Creating Sacred Home Spaces and Embracing Ancient Wisdom with Angell Deer

Today we have on guest speaker Angel Deer , who is a international speaker , a author , as well as shamanic practitioner and teacher , and today he's sharing with us his personal journey , his story from becoming a corporate CEO , veterinarian , phd , into leading a life in balance with nature and balance and harmony with his spiritual practices , and really how his definition

of success has changed , one that includes patience and dedication and consistency and unconditional love of self . Here's a little sampler of today's episode , and I hope you do enjoy this conversation .

He's spent over nine years fostering this haven for individuals seeking connection to nature and ancient wisdom teachings , and he's also the author of the book the Sacred Web the Magical Craft of your Sacred Shamanic Space , and I'm really excited to bring him on today to discuss his book , his programs and all the things that are going on in his shamanic world .

So welcome to the call . Thanks for being with us .

For me , and that's a very more , I would say , more , animist than shamanic in many ways right , it's like every single felt so alive , I was fascinated thing ever felt so alive , I was fascinated .

My parents always said I just spent hours just picking up a piece of grass and looking at it and a little insect and trees and plants and rivers , and I always felt that I was in communication with them , but I didn't have the container for it or explanation in my upbringing or culture in some ways . And I guess along the way I lost that .

I didn't lose the connection , but I lose like , okay , this is important . I went into a corporate career I , you know , even launched my own businesses and then at some point I was quite sick . I was trapped into this success wheel , chasing some kind of recognition and money and many other things , and I felt really lost .

You know , I felt like there was such a wide space between my public image and what was on paper on my resume at the time and what was going on in my inner world yes , I basically felt I was dying , yeah , and I had many signs of it , many signs of illness psychological , mental , emotional and even physical and at some point the pressure became so big that

I decided to really quit all that , quit this world , and went on a quest and I spent many years with masters , teachers , in the jungle , in some quite remote places to heal myself . And I guess that's when I got in contact with what we call shamanic tradition , but I'd rather call them ancient wisdom traditions .

And then here I am in the jungle of Peru spending weeks doing deep work , and I meet those doctors that are very different than the doctors I knew of , that have very different methods and tools and medicines and ways of healing . But I witnessed magic .

I witnessed people coming with very advanced cancer and being healed in a few nights and people having depression their whole life , literally being on meds and getting off their meds a week after this work .

And I see all that and then I experience it for myself , also finding clarity , finding purpose and reconnecting to that childhood memory that I had about these visions and this connection to something beyond the physical world that was alive , that was benevolent , that I wanted to communicate . And then I came back .

I had no idea what I wanted to do with my life , because what I did the 20 for 20 years was , was not relevant anymore , and I started to study very deeply with teachers , others . Uh , you know , and long story short .

we're we get pulled back into spirit and going , okay , what's going on here , how can I heal myself ?

Like that was definitely my story as well , both on the you know , running , running , running , trying to keep up with the nine to five , the hustle bustle of the culture that we live in and suppressing our innate spiritual gifts , suppressing our true , authentic selves to like meet societal needs , and then , you know , everything gets torn apart and you have to kind

of face . You have to face your , your inner demons , you have to face what's coming up within yourself and the suppression has to stop . And so I see that often in our students and our clients and myself personally , that there's that huge transition of like breaking the cycle and coming back into our spiritual natures once again .

And so I love how your journey brought you to numerous teachers and how it was you cultivated a practice in these different regions I'm curious about when you returned home , well , one , where's your main base right now ? It's in New York , right .

And so there was , you know , a few years of transition to make that happen , right to purchase the land I'm living on , to build , you know , the retreat center , to build everything that we have here . And because of my transition from this one life as a CEO of a big company to , I guess , for many people feeling that , okay , where's that guy ?

What happened to you ? So , because of that , many people that I knew from my old world that were suffering from different things and seeing me happy and on purpose and excited and not stressed and very connected , people started asking me hey , can you help me ? This is what I'm dealing with , right .

So I didn't go into shamanic healing or offering rituals , offering teachings you know a lot of what I do is teaching those ancient cosmologies because I was like , okay , this is what I need to do .

