Welcome to part two of the Richardson Murders. If you haven't listened to part one yet, make sure you do so, because we'll be picking up from where we left off on today's episode. Good morning, following podcast materials for a mature audience listener, just question this.
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You'll miss out on a lot of info. This isn't an info heavy case.
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Yeah, So without further ado, should we get into part two? Oh that rhymed?
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Further a dude? Should we get into part two?
This is going off to a good start.
Is that what you call a good start?
I'd say? So? Okay, So to do a slight recap, we left off part one with twelve year old, Jasmine's relationship with her parents steadily declining right Her relationship with her twenty three year old boyfriend Jeremy was, however, flourishing. On March twentieth, two thousand and six, Jasmine wrote to Jeremy stating that she had a plan, a plan which begins with her killing her parents and ends with them
living together. Jeremy loved this plan. Jacob's neighbor friend Gareth, would make a gruesome discovery on April twenty third, two thousand and six, of the bodies of the Richardsons, Deborah, Mark, and Jacob. So we're going to dive into the events that led to Gare's gruesome discovery.
Huh. I'm not ready for this, but let's do it.
I'm never ready for this, honestly, Okay. I feel like this is actually probably the most time I've ever spent on a case because the book spent a lot of time. Was amazing. So I definitely recommend reading the book. We'll have it in the notes. And I don't know, it was just like I just needed to learn almost everything about it because it's terrible. It really actually bothered me this case. But that's okay.
Well, and rightfully, So.
It's very bothersome case. So Jeremy was becoming more infuriated with Jasmine's parents telling friends they were locking her up, yet the two of them continued to keep in touch. Jasmine would softly creep out of her bedroom as late as one in the morning and use the basement phone to have whispered conversations with Jeremy, sometimes for hours into
the night. They'd fansize about escaping to a castle in Europe, their castle, but struggled with the idea of running away because Jasmine's family would just go about trying to find them.
In all honesty, I can relate to the escaping to Europe and living in a castle dream.
I mean that does actually sound kind of awesome.
Yeah, I mean, girl, that's my dream.
Hell yeah, you're all about that dreaming. Oh my dream is actually just like moving our tiny home to Tafino, So I feel like it's a bit more attainable.
That's my Canadian North American dream for sure. However, if I were to do whatever the fuck I want, castle is in Europe, I mean, it doesn't matter where a castle fucking rights.
Probably in Ireland or Scotland or something. Yes, yeah, Okay, So they often discussed how to go about killing her family and ran through various scenarios including shooting, stabbing, knocking them out, and setting the house on fire. And if they eliminated her parents, it would be unfair to leave her brother alone in a world without a mom and a dad. That's I don't agree with that at all. I mean, I don't agree with the whole situation.
Yeah, yeah, Devil's advocate here. Of course, murdering the parents is not a cool thing. Don't get us wrong with this conversation. But I don't think that's a reason to have to kill the brother.
Too, because the thing is they were going to get caught, like there is no doubt about it. Yeah, So having the brother be able to say who did it, it doesn't matter, Like it was going to be inevitable. So it's like, this is an eight year old boy that had his whole life ahead of him. Yeah, and he would have been terribly devastated, but he would have adapted in a way and still been able to potentially live a fulfilled life wholeheartedly.
Right, So that is one of the most pathetic excuses, Oh yeah, for murdering someone, let alone a child.
Honestly fucking disgusting. Yeah, disgusting it is. So then came the evening of April twenty second. Early in the evening, the Richardson's had Gareth over and were enjoying hot dogs in the backyard with Jacob. I had mentioned in part one that Jacob and Gareth were supposed to have a sleepover that night, but Gareth instead was going to a hockey game with his grandma, so they were hanging out beforehand having a hot dog roast, which, holy shit, thank god.
Right, yeah, no kidding, Otherwise he would.
Have been He would have been killed too, for sure. I think, just like the logic of what those people had, Oh my gosh. Meanwhile, Jeremy was getting drunk and stoned with friends. He had previously purchased a twelve pack of beer and an eighth ounce bag of pot, and when his beer was done, he rated his mother's beer fridge or beer supply in the fridge and vodka in the freezer. Jasmine wasn't with Jeremy that evening. She was at home soaking in a hot bath and messaging with a friend.
The friend wanted to hang out with Jasmine the following day, go swimming or go to the mall, but Jasmine simply replied that she couldn't, and when asked why not, the friend never received a reply back. At about nine pm, Jeremy left his trailer high on pot and booze and went to visit his friend Jordan and ask him a favor.
High on pot and booze. Eh, yeah, high on booze.
