That sounds pretty good .
Is something on fire . I'm sorry , cousin Mark . No , no , I can smell something burning . Burning , yes , I smell a burning . Smell . Well , there's candles on . It's like when you leave the iron on . It's like when you leave the iron on for too long . Yes , oh , my God .
The kitchen's on fire .
Is there a fire ? Hey , hang on , there's a fire .
Oh boy , Don't burn the house down .
I'm getting water , I'm getting water .
Holy shit people . They're talking about getting water and throwing water on . Hopefully , everything's okay . I don't know if I should put it on the top or . Oh God , okay , okay , that was just a big flash .
Okay .
Hi , I'm Hannah and I'm Courtney .
Join us as we delve into true crime , paranormal encounters and all things spooky , Grab your flashlight and get ready to wander into the darkness with us .
This is Wicked Wanderings . Hello Courtney , hi Hannah and hello Mark .
Welcome back here in the virtual flesh . In the virtual flesh .
We are here for part two of Mark's episode . So if you haven't listened to last week's episode , make sure you go back and listen to that one first , so you don't miss any of the details . There you go , Trust me .
Last week's episode was really interesting .
You don't want to miss it .
No , no , you don't want to miss that . This guy was quite the character . Although at first you did open by saying he was a nice gentleman , this nice clean-cut gentleman . But you know , I opened that way because that is exactly how he looked . He looked very presentable , nothing like a monster , and I'm bringing him up just like Bundy .
Oh , five minutes and 50 seconds in , and Mark brings up Bundy .
Love a good Bundy .
That's it . You look at these guys and they really don't look like they're what they do . Yep , that's what makes it so scary ?
That's what makes it so scary , is it's what makes ? It so scary , is it's it's right , hiding in plain sight ? Yep , absolutely .
And that brings us into part two , where he's becoming more brazen and he's looking for publicity .
Okay , you got me hooked . I'm interested .
Yeah , just like . Um , just like BTK did when he you know writes a letter to the editor of the newspaper and says how many people do I have to kill before I get any recognition ?
Look at me , look at me .
That's it . That's how these people are . They're only looking for themselves and their own gratification .
Attention . Motivated function attention .
That's right . So , with him looking to be in the spotlight , the police are making a plea to get him to turn himself in . Obviously , you know that doesn't happen Right At this point . There now starts a series of letters that were written and sent to the police office .
They were sent to the lab to see if they could get any biological things off of it , and one of the things that they had found was that the person who wrote the letter was a bee secretor , so they had the blood mixed with the semen when things like that happened , which only 6% of men have it .
Wait , wait , wait a minute . We've had that conversation before on a different episode . I think too . Yeah , maybe it was .
I think I also found it when I was doing the Babysitter . Can someone please remind me about that conversation ?
Hannah might have been three sheets , to the wind maybe four Listen .
Maybe , seven .
Listen , we did . We had that conversation about how only a certain percentage of men have that and that was another case . We were talking about that . That was how they determined that that was somebody they were looking at , because they fit that profile as well .
Yeah , and back then , at this time , that was the only thing they could do was analyze blood types and whatnot .
After the letter showed up , there was a cassette tape that he was using to taunt the police , of course , throwing things out there and saying different things about how you're not going to catch me and this , and that Almost like the Jack the Ripper letters that was sent during that time , the Dear Boss letters .
I always feel like these are the kids that were like , that were really good at tag You're not going to catch me . You're not going to catch me .
So was he using his actual voice on the cassette or was he like misconstruing ?
it .
He was Very , very ballsy , I figured because he was attention seeking , that it was like I'm hiding right in plain sight . I don't even have to do anything to hide it .
That's it . We come to this point where , april of 79 , he takes the life of 19 year old Josephine Whitaker . He takes the life of 19-year-old Josephine Whitaker this is the one that we had talked about before where he had her helping look at the vehicle because the vehicle wouldn't start . Why is it ?
He ended up killing her when she was looking under the hood and he dragged her out into a field .
Right , that's right . We did talk about that .
Yeah , she wasn't a prostitute . The drag marks indicated she was attacked at the road and was dragged into the field . He was not a prostitute . So that showed everybody that all women were at risk .
Right , because the police at this time were watching the red light district and he knew that they were doing this For him to go find a prostitute and do his thing .
