No one is safe from criminals. They strike when and where they please, whether it's at home or in the workplace. Today is a case that coined the term thrill kill, and it occurred when two young men targeted an innocent pizza delivery driver while he was working, all because he was an easy target. This is the Pizza Killers.
My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked Grim, a true crime podcasting.
The following podcast and material intended more mature audience listener discretion ad. We just recorded a pre show and we already kind of want to order pizza because of this episode, do we though? I mean not really, but just we were talking about pizza a little bit and then we're like, it's kind of tempting.
Pizza is a damn good food.
There is no bad time for pizza. I mean, I mean, if you really search technically, I'm sure you could find a bad time for pizza, Like if you're ordering delivery at someone's wake or something. Yeah, that's probably a bad time for pizza. But outside of the extreme, there is no bad time for pizza.
No, but maybe while you're listening to this episode, possibly, well that is.
Yet to be determined. Okay, but we'll find that out. But before we even find that out, we got some stuff to talk about.
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Don't know. We just chatted about a shit ton of stuff on our pre show.
We did. We talked about how our chickens are a shit show right now.
An absolute shit show.
We have one who is a little bit sick right now. We have the little chicks that we got a little while ago that are finally being introduced to the flock. They're not like in the flock yet, but they have like their home, like separate little run right now. And it all looks super redneck because when we first built a coop, we didn't know what we're doing, and then it's just like adding on more and more things.
These poor chickens, I feel like we just you know, they're just we're learning from them.
But thankfully we are building a new proper chicken coop with a new proper chicken run, like all this good stuff. Don't get me wrong, Like they have they have.
It good now, they do. I feel like we'd spend a lot of time and we are. I'm cleaning in there often and they do got it good.
Yeah, it's just like recycled materials, like using what we have and super redneck. There's nothing wrong with redneck. Trust me, we kind of ore red neck. But it's just you know, that whole vibe.
But the thing is, I don't think they care, No.
They don't. The chickens are doing good, and that's what's important.
Totally. Yeah, Okay, well, I am very intrigued about this one. You want to just dive right in here, But do you got other things you got a chit chat about.
I think we're good, But I am curious what about it has you so intrigued.
I'm terrified because I've always been I don't know a person that thinks certain jobs out there are like kind of dangerous and not even because you know, if you're like a police officer or something like, of course that job's dangerous, right, But then there's other jobs like a delivery person or I think I've said, like a realtor, or just like certain things where you put yourself in situations that could end up being harmful.
Yeah, yeah, you're right.
And so yeah, this is gonna this is gonna be hard for me.
Fair enough, fair enough, It's certainly there is risk to certain employment I guess, to certain avenues of careers, and that risk is different. For for example, if you look at like a welder, you're gonna have a risk of arc flash for burning yourself or dropping steel plates on your toes and squishing your fingers. However, if you're working in an office, you're more apt to have higher risk
for back problems sitting in a chair, carpal tunnel syndrome. Yeah, and like you say, when you're putting yourself out in the public, like a realtor, you're putting yourself at risk to the public for someone that you might be conducting business with that Hey, they don't have a background check or anything. You're just meeting some random person that, right there is a risk, and that is the very same risk that we are going to be going over today in this case.
Oh boy, okay, I already feel it, like antsy.
You're good, Yeah, you sure?
Yeah, okay, I think so.
Okay, Well, let's dive into the Pizza Killers also known as the baby Face Pizza Killers. I heard it mentioned as that online.
A couple times too interesting.
And you'll you'll understand why in a while. Okay, So the Pizza Murders began its tragic events actually long before the actual murders ever took place, and instead went back to a burglary at Adventure Sports, which is an outdoor store nestled in Franklin, A mere eleven days prior. Adventure Sports was a haven for hunting, fishing, and campingenthusiasts. Held stock of camping gear, hiking equipment, fishing poles, lures, baits, camouflage,
and of course, guns and ammunition. On April eighth, nineteen ninety seven, Adventure Sports was a place that proved to be a tantalizing target for Thomas Koskovic, who is eighteen years old, and his accomplice Michael Conklin, nineteen years old. Hence the baby face, because we have some young individuals who are our perpetry.