It's because , you know , a lot of people started asking for it and I realized , oh , I really enjoy that and I want to share that , I want people to hear about that .

I come not everyone know about that , uh , and that kind of breached my old world of people that are in a very different um vibration , I would say an environment and this world that is very different , right , yeah , so I think that's always been . You know , a long time ago , a healer teacher told me you are going to be a bridge .

That's going to be your main path . Your path is going to be a bridge between different worlds and it's interesting because the shamanic work is your bridge between the seen and the unseen seen .

But I think for me it's also come on to bringing people that maybe are not spiritual , you know , or religious , or maybe a little bit , but they don't really understand any of that and they want somehow to access , uh , those kind of healings , but without being saturated or hearing words that they are allergic to , like a verbiage that is maybe difficult to

understand . And because you know I sat on the other side of the desk I would say , I think you know , for me the beauty of it is that I was able to put it in a format that was accessible .

You know , and obviously you have the , I would say , the more common crowd that is interested in spiritual work , shamanic work , that have done work like this and want to go deeper . There's also that .

I definitely find that when I worked for , you know , yellowstone club , which is like a multi-billionaire they own the top of the mountain when I was working in that clientele like they only want to do surface level I can't bring them too deep right Versus the people who are actually like really spiritual seekers .

And I'm wondering how has that been in your experience ? Are you finding the corporate people ready to do the deeper healing work or are they just still fascinated by the rituals , the plant medicine or whatever it may be ?

Oh , that's good to hear , because I think you know , there is such instability in the world that you cannot deny anymore and you can talk about the economy , you can talk about politics , you can talk about social unrest , you can talk about the environment .

I think for many people that are might be more sheltered from that because of their life , it's still become more and more obvious .

is all . There is , yeah , one of my clients that she's been a student for many years in the school . She's a woman that owns hundreds of businesses .

She's a billionaire , right , she's very wealthy , and she came to this work , you know , because she wanted the meaning that she didn't get from her wealth and her business running and all of that , and also realizing that the way she was was creating illnesses with her kids and problem with her communication with her kids and some of her kids starting to have a

lot of problems . And she was like , well , she wasn't , you know , seeing a psychotherapist and doing , but she was like I think I need something else . Yes , I need more in order to somehow heal those relationships , and that's how she came into it and I think that's very common .

I think most people , like you mentioned they might wait that something really big happened to make that change . Right ? So there's a big life crisis , there's a divorce , there's losing your job , there is something like that and you're going to be pushed into it , you're going to have to search right .

They often have people you know it's because of that is because they are in a deep crisis and they've tried everything else . It's not working and they are looking for an alternative right yeah , yeah so you know spirit , you one of my elder teachers .

She would say well , either you're going to jump into the raging river and the raging river is your purpose , it's your path , it's what's calling you or spirit is going to come and hit you with a two by four on the back of your head and throw you into it .

Then you wait , but very often that's very common something is going to come and push you right yeah I think , michael me to say that you know , because there was a traditional rite of passage in traditional societies , or initiation that was , you know , planned for you as you become a teenager , an adult , maybe a mother or father , an elder that the rite of

passage , initiation , in fact , they are weaved into the fabric of nature , they are weaving to our development and in a society that doesn't have initiation , that does not have rituals and rite of passage , the rite of passage is going to happen through you , it's going to happen to you .

Yes , right , you're not going to have elders around you , you're not to have any idea what's going on . You're not even going to have a name for it . You're going to call it maybe , I don't know , a mental collapse or a depression , but that's really what's happening . It's the soul that's trying to evolve .

life a little differently .

Are they aligned with their sacred purpose ? Right , so that's like two success there's an internal success , I would say , and an external success .

In our western world , we believe that if we achieve the external success , the byproduct is internal success and unfortunately that's not the way it works right and that seems very logical to me , by the way , 20 years ago , you know . And then seems very logical to me , by the way , 20 years ago .

And then we get a better job and we get more money and we just don't understand why this inner world is not really changing that much .