He was changing his actions up to throw him off was it now that they just might have looked a little alluring and then he just assumed she was a prostitute ? Or is he just changing his mo like totally ? Does anyone speculate ?
or he's changing it because he's trying to see how far he can push the police . That's what it sounds like he's described .
Yes , plus , it was all , as we were getting into it last week , was the fact that he hated women .
Right yeah .
Because he had the issue with his mother cheating on his father , and his father showed him everything . It started off with prostitutes because they were easy targets . Then he just started grabbing people off the street .
And prostitutes have the sex work piece as well . So it's probably easier in his brain to say like women are , you know , whatever the thing he thinks about their sexual acts . And then he finds women who do that for work , and I'm sure that that's an easy , easy generalization for him to make .
Yeah , a couple of letters were still coming in . The police still had the audio tapes for him to make . Yeah , a couple of letters were still coming in . The police still had the audio tapes . They had a stamp on the envelope from the post office and a voice that had an accent that narrowed where he could be from .
Let me guess Yorkshire .
Oh it was . It was like a . I think they said it was like a Cockney accent .
Oh , okay .
Which was in a different part of England .
It's amazing , just for such a small part of a continent , how their accents do change .
It really is amazing . I mean , ours are kind of like that too , yeah but America's huge .
America's huge , though . Listen to Mark talk .
Yeah , but you guys are out there with your accent and then I'm out here with the Boston accent .
Do we have an accent ? We do we have an accent .
Yeah , yours is more Connecticut-based .
Ew what no one likes Connecticut .
I know that , but I didn't say New York , so Does mine sound like dragons .
Where the dragons are from .
I don't know if he knows that story , Does he ? I can't . So when I went to college a quick segue I went to Maine for two years and then I went to Worcester State for my last two years , and so when I moved into Worcester State , my dad's helping me move my stuff in and somebody . My dad will talk to anybody .
He's like the mayor of every place he's ever been , so somebody said oh , where are you from ? And he was like the Berkshires . And they immediately were like , oh , where the dragons are . And he was like , uh , sure , I guess . And then every person who asked us for the rest of that day we got in the truck .
He's like what the fuck do they mean where the dragons are ? And we never understood .
People sometimes will still say it to me and I'm like I don't know what that means yeah , like I've never heard that it's very odd , and people in worcester area seem to be the ones that do it , and I'm like you know you're really not that far from Western Mass right , at least from this section of Western Mass , like the lower part of Western Mass , I know
everyone will call North Adams and up like the armpit of Massachusetts , which isn't lovely at all . I'm a dragon loving armpit .
I've always said about Massachusetts , it's got that little bump on the bottom part of the state above Connecticut .
Yeah , yeah , I actually have the tattoo , so it's got that little bump right there , spring-filly Salmonella dips , yeah , dips it , yeah yeah .
Hi there , Rob , here from the future editing this lovely podcast . I just wanted to come on here and give you a quick correction . That little part that dips down into Connecticut is actually Southwick Massachusetts , and in fact in the 1800s there was a war between Connecticut and Massachusetts for that parcel of land . And now back to the podcast .
That is the little tab that holds it from sliding into the ocean .
I mean , I do like to think we are the backbone .
Yeah , we are , hey , we're all started right .
Sure , that's right All right , so back to the killing Back to mid , the only context you can say that in appropriately .
That's it . So this time he gets Barbara Leach in September of 79 . So he's got a few months now . He only had a short walk home but she never made it . That one was tough for most people and it started to rile up the public again .
The public was trying everything they could do to protect the women and this is where it started to aggravate the women of England . They were told to go nowhere without a male companion .
I would drive you nuts .
And they're pissed off because that's who's doing . This is the men .
Right yeah .
You know there's a guy out there taking all this up yeah , out there taking all this up . All this time the police formed Project R , a massive PR campaign to get the public engaged with finding the Ripper .
They did massive advertising with the Ripper's handwriting for all of them to look at , and then they were continuously playing the tapes in different places for them to hear the voice . And one of the investigators was reading the letters and he actually made a connection with Jack the Ripper . Wait a minute , the way he was writing the letters .
It was almost like the Dear Boss letters were scripts for him to write his letter .
Okay .
The same way Jack the Ripper haunted the police Like a glorifying of Jack . This was when they figured out that it was a hoax . The letters , the tapes , it was all sent in by this crackpot that was looking to get publicity .
