly pretty good, I think. I now text Andy just.

Tweety, Hedren, just those two words. Or just didn't want you to think I would have not said this at some point. Andy Reid's like, Paul is the most clever man. And polite. Carlo Rimbaldi also did the effects for these movies. And he did E.T. Yeah. So we get a nice little E.T. Carlo Rombardi, Drew Barrymore. Oh, that's right. And when.

The notes said that, sorry, I'm jumping to the third segment, but when the notes said that Dino De Laurentiis liked Drew Barrymore and Firestarter, so he asked Stephen King, can you write a segment that would star Drew Barrymore? It did seem like somewhere in Stephen King's brain, he did some kind of like E.T. story. Like Drew Barrymore, seeing her interact with like this little creature that lives in your suburban home, but it's like.

a nasty version of ET. It's funny too how Drew Barrymore was a thing because of ET and then Firestarter, but that she's featured on the marketing for this. And I think it also, her story that she's, you know, of the Barrymore family. Right. Daughter of, I forget who, but. John. Or no, no. Granddaughter of John Barrymore and Lionel and Ethel. Yeah.

I think your dad was an actor who was not necessarily prolific. Yeah, I forget, but pretty incredible. Yeah. I mean, when I was a kid and I'd see her in the poster for Firestarter, I wanted to... watch it purely because she was the girl in E.T. She kind of, my daughter kind of reminds me of young Drew Barrymore, actually. Yeah, how so? She's just kind of got...

little face like that and hair. She's got similar hair to her in Firestarter and she's a bit of a Firestarter. She's also really big into Prodigy. I am a firestorm. And she's got that haircut. The Alan Silvestri score in this, I think it's his last... synth score, because this came out, as we were discussing off mic, on my birthday, April 12th, 1985. For your birthday. It came out for your birthday. On my fourth birthday, it was for my birthday. But then...

Three months later, two months later, three months later, his score for Back to the Future came out. And this kind of has sometimes tinges of the fanfare of like, but... He did the score for Romancing the Stone. Oh, yeah. The year before. And it's really good. It's like... That's right. Oh, yeah. It's that 70s or 80s kind of... Dave Grusin-y kind of... Sex rock. Yeah, the sax thing comes, it's like... Yeah.

I always hated it. It's awful. And when Back to the Future came about, Robert Zemeckis said to Steven Spielberg, I'm going to have Alan. I want Alan Silvestri to do the score. And Steven Spielberg was like, no, I don't think he's up for it. You got to have like a John Williams level. symphonic score for this movie uh to make it you know like a true movie and if i had heard the romancing the stone theme

And then the theme to Cat's Eye, which is really tinsy. Like, it's like... I'd be like, he ain't doing Back to the Future. But if I could have jumped ahead to Young Guns 2, I would have been on board. I love that. score. Well, I've noticed Alex Silvestri gets... He's certainly versatile. Yeah, but I think he gets cast when you can't or gets hired when you can't get John Williams now. Seems like it.

And at a lower rate, let's say. Because did he do Forrest Gump too? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's done all the Zemeckises. Yeah. See, Forrest Gump seems like... It would have been a John Williams score if it weren't for Zemeckis. Yes. And I think he does the Marvel movies and stuff. Oh, boy. What's his Young Guns 2 theme like? It's just kind of got like synth drums and it's like, I'm trying to remember. I mean, it's very Western-y, but with like synth drums.

there's a certain timber to like his horns or strings or something where it's always going to sound like back to the future to me. Yeah. So like Ricochet has an Alan Silvestri score. There's like sometimes where they have little stings that I'm like. Denzel Washington should be running with Doc Brown right now. It sounds exactly like this. But the whole cat thread felt very...

Yeah. I'm not looking for the biggest kind of like linker uppers here, but it was a pretty flibsy. It was threadbare. Yes, it was. Only when you get Drew Barrymore in general featuring in the third segment do you go, okay, I guess I get why they're here.

