The Loneliest Death

Everyone has a fear, a fear of falling from heights, the chilling fear of spiders, creepy clowns, or the unknown dark, and even elevators. Man made machines like these are often subjects of our imagination's worst nightmare, and in twenty fifteen, one woman in China was thrown into that nightmare where she was trapped in an elevator and the only thing is no one was coming to save her, and she was left alone, waiting and dying.

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Tell us the story. Indulgous.

Oh, it's just disgusting. Like my stomach actually hurt most to day. But I don't know if that was in my head or the mold was actually grown in there.

I'm growing in there, all right.

But basically, I have to take this like it was a cheese stick thing. Take it from the fridge, put in my lunch, open that cheese, said cheese stick. Take a bite. It tastes like absolute shit. But I was like, oh, maybe my mouth just tastes funny, Like what the fuck eat some crackers? Go to take another bite? Holy fuck, mold stick, this mold the whole thing was like green. You didn't even I was like, okay, well, I'm on

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You're ready to get on with this case?

I'm still ready?

Okay, Well, fore warning, this is fucking crazy. Yeah, that's all I really got to say. It's it's a rather short episode. There's not a whole lot of information to go on with this one, but it's it's a wild ride.

So I am very intrigued because it seems it's like a case that I can't comprehend. So I do need to learn a little bit more about this.

Yeah, it's it's got that wow factor. Let's put it that way.

M hmm, like somebody fucked up. Wow.

Uh yeah, let's put that way up. That's a really good way of putting it. Okay, So here it goes.

You ready, I'm ready.

You'd had to finish taking your sip. Sorry, bad timing. Okay, Well, our story takes place in a city called Xian. I think I said that right, No ci ci Cian China. I literally researched how to say it, like for half fucking minutes.

That's literally every episode.

I think it's how you say it. Okay, that's so x I a Nann and Sheanne has a rich history and culture that dives deep into like literally our history, like way fucking back. And it's home to incredible tourism with of course delicious food, and it's renowned for its terra Cotta Army. Now, the terrrat car Cotta Army is a collection of terracotta sculptures depicting an army for the

Oh that's really cool.

There are eight thousand of these life size terracotta fucking statues.

Okay, well, isn't terra cotta the it's clay. Yeah, but it's like very fragile.

Yeah.

Yeah, like I've I don't know how I'm the pots that I've had, I've broken that was our terracotta, right.

Yeah, like those like red and rounds, this terracotta.

That's really cool though, to like visualize that.

Yeah. So there's eight thousand of these terra cotta soldiers life size, and each one has an estimated value of four point five million dollars US.

So can you see them, like are they visible like or are they like.

I don't know what they have for the tourism aspect of it, but you can go on Google and see a picture of all of them.

Okay, I was just curious to you visit them, right, I'm sure there's.

Some in the museum, but I'm pretty sure most of them are like stowed away and you can probably visit the site where they were excavated.

That's fair.

Yeah, But anyways, just want to get into that a little bit because it was really cool. But hian is a bustling city with a population of around eight point five million people and around six point nine million million people in twenty sixteen when our story takes place.

Good lord, I can't imagine living in a city that large.

It's massive.

We don't even have one hundred thousand people in our city, and sometimes I'm like, why are there so many people everywhere?

People are fucking annoying, let's put that way. So being in Chianne, being that it's a busy city with an enormous amount of people, it's reasonable to expect that to keep up with demands of such thing as like maybe maintenance, companies had to look for contractors to keep tabs on their facilities so they can focus on other aspects of their business. Now, one business that took advance of this

So she lived alone.

Yep, she lived alone, just kind of chilled by herself sort of thing. Now, Wu's family would also tell a bit of small similar details, saying that she liked to keep to herself and also had a history of mental illness, though that history of mental illness wasn't disclosed on exactly what that means, but something like that would, I'm sure would be even more difficult to deal with when surrounded by millions of people in a bustling city like that.