I was at first, I was like, Okay, well they're just really young. But then I'm like, well, maybe they're wearing masks or something that have like a baby face.
Something from the Halloween store.
Man, I don't know know that that's a.
Legitimate point that could could be. But that's unfortunately, well, I mean there was no fortunately or unfortunately, but it's just it's just not the.
Same the case, not the case.
Yeah. Now, Michael, who as I said, was nineteen, he was waiting in the vehicle to be the getaway for Thomas, well, he was inside. So while it was never really specified what exactly it was, Thomas exploited an alleged flaw in the store's alarm system and used it to his advantage. This allowed him much more time to not only break into the store, but ensure it didn't have like any sort of rush on how long he spent them there, which allowed him the opportunity to steal exactly what he wanted.
So while inside, Thomas seized three firearms, a twenty two caliber revolver, a forty five caliber semi automatic pistol, and another forty caliber semi automatic pistol. Along with it, he also ensured that he had the ammunition that he needed to go with them.
All.
While it's always concerning to hear when firearms are stolen, in this case, no one could have known that these pilfered weapons would soon become instruments of tragedy as two young men would sorry, as these two young men would use them to commit a cold blooded murder ste the community in Crimson.
Was this guy smarter than normal or like average, more average?
Not that I'm aware of now you can't even speak.
Just the fact that he could get through the alarm or whatever right or prolong it from going off seems No.
I don't know if there's anything specific that he I mean, intelligence benefits or I don't know how to point it out. I don't know if he's very smart enough. I mean, considering the outcome of this and what he did, I don't say no, I don't think he's very bright. But there was just something that he knew about the system that he took advantage of. How he knew it, What that was I could not find?
Okay.
Now, the initial idea though, for this was not to kill anyone with these firearms. The plan instead was to trade the stolen items for cocaine, then pedal that cocaine or a profit. This way, in their theory, they would make more money than if they were to just sell the stolen guns.
What the shit?
Okay, I'm assuming it might potentially be easier to sell.
Cocaine pane than the guns.
I'm not too sure they're logic there, but that's that was their plan. So does he sound very smart? Now?
No?
Sounds like a fucking idiot? Am I allowed to say that?
Yeah? Fair enough, I'm not disagreeing with you. So now. The plan, though, however, did take a turn when Thomas mentioned the subject of actually killing someone, a proposition that repulsed Michael at first, who immediately disliked the idea and the brutal intentions behind it. Thomas continued on, saying how they could kill a pizza delivery driver and how easy
it would be. Michael immediately began questioning him on this and his rationale behind killing someone and targeting a pizza delivery driver, to which Thomas responded, quote, they're easy targets. I just want to kill someone just for the thrill of it.
Good God, gosh, yeah, what a piece of shit, Okay, And are they actually easy targets?
Well, in the fact that it's like, yeah, come to my house. And then it's like, could just be random you know?
Yeah, I guess technically because I'm just thinking, like they're always outside of the door, but I mean you could quite easily be outside hiding or doing something. Gosh, that's terrible. And it's usually like young people and who are pizza delivery drivers? Right?
Yeah?
Oh I hate this.
Yeah, it's not cool.
That's so fucked.
Now. Fast forward to April nineteenth of nineteen ninety seven, Thomas concealed the stolen forty five caliber semi automatic pistol beneath his shirt, while Jason, another friend, concealed the twenty two caliber revolver. At this point, Michael had nothing to do with this anymore. He didn't want to be anywhere near this want to kill someone just for the front of it. He kind of like, yeah, I'm good.
Oh, say that's good.
