¶ The Bell Witch Podcast Confusion
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Remember , don't spur it out the answer . Just say I got it Okay . There's 30 cows in a field and 28 chickens . How many didn't ?
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There's 30 cows in a field and 28 chickens . How many didn't ?
Okay .
All right , you got an answer . Yeah , what's the answer ?
Two Twelve .
You're both wrong Really 40 minus , oh , no 20 . So 10 . No 20 . I was thinking 40 minus 28 . So 40 cows and 20 of those cows ate chickens . So there's 20 cows that didn't eat chickens .
Hannah , so there's 30 cows .
Oh , 30 cows , I thought you said 40 .
There's 30 cows . Well , I guess we can go back and listen again , but there's 30 cows in a field and 28 chickens . How many didn't ?
How many ?
didn't fucking . What Eat chickens ?
28 chickens 20 of the cows ate chickens .
I did see this on Tik Tok , though I don't like this . You don't like this , no .
Well , how about we get to the shit show ?
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Hello Wanderers . I'm Hannah and I'm Jess , and this is Wicked Wanderings . Hello Jessica .
Hello Hannah , how are you ? I'm great , oh good , I'm so glad , hi , rob .
Oh , you're going to include me in this episode . No , not by .
All right , we're in Trian Georgia . This is where our story starts .
I thought we were in Chautuga .
It's part of Chautuga County , oh . It's called Trian Georgia . It is a town that has been untouched by time . Oh , sounds delightful it is one of those southern towns that will take you back in history , and not necessarily the good parts .
¶ The Corpsewood Manor Murders
Oh yes , the first victim I'm going to talk about is Dr Charles Scutter . Charles was a cultured , brilliant , soft-spoken and polished young man . He was blonde , good looking and looked much younger than his 56 years . He was born in Wisconsin to a mother and father who both went to college , which was unheard of for the time . Did he like cheese ?
He liked to throw a good party , so usually cheese is part of a party .
Probably so , if there's wine ?
Yeah , exactly , Charles married his first wife , which ended in divorce with no children , and then married his second wife , who he did end up having children with , but that also led to divorce . He did receive a PhD in pharmacology and he did government-funded experiments with psychoactive drugs .
Sounds like a good time to me , yeah , send me up After moving to Chicago .
that's where he met Joey Odom . Joey Odom is our second victim who grew up completely opposite of Charles . Joey grew up poor , with barely an elementary education . He had become incarcerated and that is where he learned to cook .
Joey moved in with Charlie into his mansion in West Side Chicago and he became housekeeper , cook , errand boy and companion and a lover Pretty much . At one point it was said that Charles and Joey helped raise some of Charles's children , but that was disputed and Charles would later attempt to disinherit his children completely and his will in favor of Joey .
Why I ?
don't know .
Joey had it going on Apparently .
Charles was not a typical professor . He would dye his hair crazy colors , he kept a pet monkey and he had a pink gargoyle fountain that squirted water from its mouth at his Chicago mansion that he ended up bringing to Corpsewood Manor .
I mean , who wouldn't want a pink gargoyle ?
fountain Right , if you could , why not ?
Yeah , fuck you .
After the death of both of his parents , they decided they wanted to go somewhere more remote where they could be themselves and find a piece of land that wasn't too expensive . But in the LGBTQ plus community it wasn't always great to be so far away into the woods where there was an in Georgia , yeah . Less community . Less acceptance .
Yeah , a small town can be worse . So after Charles resigned he took vials of government grade LSD , nice and two human skulls from the university , because why not ?
I see you doing that .
I don't know what's LSD , but definitely the skulls .
Don't you see all the skulls up on top of her bookcase ?
right now . That's what I'm saying .
They're fake skulls .
Fake news .
I'm sure , if actually there's three up there , because one of them is holding matches . But anyways , if Hannah could get her hands on a real one , I guarantee you there'd be a real one .
Oh yeah , if I went through the proper channels proper channels .
everybody wonders if you don't hear from me in the next episode and Hannah has a new skull on her bookcase . Please call the police . She killed me , yeah .
It's got dark real fast . Yep . They left a real blizzard to go find their new home in Georgia and when they arrived they were greeted by a rotting carcass of a diseased horse gross and a graveyard of denuded trees . I liked that word , I kept it denuded Interesting . Yeah , so they called the road dead horse road .
How original and their future home corpse would matter . I feel like these are already like bad omens , so maybe you should just go back and turn around and go when you came from .
Why would we do that ?
Besides the house that was built by hand , they also made a chicken house , which , on the first floor , contained the actual chickens , the second floor was canned goods and a pornographic library , and the third floor was referred to as the pink room or as the rest of the row , and know it as the pleasure chamber .
