The Epstein Files: Zorro Hell Ranch with Author Robert Eringer.

his subseck. He writes on a variety of different topics, but our intro topic is going to be the Zorro Ranch, which I think is coming into people's idea they always think of maybe Epstein is the island Florida, Palm Beach or Manhattan, but sometimes gets overlook But this is an important aspect of this whole criminal enterprise. But Robert's written many books. He spent nearly five decades in the intelligence

and investigative game. Began as an undercover journalist for Fleet Street and served as a foreign correspondent for the Toronto Star. In the Toledo Blade, he infiltrated the klu Klux Klan nineteen ninety three operated undercover for FBI counterintelligence from Moscow, but Vianna and beyond. In two thousand and two, Prince Albert of Monaco appointed him to Intelligence Advisor, and he

went on to create the principality's first intelligence service. He lives in Monticito and where his truth questing continues over fine Pino nor nice little one country up there. I've been to Monica. It's a beautiful place as well. It kind of reminds me of Monsito. Actually, it's interesting. I spent a lot of time in Santa Barbara myself, but it's interesting that you're here to take because I had Eric Amielon. He was a long term FBI agent, so kind of keeping with the trend of having a lot

of FBI people here. But for people who don't know you, Robert, maybe you can talk a little bit more about your bio. Pull that up to your most recent I know you're publishing a book in about a month or so. I'll try to bring the title up, but maybe you can just talk about your background to your interest in covering the Zoro ranch.

just a very tiny select audience of readers. I started off on Fleet Street in London, where I infiltrated the ku Klux Klan. They were trying to establish what they call a clavern in Britain, and I managed to infiltrate it early on to a point where the Imperial Wizard of South Carolina, Robert E. Skagin, invited me to travel to Spartanburg, South Carolina. In fact, he insisted on it so that I could be a officially naturalized was the

word they use. They initiated into the KKK. So I and two reporters from the Sunday People newspaper traveled to Spartanburg, South Carolina, spent a week there and we were initiated into the KKK. They. In fact, after the initiation, which was done by the Imperial Wizard himself, off came the robes and hoods of all the assembled clans people around us, and out came a tape measure. Why a tape measure, because they measured us up for bespoke robes and these

weren't just the normal white robes. They made us tailor made us red satin robes. The reason is they made us kleagels, which is clan speak for officer. And they did that because it was presumed we would return to Britain and lead the clan there. In fact, of course, what happened was we got back to Britain and over to successive Sunday's front page and center spread splash they call it, or used to on Fleet Street, exposed everybody involved. They scattered like rats, and that was the end of

the KKK in Britain anyway. That kind of work, undercover work. I then went on to do as a specialty infiltrating extremist groups and exposing them in newspapers such as The News of the World in the Sunday Mirror and again the Sunday People, and eventually was able to put those skills to work for FBI counter intelligence. I must point out that I was never fully employed by the FBI. I was never a special agent, nor have I ever

purported to be. I was a subcontractor, and it was based on doing the kinds of ruses for the Bureau that I had been doing in journalism. The difference, of course, is now instead of a wide audience, it was a select, very small audience, maybe of three or four persons within

the Bureau, because my identity was strictly guarded. And I wrote about that particular period of my life in a book called Ruse Undercover with FBI counter Intelligence that was published in two thousand and eight by Potomac Books, and I talk about the missions that I did for the Bureau, starting with the attempt to rendition Edward Lee Howard, who was the only former CIA guy to ever successfully defect

to Moscow. He did that in nineteen eighty five, which was known as the Year of the Spy, and he was living there in the early nineteen nineties, actually from nineteen nine, nineteen eighty five onward in nineteen ninety three, and interesting opportunity arose whereby Howard wanted to write a book. He did in fact write that book. It was called Safehouse,

and I became his editor. Except what he didn't know was that I was really working undercover secretly for the FBI, and the idea was to get to know him, befriend him, and try to figure out a way to lure him back to the United States to face the music. That went on for a bit. It went on for a few years. In fact, we could have renditioned Edward Lee Howard. Everything was in place to do that, and the Bureau