I actually just want to touch on that because I've been like to Vancouver quite often and like when you're on the skytrain and stuff, you're literally like, I mean, this is kind of pretty covid. I guess it might be back to this, but you're like shoulder to shoulder, which is so many people, but like you're just it's like the feeling of just being lonely, Like no one says anything, no one even tries to look at you, like they avoid eye contact, like someone's living in big cities.

Yeah, and Vancouver is a small city compared to someplace it is. Yeah, so yeah, it's you're completely disconnected. You're to yourself, and yeah, you're surrounded by people, but you're completely.

Alone, like at least here. I mean, gosh, every daily you go by, like you're probably smiling at a stranger, right, there's at least like some sort of contact per se.

Yeah, yeah, that's true. Someone holds a door open for you, or there's small talk at the cashier register at the grocery store, things like that, right.

Which sometimes can be like so annoying, But then I mean comparatively, maybe it's not.

Yeah, And I mean we bitch about it too lots, you know, or you run into someone from you know high school that you have to have that small talk conversation with or whatever, or maybe a family member or whatever that you haven't seen in years, and you're like, I got to get on my way, but I got to talk to this person. Oh it's annoying. But I mean those that makes us not feel quite so alone, whether we realize it or not.

Absolutely, So, yeah, I know there's always a moment in my head is like how can I get out of this situation? But then usually I can't, and then it's like enjoyable. So I don't know, that's just me being me.

So what you're saying is, bitch, leave me alone. Well, anyways, we're going back to the date. On January thirtieth, twenty sixteen. Now, Wu found herself leaving her apartment to venture off into the busy city. As she reached the elevator, as she always did, she pressed her button and she waited. The elevator doors closed behind her, but Wu wouldn't make it

Oh, I just hate that.

And luckily, of course, the maintenance department were quickly notified as soon as malfunction was discovered and they came to the scene for the repairs. So upon the arrival the repair men got there and Wu must I mean, I'm not going to say I know how long she was in there for. I can't find a report on that, but Wu mustn't have been waiting very long. I'm going to assume maybe like somewhere like under an hour. But anyways, the two men got to the scene, but they were

So your mind is just solely somewhere else.

Yep, you're just like, I just want to get home. I just want to get off the job.

We've all been there, Oh totally.

We're watching the clock, you know, it's like, you know, it's four point thirty. I get off at five o'clock. That last half hours ticking by because you just just want to go, and you end up like darting for the door like three minutes early, but your your bag is packed like five minutes early, and you're already dumping out the remainder of your coffee cup, you know, ten minutes early and washing out your cup.

You're ready to roll, you know.

So that's kind of the situation here. Their maintenance business was closing for the holidays, and that's exactly what was going on, and the repair men decided to hold off on fixing this elevator until they got back from their vacation. Oh boy, so of course we know WU is inside and the two men didn't know this. So what they did is they shouted into the elevator to see if they could hear if anyone was inside. They didn't hear any reply.

Why not?

Don't know.

Was it like soundproof? Don't know, because that's like another thing that I'm just curious, like, wouldn't you be like yelling and like, I mean, you think someone would hear you, even like someone living in the rest.

Yeah, and that's it's hard to say why no one heard Wu. It's hard to say if these men actually did call out to her, but they claimed they called out and tried to see if anyone was in the elevator.

My brain is so peer I never even went there. They could have just been shipped their jobs and not even actually checked. And then just later when it's found out that shit went down, then they're like, oh, we joked. It's so easy to say, not saying that they didn't, not saying that they didn't.

So they the claim is that they shouted to see if there was anyone inside, and they did not hear a reply. So the two men simply disabled the elevator so no one could use it and then left with of course Wu still trapped inside and this is one hundred and ten percent against any sort of workplace protocol for this situation. The men, if leaving the elevator like this, would have known that they are supposed to manually open the elevator to ensure it was empty before leaving it unattended.

Like, it's so good, and that was like a rule at the time, right, not something that came to be after correct. Okay, that's so good because I just feel like at this point, I was like, I'm never going in another elevator. But no, that that's.

