Okay, we are live. How this is William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey Investigates on Today Show. I have a very special guest, a recommended guest. Somebody's recommended to me and it was a very good recommendation. Her name is Colonel ro Sanne Towner Watkins. Her last name is spelled t own E R dash w A t ki n S. And I was kind of following up on this. I know a lot of people in kind of the research community talks about Gladio, but she was recommended to me
as kind of a global Gladio. So I spent today kind of researching and I listened to a really great presentation by Matthew Eric. He's been on my show and I think it was either the Canadian Patriot or Rising Tide Foundation, and she did. She was the featured guest and the title was Gladio and JFK. But it covered a lot of territory things I didn't know some of the stuff I did, and I heard the Knights of
Malta mentioned that was interesting. I've done like ten shows and very detailed four hundred slide presentation on Knights of Malta even up to today, because current Pope met with the head of the Knight of Malta, who was actually Canadian,
believe or not. He's the first non I think European as the head of the Knights of Malta, a thousand millennia old organization with a lot of kind of these characters who are involved in Gladio were also involved in that, and she talked about today in the discussion I heard with her a Matt that a lot of them became knights either were knighted who weren't usually let into the
Knights of Malta. It's very used to be a very kind of aristocratic, aristocratic kind of thing, like you've seen the Queen of Elizabeth have a picture for her with the Maltese cross, very distinctive cross. But there's like a lot of things coming on, Like some of these other researchers that I have said, this strategy of tension is still kind of maybe being implemented in twenty twenty five. So what the knowledge of what gladio is. Gladio for
people who don't know, is the old Roman sword. Believe it or not. The Romans didn't have these huge, massive swords. They had kind of a medium sized sword. It was called a gladio and it was very effective for close combat. It kind of was an element of their imperial fights. But that's just a little bit of background. So I'm delighted to have her. So again, it's Colonel Towner Watkins. Welcome to the show.
Thank you. I'm glad to be here. Thanks for the inviting.
Cool awesome. I like the fact that you're such a passionate researcher. I was looking through all the other kind of things that you had done. I was looking at your YouTube channel and all this stuff, like you've done a lot of research. Maybe you can talk about your background, your research, and kind of what led up to your interest in this particular topic.
Well that's a very interesting story. So for those of you who don't know me, I spent thirty years in the Air Force, and I was not an intel officer, I was not a pilot. I was a support officer. I started off in aircraft maintenance when I enlisted in nineteen seventy nine. I spent eight years doing that, turning wrenches,
working on the flight line. But I have always been a very avid reader, and I only really ever read nonfiction, and so I had an entire library of biographies of you know, leaders, depart sect, secretary of States and that type of thing. And so about three years ago now, I was reading Anthony Sutton's trilogy about the funding of the Bolshevik Revolution, World War Two, Hitler and FDR, and
it was information that I had never seen before. And so if you compile all of what I did know, I started kind of in my head filling in holes. And that led me to doing a little bit more research in non approved books about World War Two and what I found out in reading books like Fascist International or Nazi International and some of the other books Joseph Ferrell's book about the Third Way, I realized that there has been a kind of what I referred to as a fake left and a fake right in order to
create these polar opposites. You don't want to go too far this way, and you don't want to go too far this way, and it was used kind of just to heard the mass of people around the globe into a controlled setting. And psychological operations, obviously is something in the military that we learn a lot about. So I started kind of putting all of this together, and in one of those books it mentioned this thing called stay behind units. Now I have six different degrees, and they're
very diverse. But I spent a year at Air War College, and for someone like me and my background, with the extensive reading that I have done, to come across what was obviously a military operation that I've never heard of,
was quite interesting. So of course I start doing just some surface level research on this idea of stay behind units, and I find out the history goes back to the Boer Wars and Winston Churchill when he was a journalist, and the creation of the Jedbirds, which of course I had heard of, and the fact that Hitler and his intelligence operation ran by General Wolfe and General Reinhard Galen set up stay behind units extensively throughout German occupied territory.
They were called werewolf units. And again, up until three years ago, I didn't know any of this. This is not taught in any professional military education. Obviously, it's not a well known fact in the United States at all. So I started doing a little bit more digging, and you find out that there was this secret meeting in northern Italy between General wolf Alan Dulles and a major general at the time by the name of Lyman Limisker,
and he was Eisenhower's chief of logistics. Now, for those of us in the military, we know their critical a critical element of implementing any plan that you have. At this meeting there was discussion about turning over the plans and the layout of this extensive stay behind network that was laid in Romania and Hungary and Ukraine and all of these German occupied territories at least at one point they were German occupied territories, but it was in France,
it was in the Netherlands. And I started again just kind of digging into it, and I come across Paul Williams's book called Operation Gladio, and Danielle Ganser, who he talked about before the show. His book is called NATO Secret Army. So those were the two first books that I highly recommend if you're interested in the topic to read. And it makes clear that this critical meeting with Alan Dallas is pivotal to the transferring of this stay behind network.