Sure, high on all of it, all of the above. I know, I just felt high on I should have said high on pot, intoxicated on booze, drunk on booze.
He was under the influence of alcohol and the devil's lettuce.
He was intoxicated by two means.
A Mary Jane the marijuana.
Okay, so you see. He wanted his friend Jordan to help murder his girlfriend's family with him, and he wasn't the first friend he'd ask of this. Jeremy had previously asked his friend Grant, who simply told him to fuck off. Jordan wasn't interested either, He said, no way, I don't have it in me to kill another human being. Jeremy was furious, but left and headed back to his trailer. He called and once more when he got home and was overheard yelling at him and talking to Jordan about
killing them. He also threatened Jordan, saying, if I ever find out you or anybody else told the police about this, I will kill all of you because I won't know which one is the rat.
What the fuck?
So, the sad reality of this is so many people knew of Jeremy and Jasmine's intentions.
Buddy scared them all into silence.
Well no, and even some of Jasmine's friends knew that she had told, but it just never got reported because as far as everybody was concerned, they were just angry and they would never actually go about ahead with this plan.
Well, I mean, how absurd is it to think that your friend's going to go murder their parents. I mean, you're probably not going to believe them.
No, you probably wouldn't. Like you just think, oh, they're angry, like they just need to cool off.
Yeah, well you hear that in conversations and you can I mean you can scroll Instagram or TikTok and you could find people getting in arguments or whatever and like, I'm going to kill this guy. I mean they're not meaning it, literally, No.
No, when you're mad, you say things. But I mean, Jasmine I can kind of understand, but the Jeremy one, I don't know. If I was in that situation, I might not have taken it quite as lightly. Yeah, maybe I would want to say something about that one.
Mm hmm.
So once Jeremy calmed down, him and his friend started watching the movie Natural Born Killers, which really set the tone for the night. Have you watched this.
It's been a long time since I've seen that movie.
I know, I'm not even sure i've seen it, But the premise of the movie is two lovers go on a massive killing spree, including killing the girlfriend's parents so she can be free of their control and live with him. While watching, Jeremy was getting fired up and made comments in regards to what was happening in the movie and how him and Jasmine would go about it a little bit different, like, for example, in the movie, the brother
was spared. That's where it's going to be different, Jeremy explained, Jasmine is going to kill her brother. The one friend told Jeremy to stop talking about killing Jasmine's family, to which he responded, if you can talk her out of it, I won't do it. Like this is just so fucked up that these are the conversations. I don't think I could have friends that talked like this. I think I'd just be like, how.
Did you not go to the police with that? Though, I know the difference is we're going to kill her little brother?
Well, the thing was so like they were all very intoxicated and stuff too.
Still, right, people are honest when they're intoxicated. Yeah, they're usually brutally honest.
Yeah, so the friends part of their ways. And the next thing that was overheard was was a two am phone call. Jeremy was talking on the phone saying are you sure you want to do this? He was later heard leaving the trailer and driving away with no friends willing to help. Jeremy turned to coke for courage, okay, and when it paid his friend Cam a visit, who he knew was a good source. Cam's girlfriend or Jenny. Sorry,
it was also at Cam's. Jenny was stoned herself, so she couldn't remember exactly how much pot they smoked or how many lines of cocaine they started, but she said it was a lot. Might have been more than six lines each.
Holy shit. Yeah, I mean I've never done coke, but I can assume that's a lot.
I think that'd really fucked you up pretty bad.
Yeah, no kidding.
They were also drinking vodka and Vampire brand wine straight from the bottle. Jenny also offered Jeremy some ecstasy, so it's safe to say Jeremy would have been absolutely wrecked. Like I can't even imagine. So he's high on pot, cocaine, ecstasy, beer, vodka, and wine, but not life. No, no, not that at all. And then I think he even took like some I don't even didn't hear about cocaine to go.
Cocaine to go.
It sounds terrible. I hate that. I just said that, I'm welcome McDonald's.
What can I get for you today? Yeah? Can I get a happy meal please? Oh gosh, with three lines of coke in it? A Mick coke.
Anyway, And he snorted that before he went to Jasmine, so like he he didn't need that. How the fuck would he even drove driven there?
Like, I don't know, there's.
Honestly, it would have been awesome if he probably just crashed on the way there, right.
Well, I don't know if i'd say that, but I didn't.
Say hurt, but just crash his vehicle? Can no longer make it to Jasmine.
I know where you're going with that. Yes, no, I the family lives. Yeah, I don't want him to just drive off the road and fucking die.