Oh my God . So it wasn't even the person who was doing it .
No , so the police were all going down one avenue and it wasn't even the right one .
And that's so sad too too , because there was probably so much money and manpower and all of those resources were dumped into this one .
Oh yeah , billions of dollars , oh god that's a lot , that's a that's a lot of space palm .
Moment yeah , thanks , asshole right , maybe he paid him 20 bucks to do it , yeah .
Yeah , he might have A five pound note .
Right , that's true . Yeah , england , he better bring the change , though , right .
That's right . So Maureen Leah was a lecturer at the University of Bedfordshire and she was appalled that she was thought of as a prostitute , because he ended up attacking her .
Well , I could see why she'd be pissed about that .
Yeah , I'd be more pissed that he attacked me , but yeah .
And she survived , and she just was beside herself that I'm a college professor working on things and you think I'm a prostitute , to kind of take me out .
Maybe she was a threat to something he was trying to do on the back end .
Yeah , very possible . Was there an a threat to something he was trying to do on the back end ? Yeah , very possible .
Was there an age range to these women at all ? I was just going to ask that .
In my notes I have all the ages down . The youngest one I think was 16 . Oh , wow , okay , was it 16 or 12 ?
Oh geez , that's pretty young Either way 16 .
The youngest one was 16 . I think the oldest one was 41 . Most of his attacks were just opportunity .
And this isn't grandma he's attacking either .
No , most likely he had his girlfriend that was cheating on him , which was young , and then his mother , who was older , was cheating on her father . So he looked like he was targeting women cheating on her father , you know .
So he was looked like he was targeting women in those age groups In November of 80 , so we just went over a year before he attacks again . He was attacked on a Monday night and the police found a bloody handbag on Monday , but nothing else . On Tuesday a passerby found her only 60 yards from the handbag .
Looked really , hard , I guess .
Yeah , and the public again was really pissed that the police just dropped the ball on that one , right ? So guess what the police do ? Uh-oh , they put a curfew on the women . So this man's killing these women and the women that are out there are being segregated .
Wouldn't that have made more sense to put a curfew on the men ? I ? Know , why are they penalizing us , the people who are killing at home or what ?
Now he knows they're all at home .
You can just break into any house and there's probably a woman there , jeezum .
They organized a march that night that they did that and all of them were all past the curfew Hell yeah , the women were pissed .
I'm pissed and it happened now , right . They didn't mention anything about burning bras , so Well , I guess that was a fight for a different time . It was a fight for a different time yeah . Free the nipple later .
They had to free themselves first yeah , we gotta make sure we can get out to free the nipple exactly exactly free the women . Then the nipple got it free the women , then free the girls a new t-shirt for cousin mark free , mark Free the world for you .
Free the girls I'm going to work on the Canva after this . Well now I know . I'm going to do it too , and I'm not going to send it before we're both ready .
Now we get interesting . In January of 81 , a police officer spots a man with a female in the car and he runs the plates and finds out that they don't match the car that they're on .
He did a switcheroo .
So , again , trying to be inconspicuous , you do one of the biggest things that just brings a red flag to you .
Right , you're better off just keeping the plates that were on the car on the car and not doing anything sketchy .
Right , because what was the other ? Case we did with you Cousin Mark , where he just didn't have a plate at all and he had the body in the trunk .
That was Joel Rifkin . Yeah , yeah .
Yeah .
He's like gee , let me take the plate off and the police won't notice me .
No , no , they'll notice you twice as much .
But that's the thing and that's how they caught Bundy . Bundy was driving erratically . The cop pulled him over for a DUI Right . It's not any smart police work , no , it's just being at the right place and getting the right person .
Luck of the draw and doing your job correctly .
That's it . Yeah , he's got them detained . So the guy that's there . He says I need to relieve myself . So the officer allows him to go off to the side of the road to relieve himself , which is where he threw the hammer and the screwdriver that was in his pockets . Oh my .
God , Do you know how many cops episodes I watch now they're like who are you going to pick ? We'll talk about that in a minute .
Like or a cigarette ? We oh , I want a pee , yeah , we'll talk about that in a minute . Or a cigarette ? We'll talk about that in a minute . Or at least just go stand nearby so if they drop something , you'll hear it . You don't have to watch , but you'll be able to hear .
Well , I understand if they're trying to give the man dignity on his own , but like yeah , but you're looking at him for something suspicious .