And let me just explain what that is real quick. They created these small units of anywhere from fifteen to twenty men that they consolidated cachets of weapons, explosives, common equipment, and money and at the beck and call of the senior leadership of the Nazi regime, they would activate these stay behind units to fall in on these weapon cachets
and attack whoever the target was. And if you could imagine in Ukraine with the Bandera network and Stetsco and all of the people that Hitler and Otto Skorzini, who was the trainer for these stay behind units, they arranged for all of these weapons. So there's an entire network
across Europe of these things. And this meeting was basically arranging the transfer of control of this network over to the US, and there was not any There were a couple of other people at the meeting, but primarily they left the Soviet Union, who at the time was our
ally out of this planning meeting. So if you fast forward a little bit, you find out that also at that meeting they were deciding who was going to go to Nuremberg and who wasn't, and there was going to be a concerted effort to say several like a lot of the Nazi upper echelon, and that was then going to be what we now commonly referred to as the ratlines into Spain, which at the time was under the
fascist dictator Franco and then on into South America. Well in the story later on under Operation Condor, because you will find out that Operation Gladio, while specifically with it, is kind of a generic term. Every country had their own name, like in Turkey was called the Gray Wolfs in Portugal it was called a Ginger Press. But generically now everybody just refers to it as Gladio. And so
this this network gets turned over to the US. They fly Reinhard Galen dressed up as a US general into Washington, d C. To go to the USS headquarters and debrief him, and basically they then assume control of this network and continue to further it. Now it's originally done under the guise of fighting communism. And when I interviewed Paul Williams, who wrote the book Operation Gladio, my specific question was to him was do you believe that there was or
a communist threat? And basically my kind of takeaway is if you look at the state that we left the Soviet Union in after World War Two, where depending on who you read, the estimates is anywhere from twenty five million to fifty million people had been killed, a lot of their manufacturing had been gutted by the Nazis. They they're not a threat. They're not a threat to Europe,
They're not a threat to anyone. So the fact that there's this extensive network under the guise of fighting communism in the immediate aftermath of the war is a little odd because there was no threat. And what you find out if you span out to the thirty thousand footlook, every single one of these Gladio programs throughout Europe in the aftermath of World War two were used to create
domestic terrorism against the people in Europe. And of course the most well known, well documented example of that is in Italy, because, as you mentioned earlier in nineteen ninety, on August second, the Prime Minister of Italy, after a lot of exposure and research had went on, and the murder of journalist, judges that tried to do investigations, prosecutors that had done investigations in the late seventies and all of eighties, finally a roster of all of the people
that had been involved in it was discovered in a secret compartment of lucio'gellis, who was the grand Mason of the P two Masonic Lodge, and it had like eight hundred names on it. So now the cat's out of the bag and the there's lots of so Andreotti, the Prime Minister, he gets up in front of the Senate in Italy and basically discloses the fact that Operation Gladio was real and it was used extensively for domestic terrorism
throughout Italy. There's a lot of people eventually sent to jail as a result of that, and it implicated the Vatican because what you find out in the aftermath of World War two, in order to fund this extensive covert operation that couldn't necessarily be funded with money that was appropriated because it's secret, they had set up the most extensive drug trafficking network in the world out of Southeast Asia.
And that's where people like Shang Kaishek, who was in a civil war with Mao in China, and the OSS mainly people like Paul helling Well, some of those names that are associated with the CIA in the aftermath. He was a military attasha because he was a colonel to Shane Kai Shek, and what they observed in the Asian theater during World War two is Shane Kai Shek was funding the war, not just against Japan, but against mal
by selling opium. And so Paul Halliwell picks up the phone to Alan Dallas and he goes, hey, I think I got our funding thing resolved. All we have to do is take care of Shang Kai Shek and find a place for him to hang out, and we can sell opium that's grown over here in Asia, ship it and we'll just take money off the top because it's illicit drugs and it's you know, covert funding. So let's just marry these two covert programs and we've got a funding source, and then we can equip all of these
covert gladio op os with that money. And so initially they decide to set up because they've not given up on China. They want China. So they set shang Kaishak up in Burma along the Chinese border, and they're running missions into China. This is after World War two, so they're running missions into China attacking Mao, and so Mao has decreed that there's no opium. It's all gone. There's not going to be any drugs in China. So he's
basically eliminating a major source. So they start growing the poppy in Burma, which is where they set Shang Kai Shehak up initially while a Burmese government gets tired of all of the weapons and the murders and everything else. And so the CIA now decides they're going to move Shang Kai Shehek to this little island off the coast of kind of called Formosa, and we're going to change the name of it, and we're going to call it Taiwan. And so as soon as Shane Kaishek gets there, the
formotions are like, we don't want that guy here. He's a drug dealer. And at the time, depending on who you read, between eighty and ninety percent of the opium supply and the world was being generated by Shang Kai Shek, and so you yeah, so you have this, you have this entire network of US, the ambassadors, the CIA station chief, everybody. They fall in on Formosa, they prop up Shang Kai Shek. He immediately declares martial law because the promotion, the formotions
are rebelling. They're like, we don't want you here. And so if you said anything out loud about Shane Kayshek that was negative, you would get murdered. And there are declassified CE Department k from the ambassador that depict him looking out his window and watching these new quote unquote Taiwanese Shang Kai shek kmt military people bayonetting people in the streets in front of the US embassy. So it's terror unleashed on the island of Formosa to subdue the rebellion.
And there's people like William Polly. I'd never heard of this guy, and if you look up William Polly, it's one of the most interesting stories. He is instrumental. He has given the Curtis Aircraft franchise in Southeast Asia, so he starts manufacturing all kinds of military aircraft to supply Shang Kai shek with aircraft. You have the creation of
the China Lobby. You have Claire Chenault, a major general who who is instrumental in creating what eventually becomes Air America, the civil error transport company that flew a lot of the drugs around. It's just like this entire industry pops up in Southeast Asia and so and the people that are involved in it is just you can do a whole show just on that part of it.
