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Remembering Sycamore Gap

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On September 27th 2023, the famous Sycamore Gap tree in Northumberland was felled overnight in an act of vandalism, triggering a far-reaching wave of shock and sorrow.  Join Heather Birkett, as she goes behind the scenes to explore the enduring impact of this beloved landmark, the aftermath of its loss, and the community’s efforts to preserve its memory.

This episode has been updated from an previous release; National Trust Podcast - Sycamore Gap |One Year on

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Host: Heather Birkett
Producer: Nikki Ruck, Katy Kelly, Pippa Tilbury-Harris
Sound Design: Nikki Ruck   

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To find out the latest information surrounding The Sycamore Gap Tree including The Trees of Hope campaign
www.nationaltrust.org.uk/sycamore-gap

Find out what’s on in Northumberland Park and The Sill: National Landscape Discovery Centre
https://www.northumberlandnationalpark.org.uk/whats-on/

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Transcript

ROSIE HOLDSWORTH

Hello and welcome to Wild Tales. I'm Rosie Holdsworth and for this episode I'm handing you over to gardens expert Heather Birkett. Nine months ago we released a podcast about a tree that moved an entire nation. This was no ordinary tree but one that stood majestically in a gap between the hills. A tree so iconic it became a symbol of the landscape itself.

HEATHER BIRKETT

On the 28th of September 2023, the world reacted with shock and sorrow to the news that the Sycamore Gap tree had been felled overnight. Over the following year, we were able to go behind the scenes and gain access to the people closest to this story to uncover how this crisis unfolded, what happened next, and why it's meant so much to so many. And

now, because of the renewed interest in the tree. We're re-releasing this episode, complete with an update at the end, sharing the latest conservation news from Sycamore Gap. As I sit with a cuppa, I can't help but reflect on the headlines that echoed around the globe. This one says, "Sycamore Gap, iconic tree seen lying next To Hadrian's Wall after being felled." Another declares, " Famous Sycamore Gap Tree Found

Cut Down Overnight." And one particularly poignant headline, "The last time I visited Sycamore Gap, I never imagined I would never see it again." I start my journey in December 2023, just over two months after the felling, to try and understand the impact of this loss firsthand. We've come to Northumberland. We're surrounded by green rolling hills, which rise gently up and then drop away sharply, giving the whole landscape a sense that it's been tilted on

its side. It feels remote, other than a few cottages and the occasional sound of a tractor or a car, and this fantastic stone wall. It's been here for 1,900 years. Hadrian's Wall is a real feature of the landscape. So we've reached a gap between two hills. At the bottom of the gap there's this fenced off enclosure which surrounds the stump that used to be the Sycamore Gap tree and I'm hoping to meet Andrew and Luke here today who are going to tell me a bit more about what happened.

LUKE STRASZEWSKI

Hi I'm Luke, I'm one of the ranger team up here on the Hadrian's Wall estate.

HEATHER BIRKETT

Hi nice to meet you.

ANDREW POAD

My name's Andrew Poad, I'm general manager for Northumberland Coast in Hadrian's Wall country and as you can hear in the background I've got my dogs with me today so I've got Goose who's whining.

HEATHER BIRKETT

Hello, Goose

ANDREW POAD

She's only eight months old, and Archie was much older and just sat quietly in the background.

HEATHER BIRKETT

So why do you think the tree was so iconic?

ANDREW POAD

It was a recognised landmark prior to its appearance in Prince of Thieves back in 1991. That was the launch of its career. It was referred to locally as the Kevin Costner tree because of the film. And then my belief is with the advent of social media, it became that symbol that everybody wanted to capture for their Instagram moment. And in so doing became... emblematic of this part of the world.

HEATHER BIRKETT

As well as finding fame in the Hollywood blockbuster Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves, the tree was also awarded the title "English Tree of the Year," in 2016 by the Woodland Trust, a further testament to its popularity. We have a fenced off area here. It's about three metres square. And in the centre, there is what I can only describe as a significantly large tree stump. Luke. Tell me what's happened here.

LUKE STRASZEWSKI

The tree was a pretty striking part of the landscape. It was around 15 metres tall, but it had a good canopy. It was in good health. This, sadly, was felled overnight in an act of vandalism. And the fence is up now round to protect the stump in the hopes that we'll get some regeneration.

HEATHER BIRKETT

Andrew, were you the first to get the call when this happened?