So I feel like he had him in front of you like this and you just pull it out of your jacket and toss it . It's like when you were kids .
How big was this man ? He's got tools in his pockets . He was just happy to see him . Right , exactly , there's Hannah's sticker . It'll be a hammer coming out of a pair of pants that says just happy to see you , it's like the flasher Hi .
So the officer arrests both of them for solicitation and everything like that . So he brings him in and he just so happens to look up at the artist sketch that was in the police precinct .
He goes wait a second , this guy looks exactly like that and you'd figure with everything that they got going on trying to find this guy , the officer would have been a little more diligent . Yeah , knowing that he looks like somebody , oh man , it makes no sense . You know , even back then it doesn't even look like people had common sense then either .
But the officer eventually realizes that while he's there , so they have him , he goes . Wait a second , I let that guy go relieve himself , I'm going back there to sweep the area . And that's when he ended up finding the hammer and the screwdriver and realized who he had .
He had Peter Williams Sutcliffe , 35 years old , and while he was in custody gave a detailed confession . Oh , just came right out and you guys are not going to believe this story , I have to tell you . And he just off , he goes .
Oh God , okay , I wasn't expecting that , yeah no , that took a very hard right there .
Oh , he did not give up any fight at all , just a big wuss .
Just a big wuss . Just a big wuss .
Yeah , folded like a change lounge .
The puns . The puns are great . Like I don't know what to say . I feel like that's like so , like you're like building and building , and then it's like then he gave up anti-climatic yeah yeah , listen , I don't tell the story .
This story's already been told .
I'm just you're just telling me when . Yeah that's it .
You're saying you have no control how the Yorkshire Ripper ended .
No man , but I do know he pled guilty to 13 counts of manslaughter by reason of insanity .
Ah , he was going for the insanity part .
He figured if he was insane he'd go to asylum and , you know , live out the rest of his life in comfort I mean honestly During that time . As you know , live out the rest of his life in comfort .
I mean honestly , during that time , Asylum's worse .
Yeah , I don't know that , an asylum versus prison , I would take asylum . I think I would have taken prison at that time .
He ended up taking the stand in his own defense , but it really didn't help him out that much .
Okay , what is with these guys defending themselves , taking the stand by themselves ?
That's the insane part for me . That's the insane part for me . That's where I'm like oh there's insanity right there .
Well , three psychologists came to the conclusion of he was a paranoid schizophrenic , but his wife had suffered from it , so he knew all the symptoms .
He knew how to show all the signs that that's what he was doing .
Well , that's an interesting point . Exactly , I don't have ADHD , but I know Rob has ADHD . I could manifest as having ADHD easily for a little while .
I mean , and ADHD is one of those things that looks different in men and women . But , like you're friends with me and you see how mine looks .
You could just copy what I do and be like .
OK , now I've got ADHD . Yeah , interesting .
So the jury had to decide if he was crazy or if he was faking it .
Oh man , that's got to be hard . Yeah , I don't even know .
They ended up figuring out that he was sane and he got a minimum of 30 years , which that drives me nuts . You know you killed all these people 30 years , ok yeah . And you get a minimum of 30 years and then you're up for parole .
Right , yeah , you shouldn't be getting parole , and then you're up for parole , right ?
Yeah , you shouldn't be a gang girl . Their laws over there just make no sense to me .
Yeah , then you're thinking like what never makes sense to me when there's , like , you see , there's 13 people that he pled guilty to . How many years per person's life are we talking ?
What's right ?
That's like how can you put a year ? It's like two years and a month for each person . And that's what somebody's life equates out to human life equates out to two years and a month of imprisonment .
Yeah , yeah , well , see , what I would do is I would take their age , okay , and then what would be their life expectancy ? Yeah , and how old do you think they could live to ? And then those are the years that you get for each person .
I think that makes sense . I actually would vote in favor of that .
You know , if you kill a 14 year old like Dharma , did you know that 14 year old could have lived till he was 70. ?
You took a lot of life from somebody , so someone should take a lot of life from you . Yeah .
Yeah , yeah , I don't think you should have free . You should have even even the thought that you could get out . Yeah , you shouldn't have yeah , that whole piece , I agree after he was found guilty and things were moving on , the police that were working on all this , all the head investigators and everything like that they all got demoted .
