On a chilling evening in December nineteen eighty nine, a shadow loomed over Montreal's Nicole's Polytechnique. A sinister figure unleashed a horrifying act of violence, specifically targeting female students. The echoes of that night still resonate as a somber reminder of the darkness that can descend upon us the most unsuspecting.
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Tis the season? It's officially December.
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Well, I believe off the top of my head, I believe it said something like, uh, it's the season for true crime documentaries or Christmas movies. Either way we're slaying or we're slaying like Santa's.
Yeah it was funny, but I was just like, who Santa?
Yeah, Santa looks a little more bid in that post. Married so you're doing today's episode.
It's a it's a bit of a doozy, I'm not gonna lie, but a Canadian one, right, it is. And it's been on my list for some time and we or I very strategically chose today to present it. Does it and you'll know why soon enough.
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Date, gotcha, because we're all trying to do like a bunch of Christmas stuff lately.
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Tis the season for apparently a Canadian massacre? If?
Yeah, so today we're going to be chatting about the Ecole, which is school in French poly technique massacre.
What does polytechnique mean?
So I don't know if that's also French, but basically it's an engineering school. Okay, yeah, so over in Montreal, gotcha. Yeah, So we're gonna be chatting about this, and you know, it's I just want to say, I guess a little warning is it is a school shooting, which is very hard to talk about, and it's it's an issue that still is an issue today. So just to kind of trigger warning there that we will be talking about that, which it sucks that these kind of things happen big time.
M hmm, definitely does.
But yeah, so if that's if that's going to be triggering to you, then then we totally understand if you skipped this.
Episode fair enough, Well, thank you for the heads up.
Yeah, okay, so here we go. So Gamille Garby, Oh, I have one more thing to say. This is Quebec. I'm off French, so my pronunciation might be a little off, but you know what, We're just here doing our best, okay. So. Gamille Garby was born on October twenty sixth, nineteen sixty four, in Montreal, Quebec, to Rashad LEAs Garbi and Monique lepine So. Rashad was an Algerian immigrant who worked as a mutual
fund salesman. Monique was a former Catholic nun but had turned to nursing to support herself when she had left the convent. So after that she met and married Washad, who was a nonpracticing Muslim, and raised her children or their children as Catholics. But she always said that Camille had been born an atheist, which is a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods, and there was nothing she could do to change that. Gamille agreed, but a lack of faith was only one
of the many things that he lacked growing up. Because of his father's job, the family they did move around a lot, but some of the places like Costa Rica and Puerto Rica, I feel like, are pretty cool places to live. I wouldn't mind living there.
They're definitely warmer than somewhere like Quebec.
Yeah, So they lived there places like that for a few years before they moved back to Montreal in nineteen sixty eight, just before the stock market crashed and the family unfortunately suffered a great loss. Things had already been difficult for them, maybe not necessarily financially, but within the home. The father was a strict disciplinarian, and he often punished both Monique and their children, So it was Camille and Naudia,
which was Gamille's sister. With everything that came with suddenly losing all their money, he seemed like he became even worse. I mean probably the stress of it, right, probably, which is no excuse. Though he'd always treated Monique like she was his servant, but now she had to act like his secretary as well. He'd have her typing out all of his documents, and he watched as she did this over her shoulder, and anytime she would make any sort of mistake like a typing air, he hit her.
Jesus, yeah, wow.
No kidding, Like, could you imagine that would make me make way more mistake?
No kidding.
I can't handle when I'm being watched while I'm working, as you know, yeah, I'd probably just say you back. So when the children were crying for her, he'd make her keep working and tell his family that she would only be spoiling the children if she paid them too much attention. So basically just like just don't even think about their needs kind of thing, which is really disturbing.
Act that is, this was especially true if Money tried to show any love and affection to a meal, though, because the father believed that that was the worst thing that Moneique could do for their son, and he got violent ever he saw it happening. Basically like, don't show love and affection, especially to a boy. I guess, right, what the fuck?
Why?
I don't know, Oh, I don't know. Finally, in nineteen seventy, when Rashad ended up hitting a meal in the face so hard that it left a bruise that lasted more than a week. Monique pulled the plug. She packed up the children and herself up and filed for a legal separation.
Good for her, that's not an easy thing to oh, so good on her for having the strength to do that.
No, and I feel like, I mean, it's never an easy thing to do, but I feel like back then it might have even been harder.