From a traditional perspective and I'm talking every tradition on the planet , every mystical tradition , christian mystics , sufism , you know Hebrew , I mean , buddhist , you can and the shamanic and native people around the world , they say no , no , no .

In order to have success , you need to have internal success , internal health , internal wholeness , internal connection , internal groundedness , many , many aspects and that , as a byproduct , will create a life out there that is abundant and successful .

Because , yeah , I think people kind of feel that because they're going to try to say , okay , let's do a bit of meditation , let's do yoga , or you know , what most people do is say , let's just go on holidays to feel better internally , right , but there's not really a true internal change of we are in our belief system .

So people kind of bounce back between this very stressed life and some pain medicine yeah , right , and everybody has their pain medicine , whatever it is to numb the pain and then return and don't understand why , within a few weeks or a few months , they are back to where they were . They don't experience true change .

Well , I think that was the big discovery is like oh no , the external success is not the problem . I'm not saying people don't make money , don't have cars , don't have big houses this is not the problem . I'm not saying people don't make money , don't have cars , don't have big houses this is not the problem .

But first you need to attend to that , because if you don't do that , you're going to suffer and both can live together . I'm not saying it means renunciation , it means becoming a monk or living in a cave . It has nothing to do with that and often people think that also those old ways and ancient ways say , oh , I don't want to go back live that way .

It looks like you know people living in a jungle or in a teepee , that's . That's not about that . It's about a connection to your heart , a connection to your soul . You know an inner state that is very balanced and then , yes , whatever you do in that life out there is aligned with that .

I wanted to do a first short , simple but deep book , and it's not a very long book , but I wanted to make sure there are really key elements in order to set up your home as a sacred space it doesn't have to be an altar , it can be just a whole space and to connect it to not only nature and the cycle of the seasons and many things that happen in the

sky , like the moon and all that , but also connected to your inner world , connected to what you are doing . For me , sacred space is not just when I sit for meditation or prayer , it is when I write , it is when I'm sitting with you here , it is when I connect to my young daughter . You know when she wakes up right .

So that's the environment in which I'm living .

From a shamanic perspective , everything carries life , vibration . Any object now , not just wasting trees and animals , but everything has a vibration , and your home is a huge one . In fact , in peru , people have a lot of practices and rituals in their house to make sure the spirit of the house is happy yes that's really important .

You know , I do a lot of house clearing for people and I go either because there is something in the house or because they just don't feel the house feels right , and it's very often because the spirit of the house is not really happy or the spirit of the land the house is sitting on is not happy . So we often do that by layers right .

So that's the first step . You need to have some kind of an environment that is reflective to the inner state you want to have If you want to feel really at peace inside . You might not want to go to Times Square in New York City . It might create a different experience than calmness and groundedness .

So your home needs to have somehow the feel of what you want to reflect inside yes , and that's why I call it weaving a sacral space , because we are weaving many , many different elements in order to bring that , and for me , that's the foundation of any practice .

It doesn't matter if you're spiritual or if you're religious or if you don't believe in any of it . You're going to feel it when you of it . You're going to feel it when you enter a room . You're going to feel that right .

How do we restore that space , how do we bring it back into energetic balance and how can we lift up that energy again ?

So it's all of the spaces in your home is high vibe and in flow and where I find it really interesting when I , when I do home energy clearance of if there's construction going on or if there's a leaking pipe or if you know what's going on within your house , that's actually very reflective of your personal life and what's going on internally for you .

Like , I feel like the house oftentimes is reflecting things that we still need to work on . Do you find that true in your own practice ?

So we need to kind of be able to pick up and develop that instruments that tells us maybe it's time for staging the house , or maybe it's time for staging the house or maybe it's time for clearing those cabinets , because there are many aspects Some are very physical really , on how the house is organized . So that's really important .

You know , originally the second book I'm writing that's going to be published in a few months Was the first book I wanted to publish and that book is called Becoming the Medicine . It's a deep book on shamanic work and experience .

