¶ Meeting and Work in Wicked Wanderings
See , it happens to that . See , I'm glad . I'm not the only one . You barely made it 10 seconds .
Is that always the case , Hannah ?
And Ha ha , ha , ha Put it up .
Shhh , hello Wanderers . I'm Hannah and I'm Jess , and this is Wicked Wanderings .
Hello Hannah , hello Rob , hello Jess , Hello Rob and hello Wanderers . My name is Rob . I'm the producer of Wicked Wanderings . Today we have a special show for you . I'll be asking Hannah and Jess questions so you , our fantastic listeners , can get to know them a little bit better . Shall we start ? Ha ha ha . Fucking course we should . Ha ha ha .
So I came up with a couple questions , as well as the ladies . Here we go . You ready ? Don't call me ladies .
Sorry , let's do this , ha ha ha , all right .
Question number one how did you two meet Well ?
well , I'm going to tell my version first , all right , and then you can add in if you want . Hannah and I worked together .
She was my supervisor doing ABA work at a local agency , obviously , and this was my first time doing ABA , and Hannah and I would talk here and there through our sessions when she would join and I realized that ABA was not my thing because it made me feel like I was the bad guy .
And so when I told Hannah I was quitting , I told her Mike , hey , I have some good news and I have some bad news . Which one do you want first ? And I think you chose the bad news . I always choose bad news first . So I said , well , I just put in my two weeks . And she's like , ok , well , what's the good news ?
I'm like the good news is we can be friends now . Ha ha ha .
And so yeah , here , we are no more friends . So it was basically what Jess said . But when I was told by our supervisor , so my nana , her , is that , oh , you're going to have this new girl , jess , and so we had to meet to go over the case and whatnot , and I meet with her and I'm like all right , she's really sweet .
But I don't know , because the first thing she says to me is like I have to move closer to you so we can get to know each other , and I was like OK , sure I'd say that , yeah , something like I can't , like you couldn't hear me , but like you wanted to like move closer somehow .
And then our legs touched .
The thing is I'm a New Englander . Like , personal affection is not something we do . I don't know if it's a Utahian , utahian , utah .
Utah , utah thing . Maybe it's just a crazy thing .
But anyways , we got in the case and we slowly started understanding each other and we had the same sense of humor and we liked the same things . So it was one of bittersweet things , yeah , ever . So I was really , I was really glad . But homegirl over here gave her my number .
I didn't hear from her for like two months and I thought she forgot all about me . And then , out of the blue , she had lost my number and that's why , yeah , I thought she was just like hey , let's be friends and she's like totally mean girl status like that .
I totally didn't ghost you . Keep in mind it was the holidays and there was a lot , no , no .
So there's no excuse . So did you lose her ?
number . I misplaced it and then I found it .
You did find it , I think it was in a bag and then you didn't use that bag for a while .
It was like in some notebook out of the 50 notebooks I used at a time , in some bag out of my 50 bags that I have , and I hunted it down and then it's true love after that , basically .
Basically All right . So since we're talking about work , what do you guys do for work ? You go first .
I want first place .
I am a BCBA , which is a board certified behavior analyst , which means that I shape behavior and it is part of the bigger field of applied behavior analysis , so I am considered a scientist . But the thing that I'm liking really now about my field is there is a lot of trauma assumed things coming to light in the field , which I'm really appreciating .
Yes , because if you look up anywhere about ABA , you will find people that absolutely hate it . They think it hurts people more than anything . If you look at the history of ABA where we started , it was horrific , horrific things that were happening to people that we were doing in the name of science .
What I'm really liking about the field , it's developing this care and trust and bonding with clients and students rather than just treating them like a test animal . So I'm really proud of the field in that respect . So I work at a school right now and I'm a district BCBA and I'm loving it .
That's awesome . I'm glad you like it . I do have a follow-up question on that , though . Ooh , ok , do you attempt any of your behavior modification with Rob ? I plead the fifth .
All the time .
I will say that in grad school there was a lot of things that we had to do for homework and I was like , yeah , choose your partner or your best friend . And Rob had to succumb to a lot of homework with me and he always did an amazing job and it was really hard for him to be a kid Like , ok , I need you to engage in some problem behavior .
He's like what , like , what do you want me to do ?
I don't know , Like whatever you want to do and he's like whee Like whining .
He's like all right , that works . I usually had to bribe him with candy . I remember one time I actually had to give you candy at the end .
I mean that in and of itself is positive reinforcement , isn't it so ? Technically you did it without even realizing it .
