Valley of Headless Men

Among the world of true crime, you can find many types of stories. There are tales of bloody murder, crude torture, inspiring survival, and even the strangest of mysteries. The story of the Headless Valley is probably the oldest story we have covered to date on this podcast, with roots that go back tens of thousands of years, where tribes of indigenous worn all those they can against making the journey

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All that good entrepreneurial fun stuff.

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You know the best part about actually being able to work at home and being for yourself.

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I mean, you are your own boss, so I'm sure you give a shit in some sense.

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I'm pretty sure my boss would be pissed.

That's what I have to say. Yeah, the safety guy is not allowed to drink on the job.

No, No, safety guy is not allowed to go to work and say, hey, do this shit safely. I'm gonna go drink a beer over here. I don't think that would fly.

You would not last long probably not, oh boy.

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Well that was the episode today. Hope you enjoyed it. Stay wicked. Oh before I do present my mind blown case. Those two have nothing to do with each other, but I just said it that way anyways, because why not. I have a Patreon the thing we had we do We had one person sign up on Patreon. So this is our shining star this week. Ryan mcgeechee, I really hope I said your name right. Thank you Ryan, I'm pretty sure it rhymes with peache.

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Know if we said it right or wrong. We're going to assume for now we got it right. I want to get into this one though, because this is going to be a fun episode. We were just looking back at some of the ones I've been doing recently, because it was a couple months ago. We're like, we've been doing really heavy shit.

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I looked at the ones I've done specifically, You've covered a couple heavy ones, but I specifically have been going with some like oddball ones. How did you word it weird or strange or.

Something out of the ball or what did I say? I can't We did a pre show on Patreon tonight. I don't even know.

But anyways, some different ones. Yeah, and I got another different one for you here today.

Have I done any light hearted ones?

I don't know.

I maybe you need to look back and you maybe need to tell me to do a light hearted one.

You're all about like necrophilia stuff.

Hey, No, I'm not. I've done maybe like a handful of that of those kind of cases, Yeah, and.

I think I've done like zero of them.

Well, I don't know. Yeah, I do tend to pick heavier cases, so I'll have to maybe try to get a light hearted one here.

Well, when I pick heavy cases, it's usually graphic stuff. Oh yeah, pick like disturbing stuff.

Yeah. And because the heaviest cases that we've done, you have done, though, I will say that I don't like what was it for? Four days of Hell? Yeah, the Hello Kitty one? Those are horrific.

Yeah, but you've also done some horrific ones too, like the Japanese dude what was his name?

You thought that one was horrific, the celebrity cannibal or whatever his name is. But that was disturbing. It wasn't as graphic as it actually it was.

How is that not graphic?

We have to move on. I'm spirallyle I've done some brutal ones.

Well. Today, like I said, it's a different one. It's another mystery. This is the case known as the Valley of the Headless Men. Okay, so this episode takes place in the Nahani Valley, which is located in the Canadian Northwest Territories.

Awesome.

We're bringing it home to Canada for this one.

Yeah, we said we were overdue.

And this valley is a large untouched area that is basically straight out of a fantasy story. It is currently listed as an USECO World Heritage Site. And it's basically like there's these fifty sites worldwide that it's like these are kind of like a natural wonder there's world sort of thing. Okay, I think there was fifty of them on this list. This is one of them. And it is forty seven four hundred and seventy thousand hectares of undisturbed natural area.

Really yes, holy shit.

It's filled with massive jagged mountains, large expanse, lush forest, rolling rivers, and a hell of a lot of wildlife.

And is it untouched touched mostly just because it's kind of hard to get to it's dense or you'll be going over that.

Mean we'll be going over that. So it is a remote location. It's closest civilization is yellow Knife, which is over five hundred kilometers away, which I believe is about three hundred miles and I think that's only like twenty thousand people, So not a very big location next or even close to it. So this patch of land is quite literally one of the hardest places to visit in

Oh my gosh, that's terrifying.