Oh, I think so too, because the view on everyone else, like, you know, it's like you don't leave a relationship, like if you do, you're the problem, Like all these fucked up things that have gone through like several decades of like marital I don't know the words, but like marital point of view that anyone had in different generations.
Well, and then she also had a religious background, which adds a whole other level.
It certainly does a lot of people in the religious world if they do leave a relationship like that, they'll get ostracized not only other family members, but like members of their commune in the church.
Yeah, she was like her. The family would turn their back, could turn their back. I think they did. Actually, I feel like I read something about that completely turned her their back on her.
I wouldn't be surprised. Seemed like that was way too common.
Yeah, that makes my heart hurt quite a bit. Actually, Okay, where were we here? And I should say too, like we are chatting a little bit more about a problem person in this episode, but sometimes that just happens, right, Yeah, Okay. So she was left with the house which Rashad was supposed to be making the mortgage payments on, and also had full custody of the children. She had full custody
of the children. Rashad had weekly supervised visitation rights, but they only lasted a few weeks after the legal separation became final. He I think he went about not even really caring to see them. He also stopped paying the mortgage and only made child support payments twice before he cut all contact with his family. Gamille never heard from or spoke to his father again, so basically he just was done with them.
I mean that might have been a little bit of a silver lining if I'm being honest.
Well, yeah, if he was a complete dang.
Yeah, if he's as abusive and controlling as he sounds, they might just well have been better off without someone like that in their life.
Well, yeah, they couldn't even be like alone with him. So what does that say.
That's that's brutal, the scary as fuck.
Yeah, and that's your dad. That's someone that you're supposed to look up to and think is this powerful man and like I want to be like my dad kind of thing, right, And it's just like, oh my gosh.
And it's so unfortunate that so many people these days don't have like a paternal or maternal figure in their life they can look up to.
Yeah. So this was also pretty hard for Monique because suddenly she found herself without a home, she had no money coming in and two children to look after. She went back to nursing, and when the opportunity came up for her to take some courses and advance her career, she jumped on it, which is pretty cool.
Oh yeah, but that also.
Left things a bit tricky at home. She had to work during the day and then do the courses at night. Right. Yeah, So at the time, Gamille was only about nine years old. Monique sent both Gamille and Naudia to live with other families during the week and had them come home on the weekend, worried about what was going on in her children's lives when she wasn't there. She also contacted a psychiatrist to do an evaluation on them to see if
they needed any extra support. Gamille had always been a quiet, somewhat withdrawn child, but Naudia was loud, outspoken, and she didn't like people having authority over her. The psychiatgiy psychiatrists said that Gamille was fine and recommended therapy for Naudia, though, so that she would kind of start listening to make Monique a little bit more.
Okay, makes sense, Yeah.
But perhaps if that psychiatrist had been able to see into the future, they would have known just how off the mark they'd been with emil uh In nineteen seventy six, Monique was finally done with her studies. She became the director of nursing at Montreal Hospital, which is pretty cool, kidding, and was able to buy a nice, middle class home for her and her children to live in. But some
of the damage was already done. Gamille academically did well in school, but he had a challenge with making friends. He didn't have any friends. Instead, he seemed to struggle with getting on with others, and the other students bullied him.
They called him an Arab because of his name, which may have been one reason why he went about changing his name when he was fourteen years old, or it may have also been because he had this hatred towards his father and he didn't want to be associated with him anymore.
Okay, interesting.
So it was after that that Gamille Garby became Mark Lapine, a name that would become part of a Canadian history in the worst of ways, his dark history.
His mom's maiden.
Name, right, Yeah, so he wanted to be more associated with her. Fair enough, So yeah, I'm going to be from now on referring to him as Mark. But before we get to that, Mark changing his name didn't help him get along better with the other children at school. When he hit puberty, it hit hard and Mark unfortunately had to deal with a face full of acne, which I can pretty much, very much so relate to because I also had a face full of acne and it sucked big time.
I never had like a face full of acne, but I'd get like rather large individuals at times like I have this one that's kept coming back in the bridge of my nose and it's sud Okay.
Do you remember my acne?
Just not really? No?
No, no, cool, that's good.
I don't think people really look back at their childhood and they're like, hey, remember when you were in high school and you had a bunch of zits?
I know, but I actually had it so bad that I had scarring for quite a while that I was like dealing with.
But I think like that acne is just like it seems so much more detrimental as a young individual than it is when you're older.
