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He, Matt Gourley. And I am Paul Russ. I set that up not knowing that I would... set you up to really have to find your way out of the woods. But hey, how cool is it that your last name rhymes with he? Yeah. That's what I wake up most days thinking. Gore he man. That. Last time of the last episode we had, you had a bit of a cough. Yeah. You were racked with.

COVID. How are you feeling now? I'm better. I'm better. I've had some aftershocks. I really do think there is clearly some kind of lingering COVID thing where both Amanda and I have been up and down and stuff, but I'm... I'm back. I was telling the streamers, full day at Universal Studios yesterday with my daughter, just my daughter and me, hitting pets rides multiple times. It was glorious. I don't know that I've had a better day in a long time. And I'm feeling like I'm maybe it.

85%. I'm looking forward to like exercising again. I've been eating right again, but you know, that's just an update on my personal life. And that's great. I'm glad to hear you're feeling better. I mean, I got to say, what are we in the seventh? week of 2025 you had to deal with the fires and you had to deal with COVID I feel like you've been a bit through the ringer so I'm glad you're out on the other side yeah yeah and there's been a

In our family, we had a loss a couple of years ago and that anniversary was on Sunday too. And so there was just all kinds of things going on. But here's to... the next 10 months of 2025. That's right. Yeah. March to December. Here we come. Yeah. Cause January, February go screw. Yeah. How are you friend? I'm good. I'm good. Yeah. Yeah. Good to be here doing a podcast with my buddy. And on a film that...

I really, really enjoy Blowout, 1981, Brian De Palma. Yeah, a top 10 favorite movie for me. Is it really of all time? Yeah. I get it. Yeah. I think just to get out of the gate before we do any business. maybe my favorite John Travolta performance. It's mine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, uh, I really love it. And as far as the Travolts go, I think. We might have talked about this on the Carrie episode, but I haven't ever met or known somebody who loves Travolta as much as I do.

Or I've never met anybody who goes, no, no, no, no, Paul. I love Travolta more. Usually people are like, you know, it's like your mask story. People are like, wow, you really like John Travolta. After Saturday Night Fever, Saturday Night Fever, there were probably a bunch of people who were doing that. And then his career trajectory, who stuck with him.

Yeah. Everyone bailed except for Paul, who is not a fair weather Travolta friend. No. And in fact, when people tease him about the Idina Menzel. Yeah. How he misspoke her name and stuff. I get really defensive. I'm like, back off, guys. Let's see you go up there and have to read off a teleprompter. I think... You know, think about people, people, people, people. I do laugh when I think about it.

People have, they're so considerate of celebrities' personal lives sometimes. They go out of their way to defend him. Nobody's defending Travolta. I know. But I feel like he's had a lot of experience in his life that should... make it easy for one to support him. It's just, is it possible to view that moment without like disparaging him?

But I laugh so hard when I think of that because it's because- Well, don't. Well, let me just say it's not because he did anything wrong. It's that the name he said was so specific. Adele Dazeem, and he said it with such confidence. Did it come out that he has dyslexia or something? I think so, yeah. Absolutely, totally forgiven. And in some ways, I love him all the more for it because he gave us a moment that I go back to that's up there with me with that woman who was in charge of that.

old Italian Renaissance church and that painting was fading, a painting of Jesus, and she took it upon herself to repaint. I mean, that's one of my favorite things I've experienced in my life. That's the ape man Jesus that she tried to pay. It's so... This is up there with that for me. Yes, the confidence that nobody might notice, I guess, is pretty funny. I love...

And, you know, he's had some tough things before him, right? He lost a son and a wife. Yeah. And he's a pilot. I mean, these are tough things. No, I really like Travolta. And he's had... a unique career. Yeah. And someone that has come and gone. I think he's one of a kind too. Like there's really, um, his trying to think of an actor. God, I should have picked the general's daughter for this. We could just do a whole run of military leaders, children movies. Oh yeah. The general's daughter.

The admiral's son. The captain's step-nephew. Major dad. We watched the whole series of major dad. Major. I'm just thinking of that. Like they were going for the double meaning of like, what a major dad. Yeah. But like, it doesn't, I don't know what it's trying to say necessarily.

Yeah, it's weird. It seems like it's kind of like the TV version of The Great Santini. I think it is, yeah. Well, there's another movie, yeah. They should have just called it The Great Santini Show. They should have called it The Great Santini. The Greensand TV. But I'm trying to think of another actor who can combine in equal parts with such... strength, masculinity, and sensitivity. And no one looks like him. Yes. He's really handsome, but he's unique looking.

Yeah, he's got that little dimple chin. It's not even a cleft chin. It's a dimple chin, but it looks like someone drove a nail really tight. Like, how do you shave in there? Yeah, yeah. Does he always have little whiskers coming out of there? Because how could you really get in there?

Oh, gross. I don't like the thing he has to clean it out. There's like food in it and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. His eyes. I mean, his gorgeous eyes. Yeah, his gorgeous eyes. He's never looked better than I think in this movie.

I think that's true too. Because he's got like Grease and Saturday Night Live, but he's kind of period looking. In this one, he just like the clothes they've got him in, his hair, he looks great. Yeah, and he's... you know a dancer and so his physicality in movies I really love like we'll get to it but that scene where the camera's going 360 around the room while he's

finding out all the tapes have been messed with and stuff. That sequence is great, and it'd be great with any actor, but it's really on another level because of his... physicality wouldn't you love to see a like ceiling shot down of them yeah that'd be cool that'd be amazing that'd be awesome but you know I can't imagine like speaking of the great tantini

Robert Duvall having the same sort of physicality in that scene. Like he's dancing with like the camera and the way when the camera comes around and like at one point where it's really awesome where he's just like struck a pose and he's just staring forward. He's not running anymore. Like knowing how long to pause there before he starts going running out of the frame and stuff is really good. I can't decide if.

You know, any long listeners of this show know that I have a complicated relationship with De Palma Films. You're a big fan. I can't decide if this is my favorite De Palma or Untouchables is. And even De Palma's... he kind of has two tracks, like his big Scarface, Untouchables, Bonfire of the Vanities, Blockbuster stuff. Mission Impossible. Mission Impossible. And then he's got his voyeuristic kind of more. Yeah.

And these each represent one of those. Well, I think this is the last one to that point that he solely wrote and directed until Raising Cain. Body Double comes in there, but he, the story is by him and somebody else, the guy who did Eyes of the Stranger and stuff. But he, so yeah, the, whatever that, like.

pure De Palme is where it's he wrote and directed so it's all authored by him they are different I mean the style is similar to like this and Untouchables but like whatever the predilections or the interests might be different from in those more blockbuster movies yeah but yeah um i carrie is really up there

But I do think this, yeah, this is my favorite De Palma movie. Yeah, it's, if not my favorite, my second favorite. They're just, Untouchables in this are so... hard to compare well and for me carrie and blowout are the both the most um emotional like carlito's way does have like high-pitched emotions that aren't like You're not supposed to giggle at them. It's like serious and stuff. But yeah, the, all the stuff of Carrie, you know, at home or being teased or.

taking revenge all that stuff is highly like emotional but um the last 10 minutes of this movie when he's like running slow-mo through the people who were at the Liberty Day event, and he's seeing her get attacked and screaming and stuff. It's nice because De Palma's technique is top shelf. But then to have those moments of real emotionality, I love it.

Boy, I had a thought, and I'll bet it was the best thought I've ever had. Was it Travolta running in slow-mo? No, that's just a feeling for me, and it's a good feeling. Oh, I need to watch Dressed to Kill again because... I don't know what it is about this movie where when I watch Body Devil, which I really do enjoy watching and I loved when we covered it on the podcast, but I am never engrossed.

like willing suspension of disbelief in body double. I'm always aware of Brian De Palma's kind of, I don't mean this disparagingly, but like ooze. is all over that movie. This movie, I'm not thinking about Brian De Palma. Sometimes I am when the shot's in the slow-mo, but it's in a good way. I'm just watching it as a really good movie.

his blockbusters i'm able to do that with because they're just so epic and stuff you know like when i watch um body double raising cane his his films after this they feel so steeped in his kind of musk yeah and there's like giant while you're watching the movie I mean I love those movies but they have like

what is it that hitchcock talked about the icebox um uh reflection like it's you'll watch a movie you'll be caught up in it and it is until later at night when you go downstairs to the icebox and get food for a midnight snack that you go Wait a minute. Why would he have done that if he did it? Like, Blowout has those. But like when people who watch Body Double and Raising Cane.

while they're watching it for the first time. And maybe even before they go in the theater. Yeah. Blowout doesn't have as many or in the moment. Yeah. I mean, my one. And Dressed to Kill is awesome. I need to rewatch that. Would you say that that's more in line with this? Because that's what gave him a big hit and allowed him to do this, which itself was quite a failure. Yeah, yeah. Dressed to Kill is...

i'd say carry blowout and just to kill are my faves of his yeah um but the uh yeah the right and then that that blowout wasn't um very uh wasn't I would always get this movie confused too with The Fan. That's another Travolta movie, right? And it's like has not the De Niro Wesley Snipes one. Yes, there's that fan, and then there's one with Lauren Bacall and James Gardner. But is there a Travolta fan? Or maybe their poster... Oh! What's that one that...

the lead singer of Limp Bizkit directed. That's the one where he's... What? Fred Durst? Fred Durst directed a movie with... No, I'm thinking of something from the... Travolta is like an obsessed fan guy. What? yeah oh man there was that period and probably still in it or like any eastern european funded russian funded movie straight to video yeah and bruce willis would do maybe

I'm thinking of the Lauren Bacall one. It's anybody who is in Look Who's Talking can get instant European funding. John Travolta, Bruce Willis. Gilbert Godfrey did a cameo. George Siegel. Kirstie Alley. The success of Look Who's Talking. The fanatic.