Which is like weeks probably like maybe even like month plus of travel like good luck. Yeah, So all in all, it's a that nature lover's dream. The South Nahani River would take visitors through the four canyons that are over three thousand feet high. Whoa, And I could not clarify how deep some of these rivers are, but it seems like many of these rivers in some of these air Sorry, this river in many areas is like exceeding like a thousand feet deep.

Holy shit.

Again, couldn't clarify it, but that's what it seems. It's fucking unfathomable.

Basically, you almost have to wonder if there's what's there right like, because you can't explore depths like that in a river. So it's like, God, what's living down there.

And going through these because there's four canyons. They're literally labeled like first, second, third, fourth canyon. Going through these canyons, it's like sheer rock walls and it's like it's called the Canadian Grand Canyon. You can't get off the river bed. You're just on a river with thousand feet deep walls and thousands of feet of rock cliff sheer up beside it.

That's a visual that's terrifying.

Yeah, some of these sections, it's like it gets dark because it's like blotting out the sky and shit, holy shit, I mean how dark. I don't know, but I'm sure it's like it gets very little sunlight. It's wild.

Yeah, I feel like I wouldn't even I would. At first. I was like, Oh, I want to go explore over there if you can, but no, thanks.

There are some exploration ventures you can take out in these areas, but it's very costly and very restricted.

Yeah that makes sense.

So yeah, they played home to like I said, these deep rivers, these massive freaking mountains. They also have plenty of deep unexplored caves along these canyon walls, massive waterfalls, and of course animals that have had absolutely zero contact with humans. So I imagine walking through it'd be like freaking snow white with deer just standing next to you, zero fear sort of thing. One waterfall in the area

Wow, and is.

Labeled as one of the most beautiful waterfalls in the world.

Well, yeah, is there photos of that? Yep, I'm gonna have to look that up.

Its amazing. Do it up, Virginia Falls. It's amazing. I'd be so lucky to see that in a lifetime. Now. The waterfall has actually sparked many stories and legends on its own. Like you said, it's like what's in there?

Okay. See, I was feeling like there's things in this area that we probably haven't seen regularly I would assume.

So yeah, now, nowhere Canadian orchid has ever been proven to exist in the shadows of these falls, But that doesn't necessarily mean that the story is untrue, because, like we've said, the exploration is pretty minimal. So the Nahani Valley, though, is it's an untouched landscape. It's a wonder, it's a beauty.

Like I can say that again, but I.

Mean jokes aside, there's also another reason why people generally straight away from the area. Now. It all starts with the Danehey people, Now they can trace back their ancestry back over ten thousand years before the Europeans ever landed in the area in the eighteenth century. They passed stories down from generation to generation and still to this day they passed these stories down. Now they warn anyone trying to go into the valley that they're about to step into an extremely evil place.

Okay, because what did you title this or what did you say it was called.

The Valley of the headless Men.

Oh God, okay, yeah, holy shit.

Now, their ancient stories tell of an ancient tribe. I probably should have used better words description there. Their ancient stories tell of an ancient tribe. My bad on that one. But anyways, they tell of this ancient tribe of warriors that once lived in the Nahani Valley and the terrible fate that happened to them. Now, the Danehey tribe once had been war with these people, and they were called the Naha people who lived in this valley, hence the Nahani Valley the Naha people.

Yep.

So, the Naha were an aggressive people. They were strong and stood very tall, especially compared to anyone in the Danejey tribe. They wore fierce masks that struck terror into those who came face to face with them. Some stories say that they wielded weapons unlike any but the dnae Heey people had ever seen before, and other stories even said that they were a tribe of cannibals. So, according to the Danaee people, they were constantly living in fear

Oh my gosh, well, yeah, because they're just like weakening the tribe every attack, then, hey, that's terrifying.

Exactly Constantly trying to keep it as weak as possible would most likely have been their goal. So the danae Hay tried as best as they could to keep themselves prepared to fight back, but the Naha attack so often that they could never really stand a chance. They couldn't get their strength up. That is until one day the danae Hay finally managed to get a party of warriors

I would be like, eerie, hey, like you're just guns of blazing, like going in, they're gonna stir some shit and just yeah, no one's there.