Oh shit , they were given lesser jobs because they clearly did not know what the hell they were doing in this investigation that kind of sucks .
But I mean oh well , yeah , more botched police work .
Yeah , my episode was all about it too , it's just yeah , it's not like being a weather person here in the united states , where you can get the weather wrong and you know , oh well we'll wake up tomorrow and see what it looks like . Right , she was found guilty in may of 81 . In march of 84 he was moved to an asylum .
Oh , because he basically just went nuts being in prison .
All the confinement .
Yeah . So they ended up moving on , or he was pretending again . Well , they obviously thought there was enough to move him . That's true . Then , in November of 92 , he confessed to two more attacks that the women survived , and they didn't even charge him .
But like . What was the point in that ?
Because he again again looking for attention . So I come out and I say I did this .
Now everybody's looking at me again right , yeah , and it was just as people are starting to forget about who he was and what he did .
Yeah and there was no sense in charge of him because he was already in prison .
So unfortunately that's a tough part that sucks because , especially for two women who survived it , yeah , there's no justice for those people . They didn't get their moment to confront that situation head-on and come to peace for themselves because the person who did it to them received justice but that happens all the time it does .
It just sucks maybe that's my inner woman just being like . I see how often that happens to women and they don't get that moment to confront their attacker if they choose to .
Yeah , yeah . And then in 94 , he confessed to killing Marguerite Walls , which brought his total to 13 . And they didn't even know that he had killed her either .
Did he have to go back to trial for that one , or did they just shrug no , I don't think no , they didn't do anything . Oh , that poor family .
But it does have a happy ending , though . For who ? Because he did die . He did die in November of 2020 due to COVID complications .
Well , bye for now . Yeah , and I don't love the idea of anybody dying , but but he only served 13 years before he died . So that's really not that long .
No , it's not .
And he only served a few years before he was sent to the asylum .
so yes , yep , but that was William Sutcliffe .
Jeez , I guess my final reflection is that I can't end the episode with the same way you started the last one . I guess my final reflection is that I can't end the episode with the same way you started the last one . I don't think he's a fine gentleman , no .
No .
Coward , maybe Douche canoes for certain .
Yes , big douche canoe Definitely a douche canoe .
Huge douche , canoe , both paddles .
But that you know , like I said in the beginning of this show , that's what people look like . You don't expect them to look like a pleasant person . You know when they're doing monstrous things . You expect them to look like a monster .
Yeah , A very wise woman told me when I was maybe 18 years old the people who look the most put together are the most fucked up and you should be cautious of them . Oh yeah , and that has lived true in my head ever since it was said to me .
Most of the nicest people are covered in tattoos .
Yeah .
And the most judgmental and the most judgmental people go to church every day .
A hundred percent agree with you on that , cousin .
The context that I was having with this person was more about the families that judge and they throw stones from a glass house where they're like look at my perfect family with the white picket fence . She's like when you're looking at those people in their perfect house with their perfect life . There's a mountain of crap underneath all of that .
Like my mother says , you never know what happens behind closed doors 100% you go , Auntie Bernie .
Now we have to have that . Auntie Bernie has to come now .
I love Auntie Bernie . She cracks me up . Yeah , she's a good egg . Are we ready for a card ? We have to do pick a card , any card . I already picked one . Are we good ?
All right , are you going to send it to Cousin Mark ?
so he can read it . No , she can read it .
Go ahead oh good , because she's doing gasp face .
Okay , all right , I'm weird , I understand . I'm weird Like I have this podcast . I'm weird , we're all weird . We're very weird , I'm shuffling through this deck and I'm like I have like this feeling I I just keep going , I keep going , I keep going , I keep going and I just pick one Holly .
Is this your next door neighbor ?
No no God , oh my God , that's who I was thinking about doing an episode on Two of Hearts .
Holly Piernan . Do you know about Holly Piernan ?
No .
Okay , so it wasn't like an out west here case . It's actually one of the reasons why my mom like freaked out when we would play outside is because of holly piernan . All right , so two of hearts , holly piernan . On august 5th 1993 , 10 year old holly piernan was reported missing from surbridge on october 23rd 1993 .
Her remains were found in a wooded area in brimfield . If you have any info about this case , please call 1-855-MA-Solve .