was very gung ho in association with the CIA. However, at the eleventh hour, when we knew where Howard would be where we could nail him, the Clinton White House intervened and aborted the mission, so the FBI was not allowed to get its man, and Edward Lee Howard continued to operate freely, at least inside Russia, and he would travel throughout Europe as well, until he met in untimely death in two thousand I believe it was two thousand and two July two thousand and two, when, at the

age of I believe he was fifty or fifty one, he supposedly fell down a flight of stairs at his Datcha and broke his neck. And the problem with what the Russians said about that is his Dodga didn't have a basement. But I've never much trusted the old KGB,

still don't anyway. My work for the Bureau went on and on and on, not only doing edward ly Howard, but rusing the former chairman of the KGB, Vladimir Krytshkov, and getting to know Howard's Cuban contacts, which led me to the Cuban Mission and those doing espionage and for the among the Cubans in Washington, d c. For a couple of interesting chapters in that book, and eventually I crossed the line from counterintelligence to criminal investigations to try

to hasten the extradition of Ira Einhorn from France. He'd been hunted a wanted fugitive for a few decades for murdering his girlfriend in Philadelphia in the late nineteen seventies. That too put her in that that's right, he mummified her. In fact, when the FBI finally rated his apartment in Philadelphia and they broke down the closet that was locked and they found the mummified remains, they also found a

library book at how to Mummify a human being. As you can imagine, that was evidence against him, partly, except he absconded and ended up on the run for a number of years until he was discovered in France. It was my job to get to know him again as a purporting to be a book editor. I convinced Ira that he was going to be a best selling author and that I would ensure that his books got published. And then he began to uh, well from there, finally.

on for a bit. The French, who were we were stringing us along in terms of when we finally when the Philadelphia investigator who'd been hunting Einorn for years finally discovered his whereabouts, the French arrested him, but then they let him go a few days later and and extradition proceedings got launched, but the French kept dragging their feet, dragging their feet. They would tell the United States the DOJ, well, we can't extrade him because we don't believe in the

death penalty. And you have that in Pennsylvania where he would be tried. And they turn around and say, well, we've already passed a special law just for that to say that we won't. We will give Ira Einhorn a new trial. They did try him, they had tried him in absentia and he'd been sentenced I think, to death, and they said we will. It was actually a law, the legislature passed it. We will give Ira Einhorn a

new trial, so please please hand him over. So then the French said, well, we don't believe in in in trials in absentia. They just kept dragging and dragging, and finally, my I would think that my intervention is what caused the French to finally capitulate and hand him back. If you want to hear that story really quickly, it's because, yeah, what happened was Einhorn knew that sooner or later he was probably gonna get extra out of the United States.

And I went over as his book editor and suggested that he go to Poland, that we create a whole new life for him in Crackout. That is me the publisher, not the FBI, even though they were supporting the whole thing, but of course they know what I'm doing. We will you a person like you belongs in a wonderful city like Kracko in southern Poland, because it's very artsy and it'll be good publicity for your book to have absconded again. So he he liked that idea. He loved being stroked.

He had a very huge ego, Einhorn, But he said he had a better idea that his lawyers and others around him had been prompting him to go to Cuba, where Cuba was where still to this day, American criminals roam free if you could call Havana and Cuba free. Joanne Schesemard, the black panther lady who killed a New Jersey State trooper, was living in Havana at the time. She since passed away, and it was explained to Einhorn

that would probably be his best bet. Well, he had the misfortune of telling me this at a time when John Ashcroft, who was the Attorney General, was just about to have a meeting with Holly Maddox's siblings. Holly Maddox was the beautiful young lady who Einhorn bludgeoned to death and then mummified in his home. So when I got back from my trip to see Einhorn, and I told I was working with the FBI agents from the ATBI

Fugitive Squad in Philadelphia. And when I explained what Einhorner was going to do, John Ashcroft was apparently livid and got on the phone to the French counterparts over there and said, you know, if he gets away and ends up in Cuba, that's going to be hell to pay. We understand from our own sources that's what he has in mind, and you better not let it happen. Lo

and behold. One week later, way many months ahead of what was supposed to be the next hearing, although it was supposed to be a minor one about his extradition. One week later, all of a sudden, the court in Bordeaux, France said you're expected in court in a week and we're going to decide extradition. He was blown away, couldn't believe it and showed up in court, and they decided,

they judged that he would be extra died. So he sort of did what he told me he was going to do what he told me was going to do. He'd never go back to the United States, that he would prefer to kill himself, and that what he was going to do is immolate himself in flames like the Vietnamese monks did to protest rulers of Vietnam back in the early sixties. And he did go through the motions.