Yeah. It almost felt like they knew they were going to have a cat in the third one. So let's just try to, because like the first segment doesn't really, the cat gets like brought in by the cat catcher as James Woods is going into the, into Quitter's Inc. yeah but he doesn't uh like even at the end the cat ditches town even before the ending of the like they show him on the uh staten island ferry like leaving and then they go back to james woods like six months later and then

Sees a woman who... That's why I wrote... When this segment ended, I'm like, wow, pretty anticlimactic. And then they come back and you get the finger twist. And I was like, never mind. That's pretty good. Oh, yeah. I like the like sort of like, oh, it seemed like they were everything's going to be OK. I mean.

It is interesting that the friend's wife is the one who got the comeuppance. You expect James Woods to, right? No, no. His friend was in the Quitters Inc. didn't quit and that's why his wife's got right right i'm just saying like it's funny that like we just met that wife character um to find out that she lost her finger i was kind of like

I mean, it was cool, but I was just like, okay. You mean why didn't it, it would have been more impactful if it happened to. I mean, James Bush just kind of like ended up okay. Yeah. Kicked smoking and his wife was happy. Yeah. And now he's going to lose a bunch of weight or else. That logo for Quitters Inc. The Final Solution. I want that logo like on a satin jacket or something. It's so dope looking. Except the Final Solution has such bad... Holy shit, you're right.

Well, it's not among the worst things that Final Solution Quitters Inc. has done. I mean, it's funny that, yeah, that has like Nazi trappings because... I'd seen this Quitters Inc. segment before and really liked it as a kid, but I missed the thing, the suggestion that it's like mob related, right?

Yeah, I guess so. Like Alan King's like, we used to be in other kinds of business and we saw that we could apply it to other lines of work. Yeah. And then he's got his like tufts. Yeah. But in a similar way that it was kind of like with body bags, it was like. So two segments in a row that are like a guy gets a hair transplant, eye transplant. I did think it was like interesting that like James Woods and Robert Hayes are both.

under the thumb of like mobby tough guys. It could have been the same characters in each one. Yeah. I would have liked to see James Woods walking on a ledge. Yeah. And put the...

Instead of Alan King, but the other guy in the first one. That would have been good. Even if it was just they're playing different characters, but it's sort of this kind of groovy. Yeah, the repertory players. That would be great. And they have slightly different looks and accents. That'd be a fun way to do an anthology.

Yes, it would. Which you kind of would do in theater anyway, you know, if you're doing one act, three one acts in a night in the same cast. Oh, that'd be awesome. And it would be like an actor's. You get to play kind of three distinct characters and stuff. That would be so fun. I mean, it is interesting with these anthology movies or even anthology shows. They are always made on a budget. Like there's never like.

I don't know why that is the case. You could make like a high end, a high end. Twilight zone is probably. That's true. Yes, you're right. And they do have name actors and directors. Yeah. But like. James Woods was on the up, upswing probably, so they're getting him at a lower rate. But Robert Hayes seems like, oh, he's on the downturn. lucky to get a part but um and like alan king uh but the um i don't know i was bringing this up like the level of acting and the um oh oh oh

for the repertory company, maybe like it doesn't work with the economics of a low budget anthology movie. Probably not, but you could do that thing that you do in theater where if it's the same cast, each. actor gets one that they star in but they have to play supporting roles in all the others. Yes. I love that kind of thing. Me too. Yeah. And I love the like symbolic I don't know, um, vibe, I guess that it can give where like I was in, um, children of Eden.

It was this like Stephen Schwartz musical based on like Old Testament stories. It sucks. The music sucks and the stories suck. But... The person who plays Adam in the Adam and Eve story is also the person who plays Cain. in the Cain and Abel story. And I like that sort of stuff too. Like, oh, they're always kind of, there's a thematic reason that person is playing the, yeah. Because then you could sprinkle in all these day players like this has James Rebhorn.

You got to love. Yes. Oh, I love that actor so much. So good. He's the best. I mean... He really goes... I've never quite seen him go to town like this. This whole segment where you've got kids smoking, why do they flash a plate of deviled eggs? I thought that, yeah, in the form of a face.