I am just so proud of where the field is going with this , the trauma assumed because we have a lot of kiddos that especially with COVID there is a lot that we just don't know and to impact and treat them more like humans and build a bonding experience where they trust us and they know that we're safe people . So I'm really proud of the field for that .
You know , and I think that's why I had a problem with it , and a lot of behaviorists get kind of cocky oh yeah , like I had a professor who was like I can train journey behavior but they don't take into consideration the cognitive and the trauma . And people are complex , kids are complex and you can't tell me that their trauma doesn't affect that behavior .
Oh , absolutely . You need to take in everything into consideration Absolutely .
In my mind there's a lot of good research coming out with with Greg Hanley Dr Greg Hanley , who's a huge guy in our field , like I said , with the trauma and assumed and what is at the core of these problem behaviors .
You know we want these kids happy , relaxed and engaged , but if they're in the middle of a problem behavior we're just ignoring it , like that's not helping the problem .
Yeah , so I'll get off my soapbox here .
I could talk about this forever , but same .
How about you , Jess ? I am currently getting my master's degree in mental health counseling and I have done five years of in-home therapy , which was awesome and horrible at the same time . Not horrible , but I was so involved in people's lives and in their problems and I got burnout really easy . Yeah , and crisis situations , and I think I got a lot of .
I don't know if this is a Massachusetts thing or this field , I mean because I have two bachelors . I have a bachelor's in criminal justice and a bachelor's in psychology . I don't think I knew that .
I didn't know that either , oh yeah , smarty pants . But , um . And the military background .
Yeah , After the military I was finishing my criminal justice degree . I was burnout from the military and I was a year away from graduating in criminal justice and then I was like I don't want to do this anymore . So I declared a second major and just continued and got my second in psychology . So I graduated at the same time for both .
But a lot of the attitude towards me in the agency I worked at was like oh well , you just got a bachelor's degree . You don't know what you're talking about . And that pissed me off because I have a lot of life experience with trauma with you know my sister's autistic and my family's crazy .
So I'm just kidding and they listen to this , but they know Just kidding . It pissed me off that I couldn't do anything further because I didn't have that piece of paper . So I decided to go back for my master's and I graduate in May .
Woo hoo , or we can have a party , fuck yeah . But I got what you were saying whether you couldn't go any further in your field unless you got another degree , which is kind of where I was at , yeah .
All right , so what inspired you to pursue your current career , jess ?
I was actually just talking to my therapist about that today randomly , and I think I've always had it in me to help others . That's how I was raised . You know my dad was a good example of helping like the less fortunate . We always had random people who didn't have anywhere to go over for Christmas .
Aw yeah .
But also in the military . I don't know if I had a lot of close friends , obviously , because you don't go through stuff without trauma bonding . I guess .
Yeah absolutely .
And I would be the person that people would come to when they're having a hard time .
That must have been heavy , though .
Yeah , but it wasn't overwhelming yet , or to the point Like it was most of the time , when people's spouses they found out their spouses were cheating on them and they were kind of breaking down , like when I was in Iraq . One guy was like go get home , freeze , I need someone to talk to , aw , and so that felt kind of good .
And then the military has like a first sergeant , and they call him the first shirt . They are the people that go and take care of everybody else . You know , they're meant to help .
If one of the airmen or whatever is struggling like at home and deployed , they kind of step in , and when we were deployed , I would always check in on the first sergeant , like hey , you're dealing with all the other shit . How are you doing , though ?
And so I think that kind of it's important to me to feel like I'm making a difference , and if I change the life of one person , then I feel like I've been successful . So you're tender isn't it that ? was beautiful .
Geez , I can't top that . Sure you can , okay . Well , it all kind of started in undergrad . I was originally a double major in elementary education and psychology and honestly , I wasn't going to do it . On my M tells , which is the Massachusetts licensing tests , which were excruciatingly painful , I think I had to pass five . I only had passed two at that point .
So I was like , all right , well , I can't go on to student teaching unless I pass these . So I ended up talking to my advisor at the time and I ended up doing my psych major and then a minor in elementary education . But this was actually a good thing because it actually helped me be able to go study abroad .
So I was able to go to Scotland for a semester Super jealous , oh , scotland , I've been there several times . It's a beautiful country . So because of that I got to have more freedom and what I chose for electives and everything . So in the psychology apartment they had like ABA 101 talking about problem behavior and different ways to shape behavior .
So I was like , oh , why not ? And that's actually how I got into it . I ended up being part of a research I was able to help with this gentleman that , corey gosh I can't remember his last name . Anyways , he was a doctoral student . I got to help him with his research , so be like a research assistant .
We got to have like poster sessions at my college so that was amazing . So I ended up falling really in love with the field and ta-da .