He invited French media crews into the kitchen of his farmhouse and took out a butter knife and punctured his neck. But of course an ambulance was called. He was bandaged up. There really wasn't a serious injury. They gave him a few days to recuperate, and then the gendarmes arrived to put him in their vehicle, drive him to char Degaul Airport in Paris, and hand him over to my two buddies in the fugitive squad where he was put in handcuffs, put on plane, and flown back to the United States.

True to the true to their word, they provided him a new trial. It took the jurors only four hours to convict him of murder, and he spent the rest of his life at Hootsdale State Penitentiary, from which he wrote me a letter six months after he after he was in prison, and say, what happened to you? Where are you? You were supposed to publish my book?

to go down. I know that trio of curves that exist coming down from Letter B into Monaco treacherous, but with breaks not working fatal in her case. Certainly there was a mafia connection in the death of Stefano Kasaragi, who was Caroline's Princess, Caroline's husband who died in the

tragic yacht racing accident. I believe that was in nineteen ninety where his boat flipped mysteriously and he was killed, and then after he was buried at Monaco's cathedral, there are persons who tried to steal his corpse, and that has been associated with the Italian mafia, partly because of promises that had been made about their ability to penetrate Monaco's very lucrative real estate market and they went undelivered. There's huge fights that go on all the way up

until today over real estate Monaco. Monico's probably cost more per square foot than anywhere else in the world, and building has always been the big money spinner there and most of the corruption relates to that business. Sorry, once again, I've gone off on a tangent.

I handled William Colby's book about Vietnam Lost Victory in Robert Kupperman's book Final Warning about terrorism, and I wanted to do the same thing. The bad news is I never really discovered any literary talent in Monaco. But I did make friends with Prince Albert, got to know him others. It's a very small community generally. I mean the country itself was only a mile and a half square. It's

comprised was then of about thirty five different nationalities. The Monogasques are outnumbered in their own country, but among the Prince Kelly's son, right yeah, Prince Albert is Grace Kelly's son and the son of Prince Regnier, who at that time was the monarch in Monaco and led with an iron fist. Got to know Albert, and then I disappeared from Monaco, went to Washington, d C. Connected with Claire George. He didn't want to write a book, so instead he

and I went into the private sector intelligence business. Almost as a joke. We sat outside the Chevy Chase club and when he told me he wasn't going to write a book after all. He said, well, maybe we can do something else together. And I said, well, I solve people's problems and he said yeah. And I said, but only billionaires and royalty and he said that sounds good, and lo and behold, within a couple of months we had a billionaire and a member of a royal family,

not Albert Monico, but a titled aristocrat as clients. And we did very well with that. And as I mentioned, I got involved with counterintelligence work for the FBI and did that through the nineteen nineties. When my work for the bureau ended, around two thousand and one, I saw Albert and we talked about his concern of the Russian

surge into the South France, the French Riviera. The Russians through the nineties have been predominantly laundering money in Switzerland that was there, that was there out of home base. But the Swiss had enough and told him to move on, and they did, and they were beginning to move into

the south of France. Albert had concerns about that. He also had concerns about various people from all kinds of nationalities because Monaco's a melting pot and the crossroads of everybody everywhere around the globe, especially wealthy people, and he had concerns about some of the people who were trying to enter his social orbit, as everybody tries to do in Monaco. In fact, the ongoing contest is who can

brown their nose the deepest. So he thought it would be a good idea to retain me as his intelligence advisor, specifically to look into the Russian influence in Monaco, but also to check out various persons who were trying to enter his social orbit, and retained me in June of