That's what you're talking about. Oh, and he's got the bowl cut. Yes. Oh, boy. But that's not what you were thinking of, huh? No, I must be thinking of the Bacall one. And the Bacall one, Michael Biehn is the obsessed fan. Yes, this is what I'm thinking of because I remember... i think i'm comparing the blowout poster and the fan poster and conflating the two yes and uh the um fan is um it's not really good but it is a total dress to kill style. It seems like it. Yeah. Oh, who directed it?

I don't know, but the producer is the guy who did all of the, like... Edward Bianchi. Robert Stigwood, who did, like, you know, Grease and... Oh, Edward Bianchi. Edward Bianchi. Oh, he also did Deadwood, Boardwalk Empire, Yellowstone. And I am he, Edward Bianchi. In Greek we trust with Bianchi and Rust.

But yeah, this movie, it's my second time watching it. I think after Body Double, I wanted to give De Palma another chance. And this seemed like the right one. And I was right. I watched it the first time. I really loved it. I love how procedural it is at times. This is a good kind of pairing to David Jackal in a way. Yeah. Where it's like...

The bad guy is procedural and the good guy is procedural. Yeah. And I love the procedural stuff. You're right. Like I noticed that when I was watching it this time, you get sort of three, like you get a little trilogy of. him at work so you have the combination of him going out and recording but then the really great sequence where he's listening to it later and re-contextualizing from his point of view while listening to stuff and then

That's one procedural thing. Then the other procedural thing is the clipping out the pictures from a magazine and doing the flip book animation. And then the third one is when he uses the grease pencil to write. on the thing and sync up the and you do like those are the stages I guess of filmmaking you know so to get to see all that like

Seeing somebody just do a process is really fun to watch. Yeah, you almost get the process of Lithgow's killing, too, because you just at least get to see him from start to finish. pick a victim basically that's right yeah that's right you wouldn't necessarily need to take the time in these movies to do that you could just say he killed a prostitute in this train station or something or find the body right but

you know, here's De Palma and you got to love him for it. It's just like, got to show you the whole, he loves sailors in that station in Philadelphia. It's the same as a untouchables, you know? Yeah. And, uh, trains, uh, in. General, I mean, he complained about in Carlito's way that he had to go back to a train station again because there's...

One in Dressed to Kill, Nancy Allen gets chased down. She's trying to run away from a killer and then she gets on the thing and she encounters a gang and then a policeman who doesn't really want to help her. And it has that cool thing where... The subway train darkens sometimes and it goes dark and the lights come back up. So that's one train. Then blowout. Untouchables. Mission Impossible. Mission Impossible. Carlito's Way. Polar Express. And Polar Express. He directed the Aerosmith.

sequences where Steven Tyler sings that there's a party on top of the world at the North Pole. Have you seen it? No. When you said that, I did not doubt it for a second. They get up to the North Pole and Errol Smith is doing a show and Steven Tyler is singing. It's a party at the top of the world. Oh, heavens. Really good. But the the sailors and the trade station, that part where.

you know he negotiates the fee with the prostitute and then he runs off he's like hey ralph because he needs to collect some money the shot of the sailor pooling money from other sailors to go pay for a prostitute looks like a like dirty Norman Rockwell painting. That's so true. Like if you saw a guy collecting money from a bunch of sailors at a train station, just a little like vignette. Norman Rockwell after dark, his private collection.

Like, I know the story here. Yeah. Like in the classic way Rockwell stuff is, you're like, oh, I get what their relationships are and what the person is. Oh, I love that. I would love to have an actual, a few actual Rockwell painted. Saturday evening post covers of just like, what could it be? That's like, it couldn't like, it still had to pass the censorship board.

Right. But it is kind of prurient things like that, you know? Yeah. It would be like just a John negotiating with a prostitute on the street, you know? Yeah, or like somebody waiting for a drug dealer to show up to school. Like a farmer taking a sick dog out to the field with a shotgun. so dirty and morose yeah just kind of bleak like a busted leg horse and

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film ways that reminded me of the 2001 kind of soul transportation sequence at times just the first it looks like it starts with a big red howl eye and then I really liked it. Yeah, and Brantley Palmer's notes, as always, so invaluable, told us that the company... film ways went under after this quickly soon after but it's uh it is a rarity like we

There's an MGM logo before it because MGM bought it. But if you would have just gone in theaters, Filmways would have been like the sole distributor. That's crazy to think. And I loved it in the Logo Loco too, the sound of the heartbeat. that figures throughout the movie, you can hear it under the Filmways logo.

It's tough for me to see an MGM logo right now with all that's going on with Bond. Oh my gosh, Matt, we talked about how you had to deal with fires and COVID, but we didn't talk about really the big disruption that's existed. I didn't tell you. You went on the BBC. And that interview was great. Oh, you watched that? Yeah, I did. You watched that? Yeah, that was wonderful. Tell people about the experience. What's going on? Well, just long story short, the broccoli family has owned.

or at least had enough of an ownership and more importantly, the creative control of the James Bond cinematic franchise for 60 plus years. And that... didn't always include every film in title but but recently it had and there were such great stewards even if they you know had periods of of sort of not the best films at times it would come and go but they always seem to care and so when there were two producers that owned the rights that they had gotten from Ian Fleming Broccoli and Saltzman

Saltzman had a lot of financial troubles and he and broccoli weren't fully getting along at the time. So rather than sell to broccoli, if you talk to a chef, a lot of them will tell you don't mix broccoli with Saltzman. No, man. Saltzman. Tell it to my wife. I do put last night, less than 24 hours ago, Matt, I put some salt on broccoli. My wife heavily salts our broccoli to the point that we're no longer together.

You sold your marriage to Amazon. They were buying. They're buying up marriages, you guys, if you want to get out there. So he sold his shares to United Artists. But some, I'm not sure how, but the Broccoli's always had creative control. United Artists was at one point absorbed by MGM, which is crazy also because all of these entities still exist in name.

Then MGM was absorbed by Amazon through all the years. But MGM still exists under Amazon and United Artists still exists under Amazon. It's strange. Once this happened a couple of years ago or whatever, whenever it was, Broccoli was holding strong, calling them fucking idiots, according to the Wall Street Journal, saying, you know, they want to turn this into content. She was like keeping the cinematic treasure.

And then just out of the blue, reportedly a billion dollars, they bought the creative rights from Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson, who is Cubby Broccoli's stepson. Barbara was his daughter. But they still are going to be 50-50 co-owners. Who's they? Broccoli and Wilson. They just sold the intellectual property rights, the creative control for a billion dollars. They still get to share.

And 50-50% of the profits, if I understand it correctly, in perpetuity. Whoa. So they weren't just getting a billion dollar buyout. They were just getting a buyout. And I think they now just have to basically wash their hands of the whole thing. So if this was a... like a divorce or something. It's like they share custody, but Amazon gets to decide like what the kid's haircut is. Yes. And whatever money the kid makes. Yes.

They get half of it as a silent partner, basically. Wouldn't that be nightmarish if that's how divorces and custody worked? That like when two parents, then they get to hurt. earn what the kid makes yeah I mean maybe it's the way to go might be with the case with like Drew Barrymore or something when she was a kid. And in the movie, Irreconcilable Differences. That's probably what I was thinking of it. So I didn't know that aspect. I thought it was a pure buyout. Now you leave.

That's kind of painful. You have to be there. And I mean, the money ain't painful. I don't think they have to do anything. I just mean like having to stand there. I guess it would have been painful if there was a buyout too. Yeah, I don't think they're ever going to sell. They're 50%, but they were just such like strong stewards of this family heirloom. And it was, it's.

When you realize they have 50%, you go like, well, what's a billion dollars to these mega wealthy people anyway when they're already going to be and their heirs are going to be earning off this thing?

forever and it to me this is totally a hunch as well for one thing michael g wilson wanted to retire he's older he's 82 i think barbara brockley's in her late 60s she seems tired of it she seems like she wants to produce theater and other films which she has and I could see where she's like the way fan culture is in this world right now and like you know

I don't want to deal with all these Bond boys, you know, like I could completely understand that, but I just sort of wish she'd given it over to like. a czar of some kind like someone she knew that could then steward it even if it was like go to Christopher Nolan and like he can now shepherd this thing or something come to me I would have done it for free you would have done it pro bono yeah but so the big fear is that what amazon will do to the bond franchise because man they're

I think of all the streaming services, this would be my last pick. Because they're so driven by algorithms and metrics. We used to watch Bosch, that show on Amazon, before I think... data driven thing was really putting into show running and it was like dad noir and it was totally like a fun covid show yeah and then we watched their recent show cross which is like another just detective show

We didn't even make it two minutes before we like violently turned it off because it felt so not only written, not by human, but actually like written by Amazon, the cloud. Like it just, some AI went in and said, do this, do this, do this. It all felt like reshoots, everything. Nobody seemed like they were in the same room and they were outside. yeah it was crazy yeah and that sort of stuff of like uh that you hear of like um

don't do anything on screen that if the person wasn't looking at the screen, they wouldn't know what was happening. I know that was like a mandate by another streamer, but it seems like whatever that like philosophy is. Yeah. I mean, The comparison it seems that it could make is what's happened to Star Wars since George Lucas sold it. He was somebody who... had a particular taste, but then also had the power and ability to control what that was. But he wasn't really...

A, making anything. And the last things he made were not good. They were making up and down stuff, but they were making good stuff. Because Cubby Broccoli was alive during Goldeneye. pierce brosden had been on the table um as a bond option since the mid 80s early 80s right that when the time came in the mid 90s it was a little bit of a foregone conclusion but barbara broccolis legacy seems to be that she was the one who selected Daniel Craig, endorsed him, and then made those movies. And now...