One hundred percent. Yeah. And this, of course, though, having a faithful of acne, which is unfortunate, leads to more bullying, right yeah, fair, And things were also still broken at home. Mark and his sister didn't like each other, which isn't at all out.
Of the normal sibling rivalries yup.
But it definitely added to what Mark already had going on. Naudia publicly made fun of his acne and the fact that Mark had never had a girlfriend. Mark, this is bizarre to me, retaliated by digging and taunting Naudia with a grave he'd made just for her. Whoa, which I'm like, that is next level.
That is both a hilarious, be dark as fuck and see very cynical. And I have a feeling to really kind of foreshadow what kind of person you is.
I know, I just I can't even imagine, like I feel like growing up, if my sister had done that, I would just I would think that she literally went off the deep end.
I kind of want to like do that to my sisters now. It's like, my sister pisses me off. Next just at like three in the morning, just call her and she wakes up. What the fuck do you want? I'm like, look out your window. Oh my god, I'm just standing there with a grave Doug.
That is terrifying. That is terrifying. So obviously he threatened to kill his sister, and Naudia was removed from the home shortly after, but I don't know if it was necessarily removed because of Mark's threats, Like I'm sure that probably didn't help. Yeah, but she was also described as troubled and was placed in a home for troubled teens.
She was still having issues with authority, but also picked up a drug habit that unfortunately was something that's stuck and later in life, at the age of twenty eight, she would die from a cocaine overdose.
I'm saying, yeah, so.
That's super unfortunate. So Mark was left in the house with his mother working long hours and his sister living elsewhere. So Monique enrolled Mark in a big brother program, where Mark would spend two years with the same big brother, a man who was later detained under suspicious suspicions of molesting young boys. Oh, which I just hate because it's like he had a terrible father. Now there's like the potential for another male role model in his life and
this happens. Mark has alway always deny that anything had happened between him and his big brother, but again, who can know for sure?
Hopefully he's he's telling the truth and hopefully that is the case.
Yeah, just so sick that someone puts themselves in that position to I mean, being a big brother is like kind of a big deal, like the Big Brother's Big Sister's program, right, and then and then to go to be in that program for that like, oh, that is just so disturbing to me.
That's that's about as nasty as you get. Yeah, if I'm being honest.
Yeah, like you think that this person has a good heart, and then yeah.
No, oh wow.
When Mark was seventeen, he tried to join the Canadian forces but was rejected after his interview. His rejection letter stated that he'd been determined to be unsuitable, but Mark later went into more detail with a friend. Apparently Mark also had an issue with authority, and the interviewers had also found him to be anti social.
Okay, interesting.
Yeah, so that was the end of that career, I guess you could call it. But Mark got it together and started off on another track. He took pre university courses and got a job at the hospital that his mother worked at to start making some extra money for himself. His colleagues found him to be a bit immature, though, and hyperactive. He always seemed to be on the edge and had a nervous energy about him, and that became
even more so whenever he was around women. He apparently got very shy and awkward around them and didn't really seem to know how to talk to them. He either said nothing to them at all, which is pretty awkward, or more awkwardly, he totally overcompensated and started talking too much.
I'm literally picturing Raj from The Big Bang Theory, where he just could not talk to women unless he was drunk, and then even then he just like was way too much all the time.
Yeah, yeah, that's good. That's good. Actually a way of just thinking about it. So start telling them about how great he was and everything he accomplished his life and drunk let them get a word in edgewise. Does that still sound like him?
It sounds more like me. I have some drinks in me. Hey, everybody, I'm amazing. You want to hear all the stories about I am.
That's you not having been drinking.
Wow, thank you.
You're just confident person. There's nothing wrong with that.
I don't tell everyone how great I am when I'm sober, only when I'm drinking.
You tell me all the time. On gree you are.
Yeah, it's different.
Mark then switched degrees and started doing a technical education in electronics technology. He did great in his classes until the final term of his program, when he suddenly stopped showing up and ended up dropping out. He then moved out on his own and got his own apartment. Applying to study engineering at a Cole polytechnique, he was admitted on the condition that he took two extra classes to make up for some of the courses he was missing,
which didn't sit well with him. Things continued to not go in his favor. Fast forward one year, Mark would get fired from his job at the hospital for disrespecting his supervisors and aggressive behavior.
Well, he did say he didn't really like authorities or anything.
It was more so his sister. But I think that he also had issues with that too.