It's like you finally have this pause. It's just enough time to fight back and you go in and now you're learning why there's this pause.

But you'd almost wonder. I feel like I would at first think, Okay, where the shit are they? Like, are they expecting us to come? Like, holy shit, where are they hiding?

Yeah, you're probably almost panicking. Yeah, did they go to our village?

Oh my gosh. Yeah.

So you'd probably have a lot of things running through your mind. Is this an ambush of sorts? Are they over in our village right now? Are they waiting the bush line to come ambush us as we're in there? Like who knows?

Yeah?

But yeah, it was their entire village though, mind you, not just their warriors. Their entire village was gone. It was deserted. Their tea piece reportedly stood there still tall, but not a single person was around looked like everyone in the whole village had just gotten up that day,

Oh my gosh.

So when the Danae warriors found the Naha village completely deserted and they were nowhere in sight no matter where they looked, they assumed that this was probably their.

Fate holy which is I don't know, terrifying. I feel like both the most terrifying out come possible, because then you're like, are we next? Like how would you even fight that? Right?

Oh? Exactly. So they brought this news back to their home, to their own village, and after that they never stepped foot back in that valley again. They didn't want to anger whoever or whatever caused the Naha to disappear, and like you said, they wanted to avoid the same fate.

Yeah, so, or try to at least.

Yeah, So that valley was after that strictly off limits. No one went in there, and still to this day, the Danehe people claim that one then sorry, no one from the Naha was ever seen again. Wow, But the disappearances would only be the first of a very long and disturbing history regarding this place.

Holy okay, this is fucking scary.

Oh yeah, this is like I said, this is a different, different tale here, But I never said it's not going to be a bad one. Not interesting still because holy.

Fuck, well freaking whole tribes just disappearing. That's that's a lot.

Yeah, And it's one thing to think of like an ancient story of like tribes disappearing, right, And it's like, oh yeah, there's stories of that all around the world, which there really is. I think the Mayans for example, all this sort of stuff, Egyptians, whatever. But now we have this history moving forward still thousands of years where it continues.

Yeah, it's still like untouched land, like you don't go there.

Yeah. So bring us forward several thousand years into the eighteenth century. Many places all over the United States, North America, Canada, we're all expecting or sorry, experiencing what we now call the gold Rush. We actually have a town not too far from us known as Barkerville.

Yeah, we love Barkerville.

Awesome there. So if you ever get the chance, head to Barkerville. It's an awesome little place. Gold Rush town, beautiful, lots of history. Anyways, I digress. So they're experiencing the gold rush. Entire towns and villages sprang up in remote locations, previously uninhabited patches of land to support these prospecting miners, all of them in search of gold. Right, I think the.

Uh stretch to get there? What do they always say, strike rich, strike it rich?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Think of the prospector from the Rudolph movie, realf Rednill's reindeer. There's gold in these mountains and he pick nothing. That's the kind of guy we're looking at here. So in this time, three prospectors decided to try their lock up north now where it had spread of an untouched valley up in the Nahani River. And these three men knew that they might be able to find gold up there, especially being first because it was quote untouched.

Did they not know the stories?

Well, they may have known some, but what we do know though, as per short cuts, shortcuts are usually a short cut for a reason, because otherwise they would just be the normal way to go.

Right.

So, yeah, they ended up finding themselves following what is called the flat River heading upstream into the Nahani Valley, ignoring the warnings from the danae Hey people that I'm sure they received.

Oh my gosh.

The McCleod brothers only had the most basic camping gear, their guns, their tools for prospecting, and of course, Canada being Canada, had a very cold winter, especially apparently particularly this winter. Okay, but regardless, they were very experienced outdoorsmen. They knew how to handle themselves, They knew how to survive the winters, the wilds provide for themselves, you name it. They were not going into this blind basically.

Yeah, it sounds like they thought they were set. They were ready to go one hundred percent.

I mean, if you look around, look at people like around here where we live now, we're smacked AaB in the middle of British Columbia. There's a lot of outdoorsmen here, most of which today they think they're very capable in the bush. Put them out there for a week on their own, with the kind of gear that these guys had, they'd be dead in three days. These guys different story. You could easily put them out there with nothing and they'd probably have a cabin built in a week.