It's a much bigger book but it was like before , as I was writing it I got the message you need to do a book first on the space , the altar , really this aspect of the work , because people might not be interested in deep shamanic work .

You know , the second book is a bit more for people advanced , so I wanted to go deeper but everyone that's what spirit told me everyone needs some kind of tools here . I need to write a book that's for everyone . Yeah , you need to write a book that even people are advanced practitioner need to find some gems in it .

So I was like , okay , and that's how the sacred web was born .

And this , this book , as I've been reading it , it came at the most perfect time , because I just ordered an altar to be delivered . I needed a piece of furniture , and now , as I'm reading the book , I'm like , oh , maybe it should be facing West instead of East , reflecting on some of your words in your book .

And how can I , which angle do I want to put it in this room and how do I want to incorporate it into this sacred space ?

And and so the timing of reading this book was perfect , like I had just ordered the altar and right now my altar is just a cardboard box on the floor with an altar cloth over it , cause that's what I've had to use , right , and so I think one having our audience know like you can make it out of anything a cardboard box is fine , and it's about cultivating

the space and the energy within and really bringing in the practice , like coming to that space on a regular basis as a dedication to your own self work . And so I just I definitely as you know , I don't like from , not from an ego place , but as an advanced practitioner , I definitely found bits of wisdom and pieces that I was reflecting on going .

Okay , here I'm in a new home , a new space . How do I want to recreate my sanctuary ?

The wisdom within is very simple and we can already resume it in . I could have done a five-page book . People would have probably feel , you know , it's not already good enough ? Some people say , oh , your book is too short .

I have a few people that said that and it's interesting because to me , in fact , if you take one page , you can work with that one thing for months .

I think ultimately , the more simple things are , the more profound they become , and in our world , in the Western world , we feel like no , like a PhD , you know , I need to have like 300 pages about you know the four directions , right , and that's great . Sometimes you might learn more .

But I think you'll learn more by having the basics about the four directions and then sitting with it and then seeing which wisdom is going to arise . I didn't want to impose a belief on people . Yes , I want to say here's a tool , implement it , experience what comes for you . And that's the next 50 pages . That's not written , but that's your pages , right ?

That's your view on it .

Not from pages in a book , but from your own personal practice and meditation and shamanic journey or whatever that looks like for the individual to be welcoming in the spirits of the East , and how does it want to be represented on my altar and what ? How does it signify in my own personal life and my own geographical location ?

And so I I did really recognize that you were just offering almost like teasers of like how does this reflect for you ? What could that look like ? And I really do appreciate that , because there's so many books and manuals that are like it has to be this way . It's this black or white , right or wrong , there's not anything in between .

And yours is more , much more of an invitation to like take this topic and sit with it .

Take this topic and sit with it , rather than this is the only way to go , and I'm all about the buffet of options , and I feel like you did a really well job of like how does this land for individuals rather than here's my personal practices and this is the way to do it .

Yes , you know , because I think the heart connection is the most important , it's not the mind , and sometimes when we say , do this and do it that way , we kind of impose a set of you .

Now , yes , if you want to study with me the Andean altar and the three world and the four direction in that traditional cosmology , then yes , we can detail it much more , then we can go into that .

But it's because you're committing your life , at least you know your path to a very specific tradition , because you're feeling cold to it , know , and there's a space for that for some people , right , but I think , uh , it's important when it comes to spirituality and especially shamanic work . It's a path of self-revelation .

It's a path where , you know , my teacher , my elder in peru , doesn't speak much , it doesn't give me long teaching , it puts me in presence of something , it just shares a few words and then it lets me have my own connection , despite it has immense knowledge of that cosmology , and I respect that a lot because that allows me to work at my pace , to not feel

like , oh my God , I need to learn all that in order to have a connection or to experience what he's talking about and to make this really alive in me . That's the most important . This is not , you know , shamanic path , is not a sacred book somewhere that tells you do this and that it's such an individual path and at the same time , it's universal .

We all have this capacity and I think that's the beauty of it , and I want people to get those nuggets , those gems , from themselves . Yeah , not from , not from me .