I think you can spoiler a movie that's been out with no time to die, right? Yeah, that he lives forever. Yeah, that he lives forever. And they say at the very end, they go, we put a chip in him that'll allow him to live forever. But just, she could also probably walk away from being like, oh, there's 25. It's a nice number of movies. Is it 25?

And if Bond dies at the end, it seems like it could be a nice way to step away from whatever. But she recently was quoted as saying, don't let temporary people make. permanent decisions but she's done exactly that yeah it's it was a shock and i i get it like it's their franchise they can do whatever they want but it was a bummer well on the on the um delusional side. Yeah. The delusional, optimistically delusional. And you can push back on this as a Bond fan, but...

I'm thinking like they weren't always all great. No. And so there's the potential that, you know, if anything, the thing I would always hear, you know, is like. Spielberg, Tarantino, Nolan, they would love to be making these movies, and it's these effing broccolis. Don't let them do it. I know. I don't push back on that. I've been thinking about that myself, that there are some upsides to this. For one thing, Courtney Valenti, who produced...

Fury Road, Barbie, she's running their film division right now. And those are two highly original films. Really, I think, successful creatively. Scott Stuber at United Artists, too. They have a lot of respect. If they don't let the metrics get in the way, and I don't care if they... like do a lot of spinoff throwaway TV stuff. As long as the movies still have that marquee feel. And like you said, it's not too late for Spielberg to do a Bond. Holy cow. Wouldn't that be awesome?

I'm less excited about a Tarantino thing, but I'd take it. And we're going to get more and we're going to get them sooner. And maybe there will be some bad ones, but it can also have its ever enduring. peaks and valleys. So if there's some bad ones for a while, eventually one's going to come along and be good because they're going to need to self-correct. And no matter what, even if Eon and Broccoli stayed at the helm, this bond was going to be younger than me.

It was probably going to be lighter. It probably wasn't going to be my type of bond anyway, which kind of happens, you know. So there's reason to be hopeful, at least long term. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The idea that... somebody else could be as good of a shepherd. And then... i think the shepherd's gonna change a lot though that's the shepherd's only gonna probably last for each little batch of movies that's what i'll miss but there are downfalls to that you know yeah yeah so who knows i mean uh

Yeah. But then I guess the worry is like... That there's going to be a new Bond spinoff show on Amazon every eight, nine months. Probably. Unless they're learning their lesson. I mean, that's the other thing is we are on the other side of the Star Wars TV saturation, the Marvel TV saturation. the marvel movie saturation so i think whatever they do it won't be as bad as star wars and marvel i think they'll i'm sure they'll do like what are your young m

Young Moneypenny, Baby Q, maybe a Felix Leiter show, maybe. I don't know. There's plenty of options. Do you think they'd risk ever having Bond be in a... a series like a series about bond yeah they might do young bond there's a series of novels that are pretty well respected called by charlie higson called the young bond it's not like james bond jr the cartoon it's you know him it

eaten and you know doesn't he like um like before he shoots somebody goes get bent hey governor get bent but you know there's young indiana jones so it didn't Take anything away from those movies. I don't mind. I hope they go quality over quantity, but they're not going to. I just hope the movies stay super high quality. And I hope they stay British.

Yes. I hope they're helmed by someone English. And yeah, we'll see. I mean, it's probably just going to be Ryan Gosling, you know, directed by Brett Ratner, who. Is it Brett Ratner who's doing an Amazon, I think? Oh, really? Doing a documentary about Melania Trump, like Full Access, this puff piece documentary and series. Like he's been uncancelled by MAGA. to go in and do a documentary about Melania Trump that she has full creative control over. She has the control over. Oh, okay. Okay.

Anyway, we digress. Well, that was a great digression. I think people, our listeners probably know, and you're a Bond fan, wanted to know your thoughts and feelings on it. Yeah, you can only get so cynical on BBC. Well, then, yeah, then just... Curious about that. How was your experience with the BBC page? It was fun. I've done interviews with the BBC, but radio, I think. I don't know that I've done TV because when Sean Connery died, they called me to go on the air and talk about this.

I think this is the first, what I would imagine to be what news pundits have to do when they sit down at their house and go on and talk about the news. So yeah, all day you're kind of going back and forth with the producer going like, what do you want to be? But what a compliment. The BBC is probably surrounded by a lot of Bond files. It's strange. I don't know how this, this really nice guy named John Ringer.

I think it had me on the first time. So I'm not quite sure how, but yeah, you stare at your camera. They don't like show you the feed because they want your bandwidth to be as clean as possible for your audio and video. So you just hear the audio and there's just a big.

text that says just please keep looking at the camera whoa yeah and so you're looking at nothing and they can see you you i could see my feed on my zoom but i couldn't see them wow yeah and you just hear them and yeah it's strange and oh there were three stories before mine and they were all about not just like tragedy but like

children dying in war zones and stuff. And then with no, like just a nosebleed transition, Amazon has bought the James Bond franchise with us. Here's Matt Jewelry. That's like the, um, infamous Casey Kasem tape where he's angry that he has to fucking bondrous man yeah he has to go from An upbeat tempo song to a dead pet dedication. It's fucking ponderous, man. Fucking ponderous, man. Well, well done on all of that. And...

Oh, as long as I'm giving your flowers about that, I'll also give you the flowers of... I watched a blowout on a new... 4k disc that I bought from criterion. Because of your gift you gave me. Oh, that's nice. Oh, good. Everybody listening, Matt gave me a thoughtful gift card to the Criterion. And so that was my first purchase was the blowout. Oh, how nice. Yeah, so I watched that. So did it look good?

what i watched was super grainy but not in a bad way had they removed much grain or i mean i know that a cleanup isn't always removing grain but yeah there was some grain and then the uh the colors were uh amazing like i love uh There's a lot of, just because I think of the patriotic element, a lot of red, white, and blue. Yeah, those two amazing cement mixers.

What happened to whimsical cement mixers? Why did that go away? Is that just a bicentennial thing? And the red and blue of the like wallpaper of the hotel they stay in with that weird kind of like diamond. almost optical illusion wonder bread wrapper cement mixer yes i know cement mixers do have a touch of whimsy if they want to but not anymore what happened to this country Maybe that was just a way for like, yeah, the mob.

to kind of have people look away that they were putting like bodies look away but look so closely at them that it's like hiding in plain sight what would we be hiding if you're if we're forcing you to look at our wonder bread the only dangers kids might want

to climb in here you don't know tony's inside there uh but the uh um the yeah the colors look great and the the sound is amazing um i should hope so for a movie like yes That reminded me of, just real quickly, in terms of getting to see stuff in their vibrancy, their filmic vibrancy on... Saturday, for the first time in a theater, I got to see my favorite, favorite movie, E.T. It was at the New Beverly. And I sat in the front row. Did you take Mary?

Mary went camping that day. And so I would have taken her. And I was welcome to go camping too. I'm not suggesting you weren't. Yes. But it was awesome. It was like a full sold out audience. But I sat next to E.T. Yes. He came in, he was wearing like shades and a cap so people would notice them. But they were those huge novelty shades. Yes. He was actually dressed like the lady he dresses up like in the movie. And Yoda. Or no, he's a ghost. He sees Yoda. But he or the.

I was sitting next to a grownup. There was a couple that was to my right, but to my left were like three, like nine to 10 year old boys. And so I got to hear. their like reactions as the movie was happening and i heard one of them ask a grown-up probably his mom is et fake like there was because it wasn't digital yeah they're like did they somehow capture an alien and get him to like you could see they were trying to make sense of like what am i looking at when et's on screen and then

Just the stuff that I remember first thinking and feeling about ET when I first saw it, they're like vocalizing. So they're like, why does he have corn in his backyard? You know, like there's that corn stalks and stuff. Yeah, wait a minute. Why do they have corn? I don't know. It's in California, right? Yeah, it's really, I mean, like the idea that the neighborhood is like under development.

is something, you know. But it's definitely like Simi Valley. Yes, I know. They wouldn't feel the dreams right outside there. And then also when Elliot's like walking around in his like long johns and stuff. I heard one of the kids go like, why isn't he wearing pants? But when it got sad near the end, I started noticing that kids like.

moving their heads away, lowering their heads down so that their friends wouldn't see them crying and hearing like, like when the music would drop out and you can hear people's like, collecting themselves from crying and stuff. And I had, you know, a good cry. That's why you watch ET. You just get to have a real good, good cry. That's maybe my first movie I remember making me. Remember crying at? I think so, yeah. Yeah. I remember when I first...

Because it is a weird thing when you're a kid. I saw it in the theater first round. Oh, lucky you. Yeah, I had never seen it in a theater before. I saw the re-release. like 20 years ago, but that was with all the digital touch-ups and the walkie-talkie stuff. But yeah, I loved it. Oh, but my point was that...

I'm seeing the, for the first time, I mean, I guess the VHS that I watched had the same photochemical treatment as the original movie. You know, there was no digital different color timing or anything, but. Yeah. I saw the movie in a whole new way. It looked. Has Mary seen it before? Mary has seen it. What age did you show her that? She saw when she was four or five. Yeah.

Yeah. But I could tell also, you know, when you're in a big theater with a group of people, you can just feel when people like click on. And I could tell. what made people click on. And this is true of every good movie and good movies should do this, which is just have some fucking recognizable.

behavior on screen when those kids start talking to each other like real kids do and it's like overlapping and they're swearing but they're also like i mean that dinner scene where um elliot wants to hurt his mom and says well i can't talk to dad he dad would believe me which is like a pretty snotty thing to say and then says well i can't talk to him because he's in mexico with sally and that's an amazing moment but then seeing his older brother

look at his mom to see how she's feeling about it. And then look at Elliot to be like, what are you doing? Then it cuts to Drew Barrymore and she's clocking all three of them. You could just feel in the theater, everybody be like, I've been at a dinner like this. I've been in a family situation. Like it was so from that point forward, they were locked in. That's tough, man. The Spielberg family dynamic thing.

gets me in such a new way having kids just because even this morning Amanda and I had a little disagreement and Glenn was right there and we're always very conscious after or during to just say like it's okay and after we make up just like we're all good and everything like that but just watching her at times watch it and you just like the shame oh yeah I mean there's a part in Close Encounters when he Richard Dreyfuss goes into the bathtub and he's upset

and then the son comes in and starts slamming the door and saying cry baby cry baby it's like that doesn't exist in i mean he gets painted as a cinnamon talent Yeah. But there's real stuff in those movies. And then, yeah, I'll feel this watching Spielberg movies, the kid stuff that he is able to evoke.