Oh pleasure .
So , here , you would find mattresses , sex toys , as well as books , like a guest log that people put their names , addresses and their preferences .
I know I have two questions . Well , I guess the first one's a statement Like I guess the cows didn't eat the chickens , and two did they have a lot of upside down pineapples .
If you know , you know If you know , you know Do you know , yes , I know .
I don't know . You know what I am , just my little Mormon and naïveness is coming out like I wouldn't want everybody to know my preferences , but I guess it sounds like a free for all there .
So live it up . I'll say something about this . So I watched a documentary on it first , and the book is different , like the facts aren't always lining up .
Oh , so there's a difference between the book and the documentary .
OK so I don't know necessarily like people were putting , like their preferences and their addresses like that . Oh , no sense .
Well , if you follow Hannah on Instagram , on her book Stagram , she gave this book three stars , right Two , oh yeah it wasn't that great it wasn't that great , but it was good for story . Ok yeah .
Link to that Instagram is in the show notes right below .
I also have a book Stagram . No one cares .
Stop .
You're such a jerk to me , rob Book gooney .
Link to that Instagram is down in the show notes .
Thank , you Hannah's feisty today for all our book lovers except , don't read this book apparently .
Yeah , don't read this one . Some said that Charles and Joey were not partners , but lovers . Once in a while I knew it , and Charles tended to have many partners throughout his life , even had pen pals that were in prison .
Oh , were they serial killers ? Oh , that'd be interesting Right .
They were welcoming to strangers , which was always a curious thing to people , knowing that these two men came from the north , to the deep south and to a very secluded place to live . So why were they so kind and welcoming to strangers ? Was it that they inherited the Southern hospitality ?
Or was it because Charles made homemade wine and it was a business he was trying to promote ? Or was it because he was curious and fascinated with human behavior and he was studying them without them knowing it ?
D all of the above , it is said that Charles was part of the Church of Satan , and this was supported due to items and pieces of art found around his house , downward facing pentacles , a stained glass medusa skull and even a Satan Bible .
I mean , was this in the 80s ? Yes , okay , satanic panic .
Yes . The author of the book the Corpsewood Manor Murders in North Georgia talked about how the 80s were a time for satanic panic . The song thriller by Michael Jackson came out . Movies like Halloween with Jamie Lee Curtis , amitville and Poltergeist were being seen by youth everywhere .
This was causing fundamentalist Christians to see signs of the devil everywhere , including energy drinks and coffee companies . You know what .
The problem with this isn't Satan , it's the religions .
Seriously , Now I understand that I did not know these men personally , but even as I'm reading this book by Amy Patula , I'm wondering if that these men just had different tastes for the macabre and weird .
I also watched an episode on the show called Dead Silent about this case , and the episode was called Welcome to the Devil House and that painted a different picture of these men , which I thought was really interesting . I really enjoyed it . I thought it was pretty good . There were people that had amazing memories of this place .
There was a woman with children that befriended the couple and they would go over and spend time outside and the children remember it being a magical place where Charles played his harp and Joey would bake them exquisite desserts . It sounded to me like these men were complicated and would not be easily understood .
Like wouldn't it be fun to go there , all this land , and see the pink gargoyle like come on yeah .
Swimming in the fountain playing the harp . Take some LSD yeah .
¶ Murderous Duo and Their Victims
The killers knew who these men were . The first killer we will talk about is Kenneth Avery Brock , who was 17 in 1982 . He met these men while hunting deer on their property in the fall of that year . Unfortunately , brock was a victim of abuse and he was kicked out by his father and began to steal in order to eat at night .
Kenneth is quoted to say never been to a professional sporting event nor a live concert , never eaten in a restaurant , never had a job where I drew a paycheck , where they took out taxes , never filed for my taxes , never had a driver's license , never been married , never had kids , never been to prom , never had a life , never had a chance to learn how to live
life . Don't know what it's like to be loved by a woman . Ok , negative Nancy . Kenneth was brought up to the chicken coop and to the pink room where Charlie did perform oral sex on him .
So we are all going oh my gosh , this guy is underage , right , but the laws back then in Georgia were different and that the illegal part was not the age , because the age of consent was 14 . But it was illegal because they were not married to each other and oral sex , even within marriage , violated the law .
OK , but is that one of those laws that's still on the books , that people forgot to take off the books ? I feel like why wasn't it even on the books ? Because somebody did something somewhere sometime .
Yeah , that makes absolutely no sense why that was ever on the books whatsoever .
You know what ? It was probably a woman that made that law , so she wouldn't have to suck any dick . Ha , ha , ha ha .
That's what .
I'm going for .