It's a huge operation, right it is.
So now we need a bank to launder the money through. Well, they picked the Vatican because the Vatican is a sovereign The bank is a sovereign within a sovereign So you have a sovereign bank within a sovereign territory and it just is conveniently located in Italy. When they decide that the US portion of this opium operation is, they want to use Sicily because we basically controlled them mafia through Lucky Luciano and all of those people with their Sicilian
mafia ties, and so it's just very convenient. However, at the time, we were competing with the French, and because we decided that after World War Two we were going to give the French back Vietnam instead of allowing them to be free, and so they're doing opium out of Laos and it's going to the Corsican mafia in France. And so we found a guy, his last name is Konig, and he's actually a CIA agent, but he is working kind of undercover with the Corsican mafia, and so he's
mapping out the whole Corsican mafia. And if you fast forward a few decades, we declare a war on drug under the Nixon administration, and basically what that did was to take out the entire Corsican mafia. And so basically it was a war on competition, not an actual war on drugs. And so now we've got it all consolidated.
We've got control over the source, we've got control over the transformation of it into actual heroin, and then we have the supply network of the mafia connections that was all set up at several meetings in Cuba, because Cuba
was going to be a hub. And Paul Williams mentions the fact that out of Sicily they were after they would refine it, they would hide it in plastic oranges, in crates of oranges going into Cuba, and I had one of my listeners go, oh, well, that explains all the oranges in the Godfather series and what they said, And it is true because I went back and watched it.
All of the murder scenes in The Godfather where they were talking about taking someone out, there's either oranges on the table, or the guy that gets shot falls back into a bunch of oranges, and I.
Had unsucking on an orange, or when Godfather gets shot in the first one, he falls into an orange crate if you remember.
That yet, And so I had when we were first going through Paul Williams's book on my Rumble channel, I had somebody go, hey, did you ever figure out what the orange thing was? And I'm like, I don't even know what you're talking about. And they're like, well, it's in all the death scenes. And so then you know, I went back and I reread Paul Wae's book and he actually even talks about it, and I'm like, holy crap, I missed that part. So lots of very interesting connections.
And so now we've got the funding source, we've got the money launder, and we've got this entire network being built out. And as I mentioned the I thought originally in when I was first doing this research that they created these networks that OTD exclusively within these countries like Gladio inside of Italy, a Ginger Press inside of Portugal. But what you find out is people like Otto Skorzeni, who did go to Nuremberg, but he was found quote unquote innocent. Right now, he's one of.
The miracle guys who got away with it. He was involved in so much underhanded stuff. I had a guest on who wrote a book about him called the Devil's Disciple, because he was in he rescued for people who don't know he rescued Mussolini. He was involved in Battle of the Bulge of like fake stuff and just all kinds of subjects on the Eastern Front, possibly involved in like burning down synagogues. Like wow, he's.
Something else, Yes, he is something else. So this network set him up. Originally he went to Paris because that's where they're going to set up NATO, and he was going to be because eventually NATO takes over the When NATO stands up NATO in charge of the Gladio program.
There were two organizations inside of NATO. One was called the ally Clandestine acc Committee and then the CPC the Clandestine Planning Committee, And these two entities, which are covered in Danielle Ganser's book, were the kind of coordination body for Operation Gladio. So they're going to have Auto Skorzeni be their trainer because he trained all of the Hitler Gladio people. That's what he did working for Reinhard Galen
and so they're going to put him in Paris. So he's closed, but he has this huge scar on his base and he's immediately recognized. So they're like, Okay, that's not going to work. We're going to put him in Spain because Franco will protect him. And he did, and so he gets a partner and he sets up a
construction company. But we've got to figure out a way to pay him, and we really don't want to use all these covert funds because this is going to be an ongoing thing, so let's figure out how we're going to pay him. Well, it just so happens that he is paid out of the Department of Defense construction business called Logistics Hello Line and Lemonsker to build bases in Spain. Now, first of all, being a military officer, my first question was why are we building bases in Spain when it's
a fascist dictator. I thought we didn't like those people. Didn't we just bite a war to get rid of one. Yes, we did, but we don't care because we're looking for an illicit way to channel money to Auto SCORSNY. And so, weirdly enough, Auto SPORTSNY gets the contract to build all of the US military bases in Spain, and it's grossly overpriced. So that was the way we ended up paying Auto
Sportsny to be the trainer for NATO. So he sets up all over the border near France, these terrorist training camps, because that's what they are. They're terrorists, and so they're producing and there are several of them. The school that specialized in kidnapping was on Sardinia, the island off the coast of Italy, which just so happens to be around the coast from France. They use the Canary Islands to do the water how you can you know, be like a scuba diver and come up on a boat and
kill people. Weirdly enough, Maxwell, Robert Maxwell, gets murdered off the coast of the Canary Islands on his boat. I don't know that there's a connection, but they don't find that really weird. So all of the operations are being set up and the people are going through the training. But then what I noticed is Autoskorzeni is involved in a whole bunch of operations that's nowhere near Europe. He's
in Algeria. He ends up in the Congo. When we killed Patrice lu Mamba, he was in charge of that operation and I was.
In the sixties was it sixty one?