And here you are and here I am . I have a side story . Okay , I have a big ABA , also an undergrad , and the professor was Brazilian and I've never heard ABA stuff sound so sexy than when he taught the class , because he had that accent . He's you take the coin and put it in the candy machine . It was yeah , anyway , that's all I love it .
I didn't think it could be sexy , but it was .
That's great , all right . What are your passions and hobbies outside of work ? Oh , where do I start ?
Okay , well , I'll say one of my biggest ones is reading . Yes , and Jess , I know you can test this , this is something we really bonded over was reading . We are reading obsessed . We have to go to Barnes Noble , like , we try like once a month and we always try to . You know the 50% off . Yeah , the buy one get 150%
¶ Hobbies, Horror Books, and Impactful Reads
off . But besides reading , I love hockey . We have a a gel team here where we live . Some of my husband do season tickets .
It's called the Springfield Thunderbirds and they are the affiliation of the St Louis Blues .
Thank you , honey . Are they sponsored or re-sponsored by them ? Are you going to work on that , Rob ?
I can . Yeah , we talked to my rep , awesome .
See if we can get something going .
There is a podcast that I started listening to , and White Lion , who we both work for , sponsored the podcast .
What Okay ?
I'm not too . Yeah , I would say I would say , hockey reading , I mean this , this definitely is a hobby . I mean I , I enjoy doing this every week with you . It's so much fun and just researching topics and stuff .
Yeah .
Because , well , we'll probably get into it a further question , so I won't answer it right now .
So hobbies , reading . Obviously I am a shopaholic and I have . I probably qualify as a library , which I don't know if you know this , but a thousand books will qualify you .
Yes .
I'm probably , and I'm probably close if not there already .
I know I'm not there yet , but uh , yeah , it's crawling there .
Yeah , hannah introduced me to the horror genre Boop boop and our first book that we read together was amazing . I still think about that book Me too . It will never leave my mind . It's Mary by Nat Cassidy . It's crazy because I , when we started to read it , I came to Hannah and I'm like I have two theories and you're probably going to think they're crazy .
And so I told her these theories and I'm not going to say cause it will spoil alert and the first theory was so completely outlandish and she's like , yeah , I'll go with the second one , but both of them happened to be true . Yeah , I was on it like she was really good .
So actually I think theme music was our first . Was it Now that I'm looking at my book case right now ?
but anyways it was .
Mary by .
Nat .
Cassidy .
Yeah , fabulous story . He actually just came out with another book on October 31st nestlings that we're going to be reading . And what I also like about Nat Cassidy is he responds yes , that's what I love about him . Like I did a tick talk and had like 2100 views and he still responded to it .
I just I don't know , it doesn't need a million views , he just will respond . Which ?
I just love .
He's awesome , but also theme music .
Yes .
T Marie Vandellie right . Yes , that was the first one . Oh , that was a good one .
That was , yeah , that was a really good one . I like trying to guess what's going on . I know that was very funny . That was awesome .
What's up ? My favorite but Mary , if you like horror books definitely read Mary .
You will be sad , you will laugh . That's the thing about the horror book Funny , you laugh and you don't think you're going to laugh during a horror book but you will laugh .
You're like laughing while there's blood and guts everywhere . Yes , it's hilarious .
We move with sheets over their head Like , honestly , it's , it's crazy , it's a wild one . I see my bathtub . I'm like , if you've read , mary , you know .
But other hobbies , you know podcasts . I've always been a true crime junkie , ever since I think I was a teen . Obviously criminal justice and podcasts and snuggling with my dogs I'm not very exciting . I mean , I think I'm exciting , but like it's not like I go run marathons anymore . I don't think my knees would let me do that .
We have been camping a lot because we just bought a camper .
That's true , yeah , that's so jealous .
Yeah , also , there are . Go to campground . Has two campers there that you can rent , so I'm thinking that you guys might have to join us .
That would be fun . Guess the Deets .
We will . I will because that would be fun and you can bring Kenzie .
Oh , they love dogs there . They do it absolutely .
Can we bring the dog into the camper that we rent ?
I think so , because they love dogs .
You let us know I won't . All right , I got two book questions here , so we'll go with this one first Favorite horror book .
Oh yeah , we just talked about that , we kind of did but I do have another one to add .
Ok , pet Cemetery by Stephen King . I haven't read that . Absolutely walking fantastic , and I'm a huge Stephen King fan , but it is incredible . I actually did the audiobook and the gentleman who reads it's an amazing job . It is probably one of my favorite endings of all time .
Of really yes . So that's a Stephen King one I should definitely read .