If you ask me , maybe I'll give you a little pointer , but I'm never going to give you exactly the final answer , because I want you to have the revelation , which is such a gift , when that happened .

You know , just like this , very simple , basic answers have so much wisdom , even though there could have been a whole novel , you know a whole book written on this particular mountain and its sacredness . And yet it's a nice mountain and I think you know you're sitting at the right feet if they're just giving those one-liner sentences so often .

I'm curious about how your sacred space has developed over time from moving to upstate New York . How has it changed from that point to now ? As your life has grown ? You have a child like . What does that look like for your own personal work and space ?

Uh , for me , there is two aspects that are really important . First , there is the aspect of consistency on the altar , which I think is really important .

You can't just mix it up every day completely different , uh , and there are specific reasons for that , for spirits , in order to be able to know who is there , what are you praying for , and you need consistency in your prayer . You need consistency in the way you turn towards that world , so that world turns towards you and recognize you .

So that's the one thing that's really important . But , that said , it needs to evolve constantly . It needs to have you know I can't remember we said that . So you need to learn all the rules first and apply them so you can know which rules you can break .

Yeah , so you need to practice that for a long time and at some point , you're going to start to know , in this ritual ceremony altar , what is the thing that can be shifted a little bit because it's a full moon , because maybe I lost someone recently , or because there's a new baby in the house . You know what are the things that require that ?

Maybe the prayer shift , or include something , sometimes temporarily , sometime , you know , moving forward . So when I look at my space today , um , it's very different than it was many years ago , but also it's quite different than when it was a year ago .

You know , once a year , um , when it comes to , uh , the winter solstice , so at the end of the year , middle of the winter , when we're in the depth of the darkness and the depths of the roots , it's a time when I changed my altar . Um , for me , it's like the new cycle of the sun .

The sun is getting reborn on december 21st and that's the moment where , okay , a new baby needs to be born . I'm in a new cycle for my life , nature is in a new cycle . So what does that mean for my altar ? Right ? So I will , you know , usually change it the most at that time of the year .

There are still a lot of things that are going to be the same , but there is definitely a new configuration . But that requires , for me , I sit for usually over a month before I change that . I pray every day . I know it's coming . I'm starting asking spirit and I wait to have direction . I don't change it because I need to change it .

I change it because I'm receiving instruction that maybe a different bone needs to be there , a different feather needs to be there or different plants needs to come . The shape might change . You know what is it ?

That my new prayer for this new year that is starting , that is coming up in spring , is going to need on the altar , and spirit knows what you need . So I'm going to bring those new elements and very often I was thinking about it .

In fact , a few days ago , as I was looking at my altar about something I didn't realize , that I changed , uh , in december last year . But now I just understood and we're what meet august what this element that I put on my altar has shifted into my prayer and why it was necessary for this year to be on there .

So sometimes we do the changes because we have guidance . It doesn't mean we understand why fully yet yes , yeah , that's pretty important right right .

and so I love that that there's , that it can take a month , it can take it can take a season before you are ready to change your altar and that's a that's a beautiful invitation , like I wish I . That's a takeaway . I hope our listeners have that . It doesn't have to just be a quick thing .

All of this need co-creation , in order to work , meaning creating with you and spirit . That means deepening the relationship , that means communication between those two aspects of the world and the self . And that takes time .

You know you want to make sure that the vision is clear and the vision is not informed by just your impulse or belief yes , or fears at worst and it's really coming from somewhere else . And in order to hear the somewhere else , the unknown , the unseen , it requires to slow down a lot . It requires silence , it requires patience .

That's the characteristic , that's what we do in the winter , because that's where those energies are very silent . We're in the roots , we're going down . There are many reasons we're doing that in the winter , but that's one of them . And then , when the vision is clear , then , you do it right ?

Yes , and that's usually much more powerful when I take you know , there's this idea of a new offering I want to do , and I think I've had this idea for probably almost a year now . I think it can during the winter , maybe nine months , right , I'm probably at the end of pregnancy or food is going to be born soon .