Baby . No , but didn't all the men make all the laws back in the day ? Women didn't even have the right to vote until what ? 1920 . I was going to say 1950s up there , but it was 1920? .
It took 80 years to get that .
I mean , this was 40 years ago . Things have changed , I'm sure , but it just was an interesting thing that I thought the author put in there .
This is the second time today where I've heard of 1982 being over 40 years ago .
Oh my god .
That's really creepy and that's when I was born . She makes me feel really fucking good .
Oh , wow , wow , woo . The second killer is Samuel Tony West . This gentleman's record was far from spotless . He had shot and killed his two-year-old nephew when he was around 13 years old , on purpose or accident . He claimed it was an accident and he was just trying to show the toddler there was nothing to fear .
It is said he was sent to a mental asylum , but his criminal career did not stop there . Obviously , with Tony West in and out of prison and with his criminal past , he was not going to stop . He needed a roommate and that is how Kenneth Brock came into the picture .
Kenneth told Tony about the gay men in the woods , how they had alcohol and drugs and Tony was in . Though , with Tony's past , he was not going to stop there . He talked about how these men were in the middle of the woods where no one would be able to hear anything , and they lived in a castle , which to them meant money .
The day of the robbery the two went over to West's sister's house where his nephew was . The nephew was going to be having a date with a girl named Teresa . There is some speculation if they were invited by the two criminals , if the nephew knew about the plan , or the nephew and his date asked to come along to this grand party .
It is noted , however , that they ended up getting there that Teresa knew nothing about it On the way to Corpsewood . That's when they filled Teresa in on how they were going to see the devil worshipers . On the way there , they were huffing a combination of paint , thinner glue and alcohol .
Because I mean that's cool .
Once they got to the house , charles greeted them and took them up to the pink room where they brought the huffing mixture and had drinks . Brock went to the car and retrieved the rifle and when Charles saw , he tried to make jokes and perhaps tried to diffuse the situation .
Charles was not new to diffusing situations and dealing with people that may not agree with his way of life or his sexuality . So Brock put the gun down and left . Charles went to get up and Brock grabbed him by the hair and pulled his head back and put a knife to his throat .
Charles tried to make light of it , thinking he was playing some kind of game , but he was pushed onto the mattress and had his arms tied behind his back . Brock demanded to know where his money was , but Charles said he didn't have any because of course it was in the bank .
Duh Teresa was in tears because the poor thing had no idea this was going to be happening and Charles asked , before he was gagged , if she was all right which I thought was really sweet . Teresa and the nephew decided they did not want any part of this and bolted down the ladder but unfortunately were caught and brought back up .
Brock and Wes decided that they might have better luck with Charles' partner Joey . So Brock took the gun and told Joey to get his dogs and come outside . Everyone in the chicken house heard gunshots and Brock came back and said he killed Charles' partner and the two dogs .
That asshole . They held the dogs right , Right . I hope they're reincarnated .
I . They then brought Charles to see his loved ones in the house . His partner had four bullet holes in his head and one in his arm . The dogs were found curled around the stove like they were enjoying the warm heat , and Wes decided to shoot them again , even though they were down .
Charles , there was a special
¶ Burglary, Murder, and Justice
place in hell .
Yes , charles was heartbroken to see the love of his life dead on the floor , but they dragged him to the library demanding money and a soldering iron , which I thought that was weird .
He told them he had neither , and he tried to get back to be next to his partner aside , one of the men warned him , telling him to sit back down or they'll shoot him , and Charles responded . I asked for this . He kept going , and so they shot him right in the face , which should not kill him , and so they shot him three more times .
The killers were excited for what they were gonna find the house , but they were disappointed because the couple had things that were valuable , like big pieces of furniture , but not a lot of things that were easily carried away didn't think that one through assholes not a .
Gurgling sound came from Charles , and so they fired a fifth shot into the center of his forehead . A Gurgling sound was made from Charles's partner , joey , and they found that the man had dragged himself to another point in the house , so they shot him again . I know right , this is awful assholes .
Another creepy thing is that Charles had a self portrait of himself in the home . That's actually like it's a picture of in the book where . He is depicted as gagged with bullet holes in his forehead , and Charles has said to a friend that's how I'm going to die . What the fuck yeah no way , yeah , that's crazy .
I'm gonna show you real quick .
I want to see they actually had a picture of Charles's toe . I was all like this . Oh yeah .
I was like all out , oh , why would they have that picture in there ? Anyways , here's it's gross . That's crazy . Oh , so they were by each other , that crazy Mm-hmm .
Wow , hopefully we can find this and post it on Instagram , unless you want to take a picture .