I guess it's just to be an absurdist face, but I thought they were like, yeah, cigarettes are horrible, horrible, bad. But keep in mind, deviled eggs aren't good either. The devil makes them, last I heard. Yeah, that whole segment. was odd i did love seeing the kids smoking and like that was really that was amazing yeah um and it did it was like in body bags like

he wants hair and he goes out and he sees everybody with hair. Even dogs have long hair. This was that where it was like, he's a companion piece to that hair. Yes, it is. They could have been in the same movie of body horror. Midlife crisis sort of self-improvement tales of horror. But like it did do this thing. That does bother me about like when people hallucinate in movies or have like a nightmarish.

waking nightmares experience, which is like, so the thing is, you know, I like it. I'm not hating on it, but it's like, he goes to a party. And everybody's smoking. I mean, it's like a ridiculous amount of smoke. It's at his own house, right? Ah, yes. Okay. And you can see like, okay, they're amping that up, but it's also believable.

Maybe that amount of people could be smoking at this party in the room would be filled with that much smoke. And then, you know, because it's a great image, I don't care that the kids aren't really smoking there. It's just like, this is what he's seeing. But it's like, then, and again, I love seeing Alan King come down and like lip syncing to every breath you take in like this weird kind of like disco suit. But, and James Rehorn.

He has smoke coming out of his ears. If you saw that stuff, you'd be insane. Yeah, you'd run out of the house. You're hallucinating people that aren't there. That goes beyond. wanting a cigarette it's really weird yeah there's a bigger problem it reminds me of um uh my buddy harris whittles we would talk about how we didn't like it when in scenes where people like take acid and trip. Yeah.

that they'll look over and somebody has a hamburger for a head. Yeah. It just makes you. It's like Looney Tunes when they're in a boat and they're hungry and they look at someone and they're a ham hock. Yeah. Which also reminds me when the cat is eating at the end, a fish with a head on it and the fish boat. just eating a cartoon fish. For some reason, cats and media are the only people who I know who can find.

perfectly made fish bones. I also love the cartoon logic of the, that the troll also obeys the Tom and Jerry rule of your hole in a wall must have a perfect archway. And there was a little Tom and Jerry in the movie, right? Like they, it was like a Joe Dante touch of like a cartoons on a TV and it's scoring what the cat, the music, what the cat is doing out of the lawn. Yeah.

Do you have any more on the cigarette one? Let me see. Oh, I like seeing all the anti-smoking ads up. Oh, yeah. Because they were of a time. But then I thought this whole... segment is uh of its time anti-smoking thing yeah and like you know we laugh now at like commercials from the 50s and 60s where people are smoking cigarettes and are like it helps me uh

They didn't jog back then, but you know, it's like good for my health. Yeah. It helps me breathe. When did smoking become like, no, we're going to make a symbol with the 80s, early 80s, I think.

I basically remember that. Yeah, me too. Yeah. So it was known as like an unhealthy bad habit before the 80s, but it was in the 80s until they... Yeah, it was like, I think it was like... look the other way up until that point but there was a point in the 30s 40s and 50s where I feel like you can find literature and stuff on like helps you lose weight and it's good for your constitution and your humors and

Yeah. I mean, is it like by the 80s, the grip of the like tobacco industry was like loosening up that you could like where people just like, hey, this is a thing that. makes money in and we have advertisers who like we're not going to bite the hand of like there's not even like well philip morris yeah the industry was so strong yeah yeah i don't know um But it wasn't until the insider came along before they blew the lid off that. Bond was smoking through the 80s.

Although Roger Moore smoked cigars, but Timothy Dalton went back to cigarettes and then Brosnan would occasionally smoke cigars, but not cigarettes. And that was kind of how it died out. Oh, interesting. I never thought about the bond. point of view on like using that as a lens for how smoking. And you can track it. Same thing with like. sexual politics and stuff just the way how misogynistic connery's bond and lays and be bond is even roger moore fair amount less so with dalton

And then Brosnan, who's kind of like a beta cock. Is he? Kind of. What, like getting squished by a lady's legs and stuff? Yeah, he's just kind of always, you know. getting his is just turn the tables on him by a woman you know in a way that the other ones were it's very endearing it's very touching and then craig's kind of like shifts to a more balanced but self-aware version of it that plays on it a little bit more. And he seems tender. Craig?

Yeah, when you break through his armor, yeah. But otherwise, he's kind of a scoundrel, yeah. Yeah. Does he ever smoke on screen, Daniel Craig? No, I don't think so. Or ever have like a cigar? No. He just drinks heavily. Somebody... Nobody smokes in the Craig Bonds, I don't think. Not even bad guys. I don't think so. Maybe, but...