What they're supposed to do. If they're leaving it unattended like that and disabling it or whatever, they need to ensure there is no one inside. I mean, it's it's pretty basic.

Yeah, no, that makes sense.

Really, But regardless they chose not to do this. These two men made a distinctive choice to walk away without checking the inside.

Oh man, that's cringey.

Okay, So they walked away and alone inside, Wu must have heard the men cry out for her. If they did, she must have heard them, and she must have cried out for help. Even banging on the doors to get their attention, but somehow it went unanswered. Now, I guarantee you she thought they must be coming back. They will go off, they'll need to do what they do, get tools or whatever, and they'll back any minute. And so Wu inevitably waited and waited. Hours passed, and eventually it

Oh, that is just scut wrenching.

And this might be due to the fact that this elevator was closed, so they were using a different elevator in a different location, so people may have been avoiding this area.

But so it must not have been next to like any apartment apartments or anything.

I'm unclear on that.

Unfortunately, Holy heck, I just like I can't I literally can't imagine someone not hearing her. I know, I think that people probably would have had to at some point heard something funny. But then, like, who's going to be like, oh, there's someone stuck in the elevator. You just like think it was something else.

Right, Yeah, I mean you're in a city of millions of people. Yeah, you hear some banging on the walls. Oh, noisy neighbors again.

You hear some screening noises all the time.

Some kid out in the streets screaming away. Someone needs to shut up their kid. Like, you never know, right, someone may have heard and just didn't realize it.

Oh boy.

So Now, regarding the dehydration, for most people, approximately ten days is the average time one can last before succumbing and dying. In rare instances, the process can take as long as several weeks.

Oh gosh.

In Wu's case, she would eventually pass away while trapped inside the elevator, but not from dehydration. It would be from starvation. Now, people can expect to last a lot longer before they starve, as long as forty three to seventy days before we pass away from starvation, which is incredible.

I didn't realize it was that long. Like I was pretty much like starving because I didn't eat for like five hours today. So that really makes me feel like, Wow.

Well, I believe it was average body mass. You can your body can consume up to eighteen percent of your body mask before you start to fail and die from it. And I believe if you're above that body mass, the average it's around twenty percent.

Wow.

Okay, Now how long Wu actually lasted is unknown, but the repair men returned to open the elevator door a month later. I've read different reports anywhere between twenty seven days to thirty days later before they opened the door.

Wow.

When they did open the door, they found Wu lying on the elevator floor, lifeless. It was also noted that one of her hands were placed up against the elevator door above where she laid were multiple marks, dents, and scratches in the door where she tried to free herself, and her bare hands were beaten and mangled from trying to escape.

That's too much lot, that is like whoa, my heart, Oh, I just can't even imagine, especially if this poor woman had like mental health issues and stuff. I mean, anyone would have mental health issues in that kind of situation. Oh yeah, oh that is just that has I don't know. I mean, there's pretty brutal ways to die, but that's.

Bad, that's heartbreaking, and this is why it's This case is known as the loneliest death, just isolated screaming, no one can hear you. But just like you had already mentioned, you're in a city surrounded by millions of people, but you are nothing but alone. And that's exactly what she was.

Because I honestly think in your mind you would just be like, how on earth could anyone how I'm not like, I just don't even think you accept it. You wouldn't accept that you were dying in there. There's no way, there's no way. I'd be like, no, someone's coming, Like someone's coming, someone's coming, and they just.

Never come until a month later. I'm a month oh yeah, after their celebration.

Yeah, I was like, how long were they celebrating for? They'd probably just like ended up getting busy with other jobs and forgetting well.

Yeah, it could have been busy from other jobs, could have been with vacations on top of it, and they didn't have the time to get back. Like, who knows what the whole compilation of issues were, but it was a matter of the holidays mixed with whatever the fuck else for.

A month went through their brain when they opened that door.

Yeah, I can't imagine. I'd feel so fucking guilty if that were me.

Oh yeah, Like I wow, I don't even know if like to just like carry on after you would just never your day would never ever be the same. I don't know.