Yes , I still think about that ending . It's amazing .
Yeah , interesting , love it . Well , I'm new to the horror , so I think Mary is my favorite so far . Mary's a good one too , though there's no one with that .
What book has had a significant impact on you and your life ?
Oh God , I can go first on this . Yeah , go ahead . There's two that I can think of . Right on the top of my head is a man called Uva , or a man called Otto .
Oh yeah . We watched the movie on that . Oh did you .
Oh my God , I cried like a baby at the end .
Yeah , we both did Tom Hanks amazing , amazing actor . He did a fantastic job with that Right .
Yeah , I bald in the movie theater it was like ugly crying and I've obviously read the book . But I listened to that book and it was the state farm guy that narrated it . You know , oh , we know a thing or two because we've seen it . Yeah , it's that guy who narrates it .
Oh yeah , he has . He has two initials for his name , right ? I don't know .
I don't know his real name , I'm sorry . So I was kind of nervous about Tom Hanks , because this is what I pictured in my mind for . But Tom Hanks is always amazing .
Tom Hanks is amazing .
That was just one of those books you feel better .
Yeah reading .
After you read it , you're like man , my life is better , this guy no . So it must be farmers insurance . Yeah , we are farmers , bumper bum , bum , bum , bum , bum , bum .
Yeah , because he's kind of like a gruffy old man . Jk Simmons yes , yes , yes .
Him JK Simmons . Yeah , he's a great actor too .
He would have been a good auto , but my other one is remarkably bright creatures .
Oh yeah , I should be talking about that , I think .
Yeah .
And it's just about the North Pacific octopus and he's in Aquarium and it's just a cute book . I'm Marcellus forever If anyone's read that .
I love that .
Yeah , it's just a cute little story that I'm like how fun . But anyway , your turn All right .
Okay , it sounds like a little whore when I tell you Own it . But I love , love the series by Sarah J Moss a quarter , thorns and roses and while a couple reasons why is because after several years it got me back into reading and I absolutely fell in love with the characters , and so then I just went down this spiraling path of reading all of her books .
So I'm totally hooked on them , are you ? Oh yeah , I'm a huge Sarah J Moss fan , like I already preordered her next book that's coming out in January or February Nice .
They are so big right now , like everyone on the bookstagram , and the book talk talks about them , and so when they're that big I kind of refuse to read any of them and I get that I do , I just I .
I love them , I do , I do . And then one standalone book by Evee Schwab is the Invisible Life of Adi LaRue . I mean , that book changed me , that was so interesting .
I'm actually planning to reread it , because I don't reread books , but that one I'm going to reread because it just touched me and so many different ways , like it's a love story , but it's about travel and about her finding yourself and regret , anxiety and sadness , and it's like you will feel all your feels in the book and I just absolutely adore it .
Was that a movie ?
It's becoming a movie , okay .
Because that sounds familiar yeah .
It's in the works . I listened to it to the audio book . How was the audio book ? I enjoyed it .
Was it dual , dual people ?
Or yes .
Yeah .
I like dual people audio books Because I love podcasts . Same If it sounds like a podcast , feels like a podcast .
Yeah .
It's an audio book .
That's funny . So my other one is the Kitchen House by Kathleen Grissom . You told me to read that . I have that . Oh my God , that's another book you are in your fields and it's historical fiction , my favorite genre . And it's difficult to read because it's about the slavery years and everything .
But what I love about it is about this slave family that takes in this white girl and it's just . It's a beautiful , beautiful , beautiful story .
I'll have to add that to my list .
All right , now I'm going to . I could talk about books all day , so moving on , all right .
If you could visit any haunted location , where would you want to go ?
I think we should plan a trip to Edinburgh , Scotland . I will go to Edinburgh anytime .
I'm down .
I love Edinburgh . I've never been , always wanted to go and I've heard that there are plenty of haunted places there to keep us busy Plenty . Yeah , my brother went to the cemetery . Oh , um great fires .
Yeah , he said it was super creepy . Yeah , it's a great cemetery . It is a great cemetery , it's Edinburgh . It's beautiful , beautiful , beautiful city . I lived there for my undergrad . I went there back in 2005 .
And then I went back for our undergrad for a semester and then I took my husband there on our honeymoon and it's beautiful , sweet , because , so it's funny , you mentioned Edinburgh because I was going to say Mary King's close , because I've been there already which is where you go underground into , like , the old streets of Edinburgh .
Yes , I saw a totally haunted show about that .
Yeah , it's totally haunted down there . Okay , we have to plan a great city I would totally go back in a heartbeat .