ANDREW POAD

Yeah, the National Park are based at the Sill, which is just within sight of where we are now. Their staff spotted there was something missing on their way into work. So I got a call from them. Initial reaction was that it was a hoax, because we've had hoaxes in the past, and then we had had storm Agnes the night before. The initial thought was that it's somehow blown down. But then very quickly, they managed to get the National Trail Ranger on site, who was able to clarify

that it had actually been cut down. So that shifted things considerably from a natural accident to a deliberate act.

HEATHER BIRKETT

And it didn't take long for the news to spread.

ANDREW POAD

Within the hour, the whole world knew because it hit social media, my work channels, my personal channels, everything started lighting up in front of me.

HEATHER BIRKETT

Luke, you came down here and found a felled tree. What happened next?

LUKE STRASZEWSKI

Our first priority was to make sure that the site was safe because the tree had fallen onto the North side and it was hanging up in the air. So the first thing we needed to do was make sure that it wasn't shifting, that it wasn't a risk to the public. So we cordoned off the area just to make sure no one could get too close to it. And at that point, obviously, our thought turned to what can we do to preserve the

tree. Over the next couple of days, we collected cuttings, we collected seed with the hope that we can get some regeneration and so that we can hopefully get a new Sycamore Gap tree.

HEATHER BIRKETT

The seeds and cuttings were immediately sent on to the National Trust Plant Conservation Centre, a specialist plant nursery. But there was still the pressing matter of what to do with the tree.

ANDREW POAD

It was apparent to us, to everybody really, that we needed to come up with a plan to remove the tree effectively.

HEATHER BIRKETT

The team then began preparing the site for the tree's removal. But as Luke explains, there were a few challenges to overcome.

LUKE STRASZEWSKI

So the first issue we had with it is the tree had fallen onto Hadrian's Wall itself, and so we needed to do what we could to preserve. the UNESCO World Heritage Site. That meant we were quite limited in our options. That meant we needed to lift it off the wall. So that meant we were going to have to get a crane in.

HEATHER BIRKETT

Bringing a piece of machinery that size into the gap was a first.

LUKE STRASZEWSKI

We are quite fortunate in that the tree was used as a filming location for Robin Hood and a road was put in. That meant that we could get it quite close, but it was very tricky. Sections of the tree had to be removed bit by bit. And they had to be held back as well to make sure that they didn't roll or fall in any way. We used the crane to lift it out and then we moved all of that wood onto a trailer and that was taken away to another location.

ANDREW POAD

It was quite a challenge, we had the world's media sat on the little hill to the south of us so not only were we doing something totally unprecedented we'd never done before but we had all the cameras pointing at us while we we were doing it. So that was a bit of a tense few hours.

HEATHER BIRKETT

On Friday the 13th of October, the tree was carefully lifted off Hadrian's Wall and covertly transported to a top secret location within the National Trust. But as a sycamore is part of the Acer family, the team needed to act quickly. The clock was ticking the moment it was felled, as the sugars within the wood could quickly lead to fungi and decay. To preserve it as best as possible, The tree was put under the care of a specialist team until a decision could be made on its future.

I can see some items left at the base of the tree. Some flowers, a homemade cross.

LUKE STRASZEWSKI

A lot of people have got a real connection with Sycamore Gap. It's been a part of the local community. People had proposals here. Everyone comes out here for a picnic. People have left memorials and mementos to loved ones who've passed away here and Sycamore Gap is just a part of their lives

ANDREW POAD

Having worked with it over these last 30 years i definitely saw how important it was to people but i think i hadn't appreciated the reach of that

JUDITH WARD

It's been there all my life you look in the gap oh there's a tree look at all them people standing around the tree. Look at them all come to see it, take the pictures, get the selfies. My name is Judith Ward and I am one of the workers and front of house supervisor at the Twice Brewed Inn. The pub itself is situated right on the Roman Wall alongside one of the largest tourist destinations in England. And then that morning my husband rang me and said, the tree's

down. And I went. What do you mean? He says, the tree's down. I went, no. So I jumped back in my car and I could see the cut end of the tree. And I stopped the car and I took a picture and I put it in our group chat. And then the picture started coming in online. And it's just senseless. It stood there through the test of time. It stood through many a storm, the harshest of weather conditions, and my brother proposed there, and it just seems unfathomable. It's just altered the landscape forever.

HEATHER BIRKETT

The global response to the felling of the tree has been heartfelt and touching, and in the days following its fall, the tributes and messages came flooding in.