Three days before JFK took office, Eisenhower signed the Fonts, signed the finding that authorized the execution of Patrice Lumamba. And so now I'm getting a different sense of operation Gladio totally because it wasn't just confined to Europe. And you find two of the gray Wolves out of Turkey are the two guys that eventually were convicted of shooting the pope in Italy. And so now we've got an
international rorist organization. And so again I just continue kind of looking this, and then I find out how's for as any travels to Latin America all the time? Well, in that way we rautlined all of his buddies. Yes it is. And then what you find out is that a lot of the beginnings of the CIA coups all over South America begin happening. And so you look at Brazil, you look at Guatemala. So Guatemala happens the year after we coued Iran in nineteen fifty three. So it happens
in nineteen fifty four. Then in nineteen sixty three we overthrow Brazil, we overthrow ten years later Chile. We're instrumental in the coup, and Paraguay and Eruguay and it just goes on and on and on, and that part portion of it was labeled Operation Condor. And when you start looking into all of those operations, you find out that there's a company by the name of crypto AG. I stumbled across that looking into Operation Gladio, and I'm like,
what the hell is that? So cryptoag was a program that was developed by a Swedish guy for the Allied Forces in World War Two. It was used as an encryptied device to communicate. They after World War Two, they set him up in business. They being the intelligence agency, set him up in business in Switzerland. Now all of his is like.
A start interrupt But was it like a typewriter, kind of like Enigma or something like that.
Not really, It's more like a capability and it was housed in all So let me I'll explain what they used it for. But they set him up in business in Switzerland and they because it's quote unquote neutral, and he begans selling this capability to eventually over one hundred countries around the world. And what it did was when a country bought it, they put it in their version of the State Department and then they put another terminal that connected to that terminal in all of their embassies
around the world. What none of the countries that had this capability new is there was a back door to it, and the CIA was able to listen to every encrypted cable from the country of origin to their embassy and back. So from the end of World War Two until it was finally gotten rid of in twenty twenty, every single country that bought this system was monitored by the CIA. Now, this guy gets old and he has a son that's
helping him run his country or company. But the CIA doesn't trust his son with the knowledge because the son doesn't know about the back door, and so they decide they're going to buy the company from the old man, and they went in a partnership with the German B and D. Now why is that important Because the German B and D was ran by Ryan hard Galen, Auto Skorzeni's old boss. Right, So now you have the Nazis in yin Hard Galen supposedly in denazified West Germany and
the CIA in bed with each other. He's dropping on all of the communications. Now, what that requires you to do is go back and look at what countries have it and what were we told about all of these countries. And I'll give you an example. So Iran bought it, so we knew everything that was going on in Iran that they communicated with any of their ambassadors around the world.
Egypt bought it. So if you go up to nineteen sixty seven, where supposedly the Six Day War with Israel, everybody sold at the time the idea that Egypt was about to attack Israel, and they just preemptively attacked them. Well, they knew, damn goodnwell, Egypt wasn't going to attack Israel because they knew that Egypt had already deployed in seventy five thousand of their army down to Yemen because the British had got into a fight with them down there
with the yem and East. And so if you go back and you start re looking at history, and you know what countries had this equipment, all of the false pretenses of you know, whether it's the Korean War, the Vietnam War, or whatever, we were spying on all of them. We knew everything. So they've crafted this version of history that defies logic once you understand the underpinnings of this, and so the use of cryptoag in Latin America was
throughout all of Latin America. All of Latin America basically had bought this equipment, and so all of the overthrows of the governments, and we were sold the coup in Guatemala, the coup in Brazil, the coup in Chile, the coup in Iraguay. I could go down the whole list. We were told that the reason the CIA behind the scenes supported the overthrow of those governments is because they were
communists leaning or communist sympathizers. They knew damn good and well there was no communication going on between the Soviet Union and any of these countries from the top presidential level because they had access to every single cable transmitted. So yeah, So literally, when you get done with the investigation in the Operation Gladio, you realize the entire history that we've been told and sold is a lie. All of it's a lie, right, and so I have to
cover this one aspect of it. So at some point, about a year and a half into this, I've had two questions. Danielle Ganser says, there was a secret agreement of all NATO countries that you had to have a Gladio network. So question number one was, where's ours? We're a member of NATO, where's.
Ours caps civilian air patrol or I don't know, something like that. I've heard that people have said civilian air patrol was it was set up by a couple of generals, that it was something like a Gladiol But I don't know.
Do you know, Well, I'm going to make an argument of what I believe it was. Also who's doing this? Who benefits from all of this? Who benefits from the instability around the world of overthrowing governments. Well, the best example of looking into who benefits is the Congo assassination of Lumumba and chile assassination of Salvadora Linde and seventy one.
Sorry to interrupt, but that was the original nine to eleven was the overthrow of the Chilean government.
So I think it was in seventy three. Okay, sorry, I think he got elected around seventy one, but you can.
Yeah.
So in Chile, there is actual documents now that proves US corporations involvement with the CIA, because what Salvador Linde wanted to do is he supported legitimate unions because one of their their biggest export at the time was copper, and the US had a concession under Freeport Mining to that copper mind.
I think it was the biggest copper mine in the world. They it was nineteen seventy three.