Yeah, So another friend by the name of Jason was now in the circle if you will to do this. So, now armed with these pistols, they went around and they scoped out an area that would be perfect for pulling off this crime. And this was an abandoned house on Scott Road, so they previously scouted this area out picked it specifically for this. So before heading there, I mean, this was nineteen ninety seven, they needed to make a phone call. There's no real cell phones in nineteen ninety seven.
I'm sure there are, Like the beginning of cell phones is great, big like huge ones with the pullout antennas and stuff. There might be some of those, but they were certainly not a normal thing. So they needed a place to make a call in place and order for pizzas. Right. So what they did is they had actually gone somewhere found pizzerias in a phone book scribbled on a piece of paper, right, And they had gone to a dunkin
Donuts payphone. While doing this and using a loose chains ground from Thomas's girlfriend Kimberly Prestige, they called Tony's Pizza the top of that list. However, as someone on the other line answered to take their order. A familiar face was in a familiar voice was in its place. That voice was an acquaintance of one of the perpetrators by the name of Jeremy Giordano. He was quickly recognized and they hung up the phone immediately.
Oh okay, they didn't want someone they knew.
Well, and potentially that could be a way of tying them to the person as well.
Right right, So, yeah.
They didn't want someone they knew. They began dialing several other pizza places that were on this list, tempting to find, you know, their potential victim. However, every single place they contacted refused to deliver to the specified location. Clearly there some suspicion in the air with a vague address and lack of contact information given this was an abandoned house after all, so no returning phone number could be given.
The instructions upon delivery were to be delivered outside of the house, like a lot of that sort of thing, right okay, So all in all, it just wasn't a situation anyone really seemed to want to deal with or be involved in. So, with no options left going through their list, they circled back to the place they originally called Tony's Pizza. They dialed the number and the same
familiar voice picked up the phone. Now they did their best to not be recognized on the call and played it cool when asked any information regarding the delivery the delivery location. At this point, everyone turned them down for this very reason, and this time they didn't want to scare their last option for potential victim away. With that, they placed their order and managed to secure a pizza that would soon be on its way to the abandoned house at one nine to six Scott Roade.
Okay, okay, okay, I know. Well, I'm just yeah, okay. It's it's actually interesting to me though, that so many people turn them down, because I'm just find that I find that interesting, like almost surprising.
Well, I mean, if you think about nineteen ninety seven, it's a lot more apt for prank calls, Okay, So I mean you might be thinking, oh, there's just kids trying to get some free pizzas out of us, whatever the case. Or there's not a real address, or it's so vague, like it's not worth our time, whatever the case may be. It just was not worth it for these pizza places. They're like yeah, no, thanks, right, especially with like you know, some younger voices on the other end, right.
Well, and you almost wonder too if they got if any of them got some sort of gut feeling or something.
You know, I think they very well might have.
Yeah.
Yeah, because when these orders were actually even placed, there was some suspicion over at Tony's Pizza. Oh really there was the shop owner, Giorgio Galara was hesitant to actually send Jeremy, who is the delivery driver on the phone. He was hesitant to send him alone, so he decided he would actually accompany him to ensure everything went smooth and that there will be no issues after all, As they say, there is safety in numbers. Right.
Oh that's alarming, Oh my goodness. But okay, but I agree with that. I agree with that. They would be much harder if, you know, you had the young delivery boy and then the owner, it would be harder to get in trouble.
Yeah. Well, and to be fair, both these the owner and the delivery boy, they were both in their twenties. Okay, so they're both relatively young themselves.
Yeah, I believe.
Don't don't quote me on their ages here. I think I have him written down later on. I think Jeremy was twenty four and Georgio was twenty eight. Okay, I think that they're about that anyways, But they definitely had suspicions, and I'm sure other pizza shops did too, but they took it and they made the pizzas, and as the clock struck at ten forty five pm on April nineteenth, the two drove off and embarked in their delivery mission.