Now. Wu's family had reported her missing to the authorities, and they had checked up on her apartments but never saw any sign of her, and her missing was assumed it was due to her mental illness, and they they thought she might have run away or she may have been a recluse somewhere, and they wouldn't They couldn't locate her, and they were just in hopes that she would eventually turn up safe. I mean, how do you find a missing person in a city of millions?

Right again, I mean, they probably didn't even consider the elevator that was broken down.

Nope, knocking on their daughter's door. With the broken down elevator, they would have had to have gone to the elevator shaft realize that all this one's broken and had to have gone to the other one to get up to her apartment to.

Look for Oh wow, yep, yep.

So now, needless to say, like her family was fucking outrage. That's clear.

I don't blame them.

And they weren't alone. There was public outcry over the neglect from the maintenance department and how they could have overlooked someone being trapped in the fucking elevator, especially since it wasn't the first case of neglect.

Of someone stuck in an elevator, or just neglect.

Just neglect. There was a protest set up outside the apartment against the administrators of the complex and the maintenance company. Signs were being held up in protest. People were rallying and cried out in a plea for you know, why aren't we being treated like fucking human beings? Why did she have to die after not being checked on for a month when she should have been checked on in the first place. Shouldn't have even been hours, let alone

Oh my gosh, that just gave me goose bumps, a shadow across my heart. Yeah wow.

Another resident of the apartment complex reported that the building management service was poor and routinely ignored residence complaints about frequent broken elevators and other matters. So it wasn't abnormal to have broken elevators that just didn't fucking work or weren't working properly and for them to just ignore it.

And so it's freaking lucky maybe that this had not already happened to something one.

Hundred percent and it was only a matter of time of something like this that was going to happen, because unfortunately in the first case, like I don't even know where's going with that sentence, but like something was going to happen.

It's very disturbing.

Yeah, so I don't know, it's it's brutal. I'm surprised didn't happen sooner, but it did happen, and it was only a matter of time that was going to happen. Now in there's another area in China called chez shen Zen, there we go. And on May fifteen teenth of twenty thirteen, a woman was riding an elevator. Another elevator incident. And this is this is prior to Yes, this is a

There has ever been a reason to take them on, the fuck of stairs? You take the stairs? This is unbelievable.

Well, speaking of stairs.

Oh, are they not safe either?

On July twenty seventh of twenty fifteen, in a mall in China, at ten oh one am, two mall employees rode an escalator and when they reached the top and stepped off, they found that the safety plate at the top landing was loose and they almost fell through into the escalator gears and cogs below. Now, they quickly notified maintenance and they stood waiting at the top for them to arrive. And then nine minutes later, at ten ten am, a woman holding her three year old son made their

Holy hack.

So this is not the first incident of neglect of maintenance and a severe incident occurring.

Those are some brutal gas.

And there's more out there like that. I couldn't keep researching them. I was like, I gotta stop this.

Well, that is just traumatic. There's just like no way that you Oh man. I was already afraid of escalators. I like, take my sweet ass time on them because I'm like, this shit doesn't seem right, like there should just be stairs here.

I mean, you're not wrong.

And uh wow, okay, yeah, so it's kind of fucked up.

Yeah, And like I said, there are a whole whopping load of cases like this out there. I don't suggest you guys go out there and research these ones because these ones, it's most of them. They have video evidence of these ones, and it's scary.

And there's just something on my mind though, it's like this escalator is fucked up, but we're gonna warn people at the very top that it's fucked up. Yes, Like does that make any any sense? No, it doesn't because at that point, what are you supposed to do? Run the fuck down the escalator? Like, yeah, I don't get that.

That's that's one of the arguments you can see on like the YouTube comment section is like, why the fuck did those two workers just stand there?

I mean, at least they were doing they were doing something. They didn't just walk off.

They did something. Yes, they notified maintenance, and they were at least standing there in attendance, but they're at the wrong end. Their attendance didn't do anything because they didn't speak up.

Oh just to think too that this mom like pushed their kid at Oh, that's that's a lot.