Well, you said when he was like rejected from the Canadian forces. Yeah, that was something that they said. It came to light he didn't like authorities or something.
Yeah, as like along with his sister kind of thing. But I think it was more his sister that struggled with that. But I mean just probably based on like the father they had. Yeah, that may have come from that type most likely. Yeah, Mark was furious and was going down a dark path. He later told people that he was so angry that he was going to commit a murder suicide inside the hospital hospital, but everyone just took it as him kind of like blowing off steam.
He didn't follow through on his plot, but those who knew him said that Mark became incredibly unpredictable after he was fired, and would often fly into fits of rage whenever he became frustrated.
Was something, Wow, he's showing some some signs say.
Yeah, he's derailing. Yeah big time. So by the end of nineteen eighty nine, Mark was jobless, had failed every education he'd set out to get, not necessarily like failed, but he quit right, which I guess is that failing? I don't know? And he was angry, which brings us to December sixth, nineteen eighty nine.
Oh no. You always know it's bad when a certain date and or time is mentioned. When it's like, oh, we're talking about this person's life and then here's a very specific date. You know something is going down.
And my next line a little after four pm.
See there he go, Oh, well, like shit.
So a little after four pm Mark entered a cool polytechnique campus. He sat in the office of the registrar, rummaging through a plastic bag and ignoring everyone, even the staff member who came to ask if he needed any help with anything, because like, why the fuck was he just sitting there right? But Mark? Mark was getting ready. In the bag was a Ruger Minnie fourteen rifle, rounds
of ammunition, and a hunting knife. Jeez, he'd bought all of his supplies only a month before, saying that he planned on hunting small game, but that was anything but the truth. He then left the registrar's office and started walking around the building until he entered a mechanical engineering classroom that had about sixty students in it. One student was in the was up front giving a presentation, and Mark calmly walked up to join them. He stopped the presentation,
pulled out his gun, and started giving out orders. He told all the men to line up on one side of the room and all the women on the other. Everyone initially thought it was some kind of joke because it was actually the last day of classes before exam started, so they're just thinking like someone's just doing a prank. Yeah, so no one actually listened until Mark got them to
listen by firing a warning shot into the ceiling. Out of about sixty students, only nine of them were women, and Mark ordered them to wait on one side of the room while he told the men to get out of the room. When he had them alone, Mark turned to the women and simply asked them if they knew why they were there. The women didn't answer, but one of them asked Mark who he was Instead of answering,
Mark told the women that he was fighting feminism. The women were shocked and confused and I'm sure also terrified out of their minds, but one woman actually woke up. Natalie Provost tried to calm the situation by telling Mark that he wasn't holding feminists at gunpoint. She told him that they were just women studying engineering, not feminists, but Mark disagreed with this. He opened fire, shouting you're all feminists as she as he shot at the defenseless women
in front of him. He hit all nine, killing six and wounding the other three. He killed Helene Colgan, Natalie Crattea, and Annie Saint Marinault, who were all twenty three years of age. Barbara Dignault and Anne Marie LeMay were both twenty two years old, and Sonia Pelletier twenty eight years old.
Wow, so this guy's a right dick?
Oh yeah? More so? Wow, Like it's just unfathomable to me.
To just be like, no, you are this and I am fighting that kind of self righteous pricked do you think you are? Like? Holy fuck?
Like it's so disgusting. So as the women were left wounded and dying on the classroom floor, Mark started walking around. He wrote the word shit twice on one of the students' projects before leaving the classroom and heading down the hall. As he wandered through the halls, he wounded three more students on his way to another classroom, where he burst through the door and held his gun up to another woman. He pulled the trigger, but his gun didn't go off.
He pulled it again and the same thing happened, so he actually left this classroom to reload. Once that was done, he tried to get back into it, but by then the students had locked him out. He fired three shots at the lock, but he couldn't break through, so he moved on. Whoever he was aiming to I feel like has like wow, like a believable Guardian Angel or something.
Hey, wow, no kidding For that gun to jam like that.
What did a jam? Or was he just out?
It probably would have jammed by the sound of it, Yeah, because I mean he would have known if he was out.
Yeah, so I'm not one, but still like, honestly very like Guardian Angel. But also the trauma that would still be associated with having a guy.
Draw the PTSD from that would be real, especially considering. I mean, many people would probably question like why was I the one to live?
Yeah?
Like what why did these people die? But I get to live, Not to say that it's anyone's fault, Like you should not be sitting here questioning why was I the one to get to live? But some people, like in a PTSD moment, will start thinking that way and it's it's terrible.