Not that I can think of. I mean, there was a definite drop in smoking in media in the 90s. Yeah, big campaign for it, yeah. And Mad Men does it because it could be... period and because it was cable i think they could yeah but i know they had a lot of anti-smoking people coming at them being like you're glamorizing it on the show and stuff um but

I bring this up because a bad man, Matt Weiner will talk about how he could see, they would write a character having smoking in a scene and he would know within an instant. whether somebody actually had ever smoked in their life by the way they held it. And there's sometimes when I'm watching a movie and I could tell like this actor doesn't smoke because they're holding it like between.

Their finger and their thumb, which could be cool. If you do it like this. That's awesome. That's like McConaughey in a true detective style of smoking is the pinchy. Yeah.

joint more i smoked a couple times in plays and i just loved i hate smoking but i love having a cigarette in my hand and futzing with it i uh you know like any high school kid i tried to smoke once and I threw up chili in front of all my friends we were driving around in a car smoking I was like you guys gotta pull over and then I pulled over and threw up chili in the snow Oh, my God. Oh, that's great. And then I tried it in college a couple times. Didn't like it. Felt sick.

And then I remember in Los Angeles, I was with a group of people and they were smoking. And they were like, Paul, have a cigarette. It would be funny to see you smoke. It'd be funny to see you wear big boxy gloves or work at Chippendale sort of thing. Let's see you hold a cigarette. And I took the lit cigarette. I started taking a drag on it and somebody was like, you don't smoke it like a joint. And I like took like this huge.

I don't know what I was thinking. And then that made me basically turn like Looney Tunes green. And you threw up chili and you hadn't even eaten chili that day. My chili depository like opened up my chili gland. I don't think I have any other notes. Can we do a pee break? Yeah, yes. Okay, we'll be right back. Bye-bye. Time Out calls it a spectacular vision of Pop's future. Rolling Stone UK says it has to be seen to be believed.

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This week, watch Newcastle versus Liverpool, Arsenal versus Man United and eight other Premier League games. It's on Prime. Now, Matt, segment two, the cat goes to Atlantic City. Have you ever been to Atlantic City? Me neither. Are you much of a gambler? No. I used to like blackjack when I was younger. But then the magic wore off. I don't like Vegas. Maybe the magic mic wouldn't wear off in Vegas. That's the key. Mystic Mark. No. What was the appeal of Blackjack over others for you?

That there was a certain amount of at least, if not skill, like logic to it, not random chance. And I like the thrill of having some say in what you're doing there kind of, as opposed to like. roulette where you just pick a number and um and i i felt like i understood the game better than any other game so i would go when i went to vegas and play that and i still will play that if i go to vegas but

I think also just the culture around casinos is not for me because mostly it's just kind of sad people sitting at slot machines just continually pressing the button like rats for cheese. Yeah. putting a lot of their happiness on the line, thinking this will fix my life. This is the fault of mine where I go in there and that's all I see. No, I hear you. It's almost a microcosm of what any...

all things that could make you sad yeah like oh people have hopes right and then they're dashed also um when i go to kiss like last time i went to vegas it was like 10 years ago, but like, and I had been there, uh, that was probably like my third or fourth time there, but I'm also clocking like, uh, the unseemly guys talking to like prostitutes is like, So like part of the atmosphere that could be a bummer. Yeah. My wife and her family love Vegas and it's in a harmless way. I never want to go.

maybe i'd see a show or something now where before when i was younger i would feel like it's so expensive and it's just a lot of dance and yeah now i'd probably appreciate it more and maybe like the restaurants and stuff they have good restaurants so I saw a crazy thing with Atlantic City when I read this story that when Trump... Casino opened up in Atlantic City. Was it the Taj Mahal? I forget. But it opened like January 1990. And...

that Michael Jackson came to visit him. And I was like, I wonder if there's... Yeah. Like he was bringing in celebrities to come visit this new casino. And I went online to see if there was news footage of the event. And I stepped into like a really crazy news event that happened. Michael Jackson was at the casino and he got word that Ryan White was about to die. The boy with AIDS. And Trump says, we can use my plane and we'll go visit Ryan White.