MARK ROBINSON

The sycamore of Sycamore Gap, more than just a tree. It's a part of our identity, a symbol of pride and belonging for the North East, from badges on school uniforms to the backs of joiners vans. It's a part of our everyday life, whether we visit it or not. A place of deep personal connection, of landmarks in our lives, of romantic proposals and poignant farewells, of memories and sandwiches shared with those we love, or of solitude and

reflection, of peace, recovery and hope. For some, its loss lays bare the vulnerability of nature itself. My name is Mark Robinson, and I am an Experiences and Partnerships Curator for the National Trust based up in the North East. I was asked to review and collate the responses that were coming in from the public. People's responses on social media, but in particular the responses that people had shared in the memory room in the exhibition at The Sill.

The memory room was a kind of a pop-up, impromptu place for people to share their memories of the tree. It felt important to find a way to somehow capture that. Some people wrote long stories, some people wrote poems, some people drew pictures. I think the thing that struck me the most was particularly from school children. That there was a huge amount of hope. There was a lot of references to this tree will come again or we will not forget

you. And it was a really humbling experience really to spend the day reading all of the responses, but also to kind of remind yourself of just how important places can be.

HEATHER BIRKETT

And while Mark and his team were sifting through the responses from the public, the staff at the National Trust Plant Conservation Centre were working against the clock.

CHRIS TRIMMER

Once material has been cut off the tree, it is divine. So we need to get in there as soon as possible to do our work. I'm Chris Strimmer, I'm the Plant Conservation Centre Manager and I look after all the rare and unusual plants in the National Trust. I actually found out that the tree had been cut down from our national press team. I had a phone call and essentially we just started all the prep work behind the scenes. To move plant material we have to issue what's called a plant

passport. Did that straight away. One of our gardens consultants were actually on site within sort of day, day and a half afterwards and they sent material down to us through the post. They sent first class and it arrived here nine o'clock on Saturday morning. We asked for seed, which is one of the easiest methods of propagation, but also cuttings, doing grafting, budding. From the same sort of material. So by Saturday five o'clock everything was propagated and it's all gone quite well so far.

We've got 21 cuttings, we've got five budded trees, we've got 15 grafted trees and we've sown four seed trays so far of seeds. But we don't know what's going to happen but the stump that's been left behind will probably grow as a multi stemmed tree but it'll never look the same as it did and it'll be another... Two, three hundred years before it looks good.

HEATHER BIRKETT

And then all their efforts paid off. They successfully propagated cuttings and cultivated seeds, creating a whole new generation of Sycamore Gap trees. The first of these made a special journey to London in May, where it was put on display for all to see in the National Trust Garden at the Chelsea Flower Show. The young seedling was placed into the garden by

seven-year-old Charlotte. And Dame Judi Dench, who affectionately named it Antoninus, after Emperor Hadrian's adopted son, inspired by the location of the Sycamore Gap tree. Charlotte and her parents, Andy and Louise, travelled down from their home in Northumberland.

LOUISE

Well, I grew up in Haydon Bridge, which is, what, maybe five miles from the gap. When we found out the day it happened, we were both at work and Charlotte was at school, and that night, went for a drive along, just.to see if it was true, and it was just so strange not seeing that tree there. It was quite emotional, wasn't it, when you find out and you think. That's just a tree, why am I getting upset over a tree?

But it's strange how a tree up in Northumberland is all over the world has made such an impact on everyone. I just remember Charlotte was saying to me one day, oh, I've got to do this with the school, write a poem about Sycamore Gap.

HEATHER BIRKETT

A competition was set up, inviting pupils from Henshaw Primary School, the closest school to Sycamore Gap, in which pupils were invited to draw a picture of the tree and write a short poem about what it meant to them. And it was Charlotte's poem which won.

CHARLOTTE

I went to see Harian's Wall and I saw a tree. It was a mindful tree. It was a mindful, famous tree. It was a mindful, famous, historical tree. It was a mindful, famous, historical, magnificent tree. It was a mindful, famous, historical, magnificent, welcoming tree. I really hope Sycamore Gap grows back. When I go and see the tree, it brings back lots of memories.

HEATHER BIRKETT

After the show, the seedling was returned to the Plant Conservation Centre, where it continues to grow alongside its siblings until they are ready for planting the first successful sapling has been gifted to his Royal Highness the King in honour of celebration day. A day dedicated to remembering those no longer with us. This special tree will be planted in Windsor Great Park for all visitors to enjoy. It is now the beginning of July ten months after the felling and

hopes of any regrowth at the stump are starting to fade. But at various sites in Northumberland, the first artworks are about to go on display. These are five prints by Shona Brannigan, who is known for her evocative tree prints. The prints have been commissioned by the National Trust as a creative response to the public's suggestions. This collection, lovingly titled Heartwood, is designed to

reflect the intricate shape and essence of the tree trunk. The five prints will be showcased together at the Queen's Hall, Hexham, and then at the Baltic Art Gallery in Newcastle. Then, at the end of July, I get a call from Andrew Poad, General Manager at Hadrian's Wall, with the news that we have all been hoping for.

