Amanda Todd - Cyber Bullying

Nowadays, it's pretty much common knowledge that chatting online to strangers around the world has its risks. Who are these people on the other side of the internet, Are they who they say they are? And do they have access to our information? These ideas of caution have come much more in the front of our minds when online in only the past ten years, and a big part of it is because of today's case. Today we talk about the young teen girl named Amanda Todd who is cyber

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Okay, Well, I think it's to start off, it's pretty difficult for us to imagine that most people, and most parents for that matter, were so casual about letting their their children talk to random strangers online, whether it was chat rooms, you know, on early social media sites and that sort of stuff. I mean, especially because it really

Yeah, they very much so know. We know a lot more now, but.

Even still, it's just the tip of the iceberg.

It is.

So the harsh reality of the Internet is almost nothing is sacred. Almost nothing is safe and that is something that Amanda Todd and her family found out in some of the harshest ways possible.

Okay, that's a very scary place.

Yeah, I needless to say.

I think we've mentioned this before, but honestly, sometimes I feel like it was just easier not having it. I mean, it is easier having it, but it's not easier having it.

Flip side of the coin, right, Yan and Yang. Yeah, there's good and evil. One cannot exist without the other. Light and dark, right yep. So yeah, today we're talking about Amanda Todd. Now a Manda Todd was born in nineteen ninety six and in twenty twelve, when a story really came to light, she would be fifteen years old. She was a Canadian girl from Port Coquitlam for British Columbia, hailing from our hometown province.

We know how to say Port Coquitlam.

We do. We listened to other podcasts in the past where they talk about Pork Coquitlam and other places around British Columbia and they slaughter it right rightfully. So yeah, but we've been around. We've even been to Pork Coquitlam.

So yeah, we know how to pronounce the cities in our province.

We do. That's about it. Anything beyond that, we're screwed. So anyways, her parents had, unfortunately, like many others before her, divorced. They divorced a few years back, and it was about when she was about ten years old. She had decided that she was going to be moving in with her father. So things weren't that strained between the households as her parents managed to create a good co parenting relationship and Amanda still was in regular contact with her mother even

And he's Canadian as well.

He is Canadian as well. Yeah, so she did all this by means of a webcam, a webcam that her father had bought her. Now, this webcam was a bit of contention. It was a bit of an issue between her parents. Her mom said that there was no reason that a kid would need a webcam, and by this time she was about twelve years old. Okay, but her father, as I mentioned, wanted her to follow her dreams, so he decided he was going to get her one.

See I kind of agree with the mom there, But then the dad's reasoning is makes so much sense too, Like he's giving her an opportunity. She wants to be the next Justin Bieber and he probably believes that she can be that as well.

Yeah, one hundred percent. So there again the flip side of the coin. One cannot exist without the other. Right, these are two very opposite opinions. Neither one is right and neither one is wrong. They both just come with different results.

Yeah.

So, so, though he did his best to monitor her online activities to ensure she was being responsible, he couldn't keep up with everything. Right now, The internet, though, is always isn't always the kindest place you can have amazing talent, and even still you can find negative reviews and feedback from what we call nowadays the trolls. Right now, Amanda's voice was sorry. Her videos were no exception. Even though she did have a rather nice singing voice, though still

Because honestly, if you didn't like her video, like, you're not forced to being watch to watch it.

Yeah, no one asked for your fucking opinion.

Yeah, Like, you're literally not forced. You can just move on to the next video that you like and that's that.

Yeah, And there's nothing wrong with constructive criticism. There's nothing wrong with you know, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. Like, there's a lot of other options other than being a dick. Yeah, you know, you don't have to be an asshole because you.

Can say things, as you said constructive careers, and you can say things kindly, oh yeah, without being a dick. But then most times people are there's just they're just being dicks.

Well, and you can say like like, I'm not I'm going to say something a little constructive about singing. I don't know shit about singing, and I'm not basing this off a man todd skills. Just for the record, I'm just completely random pulling this out of the air. So you could say something after watching someone's singing videos where you can see they need to improve on something, but you could be like, oh my god, that was such an awesome job. I love your rendition of this song.

Yeah, that's literally giving them advice of how they can potentially move forward and closer to their dreams.

Yeah, you're giving them your opinion. You're being positive, You're helping them. That's how you That's how you can be positive and make an impact on someone's life and not be a total fucking douche.

Canoe, you know exactly.