Whoa, this is weird to hear a positive Trump story. I mean, you watch it and it also feels he's trying to get in front of the camera. He knows that this could be a new story. Michael Jackson was at my casino. And then I let him use my jet to go visit Ryan White. And the cameras follow them to like Ryan White's house. And her mom.

His mom comes out and greets Michael Jackson in tears because he's already passed away. Oh my God. And the whole thing is really surreal because it feels like this, it's happening in like January, 1990. it does feel like this real turning of the page from the 80s into the 90s. You have Donald Trump and Michael Jackson who would probably, in terms of reverence...

I mean, I know he became president later, but it's just like their superstardom. There'd be a lot of holes in the ship for them in the 90s, but then they're seeing somebody. who died of a disease that came in. It's like such a weird combination of stuff. But yeah, I've never been to Atlantic City before. So...

I don't even know what the vibe of that city is like. I imagine it's going to sound horrible. I don't know what it's like now, but I imagine it was just like Jersey Shore, like Vegas, but kind of meets Goodfellas. I don't know. That's like my understanding. not even understanding just my perception of it. That's probably way off. No. Yeah. I mean, Vegas doesn't seem classy. And so to go to a place that's like a less classy version of an unclassy place seems sad.

So about that second segment, I thought it was funny that Mark Hamill's playing like an aging... baseball pro. Yeah. This guy's an aging tennis pro. Yeah. These really are one of a piece. I even expected George Buckflower to show up in the little homeless scene where the cat eats the hot dog. Do you? Yeah. I like that. Cat going. A hobo and a cat can always be good friends. But the. Do you think it's like if you're getting like an older actor. who's like maybe past his prime.

that's like a good character for them is like the past is prime athlete. Yeah, I think so. Cause it kind of is a meta thing too. Both Mark Hamill and Robert Hayes got so stereotyped in their roles that. People will always remember an athlete for how they played. And maybe arguably both hit their peak in 1980. Let's say you were in this circumstance, having an affair with a woman.

And you got caught by her mob boyfriend and said, you're going to be framed and go away for life. But if you walk around this building, you can have her. and a bunch of money and be set free. You said if I was in this situation, man, I've been in this situation a few times and I've lived to tell the tale. What would you do? Would you do it? I don't think I would.

I think I would just try to get the cops involved and say, Hey, I'm being blackmailed. Yeah. And try to fight it in court. And these guys are also trying to keep me from smoking and like kidnapping my wife. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think I would because I wouldn't believe that the person would be true to their word. Any person who's crazy enough to make me do this deal couldn't be trusted. And then...

if I fall off the building, it's over. Right. And if I just, who knows this mob guy could die in six months and then his wife is very, I mean, you're going to get messed up probably in some way. Yeah. Yeah. Would you do it? I don't think so. What's your feeling about heights? Well, I was just thinking about that when you as a boy, do you, this is common, I think for most men that I always try to explain to my wife that.

when you have the feeling of being too high up, do you feel it in your ghoulies? I feel it in my bullies. That's what I mean. My butthole. Oh, your butthole? Yeah. I feel it in my boys. You get this like... What would you call it? Like a, like almost retraction impulse. It's so funny and gross and weird that like your body still has like prehistoric. Why there? Why doesn't it give you like a.

Like other things scare you in your chest or something like that. Why is heights got to like retract your ghoulies a little bit? It's so strange. I mean, yeah, for me, it was funny when I was a kid and I would look over like. you know you're a canyon and you kind of look down or you look down from a tall building i feel a weird tingle in my butt right and then i kept this secret with me the whole time

And then my family once, we were all like on a tall building. And my dad said to the family, you know, sometimes when I'm looking down heights, kind of makes my... Butt feel weird. The rust butt clench. And then my sisters went, us too. Really? So the whole family was bonding over this. Maybe it's just like a sphinctural, like nether muscle.

convulsion or something I don't know what it is but it's so strange and I got it watching this you did yeah that's funny because I was thinking with the quitters segment Wouldn't it? This is a little scary movie-ish. Little Wayans Brothers here. A little too dirty. So advance a minute if you're with a kid. But I was thinking it would be really funny if there was a Quitters Inc. for Jack It Off. So like some mob guys like following a guy to make sure he doesn't whack it. Yeah. But.