ANDREW POAD

We've just heard from our colleagues at the National Park that... The stumps actually started regrowing, which is brilliant news.

HEATHER BIRKETT

Oh, that's fantastic news, Andrew.

ANDREW POAD

Yeah, it was a real pleasant surprise to get the call. The really nice story is the chap who found it, is the first person that was on site that confirmed that the tree had actually been felled. He's the National Trail Ranger for Hadrian's Wall. So it's really nice that it's him that's the one that's spotted the regrowth first. A little bit of serendipity there. So the last time I was there, we'd got up to 12. New shoots. They're only a few centimetres tall and a few

centimetres across with two or three leaves on each shoot. And they're a lovely rusty red colour at the moment. And that's great. I mean, this is nature bouncing back. This is how it responds and whether all the shoots survive or not remains to be seen. I'm delighted the tree's regrowing, although it'll never look the same as the original tree. It's the best possible outcome we could get. So it's really nice to share.

When I was on site sharing that with other people, what we were saying to a lot of them who had children with them is that they're going to need to come back in 10, 20 years' time and see the results of what they've just witnessed.

HEATHER BIRKETT

As encouraging signs of regrowth emerge at the stump, plans are also underway for the stored wood. After a year of careful seasoning, the largest section has been gifted to the Northumberland National Park Authority. CEO Tony Gates tells us more.

TONY GATES

The National Park Authority, we own and run The Sill National Landscape Discovery Centre on Hadrian's Wall. It's the closest visitor centre to the site of Sycamore Gap. We get about 125,000 visitors a year through the centre. And it would have been one of the most popular starting points for people who wanted to walk to see the Sycamore Gap tree. And we gathered all the feedback that people sent to us,

following the felling of the tree. And one of the things that came through is that people wanted to see some type of long-term legacy for the tree in the Sill in the visitor centre. And so we've negotiated with the National Trust and they've kindly agreed to gift us the largest remaining intact section of the Sycamore Gap tree. And the idea is that we use that to create a lasting legacy for Sycamore Gap that people can visit in the Sill National

Landscape Centre. And it means of people who maybe physically can't get as far out as the site itself can still have some contact with the tree.

HEATHER BIRKETT

Earlier in the year, a call went out for artists to design an exhibition that would incorporate the gifted tree section. This exhibition is set to open at the Sill in the Northumberland National Park Discovery Centre, one year after the felling. The commissioned artists are Charlie Winnie, Nick Greenall and Matt Sowerby. It's a beautiful sunny day in August and I've come to a barn in rural Cumbria, nestled between the majestic fells of

the Lake District and the open waters of Morecambe Bay. It's a really special corner of Cumbria. That feels incredibly tucked away. The Barn is home to an artist's studio where the artists specialise in art made from wood. We're inside the studio now and you might be able to hear a little bit of action in the background, some sawing and drilling, but I'm sat here with two of the artists involved.

NICK GREENALL

Good afternoon, my name's Nick Greenall and this is Charlie Whinney and jointly we're both directors of a community interest company called Creative Communities and we do kind of out there art projects with members of the community who might not normally get the opportunity to do that kind of thing. On this particular project, the Sycamore Gap project, we're working with a poet called Matt Sowerby. So we've got poetry, we've got Charlie Whinney who's an amazing steam woodbender.

HEATHER BIRKETT

We come to you Charlie, I wondered if you could tell us a bit about your work.

CHARLIE WHINNEY

The reason you can see all these strange, twizzly, curly shapes around you is because my sketchbook is full of these shapes. And part of the interest and the challenge for me is to take normal wood from a tree outside and use as little energy as possible and still achieve beautiful results.

HEATHER BIRKETT

So can I ask, have you seen the tree?

NICK GREENALL

We have. Charlie was keen to study the material that he'd be working with, and there was a bit of mystery about where the tree actually might be. It may be in Devon, it may be in Berwick-upon-Tweed. And then they took us, and then the tree out of the darkness was revealed.

CHARLIE WHINNEY

When I saw it, I'd already met, I don't know, like 100 people there who had tears when it came down. And I think looking at the bark of the tree and all the interesting swirls and patterns, having already studied loads of photographs of the living tree, and it was like, oh my God, it's you. It's the same one. It was a strange feeling.