Yeah. Yeah, oh my goodness, Like this whole scene is just it gives me goosebumps and it makes me ill to my stomach.
Yeah. I can't blame you for that, huh.
So we headed into the school's financial services all office, where he found Maurice Leganeer, a twenty three year old budget clerk, so she wasn't a student but yet an employee. She had heard the shots and saw what was happening, so she locked the door to try to keep Mark out. Unfortunately, though the door she just locked had a window, so Mark was able to aim and shoot her through it.
Fun Maurice was a newlywed she was married for three months before her death, and her husband Jeff, had come to pick her up at the school that night and was met with the chaos. Apparently, there's like it's seen on a news footage or whatever. Him like searching the crowd or like searching the people that are coming out in stretchers.
And oh, man, that is absolutely.
I know. I know. I didn't write that in here. It's like maybe I won't say it, but came out because it's just yeah, I like, yeah, to be in that situation. Hey wow. Mark then moved to the cafeteria where about one hundred students and staff were gathered.
Oh fuck, this guy. Holy, I'm sorry, this guy he makes me mad.
Oh yeah, very much.
So.
Yeah, I mean I think his favorite word is shit. Well he's a piece of shit.
Yeah.
Without saying a word, Mark lifted his gun and shot nursing student Barbara Klusnik and wounded another before people realized what the fuck was happening and all hell broke loose. Barbara was the oldest of the victims at thirty one years old, and her story sucks. Her and her husband had moved to Montreal from Poland in nineteen eighty seven, and they believed that Canada to be like the safest place in the world, so they chose they chose it.
And she wasn't an engineering student. She was a nursing student, like I said, but apparently her and her husband were in the cafeteria cafeteria because it was like the least expensive on campus or something.
Male.
Oh, which I just I hate shit like that.
That breaks my heart.
Yeah, and it never really said, but I do think that her husband was like with her there like it from and no one. It never really said it in the reports, but you can kind of tell. So I can't like to be there witnessing that. Like Geez, people either fled the room or tried to find somewhere to hide. Two of the women who stayed were twenty one year old students, and Marie Edward, who was a chemical engineering student,
and Genevieve Bergeron, a civil engineering student. They were hiding along with two other students, one male and one female, but Mark saw them first. He shot and killed both Anne, Marie, and Genevieve before ordering the other two students to come out from under the table. They listened, and for whatever reason, Mark decided to let them live before he moved on. He then headed to the third floor, where he shot and wounded one female and two more male students before
he entered yet another classroom. As he entered the classroom, He told the men to get out as he turned to Maurice Leclair, who was at the front of the class giving a presentation without his tentation, He shot her, wounding her before moving on to the students sitting in the front row. He shot and killed twenty nine year old Maud Havnik and twenty one year old Michel Richard as they desperately tried to flee the room, with others
hiding under their desks. Mark moved through the classroom, targeting the female students. He wounded three more and then killed twenty one year old Annie Turcotte. He then reloaded and headed to the front of the class, shooting in any direction he felt like. When he got there, Maurice, who he wounded just earlier, was still alive and asking for help. So Mark pulled out his hunting knife and stabbed her three times, killing his last victim. Wow she was twenty three years old.
Wow. Yeah, Not only is this dude like absolutely blatantly sexist, but oh, I don't even know how to put into words the lack of remorse he has for human life boggles my mind. Yeah, someone's pleading for help and instead of even I'm just playing devil's advocate here because he has a gun in his hand, just ending their life with a bullet to the head, he decides he wants to revel in stabbing her to death to finish the job. That right there speaks so much about what kind of
person this guy is. We can go off and say how much of a dirt bag and piece of shit this guy is, but that right there says so much.
Yep, And the thing is too, like it was reported that he was so calm and stuff through all of this process, right like this wasn't phazing him, which is just bizarre. Like, oh my gosh. Now the really shitty thing though about Maurice here. She would later be found by her father, who was part of the Montoural Police Force.
Oh no.
He immediately recognized her sweater, which she had worn to Sunday dinner the week before, saying she had purchased it for Christmas.
Oh man, Yeah, everything about this just keeps tugging at the heartstrings.
Holy shit, I know it is so disturbing, Like.
I just like, look at my sweater, dad, I bought Oh don't I bought this for Christmas this year? Dad? Like what do you think it's Sunday dinner? Yeah, and then because of like, holy shit, scene that's painted in my head with that.