But that's all I meant. No, I don't think I just like crash, like maybe like hit a telephone pole and like he can't get to Jasmine's. Yes, that's all I meant. Okay, okay, So he left the apartment and his way made his way to Jasmine's house. Jeremy crept to the front of the house and picked up a pine cone off the ground to throw at Jasmine's window to let her know that he was there. She motioned for him to go to the basement window, where she would let him in.
You know, these two were like sitting here thinking they're fucking Romeo and Juliette.
Oh yeah, there was even a reference of that shit in the book. I didn't put it in here. I was like, fuck that. Oh yeah, they think they're just awesome.
Yeah.
In the pocket of his black hoodie, he carried a knife. And then the events that unfolded Necks all seemed to happen very fast. Debrah, Jasmine's mom, woke up to the noise of Jeremy entering the house and most likely suspected that Jasmine was once again trying to sneak out, so
she went down to the basement to investigate. As she's turned on the light, she was met with Jeremy, who was in his black clothes back near pream I said that funny pream black fishnet, arm stockings, leather wristband, neck, bandana, and eyes lined with black eyeliner. Fueled by cocaine, Jeremy pounced on Deborah. There had been literally no time for her to really react. Jeremy viciously stabbed Deborah twelve times,
including a twelve centimeter deep piercing to her heart. This commotion obviously calls Mark to wake up and race downstairs to the screams of his wife, which is just that would just be like the worst way ever to wake up.
Oh man, I can't imagine.
He sees Deborah on the floor and the masks masked figure standing over top her and grabs a screwdriver that was left on the stairs and prepares for the battle of his life. Mark was a warrior. He was fighting for his family, but unfortunately he was no match for the advantage Jeremy had on him of cocaine and a sharp This breaks my heart. As Mark was realizing he wasn't going to win this battle, he asked Jeremy who
who he was, like, who are you? To which Jeremy didn't reply, But Mark then asks why, to which Jeremy screamed, because you treat your daughter like shit. It's what your daughter wanted. Those words would be the last Mark would ever hear.
Holy fuck. Yeah wow, and those are nothing but the like so incorrect, those.
Words so incorrect. Well, I mean the daughter did seem like she did want well that yeah they did. They could have given up on her so many times, I feel like, and they just didn't. They seem like amazing people. I feel like a lot of parents would not have put up with what they did to the extent. So Mark was stabbed twenty four times, including nine times in his back.
Fuck.
He fought til has very last breath. Both Deborah and Mark had numerous defensive knife cuts on their hands and arms. Jeremy would meet Jasmine in the kitchen, where Jasmine apparently gave Jeremy a hug and kiss and told him that she loved him.
She then proceeded so she was just standing in the kitchen the whole fucking time.
Pty. Well, I mean this is like just from them, right, So she went upstairs at some point I think she went I'm not sure, like some say she went to check on her brother, but I think she didn't because then she went up to the brother later and it seemed like that was the first time she saw him. But yeah, she was not helping, like she was just kind of like watching from afar. I don't even think she was really full eyes on what was going on down there.
But even still, even if she was on a separate floor wherever she was in the house, she's just listening to this happen. Yeah, listening to her parents' fucking fight for their lives.
Yeah, holy fuck, Like it's really bad. So she then proceeded to head upstairs to her brother, who was scared shitless, asking her sister what was going on. Oh, I just can't even with this brother's sister thing like it just destroys me. Jasmine told her brother to go to sleep as she cradled his neck in the crook of her arm and squeezed hard, but Jacob dug his fingernails into his sister's forearm and broke free from his sister's grip. That's when Jeremy came up the stairs, smearing blood along
the wall in his path from like his sleeve. H Jasmine and Jeremy cornered Jacob. His last words were I'm scared. I'm too young to die.
Oh my god.
Yeah. Jasmine and Jeremy decided they couldn't let him live, their excuse being that he was too sensitive and would be wrong to leave him without parents. The little boy fought In the Runaway Devil book, it said Jacob fought like the Jedi warrior he often pretended to be. Neither Jasmine nor Jeremy ever admitted to being the one who ultimately took Jacob's life, though Jeremy was adamant it was Jasmine. But either way, the little eight year old boy's life
was cut far too short. He was stabbed five times, including a wide, deep gash across his neck. Fuck like monsters. That is just a monsters and there's there's one monsters awful.
There's one thing I do know about the details on this this part. There was blood in one of his toys, specifically, wasn't there?
Well, yeah, I mentioned that in part one.
Oh that's right, okay, but he.