Warry yet hopeful, so they pulled up to the house where both Jason and Thomas were now standing and waiting outside. Georgia was on the passenger side of the vehicle and rolled down his window as they pulled up. He looked at the boys and he began talking to him, and he told them how much money they owed for the
two pizzas they had ordered. Jason turned and asked Thomas if he had the money to pay him, to which Thomas reached into his pocket as if he was reaching for his wallet, but instead though pulled the gun out of his waistband. Thomas pulled out the stole one forty five caliber pistol and started firing into the car. Jason quickly followed suit and revealed his twenty two caliber revolver and also began shooting into the car. Together, they unleashed
a barrage of bullets upon their unsuspecting victims. A total of seven shots tore through the quiet air that night. The car was now filled with bullet holes, and it rolled forward and came to a gentle stop on the wet, muddy grass on the side of the road. The driver, here we go. I got the ages. Jeremy aged twenty two, and his boss Giorgio, age twenty five, now laid motionless in the car, both dead.
Holy shit, huh wow. I was thinking, okay. I was like, okay, they're just going to stay in the car. I felt like that would be safer, you know, than having to get out to like go to somebody's house. Yeah, so I was feeling like this was going to go a different way for some reason.
What way did you think it is going to go? What was in your head? Where were you thinking this was gonna How do you think it was gonna play out?
Well? I guess when I visualized a delivery person getting killed, I just visualized them being at a doorstep or like being taken into someone's house or something, but not just in your vehicle.
Well, remember, though, this is an abandoned house, it's most likely boarded up, So when you call for a pizza delivery, you're probably being like, yeah, like what, we'll meet you out front at the side of the road or something. And I think that's one of the reasons why suspicions were drawn during these calls, because it's like, oh, this is an abandoned house, like it's boarded up. Like why some young kids are just calling for pizzas outside of an abandoned house. Yeah, we're not taking this.
Call, I guess because nowadays, though, with like skip or door dash or whatever they are, it's a lot more normal just to kind of do like contact lists or like you go to someone's and grab it or something. Right, it's more normal. But back then, I guess it definitely.
Yeah, that's a post COVID thing.
Yeah, but wow, brutal. That is so freaking sad because that's still like they's very young, Yeah they are, and it was all just because a pizza, like.
Because they're easy targets and it was a thrill kill, which we'll talk about that a little bit later. So anyways, Thomas and Jeremy now made their way towards the vehicle to ensure that their heartless task was now complete. Just scum, yeah they are. So when they managed to confirm both were dead, they dragged their victims from the vehicle and laid them on the ground. There on the wet ground, they both laid next to the two pizzas, and that is where authorities would find their bodies.
The fuck why would they take them out like that?
I don't know, jeez, I don't know. They did go through their pockets a bit. There was some con predicting reports I found where no money was stolen, but they did go through their pockets and later on a little bit of a spoiler alert, but later on a wallet was found in their possession, So there definitely was some stolen, but some might have been left behind, I guess regardless. So after the murder, the two adrenaline fueled killers. At this point sprinted away from the scene and headed towards
Thomas's vehicle. Once in the car, Thomas turned to Jason and said, in an excited tone, I can't believe we did this, to which Jason responded, I love you, man, and they shared a hug before jumping jumping into his vehicle and fleeing. That to me is so fucking disgusting.
That's just nasty.
It's so fucking like, what the shit?
They literally just took two innocent people's lives that are just trying to like do their job and you know, make a paycheck.
Yeah, I mean, I love you man. After doing that.
He's pumped about it. That's fuck.
I want to know something even worse. This is gonna make some people's blood fucking really boil. On the way to Thomas's house, they then made a quick pit stop out front of a church, where they got out of the car made a sign of the Cross before humping back into the car and proceeding home. Yeah.
Wow, these people are just winners. Egh.
What kind of wow, self righteous fucking piece of shit scum do you like? Who does that? Yeah, you're excited about murder. You fucking revel in it by being like, I love you man, Like this brought you fucking closer. And then you go to a fucking church and then you like praise the Lord's sort of situation.