Yeah, oh okay, I feel like I'm just gonna sob here. So Mark then took off his hat, wrapped his coat around his gun, and shout it, oh shit, before he shot himself in the head. His rampage had lasted only twenty minutes from start to finish, leaving fourteen people injured, ten being women and four men, and another fourteen women dead. Holy twenty eight people.
That's wild.
And that's not even to mention all the people that are affected, not necessarily with an injury, but with like the pgs.
And stuff that we're we're talking about.
Yeah. Yeah. It became known as the Montreal massacre and sent shockwaves through Quebec, the rest of Canada, and I'm sure the world understandably.
So I'm sitting here shook right now from just hearing it. Yeah, and this is how many years later yeah ah wow.
So in the days and weeks that followed, there was widespread public debate focused on the cause of and motive for the attack. Some people felt the actions of this shooter was an isolated incident with any without any social significance, emphasizing the shooter's abuse as a child. For others, it revealed a profound angst against the place of women in society. Many suggested that the tragedy was indicative of people not supporting quality for women.
Now, I certainly think that there's probably something regarding his childhood at play. You can't sit here and tell me that it doesn't have any factor.
Oh, I mean, with many of our cases, there's always, yeah, stuff from the.
Past, whether it's like a point zero one percent factor in it or like one hundred percent factor. I don't that's completely up debate.
Of course, his dad hated women, Yeah, I know, But.
I mean that's what I mean is we don't know how much it played into factor. But he is also how old was he when he left his family left his dad too? Right?
Oh? No, I think he was a bit older than that.
But how old was he?
Oh, gosh, it happen? Was he back?
Was he a teenager at the point? No? Yeah, exactly.
He was under ten for sure.
So he probably would have been naive enough and like his mom would have raised him much better than what his father was. Clearly, so I don't think it would have had as like a huge impact. I think it would have had an impact. But I think not only was it his father impacting him, but I think there was a lot to do with who he was. Yeah, if that makes sense.
Yeah, and then I also feel like, I mean, he had issues with against feminists or whatever want to say, but that doesn't mean like that everyone as a whole did right necessarily. But I know back in the day, like they're really, there was still issues. There still is today with equality, right.
So yeah, that's true.
As people desperately tried to piece together the reason behind Mark's madness that day, some answers were found in a suicide letter that was later found I was going to read it, but then I decided, like, fuck him, Like I'm not reading his fucking letter on here. I just couldn't do.
It fair enough. You don't want to perpetuate these words.
I had it written in here, and I was just like, no, this doesn't feel right, So I'm just going to summarize it.
Power on you for that.
Hell yeah, yeah, because like, fuck him. He quoted his rejection from the military and claimed that feminists had ruined his life. He said that women were flooding the job market, making it harder for men like himself to find a job, and they were trying to have all the advantages of being a man and a woman a.
Woman, okay, Yeah.
With the letter was a list though, was set with nineteen names, nineteen women who he said would have been killed had he not run out of time and started earlier. It included the names of well known Quebec women, including a journalist, union leader, politician, TV personality, and six police officers, making it very clear marx motive for the attack. Obviously, I think we already know yet.
This is honestly akin to a child throwing a hissy fit not doing his way.
Yeah, he had an issue with basically that he couldn't get into that engineering school. But it was literally the issue was that he just needed two other courses. That's just a known thing that sometimes you have to have, like university. I can't remember what they're call it, but pre RECs or something, yeah, prerequisites yeah, to get in. Right, had he done those two courses, he would have fucking got in.
Yeah. Had he done his work like the women, yeah who did their work and got in, he would have been right there with it.
But he thought that those women were taking his place. No, but no, dude, it was just that you need to get your fucking shit together.
Those women were doing far better than he was, and he was pissed off about it. Yeah, that's what it is. He was throwing a hissy fit because he was not as good at them as them.
They were far better.
Yeah, and he had some fucking complex where he figured that they should just be lower than him, no matter what, because he's a piece of shit.
Yeah. The incident led to more strict gun control laws in Canada and increased action to end violence against women. It also resulted in changes in emergency or services protocols and shootings, because I mean, I don't know if they had dealt with a lot of this, So there were like a few issues where people kind of thought the police should enter far quicker than they did. So I'm and it did. They changed protocols, and I know in
future shootings it was helpful. And then the reason why I did this case is because tomorrow marks the thirty fourth anniversary of the attack. Oh really, December sixth is a recognized day of remembrance in Canada, declared to be a National Day of Remembrance and Action on Violence against Women.