But I almost did it a few times and started doing it and I was like no , I need to sit more and I could not know why . And every week or every month , I'm getting a little snippet .

Hey , you need to do it , it's time , right , but I've been letting it mature and I know that when the offer offering is going to come to birth , when he's going to come into the world and manifested , it's going to be so infused by my dreams , my prayer , my altars , my land , all my intentions , because I've taken the time for that to happen .

Any offering that I do just because I have an idea and I start creating it , they don't work . Yeah , they don't work because there's no reflection , there is no connection to the ground , there's no roots to it , right ? yes so it's really beyond the altar , I think . Think of yourself as creation , as a creation .

How many years it took you to be who you are today , and how many years will it take to be the next version of yourself ? Maybe 10 more ? Right , we all know we keep evolving . It's very important , especially in a world that is going way too fast for everything and it's too loud , to slow down and be more silent .

I think so often , whether you're a spiritual seeker , whether you know or not , we all need to just take more time to slow down and have that contemplative practice . And what does it look like ?

Like so much of my audience are either busy moms or they're , you know , like business people with the nine to five and they're trying to figure out how to integrate these pieces into their life . And it's just where can you take 10 minutes ? Like what , can we take a baby step ?

to just hit the pause button and when you start cultivating that 10 minutes it can , it can start really blossoming into how can I make folding the laundry or doing the dishes or burping the baby into a spiritual practice Like how can we let it evolve naturally and organically into all of the spaces in our life and how is that going to reflect internally if I

approach this and up in peace and with spirit ?

We don't truly understand how it works and that connection . But if we deepen the connection , there is a longer exhale . Yes , that's possible , and I believe there is more abundance and more things that are being born when we are in that state . You know , it's really true .

This might take a year . This might take . It's not going to be a couple of months , it's not going to be a couple of days , it's not going to be a couple of weeks .

I need to give myself all of the grace to allow this unfoldment to happen within my body while I'm doing the spiritual work , while I'm doing the emotional work , and allowing it to take its time so that I could be healthy and whole afterwards . And that's so reflective of so many things in our life . Like how can we allow time ?

Like last summer I got a divorce and I was very committed . I'm going to take a year just to heal myself , just to allow this process to unfold in preparation for whatever is coming next in my life , my next chapter . And so how can we set an intention and give ourself that space to allow it , allow that time and connection with source , with spirit .

And what does that look like ? How do you help your students , your client , kind of cultivate the patience , cultivate that . This isn't a rush , this is an unfoldment .

So in the ancient cosmology of the indies , in the medicine , well , there is a lot of the teaching . Start with the underworld , teaching with the earth , teaching with the womb of the universe , the womb of the belly of the earth . You know , it's like this deeply feminine space of creation . That's literally where everything come from .

Everything we see in this world is coming from that place , and that place , as characteristic as it's , a certain technology , there is a certain wheel that turns in a certain ways and once you study that and start to understand that , you understand why slowing down produces more . That's for the western mind .

The mind hear that and it's like uh , doesn't make any sense . So usually , if it doesn't make sense to the mind , it's usually a good idea from the shamanic perspective . So you're trying to get beyond the mind , beyond the duality and the perspective of the mind , and then you need to . So .

Once you understand how manifestation works , how the energy travel between the different world , under middle and upper are the elements , how the earth , you know , birth the water and then fire , and then the wind and the air , and it creates rains , which are the emotions that feeds the body of the earth back .

Once you understand the cycle of energies from an elemental perspective , from a biology perspective , from a physics perspective and from a spiritual perspective , and they all aligned , then you understand how to create , then you understand why you need to slow down , then you understand why to create , then you understand why you need to slow down , then you understand

why you need to be silent when you want to write or when you want to do something new , then you understand why it's insanity to do brainstorm as we do when we want new ideas , that there's a very different way to get new ideas , etc . Etc . Etc .

And then , once you have understand all of that , you can put in place practices to teach you that Planting a seed is a big one . You know part of my one-year program we spent four months growing one seed , observing it , planting it , finding the right seed , and then we do plant dieters . So we learn from the teacher .