And they knew this one guy too.
They did know the one which is so I mean, not.
That it makes it any better.
But god, yes, no, Thomas was a uh an acquaintance of Jeremy. They kind of knew each other a little bit. I don't think they were like friends really per se, but they knew each other. And Thomas actually had allegedly a lot of memories from Tony's Pizza growing up ordering pizza there with like his family and stuff.
Yeah, hm hmmmm hmm, okay, yeah, I mean, gosh, I hope that these people get what's coming to them, because that is it's just so sad. And especially he would know what he was taking away in the sense like he would know what or the family that guy one guy had, yeah, right.
And oh and even to make it worse though too, like Giorgio, he he used to work at Tony's Pizza and he actually saved up to buy the owner out for him to own the shop. So it was like it was like a big accomplishment. I think he only owned the shop for a year or something like that year or two really yeah, so like he was like this was a proud thing for him. It was like his shop like well.
And then he was obviously a super awesome employer too that he was like, Okay, this maybe is a bit sketch like, I'll just come with you and they will be fine.
Yeah.
Oh, you just broke my heart.
I'm sorry even more sorry brutal. Well, let's carry on then, Sorry, sorry for breaking your heart. Let's let's keep going with the story. So once they sped away from the church, and then they arrived at Thomas's home, Thomas then put the guns and both and some of their bloody clothes actually in a bag and placed it under a painted glass outside of his house. To them, they had got away with the perfect crime, and they were reveling in
it all. However, little did they know investigators would quickly and I mean very, very fucking quickly be on their tail. On Sunday, April twentieth, news of the previous night's murder was making its way through media and through word of mouth. There was whispers of the horror and disbelief going and wide. Christine Slater, a friend of Thomas's, picked up the phone
and dialed police. She informed them that just the day before the murders had occurred, her friend Thomas Koskovich, had mentioned to her that he wanted to kill a pizza's livery person.
Oh my god, yes, she.
Of course didn't take him seriously at that, you know, when she thought there was nothing more than just a conversation then, But now she believes that he may have been serious and followed through with his words.
Okay, well, good for her, because it's understandable that, I mean.
To not take someone seriously.
Yeah, I get it, you're like, what the heck, like what's wrong with you? Kind of thing. But then when she heard about it to actually contact the police right away, that that is good.
Yeah, And I mean, like honestly, like it's easy to say in hindsight, oh, she should have called someone when he said that initially, But on a daily basis, people are like, oh, fuck my life, Oh I want to kill myself. Oh my god, is this person says one more thing and then we will fucking kill him? Like that's just normal.
All are really dramatic at times, right, Yes.
Very dramatic at times, and it's just normal to hear that sort of shit in this day and age. So I cannot blame her for just thinking, oh yeah, sure, oh like maybe maybe his last fucking pizza was late and he's like, I want to fucking kill that pizza delivery guy.
Now, like everybody because honestly, in your mind you probably think, oh, man, like, is he need to go on to medication or something like is he okay? Yeah right, But you're not going to think that he's going to actually follow through on that.
So so after that call was made, a vigilant resident of Scott Road also stepped forward and called police the very same day. Good They described a suspicious vehicle that they had seen driving up and down the road the day prior. This vehicle and the description just so happened to match Thomas's car. Clearly, their perfect crime was not so perfect after all, but instead riddled with flaws and witnesses.
Awesome. I love observant people like that.
I agree.
So good.
Yeah. Now, the meticulous investigation continued and only uncovered more from there. One of the first places that they started their investigation was tracing the call that came in to
order the pizza from Tony's Pizza. They managed to trace it back to the very same payphone at Dunkin Donuts where the call was made, and from there they pulled surveillance footage and captured both Thomas and Jason looking through the phone book in their little list in making the calls, police had more than enough evidence at this point to move in foreign arrest, and on April twenty first, maybe forty eight hours later, that's exactly what happened. An arrest
was made. They also executed a search warrant on Thomas's home and found firearms, bloodstained clothes in a gym bag, and Giorgio Galara's wallet, who was one of the victims. The wallet that I mentioned was found, and.