Well yeah, so yeah, very comfortable, very knowledgeable, very experienced.

Well, and we're talking the nineteen hundreds, right, This is the kind of person you have to be to even exist in this type of lifestyle.

They didn't have places like Atmosphere or whatever where you could go buy. No, you're five hundred dollars jackets and shit to keep you warm.

You're not going to have a North faced jacket in your Arctic sleeping bag. It's just not going to happen. So anyways, on their very first day in this area, the brothers made their camp and they struck it big on the river side, did they. In no time at all, the brothers had filled every single spare container they had gold.

Reportedly, oh my gosh.

And they marked the spot on their maps, knowing that they couldn't possibly carry anymore. They were going to come back later.

Right, that's exciting as shit for them.

So they piled it into their boat and set along the flat river. Now the flat river is anything but flat, and like I said, it's not a short cut. Well, it's a shortcut for a reason, because it would be the way otherwise, right, right, So the brothers found out very quickly and the hard way that only a little bit downstream from where they were, you know, the river became much more turbulent, okay, And in doing so, trying to go through these rapids, their boat flipped and destroyed.

H and they lost all their gold, oh you bet you, Oh my gosh.

They managed to swim ashore picked some of the gear that they could, but most of their supplies mining gear, gold, the boat gone.

Okay, that would just be devastating, wouldn't it.

Yeah, So undeterred though, the McLeod brothers made camp again. They did have some supplies they managed to save. Now they now had to build another boat, however, to continue on the river and get their way out of there. And they figured by the time they'd done that, that have all the gold they need once again if they mined the river there where they're making camp. Okay, but

Them, right. Yeah, I actually remember learning about that at Barkerville.

Yeah, gold fever had people going nutso yeah. So in nineteen oh five, Frank and Willy, two of the brothers, organized another trip to head right back.

Okay, just two of the brothers, sorry, just two Okay.

They took better gear this time, but Charlie, the third brother. He didn't want to test his luck again. He's like, you know what, I don't know about this. That was pretty rough waters and stuff. We flipped it last time, you guys, go do your thing. So Charlie out of the picture. Frank and Willy actually brought along a friend by the name of Robert Weir instead to replace Charlie on the adventure or expedition or whatever you would call it. Yep, So they had left for the border between the dnay

Oh my gosh. So that one brother, I was like, this is going to pay off for him.

Yeah, it was a a life changing decision. Yeah, a life saving decision.

Oh my gosh. Which is always yeah, you got to listen to your gut. But that's also he just has lost to brothers, which is devastating.

It is, and I do want to mention here, like, because they were expected to be for gone for quite some while, it took a long time for anyone to really realize that these two brothers were missing.

Okay, that's fair.

Yeah, they had been gone for about a year by the time their brother Charlie began to suspect that something was wrong.

That's a really long time.

Well, I mean, remember this is the nineteen hundreds, so and assume that they were busy mining gold up there there in the middle of nowhere. A year with a word of them was kind of probably like, I don't know, equivalent of the Kardashians not upgrading their Instagram in one day. Like that's kind of what I'm assuming here.

So yeah, that's actually probably a very good comparison.

I mean it's true. I'm sorry, but it was like he was like expecting to hear from them within a year, sort of. Okay, so when the year lapsed, he's like, okay, maybe something's going on.

It was much harder to get in touch with people back then.

Oh, for sure, there's no cell phone there. Yeah, there's now no FaceTime. Probably not even pigeons to carry a fucking letter for you. No, so I'm sure there was pigeons, it just didn't use them in this For I'm gonna go and up into the bush gold mining. I doubt

Oh my gosh.

So it was about two years almost.

I can't even imagine not even being able to go an investigator, like it's going to be on your mind, but there's literally nothing you can do nothing. I hate that now.

This is also kind of when rumors began to run rampant about these men striking it rich in a river full of gold. There was talk in the area of the area in the valley that there was gold like no other There was gold everywhere. There was this great, big waterfall that was like another world. The forest even surrounding the waterfall was tropical, with you know, orchids growing in the midst.