The teacher are the plants , the teacher are the animals , the teacher are the plants , the teacher are the animals , the teacher are the elements , and we ask them to teach us and they show us how to remember ourselves , how to return to that process , and because once you have once again that direct experience , then you learn .

If it's just me telling you to slow down , you know how many books there is about mindfulness out there and meditation . A billion books . I mean not a billion , but there are probably , you know , tens of thousands of books .

But I think there are other layers of direct experiencing that can make you change , like growing a seed , for example , or certain rituals . I studied meditation for 10 years and 15 years and I made more progress , sometimes with one ritual in one night , and still I meditate , still .

It's important , but I think there is in that technology probably because it's the most ancient technology on Earth shamanic , animist practices , that we all come from tribes , that we all somehow in our DNA , have this deep connection to nature and so , where we can communicate , I think it activates something that is very ancient and maybe through epigenetics , maybe

through ancestral memories , maybe through spirit there are many layers to it that I think something gets activated that truly changes us from the core of our beings .

And then people are like , yeah , well , instead of doing this brainstorm or this crazy writing about this new project , I did what you said I sat in silence until I heard the direction , and what I heard is so different from anything I've thought about before when it comes to that topic , I think this is it . That's the unseen that speaking .

That's the mother speaking . That's the wound speaking . That's before the universe was born speaking . That's the science that's speaking . That's the mother speaking . That's the womb speaking . That's before the universe was born speaking . That's the science that's teaching you . So once you get that experience , there's no return , there's no way back .

But you need to have that experience in your life . You need to somehow see that . Okay , what Andrew is saying here is true , which means you need to practice .

So if you have a life that's very busy you know we have two kids here and you have a land and have my work , right , I need to create moment of silence because I know it's my place of creation , it's my place of evolution , right , and it's as important as me having a one-hour appointment to the doctor , like it's in my calendar . It's locked .

There is no all being with you . Like my kids are not here . You know my wife is not here this one hour . I'm with you . So we need to be very disciplined , and that's the last thing I want to mention . That's often what's missing from our lives Discipline about this work , because the world as it is is very disciplined towards you , not being that .

It's disciplined towards you to make you feel a very different way , to make you feel you're lacking , that you're not enough , that you don't know that spirit doesn't exist , that it's all material , blah , blah , blah . This is very disciplined , what's coming towards you .

So , if you want to counterbalance that , if you want to find another way , if you believe that maybe this way that I'm witnessing in the world might not be the best way , you need to be disciplined in discovering , studying , exploring , learning , remembering , whatever you want to call it , this ancient way .

Yes , you need to make space for it and , like you said , it might be just 10 minutes , but every day 10 minutes , right ? Or ?

And you don't do that when you have time , all right , you don't take a shower , just if you have time , even if you're in a rush , you can take a five minute shower , right ? Yeah , so you need always to think about your internal hygiene . And what can I do in order to make sure this is done ? Because , if not , it gets a little bit more dirty .

A bit more dirty and it's not as visible . Maybe , as you're not taking a shower , it's not going to smell the same way , right , but within a few weeks , you're going to start feeling this lack of internal hygiene , this lack of discipline , and over months and years of doing that , there are massive costs that are very difficult to change sometime and to heal .

So , yeah , for me , it's better to meditate 10 minutes a day than you know having massive panic attack in 10 years from now , or worse maybe than that , if I don't have a calm mind . It's good for my kids , it's good for everyone , right ? Not just for me .

You have to put yourself first , you have to make this a priority and do it with dedication and consistency so that it becomes a way of life , so it becomes your breath . And that is such a hard thing for , like Western minds , to concept like , oh , I don't need a people , please , I can put myself first .

And and uh , just watching , I'm so many of our , our students , our clients , our , our mothers that are ingrained to be givers and people pleasers and to go . You're worth it , you are worth taking the 10 minutes to do this . Do you have any advice for the people , the listeners out there who are ?

They're intimidated by the 10 minutes and I think part of it is that they know that , that things are going to shift if they actually say yes to themselves and they're a bit scared of , like , the potential change .