They literally thought that they were just like done, and you know, we did a good job here.
Yeah. Again, do you think he's very smart? No, yeah, I don't think so.
I think that he is the opposite of that. Agreed a complete dumb ass. Agree that the opposite. I think it needs to be more harsh.
So okay, question. Sorry, I'm totally digressing on something that's not even related to this podcast, but I just have a question. Dumb ass smart ass? Don't they kind of mean the same thing.
Dumb mess and smart ass? No, I would say dumbass is worse.
I mean, they don't mean the same thing, but it's.
Like smart ass. I kind of think like it's someone's a bit cheeky. Well, yeah, I agree, but dumb ass. I wouldn't but they're.
Not opposites, like dumb and smarter opposites.
Oh okay, I see where you're going.
Smart ass and dumb ass should be opposites, but they're not.
They're not.
They almost mean the same thing.
Well, that's just like the English language is kind of fucked. Yeah, they're so many things, so many words and stuff that mean the same thing that it's.
Just I agree.
I agree.
Anyways, as that popped in his head, I digress. Let's get back for so, Thomas quickly confessed to the incident when when they got arrested, and while Jason did too, he claimed that he didn't actually shoot the victims. Now, he said he wanted to prove he quote was a friend of Thomas's and that he quote didn't want to kill anybody, so while firing, he opted to shoot at the dashboard inside the vehicle instead of the passengers.
I don't know if that makes him really any better.
Which forensics would later prove to be a lie, as it was proven that Jeremy his life was extinguished by a fatal bullet from Thomas's gun and Giorgio was killed from a single bullet from Jason's gun.
Oh my goodness, to lie about that. It's just like you're caught. At least have a little bit of decency. Just make yeah, I'm a piece of shit.
I agree. Now. Jason at the time was only seventeen years old when the murders took place, and as such, he was placed in the county's juvenile detention center after his arrest. While behind bars, you just like face pomped.
Why, well, sorry, I'm actually thinking well, first of all, seventeen is so young. But Thomas was kind of the main the planner, the organizer, and Jason Storry is the one that wanted to be his friend.
Yes, Now, I don't know if Thomas was like the organizer, the planner, it was certainly his idea okay.
Yeah, okay, but he was the one that had was chatting with that other dude that was like, you know, yes, he was the one that was part of the robbery.
Correct, Thomas is the one that went in the store, robbed everything, had the guns to begin with, the other friend, Michael kind of dipped and then Jason, who has kind of involved a little bit too, then kind of like stepped up and was the next to do the thing.
Yeah, it's to you bid. Michael didn't say anything, hey.
But yeah, I agree. Anyways, Jason was only seventeen. He was put in a juvenile detention center after his arrest, and while behind bars, Jason confided in others who were also incarcerated alongside him, and he allegedly said that he never thought he and Thomas would actually go through with their plans. But as to why he did it, he just said, quote wanted to see what it was like to kill somebody.
It also seems a little bit like a peer pressure thing too, in a way.
I think if I think when it occurred, because Jason turned to Thomas and asked him if he had money to pay for the pizzas, I think if Thomas pulled out money, then they would have bought pizzas and that would have been that. But Thomas pulled out a gun, so Jason did too.
Yeah, he was following him.
Was he was following him. But he was just as responsible.
And if you get he also had the curiosity.
He also had the curiosity. He also did it. He just needed someone to to jump off the bridge first, so he jumped after. Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah, that's all it was. He just needed someone to do it first so he could follow. So, following his admissions of a desire to indulge in the thrill of taking a life, the Sussex County Prosecutors coined the term thrill kill, which was then picked up by news organizations around the world. So, as far as I can tell, I mean, I didn't
dive too much into researching on this term. As far as I could tell, though, this term was birthed with this case.