So they had a big beef with Salvador Linde because they didn't want to pay minimum wages. They did not want to have unions organizing against them for better working conditions, because they didn't give a crap if the people died in the copper minds, and they were dying all the time. Also, a US corporation, it T owned the entire telecommunication and telecraft capability in Chile, and PepsiCo had a lock on
all of their soda beverages. So PepsiCo it T and Freeport goes to Nixon and says we want him gone, and he was assassinated. So now when I get to in an in depth research into Chile, I'm like, okay, hold up, let me go back to all of these other ones that I've done, like the Congo with Lumumba. What resources did they have? They had the number one
uranium mind in the entire world. Now they had been a former Belgian colony, and the Belgium Mining Company had the concession in Katanga, which was the area where all of the minerals, most of the minerals in the Congo was and Belgium had signed a contract with us that they get one hundred percent of the uranium out of
the Congo. So Lumamba flies to Washington, d c. And after he becomes prime minister, and he says, you know what, I'm fine with that, I'll give you one hundred percent of the uranium, but I don't want to be paying what the Congo should be getting in the concession to Belgium. I want to cut Belgium out of it because we're not a Belgium colony anymore. They have no rights to our minerals. Not only would Eisenhower not meet with him, vice President Nixon at the time would not meet with him.
And he does finally get a meeting with the Secretary of State, and he's a prime minister of a foreign country, the.
Country with massive resources.
Massive Yes, the Secretary of State tells him to pound sand. We're not interested, We're not cutting Belgium out. So Patrice Lumumba goes home and he says, okay, I'm kicking Belgium out of the country. Belgium at the time was still one their military And Belgium comes back and says, no, our officers are not leaving. If you want to fill the ranks of the enlisted with Conglinese, that's fine, but our Belgium officers aren't leaving. And Patrisa Lumumba says, I'll
I'll check you on that one. You're all leaving. And what they did with Otto Skorzini is they send him to Katanga. They set up one of the at that time one of the largest NATO installations in Katanga, and they pay the president, which at the time was kind of like a figurehead of the Congo and the guy in Katanga that was basically like functioning as the governor of that area to create a civil war and it's
actually NATO fighting in Katanga against the Conglinese. And immediately the guy that's there stooge there, he declares Katanga a separate country, plants a flag, says we're a separate country. Immediately all of NATO and the US recognize Katanga as a separate country, and so they basically then plot the kidnapping of Blumamba, they kill him. He's driven around in
the trunk of a CIA car for two weeks. They they bury him, and then they decide, well, we can't bury him because if anybody finds him, they'll martyr him and it's just going to be more chaos. So how about if we unbury him and we dissolved his body and acid, so no one's going to find him. And that's what they did. And we didn't know most of that until a few years ago when the Belgium. One of the Belgium enlisted people that was on that operation.
He had kept one of Lumamba's gold teeth, wow, and he returned it to the family.
That's dark. Yeah, they put him in a fifty gallon drum, almost like a mob hit or something like super Dark.
So this is basically this worldwide terror network at operation in operation funded out of NATO and all of these intelligence agencies with illicit drug and so then you start going, well, wait a minute, is everything that we've done in the military about drugs because you look at Vietnam and then you look at Afghanistan. Ie, after we get into Afghanistan, the opium production goes off. The roof and Afghanistan two
is in the immediate aftermath of nine to eleven. And you go back and you look, and I did the chart the UN shows after the Taliban, after Afghanistan one is over, which was one hundred percent CIA, you have the production of opium go to almost zero in Afghanistan. The Taliban outlaws it. So in the year two thousand, the lowest amount of opium production in Afghanistan occurs. And what happens the next year nine to eleven? What happens then we go back into Afghanistan and what happens to
the opium production is off the chart? It goes, yeah, it it, It goes higher than it had ever been prior to nine to eleven. So now I'm going, what the hell? And then you look at Latin America. What happened when we went and destabilized all of those countries? Oh well, and I just found out they actually had a name called the Crystal Triangle. So you have the cocaine right, yeah, yeah, So now it's literally like do.
You know that You probably know this, but maybe the listeners don't. Pablo Escobar literally I think he was was called Klaus Barbie was enlisted, but it was another paper clip Nazi who was in Ecuador or something like that or Peru. I forgot which one, but like literally it was like these these ratlined Nazis were still around. Barbie was involved in politics, like it's incredible.
Yes, So I just did a bunch of shows and we're doing a book right now about the cocaine wars in Columbia. What most people don't know about Pablo Escobar and the reason why he was assassinated is Pablo Escobar was a drug dealer, but he was not one of the CIA drug dealers, and he refused to play the CIA game. Pablo Escobar was referred to in Colombia as the Robin Hood of the drug dealers. He reinvested all of his proceeds in Colombia. He built schools, he built cities,
he built houses. Well, that's not the whole idea of the drug trade. The whole idea of the drug trade is to launder your money into the United States and by real estate. So he was on the outs of the medaling cartel, was on the outs of the Cali cartel, and so the CIA gets in bed with the Cali cartel and basically marginalizes the medaling cartel. So Noriega got it caught in the middle of that. Obviously we over threw his government.
So Klaus Barbie was in Bolivia. I got it wrong, but he had some kind of connection to Escobar.
