Abundance v Activism at London Climate Week (w Yasmine Abdu, Michael Spiekermann, Charles Perry)
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Is the “Abundance” discourse - and you can fit most iterations of it in a spectrum from Aaron Bastani and Zohran Mamdani to Ezra Klein to Elon Musk - an inspiring vision of the future or a dangerous delusion? Is insisting on “limits” just realism or is it pathological pessimism? And where does climate tech fit into all that?
We think the answers to these questions are kind of important. So we were excited to talk it through onstage at Extreme Hangout during London Climate Action Week at Ladbroke Hall; with climate tech entrepreneur Yasmine Abdu, co-founder of Fridays for the Future Michael Spiekermann, and BP exec to sustainability strategist Charles Perry.
Enjoy!
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02:27 Michael Speakman's Journey from Activism to Policy
03:36 Yasin Abdu's Carbon Track Initiative
04:51 Discussion on Abundance vs. Limits
15:19 Charles Perry on the Stellar Vision
24:30 Debating the Future of Energy and Policy
28:18 Reconciling System Change and Longevity
28:44 Building an Ecosystem of Corporate Support
29:39 Avoiding Venture Capital for Mission-Driven Impact
30:58 Choosing Entrepreneurship Over Activism
32:18 The Power of Bottom-Up Movements
37:31 Identifying the Villain in Climate Narratives
50:29 Hope and the Global Sustainability Revolution
52:45 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
Many thanks to our panel and our partners at Extreme Hangout for bringing us on to their stage!
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