Yeah, it felt magical.

It does. There was even rumors of like ancient beasts like mammoths and shit starting really basically like an El Dorado sort of situation that these two brothers had stumbled on, so the ancient creatures, tropical all that sort of stuff aside the gold was enough to strike people's interest in the potential of making their own move in the area.

Brother could have even thought that too, right or potentially, because I think lots of times back then like yeah, I mean, your life situations change and there isn't the means of really letting people know or whatever. So I feel like that could have been an option too, right, that the brother was sinking exactly.

So this sort of thing piqued a lot of other people's interests, and they were now thinking about making their own move into the area for search of gold and finding this plot of gold that the brothers found too, and getting their stake and their share in it. So back to Charlie though. In nineteen oh eight, he and a search party of four of other men headed out following the river upstream where he and his brother set

WHOA okay, And.

It was actually only through their clothes and some of the personal items left inside the tent that Charlie was actually able to identify the remains. They were decomposed fairly badly, mind you, And there was no trace of the third man, Robert Nils.

Okay, I was just gonna ask where's the friend?

No, he was gone. So with him gone and the only two witnesses to what had happened dead, there was nothing for Charlie to do but to head out of the valley and notify the RCMP or the Royal Canadian Mounted Police for those non Canadian people out there.

Did they think that, did Charlie think it could potentially have been the friend?

There is speculation of that. I'll touch on that here shortly. Okay, So the RCMP also made their way to the scene, where they also found a carving on a tree nearby. Now, this carving said quote, we have found a good prospect. Neither of the men had any gold on them, and there wasn't any at the campsite. There was no gold to be found. But yet they rode on a tree. We found a good prospect.

And there had been the rumors and stuff too, right that they had, yes, found.

In fact a good prospect an El Dorado, if you will. So, of course, with the missing gold, these two men killed. The theory that you just mentioned sprang out that maybe Robert had killed them stolen the gold. However, another set of skeletal remains, also missing its head, was found downstream a few months later. Oh okay, No one could confirm then it belonged to Robert, but in the end they attributed the remains to him.

That it was most likely.

Yeah, yes, and just like the other two before, no gold was found. The RCNP then said that all of the men had died out of starvation and claimed that large animals like bears and wolves had then gotten to the remains and that was why the heads were missing, and they.

Just went after the heads. That's it. Hey, yeah, apparently that doesn't make any sense.

Doesn't make any sense whatsoever. They will pick your body clean. Bears, for example, They'll they'll start with your stomach, they'll over the organs.

I was going to say that because the head isn't the juiciest part of the ba is a terrible description.

But what what an animal will do. They'll bite your neck, they'll break your neck and paralyze you, and then they'll start eating your soft underbelly. You'll see that in wildlife constantly. They go for like the butt and the underbelly. That's where all the nutrients and the best meat and stuff is. Why would they go for a skull?

And they don't. But isn't it Sometimes they don't even kill you. They'll start eating you alive.

Oh yeah, yeah. If a bear, excuse me, if a bear attacks you, wolves attack you, cougar whatever, they don't kill you. They just eat you. Yeah. Yeah, there's recordings out there of individuals getting attacked and yeah you hear eating and screaming.

Holy shit. See, this is why I have a fear lately of going hiking. Like, I don't know, it's terrifying.

Animals are terrifying.

They're terrifying.

Nature is fucking scary.

It is scary.

So I highly doubt that animals are responsible for removing a head and consuming only ad.

Only the head. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.

No, they'll pick you clean, they will. They'll eat you, and a bear, particularly grizzly, will drag you away and bury you for later because they like that rancid meat.

Nice. Yeah, the visuals here.

Beautiful right, yeah, can smell it?

Oh my gosh.

Anyways, news quickly spread, adding some legitimacy to the Danehey story about the evil spirits in the valley. But it looked like McCloud's had struck gold in the valley not once but twice.

Okay, so they should have had some money or some gold should have.

But the first time we have a witness, a brother who said, yeah, we had a shit ton of gold but capsized.

Yeah.