Had and that's why I kind of said, like Jedi. So he had his lightsaber that apparently had blood on it. Oh you're making me say this again. Like he went to try to fight with his light fight them off with his lightsaber.
Yeah.
Like just the most pure, innocent, little boy thing that you could ever hear.
The thing that really gets me is they these two fucking monsters. I'm sorry, but they are fucking monsters. They are They think the right thing to do is to kill them, because it would be wrong to leave them without parents.
It doesn't make any sense.
So it's wrong to leave. But murdering's not right or right, but it's.
Taking his life and all the possibilities of his life is better. No, shit, it doesn't make any sense. It's so disgusting.
We killed two, so we should probably kill three.
Yeah, what I mean, he would have had family or someone else that he could have gone with. I'm sure right. So, So, now, after the discovery of the Richeson murders, and as I had mentioned in part one, initially the police feared Jasmine was also a victim and had been abducted by the attacker, but it was realized very quickly that was not the case. The police contacted Jasmine's school counselor to gather some names of Jasmine's friends in order to contact them in hopes
of finding her. Maybe she was just having a sleepover at their house or something. Right, they would meet at the school to retrieve Jasmine's school photo so they could really sit and the contact in full of her friends. And they also searched through Jasmine's locker to see if she had her friend's numbers taped to the inside door or in a notebook, as many students often did. But what they found in her locker made Jasmine go from
no longer missing but to a murder suspect. She had a twelve panel cartoon strip depicting a family of three stick figures being burned alive while two others watched laughing. One stick figer is happily running toward a vehicle labeled Jeremy's truck. There was also a note that read Hugh Jays, I'm looking to take a breath. This is brutal. It is May the hatred and anger build of blazing infernos
fill you and overcome you. May the pains of a thousand tortured souls come upon you like scalding and eclipse all other noble feeling like the poem doesn't even really make sense to me, but I'm gonna keep reading it. May your hopes, dreams, and happiness fall into the swirling pit of despair, never to return. May your peace of mind and safety be gone to you, to be forever afraid and allied. May the black overcome you, and the
pain never ending. May all you love be stolen and destroyed, just out of reach, to never again feel such joys. Amen xx amen. Yeah. So after they have found those two pieces that are like wow, basically.
Yeah, no shit, I'm also kind of like wow.
Yeah, well, I mean I just feel like it's hard to believe that, like a twelve year old thinks that way in a sense, you know, it's.
Hard to believe she is twelve, Yeah, honestly, and like even that, you forget that posted, you forget that.
Yeah, she looks like she's literally sixteen years old.
Yeah, she doesn't look twelve, she doesn't act twelve. Certainly, what she's done is not what you'd think is what's normally capable from a twelve year.
Old and there was I said I was going to post the photo with like the gun, but I never posted that because I was like, I don't know if Instagram will like that there's a gun in this photo. So I had picked other photos just I said that last one, so I just wanted to clarify. So, but at the scene of the crime, there was also something else they found, and it was a small blood smear
on the light switch in Jasmine's room. And from the investigator's experiment experience, thieves or home invaders don't generally turn off the lights, so that was like another thing that really pinpointed her. Makes sense. I never even have thought of that, to be honest, they don't turn off the lights, well, or turn on and off the lights.
Oh turn yeah, turned him on and off? Yeah, fair enough.
You just want to they would I don't think they would be touching the lights.
No, you want to leave it exactly as it is. Yeah, I don't want to draw any attention.
If they needed a light or whatever, they'd have a flashlight.
Yeah.
So and yeah, they would be trying to feel it or something like that. So that just made so much sense. I was just like, Wow, I never thought about that I want to be like a detective. That's so interesting what you probably learn. Okay, so where were Jasmine and Jeremy. Well, after the Grousome murders, Jeremy took off. He was paranoid that someone saw him. He was basically a hot mess, shaking, trembling,
gasping for air. He wanted Jasmine to hurry up. She was in the process of gathering her things, but the panic was really setting in, and he took off, running down the street to his truck and drove back to his trailer. I mean, he was also probably losing his high, right, maybe not even yet, but he was just fed out of his mind.
Yeah. Whether he lost his high or he's still on it, or he's just starting to freak out, I don't know, but all those scenarios are definitely applicable and realistic.
Yeah. So, after gathering her things, including stealing her mom's purse, which I'm like, that's just like another thing.
Right, it's just the salt into the wound.
Jasmine called a cab to come and pick her up and take her to Jeremy's. She actually went outside to call the cab so she wouldn't be in the house with her dead family, and as she was outside, she caught a glimpse of her father's body through the window on the floor in the basement. She reached through the broken window and closed the blinds to block the image. Out of sight, out of mind. Wow, like disgusting.