We need to like message Sam human , see if you'll meet us . Like hey , sam , you want to go on a ghost tour ? I won't touch you inappropriately . I swear it was the ghost .
I'm not making any promises . That's fine . Consent is important Everybody anyway and if you haven't seen Outlander , please go watch it .
You'll thank us later .
Well , we all know we're Jess .
¶ Favorite Travel Destinations and Religious Upbringing
What's your favorite place to travel ?
Honestly , I love , love , love New England because you can visit so many places and they're so close .
I don't think you told everyone where you're from , like I think I mentioned it , but so I was actually born in Colorado and lived there till I was 18 .
And what , yeah , okay See , I didn't know that .
Yeah .
I don't really mention it as much because I mean , that's where I spent most of my life , but it was just so long ago and so I literally went from my high school graduation to the airport to fly to Utah , because my family had already moved over there , Plus I hated high school , yeah . So being from the west like coming to New England .
I got lost in like a million thoughts right there , Forgot the question . My big dream was coming to New England and so now that I live here , I love going to visit everywhere . But and there's so much history but I would love to go to Europe more . The only time I've been over there was with the military .
So any specific country or city in .
Europe . I know Scotland , Ireland and the UK . I think I would love to visit all those . I've been to Spain on a layover and that was the first time I stepped foot in the ocean , but anyway , I could talk about myself for like five hours Wait .
the first time you stepped in the ocean Was in wrote a Spain on the way home from Africa . Wow .
We had an 18 hour layover . That's an experience , though .
It's cool Living so close to the coast ? Yeah , it seems we take that for granted .
We totally do , because I'm like , really that was the first Like I just shocking , yeah , landlocked . I can't imagine being landlocked . I feel like I'm a hyperventilate and you don't get good seafood .
No good thing . I don't really like it .
Well , I would also say that I would want to visit Norway , finland , like the three , three fingers , they like to call them .
Is that what they like to call them ? Right , because it's a Norway Two , better make it three Nordic coast , yes , yes .
So we'd love to go there and also Prince Edward Island in Canada , because I love Anna Green Gables . I love Anna Green Gables . I love Anna Green Gables too . Right , like the Megan follows one , yes , yes .
So Jess kind of gave us her background and where she grew up . So , hannah , tell us about your background and where you grew up .
All right . Well , I do want to start off by saying that I had a very loving family . I have two younger brothers who I adore . I have a mother that is amazing . I also have an aunt that helped raise us and a grandmother , who actually just recently passed , who was amazing as well .
So , all that said not a fan of my father , I will say in a very nice way . He left when I was like eight , but it was anyways a broken home , we'll just say that . And so my mom , you know obviously , was trying to do the best she could with three kids . We went to private school all my life until I decided to go to a college .
My upbringing was probably a lot different than a lot of kids because I didn't go to public school . I did not know that , yeah , the teachings were very strict evangelical Christian oh , I knew that part . We didn't like get a sex talk at school Like they have sex at , kind of now . It was more like .
It was more like if you do that , you're going to hell . I grew up very naive , same , very , very naive .
I didn't really know much and we were told to hate a lot of things and hate a lot of people , and there was a big learning curve when I went to college and after , but I kind of have broken away from all of that , obviously , and have become a more accepting person . I just want to reiterate I had an amazing childhood .
My mother was absolutely amazing , but there was just a lot of extra stuff that happened outside the household that weren't wonderful and great and we could totally talk about religious trauma . I'm hoping we can do an episode something like that soon , because religious trauma is a real thing , yeah .
I know I make all my Mormon cracks during the episode .
So it's obvious .
I was raised as a Mormon and I was like a completely different person . I never even said hell . Yeah , I didn't swear till college either . So and I was so naive and there I'm going to share a funny story . In high school one of the popular kids was teasing one of the girls about her not knowing what a boner was , and I was like why don't you know ?
If you just told him he would leave you alone . And she's like no , I'm not going to tell him . And I kept telling her that because I didn't know what one was . At that point either I'm like just tell him he'll leave you alone , or just tell him because I want to know what it is . But yeah , I was raised very I don't know .
I guess it was strict , especially when I was young young , but my dad always held positions in the church At least this is what I perceive of . What I remember is like if people don't live this way , then they're going to hell , right .
And so I think that as a young child kind of wears on your psyche a little bit and you grow up thinking that everybody's bad and you're good , and if you don't do these specific things then you're also bad . And I think that's where a lot of that religious trauma comes in , among the other things .
So I actually fell away , became inactive , what they call , when I was around 23 and I moved out and I wasn't under his roof and I explored a whole new world . And then I joined the military when I was 24 and found a whole different world . But I also I hated people and I don't know if you ever experienced this .