So Bolivia was the country where a lot of the coca plants, and I didn't know this until recently. Coca plants were grown throughout Latin America for and sold internationally for municipal purposes and tea, so it was a legitimate crop for like one hundred years longer. And someone figured out with a whole bunch of chemicals that you can
convert coca leaves into cocaine. Now, if you honestly wanted to fight a war against drugs and you know that the production from a coca leaf to cocaine requires tons and tons of chemicals, would you cut chemicals off? Do you think we did? No, because US corporation were shipping the chemicals down there, and they shipped them in large part through Brazil, which we controlled by this point, into
Colombia for the production. So there's never been an honest effort to actually eradicate drugs from anywhere in the world, and every time someone successfully did it, like Evo Morales gets elected president of Bolivia, he kicks out USAID, he kicks out all of the US funded NGOs, and he reverts back because he was a cocoa dealer himself, he reverts back to the traditional use of coca plants, he
does not make them illegal, and he goes off. He basically goes on to but he was a thorn in the CIA side because they were getting a lot of the coca leafs from Bolivia, so of course they're at odds with him. But every single time someone tries to eliminate a drug supply from anywhere, the CIA go in and takes them out.
Wow, it's incredible one. And it's just all part of this kind of underground global network of like house factors all over that really aren't limited to NATO, so global Gladio it really is.
And it's an effort for what I refer to as the International Syndicate, which is this group of oligarchs that want to control all of the resources. So if a country is discovered to have a resource that you want and you don't control the government, and it doesn't matter if that resource is drugs or the resources gold or the resource is uranium. It doesn't matter if they have a resource you want copper, you just go in and overthrow the government and then the US goes in and
plunders the country. That's what's going on in Ukraine. That's why I say none of this stuff ever stopped. If right right now, what are they trying to do to Donald Trump? He will not play along with them, and they have done literally everything they can. They tried to coop him at least four times during his first administration. They tried to assassinate him at least two times that we all know about. If you don't play their game, they will take you out.
Same thing's happening in Syria. By the way, like they just tried to start.
Asad was one of the last men standing in their global game. Now we have putin as one of the last man standing and they've surrounded him with NATO and they have launched repeated attacks. The whole Chetsnea thing that was an Operation Gladio. All of those quote unquote Muslims were trained by the mushah Haden and Tajikistan and some of the other former Soviet areas and they were piped into Chetsnia to create the Chetznian War.
Fascinating. I think they tried to kill Putin too. I think I'm pretty sure that there was at least one assassination.
At least a couple of times.
Yeah, yeah, So it's just astonishing the kind of how this goes. Have you ever heard of the group Combat eighteen. It was supposedly a Gladio group in England. Does that sow familiar to you.
I've heard of it, I've not done a lot of research into it. England had has several entities that they use internal to England.
They all do, and they have different code names and stuff like that. I remember ganz Are talking about that. Yeah, it would be all different. But some of the most historic things were in Italy where they had like years of lead and these Gladio groups were assassinating people and terriorason.
We know so much about Italy is because after nineteen ninety when Andreotti exposed the whole thing, they went through about fifteen years of trials and expose's and the revelation, well what was funny about his and just for the audience. The reason why I knew this was something that God wanted me to research When I read Paul Williams book, I got to the part where he's talking about Andreotti's speech to the Senate and it happened on the second
of August of nineteen ninety. And the reason why that date sticks in my mind is because my plane landed in Italy the morning of the second of August nineteen ninety for my three year assignment in Italy. I walked off the airplane into the Rome airport and it is filled with carabinary with AK forty seven, and I've got my daughter, who's like ten years old with me, and I'm going, what the hell have I done? Because I had a choice. I didn't have to go to Italy?
Is this what Italy looks like? What I didn't know at the time until I got to Brendicy's Airport in southern Italy, where which was near where my base was going to be, is that's the exact same day Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait. So yeah, and and what was that all about? That was a NATO operation in which the week before a April Gillespie, who was at the in Iraq as the quote unquote ambassador, basically gave Saddam Hussein
the permission to go into Kuwait. And so if you knew, if you're NATO and you knew that you were about to get exposed, would you want a distraction?
Yes, absolutely, And it just so.
Happens to happen on the exact same day.
Unbelievably, it's hard to believe that's chance. Did you ever look into the death of Aldo Moro? Was that actually done by leftists?
No, it was not. It was one hundred percent. As a matter of fact, just before he was actually abducted, there was another plan by the CIA to do that that was called off at the last minute.
Interesting supposedly called off. He was really was abducted, but he was kind of like a Christian.
There was that separate what he was going to do a unified government. You're not allowed to have a unified anything because then there's going to be people talking. They had a separate plan that was called off. He actually was abducted, he was murdered, and there's a whole long story about that, but it was one hundred percent part of the strategy of tension. And the same thing with Olaf Palm in Sweden.
Yes, I've done a show on that too. That's an interest never never wow and nobody, and it's totally done by right wingers, but nobody ever got arrested. It's really their JFK.
Yes, and his assistant was also gunned down with a.
Very high caliber gun or like something just really crazy. Yes, I've done a show on that. One of the guy who wrote I don't know if you know this, but the guy who wrote The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo whose name escapes me. Now, he also did a huge investigation into Palma. Yeah, and really fascinating stuff. But it all led back to these gladiotypes. Right wingers, hard rightists. Palma was a leftist, right walking.
Well see I don't use okay never it was liberal.
What's the term? He was a He wasn't a fascist.
He was a non performist right.
These are actual One of the interesting thing things is that these are actual fascists. These aren't like somebody name calling somebody a Nazi fastest. A lot of these guys are literal fascists.
No, they are one percent. And that's why that Nazi International. If you go back and you look at the Fabian Society in the late eighteen hundreds, they actually talk about the fact that we're going to have three world wars and we're going to basically implement one world government. They talked about it back then. So and they were going to use fascist dictatorships around the world in order to implement this. They love them.