How heartless is that?
I know that, It just seems it's beyond me like it just the whole thing is awful, heartless, like you said so. Once the cab dropped Jasmine off at Jeremy's, they greedy each other with a big hug and exchanged I love you s. Jeremy had already cleaned himself up, but he looked worn out and had a rapidly swelling eye like a black eye. He put his bloody clothes into a plastic grocery brig to discard of, and the two of them headed to Cam's apartment, where Jeremy had
been prior to the murders. They ended up staying the night there. They had sex and woke up early afternoon the following day, where they proceeded to get ready and head to a well known party house and crash pad where a party was in full swing.
And just a reminder Jeremy's in his twenties and she's twelve. Yeah, just that reminder.
He's twenty three, so there's eleven year different difference there and she's twelve. Yeah. So he, along with murdering people, is also.
Let's just move on.
Let's just move on. Yeah, okay, So Jasmine was now free. It was as if it was her coming out party. At the party, it was described that the two of them were all over each other, making out on the couch like no one was literally around. And surprisingly the party this, I was like, what the fuck, was barely a kilometer down the road from Jasmine's house. So as
they were there, Gareth was discovering Jasmine's murdered family. His mom was folding the police and the investigators were beginning their search and they were not even a kilometer away.
And they didn't even give a shit, no wow.
At one point, search dogs were brought in to search for evidence. They searched within a half kilometer radius of the Richardson home, But if they had extended that search to be a kilometer radius, they would have basically found Jasmine and Jeremy on the front lawn eating fucking fast food.
But what reason would they have had to ext and that sort of I know, like the line's drawn somewhere, right, yeah, but the farther you get away, less chance of that.
Happens, I know. But I'm just like, oh, almost half a kilometer or more. But I mean that would have double the radius, right, So it's not like it's that that close. So as they were outside eating their fast food, Jeremy's good friend James showed up. He was moving out and there to collect his final belongings. The two of them actually followed James inside. Jeremy felt he could confide in James and very quickly blurted out to him, we
killed my girlfriend's family last night. I gutted them like a fish, to which Jasmine responded, my little brother gargled.
Wow, my little brother gargled, holy fuck yeah, oh my god.
James was busy, so the conversation didn't last long, but James just responded that they're crazy, like you guys are crazy. He didn't believe that his best friend could do something like that.
Did he go to the police by any chance?
He did not right away, No, right away, but he did. He did later when it was more out there. But like just that little conversation didn't make him go to the police. No one believed that they would buy something.
I understand.
I'm just like, that's a law, go to the.
Police, I understand. But I mean, okay, if you hear someone saying that I killed someone, your next move should probably be contacting the police. Yeah, even if it's a can we get a welfare check on these people because you know what this person claims they killed this person.
Yeah. Yeah. So eventually the news started to reporting on the murders, and this brought the same paranoia back to Jeremy. Jeremy that he felt after the murders, which is when the pair accepted a ride from a friend who was
driving some other friends to Leader, Saskatchewan. Last minute, I looked at how Leader was because it was like, oh, maybe it's like a distance, like they're really trying to escape, but it was only like two hours away, which I don't feel like as much of a getaway plan there not really, And it was not because Leader would be
where the pair eventually got caught. They were caught by a rookie RCMP fresh out of training, Constable Aaron Ewart, who went off of a hunch he had seen the bulletin put on the evening or put out sorry on the evening of April twenty third, by the Medicine Hat Police to be on the lookout for suspects who were wanted in a triple homicide. It was suspected that leader was their destination, as that's what the homicide or Sorry the medicine Hat police were told from friends and acquaintances
of the pair. You weret drove around in his own vehicle most of Sunday night in search, but at two in the morning he decided he'd go get some sleep. He would wake up the following morning at five thirty, early enough to be at the main gas station in town before it opened for the day. And sure enough, seven am, a small pickup truck matching the description of the suspect vehicle with Alberta plates pulled up to the
gas station. That's like using your nog in, eh no kidding, Like, I'm like, well done after driving that.
Trip, they're going to be needing gas.
Yeah, well, like they were waiting for something to open two, Like they were there in the night or whatever, and they were waiting, So I was just like, that's impressive. So I'm not going to go into a lot of detail in their capture and arrest. Jeremy and Jasmine weren't initially visible to Ewart as they were under the canopy of the truck, being that there was enough room for
them in the cap. When the friends went inside the gas station to use the bathroom, Jasmine and Jeremy stayed behind, but while inside, they noticed a newspaper with the front page heading a couple boy found dead with a picture Jasmine's house and a picture of Jasmine herself. They were like, utterly shocked.