But I also feel when I watch John Hughes stuff as an adult, it's crazy when you're a kid, you just take it as a matter of fact that an adult would know this because you're like, I've experienced this. So of course an adult would know about it. But then as you get older, you realize how you like quickly forget that stuff because either repression or just memory, how it works. So it's like as an adult that when you watch something and you see.

I mean, Uncle Buck isn't even that great of a movie, but there's a part where he's like, did you brush your teeth? They're like, yeah. And he's like, well, you know, I have a friend in a crime lab. who he could run tests to see if you actually brushed your teeth or just ran it underneath the faucet. And...

As a grown-up, to remember the paranoia you might have, that they could run tests on your toothbrush to know, and then hold on to that and then make a joke about it. It's a real feat. It's cool. Trying to figure out when to show.

Glenn, certain things that I'm so excited to show her because you also don't want to jump the gun, one for their own safety, but just also like if they can't fully appreciate it, it's not the right time to show it to. So ET is one of them, but, and blowout, I'm still deciding. Glenn, don't judge my daughter. For whatever reason, she doesn't like it when people really get hurt, but she is so fascinated with processing the emotions behind people getting hurt or sad.

don't know why that's something she's so keyed into so i decided because she loves like when chitty chitty bang bang swerves to miss the kids and crashes and gets on fire she's obsessed with that Like right on, this is cool. No, like she just wants to watch the part where the car bursts into flames. Or in Soul, the Pixar movie, when the man falls in the hole. And we watch that over and over and over.

And I go, all right, I think I have the perfect thing for what I thought of it with all this SNL 50 anniversaries. So I've been showing her Mr. Bill and she loves it. Oh, that's awesome. That's great. I forgot Mr. Bill has a bunch of stuff like. a giant bag of cocaine falling on Mr. Bill and stuff like that. But then later, cause you can watch a mix on YouTube and then it's like.

like Radisson hotel commercial campaign. So I don't, it's so all over the place, but she, can we watch the thing where the guy gets hurt? Mr. Bill gets hurt. I mean, for a good, like. two years uh leslie and i will we remember this and we talk about it mary when she would go to bed she would be comforted at the end of the day by us sharing stories about times we've been hurt oh yeah glenn does that yeah it was like tell me tell me about the times you've been hurt

And we would just like list off the five stories and it was like comforting. It would like relax her. She's big into that renown, but now she's demanding them to be longer and about fire. And even if like I'm out of fire stories, tell me the same ones. She's like, give them to me again. Yeah. I guess it must be the same thing as like.

a scary Grimm's fairy tale like whatever the feeling of like well that ain't me I'm glad I'm in this bed right now and cozy so night night but there's just no way to know what's going on in those little brains but it is cute. Yeah. But yeah, this was my, I had seen Carrie before, but this was also my first written and directed.

pure to palma movie that you ever watched yeah and i worked at a video store we got free rentals and i remember my friend john and i we picked like three videos off to go home and watch and i had heard about blowout and uh when i came home and uh watched it it was just like how old would you have been i was like 17 16 or 17 and it was like I mean, when I was watching this movie, I'd say outside of Indiana Jones movies, De Palma movies are the most fun.

They are fun. To watch. Yeah. And like to watch with a friend or have a talk to a friend about them. They're just like really fun movies. That's why I'm so, it's so hard for me. just personally to wrap my head around the full diploma cannon, because it, it itself has specifically wise guys. It itself has this like, broad spectrum but even within a movie i wrote a note in this opening sequence which i just love yeah or satire is is it

equal to, greater than, less than De Palma fantasy? Is it just a double convenience that he gets to make a horror satire, but it also feels like an excuse for him to do his kind of lurid... And are those mutually exclusive? Is one more than the other? Is he cloaking one within the other? Yeah. Or is it just both are on display? He has a kind of Rorschach test to me or a Mona Lisa smile that in certain movies that are at their best like this. Yeah.

I can't really tell. Yeah. Movies that flip over to Raising Cain and stuff where you're just like, okay, this is just him kind of jerking off. Yeah. That's where he loses me. But then it's kind of fun when they go so far that way. Yes. Body Double is that. version to me that's just skewing more towards his lurid side in a kind of indulgent way that...

I can't watch it as a good movie, but I can certainly watch it as a like, whoa, this is fascinating and I enjoy watching it. Yeah, it's funny with this opening sequence how it does go from like... zero to a hundred in a pretty close amount of time like just the amount of stuff it piles on because you'll have like two girls

Two bosomy girls. Just jiggling. Dancing and jiggling to a disco song. Not even dancing. They're just straight up jiggling. And then the best thing that I don't remember of the last time, I laughed so hard when the killer. leans into the mirror and he just looks like some kind of like Stephen King guy that, but he looks so meek and it feels like he's just going.

Hi, guys. Hello. Oh, God, it's so good. He's got that little windbreaker, too. It's so good. But also, his arms are kind of... pinned in his body and he's got the knife and he just seems like the sweetest slasher you'll ever see and I would love to see a movie with the sweetest slasher yes I mean and the Swedish slasher so his hands are different yeah His hands are Muppety. But yeah, as slasher fans, I mean, this is like heaven. This opening is so great because also just on a...

Cinemagraphic level, it looks like Terror Train. It really does. It has those kind of like gauzy. Yeah. But then, yeah, I love like Jiggling Girls. Then a couple having sex. Right away. Like they don't start and then you come back. Right. Yeah. And then there's a part where the. point of view just looks into a room quickly and a woman just like masturbating. It's so like boyhood. This is what I mean. And I can't tell if it's satire on his or it's really like.

I can say I'm doing satire, but I really want to do this. Yeah, because then at the end, it ends with the shower thing, which within the last five years of his career in that moment would have been the third. shower scene because there's the one in the opening of Carrie and there's the one in the opening of this so to your point of like what is this is it like hey De Palma fans

You're going to enjoy that this is the third movie I have with a girl in a shower and you like psycho, which is a girl in a shower. So this is just like more of like, I, I think it's like, yeah, isn't this stuff fun? Let's put it on screen, but like the parody stuff too gets confusing because it's shot with way more sophistication than. a B movie at that time. Yeah. That's what's hard to figure out is I never doubt that De Palma is in control. Right. But I do doubt that he has blind spots.

I think he has some blind spots and doesn't, he's focused on certain things very heavily that other things fall by the wayside. So the girl masturbating case in point. Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but I feel like the door's open. She's on a couch in this sorority house. But the couch is like...

three feet from the door. She's not even like deep in a dark room. She's on full display that anybody walking down the hall. Anybody walking by would have noticed. So I understand you have to take shortcuts for cinema's sake. Plus we're looking at a satire of a horror film. So there's a lot of levels where you can plausibly deny things. But even with that, I'm still like, De Palma, you dog. You dog. But also that this language would evolve, like the fact that.

this movie was made Brantley's notes, November 1st, 1980, which I thought was interesting that it would have been just a few days before the presidential election. So whatever was in people's brains at this time, you know, but you know, Friday the 13th would have been out for maybe six months by that point. Halloween.

Yeah, and Halloween had been out only for a couple of years. So the fact that slasher movies were formulized enough by that point that you could even... The phenomenon had started, but the... iterations hadn't really right so he he's getting ahead of that but i'm sure someone as savvy as de palma knew about this sensation and could pick out and distill the tropes of the genre and say like here's what they're going to be also like

hey, I love those tropes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the use of the Steadicam, which I guess was the first time he had used a Steadicam, which would have been, I guess, by that point. It would have just been a few months after the shiny. Yeah. Right. But, um, the, uh, and in general, whatever the time period of this stuff is to like, um, Oh, what you were saying sort of like.

It hasn't been sequelized yet. It's not like slasher movies are enough of a thing that you know the tropes, but he's got an eye enough on the future to know maybe where stuff is headed. I feel the same way with whatever kind of snapshot of the times that this movie is because the movie wasn't successful.

suggested that it's because of the downbeat bummer ending that people aren't excited they don't run out of the theater and tell people to go see the movie even if like the 100 minutes before that were thrilling it's just hard to like maybe word of mouth wise tell somebody to go see this movie that ends as a bummer but I also just think it's like oh this was you know July So it was a few months into the Reagan administration. A lot of that stuff looks like.

oh this must have been percolating in his mind around like the bicentennial that's what it felt like yeah all that stuff all the holdover of the flag stuff it feels and doesn't john let's go have a like a big button yeah i can't think like this was set during the bicentennial but was there some big liberty bell festival in 81 or something it just seems to me that this is it's a way to kind of like talk about what the bicentennial was yeah but it's interesting because in that

oh an eye on the future stuff like lithgow in that in the end he's like he looks like a young republican or something he's got like this short cropped hair and the button and suit and stuff but And, you know, if people are like, if America had sort of turned the page by this point, like we're past Watergate. We got a new Republican president who's not Nixon.

I know that his reelection was the more it's morning in America stuff. But if there was a feeling of like, Hey, let's move on from cynicism or dourness or something like this movie just wouldn't have. hit in the same way maybe even if it had come out just a year and a half before this but in a weird way It also seems to be like a snapshot of what was happening at that moment. Why we're in the situations we're in now.

of just like, oh, whatever, you know, it could be debated, but I feel like whatever kind of cockamamie partisan world we live in now. seems to be more borne out of Reagan becoming president than Nixon trying to steal campaign secrets from the Lockheed Hotel. Yeah, that certainly has not bothered people.