Second time, around, they rode on a tree. We found good prospect, right, So there's there's gold there and there should be law of it by the sound of it. So that patch river was was named the Headless Creek, sorry, the headless the Headless Creek, I kind of headless creek. And I'm sure you can imagine why the valley renamed the Headless Valley. And still because of the rumors of gold, people went out in search of the McLeod's mind aka the el Dorado of the North.

Oh my gosh, nothing will deter people.

Hey, no, people will do fucking anything for money, guarantee.

Well, I mean it also does sound just like almost heaven on earth to write the description of the Okay, some of the descriptions, like the waterfall, the orchid, like the tropical not the headless men.

But yeah, definitely not but yeah, the endless riches of gold. Yeah, beautiful tropical location in the Canadian North with beautiful beasts and flowers like, yeah, it sounds like an el Dorado and that's why it is named the El Dorado of the North. And I'm I'm sure that picture, coupled with gold fever would draw the attention of some individuals. Oh yeah, which it most certainly did.

Well. Yeah, everyone also thinks it's not gonna happen to me.

Yeah, So let's now, let's talk about some other individuals that ventured into the area and their fate. So in nineteen seventeen, a prospector named Martin Jorgensen wrote home saying that he found gold in the Nahani Valley. Martin was all in his own and he planned to be out in the wilderness looking for gold all through the winter. To survive, he'd built a small wooden cabin, and while doing that, that's when he struck gold. He wrote home, telling his partners to meet up with him when it

They did headless.

He was right beside his cabin, which had been completely burned down, and he was headless.

Holy shit.

That being the fourth bought body total that had been found without its head. Prospector assuming because of the third body, is not clarified if it was that individual, but it's attributed to so we can assume. However, though, even still being the fourth body, headless fourth prospector, the police made zero connections between Martin and the McLeod brothers at the time.

Gone, Yeah, exactly the.

Same, and no one around to be.

Of witness or anything.

Yeah, no one to attribute it to. The News about this discovery also quickly spread, and the elusive McLeod mine, you know, it's reignited. Prospectors flooded the valley.

Oh my gosh, that is just so bizarre to me.

It's okay, Yeah, some of them made it out of the valley alive, completely unharmed.

Okay, that's good.

Some of them not so lucky.

And did any of them that made it out alive also make it out with a bunch of gold?

Probably not not that I found. I'm sure some people found some gold. I mean they say, like on the Fraser River, which is just running through our city. If you go gold panning on the Fraser River, you will find gold, and you will find it every single time. But the amount is very, very small. Yeah, so it's probably like, I don't know, if you pan for half an hour, you might find five cents in gold, but you will find gold like every time.

That's really cool though.

I actually kind of want to go do it one day. Yeah, But there's there's legality issues with that.

Oh is there there is?

Yeah?

Okay, so I wouldn't even have known that.

I think you'd probably just go to like a spot where you're not no one's watching you and just go pant. People do that all the time. I think, if you're going to pan for an afternoon, I don't think anyone will fucking care.

But probably not.

But there is legal issues with it. That's what they call it, a claim, a claim to hold the rights to pull the minerals and stuff out of the river. Okay, yeah, anyways. The next story is nineteen twenty six. A woman named Annie Lafferty was part of a hunting party near the Flat River. Now. When everyone at camp went to sleep for that night, she was still with them, but when

Oh boy.

Now they did notify the RCMP, who came out and searched the area, but they couldn't find Annie anywhere. Now. Months later, a Native American called Big Charlie heard about the search and went to speak to the place himself. He claimed to have been near the hunting party that night, not being part of the same group as them, but out on his own camping near the same river, heard

Well, yeah, I don't think I would. Yeah, that's terrifying.

That was the last suspected sighting of Annie.

Huh wow, Okay.

She'd never been found.

Hmm.

Now, only a year later, in nineteen twenty seven officials in the area discovered the skeletal remains of a man just off Bennett Creek. This man went by Yukon Fisher and the Royal. The RCMP had actually been on the lookout for him several years earlier when they found him

Headless or no, they're not headless anymore.