two thousand and two to do that. The first thing I did was I realized that on my own, and with some contacts I had that I brought into the situation with me, we would not be able to provide Albert with the kind of intelligence we really needed to unless we had some assistance that didn't cost us any money. So I embarked on creating liaison relationships with other intelligence services,

primarily at first the CIA and Britain's six. And my pitch was very simply that pretty soon Prince Albert de Monico, once his father passed, would be the monarch, and he wanted to do something about the corruption in Monaco and

about money laundering, so they very kindly signed on. We created liaison relationships and whenever I needed to know about any topic or individual, all I had to do was provide them the names, and they would run traces and they would provide what I needed to give to Albert so that he could be better informed. On top of which, Cia M I six offered to come brief him on any given subject. Once we had David Steel of the

famous Steele dossier. At that time, he was apparently running Russia House, the Russian Division inside I six, and he personally came to Monaco to brief Albert and me on Putin and Russia. He was very polished, very professional. It was a great briefing. Sorry that he ventured off in private, the private sector and went a wrong direction. That was later explained to me how that can have and we can get back to it, but I don't want it to interfere with what we're talking about here. I organized

liaison relationships. When Prince Regnier passed in April two thousand and five and Albert ascended the throne, my role changed. Excuse me, let me have a little bit of water here.

to have a bunch of money. But if you were a Russian coming in, the banks were glad to have you. You show up with ten million dollars, even in cash and suitcases, and you have an account. And that may still happen today, although less likely. I'm sure they've gotten far more sophisticated about that. But that's the answer confidential banking. I was saying earlier that after Prince Albert ascended the throne, I created the Monaco Intelligence Service. I no longer had

to be just intelligence advisor. I created a service because that's what it was at that point, and it needed to be, because we then embarked on creating a whole new slew of relationships with foreign intelligence services all around Europe. And it was very productive for us because once again we could get whatever information we needed quick on just

about anything and everything. And I went on to then begin to assemble the various financial intelligence units of the micro European states, states like Luxembourg, Malta, San Marino which is surrounded by Italy, and Liechtenstein, and discovered that before my arrival on the scene to try to organize them, there was absolutely no meaningful contact between the financial intelligence units.

Luxembourg actually had and still has a proper intelligence service, but the smaller states they never got beyond financial intelligence

units within their police departments. Well, I created an association of micro European intelligence services and we began to have meetings, and we created a common shield among us so that we could keep each other informed about what Russians or other nationalities were popping from one tax haven micro state to another looking for banks to launder their money in.

lot of them needed more than that. In fact, almost every intelligence service that had a relationship with US first would come to Monaco and they would meet Prince Albert in person at the safehouse that I kept in Monaco, and only then were they satisfied that this was real and that we were often running with an information.

let everybody down. He let he gave his at his speech when he in July of two thousand and five, when he officially was his investiture, he announced a new ethic in Monaco where he was going to clean every thing up. Of course, it alarmed everybody who was doing dirty stuff in Monaco, including most of his ministers and uh and others.

lots of money. That's a good example right there. It took in fact, we investigated the guy, and we investigated Albert's personal lawyer and pointed out to Prince Albert that they were both terribly corrupt. Albert didn't want to know, he didn't believe it. What happens just a couple of years ago, would all caught up with him and the palace accountant, whose name was Claude Palmero, was evicted from the palace, escorted to his car by the carabinieri and

has been at war with the palace ever since. There's a big fight going on in Monaco between the Palace and the ex palace accountant, who Albert knew was corrupt twenty years ago but didn't do anything about it. Then only finally did something a few years ago when the French media exposed his corruption.

having cabinet jobs in the administration of Bill Clinton. I believe he was the Energy Secretary. And Richardson got implicated in the Epstein stuff by merit of Virginia Goufre, who accused Andrew of having sex with her when she was only seventeen years old. Andrew denied it, and now those denials are now all proving to be false. She also said that when she was in New Mexico, she had sex at the age of seventeen with Bill Richardson. He denied it. He's no longer alive. He passed away a

couple of years ago. But there is no reason to disbelieve Virginia Goofred at this point because we now know she was telling the truth about Andrew. Why would she make something up about Bill Richardson. So to me, that's the interesting connection about why nothing ever got done about his ranch searching it even though in twenty nineteen, according to an email in the Epstein files, somebody informed the FBI that the bodies of two foreign females are buried

somewhere on the grounds of Zoro Ranch. So the question is what happened? Did the FBI not think to send Cadava dogs Kdeva dogs, not search, not look around for dead bodies? Apparently nothing happened at all? Why did nothing happen? These are good questions. Only now that this has come out, that particular email from the Epstein files has the New Mexico legislators have New Mexico legislators just last week decided to open an investigation into Zoro Ranch. Why did the