Really, they were shocked.
They said, they were utterly shocked. The girls bought the paper knocked on the canemy's to show Jasmine and Jeremy, with jasmine reaction being to giggle.
To giggle, she giggled, what the fuck?
And Jeremy was basically like, that photo doesn't even look like you. That was literally their reaction to her family's murder being front page of a newspaper.
Wow, so these friends would have probably heard them saying we're going to kill this family and all this sort of stuff and let's leave town as we hide in the pickup truck box under the canopy.
Well, they weren't nests like I feel like if there was room, they probably would have gone in the cab, but there wasn't room for them up there, so that's why they were in the back.
But even still they had they had to have. At one point heard them talk about or someone else of other friends talk about them, saying, you're going to kill their parent.
Yeah, and one of the like, I'm not. I didn't go much details of the girls, but at one point Jeremy asked, I think it was definitely one of them, it might have been both of them actually to go wipe out his truck and hide it, to which they did.
They did? They did, they did, they did, they did? What the fuck?
Yeah, So if anyone ever asked you to like go wipe out their truck and to hide it, maybe just like call the police. No shit, Yeah yeah.
Let me wipe your truck out and go hide it. First.
Well, the wipe garl had a crush on Jeremy.
Yeah, and if that guy asked you to go the truck and hide it.
You should just let go of that crush because yeah, no kidding. So the group pulled away and drove to the parking lot of the high school just to like regroup. I think little did they know that you were was following when he When his backup arrived, the officers approached the truck, finding Jasmine and Jeremy the back, with Jasmine pantless. Ough the teens are you You're just like face disgusting case. You're absolutely I should be laughing, but Ben's face, it's
just too much. Okay. So the teen girls were gathered and put in the back of Ewart's vehicle, with Jasmine being handcuffed. Jeremy was put in the back of the other officer's car, and as he was he yelled out, tell my mom she can have my TV and then I love her.
What That's what he says, This fucking guy, you think the TV is the most important thing right now? Him?
Ma, Ma.
Just arrested for murder. But don't worry. I'm going away for thirty years. You can have my TV. It's okay.
The way you just grabbed your MIC and just like went after that was freaking good.
That was good. Sorry, that was good.
Okay. As the girls were being driven to the station, this is fuck, this is fucked. Their biggest worry seemed to be if Jeremy would get charged with raping an underage girl. Since Jasmine got caught with her pants off, that's what they were worried about.
That was their concern.
Yeap, and one of the girls told Jasmine to claim that the cops had raped her. They were all taking it very seriously as you could, you can tell.
Wow.
Among other things, they were also very disrespectful to the officers, telling them to fuck off, damaging the inside of the police cruiser when they were in there, stealing notepads and pens, and making unauthorized phone calls. Because the population of Leader was like under a thousand, So though the place the police did an amazing job, they weren't necessarily equipped to
hold four teenage girls in one adult male right. They didn't have the holding cells for that situation, so they had to keep them in the cruiser at times, and like they were just trying to work with what they had. Yeah, fair enough, And these were they were being little shits.
They were being cunts, that's what you were trying.
To say, Yes, I guess, but it's like, did they not realize what the fuck was actually going on?
Wow? Apparently like they should.
Have honestly also got charged for just being little dinks. Like I don't know, is that a charge that you can get.
Your charged for being a little dink. That's a separate charge from having a little dink.
Anyway, both Jasmine and Jeremy were charged with three counts of first degree murder. For Jasmine, at twelve years old and six months of age, she became the youngest person charged with multiple homicide in Canada.
Wow.
Not a badge to be proud of it, No kidding, Okay. So, to touch on Jasmine's and Jeremy's interrogation, they both cracked. They both cracked under the pressure fair enough. Jeremy was an emotional wreck. He says, things just kept escalating, they got out of control. I would do anything for Jasmine. I tried to talk her out of it, but she wanted it bad. And though Jasmine was pretty much essentially
emotionless through most of it. They did, however, get her to write an apology to her parents to help her get it out. But really we're just trying to get as much evidence out of her as possible. Of course, she said, dear my lovely parental units, I am writing in response to the events of Sunday morning. A terrible thing happened, something I always feel was all my fault. You must know I love you all dearly and are in my prayers. I wish peace upon your souls in
the summer Land. To my little brother, I apologize for letting you hear what had happened, also for causing you pain and for frightening you so much. To my parents, I hope you know that through all this, through all that has happened, I loved you the whole. While I wish I couldn't. I wish I could take everything back. I wish it hadn't happened. I wish you were with me right now, because now I have no one. I
can pray that you forgive me. And Jeremy too, because he was under the influence of mine altering substance and did it out of love for me. He is most possibly the kindest person I've ever met, his wish being for my happiness. Through all the fights and hatred exchanged, I still loved you, and I'm sorry my sarcasm was taken to heart. I never meant to harm you. I pray you can be at peace somehow.