Yeah. Now, as for the maintenance in charge of the elevator that killed Wu, the company and the maintenance firm in charge of the faulty elevator were detained by police, and the report stated this, The local police are investigating when and why she entered the elevator and why. The property management and residents all stated they were unaware. What do you mean, Sorry, they're looking into when she got in the elevator. And why no one hurt her?

Oh okay, I thought you meant like why she was getting in the elevator and leaving, so she was leaving her apartment. Okay, I get it. I get it.

And that's that's about it. That's kind of where this case drops off.

Okay, Well, was there like serious lawsuits and shit?

Well, all my research has unfortunately come up dry with what happened after this. I have read some hearsay that they were being charged, but I can't find out with what or whether it went through or if it was a fine or jail time or anything.

Yeah, because that is some serious neglect it is.

However, if it's anything like here in Canada, they will undoubtedly or would have undoubtedly be held criminally negligent. Now, we have a bill in Canada that speaks directly to the workplace, and considering this is couldtech be considered a workplace incident? It very well could be applicable in Canada. We have something called the Westre Bill or Bill C forty five. It's a federal legislation that amends the Canadian Criminal Code and it became law in March thirty first

Yeah, that's fair, it is.

This is rather progressive as far as workplace incidents worldwide. Unfortunately, if I'm going to be brutally honest in my my opinion, I have a feeling the company simply got a slap, got slapped with a small fine and that's about it. Which that's what.

I think is unreally awful. And I would hope, though, of anything that they learned from this, or that there was some sort of something that came out of this that to prevent it from ever happening again. It needs to have I.

Don't know if really anything is being done though. I mean, you can do legislation, you can do protocols.

But I mean they already had it. Yeah, they already had it to look in there and they didn't.

Exactly people scret around it. They cut corners.

Yeah, when you're yeah, when you get comfortable and you're doing a job for too long, like it does happen.

Yeah, And this is this is something actually I know a little bit of because this is my day job. I'm a health and safety coordinator, and I see all the time people cutting corners just because it saves a little bit of time or that whole end of the day attitude like it's almost five o'clock, almost going to go home. Yeah, people drop their guard and whether it's your own life for someone else's, it's going to catch up eventually.

Well, And honestly, I do think it's just like this day and age though, and everybody has just so much on their mind at every time. Oh yeah, Like people are just like overworked. They just have like too many family responsibilities. Like I don't know, I just feel like there's just always so many things going on inside your brain that it gets just easy to sometimes like sometimes even like driving, like you're driving, like I'm sure I'm paying attention and stuff, but like you get to your

It is. And like you say, there's a lot of things in your mind. However, there's there's no excuse at the same time, just like if you drink and drive, or if you're on your cell phone you drive and you get in an accident and you kill someone, it's your fault. I'm sorry, it's your faul.

Yeah. I see a lot of people nowadays text or like on their phones while they're driving, like constantly. It's a constant thing. It's almost like normal, like, which is so bad because holy heck, things can happen on the road in an instant.

Yep, and people just don't think, well it's not gonna happen to me, or it's just a second, it doesn't matter. Oh I'm pretty sure there's no one in there. Yeah, well look what happened. There was someone in there and you literally killed them in thirty days.

I just hate how like just her struggle of trying to get out of there. Oh, and how you could see it on her body and stuff.

That is just it's got horrifying, horrifying, Yes, absolutely horrible.

Yeah.

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Hey, there's been heavier ones, I feel there is, but.

I don't know. The ones that really get me are when there's there's people who just don't do their due diligence, when people just walk away from it, you know, whether it's a witness, whether it's the police, or whether it's fucking elevator maintenance.

When it could very easily have not been in that fate.

Yeah, when it's preventable, that's when that always gets me so bad. Yeah, I not that I understand, but I realize there's people out there who are just going to do absolutely horrendous things because that's who they are, that's in their system. Generally, we can't change that that's not necessarily preventable. But if a civilian or someone who doesn't have that in their system just makes the wrong decision, that fucking hurts.

Yeah, because it was so close to me, but this was just a very much so unnecessary death.

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