I'm saying that because when you were feeling it, it's not arousal. It's like, no, not at all. It's this fear. Yeah. Well, you know, they say that like you, so gross, but like when an animal is scared. They empty their, like, you get so scared, you shit your pants or you pee your pants. And it's some connection to caveman days or animals. Because the animals do it. It's a way that you can move fast because you're not weighed down by your waist. And it's also a way to leave a like...

pile of something that smells to throw them off the scent. I bet. Yeah. It could very well be that. Cause I've never been in like an otherwise. near death situation but maybe that would happen there too you hear about people yeah peeing their pants or something when they're frightened or something yeah so maybe it is like when you get too high it's them saying like you want to your body's telling you run run away from this height

And then sew your boys or your butt. It's so crazy that we still have these vestigial things in us that don't really apply. I was thinking about that. Before, earlier in the week, I was looking into a, I sound like psychotic saying this, but I was looking into a fire, like a fireplace fire. And I got hypnotized by it.

And talking about it with my family, we were saying, oh, when you look in the fire, it makes you kind of sleepy. It makes you kind of warm. And I was like, you know, there's many more generations. behind me that looked into a fire. I got hypnotized and tired by it. Then what the half generation of me looking at my phone. Oh yeah.

Like, so somewhere deep inside the, like looking at a fire is like an ancient thing inside my, it's a weird thing that it's still there. Yeah. I think it's the original mesmerization where you just, especially when fire was new, people must've just been like. Holy shit. What is this light? Why is it moving? How come it's warm? What is God? That was like their sphere of Las Vegas. Yeah. And U2 was playing with the original fire.

She moves in mysterious ways. I actually don't have many notes. I just kind of just watched this one feeling pretty entertained by it. A couple of notes I had was my favorite thing about this movie, this segment, were the special effects. Oh, yeah. You got matte paintings of the...

When they're out on the ledge and you see the other buildings, you get those like painted backdrops of the city that like. Those are photo, enlarged photos. Enlarged photos. Yes, that's right. You've got the miniatures. Like the sort of like Frogger style, like when he looks down and see the little fake cars. Wind machines. When the horn. falls through the sky. And when the guy falls through the sky, that awesome, like composity. Yeah. That optical. Yeah. The optical. I did love the little tiny.

detail of the guy falls and you're like, okay, that's a cool ending, but it's not a twist. It's just kind of just desserts. But when he hits the ground, you hear the horn. He hits the horn. I missed that. Yeah. It goes. I, when the cat like looked at it, that like kind of gave me like a chill, like an alien when the cat like is watching like the alien attack the, uh, like there's something about like a cat just kind of being like a non.

like emotional observer of horror. Greek chorus. Yes. Yeah. And then the effects of prop. like neon signs. Yeah. Like enlarged stuff like that. Yeah. There was so much to love like practically. I would have loved to have visited all these sets actually. Yes. Holy cow. The last two especially. You get to walk around on the ledge set and then go over and jump on a big.

bed the biggest ever um i did think because robert hayes is a comic actor i know him as a comic actor and because that other guy was so good the mob the gambler dude the suspense of him being on the thing it could have been if it had been a different actor I think it would have been like more thrilling yeah I was I was looking at this one more as a comedy than it was not a thriller at all it also feels like it has the logic of like a

kids game in a pool it does you know where you're like definitely does you have to crawl around here like it's kind of like a made up absolutely challenge but it's I love that um and then the last thing I'll say that I really liked was um Well, the twist really surprised me. The head in the bag. Yeah. Well, that twist. Yeah. Yeah. What's in the bag? What's in the bag? What's in the bag? But I also liked the cat in this one because it was it's like a Disney cat where a cat.

hisses at a villain. Yeah. And then is satisfied at like the villains come up. I just love Disney animals, but they know who's also that you're choosing a cat to have these kind of, this set of ethics and morality when a cat is the least of the animal. is the most amoral animal. Self-serving, food only, couldn't care less about its humans. Well, that was the notes that Brantley gave us was the director said, oh, I worked with Cujo.