People would live a certain way during the week and then go to church on Sunday and be like oh , I love Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ , blah , blah , and so I refused to be that person .
When .
I stopped going , it was because I didn't want to live that way during the week and I'm not going to be one of those hypocrites . I knew that when or if I go back , it's because I want to live it , and live it fully , and not just on Sundays .
So I guess that I mean because that's what a lot of deacons were doing , at least the churches I was growing up with . You know you would hear about sexual assault and abuses of all different shapes and sizes , unfortunately .
So it's hard to look at that and then be like but you were just preaching to me on Sunday you know , and I know that , I know we're all human , but it's the hypocrisy like you talked about , like you know . My grandfather is a evangelical pastor , so I was always expecting , especially since people knew me it was always hard for me .
Since people knew my family and our family name . I made a name . Obviously they're like well , you know , I know your grandfather , so you better have this Bible question right . It was like always , this Expectation and that was hard to live up to . You know , like they would comfort .
I remember they would come for grandparents day and it wouldn't be about seeing us grandkids , it would be about who we could shake hands with . Mm-hmm , it wasn't about the family and because I mean getting a little deep here but the message of Jesus if you decide , you know , that's what you want your faith to be is about love and acceptance .
Mm-hmm , because Jesus wasn't hanging out with the High Priest . Who's hanging out with with fishermen and people that were sending up a storm ? Mm-hmm , you know , I just feel like Christianity has been Switched out in this totally different , wrong way . You know , yeah and well , and that's not attainable .
Yeah , attainable .
That's what I feel like is the problem with organized religion in general is you get a bunch of men who are men , and when certain people get in power , they take advantage . It was the handmaid's tail that finally made me realize that .
Oh , but if you look at the doctrine of Jesus Christ , he said to love everybody right , not white people , not straight people , right , everybody . Yeah , boring if we were all the same right and he , without sin , cast the first stone . Preach it , mom , if you're listening . I'm talking about church things .
I just . I have met some of the most Amazing people in my life and people that I would stand in front of a bus , and they're not Christians . Mm-hmm , they identify with anything but the opposite . Going to church and sunny doesn't doesn't mean shit .
Mm-hmm .
Yep , I feel like we just got real , real deep . So with that , Sorry , this should be for another .
All right , so I just have a couple more questions . Who are your role models or people who have influenced your life ?
Wow , I think back to my time in the Air Force . I'm one of my close buddies that we went through a lot together . His name is Mike Buell . I doubt he's listening , but it would be awesome if he was . We went on every trip together , been through some stuff . He was my squad leader for my first appointment and he was staff sergeant .
I was just a little airman , first-class , piece of nothing a little peon . Yeah , a little peon .
We became really good friends after that deployment and seeing him grow like Professionally and I haven't seen him in years and not the last time I was back in Utah , but the time before that he I met up with him and it was so good he's now chief , which is the highest enlisted that you can go and Just seeing him kind of grow into this different person .
Because when he was just a staff and we were on these deployments he could be a dick but it was hilarious because he was never a dick to me but Seeing him grow professionally and as a person and it's been really awesome .
And I probably say my mom Just kidding , I'm kind of being sarcastic about that , but my mom , I mean I'm five of eight kids , so there's a lot of us and my mom's been through a lot raising my sister and she is a true warrior and a Wonder woman .
And if I could be half the woman she is someday , you know , I'd be a great woman and her and I talk almost every day with my sister Angela and we just giggle all the time .
I love that great . Yeah , your turn , I would definitely say my mom . I have to . I know it's like cliche , like it's my mom , but no , it's my mom . You know it was obviously rocky relationship . I was in like teens , early 20s , but I mean that's just like normal , I feel , for mother-daughter relationships . And I was the oldest , so I was the tryout child .
I was telling I was the practice child . She hates what I say , that she was . She showed me what strength was and that you don't need a man to complete your life if you don't want it . And she Engrained in us early that Education is something that no one can take away from you and love it .
Yep , I give her props for pushing me even though I didn't want to be pushed . That's what mom's do you know ? And then I'd probably say my aunt , because she kind of helped Fuel the weirdness in me .
I love that because growing up it was like I kind of talked about this earlier that it was kind of difficult to be myself because I mean , you're kind of cookie cutter and you know she made it normal to go go in graveyards and look at the graves .
That is the kind of I want to be .
I want to be the crazy spooky aunt and like let's watch Adam's family , yeah , and you know , and listen to spooky music . And I'll never forget the time that she told me you want your life to be changed . I was like sure she's like listen to this song , and it was Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen .
And it's still one of my all-time favorite songs because it's like it's just Chef's Kiss , yeah . So she kind of helped develop the weirdness in me . But my last one is probably going to be my brother , jonathan , that you all have got to know over a couple episodes .
We love us some , jonathan , and the reason that he's one of those people that has influenced me and I look up to even though he's my little brother , even though he probably feels like he's my older brother , he's my little brother is that he has also helped me embrace my weirdness , because it's taken me a while to be okay with it , because it's not society
standards quote unquote but like it's okay that you like to be in a dark and gloomy room and read a horror book . Like , yes , you might look like a serial killer , but that's okay , but you know you're not .
But you know you're not right , unless you are , and I just don't know yet .
But like it's okay to like want to have a fake skull on your bookcase or like Bigfoot or you know , just have candles lit everywhere and be in the dark and not like summer and have a rub .
is that what you mean ?
Yes , and have a husband that understands my weirdness . Is that what you want to say ?
I was going to just say marry a rub .
And marry a rub . You know , I do have a friend , kim , who has married a rub Really , so I condone marrying a rub . Rob's are great .
Is your husband's name Rob ?
No , marry a Dave , a David , awkward . Good thing he doesn't listen , he doesn't no .
Wow no .
But that's okay .
Wow Stinker . Yeah , dave , you need to start
¶ Discussing Future Goals and Superpowers
listening . All right , just a couple more questions . What are your future goals or aspirations ?
You know , when I think about that , I think about like professionally . I haven't really made like personal goals of what I want to be . It's all been professional , which is interesting .
I guess my future goals and aspirations would probably just to be a good human . I know that's . Goal achieved , goal achieved . Absolutely 100% Shucks guys , You're doing good . Tito's . Yeah , just to remember to just live every day to the best you can .
That was so corny , I don't know . Just kidding . I know it is corny , but like no , you're 100% accurate .
I don't know , I just want to fill my days with people that actually give a shit about me and I don't know . I don't know where to go with this question . Go ahead . Well , what would your perfect life look like , Living in Scotland a castle , doing this podcast ?
With a Sam and a Rob .
Hey now .
I mean we only have to mention Rob . It's oh just kidding , sweetie . Love you , mojo .
She would drop you .
I guess . So Just kidding ? No , there is no , just kidding , she's 100% here .
I mean , it's Sam Hewan , though you know I don't pay enough for Sam Hewan . True , you know what , if Henry Cavill ever approached me and all of his British manliness , no one would stand a chance . He's the one that does the Witcher right . Yes , yeah , yep , he is my celebrity .
I don't play with him , especially with that white hair , I don't know yeah .
And those muscles and the . And then he's a gentleman Like he . I've never seen him be cocky and it's like he's shy when people hit on like joke about how handsome he is . Well , it's like Jamie , like he's all dirty and stuff but but he could throw me up against the wall any day . All right , it's getting hot in here . I'll answer my question .
My aspiration is Aspirations Is to someday grovel at the feet of Henry Cavill ? No , professionally , I think , like having my own private practice .
Really , yeah , interesting , that is not mine , that's what's interesting .
Yeah , I want my own space , my own business , but also I did want to work for the VA and work with veterans , because I know a lot of veterans Won't go to therapists who aren't themselves veterans .
Yeah , absolutely .
That makes sense , and so that is something I would like to do . I would love to retire . My husband and I have plans to be like snowbirds , like literally Really . Six months in Massachusetts and six months in either Utah or Arizona .
And so the way that we have it planned with , once we both get our licenses mine and mental health and him and electrical we can get licenses in different states and then do half time here , half time out West . Interesting yeah .
So That'd be cool .
Yeah .
I guess I would change my answer a little bit and I'd probably add to be published , and either a ABA journal for research or a book that I wrote because I've written a lot . I used to write a lot , really . Yeah , do you write horror ? No , actually . I mean , these writings are from years ago .
I've had Rob read them and I don't know if he was telling me like , wow , this is actually really good because we are together or because you wanted to get laid ?
Yeah , pretty much .
Which one was it Rob ? Yeah , Rob .
Let's put anyone on the spot .
You should see if he looks so shameful right now . It was to get laid .
He's like just gonna fucking kill you . Next question All right , Two more questions .
If you could have a superpower , what would it be and why ?
I'd want to take people's pain away . That was such a world peace answer .
It's so sweet .
But really like people who are hurting , just suck it out .
I think selfishly , like I want speed , I want to fly , I want to suck pain away Like , oh my god , suck it up in the vacuum .
It's just the difference between you and I , Hannah .
I'm just kidding , it won't sit . So you just , you want that , just to help the world be a little happier .