NICK GREENALL

Because I'd seen the tree in life in this dip on Hadrian's Wall. It was just very aesthetic' it was the right tree in the right place. And then seeing it cut up as a log, there was definitely a disconnect between seeing a log of wood and this formerly beautiful tree in life.

HEATHER BIRKETT

So Charlie, what happens next?

CHARLIE WHINNEY

There were two stages to this project. You've come to us now about five weeks before the first stage is going to be complete. It's going to be the one year on exhibition at the Sill. And I'm making five giant canvases that are going to go on the wall. They're going to depict the tree wrapping around the gallery, kind of life size. And in the middle of the gallery will be our log, which the National Trust have currently given us.

NICK GREENALL

So there'll be an opportunity for people to make pledges. And they may be pledges of what they're going to do for nature. And it's these pledges that will be gathered and they will form part of the final piece that Charlie is going to make.

HEATHER BIRKETT

So as a phase one, that's an amazing way to capture people's feelings and connection with the tree. What happens to all those pledges afterwards?

CHARLIE WHINNEY

I'll show you. So in my hands here, I've got one of our samples from the final sculpture. So these are just ideas.

HEATHER BIRKETT

I can see some twisted wood almost in a spiral. With a lovely grain on it, and then engraved onto the flat side of the twist some words. "I will get chickens who will eat our scraps." At the exhibition at the Sill, visitors will see a section of the felled Sycamore Gap tree, along with all the artwork surrounding it. Charlie's also designed seating for the show, so visitors can sit, reflect and immerse in the exhibition.

NICK GREENALL

So we're going to go next door now and we've been steaming some wood. So the process of steam wood bending is we heat the wood in a steam chamber and all the lignin and cellulose in the wood becomes malleable and then you're able to bend it. It's quite a marvellous thing to see. So let's go and have a look.

HEATHER BIRKETT

Sounds like magic.

CHARLIE WHINNEY

This metal thing here is a compression strap that I'm going to put on the outside of the wood. It's called a compression strap so it's going to literally squash all the fibres as we bend around. The wood needs to be about 100 degrees, If it isn't then it'll break. So this is a piece of Ash that I'm putting in here. So I'm going to put it into the compression strap and I'm going to see how many times I can bend this piece of Ash around here.

I'm going to go for number four. There we go. There's our thing.

HEATHER BIRKETT

And then it was my turn to have a go.

CHARLIE WHINNEY

Do you see all the sculptures over there?

HEATHER BIRKETT

Yes.

CHARLIE WHINNEY

You're making one of them.

HEATHER BIRKETT

Okay.

CHARLIE WHINNEY

Can you see they all look completely different?

HEATHER BIRKETT

Yes.

CHARLIE WHINNEY

So there's no rules?

HEATHER BIRKETT

Okay.

CHARLIE WHINNEY

You can do what you want.

HEATHER BIRKETT

Charlie has handed me five strands of wood that we're going to wrap around here.

CHARLIE WHINNEY

Yes.

HEATHER BIRKETT

Oh, it's not easy.

CHARLIE WHINNEY

That's perfect. There we go.

HEATHER BIRKETT

Like a granny knot in wood. Thank you so much for showing me your workshop, Charlie, and to show us how this wood is bent. And it really gives us an insight into the kind of methods and skills involved in the work that you're going to be doing for the Sycamore Gap project. The story of the Sycamore Gap tree continues to touch people across the country and beyond. Stage one of the exhibition at the Sill was hugely popular with

local people and visitors to the area. Artist Charlie Winnie. Is now working on a permanent exhibition featuring the tree, which will be revealed later this summer. In summer 2024, new shoots began emerging from the tree stump, and conservationists noticed early signs of growth again this spring. The National Trust and partners are carefully monitoring the new growth and protecting the stump with fencing, and visitors are

being respectfully asked not to touch the shoots. The plan is to leave the shoots undisturbed for a few years to see how they develop before deciding how best to manage the tree. Meanwhile, the saplings are thriving under the expert care of the Plant Conservation Centre. To mark the one-year-on anniversary, 49 of these new sycamore saplings were allocated to inspiring projects across the country through a campaign

called Trees Of Hope. Planting will begin this winter. The Sycamore Gap Tree may be gone from the landscape, but its legacy lives on in a story that is far from over. Thank you for listening to this bonus episode of Wild Tales. I hope you've enjoyed it. Make sure you get every episode. By following Wild Tales on your favourite podcast app. Even better, leave us a review or comment on an episode. We love to hear what you think.

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