Historically. Yeah. But the idea of a guy who comes in and is anti-union and changes tax laws so the rich get richer, the middle class gets squeezed out, all that stuff was... happening while that movie came out it's just like so now when you watch that stuff the patriotic stuff does have a different it's not bicentennial stuff necessarily but when you watch it you're like oh this

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Definitely have to watch it again. First of all, I remember very little, but I know that it went over my head. I had seen the conversation before I saw Blowout, so there was stuff that I was like, oh, this feels like some... continuation of like the conversation but with like JFK and Chappaquiddick stuff attached to it but like the attempted assassination of Reagan was in March of

So the movie coming out, you know, there was some sort of assassination stuff going on. Yeah. But yeah, anything else with that? opening no but just the cut to them in the sound booth because Like you'd be watching it and her scream is pretty lame and you don't realize that's on purpose right away. So you're just kind of like, what is going on? And then the payoff of them.

talking about it is really great yeah when she started screaming the first time i remember seeing that and she screamed i was like what? Yeah. And then it cuts to him laughing. You're like, okay, that was intentional. That's why I think this movie really won me over because I watched this after we did body double and I'm watching this opening sequence go, okay.

diploma and like it worked he suckered me yeah yeah like he's just crazy enough where i was like okay this is straightforward diploma here yeah and then for him to call it out as a joke Then I was like, okay, then I'm wrong. Right, yeah. I mean, I saw this in the theater about a year ago, a revival screening of it.

When she screamed like that, it got a huge laugh in the theater. That was cool. And then it's neat. Yeah. When they go to that studio there, it's, it is like, it does two cool things. It's like sets up how.

A novice watching this might not necessarily know sounds have to be added along with what was recorded on the set. So just the way they kind of set that up by showing the little... levels on the soundboard and you can bring one down, but that it also sets up this thing that will be the kind of gut punch ending in that exact same thing.

it sets it up as like a, Oh, you got to get the scream. And I was thinking just watching it recently, how, because all the scream stuff is always played for laughs. So.

oh, you laugh when her scream is bad. We got to get a new scream. And then auditioning girls and he listens to three screams and he goes, none of them. And then he comes in and the girls who are trying to get the screams and they're like choking each other. All of that is... never played for like not a laugh it's always funny so when the ending yeah is the ending with the it's even more of a gut punch because like you were playing this for last the whole time i know i mean but just the

emotional implication of this guy who loved this woman ostensibly. We don't know his full justification for using this scream. It's like we assume it's to honor her in some way. but it's a pretty fucked up way to honor someone who's just been killed. So you are again left with that De Palma funk that kind of like, oh, I kind of get it, but these are gross people, but that's also very touching. Yeah.

God, every De Palma movie leaves you feeling so complicated and part of the dirtiness. You're never innocent after a De Palma movie. And the character, too, in this, it's interesting how he gets implicated. He's guilty of wiring that guy incorrectly, the cop, so he dies. And then just, I guess it's a little like vertigo how the same tragedy happens twice and you expect like, oh, he'd learn his lesson the first time. The fact that it happens.

Again, and he wires the girl a second. He wires somebody a second time and it leads to their death. It's like, get this guy a break. Maybe just stick to movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The titles that he mentions, though. We've worked on Blood Beach. Yeah. Blood Beach 2. There's a poster for one that I loved. What was it? I wrote it down. I'm sure of it. Oh, yeah.

I saw a movie poster in the lobby that was called Squirm. Squirm, yeah. And then The Boogeyman, but that's a real one. Yeah, that's right. Lore of the Triangle. lure lure of the triangle and it's picked close up of a bikini bottom with a ship sinking into it so like bermuda triangle but really it's just i want that poster i don't really but

That one is so like, there's no pun. It's just like taking that, you know, the Bermuda Triangle was so big back then. Oh my God. Those posters are impressive. Sometimes when... they do like a fake poster in a movie, they'll kind of half-ass it. Those look like legit. That almost made me think, are they real? Yeah. Yeah. Let's watch Laura of the Triangle next. Oh, my God. But then he mentions Bordello of Blood, which ends up becoming a real movie.

Bordello of Blood is written by Robert Zemeckis and Bob Gale. Oh, I didn't know that. And I can't find this script online, but in like 1986. Steven Spielberg was going to produce a movie written by Robert Zemeckis and Bob Gale and directed by Brian De Palma called Carpool.

And it was supposed to be like a rear window in a car. So I imagine somebody's at a carpool and they see another car, something happened in a car. I can't find the script though. I'd love to read carpool. That'd be amazing. Yeah. All right. Internet. Find us that script. And the fact that these movies are being made in Pennsylvania is interesting that there's this like, I mean, the only person I could think of who's making like low budget.

horror movies in Pennsylvania at this time is like George Romero. At this time, yeah. M. Night Shyamalan. He does all his movies. Do you think... Jack Terry did the sound for M. Night Shyamalan's movies. Probably this old indie veteran. And then he asked for a new win, but then this awesome.

credit sequence. Oh yeah. The little meter. Yeah. It's so good. Um, I looked up who did the credit sequence, Matt, and it's Greenberg associates. Oh, is that like a graphic design firm or something? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, They've made some other title sequences that are similar to Blowout, and you'll see them and you'll go, oh, it's a blowout. They did the one for Goodfellas. Oh, but Saul Bass designed that, though, right? Yeah, but they must have...

Because Goodfellas has that one where it runs by, but the sound is connected to the words going by. Like Blowout does that same thing too. It goes... And then also Alien. Oh, wow. The slowly emerging letters in Alien. Also did Die Hard, Home Alone. Okay. That Home Alone credit looks like... A slowed down version of the Blowout logo. Yeah. Yeah. The Untouchables. Ooh, the Untouchables ones are amazing. Aren't those awesome? The shadows. Yes. And the music. Yeah.

and body double and never see never again and oh the dead zone credits i don't know if you remember those those are very similar too like it was like um it starts on the letter and inside it is like different landscapes. It's kind of like the Stranger Things logo, but the Dead Zone one. But Greenberg Associates, they seem to be on top of their shit. And then the credits see some great names in there. George Leto, he was a producer. Brian De Palma's agent. Ann Roth.

Who's that? She did the costumes, but... And Roth is a... He's done a lot of great work. And then Pino DiNaggio doing the music. Another great Pino DiGrigio score. Paul Hirsch, the editor, who did, you know, he edited Star Wars. uh, Ferris Bueller and stuff. Um, Paul Silbert, uh, Wilmos Zygmunt. Uh-huh. And, um, Yeah. And then when after the credits, it took me a long time watching Blowout before I noticed this. But they do a lot of clever stuff when he's like.

getting all the different sounds ready to prepare before he goes out to record new sounds. Like the first time the governor shows up on screen, it's that split screen. So you see Jack on the left and the. TV screen on the right. When the governor shows up on the TV screen, Jack plays like a gunshot sound. Oh, yeah. And then when they show the governor later, they do like body fall sound effect. Yeah. And then...

You even see a little introduction of that character, Frank Donahue. Oh, yeah. The newscaster, he's there in that scene and then he pops up later. He's great. oh god i love him i know and i love that he believes him you know yes this is my one the in a movie i love and just because uh movies A favorite doesn't mean it's perfect or like the best. It's just a favorite. But the... 10 to 15 minutes section near the end of the movie where John Travolta, Jack doesn't.

believe what Frank Donahue's up to with meeting Sally and he's like I'm gonna wire you that way he can't fuck me over it just The characterization of Frank Donahue doesn't line up with that at all. Frank Donahue is like the nicest guy in the movie. Yeah. And he's always believing Jack that Jack makes this leap.

that something's fishy is weird to just like, see how your conspiratorial mind goes crazy when you feel like there's, I guess, but that, that Jack wouldn't feel like he couldn't just accompany her. Like, why wouldn't he just walk up with and be like, hey, Frank, me and her are going to be together. Or he wouldn't take the tactic of being, I am never going to let her out of my sight. This is your icebox moment. Yeah. Yeah.

That he waits in the car listening even and doesn't even just go into the train station, kind of hang back to like watch what's happening. I do agree with you that. the thing you can say is just like oh he's he's starting to lose his mind and so he's not on top of it because jack up to this point is so smart but also like wise about

that he could get fucked over. You'd think he'd just be a little sharper in this moment. The only thing I can say is that the fact that he chooses to wire her in the exact same way that he did with the cop. You could also see it as like some sort of in a Freudian, like unconscious way. He's trying to fix.

the mistake he made before by replicating it and being like, this time I'll get it. Even if I kind of do the same things I did before, I'll lick it. I never thought of that. That's fascinating. But it's not.

It really, really frustrates me in the movie when he makes the choice to wire her and then hang out in the car. Especially because Frank Donahue is such a sweetie pie. For some reason, that never... pinged to me my my weakness for this film was fortunately is nancy allen and i think it's not her as an actress it's the characterization she's giving almost kind of like a well how you going you know just the kind of like

broad you know i just i felt like she seemed too childlike to me or something and i don't know i took me out a little bit uh remember Paul is going to appear on a future episode of bananas for Bonanza. And you mentioned that. Sally is the name often given to a character that is not fully developed. And it's funny because it came up earlier when you're talking about E.T. Yeah, he's in Mexico with Sally. And that this character's name is Sally. I wouldn't say the character's written.

has some dimension i would say so that's why i find it a little weird that she's playing it a little how would you describe it i don't know i wanted it a little bit more i wanted her a little more um earthy and savvy or something yeah I hear you yes I get there are people like that like there's no no and it's interesting after because it's a year after Dressed to Kill came out and in Dressed to Kill she's playing

a call girl. And in this, you can tell they're trying to distinguish it a little different by being like, I never slept with them. I would just get them in embarrassing situations. I guess so. She's a dupe. So she never feels like she has agency. She's so good in Robocop. I know she's a good actor. It's just the characterization. Well, and that, whatever that voice is, I'll say for any actor.