I've never heard of this day, see, and I think, I mean, I'm sure probably in passing saw it on the news.
The reasoning I have is because I used to work at a university, right, and then I know every day, like December sixth, there would be some sort of ceremony if you call it. And the other thing is lots of times men and women I think too, can wear a white ribbon and it's just sort of okay, it can also be a white ribbon day or whatever, and it's just kind of like they're they're, you know, standing against violence against women as well.
Gotcha. Yeah. See, I've worked in a dominantly male dominated environment and a sawmill for the last sixteen years, so I rarely even had female coworkers. So yeah, it's not something we really talked about, I guess.
Yeah, so I know it does seem I think the only reason I really know about it is from working on a university and we recognized it.
So glad to know about it now, though, Like I.
Wow, yeah, like that is it's just researching that is just gut wrenching, because I mean it was quite a while ago, but it still happens constantly, the shootings and stuff in schools or like religious places, and yeah, I just it's so hard to even fathom that we have that sort of thing happening.
It's well, and how often these shootings occur too, Yeah, yeah, it blows my mind. And it's so sad, so sad. Yeah, even if you look like if you scroll on TikTok or Instagram, I bet you you're gonna within the hour run into a reel on like school safety with shootings. H Like, I've seen videos on how to lock a door with a chair and like what to do in the event of and backpacks that are made of kevlar and shit like just to protect you from running away.
It's like, I can't believe kids have to worry about this, I.
Know, and I don't necessarily think when we were in school that we had any sort of drills like that. It was always like earthquake, which we never get earthquakes and Prince George really they're very minor, so it's a bit odd.
Well, i mean, I'm sure we one day made.
But I'm wondering now in schools if that's changed, and they're they're also prepared for like much worse things happening potentially.
I can imagine they are.
So Yeah, one of them, I was just gonna say, you just look just drained.
I am dreamed. That dreamed me big time.
Yeah, you look like you need to go to bed.
Usually I'm ready and prepared with a heavy episode like this because I'm drinking with already. You didn't warn me, and I didn't have a whiskey, So now I'm screwed and I mean to pour a whiskey after this.
Well, two more things I'll just say they're not in my notes, but one of the links below lists it has like a picture of each of the fourteen people that were fourteen women that were killed, and then you can click on their picture and like learn a little bit more about them. And there were other victims though too, because of course there were students later that had killed them or committed suicide. I think a father had committed suicide.
Oh no, So, I mean we talked about the day and the victims from the day, but there are just so many more afterwards.
Yeah, the chain of the events goes a lot farther. He affected so many more people's lives. I can only imagine how many.
Yeah, wow. Well, I mean, look at how many people lost children that day, lost spouses.
Well, you literally have the primary victims who lost their life, then you have those injured, Then you have those who were around them witnesses, and then you have first responders, and you have the family, and you have even the news people who were there taking photos or the cameraman who was seeing these body after body come out of this school, or someone who was like I was attending that school next semester and I like that could have been me, yeah, or someone who lives just down the street,
or someone who just worked with this guy, or the dude who even sold them the gun.
Yeah, Like the list goes on. There was actually one. There was a photo too. It was just like unbelievable. I won't be posting it, but it was this photo that a reporter I think, like got lifted up and like shot into the cafeteria and was like award winning photo because there is a woman who was killed slumped in a chair and then like an a taking down a Christmas decoration behind her. Oh wow, And so the
loved ones like this got published and stuff. So the loved ones saw this, which is just oh my gosh.
That is quite the image.
Holy yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, it's just so uncomfor It's so uncomfortable. Some of these cases are so uncomfortable.
They truly are. And I can't imagine getting in the mind of some of the people who commit these crimes. Yeah, it baffles me what drives them to really go this far because for me, I'm like, I don't know, I feel bad if I accidentally step on my dog's paw and I'm like, I'm so sorry, I'm the worst person in the world. And then it's like someone just can so coldly take people's lives, like what the fuck?
Yeah, I mean these were all like beautiful and tell legend a lot of them were just about to graduate, like yeah, you know, starting.
The lives they could have led.
Yeah. Yeah. When everyone talked about that, jeez.
Wow, Well, good job on the episode in the research, babe. That was that was that was heavy.
It was It's a it's a heavy one for sure, it is. Yeah.
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