Yeah, no, it's incredible.
So let me get to the second point of who our Gladio operatives are. So I began looking into terrorism in the United States and you come up with several themes. So if you look at one of the common denominators between JFK's assassination and our case assassination and the murder of the Chilean ambassador Latier in the cart.
It's a really good book, really good book. I recommend to go. I've had as a guest. His name is McPherson, and it's called the Ghost of Sheridan Circle because it was one of the circles in DC. It's the only assassination of a diplomat in the history I think of DC or the United States or something like that.
So what you find is the common denominator the overthrow of Nixon during Watergate. What you find is as a common denominator is a group of Cuban exiles in Miami all of which were trained by the CIA. And you also find that those Cuban exiles were deployed all over the world. They were in El Salvador, they were in Nicaragua, they were in Guatemala, they were in a These, they
were in Vietnam, they were in the Philippines. They have been a global terrorist organization that was set up and trained exclusively by the CIA, and they were implicated in many of what I would refer to as Gladio style operations in the United States. And to that point, Lyman Limitsker, the guy I talked about that was at that secret meeting. He goes on to be a four star general. He is the chief of staff when JFK becomes president. Lyman
Limitsker wrote Operation Northwood. That was his product in coordination with Allen Dallies. And what it does is it lines out several Gladio operations that can be conducted inside the United States, like bombing cities dressed up as Cuban military so we can justify a ground invasion of Cuba. So he's actually writing a document to implement Operation Gladio style domestic terror events. Because he's very familiar with Gladio, he helps set it up at the post World War two operations.
And then JFK is so appalled by the fact that a general would write something like that, but the Bay of Pigs had just happened, so he doesn't want to fire fire him and make him retire, so he reassigns him from Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff And do you know where he put him?
No, I don't.
He becomes the chief of NATO.
Wow, yeah, wow.
And NATO's running Operation Gladio. And less than a year later he's dead.
JFK's dead. Yeah. Yeah, it's incredible, Like I mean, for people who don't know, Lettelier was underling of Allende, who actually was very much involved in the copper trade. He was involved in redistributing that wealth that was there, trying to get it back to the people of Chile. But it was Cuban who was a Cuban. Four Cuban guys also involved in Watergate and just so many other things
like they're supposedly Cubans. A JFK assassination, I think one you even mentioned was Rodriguez was involved I think with the Stone Cold involved in killing Guivara and war Jerry Shay Grivara's watch. I think I don't know if he's still a lot, but I think you mentioned that Tucker Carlson interviewed him. You wonder how smart Carlson is sometimes because he didn't get into the nitty gritty. It's almost like he covered for him by not asking really hardcore
intel questions, which I think Carlson should know. He's a member of the Pilgrim Society, among other things at Metro Appolitan Club, like he's a blue blood all the way parading he's a like the most plastic every man crazy like it's all image for me.
Yeah, I'm wondering if he's parading these people in front of Americans to get them to do their own research. Because the very first post I made after listening to that interview was to Tucker Carlson saying, you need to fire your security, right.
You know, it's a good question. It's a mystery, like sometimes you get the front of these people and their responses to things. I remember when Carlson was interviewing Putin, and Putin really was trying to talk about Russian history and Carlson was like, what the guy, what the hell is this guy trying to do? But Carlson was the intermediary between Putin explaining things to the American people. Because
we're in freaking Mockingbird. We don't know squat about what's going on in the world correct intentionally, So it's it is a mystery. I mean, it's incredible when you think, like I've heard of like guys like who's it Jose Calison, that McVeigh is Operation American. Operation Gladiol was destabilizing, and that a lot of these white supremacist groups are already infiltrated and they're creating this tensions that people can then
strike back at them or do something in that. I mean, Fay's an intel and this Strassmeier guy.
The Strassmeier guy is tied directly to Germany's His grandfather was part of Operation Gladiol under Hitler. His grandfather there you go. Yeah, and he went back to work for the German.
B and d Boones knocked deanst or something like that. Yeah, I mean this people can't believe it, like these cover stories, but here's yeah, that's like that. Whole era, though, was this destabilization psychological warfare to.
Create a narrative of white Christian nationalist as domestic terrorist, the Ruby Ridge Waco, and it had to be Christian, white Christian nationalist or terrorist. And you had Ruby Ridge Waco in Oklahoma in quick series.
I think the day today's the anniversary of Ruby Ridge. I think Ruby and it was also that was also an intel up all the way. I mean they framed that, correct, They like turned him into church, like, hey, can you give me a sawed off shotgun?
I mean he tried to recruit him and he told them no.
Right right, yeah, like I'm not part of this. What's your take on McVeigh? Is he an asset?
So at some point he was co opted? I don't know at what point that happened. But he was not a kind of a stooge. He was not. If you go back and you look at the way the entire thing unfolded, he was a knowing participant in that operation.
Interesting, right, so like he knew he was in an operation. He wasn't a white supremacist. He was kind of playing a role or a persona or correct now. I think he visited Bill Cooper and then the aced Cooper too, I think right after nine to eleven. Actually, that's a whole nother story of questionable story. So it's just so crazy. And then like you can, people are saying, like some researchers saying, what's happening now? Is this this reiteration of
the strategy of tension? Okay, so you believe that, A.
Yes, absolutely, I don't believe it ever went away.
Interesting, and they're running it for their own advantage and to you know, d stable society something.