When I'm watching, whether it be a high school play or a TV show or a movie, anytime an actress uses the like Betty Boop voice. it it's the equivalent for me of like a guy doing a tough battalion. It's just like, it's an easy like voice that you can just have in your back pocket and pull out. That's what I felt like. It felt like that.

Yeah, my favorite part of her voice is when she goes like, maybe we could go see Sugar Babies. I know. And then when she's got a scene with Dennis Franz and you've just got those, like, might as well be watching Guys and Dolls. I can't do it right now. Yeah. He's like, uh, All this animal talk. Did you eat a box of animal crackers on the way over? Did you have a box of animal crackers? Yeah, I mean, I I like how their dynamic is different than.

Travolta and Allen's and in Carrie, because in Carrie, they're the two mean fuck-ups. And in this, they're sweet with each other. And I like the choice that they don't sleep together. the thing one thing they share is like a kiss at the very end when he says goodbye to her yeah um and uh they're um her like uh um her first scene It is like such a curious way to introduce a character where she's like, she is like drugged up and childlike. That I...

I thought her portrayal of being drugged up was amazing. Oh, I love it. Yes, yes. She sobered up. Yes, yes. Or maybe there were lasting effects. My favorite scene of the two of them.

is the one in the very cozy bar later with the wood paneling and the neon beer signs. To see a character smoking a cigarette in a... bar underneath a neon beer sign is like so comforting yeah but um i don't know if you remember there's like a little exchange there where she goes so how did you get into this line of work and then he goes uh To be honest, I don't know. And then she laughs. I read an interview with her where she said that was improvised by John.

Who'd like forgot his lines or didn't have his characters. No, he was just being playful. I think he probably realized like, Hey, this needs a little bit more fun here. So I like it. Cause it seems. like a true way that people will just be kind of goofy with each other. We'll be like, how did you get into sign of works? Like, I have no idea. Ha ha ha. But, uh, that, uh, it's a real moment between them. And then I love at the end too, when he like,

He's like, come on, I want you to do this. She's like, I'll think about it. And then he like whispers in her ear and you don't know what he says. She's like, oh, okay, I'll do it. I'll do it. All that stuff is like. why you hire John Travolta? Like nobody would bring that level of, uh, sweetness to the performance. Um, the, um, uh, now.

When Jack goes on the bridge and starts recording stuff, that's one of my favorite. It's so good. I don't think the first time I noticed Dennis Franz in the trench coat up there. Yeah. How cool is that? Huh? Yeah. For people who didn't see it. Yeah, after the blowout and the car goes in thing, you see Dennis Franz crawl out underneath the bridge and run away. It's a really long shot. Yeah. I didn't notice it until the third or fourth time I watched the movie.

And for the longest time, I thought it was John Lithgow. But it is Dennis Franz. And then the Lithgow part, though, is the watch sound. Do you... Okay, this took me many watches before I realized how cool this is. When he's recording, he hears that... And that's...

John Travolta's watch that you don't find out it can make that sound until he's in the train station before he strangles the prostitute. John Travolta's watch? Oh, sorry. John Lithgow. Yes. Sorry. Yeah. That little sound is John Lithgow's watch. Yeah. But you hear it before the blowout. Oh, wow. And then later when he goes in the hotel room and listens to it.

he hears that sound and he goes, you can see in his eyes, he's like, what is that sound? Oh, wow. And the first few times I watched the movie, I thought it was just an animal sound, but it is his like, and then you hear it again. Before he goes in to switch the tires in the, when he sneaks in and throws that tire in and then replaces the tire right before he appears on. Oh, bless you. In the back seat, before he pops up in a back seat, you hear a little. Oh my God.

Yeah, so that's cool. That's really cool. So you hear Lithgow's watch and you see Dennis Franz in that little opening. It gives you the clues. Also, they keep calling Nancy Allen's character. What's her name?

Sally. Sally. Right. Yeah. We already talked about it. Lucky, right? They keep saying you're so lucky. Oh. And she's wearing a lucky rabbit's foot necklace the whole time too. Oh, whoa. I never noticed that. Makes me think about it. That was such a big thing when we were kids. Rabbit's foot. How weird. is that though when you really think about it you're wearing a severed rabbit's foot as a necklace it's like one step away from wearing ears of your war victims

Yeah, wearing severed anything is weird, but then to do it for luck. And to have it still have the fur. It's one thing if it's just like a, I don't know, a horn or something. Were those real? Are they real feet? I think so. And maybe it was because whatever, it was like an unused part. Like there was rabbits you could use for food and then the fur for coats, but nobody could do anything with the hooves.

or feet or whatever yeah so that some brilliant person was like what if we market them for luck my mom was telling me you know my mom grew up on a farm with um eight siblings and so um they grew and raised you know their own food that they ate and stuff my mom tells a story about how like the first time she ate

chicken that wasn't from their farm, it didn't taste like chicken because it had chemicals or whatever processing stuff added to it that it didn't taste like the chicken that they would kill and then cook in their house. But she was telling me that when they would clean the animals out, her and her siblings would fight over who got to clean the gizzard. Oh. Because you could like open it up and find like. rocks and sand in there of the stuff that like they ate but couldn't

process. So what I'm saying is instead of a lucky rabbit, it should have been a lucky gizzard. A gizzard sack. Hey, rub my lucky gizzard sack for luck. I love the hospital scene. Yeah. That almost has like, what's the Italian movie with the witch? The witches. We watched it. Suspiria. Suspiria. Yeah. Like the like weird red neon lights on glass that has like rain on and stuff. It's such a. The rain is great. Giallo mood. I know. And.

Travolta has like three really standout moments. That bar scene that I talked about, I think is like a standout acting performance. The scene later when he's like. trying to convince her that there's a conspiracy is like, but the thing is they're going to close the book and all the loose ends are going to drop off, including you and me, you know, it's like such a passion and that's an amazing performance. But I think like.

oh, he's one of a kind, nobody else would play this scene in that way, is in the hospital scene when the cop talks to him, when the campaign manager talks to him, and then how he talks to Sally. It is so like, you wouldn't push this guy around. He is tough, but he does seem to have some thoughtfulness. I know it's very nuanced. And cause to think that this was.

Originally, I think De Palma was thinking Pacino and someone else. Dreyfus. Their wheels would have been turning a little bit too much for either of them. travolta's really understated you know yeah there's no like histrionics to it yeah i love his like line delivery of that part where the guy goes um and i

It's one of those line readings that sticks in my head when I'm encountering a situation where somebody's trying to be dishonest about what happened or trying to change the facts. He goes like, Well, that is the truth, right? That is what happened. Yeah. Like that, like delivery is like so.

matter of fact but it doesn't have whatever that right what Pacino would be it was sort of this like histrionic like but and then his scene with Sally like how tender he is to her yeah and it doesn't have any lust to it it is like it does feel like more siblings or something yeah that's another thing about travolta is like he can be sexual but he can also be kind of asexual yeah in a way

I mean, I know there are a lot of rumors about him. A lot of that stems from Scientology and whether he's straight or gay or who cares or whatever, but. I mean, it's why Danny. There's not an asexuality to him. There's almost just like a. It's distanced. Yeah. Distanced or like a private or a walled. It's more warmth. He has a sexuality. Yes. Yeah, you're right. It's why Danny Zuko in Grease like.

works and it really only works with him because that guy could easily be like right lechy he doesn't lead with it he kind of has to increase because it's part of the character but like in roles like this He's not leading with sexuality. He's leading with tenderness or something. And that's really rare, especially at this time in the late seventies, early eighties. Yes. Yeah. I think tenderness is probably the word that he does have that like.

most romantic leading men wouldn't necessarily have. Yeah. Especially someone who's been, was like first known as a heartthrob and yeah. Right. And kind of like, Yeah, that's like Vinnie Barbarino or something. Yeah, and teen magazines all over the place. The Boy in the Bubble and Grease. He's got a song that I listened to that came out during his singing career in the late 70s called Let Her In.

And talk about like sensitivity and tenderness. The whole song is about like, Hey, I haven't allowed love in my life, but I like this girl. Enough that I'm going to let her in, going to let her in, let her into my life. Letter in my life. You've intrigued me. It's really good. The... So then they go to that motel set with the red and blue diamond wallpaper. Yeah. Which I noticed pops up later in the scenes. Uh-huh.

when he's looking through the old photos. Yeah, I noticed that too. That wallpaper's there. So that just means that's the room. That's the place where their whole scam takes place. And then it has that awesome... recreating the memory of what, from his point of view, always listens. Yes. Day after day. This is exactly the production style. I love these strings. Isn't his voice so sweet?

Oh, this is a total Gourley jam. It really is. Might as well be a townland song. Will you cover it, please? Yes. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, when a singer goes mm-hmm. Wow. Maybe he was talking about Nancy Allen there. Yeah. De Palma shoots audio equipment like naked women. And I think that's where I can really get on board with his lustful. The fetishizing of the tech stuff is so good in this movie. I mean, don't get me wrong.

woman loving man whatever I like seeing naked women but I love seeing naked audio equipment what would you so if heterosexuality means to like different. Homosexuality means to be attracted to the same. What is it like? Technosexuality. Yeah, maybe technosexuality. Wanting to have sex with the audio equipment. That feels very Giger-esque. It's not that. There's something about vintage audio equipment, especially. And seeing him thread it.