But if you were super honest , what is the main thing you think for the majority ? You could say and I say I really sat with it and you say I was like you're lying to yourself .

You know that you're hiding from yourself , because when we start sending , when we start doing this work , there is a thing that we have buried that are going to come up and we are often terrified by it because we don't know what we're going to do with that , because we never had to really phase them fully .

And also , I think , as we start doing those practices , it might ask us to change many things in our life , right in terms of behavior and belief . I'm not talking just changing your house or your job , I'm talking even just belief and behaviors .

There are things that we need maybe to stop doing and when we have habits , it's powerful , it's our ritual , our thoughts , our habitual thoughts . That's your ritual . It's constantly there , it doesn't matter you sit at the altar . You's say constantly there , it doesn't matter , you sit at the altar , you do your prayer , it doesn't matter .

You're thinking this , you're thinking that's how ? Discipline is your mind , our discipline is the world for you to have those stories . So for me , I think ultimately you know you need that's probably the most important aspect of the work is you need to bring a lot of kindness and compassion towards yourself as you're doing this .

If it's rooted from I'm really a bad mom , or I'm bad at thinking that way , or I'm too stressed and I need to kill my stress , it's not coming from love , it's coming from hate , it's coming from shame , it's coming from self-hatred , you know whatever you want to call it .

So , ultimately , that's why I think the techniques are really important , but the intention , why you're doing it and how you're doing it , is way more important . I don't care if you pray for one hour . I'd rather that you send three loving breaths into your body for one minute or two minutes .

That will have more effects on your physiology , your biology , your mind , your spirit and your emotion than anything else . It's proven . Mind , your spirit and your emotion than anything else . It's proven Once we shift the mind , the body relaxed , when it's loving , it opens and it has a cascade of hormones and things like that , beyond just the spiritual aspect .

Three loving breaths in the morning , or three loving breaths at the end of the day , because we had a terrible day and the kids were really difficult that day and we're exhausted and we feel you know we don't have time to take a shower and you know the house is a mess three loving breath you know that's that's it , but do that , try it see what happens and

maybe you're going to cry , that's great . Welcome . The tears right . But loving , loving the grief , loving , whatever is the discomfort in that moment . For me , once you start doing that for yourself first , you know it doesn't just change yourself , it changes the way you accept other people when they are not showing up .

Perfect yeah why maybe they don't , you know , they're not available to you , when they're not nice to you , when , whatever , you can have such compassion for a heart that is unhealed , that is blocked , because you're doing it for yourself . You have compassion for your unhealed process , for your unfinished work .

But if you're judgmental about that , if you're thinking it needs to be fixed , that's going to be reflected in any relationship , right ? My teacher always say it's very easy to love your dog . Anybody can love a dog , but can you love what's unlovable ?

Can you find your way back to love when someone is really struggling and it looks like they hate you or they're angry at you and they are like this ? But can you see the pain , can you see the struggle of that heart and can you send love to that ? I'm not saying you don't like , you have to like it . I'm not saying don't have boundary .

But can you have this kind of energy towards that person ? You can , if you can have it towards yourself . And this is it , this is the work . Yes , unconditional love towards the self . And how do I do that ?

Um , so that they can dive deeper with you and your your school sure .

We also have many on-demand classes so people can do it at their own speed and things like that .

Our main core program is my t-shirt that I have today , the Sacred Purpose Blueprint , which is to help people stepping into their sacred calling , and it's targeted especially to people that are overwhelmed or very busy women executives that they have this big life but they know there's something else . So this is our core program .

It has some shamanic and spiritual aspect in it , but it also has a lot of core foundation that comes from many different other line of work and , like you mentioned yeah , thanks for mentioning my book , the Sacred Web .

It's available on Amazon and many publishers and I have a second book that's going to be called Becoming the Medicine that is coming up in what I used to say september , but I'm going to say november

or december . It's coming this year by the end of the year , but I had a new baby a few months ago , so my writing is a bit delayed , but I'm yeah , I'm hoping it's almost finished that it will be on the shelves by december beautiful .