No, he wasn't headless. Only a year after that, though, a prospector called Angus Hall just vanished. He was walking ahead of his party when they suddenly lost sight of him, and he was never seen again.

Wow.

In nineteen thirty one, another burnt down cabin was found with another body inside of it. Phil Powers had been another prospector out in the search of gold. But this time, and to great dispute, the RCMP ruled the death to be the result of a faulty stove pipe burning his

And there's there's too many cases that it's just there's something going on.

Well, there's more to come because in nineteen thirty six, two more prospectors, Bill Muholland and Bill Empire, disappeared. Search of the valley came back with nothing except their cabin, which had also been completely burnt to the ground.

Huh.

In nineteen forty five, Ernest Savered, a minor from Ontario, was found dead in his sleeping bag. He was headless. His head was never found, but something else was not too far from where his body was. Out in the forest. Trapped by the name of John O'Brien was found sitting next to his campfire. In his hands was a match, but John was frozen to death before he was able to get the fire started in front of him.

Oh boy.

Witnesses would later say that it looked like John had been quote flash frozen, because he looked like he had been fine one moment and completely frozen stiff the next.

Wow. Okay, which is not how it really works.

Generally.

Yeah.

In nineteen forty six, another prospector named John Patterson went into the valley and failed to meet up again with his partner later at the arranged time and place. His partners notified the police, who then went in search of the valley, but they didn't find anything until the last night of the search. Just as they were about to

Get the hell out. Could you imagine that? Oh? I don't think that you would get like a wink of sleep that night.

Probably not.

Oh, that's terrifying.

Now to continue on with those white figures. I didn't write this down, this part down. I didn't do any research on it, but I did hear a couple other podcasts talk about it. When I was kind of doing some research on this case, there was stories of creatures, we'll say, Harry creatures to me, very reminiscent of the description of Bigfoot or yet.

Yeah, that's where I went to.

Yeah, being in this valley and they quote were led by a pale skinned woman, the Yetties, the Yetties or whatever they were. So these, huh figures sound a lot like that to me.

Wow, okay, I mean honestly, I like there's a lot of people out there that believe in that, right, Yeah, in those figures what would you call them, those beings? Yeah, and that would be the place that they would be.

Oh you bet right? Oh you fucking bet y'a.

So, I don't know, I can see it. I maybe believe it.

I Yeah, I'm a believer, let's put it that way. So since nineteen oh eight, an established sorry an estimated forty four people have either met mysterious deaths or simply disappeared in the Nahani Valley and that's since nineteen oh eight, starting with the Brothers. Now, maybe they only became part of like a name on the list attributed to the individuals who passed away in part of the story of

Oh geez, gone there, yeah.

Yeah, maybe it was a simple warlike tribe that's just out there. Who are you know, taking care of unwanted visitors in their home. It's a very high possibility. I don't know, very high, but it is a possibility.

And now you can go and take a tour and pay big.

Bucks, well, I mean some of it. Like the truth is, we still don't know why people disappeared to start off with in the Naha in the Nahani Valley, and we probably never will. But patches of the valley and many of the surrounding Headless Valley being specifically, have been permanently closed to the public. You cannot go there.

Okay, that's probably fair, but there.

Are some spots you can go to and it is very restricted.

Now.

The official statement on why is that they've been closed to protect the land from us, but there are many people out there who think that it's actually the other way around, protecting us from the land.

Yeah, that's almost like a government Like what's the conspiracy. Yeah, like that's the one area fifty one right, fifty one. Yeah, yeah, kind of like that, Like this is restricted, Like, don't go there. There's like weird shit going on.

Yeah, don't go here, but there's nothing secretive happening.

Yeah, but don't go there. Fine, Like if you went there, you'd be fine, right, Like, but don't go there or we'll shoot you. Huh.

So Yeah, that's the story of the Valley of the Headless Men.

Is it weird that I still have this like slight desire to go there, No.

Because it sounds like a gorgeous place.

It does sound unbelievable, but it's also terrifying. I'd be scared shareless.

Now, couple that with the idea of you being able to go there and strike it rich overnight. Yeah, and gold fever and all that sort of stuff. What is Kiwi doing.