Look what they did in Ukraine. We go in there in two thousand and four and overthrow the government. We go there in twenty fourteen and we overthrow the government. And who do we use? We use Azab Battalion and Right Sector, both of which are the modern day Nazis in Ukraine. Igor Kolmoyski becomes the governor post twenty fourteen of the region right next to the Donbass Region. And what's his first act as governor? He brings all of the Azov battalions in as his quote unquote security, Well,
who do you need security from those Azov battalions. Immediately worked with the CIA, and this came out in the New York Times. They build over I think it was fourteen is what they said, secret underground sites along the don Bass region and then immediately start attacking the don Bass region. Why because they wanted to provoke a war with Russia that went on from twenty fourteen until twenty
twenty two. And Putin told Tucker that one of his primary goals was to denazify Ukraine and he wasn't kidding.
He stated that over and over in public speeches, especially like I think when the war started February twenty twenty two, he stated that as well.
So there is modern day Gladio going on all the.
Time, all the time, like fine, secret financing, secret agendas. Did you ever tie the Brevent killings? Was it eighty two to eighty five to Gladio? Oh? Wo okay, so those are Gladio. That's another weird crime that nobody ever got caught for. Like you went into supermarkets and blew people away in the most savage man in manner.
What do you what? You find some patterns in all of this is they love killing women and children because psychologically, you get more bang for your buck than killing a guy. And they love targeting music venues like Las Vegas and like the October seventh in Israel because you get young people, a lot of females, and then you get more bang for your psychological book.
Yeah, ten to seven was a total inside job, total false folg attack, Like those were all people that that net Yahoo and his crew eight. It's a bunch of like Pinko, left Wind, I don't know whatever, non fascist types. Yeah, it's just happening over and over and all it's on. It's still current. But these Brebant killings actually cop popped back into the news within the last week because they have a new lead. So we'll see what happens with that.
But those are extraordinary and they could be blamed in a gang or whatever. But it's like these are so violent. Why would criminals who wanted to just steal stuff from a supermarket or you know, thieves go in so hard and just kill people?
Like what you find? Yeah, what you find is that was there was a movement going on at the time in Belgium to try to get rid of NATO, and there were all kinds of unrest there. They have two distinct kind of what do you call it, ethnic groupings.
And Yamish and yeah.
And so there was a lot of Again it's strategy of tension. You played both sides so that you can control all of the people and psychologically, when you have these terror events, you get complacent people because they want safety, and that's what that was all about.
Wow, it's incredible. It's just around like I mean, some of these things that I mean, I've always been suspicious about this guy Boltner who killed these two people in Minnesota, his background, what he was up to. He attempted killing a funtas. There's a lot of really strange like that guy you tried to coffunt us. He was savage, he killed a lot of different people, and he was smart.
He wore a motorcycle helmet to conceal his identity. Like that's a that's like somebody pre thinking something or you know, I don't know where they come from. I got my list. It's Ruth and Crooks and there was a recent one livels Burger Jabbar. Like when you look at them all, Luigi Mangioni, like some of these guys are not Manngioni is very strange. But these guys came out of Fort Bragg, like they've been traced to Fort Bragg. Like this is really dark stuff.
It is very dark stuff.
We're at the hour mark. I don't want to keep you too long. Do you have anything you'd like to add or anything I missed before?
Now I think we kind of covered the nuts and bolts of it. Obviously, I have hundreds of hours of shows. We've looked at everything. Not everything, We'll never look at everything, but we've looked at a lot of things. I also on Wednesday night have a show on the Alpha Warrior Show, and we've done like sixty some shows. We did Jonestown with Jim Jones that totally was Glatio and m k Ultra operation We've looked at We went back and looked at the O. J. Simpson. Yeah.
So when you said the Alpha Warriors, so is that a podcast or is that on.
Alpha Warrior podcast? Yeah? That has kind of my late breaking. He has a huge audience I don't, and so most of the most sensational things that I release I do on his show. On my show, I basically do book reviews. It's kind of the deep, nitty gritty aspects of Operation Gladio. That's where I did Cynthia Chung's book, and I've done both volumes of Whitney Webb's book, and we concentrate on going really in depth on my channel. As an additional
resource for people to be able to look at. And the best place to find me is on the Rumble channel, the Colonel's Corner and also on x it's at Colonel spelled out towner, Colonel town.
So I'll put I'll try to find a link to the Awful Warrior, but I'll put a link to your Rumble and then your Twitter. And I've had a lot of your guests. I had Chip On by the way, I talked to him too, really good book. But Cynthia Chung's book is The Empire upon Which the Sun Never Set?
Is that right, that's the Black Sun Never Set?
Yeah, black Son, thank you. Really good book too.
It is a very good book because it goes into the history of Gladio.
Yeah. Wow, mind blowing stuff. It really is happening worldwide, Like this kind of thing is happening in the US. I think a lot of the stuff is not it's artificial. It's not you know, somebody's pushing these guys to do stuff, or sometimes these guys are online and they have mysterious FBI supposed FBI agents or all kinds of weird stuff like that. But thanks for sharing all of your knowledge and for doing your research. I'd have you back to
talk about other things anytime. And again, the guest's full name is Colonel Roxanne Towner Watkins. Last name was spelled t O w n E R dash w A t k i n S. And we talked about global gladiol and it's this intricate web of stuff that happened from World War Two to the present. So thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate it.
Thank you for having me all right, that