So I'm sure she was getting some of that too though, mind you, but occasionally that negativity would hit home. And remember she was still only a child at the time of all this was cool.

Yeah, that's that's young. That's hard. It's hard to swallow at any age. But when you're a kid, I think it's a little worse.

Oh yeah, it definitely gets you even more, especially if you do start getting these comments from people who are older. Yeah, so negatively, negativity can have a huge impact on a person, let alone someone young like Commanda, and Amanda was pretty much left on her own when it came to the Internet, even dealing with these sort of negative comments. Her parents didn't really understand what it was that she was doing.

The nice thing now, I guess is a lot of the parents nowadays they do understand it.

Right well, a lot of parents nowadays were in those chat rooms.

At this time exactly so, And then back then, like their parents had no They were learning it as well, and like the kids knew.

It more so right, there was nothing to base their information off of them. Exactly the information they got was from their kids. So it's a whole new world for everyone and everyone's trying to navigate. So as much as their parents did try and do the right thing, they had no idea on the sort of dangers that Amanda would soon be faced with in the online chat rooms. While online, she would eventually come across a user, a young man who went by the name of Tyler Boo.

That's a lot.

That is a significo. Yes it is, so there's this many people watching her. When Tyler made the request in the.

Chat, oh please say, she just like didn't I see? Okay, I know a little bit about the story, but not the fine details. So what did she do?

Well, Amanda wasn't wasn't up for it.

Good, thank you.

But eventually she took some convincing and after a long stream of compliments and kind words from Tyler's and others in the chat, she agreed and she flashed her chest on the webcam mounted on her computer monitor. Remember at this time, she's probably about twelve years old.

Like bear chest or like chest and a bra or.

What no bear chest? Yes? Okay, And in that moment, that was that, in that instance, in that instant, man and his life would be changed forever and a dark downward spiral would begin.

Oh my gosh, okay, so like one little mistake.

Basically yeah. The chat slowly died out, and Amanda moved on with her life, probably forgetting about the whole thing that had ever even happened. But the young man on the other end of the chat didn't because he had a few mementos to remember. The whole experienced.

Boy he screenshotted it, right.

Yeah. Well, at this time, like I said, Amanda was only around about twelve years old. And Tyler began messaging her about a year later.

A year fucking later, yeah, okay.

Only this time the messages weren't so smooth. He showed Amanda that he had taken pictures of her from that moment when she had flashed her chest a year prior.

Yeah, and he.

Began to threaten to send the photo to everyone. She knew what he was requesting was she had to do three fifteen minute private shows for him on webcam.

Oh my gosh.

If he did this. Oh, if she did this, he would not send the photo out and he would leave her alone forever.

This guy is a mofo. Oh my gosh.

But if she didn't do this, he would follow through with his threat and send the photo out.

See. This is just so terrible. It's so terrible because as an adult, like say, so, I'm like I'm thirty four, Like I'm quite an adult if something like that was happening, like you would just be like go fuck yourself, like who the fuckres kind of thing. But then this thirteen year old in her mind and she's thinking about what all her friends and like her peers and then her parents, yep, are gonna think like she. Honestly, at that age, I think you would think that there's there's nowhere to go.

Well, even at this age, think of it this way. We all have professions, we have our job, we have our friends, we have our families, we have colleagues, a reputation, reputation. Yeah, imagine this individual is holding this photo above you and says, I'll send it to your boss, your coworkers, the people you go to the gym with, your family, your friends, when you go see them on Christmas, They'll all have this image in their mind. What would you do?

But see now, I think it'd be more acceptable in the sense now days ago, I don't think would super care. And then you could just say your story like well I had to, this is what the alternative was, and then they'd be like, yeah, let's see that photo, Like that's way better than you having to give this freaking nasty motherfucker private show.

Yeah, that's fair, that's totally fair.

I think anyone nowadays would choose that they would just see that photo over you doing the other thing.

Oh, I agree, But there's still repercussions that come with it. Oh yeah, your boss sees that image. What are they going to think of you? Now? What sort of reputation will you get that raise? What will the people in the lunch youon be saying when you're not there? You know, all those questions in the back of your mind.

They talk your back because.

There is that perception that's going to come along with it. Now. Amanda, rightfully so was terrified and didn't know what to do, but she knew she wasn't about to provide these requests of private shows, and she refused. Okay, this tyler was

What a creepy pay Yes, this guy's a fucking monster.