Dogs are easy to train. I mean, it's the thing people say they're easy to train because they, they're doing it for food, but they're also doing attention and affection and a cat just wants food. So you just like, I guess like put. tuna juice on everything. Or goat and tuna. Goat? Wasn't that what the little can was? Maybe we're moving on to the next one. Let's move it on, yeah. Did I read that wrong? Did it say goat and tuna?

End apostrophe tuna. Oh my God. I didn't look closely enough. So I, I'm sure you're right. That's weird. Let us know in the comments, like, and subscribe, smash that love button. Maybe it was a greatest of all time tuna. This is one can. We have found the best ever tuna. You'll see him later as a cartoon fishbone. I also thought it was funny that it was like the cat with this third segment. It's like the cat travels to... New York, Atlantic City.

North Carolina, North Carolina, where we are shooting this movie. It just so happened. Like, why did they just call it like, I know what, yeah. Why not upstate New York or something? Yeah. Just make it all the Eastern seaboard. But to use the town that you've been faking everything else for is like weird. Yeah. And did the cat hop on a boxcar? Is that what happened? And you didn't want to shoot a scene with Buckflower in there. Okay. You had it right there.

I like the troll POV with the Frank Welker like, uh, uh, sound effects. Yeah. Um, the, uh, I mean, I think. This segment I liked because the human story was the one that felt like it's not, you know, we like our some basis of. recognition and reality and then it goes to another horrific place with those i was kind of like i've never been in a situation where i'm trying to quit smoking and i go to like some weird mob run company and

never owed a debt to a thing, but like whatever that sort of like domestic, like a mom and dad and a kid or figuring out if they're going to have a cat be in the house or not. Like that was cool. Very relatable. Yeah. That dad though. a little annoying, like, first of all, don't tell your kid that a cat steals your breath. That's a little not, I don't think Dr. Spock would approve of that. But then also that,

When he's trying to scare her, he uses like a Dracula accent. He was doing the accent of his wife's mother. He was saying she says... that cats will steal your breath. So he was mocking her. Her with like a kind of Transylvanian or it was just an old lady. I think they're getting it at a, you know, quote unquote gypsy thing. I see. Cause then it went to.

Then he did a little Elvis Presley. He was like, thank you. Thank you very much. Yeah, this guy. Sometimes a cut up dad is a little, I mean, what am I talking about? I loved it. Another in-joke with the Pet Sematary, the mom reading the Pet Sematary book in bed. Oh, I didn't catch that. Oh, that's funny.

Because, yeah, she'd probably want to put General into a pet cemetery if she had her way. Not if she read that book. She should know better. General will come back like MacArthur. I shall return. That also, when Leslie, my wife was pregnant with Mary, she was reading Pet Sematary. And so we had, that was a page from our life. I remember laying in bed while.

Leslie held a paperback of Pet Sematary and read it. But it's the only Stephen King book that Leslie never finished because it was too scary. It was like too grim. Cause I think it was about like child death and she was pregnant at the time and stuff. But I've heard other people say like pet cemetery is like the scariest of the, of the Stephen King. Yeah. Um, uh, but, um,

For me, this curious thing is that it's misspelled. Oh, yeah. I don't like that. How did that get by this? What did you think of the troll? I thought it was really well done, but it didn't feel to fit in this for some reason. The look of it almost was like a predator baby or something. Yeah. And all of these feel like they could happen in the first two feel like they could happen.

There was no paranormal aspect. Yeah, this was weird. This one never fully grabbed me. And then it grabbed me for the special effects and the production. Never quite the story. Same. Yeah. Yeah. And the, the, the troll. He's wearing a jester's cap. That I loved. I don't know why. I mean, he's a cutie. I loved him. Yeah, but what a mischief maker, that guy. What a troublemaker. Something too that I didn't mention.

What makes this movie charming or cozy too is that it was made to be PG and it got a PG-13 rating. But the fact that it's like bloodless without many swears and stuff, it's like... A cozy movie to watch. Yeah. Except when the troll dies, did they just use tomato pulp for his blood? Cause it was red, but it looks like there's a bunch of little tomato seeds.