FBI sit on it all this time? It's there's more to come out, much more to come out. In my opinion, I think so too. There's a lot of the dark evidence of Epstein traffic.

summer home in Chatham, Massachusetts, but never said how or why. Well, when I was there, and I was in the Anasazi bar, probably the you know, the most upmarket bar is Santa Fe, and struck up a conversation with a bartender who told me that Bill Richardson would come in all the time. But the problem with that was he drank too much. He was very bitter, drank too much and was extremely argumentative. And I didn't put that together with Epstein back then,

even though he'd already been accused by Virginia Gouffray. But clearly he didn't end his life. His last few years were not very happy. I think he had a sense of what was coming down the pike and how whatever legacy he might have was going to be in tatters. That's what I wrote about on my substack post.

Barn is suspicious as there's a garage door that appears to be a sally port, there's a chimney. Blank is concerned that the property could potentially have an incinerator concealed behind the bar. Is there rumors the property was used for recruited girls to visit with Epstein, but he has no factual evidence to support this claim.

Masad to for light light leverage. Yes, it's it's blackmail, for sure, but but it's common in the intelligence services and it and it's seems like Epstein had everything wired up and was recording everything that was going on there. And we've yet to see a bunch of that stuff. Hopefully we will get a chance to down the road. But yes, I think it's completely plausible that he was serving an intelligence service, and maybe more than one.

only from strangulation with through somebody's hands. So I believe I believe he was murdered.

the New Mexico's or a ranch is bad. But when victims were worn out, they would simply be taken to the desert and buried, or taken to see weighted down that dumped overboard. The ones who survived are lucky to be alive. You're talking multiple slave murders here. Clinton did not cure procure slaves. Trump did google me before you reject this comment.

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accountant gunning for me. He actually tried to end the intelligence service without Prince Albert's authority, but he pretended Prince that he had Prince Albert's authority to terminate my intelligence service, even though he had no idea what the extent of it was, or all the relationships we had with other

intelligence services. I had him seriously stared me, and then Prince Albert's personal lawyer, Terry Lacoste, who was in cahoots with the accountant in their real estate corruption, and then I had I became better known for the first few years as an intelligence advisor, and even when I started the Monaco Intelligence Service, I was very invisible. But once we had the Albert had the good chief of staff

who was actually trying to implement a cleanup program. Word began to get around that Albert had his own intelligence apparatus, and a lot of people were upset about that. They didn't like the idea that Albert could have information that didn't come from Monaco's Interior Ministry. Up until then, the police couldn't even get their information through to the Palace. It was all filtered by the Interior Ministry and controlled. So nobody wanted Albert to have an intelligence service. Nobody

wanted to be cleaned up. And I'm the guy who suddenly they realized was running it. And it was at that point where I decided, not only wasn't going to wasn't I going to put up with this any longer, because clearly Albert was not going to clean things up like you said he would, but I think my life was at risk as well as an official for him. I six told me, you better at least close down your safe house here, that little apartment that where we'd have all of our meetings and where I slept when

I was at Monaco. He said, because you're going to get firebombed. And at the time when the accountant actually tried to terminate our intelligence service, I realized the word was out. I did feel threatened, and I understood that if I stayed longer, that I might not exist beyond that for very long.

discovered that he'd murdered her. Why it took the Philadelphia police two years to get a warrant to go into his house when everybody her family knew that she was the last person he saw. Once again, a lot of it is incompetence, in bungling. It's not just when the FBI doesn't do stuff when they should have done. It is because they're hiding something. It's because of sharing competence and bungling. Things like that seemed to have just happened in Tucson, Arizona, with with this abduction, right.