Yes, thrill kill. Yeah, that's so disturbing, A term that should never never be.
Oh one hundred percent agree. Yeah. Now, From the bustling streets of New York City to the shores of Asia, the tales of the Pizza murders found its way all around the world. Dolores Blackburn presiding over the trials of Thomas because I just bout butchered his name. There, Koskovich and Jason Vreeland witnessed first hand the spectacle that ensued.
The usual proceedings of the courthouse transformed into a frenzied spectacle as media outlets clamored for a glintse at the cold blooded boys who pulled the trigger on the innocent pizza delivery men. For such a mundane and honestly, in my opinion, pathetic reason news trucks line the streets their satellite dishes because yes, this is still the nineties, poised to broadcast every single grim detail to an eager audience.
As the case unfolded in the courtroom, the term media circus was often used to describe what it was like, and rightfully so. Regardless though as the world looked on in a horrified fashion, the wheels of justice continued to turn. Thomas faced a trial that showcased a litany of damning evidence, and on April twenty third, nineteen ninety nine, the gavel fell. He was found guilty for the highness crimes of two
counts of murder and one count of robbery. On May seventh, nineteen ninety nine, just barely a couple weeks later, Thomas was dealt the death sentence, but the State Supreme Court intervened, overturning the sentence. In two thousand and one. A subsequent jury, unable to reach a unanimous verdict regarding the death penalty, instead delivered a sentence of life in prison in two thousand and two. Meanwhile, Jason Breeland faced his own recogning
before the eyes of the law. He was convicted on December twenty second, nineteen ninety nine, of purposeful or knowing murder of Galara, felony murder of Galara, aggravated mans salt slaughter, first degree robbery, second degree burglary, conspiracy, possession of a firearm for an unlawful purpose, and possession of a firearm without a permit. Jason's fate was sealed with a somber pronouncement of life in prison, a fate he received due to his status as a miner at the time of
his crimes. So he most likely they most likely would have sought the death penalty if it weren't for his.
Aide, because yeah, because he was seventeen or whatever, exactly.
Yeah, So yeah, they didn't seek that because of his age. But yeah, instead he received life in prison. On February twenty fifth, two thousand, now, Attorney Solido offered an interesting statement to the court regarding the sentencing that I want to touch on too. I use the word interesting very heavily on this. So that attorney said, quote, no disrespect to the victims, and I don't want to put everyone on eq footing, and I'm not trying to do that.
But as far as my client is concerned, through his own hand, he ended his own life that day at such a young age of seventeen. I'm sorry. Yes, you're disrespecting the victims. Yes, you're trying to put everyone on equal footing, and you are trying to do just that because your client ended his own life.
And another that's interesting, yes, Like yeah, like you said, that's how you use to describe it, Like what the actual shit, there's no comparison whatsoever.
Yeah, that's like saying when someone says I'm not racist, but I'm pretty sure you're about to say something racist.
Yes, yes, what you are? Yeah, or no offense, but yeah.
I'm okay, something offensive is about to come out.
I'm about to offend, but like no offense.
Yeah, if I say that, that means I am not implicated. Now I'm just gonna say the thing and it should be okay. No.
Yeah, because the people that the victims, they they were literally just doing their job. They had no idea what was about to happen to them. Yeah, they had no choice in that matter whatsoever, and they would never have chosen that. And this guy fucking chose to do that. And now he has to face the consequences of his fucking actions exactly.
And no, he didn't end his own life because he's still fucking living. Guess what, those two drivers in the car, they're fucking dead because of him. He ended someone else's life.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
This attorney piece of shit in my opinion.
I know sometimes I've always I mean, we've talked about that before, the attorneys, like I know you, you know, everyone's what's the saying, everyone is, what's the saying, Like you're allowed to be represented, okay, or you have you have the right to be Yeah, but gosh, have to represent someone that's so shitty. I just I feel like it'd be very hard to do, yeah, very hard, like a murderer to represent them. I know, I feel like I'd be like, yeah, to send them to jail.