Yeah. Yeah. I guess that would happen. If a troll goes into an electric fan, it grows seeds in its blood. It's the only thing I could. I mean, it is living in the dirt among the other tomatoes and stuff. But yeah, all the like oversized Edith Ann style props were pretty great. Yeah, it was pretty great. And yeah, I was not expecting this movie to end with a troll on a giant record that gets like sped up.

And calling back to the song from before, too. Pretty great. But yeah, the end part, yeah, it didn't...

None of the ends of any of these segments. I really enjoyed this movie. It was very entertaining, but the punches at the end didn't really land for me. No, it was just straight down the middle of this movie in a kind of good way, but nothing... remarkable about it but pretty cozy nonetheless yeah like all the good guys either they made it out okay like they they didn't have those kind of like ironic

endings of like... I guess James Wood's character's friend's wife lost a finger. Robert Hayes' character lost his mistress. That's true. Oh, right, right. Yeah. Drew Barrymore's family, they did all right. They gained a cat. How do you think they got a cat to lick a kid? They must have just put a little gravy on her lips or something. Yeah, goat. It's very rare for a cat to lick. You know, a dog will lick all the time. They love it. You haven't spent any time with Margo. Well...

Sign me up for some Margot time because when a cat licks me, I love it. That little like rough texture. For a cat to lick you, it has to know you and trust you. So unless you own a cat. You probably aren't getting liquid. Gotta buy a tuna dinner for a cat, I guess. Take it, why didn't dine it? Oh yeah, Margo, man. She'll take a layer of skin off. Our cat who looked a lot like General when I was growing up, her name was Allie. Allie Cat. She had like black and white stripes.

She would sometimes, it was like so rare, but I loved it when it happened. If you were sitting there, she'd come up behind you and with her teeth.

do these like little pinches on her scalp kind of do like little bites and once it happened it was always like don't screw this up paul let this cat do it it feels good sounds great yeah but that that you never no so how he was just a weirdo i don't think i've ever had that happen i've had a lot of cats yeah that happened what's your favorite little cat behavior like the dough kneading the dough is that what it's called baking biscuits yeah

especially before Glenn was born, a man, and I would start every morning. Oh, that's all right. Start every morning in the, um, no, no, no, don't worry about it. In the morning, we'd. like sit in the lounge and had have some coffee and um she margot always sits on my lap she's kind of like my girl you know and i i

Love that. But my legs fall asleep in such a good way, you know? Oh, cause you're like, I've got a bridge like that. My feet are kicked up on the table and she comes and sits on my lap, but she mostly sleeps on me most nights. That's beautiful. Yeah. She's my special. Lucky you. I know I am. I don't really get it from my daughter, but I get it from my. Hopefully that'll change. My daughter went to a kitty cat cafe. Oh, I went to one in Japan. Oh yeah. Yeah. I loved it.

She just turned seven. So now she's allowed to go to the kitty cat. Oh, that's the age limit. Interesting. So, um, yeah, uh, my wife and I, or my wife, uh, Her mother took her to the kitty cat cafe. I didn't go because, you know, sometimes I'm a little allergic. Yeah. But... Seemed pretty cool. It is pretty cool. What was the one in Japan like? Just what you'd think. Yeah. Yeah. It's great. And also for my honeymoon, we went to Lanai and there's a cat sanctuary there where you can go on this.

big land area and there are just hundreds of cats and if you like pull out some food tens of dozens of cats just crawl all over you and that would be some people's nightmare but I loved it I imagine like these like five foot tall balls of yarn and stuff like big scratching posts it's pretty great um for people who are wondering that sound you heard and me go oh sorry um i picked up the

mug and it stuck to the coaster and then the coaster dropped and then coffee spilled out of my mug and Matt very kindly got a... And then the house fell down. Well, should we rate this guy? Yeah. Last time we gave body bags, you gave it a 10. I gave it a nine. I think, you know what? I'm going to go nine again for this, for me. What about you? I'll give it a nine. Nine lives. So you like body bag just one point more. I think so. I'm trying to think why. I don't know. They are pretty equal.

Yeah, I would say. All things being equal. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, next episode will be... Twilight Zone the movie. I'm excited about this. I've been wanting to watch this for the show for a while. Yeah, yeah. It's a good excuse. We'll see you then, everybody. Thanks for joining us. Bye. Bye-bye.

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