That is a whole lot to unpack. I never meant to harm you, and I pray for you. Yet there was that weird prayer poem, yeah, in her locker that we found I don't know.
I also, I don't know. I was found slightly biased with her because I feel like, especially because in episode one she had gone to counseling with her parents and like seemed like she just like knew how to play the game a little bit, right, mm hmmm, because her parents thought she was changing and like gave her more freedom and stuff, and then instantly she just was like back to her old ways. So it's like, I feel like she's kind of manipulative even how she's what she's done with Jeremy really.
Oh yeah, And there's there's there's a saying of you're not sorry for what happened, You're sorry you got caught, And I think that's exactly what this is. She never anticipated getting caught. She just thought that she'd run off in the sunset and live happily ever after. She didn't even calculate getting caught into it.
Yeah, but it's but then things like she's twelve, Yeah, exactly. It's so hard to unpack because ken a twelve year old actually be capable of what we feel she is. Why not I don't know that just seems so young to me, Like that seems so young to me. But she's matured beyond her years.
Really well, regardless of matured beyond years or immature, well under your years, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter age or anything. A person can be capable of quite for lack of better words, incredible things. Unbelievable things would be a better term. There we go.
You just wouldn't expect it from a twelve year old there, You.
Would not to say that they can't be capable of that, whether it's physical or mental or whatever. Manipulation. Yeah, clearly she is capable of it, because that's exactly what happened.
So Jasmine and Jeremy also wrote love letters back and forth to each other, and this was like also the interrogator's idea, and I'll spare you, but through these Jeremy actually asked Jasmine to marry him and she said yes, So I guess they were also engaged, all right. Then,
once on trial, Jasmine pleaded not guilty. Essentially, the defense wanted the jury to believe that Jasmine was a child victim with Jeremy being her predator, that she never intended for the murders to actually happen, but there was evidence that would be presented to say otherwise. She painted the picture that it was all Jeremy, that she awoke that night to her mother's screams, and that she herself was
afraid of Jeremy, that Jeremy would hurt her. But when she was cross examined, things didn't go so well for Jasmine. Many holes in Jasmine's story were brought up. If there had been no premeditated plan to kill her family, why had she not phoned nine one one while Jeremy was downstairs murdering her parents. Why didn't she tell her little eight year old brother to run once Jeremy had left the house. Why didn't she check on her family and see if they needed help, see if they were maybe
still alive? Right? Instead, she packed a bag and took a cab to Jeremy. I also something I never meant mentioned she didn't have money for the cab, so at one point she had to run down the street to like the seven to eleven, to the bank machine to get money, and there was a clerk there so that would be another opportunity for her to get help.
Well, and the cab driver themselves.
Yeah, or the neighbors. Yep, really anything, right, So Jasmine was actually described and compared as a mini Carla Carla Homolka.
Yeah, wow, who.
Also willingly sacrificed we did this case is the Barbie and Ken killers. Carla also willingly sacrificed a younger sibling for her love. So the jury deliberated for four hours, only four hours, and convicted Jasmine of all accounts on the offenses charged.
Wow, rightfully?
So yeah, jack, okay, and shit, I didn't put this in here. This is brutal. If she had been like done this six months prior before she turned twelve, yeah, she wouldn't have really been I think she was only able to be charged with like parole then because she's so young, right, So her being twelve like made her actually be able to be charged for more.
Wow. Could you imagine though, if she just was on parole and that's it.
Well, just wait, dude, it's not good. So Jasmine's sentencing options were limited under the terms of the Youth Criminal Justice Act, taking into account the eighteen months Jasmine had already spent in jail, she was sentenced to four years in custody, which was a rehabilitation program to be followed by four and a half years of community supervision or probation, giving her the maximum sentence possible. So in twenty sixteen, Jasmine walked free.
Wow.
She was described as a poster child of rehabilitation and deemed unlikely to reoffend in her abbas a life. But the scariest part you're gonna freak is Jasmine's youth record will vanish if she commits no offenses for five years after her sentence, which would have been last year. So fully rehabilitated or not, Jasmine could become in a position of power, say a teacher, a nurse, run, a day care caregiver, and no one would know her dark history.