It's the machined aluminum parts that you just don't see anymore. Yes, yes. And the different types of metal, like all aluminum trim and working parts, but any casing is like...

hammered steel. It's just when there's almost always not only a leather strap, but a leather case that somehow is half engulfs it and half opens up. Yes. Yes. It is so good. Yeah. And the colors is always like a. industrial gray green and you know brown kind of yeah is it do you think like is the aluminum for aesthetic value or is it like sound is better no I think it's because you could machine aluminum easier so like steel you can machine steel which means to like

take a chunk of steel and cut it down to its working part or you can die cast steel it's a lot easier to die cast steel it's probably way too expensive and aluminum is lighter and probably way easier to cut so there's a lot of machined aluminum and it's you can tell it's machined because it always has really fine lines it's not super smooth and you know die cast isn't super smooth either but they could be buffed out

but aluminum always just has that like, or they're like, there's like a circular spiral look to it too. Yeah. I love that stuff. And then the, the sound of the. cartridges and the cardboard and those little cardboard sheets or whatever that you put them in yeah boxes yeah um uh I do like the part where Sally, when she's up and awake and she's talking about Barbra Streisand and she goes, I know how to fix her face. That's funny because everybody would have been talking about that at that time.

I worked with a DP once who told me he...

I was joking. I was like, hey, do you use any Streisand effects when you have to light me? And he was like, you know, it's funny. I did work with Barbra Streisand once, and I... did the homework of knowing her preferred lighting pattern so when she walked that's just out there yeah like i guess he maybe called up a dpu worked with her or something and when she walked on set it wasn't like a movie i think it was like a you know a psa or something but when she walked on

she looked around and noticed where all the lights were. And she was like, good, this is good. You know, then the introduction of Dennis Franz real quick. Yes. I just want to note that. When Lithgow shoots the tire out of the car, it fully makes sense for the movie, but he shoots the opposite side. He shoots the tire farthest from him and the hardest to hit.

Because we need to see the gunshot and the tire. And it's going this way. He would normally... Yeah, you're talking about when John Travolta is like... in that composite shot is sort of like imagining where it would be, right? And you see it from behind the car. Yeah, but you see when he blows up the footage, I think, right? Or maybe it is just imagination, but he would shoot the tire closest to him.

You're right. Not under the car. Under the car. To the opposite tire. Yes. It's just, I mean, it makes sense because that's how you'd have to film it. Because you couldn't get both the shot from John Travolta's. you would have to shoot over the shoulder of the shooter to see him shoot the car.

that side of the car. Right. But then if he shot the tire, that's more on his side that you wouldn't see the blowout on the film. Exactly. That's funny. It's kind of like the shadow in Raiders of the Lost Ark that we talked about on the commentary. Oh, when he walks up, it gets... Yeah, it's better for the film, but it doesn't make sense in real life. I love Dennis Franz as scumbag Zapruder. Oh my God.

Do you ever wonder what Zapruder, if he was a real scumbag? Check it out. We got you covered. Then the...

That animation sequence, yeah, when he's cutting out the pictures, that does seem to be a bit of a leap in... It has to be. Not logic. Because there's no guarantee that they're printing frames with a... equal interval right so just for him to put those together doesn't mean that that's the time lapse of the event yes but that's okay i mean yeah i know it is a thing i'm willing to like look past but

If he's shooting like 16 millimeter film or something, that's like 16 frames per second. And so if he was going to cut out. That's not what 16 millimeter means. No, you're right. Isn't it like 20? It's like 24. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And were they printing every frame? Because it wasn't like they were printing the film strip. They were printing just select photos. Single frames. And so when he then later watches it and it runs like.

Yeah. It would be more like, it should run like how when a kid does a little doodle flip book in class or something, but oh well. I guess, but they do take pains to show him centering everything to the millimeter. So if he had those images, it just would have to be that the intervals between the shots are equal for it to make sense. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they printed enough. I think the harder thing to believe is that this magazine would print every single one of these photos.

opposed to just choosing. Because when Life Magazine did that with the Zapruder film, they didn't do each. I don't think so. I mean, we'd all be making flip books. I know Oliver Stone must have been. The girl's auditioning. He meets her at the train. Talked about De Palma's train.

Oh, I have to tell you something. So normally when I sit down in here to watch a movie now, I have a light setting in this room because the lights in the ceiling and the shelving and everything are all controlled by Philips Hue. For this one, I put on like... The most De Palma-esque lighting in here. It was... Let me see if I can...

Did you also dress up like the Native American from Body Double when you did? Oh, yes. That's awesome. I think I had more reds, but it's like blue and red. I didn't know you could do this with the lighting, Matt. For those of you who can't see it. I'm looking up and the lights are blue and green and you can make them red too. Oh yeah. You can do anything. This, this is just one I happened to like pull from their gallery, but I can custom.

Do them too. Can you live screamers see this? This is cool. You could have like a little disco here. Oh, you could. And you can make these respond to music too. Really? Yeah. And watch the shelving. See the shelving up there is doing like a candle flicker up there. Oh, yeah. Look closely. Oh, look at that. Yeah. So if I started singing Dreams by the Cranberries, it would start like.

Only that song. I don't know how you pulled that one song. Then they go to that bar. Okay, then the sequence that was... unfilmed scene for Prince of the City that Brian DePaul had conceptualized. And then he didn't get to do Prince of the City, so he just took the scene.

of the guy who he wires. Yeah. That's just some real movie time. It's good stuff. When somebody just tells a story. A little movie with a movie. It felt very Tarantino. Yeah. Yeah. Especially Reservoir Dogs. Yes. Yeah. Pulp Fiction. Yeah. Yeah. And I love the. it's not I mean it's indulgent to like go and do a little like your own little cop

undercover cop sequence in a movie, but it does have some, it's not entirely intelligent. You know, you now know what Jack's pain is, right? Yeah. Stuff he's dealing with. So as if that bar that they're in wasn't cozy enough, Matt, then they go to that shopping mall. Oh, yeah. Where... There's a set of escalators next to some rainbow banners. Yeah. Oh my God. I loved it. I mean, second only to the, Oh, you still haven't seen commando, the commando shopping mall where they have.

Like, I don't know if they're, they're not rainbow, but they're like colored tube balloons. Oh, I've seen the scene. Like never existed in a mall. Only achieve this plot point in this. I think it's the same mall as the one from Innerspace. Is it? my brother-in-law lives in Northridge and we went to the mall and I was like, hell yeah, I'm going to get to see the interspace mall. And he was like, they remodeled it after the earthquake. And I was like, Oh damn it.

So I had my sister divorce. Well, within your rights. The fun little trick here of the fake Nancy Allen lookalike. Yeah. And how many, what are the most famous versions of those in movies? There's been a bunch of those too. Doppelgager trickery. When you're like literally following someone and you turn them around, like grab their shoulder. turn them around yeah what do you have any in mind um no but they're just on the i guess in ferris bueller when um

Rooney thinks he's found Ferris Bueller playing the arcade game. Yes, that's exactly what. That's exactly what. Your ass is fine. Yeah. And it's a woman. Yep. I love how he stays there. He knows he should get sprayed on so he doesn't move. I was laughing about that recently watching a Seinfeld where George... gets caught eating dessert out of the garbage can. And it's similar to when he gets caught with shrinkage. It's a really funny choice, which is somebody...

walks in on him doing the thing and he doesn't throw the food out of his hand. He just holds it. Like he doesn't stop from looking incriminating and he doesn't pull up his pants when he's seen a shrieking. But then it's really funny. He doesn't start protesting until after the person's left the room. If you got caught doing something, you would immediately stop doing it. launch immediately into like, that was a, you don't understand, but it's anyway, it's like a good 30. The, when I,

It is funny when he flips over the girl in the most nightmarishly lit construction site of the world. It's like this. Yes, it is. It seems at first that he's made a mistake, right? Like you think, oh, he's after Sally, but it isn't until later that you're like, he was doing it to make it look like it was a series of sex killings. This guy's a real overachiever.

I mean, from the beginning. He's the anal retentive chef of the serial killers. When you learn he was not supposed to, what was he supposed to do? Just give them a flat tire so that they get caught, right? They weren't even supposed to go into the water, right? Right. Yes. Yeah. That guy who's so pissed off with John Lithgow. like be like you are totally going crazy with this dude we're just doing regular old political chicanery chicanery and you man you

You just want an excuse to go off the leash, you freak-o. And what an actor John Lithgow's character is. He does the southern telephone operator. He does the... The serial killer voice is like, I didn't want to do it. And then he does. The slick, sophisticated Frank Donahue performance. Only, I think, ever outdone by the next movie we're going to watch in The Line of Fire with John Malkovich and his characters. That's true. I mean, maybe it was a test run for Raising Cain. Yeah.

seeing all these different characters. Yeah, I could. You mentioning the next movie also made me think for all the intrigue movies we watched. Was it Patriot Games or this one next? Oh, Patriot Games is next, yeah. That... this is the first scene first movie we've had in this run where the person goes

To a person in charge is like, I think this is what's happening. The person goes, you're a conspiracy nut. We've had a couple of the, you don't know how high this goes, which is like a staple. You'd think you'd see more of these by now. Yeah. Yeah. But maybe because we've been watching ones where people are on the inside a little bit more. Right. So they know. Yeah.

if they have feelings of conspiracy, there's not many people telling them they're wrong. I think it's the only one we're going to get too. Cause I don't think we get them in the next time. That's true. Yeah. Uh, but we do get the, um, um, a line that's also a conspiracy movie we might get later, which is the like, don't you understand? They can do this. Who knows what else they can do? Which is also great. Yeah.

Linking the sound with the picture. Well, this movie has them in the train station when the sailor, he gets the most raucous blowjob I have. ever, ever seen. That boat booth. This boat booth is a rocket. Don't come on. I could try to wrap my head around it going, are they having sex? But no, he's standing up. She's down below. What is she doing to him?