I'm sure it's on the line . On the line on the line . It's on the line . You know the interwebs , the Googles , the worldwide wave . Www my mom always says call up the YouTube's and see if you can find a video . My mom's adorable Anyway .
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The killers started to head west , but the nephew and his date were left with Wells's mother . Well , his mother noticed something was wrong with the poor girl , so she told the story , but she did not help her , instead kept her with no phone access for four days . What the hell ? The killers are on a road trip and decided that they need another car .
So they find a man with a car who happens to be a police officer , and he told them they can have anything they want , just don't kill him . So they handcuff him , take him into the woods and when they try handcuffing him to a tree , the police officer it gets one hand free and punches one of them in the face and they shoot him dead .
Teresa , on December 16th , finally managed to call her family and they told her to go to the police . She called and the police department got word to the sheriff . Teresa got to her parents home where she was interviewed . Her and Joey were then taken to the police department where they talked to them for several more hours .
Warrants were issued for Weston Brock and they went to Brock's mom's trailer where they found the gun . When this is happening , weston Brock are in Texas fighting over everything . In every decision Brock ended up hitching back to Georgia . He calls his mother and says it was all West and asked her to come back to get him .
The police were most likely watching the house , so they got the mom to spill all the beans to tell her that that her son had called her . Brock , though , ended up confessing to the owners of the gas station he was at and he was arrested .
Somehow , the guilt was just too much West , right West , headed to Oklahoma instead of Mexico and then ended up going to Chattanooga . So he's going back to Right near the Georgia line . He runs out of gas , decides to walk in the pouring rain to this club lounge and sees a police officer .
He is exhausted so he says arrest me , like he's like just on the guide You're looking for . They go back and forth a bit and the officer finds no arrest warrant but offers him a lift . He brings him to the station in Roseville , georgia . They called Chattanooga County and they assured them there is a arrest warrant , but it doesn't stop there .
The officers were afraid that it will be a legal problem that the officer from Tennessee drove the suspect across state lines , so they had him drive back to Tennessee with Georgia cops following so they got to the state line , had West walk across the state line so that he could be arrested by the Interesting , but I mean , I guess you don't want him to get off
on a technicality . I guess not . But like , can you imagine ? Like , oh my god , just like , put yourself in . And they're like oh well , we have to do this . That's other way . Brock was offered life instead of death with a guilty plea .
Tony West went to trial and he was sentenced to electric chair , though that's not stick due to issues with the jury and the judge doing dirty . The judge was really dirty . West was retried with a new judge and was given life sentences . After the murders , corpse was ransacked .
People took plants or even a piece of brick , but so much got returned because they believed the items had bad luck . So , they hoped by returning whatever they took . It would be an apology . There were a couple fires that burned down structures and the land has now become overgrown with plants and graffiti .
Hmm , there are strange tales of Joey being buried on the property or people seeing two men one day a year talking to trespassers and never seen again . Hmm , whatever may be happening on that property , paranormal or otherwise , two men lost their lives due to a burglary gone wrong .
That's so sad yeah like something that didn't even need to happen . Yeah , that kind of reminds me in a way of like in cold blood . Have you ever read that book ? No , you need to . It was the book that got me into true crime .
Oh really , yeah , and these two Like felons went and robbed a family , thinking they heard from someone that they were in jail with , that they had all this money , and they ended up killing the family and got like very little money .
I just feel really bad for this . I just sounded like they were just like macabre things and strange things that people just back then looked at as evil , and they just just yeah , just so sad . It is sad . Rip , rip . Thanks for sharing that story .
I think I have seen that Dead Silent episode . I remember seeing a documentary or something .
Yeah , it was good . It was just an you know episode the whole season . But the book was I don't know . I read it but it was like I skim read it . I was like this has nothing to do with what I want to talk about .
Yeah , you also have a shitty track record of picking books for cases .
I do , don't I ? I really I'm hoping , my true crime addict . Oh , that was really bad .
And then the other one about the episode that we did not do .
The episode we did not do .
Yeah , reach out to the family .
Oh yeah , no , we don't talk about that . I thought the New Orleans Vampire one was okay . I really enjoyed the one for Danny Croto that was really well done . Yeah , but I do have a shitty record . I'm just teasing .
There's always Wikipedia , that's true , and what's the one that you use ?
Reddit yeah that's for like personal stories related to what I'm talking about .
Yeah , I love it .
It would be cool if , someday , when we hit the big time we are in the big time . I mean Wanderers . If you have any cool stories , we could totally do an episode about Wanderers .
I would love to . I think that'd be so awesome . I want to hear from our Wanderers .
Yes , Come on , guys talk to us A little on the down low , but we might be having a fan coming in .
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That's Hannah's life motto , rob's like anyways .
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