The picture ended up being passed back and forth between so many individuals and so quickly. It was so widespread and distributed online that police showed up at Amanda's home at four am to warn her father. What was going on and make sure that he was aware of what his daughter was doing online. But unfortunately that's about all the police did.

Now.

I mean, if this happened today, I think the situation would have been handled totally different, especially by the adults. To be fair, I also think that most children and teens would be much more sympathetic towards Amanda's situation. Maybe not totally. There are always people, you know, taking things too far and harassing others, but I think most people would understand that Amanda was a victim, just kind of

Ago because they're basically just warn't warning the father what she's doing. They're not trying to look for this little what is his name?

Even his name Tyler bou was the website name he was going.

By, not even trying to find him to correct.

So to put it in perspective, if you have a predator at a playground and your child is the target of this, you tell the child don't go to the playground anymore, stay away from there, right, But you should probably be searching for the predator, wouldn't you think.

Well, yeah, because I'm thinking this person is probably a lot older than Amanda as well.

Yeah, so that's all that was done, was, hey, stay off the internet, stay away. That's it. Not enough, no, And to be fair though, to be fair, it's not like her parents could do much other than that, and other than request police action. But the police unfortunately were very little involved me I mean.

To them, I guess too. This is a new thing, right, maybe there isn't really necessarily consequences at this time for stuff like that, not so much.

And I mean, police weren't really interested in chasing up a person who'd done this either. It's just kind of like whatever, it's an online thing.

And they didn't have the means either. They didn't have the means finding him.

They didn't have the knowledge. Just like it was a new new world for Amanda and her parents to explore.

Same with authorities, like nowadays, they'd find the little geek right away.

Oh yeah, they have processes and procedures and things that they follow and do and connections and people to talk to. Back then, not so much. Not that it's an excuse for authorities to sit back and twiddle their thumbs. Mind you no, but it's a lot easier today now. Instead, what they did, like I said, just recommend you stay away from the sites and left her and her family to get on with their own way. Now, Amanda, rightfully so,

Just felt so alone.

One hundred percent.

Oh man, this is brutal.

Now, though she was alone and terrified, on the surface, she kept her chin held high and pretended like she was okay. Even still, things were not improving, So her parents decided the best thing to do was pull her out of this school and enroll her in a new one.

I think that's a good idea.

Definitely a good call. I got to take a sip here on my throat's getting scratchy. Hold on, you're.

Always having that issue these past few podcasts.

I feel like I think it's like the dry winter air that's getting me.

Oh okay, that could be actually.

Getting old in the winter air. It's hurting my joints in my throats. Oh my god, I'm an old man. It's going to be me in five years. I guarantee it. It's you. Now tooche you're not wrong. So anyways, they pulled her out of the school and they enrolled her in a new one, hoping that it would help her meet new people who hadn't seen this picture and kind of start fresh.

But a new school in the same town. I'm assuming I.

Didn't look up exactly which new school. I'm pretty sure it was a new school in the same town, because.

You'd almost have to move her to another city. I feel like fair enough.

Yeah, Now, I do know a little bit of foreshadowing, I guess by saying this, But I do know she does move to another city later.

Oh okay, okay, So.

This did work, and Amanda took a break from the internet as well. She really had a possibility for a fresh start. People didn't know who she was. Even though her picture was still out there. She wasn't going on places where she could read these messages about the image and people were posting about it, so she stayed away from that. She was at her new school. Things were looking up, but Amanda's old life would soon catch up with her, and the new life that Amanda was building

One of these negative things she found negative stuff.

Yeah, and Amanda's on there for a couple hours a day, so that that's a lot of time to dig into this information again, right, So, oh, it's.

Too bad that she felt like she needed to go do that. I mean, I can understand, yeah, and not just that, but things got worse when Amanda came across a Facebook profile.

And the profile picture was of her topless.

Wow, seriously, yes, probably by that freaking I don't even know his name again, But that's fine. I'm fine not remembering his shitty name.

She was horrified when she ran across this. Yeah, and it got even worse when whoever it was who created this account started adding all of the people in her new school time her friends.

Like, gosh, what the actual fuck? Yep, Like this is like a year later. Yep, what is the point of this. I'm freaking angry.

Yeah, you should be.

This is brutal. Does this person not have anything better to do with their freaking time?

Apparently not? Okay, And as a result of that, the exact same thing happened again, and Amanda was facing all the horrible comments online and all all the kids who had once been her friend turning on her all over again.

Wow. I'm sorry, but that's unbelievable. That's unbelievable.