Holy fuck, Yeah, okay can I'm gonna go one at a time here first and foremost, I am super happy that she has been rehabilitated. That is incredible.
I mean, but do we know for sure? She's also so young, they're not, we don't know much.
Assuming she is, yes, the medical clinic says she is. I'm going to take that at face value and say she is. Yeah, So assuming she is, that is incredible. So happy for that. However, no criminal record.
Yeah, it did say that took like her DNA to have in the system or whatever.
Well I better hope they have her DNA fing But.
Yeah, like this just leaves her so like she could literally go and be a teacher.
Yeah, and you know she's changed her name.
Oh one hundred percent. She's very much it said, she's very much so living a discreet life in an undisclosed location in Canada.
Wow, she could quite literally be a neighbor of ours.
She could. Holy fuck, and no one knows. That is terrifying because I'm sorry, if you do something that bad, it needs to stay on there so that you don't have jobs that like with Carla, for example, she wasn't allowed to be around youth or whatever. Yeah, so I mean you can get rid of the record, I guess if that's the rules. But it's like she shouldn't be able to do certain things, uncertain jobs and be around.
Certain no kidding, no kidding, that's that is wild. No record, no record, clear clean nothing.
Yeah, like it didn't happen.
Holy fuck.
Yeah. Okay, So, to very briefly touch on Jeremy, the courts had taped a conversation of Jeremy bragging to an undercover officer of his crimes to incriminate himself in his own words. There was also the blog posts that he did met more people of authority hearing him brag, blood evidence and testimonials from his friends who he tried to recruit to help him with the murders. So he just heated.
No favors for himself in this case whatsoever. The defense was trying to build a case for second degree murder as opposed to first That was like the best I think they thought they could do secondary degree of manslaughter, saying Jeremy's extreme state of impairment that night could explain that his actions were impulsive. He was a man with zero self esteem who finally found someone to love him.
The jury deliberate for one day with a guilty verdict of first degree murder on all counts, the mandatory sentence being life in prison with no chance of parole for twenty five years.
Wow.
So I mean, honestly, there's and he was serving those at the same time, So technically he could get out at twenty five two and still live a life out of prison.
Do you think those two are still in contact?
No, because in the book I didn't even put it in here, but because I was just like, fuck Jeremy. I didn't like looking into this, but it did briefly say that he had they had separated or whatever because they kind of like went against each other a little bit, right, Yeah, and that Jeremy was basically with another young person who they were waiting for her to turn eighteen so that they could get married.
Oh while this was happening, or while he was in prison in jail. Okay, yeah, wow, fucking that. Oh that gross?
Oh well, both of them had, especially Jeremy had like some serious fans and shit fans. Yeah, like followers that were just like so pro them.
Wow.
Yeah, So that's the case.
That is disturbing beyond belief. The biggest thing for me, Oh, I can't believe she has no criminal record.
I knew though nothing really bother you.
That really fucking bothers me.
Yeah. I feel like too. She wasn't able to buy firearms or something. There was one other tiny thing, but it's just it's so minimal. It's so minimal because she shouldn't be able to just live her life like anyone else.
No.
I mean, grant you, I get that she was super young when this shit happened, but that is just pretty bad. Like that's not something that she's gonna be washed under the rug, Like that is brutal what she did.
Yeah, wholeheartedly, fucking monster. Yeah, but I am glad she's rehabilitated. I am glad for that.
Well, I'm honestly curious, how like, because neither of them ever really the book said showed any what's the word like remorse?
Okay, yeah, so.
I'm just curious if she's rehabilitated and stuff. Honestly, how could you live with yourself? No kidding, Like I don't know, I mean rehabilitated. Okay, you're in good headspace and stuff, but you literally killed your family and they're not here anymore, and like you, she wouldn't have anyone, Like, how would she? How would you go about living day to day? Like I feel like that would just be a struggle.
I sincerely hope that she hears her little brother's voice every night before she goes to bed. That's what I hope.
Yeah, Well, she can't be living a good life if that's the case, then because that would be very traumatizing.
This case was traumatizing. Thank you for putting us through that. Yeah, well done, though, what was the book that you read for this.
It's called Run No Way Devil Full Name. I had actually just bought it on it's my computer, gonna open up here on Kindle, gotcha.
Well, the we put the link in the last episode, right.
Yeah, and we'll put it in this one too, honestly, like it was, it was really good read, and there was even more things that I could have touched on. But it's like I probably honestly could have had this in three parts too. There was things I had to leave out and stuff, but so go read it because it was it was very interesting. Every bit of it was just interesting.
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