I mean, even thinking like if you're into that, what is the pleasure benefit from that much? He's like bracing himself. Is she eating him? Maybe this. Yeah, it was like a test run for. species. She is eating him. The I The helmet that he's wearing, does it have a little Liberty Bell on it? No, that's Ma Bell. That's the old public, basically... I don't know if it was... It wasn't...

Was it a government institution or like a contracted thing? But before telephone lines were privatized. Yeah. How about that? Yeah. Pacific Bell. Telephones get privatized. I know. I remember when that happened. And I remember that was like, but the first time I went, cause I was raised in a Republican household. We weren't like right wingers or anything, but very much for privatization and probably anti-union and stuff. And I remember kind of going.

This doesn't feel right. So, yeah, probably some bureaucratic mess gets you not the best service once in a while, but... Once profit goes into this, this is going to be screwed. Well, I'm just thinking about then every other commercial became about telephone deals. Yeah. Think of how, I mean, you still see it now. cell phones and stuff but jesus christ in the 80s and 90s it was all about like trying to convince you what collect call system to use bonkers that's so wild i know

And what, one 900 party line to call. Oh, yeah. Or Santa. Remember I told you about recently the... the bad Halen song on their 91 album for an awful carnal knowledge. They have a song called the spank line. All you bad, bad, bad boys call her up. On the spank line. Oh, my God. Brian DePalma, are you listening? I mean, the music in this is great. But if Spank Light had been featured in Blowout, I do like the music that's like...

Oh, the bass line for the procedural. It was kind of jarring at first. I was like, this is weird procedural music, but then I really got into it. And then it has sometimes the little jazzy guitar. Yeah. Hold on. Oh, it's called Spanked, but still. Spanked? Gonna let her in. What? Gonna let her in. Oh, yeah. Okay, let's jump ahead here. This is the era of Van Halen with. I saw this concert twice. Oh my god.

And it wasn't two nights in a row you time traveled. What? You went to the same concert. Here's the pre-chorus. Thank God it has one. Here's more of the pre-chorus. Oh, my spank line. That was even saying worse than I could imagine it. Spank line. Spank line. Dr. Spank line speaking. Oh, God. Sammy Hagar is fucking cornball, dude. He thinks that's like rowdy. All you boys. And Pound Cake was their first single from the song, which Pound Cake is just a euphemism. Claspers talk.

And they had the balls to put on their deep philosophical song right now. That's what I don't like about Hagar. It's like be a party boy. Or be a philosopher. But you can't be both, man. You can when you're in college, friend. And that's what we got there. You can and probably only should be either one in college. Now. There's a lot of standout set pieces in this movie, but I think my favorite is that camera going 360. Yeah. That is fantastic. I have a question. Yes. If you could only visit...

in Philly, the Rocky steps or the steps of this final like murder where he's controlled is coming up those steps. What would you go? Hmm. Is that why, um, uh, um, What was the follow-up to Saturday Night Fever that Stallone directed? Was it called Stayin' Alive? Stayin' Alive, yeah. It was born in Philadelphia. They were like, if we could just combine the Travolta blowout with the Rocky. Yeah. Probably the Rocky steps, man. Yeah. What about you?

Rocky steps, I guess. I've been to this train station and I didn't even realize. Oh, really? This was like five or six years ago. I didn't even realize what cinema history I was. Did you go to the phone booth? Oh, did I? I couldn't. It was like going. from one side to the other. It was like a full audio meter like this. Someone was getting a blow job in there. It was like one of those used car balloon men. That's the last few things here. Yeah, like the...

The movie wrist may be kind of peaking with that 360 stuff. Yeah. The slow-mo stuff at the end is pretty great. Yeah. The stuff that saves it at the end is the Travolta. That whole extent, like I've seen a lot of stalk and slash sequences in movies, but that's one of the best is the one where he follows her to the phone booth and then follows her in the bathroom and then.

she's brushing her teeth while he's above her, all that stuff. Her little kicking of the feet at the end. Then the sound of the terminal cranks up automatically. You realize, oh, the sound's all gone down. It's just been music. And then when her feet start kicking and it goes like... That's so cool. But when she's also dealing with him and she doesn't know that he's bad yet and the tension you have watching is pretty great. Yeah, that feels like a real... I mean, I know...

He's seen as a rip-off artist of Hitchcock, but that's as good as any Hitchcock sequence, in my opinion. Yeah, it is good. that scene between Dennis Franz and Sally. When he's got a stage shirt and he's peeing with the opening door. And then trying to like put the moves on. Come on. What's the problem? He's in every way. Got a head for animal.

crackers and then when he's like come on you know how much they're gonna pay us to be using this we're set anytime somebody says we're set but the thing is his fate isn't that bad Like, think of how awful everybody gets it in this movie. He kind of comes out smelling like a rose. All he gets is a bottle smashed on his head.

But yeah, that's the last we see. Yeah. Then he's up and around, probably scumbagging it up some more. He really doesn't get like, it's just, what can I say when you got it? Look at me. I'm a lady killer. I don't need. to call up on the spank line? Did you hear they referred to the John Lithgow when they find that prostitute? A protest mutilation?

Yeah. I had never heard that. Well, because I even wrote a note going, why has he got the Garrett Garrett Garrett? Why has he got the ice? Why does he steal the ice pick if he's got the Garrett? But then they show him he kills her with the. He garrots her, and then he uses the ice pick to do his little message. His little design. Liberty Bell, is that what he does? Yeah. Oh, boy. The...

Yeah, and then my little complaint about it just doesn't seem in character for Jack to let her go off, but it's okay. It's okay. Great stalk and kill. Dirty Norman Rockwell. Earthquake blowjob. Him disguising himself as a conservative. Oh, I love all the little stuff of like, he's trying to hear where she's going. And when the train screeches.

over while she's trying to talk we can't hear either that's that's all dope um oh you know in the notes we found out that like this he wanted this diploma to be low budgeted and then travolta got attached and it says follow-up new movie to like this insane run of like saturday night fever greece urban cowboy and so the budget like spiked from eight to eighteen eight to eighteen uh completely like superfluous sequence is that parade chase.

Well, and then did you hear that in Brantley's research that they shot all that stuff. And it got stolen. The negative got stolen. They had to reshoot the parade. Reshoot it. But I'm like, that's the fates telling you, like, you don't need this. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Even the fact that he wakes up in the ambulance where the event is happening and they're just like a few feet away. Like, why would the ambulance go to where they were? Yeah.

It could have easily worked that he loses track of her at the train station. And he's like, oh, but I do know where she's going. And he zooms over there. that jeep chase is like i love it it must have just been feeling the need for spectacle i think that's what it is and it's just like oh the budget's bigger travolta's a star we need this like little chase in here but isn't it funny to think that footage is

If it was stolen, it probably is out there somewhere. Yeah. I mean, as an experiment, it would be really cool to run... The re-shot and the shot stuff just to see what kind of minor differences are. So if you find that script you're looking for, which one is it? Carpool. carpool or if you find the maybe it's at the bottom of the the bay where Lithgow threw in those tapes at the end oh yeah they're all there sitting in the bottom along with Jimmy Hoffa's body okay

So Jack just kind of becomes momentarily like insane in that part. He's like driving through a parade. I know. And just taking out willy nilly. He hits cops. But that last. 10 minutes, but he's chasing after her. It's so emotional. And when he's sitting in the snowy park, listening to her, and then he's in the studio and he's like,

rolling up the reel while he's listening to it. And then at the end, what an ending. I mean, that's a, and it kind of like freeze when he's like doing the little thing where he's upset. quickly like does a little freeze frame and then quick blackout yeah that feels 70s but also that whole that endy just wasn't

for its time. I mean, this was after Rocky. I just don't think people were in the mood for that. If it had come out 10 years before, it would have been kind of a cool downbeat ending for its time. It just doesn't... I love it, but... I think it's why it's aged well, because people can appreciate it. Yeah. I mean, I don't think a bad ending usually keeps people... Or an unhappy ending really keeps... But I do feel like in the case of Blowout.

It must have actually had... harm the success because it has that little reversal a little trick where you think he saved her and then he hasn't and then I think adding on top that he's used her scream for this shitty movie right was like America at that time was probably like I can't take this push and pull and it's it is reagan's america and they're probably just thinking like this is too seedy too seedy a manipulation of yeah of this woman's death or something well and then you compare it to

You know, it came out. I think Raiders is June 81. This is July 81. Right. And they both have endings that end with the conspiracy guys. Yeah. But I guess if. You walk down the steps with Karen Allen. Yeah. Not Nancy Allen. More steps. Then it feels like a happy ending. You're like, oh, indie. And Marion, they're going to go get a drink. It's okay. With this, though, it's like the conspiracy guys win and he loses the girl. Yeah. Good movie, though. Yeah. Love it.

What do you want to give it? Oh, I'll give it 13 out of 13. Nice. Yeah. I'll give it a 12. Okay. All right. Yeah. That was a really enjoyable. Yeah. What a hoot. What a hoot. So next time is Patriot games. Join us on Patreon games if you want to get more material or just call us up on the spank line. You bad, bad boys. Yeah, so I'm excited for Patriot Games. I've never seen it. Okay. I wonder if you'll... I watched it recently and I was kind of watching it through like...

If I ever force people to watch this, what am I not seeing about this movie that people seem to like clear and present danger more? I think it's this subject matter interests me more than... like a political drug conspiracy in South America, as opposed to Irish, British. with some revenge too, I believe. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm, uh, and I don't feel like you forced it on me. I always wanted to see Patriot. I mean, that's a great James Horner score.

The house that the Ryans live at on the coast of like Maryland or something is amazing. Beautiful. It's Harrison Ford post Star Wars indie, but probably like looking his dad best. Put on your dad best. All right. We'll see you guys next time. See ya. Bye. Bye-bye.

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