I just listened to a podcast about her this week because I was thinking about making an episode , because her name will come up a lot when you're talking about Lewis Lent Her name will come up . When you're talking about the disappearance of Molly Bish , her name will come up .
So there's a lot of people that they've suspected are connected with Holly , but there's never really anything beyond that . So that's one of the ones that they've suspected are connected with , yeah , holly , but there's never really any thing beyond that . So that's one of the ones that I've been diving down that rabbit hole .
So that's super weird that that's the card that you pulled . It's almost like the time we pulled lynn , I know what I was talking about .
Lynn , did you just have like a feeling in the deck ? I had a feeling in the deck weird .
I wish there wasn't a deck of missing people from massachusetts , I know I two .
I know there's another volume they're coming out with .
But I I really just love the idea that they did the playing cards to put them into the jails to see if people would talk about the cases . I mean , it's a if you wanders haven't seen .
I mean , obviously we pull a card every time , but if you missed the part where we talked about it a way to hopefully get prisoners in jails to talk about anything they might know for leads in the cases I believe you can get them if you just go on Google .
You can usually type in . Oh yeah , but these are from 2021 .
Yeah , there's a new volume . There's a new volume , I was looking at yeah , they're from .
oh , they do get them mail at Framingham .
Plus Ashley Flowers does the deck . She does episodes on all the cards that she has .
We were looking at getting in the Connecticut deck next , I think , spreading the wealth around to some other places too , especially New England I feel like that's .
The other show that I had listened to before was Dark Down East , and she's based out of Maine and does all of New England .
I've listened to a few different podcasts . It's funny because when you're looking up like particular subjects , I find like when you're looking at like when I was looking at the babysitter , I was getting all one area , and then , like when I was looking at the one on Cape Cod , I kept getting all one area .
So it's kind of funny how we all kind of gravitate to like doing the most about what's near to us .
yeah , yeah proximity based , all right . Well , if we can get some of the listeners to throw out a suggestion to me about my next episode , maybe they can do that .
We'll see what happens you have ideas for what you want , or do you want just a totally random write-in ?
no , probably someone serial killerish well , why don't ?
okay , let's do it this way you come up with three names that you were thinking you might want to do , and I'll put a poll up on Instagram and we'll get them to vote on what one you do next .
Okay , that sounds pretty good .
Is something on fire . I'm sorry , cousin Mark . No , no , I can smell something burning Burning , yes , I smell a burning smell burning smell . Well , there's candles on . It's like when you leave the iron on . It's like when you leave the iron on something too long . Yes , oh my God , is there a fire ? Hey , hang on , there's a fire .
Oh boy , don't burn the house down .
I'm getting water , I'm getting water .
Holy shit people . They're talking about getting water and throwing water on . Hopefully , everything's okay . I don't know if I should put it on the top or . Oh God , okay , that was just a big flash .
Pull me out and I'm just going to splash water in that direction . I'm so sorry . Okay , hold on . Okay , back up . Okay , ready ? Are you ready ? I think so . Oh my God . Okay , we Are you ready ? I think so ? Oh my god . Okay , we can't do that again . How are we gonna put that out ? Cover it Back up , back up .
Uncle Mark is yelling . We're good , cousin Mark , we're good , oh my god , holy shit , we're good .
Holy shit , is it good ? Someone almost burned down the Wicked Wandering studio .
I hear something is burning .
Okay , okay , okay .
The best . Okay , okay , the best part is that was all recording .
Oh my God , we're good . Okay , oh boy , we do have to go clean up a mess though .
That's okay . I've been sitting here doing a play by play . Next time there's a kitchen fire , cover it with something .
Yeah , we were trying to do that , but it was really hot and it was in the bedroom . It was a candle .
Oh , my God .
Well , we figured it out , Okay . Well , we love you , bye .
What was in it that was making it do that ? I don't know , Because normally when you toss water on a candle it goes out . I'm glad you stopped it .
Why , if I stopped it , I feel awful . I just threw water at her . No , no , it's fine , I'd rather keep my house . You want more towels , maybe a towel wipe you can put on . Hold on , let me get that out of here and use it in the sink .
Yeah , because there's got to be something in that candle that when you put water on it Because I had a candle , do that to me on the stove once and I did the same thing .
I did it and it went one little burst and then it went out , so I didn't want you to get close to the end of it , dear God . Okay , I was like no , no , no , no , we're still recording . Oh , thanks for listening today .
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