Like, in all honesty, I can make that sense, like I could off the cuff fucking make that sentence way better and way more respectful. Here, my client did heinous things that day. My client took the life of someone else.
Are they remorseful? Yes, I guarantee it. If they could take those actions back, I know they would, and from here on out they will be living every moment paying that retribution back because now you're dedicating me Maybe you should be, Maybe I should, I should because now you're putting it in terms that, yes, they did something wrong, they're sorry, and they're gonna be living every day thinking about that and paying towards that. I'm sorry this this attorney.
Just pissed you offly really.
Pissed me off.
Yeah.
Anyways, anyways, that asshole aside. Today, both Jason Freeland and Thomas Kaskovic find themselves behind bars within the confines of New Jersey's State Prison in Trenton. Their freedom has been stripped away, their futures filled with incarceration. They both, however, are eligible for parole.
Well, yeah, that's what I was waiting for.
Jason will be eligible on October eighteenth, twenty forty four, and Thomas will have his turn October twentieth, twenty seventy two.
Really, yes, how that's so long, Like that's like those are actually like good sentences then, yeah, because I thought that you were going to be like right around now or next year or something. Nope, Okay, they do.
Have parole potential parole, but they're definitely good sentences because I believe I mean they were sentenced in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, so it's like forty two thousand sorry, yeah, wow, yes, two thousand and one and two thousand. So yeah, it's like forty and like forty four years and seventy one years or something like that.
Huh Okay, that's that's good.
Yeah. So that is a case of the pizza killers, the pizza murders, the baby face pizza killers, however you want to put it.
That is that hate the baby face pizza killers. That name sucks.
It does, but I mean it's fitting because of their age though.
I guess. Yeah.
And if you look at photos of them, they do they just look like kids. Man, it's ridiculous. I don't know why, but lately I'm on this like string of young people yeah and crimes.
Because it's just so interesting to me, Like did they do they realize the consequences? Because it that just seems like such a ridiculous, fed up reason because I wanted to see what it was like. Like that doesn't make any sense.
I think they are one hundred percent aware of the consequences. I just think that they're naive enough to think they're going to get away with it. I literally think that and this whole like they thought they were getting away
with the perfect crime. That's not anything I read. That's my opinion put in this case because I do think that they were thinking they were getting away with it scot free and it was just an experience they did together and brought them closer, and they're going to go live on their lives just with this secret.
Of killing people. Yeah, how could you just go on with your life?
Clearly that's what they were about to do. They embraced each other, said I love you man, and went and did like the father Son Holy Spirit Cross outside of church.
Yeah that I mean they were just probably like not like high, but high on life from what they just dadling.
Yeah.
Ugh, that is just so disturbing.
Yeah, I wonder and I'm kind of curious if things after this happened, if anything changed in regards to delivery people, you know, and what they.
Their protocols for safety and stuff.
I don't think so, because I mean you could literally just call a person to your door now, like right now, a pizza delivery driver will drive up to your door.
Can This just made me think to like uber drivers and stuff, right because you're always taught like, don't get into strangers cars, and now you literally just do.
Use a fucking app Well your parents do Your parents would tell you, yeah, don't talk to people on the internet, don't get in a stranger's car. Yeah, we married the two. Now we contact a stranger on the internet and get in their car.
Oh boy, yeah, yeah man, I'm one of the ox will saying I don't really feel like pizza. I'd rather feel like, don't don't a donut because the duncan dot yes, fair enough.
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This was a brutal one. Yeah, I'm going to be on my mind for a while.
It was an interesting one, I think. Yeah, anyone out there in the service industry where you're dealing with the public like this, going to someone's house, meeting individuals somewhere, relators, pizza delivery drivers, photographers, whatever the case be, stay safe at the very least, make sure you know someone knows where you are.
Yeah. I think that's a big one for sure. Yeah, okay, well until next week. Until next week, stay wicked.