So, with her past experience still fresh in her mind and seeing the writing on the wall, her and her parents decided that they weren't going to wait around for the situation to get any worse, and they moved her to a different school again. Now, Amanda had a much harder time settling in and making friends this time around, especially because she had the past two experiences fresh in the back of her mind and she was on edge

Please tell me that this is legit.

Well, and that's the thing. She was questioning this right off the get go. Was this another trick or was this kid exactly who he said he was? Well, he was, luckily enough, exactly who he said he was. He was someone that she previously knew. But that didn't really make things that he said any less confusing, because Amanda knew that he had a girlfriend and they were still going

Well, I mean, because this is exactly what she needs in someone who's kind of sticking.

Out for her in kind and nice.

Yeah yeah, but not if he sucks as well.

Yeah, so that's the thing. He's got some red flags, but he's being super nice, right.

Yeah.

So there was one day when this boy's girlfriend was on a holiday. She agreed to go over to his house, and the two young teenagers did what young teenagers would do when they have a house together for themselves.

Oh my gosh, I feel like this is not going to end well.

Well, things quickly derailed when the girlfriend came back from holiday and found out that her boyfriend had cheated on her with Amanda. Okay, now, instead of getting angry with her boyfriend, the girlfriend and about fifteen other students from Amanda's old school ganged up on Amanda to beat her up.

Wow, and literally, he was the one that was lying piece of shit. Yep, because she thought they were on a break.

Yep.

Oh that is okay, just teenagers. This is too much sometimes, Like I don't miss that stage at all.

Yeah. So we're going to go into a little bit more detail on that a little bit later in Amanda's own words. For now, I'm just going to end it on that. But after being beat up by these girls, Amanda ended up in a ditch and having to wait until her father would come and pick her up. Oh and then Amanda more than understandably hit rock bottom. She had so much emotion, so much going on, she didn't know what to do. She thought she didn't belong in

Oh my gosh. Oh, I don't even know what to say. Like to just feel like you have to.

Do that is so sad, to feel like you're pushed to that point.

Yep. Yeah.

Now, thankfully she was rushed to the hospital where her stomach was pumped and she was saved, but the mental scars were still so very much there, not knowing what else to do, her parents moved her to a new city in twenty twelve, hoping that this would finally be the fresh start that Amanda needed. But another old face popped up again in her social circles, only he wasn't the easy to spot from a far kind of face

This guy won't let her just move on and live her life. What is his freaking deal?

I don't know.

Do we get to find out who the fuck this person is?

You're gonna have to keep listening.

Holy shit, Okay, you're good, Yeah, but I'm just not enjoying this. Actually, it's making me quite mad.

This is a very aggravating and angry case.

Yes, because it's just not it's unnecessary. It's so unnecessary.

Yes, And that is the problem with this case. Everything about it is so unnecessary, and Amanda suffered incredible amounts because of it. Where was I?

And sorry, I'm just gonna say one more thing while you figure out your spot. Her poor parents. I feel like they're probably grasping at straws, trying to do everything thing they can to give her like the childhood that she should have and deserves, and it's just like they just can't. They're not winning. It's ugh.

Yeah. So this was obviously that Tyler bou guy. And he wasn't, like a I said, trying to meet new people in the school he was going to be attending. What he was actually doing was worming his way into Amanda's social circles on social media. When he had enough contact information for all her new friends, fellow students, teachers, he did an all too familiar picture spreading thing all

Oh my gosh.

In one of the comments, she replied said this, it's finally nice to see people care. My family and my mom are the ones trying to stay strong. I booked November twenty eighth to get my stay Strong tattoo on my wrist so I can look at it and stop myself. People now call me crazy, but I'm I'm just going to keep my head up. Love and cheers Amanda.

See that's incredible, Like this they get show some she has some strength.

One hundred percent, and for that alone, she is our badass at the day.

Because I mean, I've already said it, but it's just so unnecessary how long this went on for and and what's the point, Like it just it like costs nothing to be kind, and it's like those people were going out of their way to just be complete assholes for no reason, and things that they should have even forgotten about or shouldn't have even mattered to them.

Yeah, and now I don't want to sit here and point fingers at these kids, because that's what they are. There are a lot of these individuals online who are bullying her are kids. They don't understand the consequences of

Oh my gosh, And how long after, like did this happen after she put her video up? Do you do you have when she had put her video up?

Yeah, that was September seventh, really and she was found October tenth.

Oh and so like people were responding and being kind and stuff, but she just had I guess these demons just that were never going to go away.