You know I speaking of superheroes . I saw a quote somewhere about like superheroes will sacrifice you to save the world , but the villain would sacrifice the world for you . Give me a villain .
That's a lot of spicy books .
Right , I need to read more smut .
So my superpower geez , I can't make an answer after that .
Do you want me to change my answer ?
No , I probably would say though , because I was thinking like along the lines of teleportation- Okay , I do change my answer .
Can tell that's a good one Just to think , thinking and show up anywhere .
Anyway , the part of me was like I want to slow down time so I can read as many books as I want . But then I would also want to like make every child's childhood happy .
So take away their pain . Yeah , is that your final answer ? I think so .
Well , you guys are very serious about that last question . There was supposed to be a fun one , but it's just a fault , I ruin everything .
That's my superpower now .
All right . Last question , as we wrap up this amazing show that we've had .
I sense sarcasm , no , no .
I definitely . I've learned a lot about both of you . So last question how did we start the podcast ? This is a good question . Yes , do you mind if I go with that ?
Go for it . So , as we said , we became friends after we worked together and then , as we started hanging out , our thing would be that we would go to Starbucks , have coffee , and then we would go over to like Barnes and Noble and just . Best days ever , yes .
And then we started realizing that we were talking about the latest documentary we watched , or a book that we read about true crime or like our favorite haunted locations , and we were like , well , I don't know if it was me or Jesse .
It was one of us .
It was me Like , well , wouldn't it be cool if we just started a podcast ? And I was like kind of laughing it off and she's like , well , why don't we ? I was like really Like you would do that , because I knew it was going to take time , I knew it was going to take equipment and money and she was all for it .
And now we just basically take our conversations that we would have at Starbucks and bring them here to you guys .
Yeah , and sorry , not sorry for that . Sorry , not sorry .
I think it was probably one of the coolest decisions I've ever made .
It was actually yeah , it was rather quickly . You're like , yeah , I've been thinking about making a podcast . Yeah , I've always wanted to as well .
Okay , let's do it , yeah . And then you , rob , had the experience with the equipment and stuff .
So yeah , and that's something that weight goes over my head and so I think that's why I never would have acted on it had it not been the planets aligning and we met . So yeah , I've had so much fun doing the show .
I really enjoyed it . Hell yeah , it's been fun .
I've had a lot of fun too .
Yeah .
Especially Wednesday , yesterday earlier .
Lucky for Rob , he gets to listen to us all the time , and then again when he edits .
Yeah . So Hannah and I wake up in the morning and we're going through our day and Hannah goes oh shit , it's Wednesday . And I was like , yeah , it's Wednesday , whatever . And she goes you didn't finish editing the podcast . I was like , oh shit , I had a half an hour left , so I jumped on it , I finished it and I posted it .
That's why I sent it out there on our storage , saying sorry life's got in the way . Like we do have other jobs and lives , but we're we're we're life happens , it's all good . Well , lynn LaVelle from Springfield was like hey , I can't find the podcast . Oh , did she really say something ? Yeah , she did .
Oh geez , that's funny .
Hey , as long as it goes up any time during Wednesday , that's fine with me .
Yep .
Maybe I should start changing the times . You know midnight one day , one Wednesday , the next week .
No , because that might throw off . No , that might throw off our internationalists . Yeah , I don't want to do that .
Our Ireland always shows up before I wake up . What's up Ireland ? Hello Ireland , slájava , we want to come see you . You want to go to Edinburgh with us .
Well , I've had a good time chatting with you ladies tonight . I've learned a lot , and I hope our wanderers have learned something new about you too .
And hopefully they keep listening , yeah , and well , we just we didn't want to be bantering , you know , when you guys are here to like , yeah , I want to learn about Lizzie Borden , I want to learn about the witch trials or you know , the certain true crime thing . So we kind of want to just compile this into one episode .
So if you're like , oh , this is about them , I don't care and you can skip over it , which is fine , which is cool , I get it .
Is it , though , just kidding ? Of course , it is Because , yeah , fit all the banter into one episode and then we can move on .
Because we were told by a couple listeners that , hey , it might be good to know something about you guys .
So yeah , thanks for the feedback peeps . Yeah , and we got some serial killers coming up , some lesser known ones . We have a Siloam's coming up , yes , oh , and I have a case that I'm close to my sister's close to , and it will be the 30th anniversary in December .
Oh boy .
So I might talk about that one . We got good shit coming .
Well , it's been a lot of fun and I thank you for listening to Wicked Wanderings this week and we'll catch you next time .
Catch you on the flip side . Bye peeps .
Bye , bye .
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