He's we are being possessed right now by something. Yes, that happens almost nightly.

I know's he's acting acting a fool up in here. Yeah, calm down, Kiwi, He's good. Probably not, but yeah, that was a wild story that was fun to research.

It would be interesting to research that one.

It was. It's a different case because it's like a little bit history. Who knows if it is crime being involved. I maybe it is animals, but I think the likelihood of it being animals zero to none.

Yeah, it would have to be some sort of animal that we're not like it used to, that we don't know of, because yeah, I don't feel like an animal would just be like ripping off people's heads and no and call it a day now.

There is a couple things that do want to say against this, though, too. One out of forty four potential people. Of course, some of those are just people going in the river, drowning, getting lost, that sort of stuff.

Legit survival like gone wrong kind of.

Oh yeah, yeah, but that doesn't explain all of it. People's missing heads, women acting possessed in the middle of the night sort of thing. These white figures. There are reported stories, and I'm going to go the whole Sasquatch route here for a second. There are reported stories and there is some photographic evidence. I'm not going to say it's evidence per se, because it doesn't really prove anything.

Oh my gosh, So I hate.

That there's photos of deer's head, Like people find just a dead deer randomly and its head is like twisted and its neck has been like twisted around like five or six times, So like, what the fuck's doing that?

Yeah? What would be doing that?

And I would think that whatever is doing that could potentially be the same thing or whatever that removes some heads in the Headless Valley potentially.

And I mean it honestly sounds like a place that that would they would just thrive there, right, like yeah, watches or whatever.

So an untouched fucking valley, yeah, that humans cannot get to. Even if they can get to, they're not allowed to get to. And if they do go there. It's heavily restricted and toured through.

Yeah. Yeah, like there just be endless food and resources for them and they can do their go on the merry way.

One thing that I want to think about here is these cave systems up on the side of these canyons. Literally no one's ever.

Been in Oh my gosh, Okay, that's terrifying.

Not a single person, not a single human that we know of, has ever stepped foot in these caves.

I don't think I would even like you couldn't pay me enough money to go in to one of those caves.

No, No, what if that is like a civilization in there of these creatures are being I'm not saying that they are dead, probably especially if you go in there, but I'm not saying that they're simply like, oh, you know, they're they're digging holes in the side of the mountain. No, what if it's just like a lookout into the canyon and it goes like miles off into the forest other directions and connects to other ones on the other side, and like all this weird crazy stuff. There's a big old rabbit.

Hole going down, No kidding. I feel like you could probably even spend more time on this and probably you could have just gone crazy.

Now I want to touch on the most realistic situation, and it might not be the situation that I think most people would really think is the most realistic, but it is to me. What if there is an untouched tribe of indigenous out there, someone that's a tribe that's completely disconnected, that is very much so protecting their land from invaders. Because there are untouched tribes in the world today, few,

H I feel like at this point we would know, you would think, but possible, I don't know. Yeah. Wow, so yeah, it's crazy to think though, like just how the technology and everything that we have that there's just in the world. Really there's still so much unknown?

Oh hell yeah right, Well look at the oceans for example, like we know like what like five percent of our oceans. Yeah, that's like and I'm talking like like mapped, that's not even like what lives in it.

Yeah. It kind of makes you, for one, feel very small and then also very terrified.

Yeah, not to say space, you know, yeah, what do we have mapped of space? Literally? Nothing, not a lot. There's our moon, that's another planet. What's on it? No fucking clue, you know?

Like really, yeah, Ben could do a whole another podcast or many episodes on just all this shit. I feel like, oh, you get talking about this, like he won't stop if you.

Give me a drink and get me on these sort of weird topic shit, I'll keep going for days.

For days, I've had to hear a lot of these theories and these thoughts.

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You brought us down another rabbit hole as per usual.

As per usual, this one was a weird one, but a fun one.

Yeah, it was fun all right.

Well until next episode, which we got. I got another one I'm doing here, might not be a strange one like this. I think we're going to go a little bit more the murder out this time. But until then, until then, stay wicked.