Hey, yeah, way too many demons, especially for someone so young to be dealing.

Oh my gosh, I mean this could just make me literally like sob sob.

Yeah, I think sorry, my phone's listening to us again. Likes to do that when we're recording. I think the FBI is listening.

Creepy. Yeah.

Anyways, Amanda's story brought the concept of cyberbullying into homes of the average person, making it a very hot topic and pointing out the flaws in legislation and law enforcement policies that had failed to keep up with the way the Internet had been developing. But what it didn't do was get anyone in any official capacity looking for the person who'd followed Amanda online for years and make sure

Okay, thank you. So these are just some like what would you call them, like vigilante people? Is that what the term would be?

Yeah, you've never heard of anonymous?

Okay? Okay, aye, Sorry I didn't even clue in there. So this is who went after this person? Correct, No authorities or anyone, just these people.

To start with.

Okay, okay.

Now, the group anonymous came up short of identifying the individual a couple times, even unfortunately dosing the wrong people. Before their story got enough traction, Facebook actually decides to launch their own investigation.

Oh wow.

A Facebook security team traced back the fake profile IP addresses because they were multiple being used, right right, Yeah, they all trace back to a single IP address in the Netherlands.

Shit, who is this? Do we know who this person is?

I'm sure you'll have to keep listening. Oh for frick sake, I'm surprised you haven't heard anything about more on this case. I would have known a lot more.

I know I probably should, especially considering it so close to home, but I really don't for some reason.

Well, they managed to track it to the Netherlands, and they reported their findings to both the Canadian and Dutch authorities, which is kind of when authorities starts stepping in, and one of them took it quite seriously. The Dutch government followed a tip and went to the home of the Dutch Turkish citizen named Aiden Cooben. Once there they had a look into Aiden's online activity. They knew they had stumbled across something incredibly serious.

Because he was probably doing this to other people. I'm assuming.

They found evidence that Aiden was the one responsible for what had happened to Amanda tadd And amongst the lists of the aliases they found Tyler Boo amongst them.

What a piece of shit.

Not only that, but there was proof that he had done the exact same thing he'd done to Amanda to thirty nine other people thirty nine thirty nine. And this is only the proof.

Is this person, like, Okay, I need to know more information about him. I have a lot of questions at all this.

Wait, some of them were young girls and others were actually grown men as well. Really, now he had this whole thing down to an art. Aiden will get his victims into a compromising situation, then blackmail them into doing whatever he wanted them to do. Sometimes this meant just sending pictures or camshow. Other times it was sending money to ensure that he wouldn't be releasing these compromising pictures.

This guy ruining reputations, digusting.

Yeah, he is.

Like, I'm just envisioning this like person that's just like in his fucking parents' basement doing weird ass shit? Is that right? Or is he like living in his own house and shit?

I did his little research on this scumbag as I had to, so I didn't look into it. Let's put it that way.

Okay, Well, I'm just going to keep envisioning what I'm envisioning because like, yeah, yeah.

Well, Aiden was arrested in charge with over seventy two charges of sexual assault and.

Fraud, thank goodness, all of.

Which he pleaded not guilty too when in court. Idiot, But by then the world was watching and Aiden had left a literal trail of digital evidence behind him. Yep, he was found guilty and sentenced to ten years and eight months for all his charges. Not enough, but none of his charges had anything to do with Amanda Todd and there was a very good reason for.

That, Okay.

Rumors started spreading in twenty nineteen. Rumors started spreading in twenty nineteen that the Canadian government was up to something, and it had everything to do with Aiden Coban. There was talk about him being extradited so he could face charges related to Amanda Todd on Canadian soil. Wow, okay, and those rumors proved to be true. Nice and Aiden was taken to Canadian court on June of twenty twenty two.

Seriously, Okay, why shit have I not heard more about this? Like I don't know where the fuck? Where the fuck have I been?

I don't know you should have.

This is almost embarrassing, yeah, a little bit, Okay, okay, because this is like literally like I'm like, what youared? Is it? It's twenty twenty two? Like what the fuck? I don't even like what?

Okay, sorry, this happened six months ago.

Yeah, I'm actually flabberg acid right now.

Well, somehow, even with his past convictions, Aiden was full of confidence and claimed that he wasn't guilty of these charges against Amanda Talm.

Oh my gosh, I'm so disgusted by this human being like he is. I can only imagine what shit's being said about him online and stuff too. Oh yeah, like he's getting it tenfold.

Oh yeah, guarantee it.

And he's and he deserves it.

He's the lowest of low. He has fucking scummed this guy.

Yeah.

So these charges were possession of child pornography, extortion, criminal harassment, and communication with a young person to commit a sexual offense.

Those are some big, big ones.

Aiden was found guilty on all charges.

Good. I also feel like something in there about like like secondary murder or some sort of other murder should be in there, to be honest, But okay, I.

Mean potentially there could be something like that in there. But I would imagine that trying for certain charges rather than the extreme ones might ensure his.

Conviction, you know right, I guess yeah, because.

Now you're trying to prove murder rather than like the child pornography, extortion and the harassment, and you know.

Right, the things that they know they can like definitely get.

Yeah. So, the jury recommended a sentence of twelve years for his crimes, and the judge gave him more, added an extra year to his sentence to a total of thirteen, saying they added the extra year because Aiden had shown no remorse for his actions and had ultimately ended a young girl's life.

I think it should be way more than that because this friggin little uh is going to get out of jail and just do it again.

Yeah, but I mean total, he's going to be serving twenty three years.

Oh oh, okay, so it's on top of the other one.

As far as I'm aware, I should clarify, I didn't actually look into that. I'm assuming it's on top.

And you don't know how old he is. Ah.

No, I didn't look up his age. I didn't, Like I said, I looked up as little information of him.

As possible, hoping that he's like an eighty year old man that was living in his parents.

No, he looks like he's like in his forties right now.

Okay, Like I just want him to be like in there for the rest of his life is all I'm after here.

No, he'll probably eventually get out unless something happens to him inside. Who knows. We can cross our fingers on that. Maybe.

Wow.

So that is the case of Amanda Todd, the girl who went through absolute hell for pretty much three.

Years, no reason whatsoever, all because she.

Made a split, one second mistake.

Tiny mistake really yeah, Like, I mean, okay, it was a really shitty mistake. Like it sucked that she is.

Not even a really shitty mistake. It's a mistake that so many people.

Yeah, it is very like innocent of her to make this. You would never have thought the consequences would be to this extent. No, And I'm sorry about all the people involved in this too, like the other kids and stuff like. I hope that they realize what the fuck they did.

Oh, I really hope that every single one of those kids thinks about Amanda Todd every day of the rest of their life and realize that they had a very big part of her passing.

Yeah, because I mean, yeah, this was twenty twelve, but I mean it's it's still not realize it's twenty twenty two now, and like this shit's still happening.

Yeah, it is.

People are so cruel. They give people no chances whatsoever, and they're just like like they just need to mind their own business.

Happening time and like, in all honesty, this happens to so many people, not just kids, not just adults, not just like targeted, but it happens consistently that we've had it near what Amanda's had it too. Don't get me wrong here, but we've had an individual sending very ignorant remarks to us about our podcast just kind of harassing us. Not consistently, but it has happened, and it's why.

It's just they're hiding behind the keyboard. It's almost like because it's not face to face or there's so many ways nowadays that you can have interaction with people that isn't face to face. Yeah, that it's like it's justified to them. Yeah, there's no, it doesn't matter. But it's like these there's people are real and they're still going to be reading that.

Yeah, but they don't think they It gives them a high of power because they can just do that and ignore it. Yeah, and just be like, haha, I told this person they suck or whatever their comments would be. And then it's like that has a significant impact on someone's day. But why so you can feel a little bit of a hit of dopamine for five seconds? Yeah, Like that's low. That is absolutely low, And to show that what sort of impact it can have. Amanda's not here anymore because of people like that.

Like she was sixteen, right, she had this whole life she had, Like I mean, I got to listen to it, but like you said, a beautiful voice.

I think she was fifteen actually, if I'm not mistaken, okay.

Like still, that is just too young. Oh and just to think that she had good to go through all of that and just like this few years she had on this planet like brut Yeah.

So I did want to say that we're not going to be putting any research links in the description of this episode where the research section is. All I'm going to put in this time is Amanda's video on YouTube where you can go and watch what she had to say. And I'm also going to put in a helpline for anyone who might be having any suicidal thoughts, So go check that out. If you need someone to talk to, please give them a call.

So yeah, and yeah, like.

I said, officially named being mad to toat the Badass of the day.

Absolutely.

So with that, thank you for listening. We appreciate you being here. Go check out those those links for Amanda there and get yourself some help if you need.

And until next time, stay wicked.